[FR]One night, two MEs.

June 5, 2015
7 upvotes

Just came back from a very interesting night out.
Background : 21 year old, former complete beta. I've been redpilled by you guys 7 months ago. Three weeks ago, I moved to a 40,000hab city where I knew NOBODY. I did this to step out of my comfort zone and become more of a man (also I like the countryside).
10:30pm I leave my house after watching some Bill Burr to put me on a good mood. I've quit driking, but I'm going to a cool bar(pretty much the only good one in town). Talked to every cool guy and flirted with all the girls I wanted. I'm still a beginner in social environments, but this was clearly my ZONE. It felt like I could pick from several 8's+ to take home.
Then I got into some arguement with a fucking feminist : she is saying that women and men are exactly the same, including physical strenght. I could have shut my mouth and left, but decided to rant about how stupid she was. No big fight, I went to talk to someone else and forgot it. As it's already 01:30am, time to work on which bitch I'ma take home. Then every time I '2nd approach' some girl I've talked to before, I go full needy and they clearly despise me. I'm not embarassed to just go and talk to every chick, so I burned all the bridges I could in the next hour. At some point I went for a walk around the block and remembered some Burr's jokes, which put me on a happy mood for a while (and I got better for at least 30 minutes). Then again, later, my game goes to the toilet. Ended up rejected even by a 6 that I had 99% sure I could fuck by snapping my fingers.

These girls that despised me on the ''2nd approach'' were all giving major IOIs earlier, I am NOT misreading the situation. I showed up 2 different versions of me on the same night.
So, possible explanations for this? -the arguement certainly took me off the zone, but to which extent? -Did I get 'burnout' of gaming the chicks? -Should I keep doing the same I did today? (as for improving myself. I don't give a shit if these girls will remember me as an idiot or whatever). Should I make shorter 'nights out'? -Of course arguing with a feminist is stupid and pointless, but next time should I avoid it 100% or should I focus on holding my frame better?

I know formatting is shit. Thanks for everything, TRP. Please help me giving the next step!

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Title [FR]One night, two MEs.
Author RICCIedm
Upvotes 7
Comments 11
Date June 5, 2015 5:39 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]RedditArgument3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Mistakes you made:

1) Arguing anything. No one wins an argument like that. EVER. It has jack shit to do with your frame. In the future respectfully disagree and move on.

2) Not escalating with girls showing IOIs. Why were you bouncing from chick to chick? You went from mysterious new guy to PUA creep. Especially in a small town.

3) Unless you're an ex alcoholic have a drink in your hand. Picking up drunker than you girls is once again a good way to get labeled a creep.

4) Don't ask me how I can tell but from your writing style I get the impression that you're one of those guys who needs to take it down a notch. Calm yourself, practice meditation, stoicism will get you places. I may be wrong on this point, judge for yourself obviously.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

2) I actually really enjoy bouncing around and talking to everyone, but guess it's really a creepy thing to do. In the past I've heard girls say 'I can't makeout here or everyone will be talking about it blablabla, but I see that if I come out as alpha they'll want to be seen making out with me, so I'll definitelly try to go for the kill earlier next time!
3)I've had problems with alcohol and now I just go 0 drinks. Pretty sad that being sober can label you a creep. I don't go specifically for the drunk girls, but everyone is a degen on these places so...
4)I had just came home very insecure and agitated, but the fact I got to that state indeed means I need to meditate more.

[–]yourredneckfriend3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The drink you carry around does not necessarily have to contain any alcohol. Grab a Coke, ginger ale, water.... No one will know the difference.

[–]RedditArgument0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Talking to everyone really isn't a problem, in fact I'd encourage introducing yourself to people (mostly guys and anyone you expect you might see often.) The problem is doing a hit on a girl... leave... hit on a girl... leave... hit on a girl... routine. Not saying you're doing this exactly but it doesn't give the impression of social butterfly to the onlooker, it gives the impression of rejection which is obviously not good. Unless your SMV is well above hers people are going to assume she did the rejecting regardless of the truth.

Like /u/yourredneckfriend said doesn't have to be a real alcoholic drink. Jack and coke looks identical to just coke so long as there's no sharing.

Good introspection is healthy obviously, good on you for that.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, I thought I were passing as super cool and extroverted but to the outsiders it probably looks like rejection, as you said. I even noticed friends acting 'pitiful' to me as if I weren't having fun.
I disagree on the drink thing, though. -money, -health, -time (waiting in line)
I will definitelly go for closes next time.

[–]JackGoldsteinWrites3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why didn't you close immediately? (First approach). ALWAYS BE CLOSING.

Why take a side trip to argue with a girl - whose opinions are you are completely unlikely to change, and even if you could, you would gain little to nothing out of it? WHAT'S IN IT FOR YOU?

Remember - when interacting with others: What's in it for me? - when interacting with women you want to fuck: always be closing.

The only reason to not close is because YOU don't want to fuck her.

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are 100% correct and I'll adjust properly. Thanks!

[–]Endorsed Contributorstickfiguresk0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What advised you to do multiple approaches on the same women?

[–]RICCIedm[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I ment starting to talk/flirt with them again after a previous enjoyable cold approach.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstickfiguresk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The frame is completely different a second time around. This is just speculation, but I'd say they probably saw it as hesitation/weakness/beta behavior by not going in for the kill earlier.

That's probably what killed it. On top of B girl seeing A girl reject you, then C, D, E...

[–]Endorsed Contributorfnordsnord0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Never approach the same woman on the same night.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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