I think that there we can all agree here that women are essentially hypergamous - not just as red-pillers but also for those of us who see ourselves as Good Men (men with genuinely virtuous and desirable traits as compared with Nice GuysTM) who got left behind in dating. For these men, I have addressed this post which is dedicated to a need to fully address the subject of female hypergamy. For example, looking at my own post history, in the topics, "Isn't Attractiveness/Desirability Subjective?" and "So what traits can be seen as attractive/desirable?" I am trying to address these subjects as these are common criticisms of my community (for genuinely good men - monogamous or non-monogamous - with attractive, virtuous and desirable traits who can still fall short in the dating world). However, as things stand, the position I have stated is not very convincing as it is somewhat under-resourced.

Basically what I am trying to show is that Good Men in the same social league as women - as covered by the traits in the section for "So what traits can be seen as attractive/desirable?" - can indeed get rejected and fall behind in dating during their twenties. Eventually I want to touch on the topic of disenfranchisement for post-wall Good Men who have been rejected and what their struggles/feelings are, especially towards the post-wall Good Women who pose the Big Question - "where have all the good men gone".

I mention this here because I think these are important subjects for us to discuss, since feminists seem to want to derail our arguments by arguing either that

  1. Good Men are "punching above their league"
  2. or that when we refute this by saying we have the attractive/desirable qualities to justifiably be courting women in the social leagues that we already are, it is retorted that "attraction is ultimately subjective", therefore we are not ones to say what league we are belong to in the first place

This leads to the Big Question, because then when women in the same social leagues as men are rejecting us and using the two justifications mentioned above, it can indeed lead to the kind of disenfranchisement I mentioned in the earlier paragraph (where post-wall Good Men who have been rejected and what their struggles/feelings are, especially towards the post-wall women who pose the Big Question).

This is the reason for why I think it is important for us as a community to address those concerns and I want to do this myself in the topics in the topics, "Isn't Attractiveness/Desirability Subjective?" and "So what traits can be seen as attractive/desirable?" but with a better more well-resourced argument. Hopefully without making the clarification unbearably long or complicated as it does need to be accessible to visitors on the page though. Perhaps in the future I will invest some more time into a thorough wiki page that delves into these topics at greater length since they are so huge. But for now, I want to keep things as short/simple as I can get away with (if that's possible).

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Clarification/TL;DR: I am looking for advice on how to build a resourced argument which effectively demonstrates the existence of general trends in female hypergamy at least in comparison to whatever trends of male hypergamy there may also be.