Is Black Pill full of shit?

antioch94 · 2021-01-15T12:17:55+00:00

Some of their points may be valid but their attitude is SHIT. Look at our history. There were men with so many handicaps and they made it to the top. There are literally men who made it from slaves to warriors and then great leaders. doing something with your life or at least trying is the purpose of men. If you give up and don’t even try you can give yourself a headshot and nobody would even care after max 2 days.

Musicgoon · 2021-01-15T09:58:11+00:00

Black pill is a bunch of losers that don't try. Instead they try to ,"out loser", each other. It's confirmation bias at its very worst.

NoBath9220 · 2021-01-15T13:01:44+00:00

The blue pill is staying in your tiny little cave you were born in

The red pill is stepping out of the cave to see the sun

The black pill is staring at the sun for so long that you end up going blind

seahawksrp · 2021-01-15T10:59:04+00:00

One of the most toxic and self defeating philosophies. Think crab mentality. It is a bunch of losers who take a pessimistic view of life because they weren't given ideal cards. Your incels, terrorists, and some eventual pedophiles and predators will come from these groups. I can't say they are victims or play victim mentality but much of their loserdom is not taking responsibility for one's life.

319Skew · 2021-01-15T15:37:54+00:00

Blue pill: Women and men are equal. It's men that keep women down. I need to be understanding and not judge her so she can explore her sexuality. Famous sayings - "Sure, I'll hold your purse and wait here, sweetheart."

Purple pill: Well, women aren't angels but if I am aware of female nature and use red pill tricks then maybe I can land me a wife. Famous sayings - "You don't understand; she's different."

Red pill: Women adhere to hypergamy. Women want guys who are 6 ft with 6 figures and 6 packs and I want to be happy so best to work on myself and date around. No sense in settling. Famous sayings - "I got something to do so I called you an uber. Had a great time. Let's do this again."

Black pill : Women are 100% the problem. They are shallow and want the best. That's a lot of work. I should be rich or handsome but can't because I'm 5ft 10. I'm going to embrace nihilism. Famous sayings -"I think I'll stay home tonight."

TroubleGettin2Reddit · 2021-01-15T12:11:27+00:00

The black pill is inherently true, some people just take it to the extremes

CompetitiveAd4912 · 2021-01-15T10:40:51+00:00

There are certain limitations to your smv looks wise, black pill is right about that, but that's it. Girls who are a 9-10 and are aware of that will usually not fuck someone whos SMV is limited by genetics. But no matter how bad your genetics are, everyone can get 7's or 8's If everything else is done properly

InformalCriticism · 2021-01-15T12:50:13+00:00

The only grain of truth they've latched onto is that hypergamy sucks. It does suck, but that's no excuse to not maximize your personal potential - which they do not.

JameisBong · 2021-01-15T12:51:37+00:00

It's too defeatist and lame. Yes some people have it easy because they won the genetic lottery, but no it's not absolute.

Ugly people get laid regularly and have kids. Short, fat, skinny, tall, all that everyone is fucking. Sure women prefer the top 10% but can they get them? No. They'll take what they can get.

BasilevsNihili · 2021-01-15T13:30:55+00:00

Black pill is where woman-obsessed losers converge and rationalize their inability to take action.

NigroqueSimillima · 2021-01-15T14:49:17+00:00

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MP8877 · 2021-01-15T15:25:31+00:00

IMO, black pill is defeatist and for pussies with no frame and who don’t want to do the work.

With that being said, if you think Mr. 5’8” with all the confidence in the world, is going to make his chicks pussy any less wet for 6’4” lean Chad with blue eyes (no matter how BP he is), you’re out of your goddamn mind.

Chicks like to fuck hot guys. Wow, shocker.

But it’s not the ONLY thing that matters.

What sets us RPers apart is frame. That’s why it comes before anything else.

John_Magnus · 2021-01-15T18:37:56+00:00

There are various kinds of Black Pillers:

The genuinely unfortunate who through some deformity, disability or simply bad luck looks wise. No matter what they do, practically no one will ever be interested. I think this group is an extremely small minority of men.
Men (generally young men) who have only experienced rejection from women. They have little indication that women could be interested, but they could find some if they improved a bit. However, reading incel stuff has convinced them that only Chad will attract women and so they become depressed over the endless repetition that women will never want them. They tend to be shy men who are highly over analytical when it comes to women. They would probably improve their chances if they stayed away from blackpillers, exercising and putting themselves out there at parties and in everyday life.
Men who are lazy who use blackpillery to justify their refusal to engage in any form of self improvement. They tend to take systemic problems and use it as an excuse to not try anything, as they claim it would never result in interest from women. They tend to dismiss any advice given to them and will publish statistics to show that self improvement is pointless.

Overall, black pillers are generally negative in their outlook and they wallow in self pity. Maybe things will work out, maybe they will not. But incorporating a negative worldview will lead to depression and resentment that will actively harm your chances with women (and frankly, even in socialising generally.)

koorbes · 2021-01-15T10:59:33+00:00

Some researchers have come out with a theory saying that eventually humans will be split into two species, ugly gremlins and a genetic upper class. Google it.

Generally, attractive people end up with attractive people. And the peak of an individuals smv will be individual to them. A 4 will never be a 10. But they might be able the be a 7, that's where red pill comes in.

On an individual level your belief system comes into play too, but the overarching principle is that the blackpill is real.

Rustrike · 2021-01-15T12:35:17+00:00

Black Pill makes sense when you're fucked beyond fixing in terms of physical appearance and assets. Red Pill makes sense when you're average to very good. Blue Pill works when you're Brad Pitt or Elon Musk. However I bet Elon is red pilled...

IntrepidLawyer · 2021-01-15T12:18:11+00:00

If you are below 7 and are insisting you're blackpill because there is no chance in hell you would ever be an 8 I call bullshit.

You can work on yourself, save money for 5 years to get plastic operation if really needed, update your style, go to the gym, get your teeth in order and white, optimize your testo with TRT, and when you get to your top SMV at age 35 there is no chance in hell you won't be at least an 8 that females would love to jump on (beware of baby rabies of similar aged girls, get a vasectomy and keep it a secret to beat them at their own game).

If you REFUSE to do anything, then your blackpillness is your own choice you made in life. Live with it and don't project the result of a long list of your own bad choices in the past on others today.

This is exactly what CC riding whores do at 40 when there is no more good men left. They project their result of bad choices in last 20 years on all men today.

gomen01 · 2021-01-15T16:01:59+00:00

I agree with black pillers a lot on a lot of topics. The primary one is looks of course, but status and money is also interesting topics. I distance my self from the black pill because it’s very nihilistic.

The black pillers have it right when they say that chads get by easier in life in terms of dating and hook-up when it’s a lot harder for the average guy with solid game.

My buddy is a typical chad. Doesn’t have to do much, he just stands in a corner and brings home a new girl every week. One time when he was driving us home from a nightclub in Stockholm, he got called up by 2 hot girls 4 in the morning for a booty-call. The shocking thing is that he rejected the booty-calls because sex is like driving water for him. He always seeks new girls to get at different hit of dopamine hit.

So in this regard, men of high-value have it a lot easier than what men like to admit. They live in a fantasy world beyond what’s imaginable by us normies. We normies just have to work harder to compete like men like my buddy.

Looks and height do unfortunately matter a lot, but we got to play with the genetics we were born with. You can either complain about it or do something about it.

Game will certainly help men, but looks is the one thing that opens the door at the end of it.

allahyardimciol · 2021-01-15T13:54:44+00:00

They teach 90% truth but the members of the community are mostly defeatists.

dynospectrum7 · 2021-01-15T14:22:17+00:00

Yes its full of shit. I'm willing to bet that 99% of these turds grew up without any real adversity in their life. Because getting women should only be a compliment to your life, not the sole purpose of it.

CasuallyObliterated · 2021-01-15T15:18:04+00:00

winning isnt't everything...But the will to win is

MakotoGreen · 2021-01-15T16:25:34+00:00

Yes, they're pussies. Avoid their attitude like the plague.

Filmguy000 · 2021-01-15T22:40:42+00:00

I have read a lot on red pill theory and have even started reading and listening to a lot of content on black pill theory out of curiosity. It's interesting to me because I'm a naturally (poor genetics) low SMV man, (5'6, bald, struggled in school, speak with a lisp, and others). Naturally, females avoided me like the plague from my teens until my late 20s when I decided to improve. I did manage to get laid and had a few LTRS. But they were mostly low value/damaged women.

My latest (2 years) ex was a solid 8 and was studying to become an RN. Great girl, very sweet but so so family. But I was already red pill aware and was well versed in hypergamy. And I had a great time with her and kept strong. But I expected anything because she was a better looking person (taller than me, in better shape, better facial aesthetics). Also, people in public would occasionally assume we weren't together because we weren't "looks matched". She never said anything but I'm positive this made her feel embarrassed and ashamed to be with me over time (there's more to the story but I'm keeping it brief). And she eventually did leave (kind of knew it was coming even though I stayed as strong as possible when with her).

People like to argue that if the black pill was totally true, humanity would go extinct millennia ago. Flawed logic. Many births from older times were the result of arranged marriages, family/factional allegiances, rape, religious doctrine, etc. One could even argue that the whole concept of marriage was created to give lower value men a chance to reproduce and to help civilizations thrive. These days with the rise of social media, dating apps and all, we are quickly reverting back to the primordial way of life where the top dog alphas with the bone necklaces and fur capes have their harems. Except now, instead of having a wing of a palace reserved for the women, now they have "Contact Lists" on their phones. So the way things are going now, incels, black pillers and such will be a natural side affect and common occurrence in society.

So while I think most men can at least get laid with enough effort, many men do have limits that cannot be exceeded. Therefore, they won't have frequent (if any) access to higher quality woman for sex or companionship (for very long). I think that is the real Black Pill. But acting angry and spending time online while letting life slip by is not the answer either.

Redditorsheaven · 2021-01-16T12:49:40+00:00

Every single argument they say is pure bunch of BULLSHIT. They’re loser and crying men, nothing more, nothing less.

Except to the fact: if you are deformed, exceptionally bad looking etc.

Im ready to destroy These losers with the arguments.

provemewrong

trynabeabetterman · 2021-01-15T10:39:45+00:00

Honestly for those people, it’s easier to blame everyone else rather than take responsibility and control what you can control

SteveSan82 · 2021-01-15T12:05:20+00:00

They don't want to do the work. Even a short danny devito looking guy with a high voice can get laid if he has game and displays confidence.

ThoraPhillip · 2021-01-15T10:53:03+00:00

No it's not full of shit.. that girl yo're talking to and trying to get with literally went over to Chad bad boys house over a few messages. Chad bad boy does no self improvement and has some shit job. Thats life.

acenumber902 · 2021-01-15T22:03:32+00:00

Why would the blackpill be full of shit? that's like saying the red-pill its full of shit, i mean sure there are a lot of incels out there that take things waaay out of context,but even then how can you say straight-faced that looks dont play a major role in every social interaction you have? if you say that incels make excuses to not try hard enough, then maybe you also make excuses because you dont want to have your sucess be dismished by a factor you cannot control and maybe you arent awesome as you thought. you just were lucky.

I try to be as objetive as posible and as im 5'4 in height and almost balding at 23 i consider it insulting that you say im making excuses for things i cant control, its wonderful knowing that because a guy is 6'1 and has no personality whatsoever he gets surrounded by girls without making an effort. i've had waay too many examples of this. be it with friends or acquitances, there's no way about it you either are born lucky or not, the rest is your take in life and if you want to be bitter or try to get as much enjoyement as you can

I dont want to say that i've no chance of picking up girls, but the differeance in treatment is notorious that even a blind person would notice.

External_Taste583 · 2021-01-15T12:47:53+00:00

my favorite joke : " personality matter to women "

jjj2576 · 2021-01-15T14:18:41+00:00

I like having my dick inside of a vagina— the Black Pill, like Monk Mode, is a buffer under my RP lens.

subaruguy14 · 2021-01-15T14:50:33+00:00

It’s a lot of valid points, mixed with an unwillingness to better oneself or a lack of desire to compete. Half the point of fucking an 8 or 9 is the conquest.

RedEyeBlackEye1 · 2021-01-15T14:52:43+00:00

redEye(redpill lense) + blackEye(blackpill lense).

The problem with MOST BLACKPILL GUYS...

Is that they do not look beyond what is seen TO SEE WHAT IS POSSIBLE.

Yes, there are underlying truths that the blackpill makes very very painfully aware of, but the temptation of nihilism is what gets most BLACKPILL ONLY guys before they can move past that to the possibilities that the REDPILL philosophy/paradigm can teach you to achieve.

Blackpill/Incel/Redpill/Mgtow are ALL a part of the same system of an understanding of that which is the TRUE NATURE OF THIS WORLD, HOW THINGS ARE, AND WHAT THEY COULD BE. The bluepill is a lie, a deception... conjured up to ensnare and warp the minds into a chaotic, submissive, feminine-like state. Easier to be controlled, to be missed, to be molded.

Gawd damn shit be deep homie.

2021-01-15T14:53:53+00:00

I think the blackpill is beyond sexual attraction though, as a philosophy of nihilism and pessimism, but in the dating world it’s largely based-off the assumption that even if you score an attractive partner. He / she will only want you for their own benefit, and doesn’t really care about you as a person. A redpiller would still likely try to have sex with a person and spin them as a plate, but a blackpiller couldn’t be bothered. A redpiller may sleep around until he finds a partner that wants to stay, and he builds upon himself to reach that point. A blackpiller is in a state of continuous self-destruction.

jackandjill22 · 2021-01-15T16:27:59+00:00

LateralThinker13 · 2021-01-15T16:45:33+00:00

Yes. Nihilism is never productive, and it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I see it constantly and black pillers will probably say they’re rich or come up with other bullshit excuses

Let's say this is true. What's to stop THEM from becoming rich? Nothing except the will to do it.

Incels and blackpills both have options open to them, but they make excuses as to why to not try. Why they don't have to put in the work. Why it's pointless. Because if they actually had options, then their lives are lies and it's on THEM that they suck, not on fate or luck or 'muh oppression'.

Own your shit, dudes.

Gamedragon345 · 2021-01-15T17:59:48+00:00

Yeah this is kinda true, but there are a lot of black pill ppl who are not incels and focus on self improvement, but they are usually ike MGTOW because they say it isn't worth the trouble, I'll focus on myself women are too much of a hassle, then there are also incels who complain. Some people in black pill were from TRP but they decided they don't care about dating anymore etc.

dudedoodickle · 2021-01-15T18:40:34+00:00

mostly all the pills are relatively full of shit.

mostly because you shouldn't make a rocket science out of this shit and overthink everything. just stay true to yourself and you'll be fine.

be content with what you do

PurpleLemon4de · 2021-01-15T18:51:40+00:00

Blackpill is bullshit UNLESS you look like u/HensonCel or worse and you’re too broke to fix your face. I consider this useful the honorary example of the true black pill.

kaizen987 · 2021-01-15T19:49:42+00:00

Redpill Vs blackpill is all a matter of perspective when it comes to the same basic premise.

Abadalta · 2021-01-15T21:12:28+00:00

It's not just about looks. If you want better relationships with women, you need smaller communities. The only thing that keeps beautiful women in check is the fear of being a social outcast for cheating, flirting with other men, leaving her husband for no good reason, etc, etc.

You cannot keep a woman just by being a "Gigachad". Overtime, it will benefit her to leave in this society.

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tropicsGold · 2021-01-16T00:05:28+00:00

I think you hit it spot on. They are desperate for an excuse. Some people would rather have an excuse than success. I don’t understand it but I see it all the time. Sad

volvostupidshit · 2021-01-16T05:27:37+00:00

They always adjust the goal post in argument so there is no point in arguing with them.

Prize-Thought-4205 · 2021-01-16T07:08:59+00:00

the black pill preys on unconfident guys.

Confidence & security is more important than looks, this is an objective fact. But taking care of yourself & looking clean enough is still very important. If you show you're not confident & you're insecure, desperate or needy to women its a huge turn off for them.

Those average 4/5 out of 10 guys you see with 9 and 10/10 chicks? They have their shit together, are fully confident & secure in themselves. Maybe they're a bit funny but not really much more than the average guy. Maybe they make 90k a year but they're not uber wealthy multi millionaires or wealthy play boys.

The sad truth is there's too many pathetic men so you can be an average guy, still behave like an alpha in frame, life & mindset to secure the top tier women. Since they just want one of these guys to belong to them.

Fine, maybe i'm wrong... it might just be because i've been called & considered average by everyone my entire life, average height, face, life. But maybe even being average is a blessing? If I was 5'0 instead of 5'9, had no jaw line at all instead of a tiny miniature jawline etc etc blah blah whatever black pill followers say, would my dating life actually be dog ****? I'll never know.

However the problem is 95% of these people don't really look all that bad ;/

StackRedemption · 2021-01-16T11:20:33+00:00

I think they have some salient points specifically when it comes to attraction vis a vis races. And of course if you are ugly and short then your chances do significantly get lowered. But I do believe in the red pill concept that everyone can apply themselves.

anyJose · 2021-01-16T18:21:54+00:00

The thing is I’ve realized a lot of men have low expectations. Especially American men. A lot of them when they see a woman that’s an “8” it’s not usually that attractive it’s more like a girl with some fat, chubby girls with lots of makeup maybe too much and incredible big and floppy boobs like if they where operated or something. Makes them look trashy, think of Tana Mongeau.

Just cause a girl has big boobs don’t make her hot but like I said before men have low expectations.

LastStandBeforeOver · 2021-01-16T21:37:55+00:00

Former Blackpiller, I wanted to bring another perspective.

I first heard about the Redpill around 4 years ago, but I did not really cling. I was understanding that the Bluepill narrative, with its "you should be yourself" and "you'll find someone one day", was false, but I was not seeing how concepts in the Redpill like frame, shit tests and others were a solution. Tbh they just sounded like a lame PUA thing. I was seeing so few girls that I found them impossible to implement in practice.

After a first tentative of self-improvement and a few miserable Tinder dates which did a lot of harm to me, I discovered the Blackpill and everything made perfect sense. Some people get laid thanks to their genetics, and others simply will never because they signal genetic inferiority. There is nothing much you can do against it. 20% of guys get 80% of girls. And so on. All of these ideas, backed up by scientific studies, were so easy to grasp and intuitive, and I found them matching what I was seeing every day.

But unlike many Blackpillers, I was not so ready to abandon. I was having only a few Tinder matches, but still more than zero. So my situation was not so desperate, even by Blackpilled standards. But I had no strategy. Then, by luck and some work, I got more matches and started seeing more girls. I gained experience in escalating, push and pull, and so on. I understood the necessity of having options. More importantly, I realised I could perfectly have many options. The experience I just got made me understand the concepts of the Redpill, which now make perfect sense and contain everything I need to make up a new sexual strategy.

In short, the Blackpill is a good introduction of the Redpill. It provides a first, intuitive alternative to the Bluepill worldview. It is basically the anger phase of the guy who realised he got scammed by the Bluepill. But he should get over this anger phase and then move to the Redpill

cunningcaring · 2021-01-17T12:05:07+00:00

It's all math: a 5 guy with a 9 girl has a 12 inch dick.

TeddyMGTOW · 2021-01-15T10:47:59+00:00

They are not full of shit, they make some good points. Overall I choose to be in the RP and MGTOW camp.

Ensifror · 2021-01-15T14:03:01+00:00

I think so. The guys who are constantly complaining (not observing, complaining) about women only caring about looks and money, rather than improving their looks, wallet and game. They're just looking for excuses and are probably Incels.

The fact of the matter is, it's not even remotely difficult to be top 20%. And frankly, there is no excuse not to be. Just look at the competition... Womens standards are unrealistic given the options the world presents. But they are not hard to meet. Most guys are just lazy sods.

PaulOberstein777 · 2021-01-15T14:32:00+00:00

The problem is that nothing you just said is scientific. All the evidence suggests that looks, height, and race, are bigger factors to success in dating than anything else. Race alone puts a nail into the red pill coffin.

Where is your science? This redpill stuff has never been proven with actual science. It's all anecdotal.

longshaftmutant · 2021-01-15T12:13:06+00:00

You can be ugly and get girls. I see plenty of 4-5 dudes with extremely hot women. And rarely see extremely good looking dudes with uglier women. The part of RP I don’t agree with is that women are hypergamous.

dartyszn4 · 2021-01-15T16:06:03+00:00

Agreed on the point where average to below average dudes get hot girls. Always see dudes with dad bods and borderline busted faces with attractive girls. Truly baffling

lmann81733 · 2021-01-15T17:14:48+00:00

Black Pill is a bunch of nonsense. Yes looks play a role in dating, but for 99% of men it’s not insurmountable. The ideology mostly exists as a way to rationalize not taking any action to improve your circumstances. That’s the reason they fight so hard to protect it. If it’s not true, they’d have to get off their asses and hit the gym.

The iron is that if anything ugly women are worse off than ugly men, men have more ways to compensate.

SirAttackHelicopter · 2021-01-15T18:19:56+00:00

WTF is black pill? I keep seeing this BS coming up. Grey pill, purple pill, white pill, rainbow pill, all of it is just a pathetic excuse to not fully absorb the red pill.

I get it. It's hard. But results take effort. TRP isn't an overnight drug.

throwmrwaway · 2021-01-15T21:47:12+00:00

black pill is just a fancy term for incel

2021-01-15T22:33:07+00:00

The main philosophy behind the black pill, that everything is genetics, is fucking entirely wrong. The truth is that it doesn't take much effort to make yourself attractive.

If you take the average guy and give him the "Crazy, Stupid, Love." Ryan Gosling treatment (lifting, style, hair, hygiene, etc) he can become very attractive.

There's dudes in fucking wheelchairs that are in the top 20% of men in terms of SMV just because they take care of themselves.

DeGENZerate · 2021-01-15T22:41:31+00:00

If you are a genetic dead end with genetic defects such as shit genes not working on wite wimen, then you don't belong on the red pill. If you have a deformed fucked up face then you don't belong on the red pill. Because sexual selection is working against you. You are by definition a loser. Chads only.

If you are a chad genepool in your country then you can be on the red pill. Sorry guys I didn't make the rules I just enthusiastically enforce them.

blackpillscience untouchables are real and should weed out all the untouchables here from getting any tang. The men who are able to lift and think their way up will have women. This doesn't require perfect genes either.

Title	Is Black Pill full of shit?
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