Is rotten personality something that you just have to accept with majority of HB8+?

August 24, 2018

Or am I just unlucky?

I don't mean promiscuity - they're just plates, if they want to ride CC until you can park a jumbo jet inside, it's not my problem.

But fuck me if most HB8s and higher don't have the most shitty, entitled, narcissistic personalities out of all people I've met.

Of course I'm still attracted to them - I'm a dude after all. So, here's the question - am I just meeting wrong women or if you're interested in higher SMV women you just have to learn to compartmentalize the narcissistic personalities of attractive women?

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Title Is rotten personality something that you just have to accept with majority of HB8+?
Author twdziki
Upvotes 62
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Date August 24, 2018 1:08 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 180 points181 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Imagine being told you were royalty, a princess, from birth. Your blue pill father broke his back to provide a dress for your homecoming that you'd wear once then forget about and your mother treated him like a plow horse. Then imagine boys treating you with more regality from high school on. You had numbers of orbiters that would do your homework, help you cheat on a test, buy you shit because you exist next to them and they've been told to do so by their own mothers and blue pill fathers. Imagine at college this only increased. Then after putting all that into your head imagine, if you can, that you are just a ditsy girl with no qualities other than your genetics but you won't have to recognize that until your 29+. But you don't even get that, you think it will last like this forever. She can't feasibly be anything more than an HB8+ narcissist until she gets alpha widowed.

[–]omega_dawg9350 points51 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

this. this. this.

​and i blame men for putting these types of women on pedestals. i blame the women for not having more substance than what we see, but i also blame men for going after 'hollow' women... going nuts behind them JUST because of how they look.

​some are not very smart... but, you let them handle your finances.

some are extremely selfish... but, you impregnate them.

they have NOTHING to offer but looks... but you treat them as if they 'walk' above the ground.

they are to blame but blond hair + blue eyes + big tits + cute face = men go stupid.

edited: corrected spacing since the grammar police had issues.

[–]4matting18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Needs more spacing

[–]omega_dawg93-5 points-4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

thx grammar police.

[–]4matting3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've got to meet my monthly quota to keep my job. lol

[–]LamborghiniHigh0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It was actually pretty straining to read with all those spaces.

[–]omega_dawg93-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'll go back and edit it since you're straining... and possibly in pain. poor thing.

[–]duhkimura21 points22 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is my 5 year old niece. She already thinks she's a real princess because of her parents. She will grab my juice box for no reason and see if I will do anything for it. She is really sassy. It's not cute at all.

[–]kaazsssz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My sister’s son is the exact same way. Children need order and discipline this applies to boys and girls.

My sisters kid is ONLY this way with people who let him. Me and my father, we absolutely do not tolerate ANY of his spoiled brat upbringing that he got from both mom and grandma and non biological “grandpa” who is married to my mother. The kid is a spoiled fucking brat who thinks he’s entitled to everything. Except when it comes to me and my dad. We don’t play.

That said, I think we all know that girls are always more spoiled than boys. At the same time women claim to be treated harsher than boys so I don’t know what to believe there and I’m not digging around and I won’t draw conclusions on my own without proper research so no need to reply to me with anger about that topic lol.

Anyhow, just wanted to talk about kids a bit because I have one my sister has one and they really are directly affected by your parenting. Most people are horrible parents. That’s just the way it is.

[–]ppanthero1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well my two little nices are the same. Father is extremly blue pill, mother bosses father around and never calls the two girls out on anything. Of course this ends not well. But funny enough, when i see them i am pretty straight forward with them and set boundaries what eventually leads to them constantly asking when they can do something with their uncle (me) again. Kids crave/need some boundaries.

[–]petallotus3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Slap some sense into her

[–]duhkimura12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not my responsibility lol

[–]xeroblaze0-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It takes a village..

[–]MrSittingBull1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well at least you get to see it first hand.

[–]monkey_typist3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of the "personality" female friends that I have, I wondered how many of them would retain their pleasant personality if they were hot. I understand both nature and nurture play a role, but I think nurture has a pretty large role.

As a quick tangent, men are the same too. In fact, I observed this in me. For a while, partly due to my hardwork and staying on track, partly due to being at the right place at the right time, I was enjoying being the big fish in the little pond. While not discounting my hardwork, part of it was due to that I happened to have picked an easy pond. After a while, I turned into a dick, because, I can. It wasn't until I stepped away from that, and looking back, that I noticed it brought out the worst in me, simply because I could do so without repercussions. That's just how people are.

Back to topic, I also want to bring out another point. If you look at the typical statistics bell curve in terms of "total quality", most people are in the middle, with few on the low end and few on the high end. "Total quality" can be thought of as an mount that's distributed among various individual qualities. If a woman scores high on "beauty" and low on everything else, her total score is still not that high, and that individual is probably still someone near the middle, and therefore, fairly common. The more quality scores she has out side of beauty, the higher she'd be on the bell curve, and the more rare she would be.

This is why the trifecta joke - "looks, intelligence, sanity, best you can get is two out of three", is a joke based on mathematical truth. And why unicorn hunters should ask themselves... how much luck do I think I have.

[–]omega_dawg93-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you might want to correct the spacing on your post.

the grammar police (a special agent) actually strains to read this stuff with too many spaces.

[–]Aggressive_Beta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. The state of our society is very clearly due to the failure of men to lead women. Blame the betas, not the women.

[–]Naebany28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They have shittier personalities because they didn't have to develop fun personality. That's why ugly girls are fun to hang around but obviously they aren't attractive... I guess you need to find a nice balance. Sometimes a fun 6-7 can be better overall to be with and to have sexual relationship than 8.

[–]imtheoneimmortal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is true in many cases, i met some girls with ugly face and body 6+ but it was fun to talk with them and hang out

[–]CainPrice55 points56 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Most really pretty girls are actually extremely nice. It's the 6-7s you have to watch out for. They're serious bitches with something to prove because deep down inside, they know they're not 8+, but hot guys are still willing to slum it with them for the easy lay, so they try to act like they perceive a pretty girl acting in a desperate attempt to convince themselves that they're in a higher league than they actually are.

It's in the approach. If you aren't attractive or don't take the hint when a really hot girl is short or abrupt with you, they're going to be a bitch. But if you're attractive and have your shit together, hot girls are actually a lot nicer than the 6-7s.

[–]twdziki28 points29 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's the 6-7s you have to watch out for.

If she's just 6-7 AND a shitty personality on top of that then you just don't pay attention to her though.

[–]CainPrice33 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah. If you're hot and fun and blow past her first bitchy retort like a boss who knows how to deal with women, you can get laid that night. And a 6-7 will stay on your rotation for months. She'll complain the whole time about how she doesn't even like you and try to frame it as a hottie like her doing you a favor, while you just smile and nod and keep fucking her. After a few months, she'll push for exclusivity, at which point you go silent for a week and she comes back to you for more sex and doesn't bring it up again for another month or two. When she brings it up the second time and you turn her down, that's usually when she finally quits texting.

That's the life cycle of a 6-7, in a nutshell.

Don't underestimate the convenience of having a 7 in your phone that you can text any time you're tired and don't feel like going out or any time you don't find anybody you like or can get to come home with you.

[–]Taco_Truck_Aficionad 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

banging 6's

Ew, gross.

[–]CainPrice13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your rating system. I'm old school. Late 30s. In my universe, 5 out of 10 is average, so anyone I'd rate 6+ passes the boner test.

But a lot of people grew up where 70% or higher in school was passing and 69% or lower was failing, so in their world 7 out of 10 is average, and most girls who are vaguely cute in their world get a 7 when I'd give them a 5 or 6.

[–]MrSittingBull8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This. A 5 on my scale is just an average woman that has a 50/50 chance of someone finding them attractive. A 6 is pretty cute, a 7 is hot, 8 is model hot, 9s and 10s are reserved for the Jessica Alba’s and Margot Robbie’s of the world.

[–]SuperCrazy074 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL, I remember this general discussion in a thread from a few months ago. Basically, this is the system most use:

The bottom 50% of women (actual HB1-5) are not fuckable, they are not included in the ratings or are considered HB1, and may as well be a different species.

Under this system, when someone says HB7, she is actually in the top 1/3 of the top 50%, and definitely worth having in the rotation.

[–]showerdudes98 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

you live in an alternate reality, that's definitely not how it is in most places. 6-7's are really nice down to earth girls and 8-9's are bitches like you would not believe

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We probably don't disagree and are just rating women differently. Like your 6 might be my 5 (5's are nice), and my 7 might be your 8 (so you think 8's are bitchy).

And as I noted, this varies somewhat based on the guy. If you're not attractive and approach a 9, she's not necessarily going to be a super bitch, but she's going to answer you with two words and hope you take the hint and go away. If you keep talking to her, -then- she's going to be a bitch. If you're attractive, she's perfectly pleasant from the get-go.

Conversely my 6-7 (that you might rate an 8) is a bitch to everybody because she's trying to act like she thinks the pretty girls do. You have to pass her bitch-shields before you can take her home.

[–]morescoobysnacks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It just has to do with how much the girl has been hit on in her life. Not how objectively hot she is. Ex-fat girls can be really nice even if they're 9s for example.

[–]showerdudes90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Solid point

[–]casemodz-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer 6-7's because I'm too intimidated by the hotter ones.

[–]Jampak_50009 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. This is why anything 8+ with a good personality will make you lose your shit. Cos they’re so rare

[–]319Skew10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Hot women coast on looks and don't need personality for validation. Unattractive women try to compensate somehow by either being really easy or making sure they have substance.

[–]omega_dawg936 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

hot women are also boring in bed at times.

while unattractive women (and bbws) compensate by being absolute freaks in bed... and fix you breakfast in the a.m.

meanwhile, the princess waits for some of y'all to bring her breakfast in bed. lol.

[–]319Skew1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. They'll do anything to make sure that you don't leave because they are easily in your frame. Attractive women require more work.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

attractive women don't require more work.

if anything they are less work if you don't walk in lifting them up on a pedestal day 1.

there's a guy somewhere that she longs for... bc he's masculine, dominant, and keeps her ego in check.

be THAT guy.

[–]petallotus3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad but true and acceptable

[–]JW_23 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There’s a South Park episode about this. IIRC the ugly girl was really good at piano or something.

I blame guys for going after hot women w/o substance.

[–]319Skew3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Blame biology

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro, this is so random but I saw this comment of yours:

Approach. Develop comfort. Then on a high note say "Hey, (name), I got to go. Really loved talking to you. Let me grab your number." Smile and extend your hand. When she hands you her phone, add yourself as something fun (Totally hung guy from Starbucks) text yourself from her phone something fun, cute or clever (so hot xoxo). Then reply to it with something smug ( yea, I get that a lot)

And gotta say, that's absolute gold. Definitely doing that the next time.

[–]319Skew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Works well. Shows high value, weeds out validation whores, reminds her of you, keeps you in control of the frame, cocky funny, and keeps her hamster spinning. Just make sure keep calm, confident and aloof when you tell her to hand you her phone. Make it like you're telling a kid to hand you something.

Best of luck

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Seems to be a trend, yes. Although I know some exceptions. I think it really comes down to how much they respect you, but even then the majority have a hard time hiding it for long.

That's why I think a high 7 is perfect for an LTR, especially girls in that "limbo" sweet spot where they're too hot for the betas to hit on and not hot enough for the alphas to constantly try to fuck (especially while she's with you). Life is good with them.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This right here. My wife is just hot enough to where everyone tells me but not hot enough to know it.

[–]civilizedfrog0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you seen how alphas treat 7's and those below? They do a lot more than pump and dump.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean?

[–]MrAgamemnon-5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's why I think a high 7 is perfect for an LTR, especially girls in that "limbo" sweet spot where they're too hot for the betas to hit on and not hot enough for the alphas to constantly try to fuck (especially while she's with you). Life is good with them.

Yeah... No. You don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Woah your fact filled rebuttal really got me bud....

[–]Willmander3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because he needs to refute rubbish like that.

[–]MrAgamemnon1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Indulge me, I would really like to know what your definition of a 7 is; someone who is somehow "too hot" for people to hit on while simultaneously not "hot enough".

I would like to know more of this plateau of the "high 7".

You think any "alpha" gives two shits that "she's with you"?

No. As for her, hypergamy is always in action, dating "down" will not save you or anyone else.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well seeing as you can't post pictures here and a wordy description would be futile, I believe I'll pass.

No, never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Did I say it would make her Hypergamy disappear? No. Lessen the chances of it being acted upon? Yes. Big difference.

You clearly have all the answers though, so no need to have an open mind. Thanks for challenging my view in a thoughtful manner.

[–]i_like_herr22 points23 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'd argue that girls in general are just - no easy way to say this but I'll give it a shot- not easy to hold a conversation with. I mean hanging out with them is so tiresome cos you constantly need to adhere to their childishness.

I will say though whenever I meet an intelligent woman (btw come to think of it they are usually not on the prettier side) I develop feels for her for a day or two.

[–]zestytacoz1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

you constantly need to adhere to their childishness.

I actually enjoy that. I can let loose and be a dumbass if i want. I can't stand talking to "oh so serious smart girls" because it's just no fun

[–]i_like_herr2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But don't you want conversations that broaden your knowledge and be mentally stimulating?

[–]zestytacoz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I do, and I really enjoy those! But other times I just want to be dumb

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why do you expect women with feminine qualities to discuss masculine qualities? I’m a STEM major and I know my wife gives zero fucks about there being over 500,000 miles of internet cabling wrapped around the world. Guess what I don’t talk to her about?

If you’re having a hard time having a conversation the issue is you. As men we are able to bridge the gap between having silly nonsensical conversations, which is the majority of gaming and then serious intellectual talk that requires problem solving.

Sounds like you’re either caught in the anger phase or maybe MGTOW.

[–]i_like_herr5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not in the anger phase or a MGTOW. I haven't even read RP sidebar completely.

I never said I expect them to talk about F1 or boxing with me. There are so many other gender neutral topics. I also never said that I struggle with holding a conversation.

Before coming to conclusions I'd ask you to use your problem solving skills and better judge what a person is saying. Or at the very least ask me to clarify.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'd argue that girls in general are just - no easy way to say this but I'll give it a shot- not easy to hold a conversation with.

not easy to hold a conversation with.

So you didn’t say this? I must be quoting someone else.

[–]i_like_herr6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you only read one sentence at a time? Does you brain hurt to read the next sentence?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely the anger phase.

[–]i_like_herr3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever floats your boat.

[–]Morphs_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I made this realization only recently. In my previous LTRs I wanted to be an intellectual and discuss economics and stuff with my gf. Of course she wasn't interested. But now from a masculine/feminine persective I totally get this. One ex would mostly get enthusiastic when we were discussing other people (gossip I guess).

Luckily I've also learned to talk about female subjects and I also enjoy them. I do like most of my conversations I have with my plates and FwBs.

[–]ghosts_of_me4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chicks gain a couple of points of appearance if they know how to dress/accessorize/makeup well. You can still find awesome girls with just as an attractive body and face than the "HB8+" hoes, they just wont have that 'it' look that your dick thrusts towards like a compass.

[–]frontyer00778 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Many of them are low quality. But my LTR right now is HB8 and has a great personality. She was a virgin when I met her. Shows lots of empaty and truly cares about me. She spends hours just to make me a nice birthday present. She pretty much wont spend money on stupid shit as well (expensive clothing/shoes etc..). So good looking women with a good personality do excist. Theyre just a bit rare compared to the shitty ones.

[–]petallotus3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s sweet.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot girls are just people (though heavily socialized people) so they're going to be a mixed bag without a uniform rule.

Some are very nice and sweet like other girls. Some are enormous cunts. It's really hit or miss, though I would say one thing all have in common is the ability to bat away guys they are uninterested in (read: 99% of men) because they've likely been doing it their whole life, and many of these guys they reject are pretty alpha.

[–]RedSkeller2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most people have a bad attitude and shitty outlook on life. Typically young women are insecure and cynical as a front to protect their egos, them coming off as a bitch is just bait for you to fuck off. Treat them all like whores, there are few and far between with good families and a decent upbringing, allegedly.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol women don't have personalities

[–]Zanford2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no.

Girls are quite malleable, and will adapt to having a good personality around you if you have value, frame, and game.

This is why I've decided that looks are, in fact, more important than personality. The latter is actually extremely malleable, especially in women.

And very relative. She's not a bitch...she's a bitch TO you have to teach her not to be.

[–]fashfront1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been working with a few legit 9s and 10s this summer and so far they've all been pretty funny and polite. It's definitely easier to become an entitled bitch when you're extremely attractive, but there's still plenty of good ones out there

[–]walawalawa1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see this a lot in my Latin dance circle. Lots of HB8's...but their beta orbiter "Classmates" cockblock outsiders from getting in their line of sight.

The girls themselves just love attention so whether it's from me or an orbiter it doesn't matter.

You can only game after you approach so yes it's a dilemma.

I generally ignore these cunts and eventually they come around....or they don't.

They don't give their orbiters any respect.

[–]ThisOneWasAvailable1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there's a trend, yeah, but there are underlying differences. My take on this is that it all boils down to their own perceived SMV in their city/state. I travel around the country a lot for work and have seen many differences first hand. I've seen HB5s and HB6s show an entitlement you would not believe. They think and act like they're HB10s just because their SMV is highly inflated in that area thanks to men constantly putting them on pedestals. On the other hand, in cities where most girls are good looking they tend to be more down to earth regarding their SMV, so it's easier to find HB8+s who aren't super entitled bitches.

[–]vandaalen1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

At least here in Europe it's not the case.

[–]tenxs 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can‘t tell if you are joking or living in a different Europe than me.

[–]vandaalen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Europe is just 5qm big...

[–]room_303-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cause they are just trashy 6/10's.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My guess is that you're rating women who favor specific accessories or styles as 8s and up.

My experience has been that hot women, on average, are nicer than the general population because they're not beaten down by the constant interpersonal warfare of socialization and sexuality.

The exceptions are the women who sell out for hotness. I mean in the athletic sense of selling out, like a guy sacrificing everything and diving face-first to block a shot. Women who go all in to be hot are often selecting for Dark Triad traits. These are the ones who always have to look hot, and will be genuinely pissed if you catch them with even one hair out of place. That's a selection bias issue if there every was one.

My guess is that you happen to find women who present that way to be hotter than the rest of the herd.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dealing with one right now as long as you act the opposite of how their father did, they’ll act butthurt about everything and act extremely childish. But I can assure you she turns into Niagara Falls.

[–]GucciGangBucks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m friends with some HB8s and their actually pretty pleasant to be around. Lots of hotter girls are usually more popular so in general tend to have cooler hobbies then usual. Plus they’re use to social interaction from being so have no problem talking to guys. Keep in mind some of these girls are actually just “friends” (people I talk to when I’m out. Not like we hang out) so maybe they could be bitches behind closed door. Naturally if a girl is a bitch to me I’ll check em pretty quick And it stops. Lots of guys get walked all over in which just keeps them being bitches to you.

It’s actually the 6-7 that seem to be the biggest bitches from my experience..

[–]always_sad120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. I know beautiful women with good personalities. Still women and do women things but good people nonetheless. Personally, I’ve gotten the most shit from like 5s and 6s and 7s. The nicest girls to me that I’ve had a sexual relationship with were both pretty much low-tier Instagram models (super hot).

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[–]jizzonmypants0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have found some pretty decent HB+8 that are really nice, they just got their bitch defences high af at the night club cause they expect the baddest of the alphas, and they will treat any sexual or romantic type of encounter with those defenses,

For example all hb8 act as the most uninterested boring basic bitch when you first encounter them at the night club, if you are weak and your frame is low you are gonna get bounced off, just play her game a little bit till you notice she starts cracking then start spelling your usual shyt.

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[–]MrAgamemnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

am I just meeting wrong women

No, they are meeting the wrong you.

Most attractive women are nice and those who aren't nice are still tone their shit down very effectively, if your SMV is high enough.

[–]Two_kids_in_a_coat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven’t experienced this. Most are very nice. I think you just have a shit personality so they treat you poorly in return.

[–]Toussant-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you seen the hot vs crazy matrix on youtube?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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