Is the "Wall" just a Redpill cope?

Dopaminedetoxing · 2021-06-20T11:30:42+00:00

The wall isnt a magic curse that makes a woman ugly once she turns 30. It is a psychological fear once a woman realises she cant compete in the SMP as well as she could in her prime. Look at any beautiful "older" woman. You can tell she is old even if she has surgery and you generally prefer her younger version in terms of looks (yes there are exceptions but this only proves the rule of the wall).

At this stage (30) her ability to have kids also reduces. And progresively gets worse up to 40-45 ish in which there is a risk of problems for the kid and mom etc. Thus she doesnt only realises that her ability to compete is lower but she needs to hurry to be able to have kids with the highest value guy that her hypergamy can afford. THIS is the true wall. And once a woman realises this is when the epiphany phase starts.

MattyAnon · 2021-06-20T13:20:30+00:00

There's plenty of men with money out there that think that men need to "date women their own age"

True.

Am I wrong here?

The wall isn't "can't get a man".

The wall is "oh my fucking god I am getting older I better lock down a beta fast and have kids".

oooKenshiooo · 2021-06-20T13:22:47+00:00

Here is the rub:

A woman who looks hot in her 30s has still been waaay hotter when she is young. She is going to compare herself to THAT. The men she dated in her 20s were way hotter than what is available now - she is going to compare THAT.

Also, her pool of suitable partners shrinks, as most good men are either off the market or have settled into a lifestyle of perpetually spinning plates.

Also she is going to find herself financially and socially outgunned by all her married peers - there is only so much of a lifestyle you can sustain on a single income if you are not an all-out-hustler.

ObjectiveDay8 · 2021-06-20T11:25:42+00:00

No, not a cope in my opinion. 34 year old women either have one or both of these things going on, single motherhood or partied out throughout her 20s and early 30s and did a lot of drugs and fucked a lot of guys during that time.

There is a slight possibility that you could possibly meet a 34 year old woman who is a sane, rational person that realizes that in order to for a relationship to work between a man and a woman, that she needs to submit to the man and become absorbed into his frame. What do you think the likelihood is of that in 2021? Doesn’t sound like cope when you add it all up.

lolomotif12 · 2021-06-20T13:56:01+00:00

After 25 most women are at a biological decline wether it being fertility or looks. Personally if I am looking to have children I would want a young pre wall healthy mother to bear my kids and still have her looks to offer me for years ahead.

Other than that, I don't really care. However the fact is most women by 30 realise their biological clock is ticking and they can no longer compete with pre wall women in the looks department and start to freak out looking for a provider to settle down with after riding the corousal. They simply remind me of blood thirsty zombies but instead searching for commitment and a baby lol

kclanton80 · 2021-06-20T14:21:38+00:00

Sure they can find a man to lock them down. But not the type of man that they've been riding the carousel with for the past 20 years. They can find a beta bux all day who they won't love.... And will probably later divorce. Which you know actually is a pretty good deal for a woman

Deep inside though.... They want something better. They want to lock down that guy they fucked at 21 at the rave in the back room... But there's no way he was going to settle for her.

So no the wall is not a red pill cope. Women start to lose their attractiveness around the age of 25 and it's downhill after that. It's a physical certainty..

Men have a wall too it's just happens to be much much older.... And starts around 50 years old..

btrpb · 2021-06-20T12:47:26+00:00

She won't have a hard time because there are plenty of simps just like you who would be grateful to spread her legs. But she'll know deep down than she could have got much better 10 years ago and now she is having to make a few compromises and she will forever resent you; ultimately branch swinging or barking at your heels to become the alpha dog in your little pack, nagging you into submission, and talking about you like you're the shit on her heels when she sees her friends.

stripedtanker · 2021-06-20T18:59:59+00:00

Why the hate for the party girls? Definitely just jealousy. The issue with 30+ women are not that ones who have partied because they are still fun to hang out with. It's the intellectual educated ones who suddenly realize they have about 1 year to pop out some babies, so they'll try to pressure you into marrying them ASAP and really just being annoying through the entire dating process. These checklist women (have a checklist going into the date) really just aren't fun to be with or around. Not to mention they usually aren't the prettiest, are obviously agenda driven, and tend to come off as autistic given their insulated educated lives they've lived.

Most party girls I've met are pretty down to earth and have come to the terms the life they've lived. Not that I'd marry them since most don't know how to take care of themselves, but are usually still fun to be around.

bordstol · 2021-06-20T16:16:23+00:00

Sad loser men have a lot of wet fantasies about how life is gonna suck for the hot women that didn't want them. The harsh truth is that high value women tend to stay high value. Of course they can't compete with younger versions of themselves, but they do just fine.

All these women that people in here describe as settling are just finally dating men of their value. A 6/10 woman can fuck 8-9/10 guys in her youth, and then "settle" for a 6-7/10 man in her thirties.

vreshbaby · 2021-06-20T11:29:19+00:00

From what I see, single women (and men) in their 30s either have maintained their health and look either good or either totally wrecked.

For the ones who seem to have wrecked a "wall" exists, but for pretty women in their 30s I do actively doubt that the wall theory holds for them as they have plenty of hsmv options.

No experience with women in their 30s though, so dont take my words for granted.

Zombiespire · 2021-06-20T13:59:34+00:00

I can't add much to what everyone else already said but the science of it is objective. Women have a short fertility period, once they get to 40, the chance of birth defects and complications skyrocket. Then in their 50s they hit menopause and it's over. That's fact no matter how you look at it. The impact on the psychology of women then is obvious.

jhx264 · 2021-06-20T14:44:54+00:00

Men with money and no game aren't exactly desirable, quality men. These 34 year old soon to be spinsters are even screening those dudes out because of inflated egos and unwillingness to settle.

A true high value man has game and wouldn't take a woman like that seriously.

tradsouthernmale · 2021-06-20T16:01:56+00:00

There's plenty of men with money out there that think that men need to "date women their own age".

Yup. They're called "betas".

throwitdownman · 2021-06-20T20:31:30+00:00

Met a lot of stunning 30+ women. With makeup, any women can have flawless skin. With money, any women can buy artificially body conforming clothes to enhance their features. With IG, and women can copy paste another influencer’s makeup, hair, outfit and personality to look attractive.

Even after all that, if you place her next to a fit college chick, she’s going to look like crap. Everything is relative. If you’re one on one with someone older you might think the wall is a myth. If you’re with the same older chick on beach near a college, you’ll be reminded that the wall is unbeaten.

Intrepid_Artist · 2021-06-20T20:31:37+00:00

I am gonna write my experiences with women in epiphany stage, mostly from Taiwan and Vietnam.

Now Taiwan is rich, and many girls simple didn't wanna to marry, cause local guys are only alpha when it comes down to money. Next it to it, a man families have huge expectations about daughters in law (living with them, total control, filial piety).

So marriages all in all, is a bad deal for girl. This is why they tell em marry rich or don't marry

They do look good, are femine and not bitter. Locals really avoiding them, so girls are more than happy to get action.

Okey, they are not cutties as younger one, but are mature to level, you can actually have conversation. More open for anal. Love to show around. Have decent jobs. Good savings attitude and like to share cost for nice hotels.

Probably Taiwan, Vietnam are best dating market for guys in late 40+

It feels Asians female understands concept of wall, their society, friends, family members tell them. Your youth will be gone, no guys want older women, above 30. You better work hard or life will be difficult.

Western chick hits wall really painfully. Caught by surprise. Suddenly they look fat as cows. Old as their aunty. On their luck there is many beta guys, but can't compromise for lower SMV

El0vution · 2021-06-20T14:44:29+00:00

The Wall doesn’t mean a woman can’t find a man (she will always be able to) but she can’t find a man she really wants.

RedwallAllratuRatbar · 2021-06-20T13:24:04+00:00

just because women lose relative smv compared to men, doesn't mean that 40y.o. woman has more difficult access to sex than 20 y.o. man

PatternEast7185 · 2021-06-20T16:07:45+00:00

The Wall is real, and is an inevitable theme in almost every woman's life.

But a lot of jilted men hold onto the idea of the Wall as cope, because they want nature to take revenge on women for being women and to assuage their personal feelings of inferiority.

if you get stuck in the phase where you need the Wall to punish women and that's as far as you go, then imo your mindset is still a loser's mindset built on resentment rather than aspiration, and you haven't actually solved any of your problems.

ErectileDistention · 2021-06-20T18:28:33+00:00

Plenty of men with money with no game desperate enough to lock a woman.

You basically answered your own question.

It's not that they can't find a man, it's that the quality drastically goes down. The actual 'cope' is to be found amoung people trying to enforce dating your own age. Older women try to shame men dating younger because it hurts their own prospects. At the same time men lacking confidence use it as a cope to avoid risking rejection and perceived humiliation by settling for the easy pickings.

TheSmile_10 · 2021-06-20T18:46:45+00:00

The wall is the realization that she can no longer compete with her younger self; and that time is running out in regards to having children (the epiphany phase).

redarmychoirboy · 2021-06-20T19:30:00+00:00

34, pretty, fun

So an exception to the rule. Most 34 year old women are neither.

tetrachromancy · 2021-06-21T01:40:50+00:00

Well, women are always going to be taken care of. Whether by simps or the government.

I don’t pay mind to beta male thirst. My standards are higher than that. So over 30 is a no go for me.

Yashugan00 · 2021-06-21T10:24:29+00:00

"Am I wrong here?"

no you're correct, but your perspective is wrong though.

Women can absolutely still get men in their 30's. in fact most do and settle down at that age now.

Let that sink in.

"settle down"

"down"

The men they end up with, are most likely at this point a compromise. They've had the experience and accumulated expectations of a decade or more. They now want all that, but end up with .. less than that. It's a huge disappointment for many.

What really eats at women though, is that, sometime in their 30's, there is a SHARP DROP in attention from men. they become "invisible". random men no longer smile at them. Nobody goes out of their way to interact. They no longer get sudden perks, like, here's a free X. It's like a star act performer, who suddenly misses the spotlight. It's very scary for women.

so. women can find men post wall and most do (right before or after)

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, and men are the gatekeepers of relationships.

Most women confuse being able to get the first, with being able to get the second. They suddenly find that the second is a whole lot harder. Which is why they are anxiety ridden messes in their 30s'. the percentage of women on medication is staggering.

Title	Is the "Wall" just a Redpill cope?
Author	calisurfer101
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Comments	64
Date	June 20, 2021 11:19 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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