LTR wants to go to BLM protest, I am strongly against. Thinking of breaking up with her if she goes. Am I overreacting?

June 4, 2020
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This fucking BLM has turned every white girl into a racism saint it seems. LTR and her friends are typical liberal white girls who call me a racist for not “speaking out”. Is anybody else having similar issues with LTR? Talk some sense into me guys.

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Title LTR wants to go to BLM protest, I am strongly against. Thinking of breaking up with her if she goes. Am I overreacting?
Author St3phanW
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Date June 4, 2020 11:44 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]AotearoaRepublican46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol non Americans doing BLM marches are cucks we had 4K NZers protesting that shit when it has zero effect on our people. We couldn’t even get off our ass to protest our OWN issues! Fuck American media dominance fuck globalism

[–]quijote300033 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Most importantly, we are not in the US!!"

This is kind...

Aske her if she has ever boycotted China, for taking literally millions of minorities to concentration camps, since her phone is made in China.

If she isn't (she isn't) ask her why not

[–]theoverlordactual0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking China! It's a new thing every fucking day!

[–]kellykebab78 points79 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

If you don't support BLM, you probably shouldn't stay with someone who does. Either she doesn't share your values in which case, that's not a good match. Or she does but she just wants to show off and virtue signal, in which case she's shallow and also not a good match.

It really depends how strongly you feel about BLM and this protest. If you have a strong position against it, you should honor that feeling. If you're on the fence or don't care that much, it doesn't really make sense to take such a strong stand. Ultimately, you have to own your values and enforce them, whatever they are.

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[–]kellykebab16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely agree.

I think part of the problem is that OP is hesitant to be the captain. He doesn't sound sure about his position on BLM, so he's gun-shy about putting his foot down.

But a captain needs to decide.

[–]v4racing14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is why I just date conservative girls. Less drama.

[–]raginghawk924 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol less drama IF you are also conservative maybe

[–]LateralThinker1314 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Less drama, period. The "tolerant" left isn't.

[–]raginghawk920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't what? You know there are more ways of thinking than "left" and "right" don't you? If you think everyone who isn't "right" is intolerant you're an idiot.

[–]raginghawk920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd expect better from someone with your name.

[–]CasaDeFranco0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why wouldn't you be conservative?

[–]raginghawk92-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol I don't think I'm gonna justify such a dumb question with an answer.

[–]Fabulous-Craft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Either she doesn't share your values in which case, that's not a good match. Or she does but she just wants to show off and virtue signal, in which case she's shallow and also not a good match.

The far majority of non minority women supporting BLM fall into the latter category. Just the next trendy virtue signaling activism event they can latch on to.

And if you rule out all shallow women then you there won't be any left.

[–]Human_Extreme-3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If you don't support BLM, you probably shouldn't stay with someone who does.

I disagree man, never let political views get in the way of any relationship. Just don't talk about politics with your LTR. DON'T DON'T DON'T. I have done this a couple times and it never went well.

Since I have stopped talking politics with people, my relationships have improved and I never get any problems regarding that bullshit. Because shit like this is meant to polarise society. And by saying: "you should break up because she has different political views" you have entered the frame of the whole political system. Fucking hell, I hate politics.

[–]kellykebab13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is a terrible idea if you are thinking about a legitimately long-term relationship.

Politics are based on core values. They are also largely heritable, as it turns out. So if you want kids, you better vet your wife so you don't get children who halfway disagree with your views and rebel against you at every step (which an excessively liberal wife is going to do anyway).

If all you care about is fucking whores and not establishing a meaningful relationship with them, by all means, keep your values to yourself.

But a RP man in a real relationship should not just share his values, but lead with them. He is the captain of the ship, not a "partner" who needs to keep his mouth shut to placate his spouse or long-term girlfriend.

Be a MAN. Own your values.

[–]Human_Extreme-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Politics is in no way important for a LTR, who cares if your girl thinks abortion is good, refugees are welcome, climate change or corona is dangerous if you disagree with these statements. It will only be a problem if it's something that has any influence on your kids e.g vaccines.

Politics is mostly meant to polarise a society so they will fight with eachother and not against the system.

But I do kind of agree with you in a sense that you shouldn't raise kids with someone who is anti-vax par example.

Take care, man! :)

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What a teenage brain take:

specific policies and cultural practices don't matter, only fighting The System matters, Maaaan

What's "the system?" Laws and government in general? Authority in general?

Individual laws, policies, and cultural norms inform how society functions, how wealthy it is, how much social trust it has, and really how liveable and peaceful it is.

You can ignore politics if you want. You're just one person. But politics emerge directly out of core values. And core values define who you are as a person. They will also predict your behavior. Ignore your own core values and you will be adrift in the world, susceptible to the will of others who are in touch with their core values.

Ignore your partner's core values and you will never truly know them either.

Fine for plates. Terrible for the mother of your kids, if that's what you eventually pursue.

[–]northernCAgrown-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Politics is meant to polarize"

It will polarize your relationship as well.

Stop being stupid.

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If this guy doesn't think the politics of his wife will determine how she treats him or how she raises his kids, he is desperately naive.

[–]northernCAgrown-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost as if they haven't read this thing called...God what was that thing called again...

Oh ya, the sidebar.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed

[–]beardestbird53 points54 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m a black man. While I understand the outrage and agree about elements on how the cops there is 0 reason to go out and protest.

Most of these white girls are joining this shit for clout. This one white girl told me she’d stand in front of a cop and me if I went to a protest. I told her no fuck that.

Consider moving on.

[–]Dianded1-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait let me clarify are you saying there is 0 reason for anyone to protest?

[–]beardestbird4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m saying while some of it is valid majority of people just joining to follow the trend.

If the trend in society was pissing your pants promise a good amount of people would do it. Sounds extreme but that’s really how it works

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

uhh bro protests have historically brought about change, im not sure what youre on about.

[–]beardestbird2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did I say they haven’t? Lol

[–]BlueMyLoad69346 points347 points  (99 children) | Copy Link

It’s an important moment in American History. That video was not something I want to see happen in my country. Remember, George Floyd was a U.S. citizen with equal protection under the law as you or I. If they can do it to him, they can do it to you - they just don’t have a reason to - yet.

You don’t have to sympathize with the rioters, the looters, or even BLM to sympathize with the outrage in watching the police slowly and deliberately snuff the life out of another human being. I am pro-cop. I am generally HARD pro-cop. But this was a bridge way too far in my opinion. I am not going to any protests, that is my choice just as it is yours- but surely it is also your LTR’s choice. Why break up with her for going to a righteous protest?

The only thing fucked up is that she’s calling you racist for not responding the way she is responding. Are you racist? If not, simply tell her that her response is her choice and your response is yours. If she can accept that and stop accusing you of racism, fuck it let her live her life. We can’t all be SJW, women are more likely than men to be, but it doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t be in an LTR with one.

If you actually ARE a racist, well then I’m not sure what to tell you. But it doesn’t sound like you are.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am pro-cop. I am generally HARD pro-cop.

Username checks out.

[–]BlueMyLoad695 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahaha

[–]TreatYouLikeAQuean95 points96 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Yeah man I agree with this response more than any other in this thread.

The video clearly shows murder, these protests are absolutely justified. What goes on at them. . . side effect of those that get off on the power of numbers.

Who cares if your girl goes to the protest? So what. Just stand by your views.

u/DoubleConversation4 says (top comment btw)

> make it clear that she can't go to the protest while she's still your girlfriend

This is terrible advice. Don't give your girl an ultimatum. It makes you look weak and your reputation could possibly take a big hit if she spreads word that you broke up with her because you were trying to control her and not let her go protest a murder.

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[–]BlueMyLoad6911 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I agree with setting boundaries, but this one makes no sense to me. I see these protests as righteous and it makes no sense to me why it would be a boundary for someone to set with their girl. If it’s a big city where the protest is likely to devolve into rioting/looting/rubber bullets and shit - okay, I get it. Otherwise, maybe let her go and feel like she’s making a difference.

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[–]KilluminatiGotti2-5 points-4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ultimatums show strength, how Tf is an ultimatum a weakness....

You’re literally just saying, you do what you gotta do and I’ll do what I gotta do. That’s the ultimate example of maintaining frame. Weakness is trying to reason her out of going or threatening.

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[–]KilluminatiGotti2-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And it’s not “do this or I’ll leave you”, that isn’t even what an ultimatum is. An ultimatum is a mutual exchange of actions resulting in a decision. You don’t need to present it in an authoritative manner. You’re simply conveying to the person that you understand what they want to do, and you are not okay with it for moral reason. If they follow through on that action you will understand, but you will have to leave them because it violated your principles. If you think that’s weak, I’m convinced you must be autistic and socially inept

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[–]KilluminatiGotti2-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way you said it, is still an ultimatum, it’s just an uninformed one and then after they violate your morale you spring it on them and leave. There is very little difference between the 2 actions

[–]KilluminatiGotti2-2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wtf lol I can’t tel if you’re serious “allowing the other person to do what they want”.... he’s not cool with them going, if he allows them to do something he’s not okay with then he’s dwindling in the cuck zone.

I’m not saying to go through life throwing ultimatums at people and being totally disagreeable all the time, be OP clearly expressed that he is not okay with this and it violates his beliefs. An ultimatum is the most gangster thing to do at that point, rather than trying to usurp authority to say she CANT go. That is what creates resentment.

How old are you 🤡

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[–]KilluminatiGotti2-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

“Nah you let her do whatever she wants. And if you don’t like it you leave them” that’s literally exactly what I said, except you’re telling them ahead of time so they have the option to reconsider.

An ultimatum is not intended to be an attempt at controlling anyone. You clearly have the wrong literary definition of what an ultimatum is; so until you google the definition and understand it properly, there’s no point even debating this issue further with you.

[–]blacwidonsfw2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Dude that IS an ultimatum lmao

[–]EnemyAsmodeus-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not sure why this is discussed. The protests are over... Floyd's murderer got charges upgraded and his accomplices have been charged.

It's over.

But yeah don't put ultimatums on a girlfriend. They may have abundance mentality if they are hot. You can definitely agree that Floyd's murder was brutal and horrible too while also agreeing that this isn't some major pattern among police but an isolated incident

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The dude deleted his comments, but yeah agree with your last paragraph

[–]Kokokosnoot0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Buddy the markets are green. Were is that tattoo you promised us?

[–]blacwidonsfw0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stay tuned

[–]Kokokosnoot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll be watching 😂

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[–]blacwidonsfw2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s literally the exact same statement stop playing mental gymnastics. It is the same thing.. she goes you leave. It’s an ultimatum

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[–]blacwidonsfw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But she’s not leaving you. She is going to a protest and because of that your are leaving.... that’s an ultimatum, just cause you rephrase the sentence doesn’t make it any less so....again stop playing mental gymnastics. Be a man if you want to leave then do so, don’t bitch out and be like “oh she left me with her decisions” gtfo here with that pussy shit

[–]LateralThinker130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares if your girl goes to the protest? So what. Just stand by your views.

This girl believes OP's a racist if he doesn't kowtow to her politics. He's a racist by INACTION. That takes this above being a "who cares" issue.

[–]kellykebab88 points89 points  (55 children) | Copy Link

As unjust as Floyd's death is it does not represent a significant pattern in police killings.

This unbelievably massive and often destructive response is clearly due to the last few weeks of selective reporting by the media on white-on-black crimes, even digging so far down as to make headline news out of a minor disagreement between two city park visitors and framing even that as a massive injustice.

In a country of 330 million people, unjust crimes will happen from time to time. Perhaps it is worthwhile to try and minimize them, but the narrative pushing this disproportionate outrage to a single person's death is only going in one direction: white-on-black killings are the tragedy of the century and no other crimes are particularly meaningful.

Never mind the recent (probably race-motivated) killing of Paul and Lidia Marino by a young black man. Never mind the police murder of Tony Timpa (a white man) in 2016 who died much the same way that Floyd died (though was not a criminal or under arrest for any crime). Never mind the fact that these looters have already killed at least one black man, former police officer David Dorn.

And certainly nevermind the greater frequency of police killings of whites than blacks overall or the greater frequency of black citizens killings white citizens more than the reverse.

No crowds of protestors for those events. No celebrity tweets or politicians rushing to placate angry mobs supporting those victims.

This is not a spontaneous, fair-minded movement responding to any and all forms of injustice. It is a single-minded movement that is following one specific narrative driven by selective media coverage: that blacks are perennial victims and whites are perennial oppressors.

If this whole fiasco results in better policing procedures across the country, that's great. But I'm skeptical. Sadly, I think we are only likely to see an uptick in crime in response to all of this, like we did following the Ferguson riots.

Allow too much chaos and destruction to come out of your movement and that is likely to be the legacy.

[–]Original_Dankster37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is absolutely an inter-racial violence problem in the US. It's predominantly the exact opposite of what the leftist media is reporting.

[–]ogpine03254 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, this is a matter of the people versus the state. This has nothing to do with race. Give cops less power, hold them accountable for the shit they get away with, send them to jail just like every other citizen that breaks the law. This will curb police brutality against ALL races.

[–]Original_Dankster2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be ok with that

[–]CareIsMight14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

And you wonder how many innocent white Americans have already been bashed, robbed, assaulted, had their businesses destroyed, and even killed already in revenge attacks, which will go completely unrecorded by the same media which emotionally exploits black Americans to continue looting and rioting.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't want to speculate without evidence, but it does seem like if these crimes occur, they would indeed receive very little coverage. No doubt.

[–]CareIsMight4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good point. However judging by the disproportionate amount of black-on-white hate crimes, mostly assaults, and the last 10 years of seeing innocent whites being randomly assaulted on public cameras in the US and the farm murders in South Africa, it's definitely underreported in the media, and when put in the media it is never used or framed as a massive black-on-white killer conspiracy like what happens in reverse. And of course, I'm not saying this specific one or that one, and in the event of some we'll never know one's true intentions, if we look back at the Knockout Game "youths" were playing a few years ago, basically media codeword for black American men who get up to no good, they were predominantly black-on-white crimes.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and when put in the media it is never used or framed as a massive black-on-white killer conspiracy like what happens in reverse

Very true. Black on white crime is portrayed as uncoordinated and incidental. White on black crime is portrayed as conspired and "systemic."

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just read about this case, which I definitely do not remember hearing about at the time (although tbf I was only 9):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Seems pretty relevant

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[–]kellykebab2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you're the one doing the conflating.

We are expressing concern that the riots in response to the tragic Floyd case may result in attacks on whites by black citizens, not police (although that seems to be happening as well).

And unfortunately, I think many of these "revenge" attacks if they do happen, will receive little coverage. The murder of Paul and Lidia Marino a couple weeks ago by a young black man at the height of the coverage of the Arbery case suggested a strong likelihood of racial motivation, as the victims were an elderly white couple visiting a cemetary and were shot from the surrounding woods by the killer at a distance, with no evidence of prior contact or familiarity between the two parties. That story died completely within about 3 days of it coming out.

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[–]kellykebab2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those killings weren't carried out by officers.

So what?

Our point is that the excess and unbalanced coverage of these stories has produced revenge violence. You can not care about that, but I do.

The problem is not a concern about police brutality, but how racialized this topic has become. Police brutality against other races, particularly whites, is ignored. Black violence in general against whites is ignored. So for much of the public, and especially the low-information part of the public that is most likely to riot and commit crimes, they can only conceive of this as "white people oppress black people as part of a grand conspiracy."

And consequently, they take revenge on white society and in the case of the Marinos, on white individuals.

Maybe you're okay trading lives over this issue. I'm not.

[–]yellowdopamine18 points19 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This is a great response. I agree and I'm not American or white.

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

Asian based on username?

[–]yellowdopamine1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No. Mixed South American

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ah. I thought most South Americans thought of themselves as white. Maybe some more than others and not if mixed.

[–]yellowdopamine2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually, the concept of race here where I live is very different than in US. For example, here any person with light skin is considered white. Descendants of Japanese, Chinese, Arab, Pakistanese, Indian can be white. It doesn't really matter blood or family origin. It's all about the skin color. Because of that it's really really weird for us to see Asian-Americans or a white Mexican-Americans calling themselves people of color. And anybody with a dark screen is considered black (or "negro"). South America is very mixed in general. I certainly have more than 50% European blood, but in American standards I would not be white.

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hmm. Interesting.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the cut-off here in America would be for a Hispanic person to be broadly considered white. Some of it is just appareance, regardless of genetics.

I'd guess somewhere around 80-90% Spanish would be the point most Americans would think someone was white first and foremost and "Latino" second.

George Zimmerman was famously described as being "white" during the Trayvon incident, but I think based on appearance most Americans would think of him as Hispanic. But he was half German, half Peruvian, so definitey at least majority European.

[–]yellowdopamine2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I agree with you.

And I remember watching the Zimmerman case and thinking that the media was calling him white only to fit their narrative. He clearly wasn't white and wouldn't be called white by the media if the circumstances were different.

But yeah Zimmerman is a good example of a guy that would definitely be white here where I live but not in US, in normal circumstances.

[–]kellykebab2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely. That's interesting to know about your situation. I guess some of this stuff is relative to the society.

Regarding Zimmerman, he'd probably be a "POC" if he had been the victim. Which really, when you think about it, is a very perverse way of categorizing social groups.

Also, I'd been on the fence about him, but after digging around lately, it really does sound like he got railroaded even if he was ultimately exhonerated (and admittedly reacted very poorly after the trial). He checked up on someone as a neighborhood watch guy (who also mentored African-American youth) and then got pummeled and attacked by a dude who was like 8" taller than him. Pretty straightforward self-defense.

[–]wyota0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm Peruvian. Most South Americans considered themselves White until the 2000s maybe. Not as common anymore. Everyone who's mixed just says that they're mixed, not White.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Any idea why things changed?

[–]wyota0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reggaeton maybe. Being Spanish/Italian used to be sought after. In Argentina everyone used to be White but after decades of immigration from Peru, non-Whites are seen as "cool."

[–]kellykebab1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Having lived in a Mexican neighborhood where seemingly every car played only Reggaeton at high volume, I would have to say that is bizarre. Easily my least favorite musical genre of all time.

[–]DubbleFUPAwitCheez7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the red pills I was alluding to in my own response. The media has no interest in justice. Thank you, person who has more patience to explain it than me.

[–]marcus8crassus2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]quijote30003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing response

[–]BlueMyLoad694 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Oh man we’re getting too close to a blatant political conversation but I want to just make a quick point. Our job, as citizens, is to hold elected officials and people in authority (ie police) accountable. It’s our duty, because in a democracy the power to govern lays in the consent of the governed. It is not just our choice to hold police accountable for their actions, it is our OBLIGATION. What you’re talking about - killings of white people by blacks, killing of David Dorn by looters, etc - that is no less upsetting to me - but those are criminal acts that are held accountable by the Police. It is NOT my obligation nor my right to police other citizens. And if you’re calling on an angry mob to respond to the criminal acts of black people, we tried that in this country. They were called lynch mobs and I’d much prefer we don’t go back to it.

So I don’t see this as a white/black matter. Like I said, we have equal protection under the law. If they can do that to George Floyd and get away with it, they can do it to you. You can retort they are NOT getting away with it, but they did this in full view of witnesses who they KNEW were filming. They had no fear of consequences, which tells me they are used to getting away with it. It’s not the media coverage that has people upset. It’s the audacity with which this murder was committed and the fact that those who perpetrated this murder are accountable to US.

[–]kellykebab4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This would all sound credible if the Floyd riots were not obviously a response to increased general coverage of white on black "crimes" in general and not just police action (especially Arbery, which I think still may be a legitimate self-defense case or maybe manslaughter, but either way has gone overboard with the charges against the filmer as well as massively disproportionate coverage of the complete non-event that was the disagreement between the black birder and white dog walker in NYC).

This is not a measured, fair-minded response only to police misconduct but a general revolt against perceived "white oppression." A racial oppression with very little evidence to match the perception.

Just look at the latest Ben & Jerry tweet, a politically radical exhortation from a fucking ice cream company.

That's what many of these people believe, not just that the police are poorly trained and occasionally too aggressive.

There is a consistent racial bias in the narrative that has fueled this latest unrest and promoted not only peaceful protest, but also opportunistic violence and theft. There is ample footage of black rioters setting fires, attacking cops, breaking windows and infrastructure and stealing. These people aren't bravely marching against police injustice. They are taking advantage of a misplaced sympathy for "oppressed" black people to commit crimes because they believe the world owes them something. And our contemporary world continues to enable this sentiment.

If the protests did a far better job of distancing themselves from the violence and looting, I would have more sympathy for them even though I believe their complaint is based on selective interpretation of statistical reality.

But the fact that they are reacting to these very rare events, the fact that they only do so when it is black victims (and virtually only then when it is white aggressors), and the fact that they fail to condemn the associated rioting (or even explicitly support it as many of my Lefty former co-workers are doing), suggests to me that this is a movement largely based on racial animus and frankly, an interest in seeing social unrest for its own sake.

[–]vicious_armbar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially Arbery, which I think still may be a legitimate self-defense case...

What’s the world coming to when a young black man has to fear for his life; when stealing a loaded shotgun, barrel first, while punching said gun owner in the face. Shame on us all!

[–]BlueMyLoad690 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Cops can’t do what they did in that video. That was some Nazi-Ass shit that will not happen in America on my watch. The rest of what you’re saying is irrelevant to my assessment of the George Floyd case. Whether it’s race-related or just too much power for the cops right now I applaud the people standing up for our civil liberties. I don’t like the rioting and looting, but the vast majority of the protesters I see interviewed also say they reject the looters and rioting. I don’t know what to tell you, this is a righteous protest IMHO. It sounds like you’re letting some of your preconceived notions cloud your judgement on this instance.

[–]kellykebab3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's pretty easy to dismiss an argument by saying it is "irrelevant" instead of actually engaging with the specific points.

You might see a "majority" of protestors condemning the riots, but I see plenty of my Left-wing social media contacts supporting them. There is a strong element of rebellion for its own sake within this movement, whatever you choose to believe. And the fact that the waters have been muddied will ultimately hamstring this movement.

The constant racializing will also do harm to this movement as it will (and already does) alienate large segments of the U.S. population, who feel attacked by this kind of expression, despite bearing zero responsibility for the worst behavior of some police officers.

A lot of Lefties have these very naive, optimistic attitudes that they can just frame things however they like and because the general public "should" follow along, they will! Well, they won't. You have to actually frame your movement in such a way that it isn't alienating in order to really get it to work.

And more importantly, these people are just wrong about the racial angle. There is ample evidence that cops are not significantly worse to blacks than whites. If you look at percentage of arrestees killed by cops, it is actually slightly greater for whites than for blacks. Once you correct for prior criminal record, sentencing is actually basically dead even for black and white defendents. There are studies which show cops are even less hesitant to shoot white criminals than they are black criminals.

I agree there is evidence that cops are poorly trained and often too aggressive. And the Floyd murder was unbelievably awful. But that is one guy. Turning this into black vs. white is a very destructive idea and will ultimately harm the movement.

[–]BlueMyLoad690 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never said it should be black vs white. In fact I’m against that angle - although I understand why black people feel like it’s a racial issue and I don’t exactly blame them. I’m not saying your other points are wrong or unimportant in the global sense - but they’re irrelevant to my conclusions I made based on that video of George Floyd’s death. This was a ruthless and cold blooded act. Seemed like they meant to kill him, but regardless it looked like they were quite accustomed to doing bad shit and not facing consequences. They didn’t give a fuck about witnesses or videos. That tells me the problem is bigger than just what’s on that 9 minute video.

I don’t have all the answers - fuck I don’t even know what all the questions should be. I know that I can’t stand what I saw on that video and I can’t blame people for outrage. That’s is the extent of my claims and I can’t see how it’s possible to disagree. All side stories of violence and looting criminal activity before and after this moment are still wrong and I still reject them but they do not cloud my vision on that 9 minute video.

I wish you well brotha.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This was a ruthless and cold blooded act. Seemed like they meant to kill him

Agree.

That tells me the problem is bigger than just what’s on that 9 minute video.

Agree.

But I would say the same about the case of Tony Timpa from 2016.

So people should focus on protesting police misconduct and aggression and moral failing in general.

I understand why black people feel like it’s a racial issue and I don’t exactly blame them

Sure. It's because the media has been putting a racialized spin on these cases and selectively covering them for a few decades now. And because the most prominent black leaders frequently absolve the black community from any personal responsibility for their underachievement and lay ALL of the blame for their problems on white society. And elite academia follows suit.

So it's not at all surprising why they think the way they do. It's always going to be more appealing to believe others are responsible for your failings instead of you, yourself. And easy to believe, when that's all you hear.

That’s is the extent of my claims and I can’t see how it’s possible to disagree.

Just make the movement about police brutality in general and stop racializing it. There are MANY cases of black cops mistreating black citizens as well. But that's going to get swept under the rug over this misguided focus on race.

[–]BlueMyLoad690 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think we’re basically in agreement.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough then

[–]almagest-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're already doing it. People of all races are being killed by militarized police. This is an EVERYONE problem and we need to stop it.

[–]southflsup3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think I’ve ever saved a comment until now. You really hit the nail on the head

[–]Son0fMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i hate how everyone tries to focus on the race aspect of this and then tries to discredit it based on that as if that makes police brutality ok.

did everyone all of a sudden forget about Daniel Shaver?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/08/graphic-video-shows-daniel-shaver-sobbing-and-begging-officer-for-his-life-before-2016-shooting/

Or what about that old white dude that got his head fucking cracked open recently?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/05/buffalo-officers-suspended-shoving-man/%3foutputType=amp

there absolutely is an issue with police brutality in our country and just because its only a few cops doesnt mean the rest of the department isnt complicit.

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Police reform should remain as color blind as possible so as to be maximally effective and maximally popular.

[–]kriskros188 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🖐 for common sense ^

Also, never forget, the currency they truly value is $ocial. And SJWs get attention.

[–]KilluminatiGotti25 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How are you “hard pro cop”... they just hide on the roadways with speed guns to extort money out of people all day long..

Cops are the boot stomping on our heads on behalf of the corporate and political oligarchs

[–]BlueMyLoad692 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hard pro cop as in giving them the benefit of the doubt when they’re in a scary situation and they freak out and shoot somebody when it’s not entirely clear what exactly happened. I am slow to judge them, even some of the cases that are still being brought up in the media today as examples of racism seem to me to be at worst a cop that got scared and thought his life was in danger when it wasn’t. Not saying they were right to shoot unarmed people in all those cases, definitely not saying the people who were shot/killed deserved to die - but it’s not always fair to say this cop is a killer/racist/monster. Sometimes they just have a split second to react and they freak out a little and make the wrong call. I could see myself making the same mistakes in some of those situations. They need to operate with some benefit of the doubt in these situations.

But there are a long list of situations when they are blatantly fucking wrong, no amount of nerves/adrenaline can explain what they did. Rodney King video was an instance of this. George Floyd was the worst I ever saw. At least with Rodney King you could say these cops would’ve acted differently if they knew they were being watched/filmed. That’s hardly a pat on the back, but after watching what happened to Floyd by cops who KNEW they were being filmed it changes my perspective.

[–]KilluminatiGotti21 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I get your point and I don’t disagree, but in the larger context; their entire job is basically to be lackeys for the oligarch that’s continually made our lives a living hell. It’s hard for me to support somebody who is being paid to stand between myself and liberty.

[–]BlueMyLoad69-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree the Oligarchy is the problem in the US, but I see it as a political problem. What Liberties do you see yourself being deprived of by the police? I am genuinely interested in your answer and not goading you into a debate, btw.

[–]KilluminatiGotti21 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

At the end of every deprivation of Liberty and sovereignty is the implied threat of police violence.

Let’s say I violate an arbitrary speed limit that I may or may not agree with, a cop will feel entitled to stop my travel and impose a fine against me on behalf of the government. If I refuse to pull over I will be forced over, if I refuse to be handcuffed I will be beaten and tazed. All this because I was safely going 15 mph over the arbitrary limit that the deciders decided we must go.

The police are the human embodiment of the implication of violence for failure to follow rules you may or may not agree with.

It’s not a specific liberty that I’m deprived of per say, a person is either liberated in their entire being, or they’re embedded in the system of arbitrary law enforcement via the aggression principle.

The other day I received a $30 parking ticket because I parked facing the wrong way on my street. And act I have been doing for the past decade which bothers nobody. If I fail to pay their fine the punishment will heighten, if I fail to abide by the heightened increase the consequences will again increase in severity until somewhere down the line somebody is either putting their hands on me or they are stealing my property.

I hope I explained that well, I’m not very articulate today for some reason.

[–]BlueMyLoad691 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I understand what you’re saying...I enjoy a trip over the speed limit myself, in fact I’m CERTAIN that I can drive 85 safer than Karen can drive 65. So I get that. We don’t need to be spoon fed all these laws that are cookie cutter for everyone. Life would be easier in some ways if we could make our own way, like on the frontier back in the day. At the same time though, lots of people lost their lives or livelihoods back in frontier days because someone without scruples had more power than them. It’s a trade off, having law and order vs having none. I super don’t disagree with your premise, and depending on who is in the Oval Office or city hall and how their views intersect with mine I can feel more or less oppressed in each election cycle. But my sister lives alone. My parents are in their 70’s. Both of their houses are 20 plus minutes away from mine. Odds are they’re never going to face violence/burglars or whatever. But if they called me I’d be there in time to kill their murderers as they’re leaving if I’m lucky. I like that they can call 911 and have police at their houses in 5 minutes. I’m willing to trade that security for speed limits.

I don’t know that I’m right and you’re wrong. In fact what your saying sounds a lot like truth to me. But there are trade offs in this world. Other countries with less of a cohesive government rarely look like nice places to live.

I wish you well brotha, stay safe and stay strong.

[–]KilluminatiGotti20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good reply, I’ll preface with the old quote we’ve all heard 100x, but never loses relevance. “Anyone who will trade liberty for safety deserves neither.” Ben Franklin

Now with that being said, yes, I agree we need some form of order, the problem arises when a nanny state takes form. In my city it’s not uncommon to see signs like left turns not permitted mon-fri 10am-2pm & 5pm-7:30pm failure to follow this would presumably cost me a few hundred dollars.

Now the question becomes how do we maintain some form of order and chaos prevention in the commons without having a full blown nanny state. The answer should be obvious, but apparently isn’t. The people must have a tangible militia in place at all times. Every citizen in our society must be a member of the armed services. This way when power becomes too concentrated on a small group of nepotistic elites (which it always has and always will), we (the working class people) have the power to crush the establishment and close the power distance in a routine way.

The government does not have our best interest in mind and hasn’t for a very long time. It doesn’t matter if it’s Clinton, Trump, Obama, Trudeau, BoJo, Nixon, these guys exist only to steal from your earnings, and police are in place merely to act as the muscle.

The final and most important point I’ll make is that, the government holds an ILLUSION of power. Their power is just that, an illusion, nothing more. There are more of us than them, and no amount of military technology would stop us from kicking them to the curb. If the common person becomes too aware of it, we will undoubtedly see a revolution.

[–]RoidedUpKicks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine caring that a guy on lethal doses of fentanyl and meth caused his own heart attack by resisting arrest for 10 minutes. Looks like someone goes on twitter too much. Sad

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[–]MelodyMyst0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Occupy Wall Street maybe?

[–]vicious_armbar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember, George Floyd was a U.S. citizen with equal protection under the law as you or I. If they can do it to him, they can do it to you - they just don’t have a reason to - yet.

George Floyd resisted arrest while high as a kite on fentanyl and meth according to the toxicology report. In fact he had 3 times what would be considered a lethal dose of fentanyl for a first time user in his system. He also had: high blood pressure, heart disease, and a past addiction to cocaine which, like meth; weakens the heart.

Was he choked to death, in broad daylight, by an officer wearing a body camera, that was aware of bystanders filming the entire thing? Maybe.

But it’s at least as likely that he died of a fentanyl overdose. Or a heart attack (one of the symptoms is shortness of breath) after a prolonged period of physical exertion from resisting arrest.

[–]bert_cj1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree 1,000%. It is a righteous protest. If she wants to go he should support her, and she should support his decision to not want to go.

[–]Shitcuckedredditsays146 points147 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Your LTR calls you a racist? If your LTR doesn't adopt your views to some degree or at least accept them then she doesn't respect you = waste of time being in LTR with this

[–]DrGandu26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Username checks out. Don’t be a cuck OP

[–]antariusz-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My LTR laughs at retarded SJW logic and goes and shoot guns with me and even started to adopt world of Warcraft despite never playing a computer game before meeting me. Focus on cultivating a more interesting life for yourself and your LTR will want to please you, currently you're wanting to please her, which is the opposite of how it should be. You're, ironically, too concerned about what she (and other people) thinks of you, and she is not aroused/attracted to that, you're failing basic TRP sidebar type stuff, instead of leading, you're following the crowd.

[–]Stunning22225 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In a similar position where I know there is societal pressure mounting on her tryna cuck me. Shes never brought up SJW shit so I know she still treads carefully.

She can post insta slacktivism all she wants, but the moment she brings it up as a topic to me, and she doesn't shut the fuck up when I laugh in her face, is the moment i'm leaving. I'm so sick of all this modern day bullshit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

" LTR wants to go to BLM protest"

Hey not a bad double date. We can all have a self-pity orgy

[–]The1ndex66 points67 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I expect any strong and independent woman to be out there rioting, looting, and protesting. They love drama, attention, and emotion. They are herd animals, so what the herd does, they follow.

This is a fine line to interpret. If she’s goes, and you don’t, she will respect you less.

Remember, you DO NOT explain your reasoning to women. Do not DEER. You lead, she follows.

Your woman asking you about BLM is probably going to be one of the biggest shit tests some guys have ever been hit with.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro BLM.

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[–]MrAnderzon2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m spitballing here because idk what I would say. Would respond with: don’t want to talk about it, agree and say yes this sucks and change the subject

You can ignore with:

I rather not talk about it. Let’s talk about something more positive/fun. Forget what’s happening for a few hours

Donated to a couple organizations. Change subject to something fun/positive

Agree & Amplify:

I’m protesting in a certain manner that I can not talk about or it would ruin the movement

[–]The1ndex4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the thing - your woman is not entitled to receive answers and reasoning from you. You can aa/am or ignore her.

[–]Rudeyyyy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I can show my support through other ways.” That’s what I do. Donate, repost things on social media, etc. I’m not going to the protests. I’m all for it but I’m not putting myself in that situation.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t get me wrong, I’m pro BLM.

Why?

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, someone pro-herd preaching against herd animals.

[–]GraphiteIsInPencils68 points69 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

All of these basic white girls all of a sudden becoming black lives activists is just major virtue signaling and following trends. Women are trend followers and as awful as it sounds, what's going on right now is "hot news".

I want this police brutality to stop but all the violence, looting, and stupid decisions both rioters and police are making is making me pretty apathetic towards the situation.

I'm a sheltered white boy in the suburbs. This isnt my battle to fight. Going to these "peaceful" protests feet away from destruction and rubber bullets is a very dangerous thing to do. I only allow my girl to go to protests outside of the city.

The only thing I can do is continue not being racist myself and be glad I'm white.

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[–]youngfuture730 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup. It won’t stop, ever. Just watch the movie “Das experiment”. Giving someone power they’re not used to changes their mentality. Most police officers are generally not smart so giving them power makes it even worse.

[–]GraphiteIsInPencils1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep and when I tell people that racism and brutality will never end they get mad and call me a nihilist and think I'm racist

[–]ogpine03250 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. t's called holding police accountable for their actions. End qualified immunity. Now. Cops are supposed to serve the people. Putting them above the law will result in power hungry freaks that get away with murder.

[–]wzachmorris20 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Dude i mean i think it’s great you recognize that you’re a sheltered white boy from the suburbs, but then you follow it up with “ this isn’t my fight” and I just don’t understand. I’m also a sheltered white boy from the suburbs but I feel like that makes it more of my fight.... it’s sheltered white people that have power, and representation. If black people were equally empowered and represented, cops would be scared to treat black people the way they do. By going out and protesting, being present and using your voice and platform to signal solidarity with the cause, you can use your privilege to help others. At some point I realized this. Maybe cause I’ve gotten arrested 5 times or lived in South America. But some people didn’t do anything wrong, they just weren’t born white. And that should never be a disadvantage in a country founded on equality and justice for all

[–]aDrunkenWhaler1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are being cucked by the media rethoric.

https://wmbriggs.com/post/31130/

[–]wzachmorris2-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No dude, everyone saw George Floyd, Ahmaud arbery get killed. There's is no right or left to that. You can accommodate for diversity in Universities and corporate jobs as much as you want, but if you're white you'll never fear for your life just because of your skin color. And unless you are not white, you will never know anything about how that feels. Do yourself a favor and make some friends that aren't white. and I'm not talking about your token black friend that is wealthy and went to Harvard. If you really want to account for diversity, we should have cops start killing unarmed white people.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

but if you're white you'll never fear for your life just because of your skin color. And unless you are not white, you will never know anything about how that feels

You are an idiot. If whites walk around in many black neighbourhoods they would get fucked up. Why? Because of their skin color. Tell me, how many white neighbourhoods do you know that beat up black people on the street just because they are black?

If I see a group of black people I will probably cross the street. Not because I'm racist, but precisely because I fear for my life because of my skin color. So yeah, you're talking out of your ass.

Probably all countries that are not white are racist towards white people, one way or another.

Do yourself a favor and make some friends that aren't white. and I'm not talking about your token black friend that is wealthy and went to Harvard. If you really want to account for diversity, we should have cops start killing unarmed white people.

Fuck diverisity. Also, cops are killing unarmed white people, more than black people.

You are a sheep and a parrot believing what the media wants you to believe.

[–]wzachmorris2-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Alright you little internet troll, how about you just come out as racist. I’ve lived in Colombia, South America, and I was given nationality there, first off cause I learned to love and appreciate the people and the culture, and also probably because I’m white. Everyone in South America loves white people, assuming they aren’t scared of diversity. You’re obviously scared of black people cause you don’t know anything about them. Whites do not get beat up for just being in a black neighborhood, but black people do get shot and killed for being in a white neighborhood, unless you didn’t notice that whole Treyvon Martin case. You need to get out of your bubble bro. Live a little. Get arrested. Get a passport. Date outside your race, but I don’t think you would ever do any of that shit because you seem to be racist. Just come out and say it instead of making bullshit excuses. At Least you won’t be a liar and a racist.

[–]GraphiteIsInPencils0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree with you. When I said "this isnt my fight" I didnt just mean as a white boy. I mean personally. Theres already plenty of media coverage and white people protesting right now so I dont want to put myself in immediate danger. Maybe that means I dont care enough but I'm not putting my life on the line for violence.

[–]PCM970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re in the exact same position as me

[–]LabelMeIntrovert0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Police brutality is not “hot news” it’s been going on for decades, there is a line, and LE continuously crosses it, therefore you get the result of what is happening. As you said though, you’re white, so you would never understand.

This isn’t just about police brutality, it’s a big picture. I feel like white people who continuously give opinions on something they know fuck all about, or can’t relate to is rather irresponsible.

[–]RockIsMyth28 points29 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Wow, thought TRP was based? I’m seeing so many ignorant weak comments.

BLM is a lie. It was created to appeal to bleeding hearts. Companies and politicians that take advantage of this are disgusting too. Manipulation at its finest.

They give zero fucks about black lives unless the black person was killed by an eViL WhItE CoP.

OP - I would let her make the decision to go, but you do what’s best for you. Don’t let her and her friends guilt you into this.

If I were a betting man, my money is on her and her friends not actually doing shit about shit other than changing their social media profile pictures and walking in the street. Makes them feel like they’re helping, but in reality it’s all about actions.

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001?s=21

[–]legitniga18 points19 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Facts. More whites are killed by police than blacks, despite blacks having a violent crime rate 300-400% higher than their population proportion in the US. 13% of whites killed by police are unarmed, 17% of blacks killed by police are unarmed. That 4% differential is where you get the entire BLM movement from, its completely overblown and massively exaggerated. The whole issue is socioeconomic more than anything, racism is a small factor.

[–]RockIsMyth12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s also important to mention that your 13% and 17% numbers are for all crime. Violent crime is even more telling - 4 whites killed by cops per 10k... 3 blacks per 10k. Whites have a higher chance of dying as a result of a violent crime. Crazy huh? It’s only crazy because we are being told to believe the opposite.

[–]legitniga4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For sure, they don’t want to hear about this though. It ruins their narratives. They want you to just feed into the media, don’t pay attention to the facts, let them control your thoughts or else you’ll be shunned and outcast.

[–]RockIsMyth4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, my fellow based one. Thanks for using your noggin. Racism is a small factor, absolutely, but consider these two components. Racism is part of life. Let me be clear, that is not saying it’s ok or we should be passive about it, that’s just the reality. Show me a nation that isn’t racist in their own way? I can show you plenty that are in fact much more racist than the US is. It’s also very obvious in nature. We’ve coined the term race, but animals prejudge other animals all the fucking time. Again, I have to be careful because smooth brains will misinterpret my words - doesn’t mean we ignore it! Secondly, other than Africa, the US has the highest population of blacks by far. No one else is even close to the US. Perhaps some (or all) cultures just aren’t meant to be so integrated. Look up what Muhammad Ali said. He was all about it. Many other countries keep to themselves, in fact its been the primary way of humankind for our entire existence.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Of course more whites are killed by police than black people, but here's a statistic that you guys love to throw out. Black people only make up 13% of the population, yet the police killings in the United States of Black people are only within the margin of 100 compared to police killings of white people.

[–]legitniga10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is throwing that out. The black community is 13% of the population, but they’re responsible for a large portion of the murder/violent crimes in America, more than half by some statistics.

“According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey.

This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests.”

from https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime

As to your point about police killings:

https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Yes, the black community is being killed 2.5x more (proportionally to percentage of population) than the white community.

However, when you take the statistics above into account, you’ll see that the black community is also committing violent crimes at a rate 3-4x higher than their population in the country.

In context you can see that the death to crime ratio isn’t out of the ordinary.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Socioeconomic factors have shown that black people tend to live in impoverished areas. It is simple to conclude that more crime occurs in an area that is stricken from poverty than in the suburbs.

Arrests that occur in response to crime seems to be a correlation, I don't dispute that. The issue is that you're extrapolating arrests and crimes with police killing the suspect. Many of these crimes can result in arrests, as you mentioned previously.

A higher number of arrests in a specific demographic should not imply that this is the causality behind killing the suspect.

The death to crime ratio is definitely peculiar.

[–]legitniga2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree that socioeconomic factors are the main issue, not racism.

And more white people are killed by cops while committing a lesser percentage of crime... if anything that makes the white death/crime ratio peculiar.

Moral of the story, I think we’re mistaking issues that are based largely on socioeconomic factors and poor police training with racism.

[–]DubbleFUPAwitCheez5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you think about the fact that even wealthy blacks commit more violent crime than their socioeconomic peers means? Are they all rappers and it's the driving factor? You people really want to act "based" but you're afraid to drill deeper.

[–]legitniga-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean I definitely think that black culture is generally hyper-aggressive and violent compared to other races. I don’t think its genetic or anything like that though, I’d probably chalk it up to most blacks only being a few generations removed from poverty or near-poverty and growing up in rough conditions.

[–]DubbleFUPAwitCheez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree and that is an expensive experiment which I flat out fucking detest but it looks like the one we're going with so I hope you're right.

[–]RockIsMyth2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bruh that’s why I mentioned per 10k. Reducing it down to the same sample size is a much better statistic than a total. So your ‘of course they kill more whites but’ comment is invalid when you look at that.

THE TRUTH IS WHITES AND BLACKS DIE AT THE SAME RATE. Whites just hold their race to a higher standard. STRAIGHT UP. I see a White guy fight a cop and die I’m just like shit, he deserved it. When a black guy does it it’s ‘poor guy was innocent!’

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are u retarded? Reducing the sample size is never better than the total. In fact, increasing the sample size is one of the scientific principles that will always instill more accurate conclusions. That’s literally the first thing that’s critiqued whenever you do scientific research.You cant just cherry pick the situations. If you’re throwing hands with a cop, that’s a pretty dumb thing to do; but George Floyd was laying on the ground when he was murdered.sure, it happens to white people too, but when such a large sample size of a demographic complains of the same issue, perhaps they aren’t crying wolf.

[–]VojvodaSrpski13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This sub has become a total leftist shithole like all other parts of Reddit, where mainstream liberal opinions on society rule supreme.

[–]aDrunkenWhaler2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At least 90% of people posting here are fucking morons and sheep.

https://wmbriggs.com/post/31130/

[–]RockIsMyth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This article nails it.

[–]HotDamImHere0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

You mean like the action of protesting?

[–]RockIsMyth3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Are you inferring that walking down the road for a couple hours is leading to change? Protesting is fine and our absolute right, I have zero issues with it, but I’ve always viewed it as an act to get a message out. Not anything that leads to real change. That’s activism. The message in this protest is something we are all well aware of. Name three wrongful killings of blacks committed by cops? Cool, bet you just fired off three names in your mind. Now, name three whites? crickets If someone says that’s because whites aren’t wrongfully killed by cops, that’s objectively false. So my point is BLM = false narrative. Police brutality is what she should be protesting.

[–]HotDamImHere0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Because it coined the term BLM and brings up the disproportion of police aggression against blacks compared to other race, means it has a false narrative? This is why we have the problem. The entire civil rights movement was focused on racial discrimination against blacks HOWEVER it was for the benefit of ALL races; blacks, asians, hispanics and any other race that felt the racial bias. This is why it needs to be taught in school. Police brutality has been problematic for all races but affect those of color drasitically more hence the uprising using the blacks as a focus point because it seems that their lives are worth less than any other race. But don't twist the fact that any reform is not in the benefit for all civilians because blacks are the focus point.

What you think is happening? BLM is pushing to have cops be less aggressive to blacks and black only? Whites and other races feel the sting too, thats why its a fight we all should be involved in.

[–]RockIsMyth1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What disproportion of treatment are you referring to? Who said their lives are worth less? What’s leading you to make these claims? Where are you getting your information from? How do you know it affects those of color drastically more?

Watch this for my stance on the matter. It’s short.

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1268309646034432001?s=21

[–]HotDamImHere3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Number 1: When they countered BLM with "All lives matter", I started to trust that point of view less. Its like when you see commericals of someone saying please donate to the dogs and cats at the rescue shelther because dogs and cats are special, someone at home on their arm chair is yelling "well all animals are special!". You aint wrong, but its an attempt to divert attention to that actual message.

Number 2: Im not a leftist. So it being a political move to enslave me in a "vote only Democrats" bubble doesn't apply to me

Number 3: I totally agree when police shoots an individual in self defense, its just police "doing their job the person was dangerous", and thats how it should be. However its the minor details thats overlooked. Who do you feel is more dangerous? A White female or black male, if you happen to cross paths with them. What about if the individual is poor or rich, whose life would you likely weigh more valuable? What if he "Looked" like a criminal.

I think the failure here is perception. And it often dictates actions of other individuals based off that perception.

I got a true story that happened maybe less than a year ago with a couple of my buddies. One day we were driving up to another state for an event. The drive was maybe like 4 hours so we stopped to get gas and snacks around half way mark. Im black and I was wearing a du-rag at the time (to get them waves fresh for the event). I got out the car and proceed to head to the actual store at the gas station to use the bathroom inside, but the store door was locked and I saw one person thru the glass window who was the worker. Through the window I asked is the bathroom opened? He said no.

Im like dam I have to piss bad so i started to head to the side of the building to take a piss, but from the stores angle he could still see me and motioned me in a way that it is not okay for me to piss on the side of the building (to my defense, I was hidden enough where public couldn't see me unless you was looking for me inside the store at an angel and it was dark). I was like dam, thats fair Im just going to have to hold it. At this point the person picks up the phone and starts talking to whomever (I assumed the police but idk) and I start to freak out alittle bit. I walk over back to the car and my buddy who is white jumps out the car and asked if I used to the bathroom cause he was next. I told him the story and he proceeds to walk towards the store.

The store guy immediately sees him walking towards and opens the door and goes "Oh you can use the bathroom" and hands over keys to my friend (the bathroom ended up being on the side of building). This baffled the both of us.

At first I wrote it off "maybe the guy didnt know and had to call his manger to see if we could use the bathroom". But then it dawned on us that my friend never asked to use the bathroom and was handed the key. He just simply walked over and it was like instantly perception of who we were was changed.

It seems minor at first, it even could be met with counter arguments. But when little things like this happen throughtout your lifetime, you start to see a pattern. Sometimes its big enough to spark an enlightment.

I could go on and on but its hard to articulate it in a way that someone who isnt really there to experience it to understand. Its kinda of how you trpers feel against the world.

[–]RockIsMyth3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good stuff. No need to apologize for the ‘wall’ of text - wasn’t bad at all. You took the time out to write and are showing that you actually want to talk about it instead of blaming and letting the fact that you’re behind a keyboard get the best of the conversation.

I definitely feel like the main issue right now is that people aren’t ready for certain conversations. They want to simplify it on racism, on cops, on the president, but they offer no solutions and really no strong arguments outside of surface talk.

About that video and then talking about it the left controlling a side. Malcolm X said: "The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn't taken, tricked or deceived by the white liberal, then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America, the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man." This is what they’re referring to and imo it is blatantly obvious.

About your story, that clerk is a dipshit and needs a swift kick in the nuts. I’m sorry shitty people like him exist, but that will never change. I can travel the world and I will be mistreated as a minority just like you have been. NOT excusing it, but you can’t show me a society where that shit doesn’t happen. It’s a global law of reality for whatever reason.

Thanks again for taking the time to talk about it. If any REAL change is going to happen, it’s going to come from people with differing views opening up and accepting the possibility that the other view has substance.

Dig. Deep.

[–]HotDamImHere1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree 100%

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was certainly a bad thing. But your point is obviously anedoctal.

This whole protest is about statistics that don't exist or are overblown like crazy and made up to create drama.

Reason i don't like BLM is because it stems from false narratives and lies. And some people here and twins are calling that out.

[–]HotDamImHere0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You see, thats the thing. In my view its not only about statistics. Its stems from personal experience just like you may have an opinion about BLM based from experiences that shaped your view. Racism isn't "in your face" or "by law" as it used to be or as media projects it to be, that I can agree with. Shit I'd even go as far as saying BLM sometimes drop the ball enough to sometimes discredits them, but it doesn't mean that their point is straight up invalid.

BLM is very deeper than that. I believe the closest comparison is the wealth vs the poor. There is absolutley no way a person who has been rich their whole lives or given the nessessary tools (aka advatanges) to be wealthy and stay wealthy could possibly understand how it is to be living in poverty. The poor could try their best and explain their point of view, but would never beable to paint that picture and would often be met with rebuttals like "get a better job" or "stop being lazy" white not considering other factors that are sometimes beyond our control.

Let me throw another story at you as I try and paint the best picture possible for you to understand me alittle bit, please bare with me, this happened around the end of February before the corona really took off.

My girlfriend and I, along with my family went to a cruise. Now we got there alittle bit earlier than expected but waited around until they let us in. While waiting, security was performing their usual rounds. 1 guard in particular was pacing around with a dog (A canine that is trained to sniff out narcotics or bombs or whatever). Now when things are going to status quo, usually nothing really in particular sticks out in a normal day, but for some reason it peaked our interest that this specific guard nonchalantly circles us about three times.

Odd? Not quite, my step dad (white) is an avid 420 smoker, was smuggling some devil lettuce into the cruise, so we all knew deep inside the guard must caught a whiff of that good stuff when he walked by us. Funny enough the dog wasn't really reactive, it was more so that security guard knew someone in my group had weed but didn't know who and I guess wanted the dog to react to that scent. It didnt bother me much because I knew what was going on.

My step dad being as keen as he is, picked up my baby sister as a reaction to the guards movements, and said something of the sort "Look it's a doggie, wave at the doggie", which was totally out of character for him, so I knew it was his attempt to I guess deter the guards from suspecting him by projecting the image of a responsible dad (Which he is, who just smokes lol).

Now none of my brothers whom are also black and I had weed on them nor did my girlfriend who is spanish, and of course I had to have a durag on to keep them waves fresh for the cruise, (Im starting to think its the durags fault lmfao) so I stood out. The guy immediately stops by me and announced to the group while maintaining a suspicious eye on me that drugs are not allowed on the ship so if you have them please discard them.

We all stood there quiet like "okay?" knowing it was my step dad who was the pot smoker and reeked like hella kush. We know the guy was doing his job, and I understood that I "Looked" like a guy that smokes weed, so no problems there. He leaves, we get on this crowded line, to then get on another crowded ass line to get our bags checked and scanned like the TSA.

Like an hour passes, and through the giant mess of multiple lines, and mass people I get seperated from the rest of my family in different lines, and its just my girlfriend and I. You know how as you get closer to the line, you keep looking at the front maybe counting how many people is infront of you to pass by time, or analyzing who will be checking your bags or the process, you know? The dumb little shit we do while waiting for time to pass? Just being generally more observant. I see 2 people like the TSA doing their jobs, 1 person guiding people past the metal detectors, and the other checking the bag from the xray computer thing.

Well I get closer and closer to the front and OUT OF NO WHERE the guard without the dog this time, comes up to those 2 workers and just stands by them starring at me. I'm like man this guy either really involved with his job or out to get me lmfao. I do the normal routine, throw my bags on the xray thing, and walk through the metal detectors and he pulls me over for "additional screening" lol. I'm like mannnnnnnn this guy needs a raise bro. He askes me again do I have drugs, I say no, they check everything they could. He couldn't find anything. Im sure he couldn't smell it anymore too cause It wasnt me who had it it was my dad who stunk of it, that happened to be in another line and had no problem getting through. They let me through.

But the guys face thoughtout that process and after I was like mannnnnn, its like inside he felt I was guilty, and his instincts was screaming at him that I was. I mean who could blame him, the group smelled like weed, Blacks smoke weed, I had the only durag on and im younger so I fit even more of a description of a black criminal and stood out. It by reason made sense. But gotdam he was so dead wrong. And the guy guiltly was the one he least expected. My white step father lol. We laugh about it now, and we did laugh before too, and im pretty chill about it, but it matters, its reality. It happened.

Its little instances like these, that keep happening thoughtout someones life time. It starts to add up. They don't have to be the extreme outliners situations like floyd or sean bell. But as blacks and as a community we understand it naturally. We just get it, ya know? Cause it happens in all doses to alot of us. To the mass of us in small doses but it is often enough to leave a mark and enough that I don't even have to know that black person to feel like we have a connection and understand whats could be happening to them. Its all those small little details that are often left out in a story that often convey a different story.

I think blacks just had a tipping point. Its years and years of all of this happening and boom we hit another outliner situation and it blew up. Is BLM perfect? Hell no, but America isn't perfect either yet and people still get upset if people kneel during the anthem and then proceed to preach about being patriotic.

Dam this was longer than my last post, im so so sorry for the wall of text. But its really hard trying to convey the actual message. A picture is worth a thousands words, so how could one possibly convey a movie of life experiences into text?

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for interesting info.

You misunderstood me. But I know what you mean. I totally acknowledge your struggle don't worry and it's really sad but it's beyond any of us it goes down to the root to the core nature of humans.Let me explain.

I will write long one in return lol.Here is how I look at it and why we view it differently. Is there a bias when it comes to just how you look? Absolutely. But I don't that's a race problem specifically. It's just one of countless things. And I don't think Blm can change that at all. It's beyond race it's something that is at core of humans.

And that is our subconscious reactions to look. It's not only human on human reactions and opinions. It's more than that. It even extends to animals. And it's undeniable.

And the problem is something that causes people like you to suffer is no one wants to acknowledge it or admit it.

But here are few out of countless examples. How do people perceive really short vs really tall man? Who they think is more successful in life and better to be friends with? Who is more likely to be popular and leave better first impression? How about face? Who are people going to suspect more if murder or rape of a child happened a really beautiful young guy or old balding man with crooked teeth and huge ugly eyes? Who will people have more confidence in all things equal. A small guy with weak and small frame or a tall guy with chiseled facial features ect. ect.

Here are even my personal experiences with that. All people in all of this are white just like me one is from what I saw and one is with me directly involved.

For example something similar to your experience. I was in training for a job. And there was this douche professor who no one liked and who gave lecture to huge number of us in large classroom. He felt like guy with a lot of confidence issues who always has to prove something to others and show his dominance.Later on we split in smaller groups and go to different smaller rooms to specalise in our jobs. And all people in my class are normal people mostly girls and some weak looking guys. I'm only one who is soild looking nothing special but special in this class and i have strong build. So when that aggressive asshole male professor entered who do you think he immediately started picking on? Me of course. Because he felt challenged by me even though I did nothing not even look at him. And he was so annoying that whole time he lessened enjoyment of the training for sure lol. He would constantly pick on me and require more from me than anyone else. It became a meme in class. He didn't concentrate on anyone else and he always wanted to show his dominance over me.

Or once when I was well dressed and at my best shape a girl I just met said to a friend that she could tell I was a good human being by the way I looked. Doesn't it sound same as skin color problem you face? Although it wasn't problem for me it's same it's a prejudice. And it isn't just about skin color it's just something similar to subgroup of larger thing and that larger thing no one wants to acknowledges is looks.

Here is second example something I saw even more brutal. Again all people are white except one which make this even more interesting because she wasn't a victim here. We were picking fruit in the summer. We had a team and all of us were average normal looking people with minor differences in size and strength. But there was this one guy with a face that is a textbook definition of criminal looking face. And I'm going to be honest I as well as everyone else in that group was cautious around him from the get go. No one was awere that it was because of looks except me (which is important when it comes to a point I'm trying to make) but that didn't stop me from judging him subconsciously even though I was fully aware of it that's how deep it goes. Later on I became good friends with him he even gifted me a hat. He was really nice quiet guy. Unfortunately he didn't have same luck when it came to others. Everyone absolutely hated him. They even started making conspiracies about how they saw things in home in different order then they left them and how he was the one doing all that stuff. People started hating him so much from the first day that they put bags on their doors where they slept so they could fall if he entered to kill them at night lol. It even became so bad that boss had to fire him and send him home. And all the people were white except one who was back. And when we were discussing our opinions of him while picking fruits in the field I said to them you shouldn't judge book by the cover cliche I know lol but true. And you know who said I agree despite judging him the whole time? Black women who no one was suspicious of. So looks even have stronger impact then just race. And after she agreed that we shouldn't judge book by the cover she continued to talk about how he must be horrible person lol. So even after I reminded her of that she immediately afterwards continued, it's that strong and it goes that deep down.

It's all about looks. And race is unfortunately part of something that is probably impossible to change unless generations pass,because it's subconscious.

And now some group like Blm comes along as says that they can change something that goes that deep down? By doing what breaking things and attacking random white people? With claims of systematic white oppression of balck people by the police and state? Is it possible to rebel like that against some I talked about? I personally don't think so.

Can that rebelling make black people feel less bad about being black and less like main characters so to speak (because they often mention that white characters are main characters in stories and attack that)? Maybe I don't personally believe it but I do consider it a possibility. But does it require these extreme measures? In my opinion definitely no. Should protests against police brutality be as brutal as they are? In my opinion definitely yes. But that's the thing I said so many times here. This should be about police brutality but priorities got totally shifted.

I saw a post that went viral about a girl saying that violence now is justified because slaves didn't sing some song and then got released. And I'm thinking what is she talking about? What is she even comparing slavery to now? What slavery is she talking about? And how are people gonna break free from that imaginary slavery by destroying things? Only slavery I see is slavery that all of us are going to be under. A slavery governed by the state and government. And that's what we all should fight against. That's when that video would make sense. And that's when all this violence on protests would make sense.

Now back to the question of can Blm and similar groups make black people feel like main characters and why I said I don't think so. It's because I don't think balding small guy with ugly face would ever feel like main character. It's because we deep down don't believe main characters in story of life look like that. We feel like spotlight is reserved for special beautiful people not for average or ugly, ugly will always feel like side characters. Now someone might say it can change through generations but I don't think that's true because it's in our genes it in our core nature in deepest part of us and I don't think it will ever change.

We can only make laws that forbid certain things when they must be forbidden (like murder, slavery, torture) but we can't erase truths of nature.

Like how women will always hate deformed guys and like more good looking guy.

I was always awere of looks. I always paid attention to how they shape our perception. That's why I think I see ugly truth many others don't see or don't want to acknowledge, but it's there.

This time I'm the one who is sorry for long post idk what got into me lol.

[–]HotDamImHere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry for the wall of text dude

[–]DoubleConversation4122 points123 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

People don't go to BLM just because they really give a fuck about black lives

Or any protest

They go because it makes them look good in front of their peers

Or

They go because they're prone to manipulation and lack the skill to make decisions for themselves

Both are red flags

You're not overreacting, make it clear that she can't go to the protest while she's still your girlfriend

[–]a-large-L94 points95 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

The most virtue signaling I’ve ever seen in a span of one week. It’s disgusting and obvious the ones that are using it for clout.

[–]The1ndex45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Virtue signaling 100%

[–]DoubleConversation433 points34 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly

And one question

Did all these protests make you have more sympathy or less sympathy for black lives?

They're fucking looting stores, it obviously is going to have a bad effect generally

  • Less sympathy for black lives

  • More sympathy for the government

It shows either how attention seeking you are, or how less of a person you are

Both are very clear red flags

Not even going in depth, but everything seems so fake

[–]a-large-L31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you can see the social engineering going on, it tends to make you disgusted and not want a part of any of it.

The amount of attention seeking and online slacktivism is just insane to me.

The equivalent to 1 like = 1000 prayers when an African child dies from starvation on Facebook, however feels even more phony somehow.

[–]TeanLemonz-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We found our local racist.

[–]HumanSockPuppet15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You're not overreacting, make it clear that she can't go to the protest while she's still your girlfriend

I would frame it in a slightly different way.

OP should imply that if she decides to go, she has decided to break up with him. Because only a woman who doesn't care about his perspective would do that.

Put the responsibility in her hands.

[–]RStonePT4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IME ive found girls always call those, assuming them to be bluffs. Now, I assume it wouldn't be, so at this point you may as well just break up for her even bringing that up.

I like the wording:

"I dont date people who x" which has a softer touch but equal follow-through

[–]DoubleConversation43 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

^

This is what I was trying to say

But people take it as an "ultimatum"

[–]TheDeadlyZebra1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't ultimatums seem weak and petty?

I feel like a man should be more decisive and simply next.

[–]HumanSockPuppet7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's just it - it's not an ultimatum.

An ultimatum would be, "If you go to this protest, I will break up with you."

What we're saying here is, "In the past, girls who did stuff like this were never serious about dating me long-term."

The difference is subtle, but it's there. It shifts the decision to end the relationship onto her.

[–]_the_shape_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

According to OPs post though, she hasn't made her move. It would be utterly impulsive and unmanly to break up with her if she hasn't even attended (yet).

The test of his decisiveness would come after she made her move. Will he put his money where his mouth is, or will he fold and give her a pass just this one time ("...but no, seriously babe - please don't do that again")

[–]ViolentInteger10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I protest my gun rights being taken away because I strongly believe in personal protection and the defense of democracy.

So fuck off with this "all protesting = you're a puppet" cock-barf.

[–]ChemicalGiraffe-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, this is what you call privilege. Oh it doesn't affect me so I won't do anything, but hey I have to convince myself those who are doing something about it are puppets. The same way you feel about your rights is the same way most people protesting feel about theirs.

[–]kriskros184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You missed hook up opportunities with Tyrones.

[–]Beegoop2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Or any protest

Absolutely the most idiotic take I've ever seen on civil disobedience.

I'd love for you to elaborate on that, since it's such a black and white situation. Just so I get it right, all protests are misplaced?

All of them? So Hong Kong was just playing a joke? Or shit, I don't know, the civil rights movement?

Shit, lemme go back to the good ol' days of the French Revolution, maybe even the Boston Tea Party. These people didn't care at all, huh?

Absolutely moronic.

[–]DoubleConversation40 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah yeah dude you're the smartest one in the bunch, thanks for enlighting us with information you learned from the history class you took in high school

I was going to write a long text explaining every single thing that you are supposed to understand before partaking in such discussion. But I encourage you to think for yourself, let's see if you can do that

I've never said a thing about protests

It was about protesters - protesters that categorised under threat levels

Look at what BLM threatens - and what kind of virtue signalling is there for protesters with low threat levels

Look at what kind of relationships do China and Hong Kong have - what does Hong Kong government means - and what does that bill that's supposed to pass threaten

It's all about threat level to the individual

What you've said could actually persuade a person without the knowledge of even the basics

Please do some basic thinking

[–]Beegoop1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah yeah dude you're the smartest one in the bunch, thanks for enlighting us with information you learned from the history class you took in high school

Oh, you're MAD mad.

It's probably a good thing you didn't write out a bigger comment seeing as how it doesn't look like you can write for shit considering how much of a jumbled mess this rambling comment is.

For as big as it is, you manage to say nothing except somehow talk about arbitrary "threat levels" that you never mentioned or implied in your OP.

Look at what BLM threatens.

What. What does it threaten? If it's on the protesters to threaten - as you imply with that stupid assertion - what does/did the Hong Kong protests "threaten."

You say you never said a thing about protests, but are protesters not belonging to... a protest? See, me and my big big brain would think that by judging protesters protesting as a group (a protest) you would be judging - here it comes - that particular protest.

You're literally talking about the event, which is the protesters lmfao. You cannot separate protesters from their protest, because that's their entire name sake, and as a result their cause, whatever it may be.

You said that people don't go to BLM protests because they give a fuck about black lives. That is absolutely fucking stupid, there's no argument. You are asserting that there is not even a single person out of MILLIONS that care about the alleged cause, and then you extend this to "any protest"

They go because it makes them look good in front of their peers

Or

They go because they're prone to manipulation and lack the skill to make decisions for themselves.

Since you plainly said "any protest" and you are too stupid to not think in absolutes, I guess that any means any and all, right? If not you would know not to type something so stupid.

It's all about threat level to the individual What you've said could actually persuade a person without the knowledge of even the basics

Please do some basic thinking

Fuck are you even saying you goof? Please do some basic thinking before you type garbage like this, to top that off you think the solution to OP's problem is an ultimatum LMFAOOO.

I'm not the smartest one of the bunch, but you're obviously in the ranks of the dumbest, even on pure apolotical TRP standards. A fucking ultimatum. What a joke.

[–]DoubleConversation41 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not an ultimatum lol

[–]Beegoop0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

make it clear that she can't go to the protest while she's still your girlfriend

Actual moron. Probably why you deleted your posts on the other guy calling out how stupid that ultimatum is.

[–]DoubleConversation42 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't have to teach people what an ultimatum is, the people who have never heard of the word in their lives until they read it on The Rational Male. Loool man sounds like you're having an angry day

Quoting from HumanSockPuppet:

"That's just it - it's not an ultimatum.

An ultimatum would be, "If you go to this protest, I will break up with you."

What we're saying here is, "In the past, girls who did stuff like this were never serious about dating me long-term."

The difference is subtle, but it's there. It shifts the decision to end the relationship onto her."

[–]Beegoop1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've said it before on the main sub when people like you try to deflect, but I'm not angry, it's just how I talk. Stop being pussy.

Don't be mad just because I'm using some words that might hurt your feelings. Be better.

Seriously, "make it clear she can't go to the protest while she's still your girlfriend."

I'll keep it short Mr. Softy since you can't back up a thing you say; does the "while she's still your girlfriend" not make it an ultimatum? I didn't know we lived in a parallel universe where she can simultaneously be his girlfriend while not being his girlfriend.

There's no "we're" here, don't coopt trp when you say dumb shit you can't even explain. It's a good thing you have no posts in the main sub, but obviously from what "we" see here, they're probably not worth much.

[–]ChemicalGiraffe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So many people go because any decent human wouldn't want to see what happened in that video happen again. Jeez stop with all this analysis trying to act trp professors, some things are beyond that.

[–]VojvodaSrpski9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dump this crazy far-left lunatic before you get accused of rape. This is a the very definition of a huge red flag if there ever was one.

[–]juliank475 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it’s fucked up what has been happening to a lot of the members of the african american community over the last couple of decades. But going out protesting, rioting, looting is retarded.

Hey, maybe it’s necessary to get something done in this broken country, but I would strongly urge to get yourself a girl who is smart enough to realize that there are safer ways to protest without being exposed to potentially dangerous situations.

[–]HotDamImHere-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats exactly why the protest exist. "Well shit another black treated less than human by cop? Well it sucks but oh well 🤷🏽‍♂️".

Sitting on your ass doing nothing, solves nothing. Protest peacfully solves nothing ( remember when peacfully kneeling was the worst thing to happen?). Mother fuckers are pissed no action has been taken for decades. Oppotunist looting stores is wrong but you gave blacks no other option other than a mass protest which brews oppotunistic individuals.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Colin Kaepernick kneels in a peaceful protest: "Why is he protesting? That's not going to solve anything!!

People are fed up with the system and start rioting: "Rioting isn't the way to do things! Only peaceful protests will accomplish anything!

Also notice how not a single person has drawn the parallel of white protestors storming an elected officials office with assault rifles because they had to wear a face mask at the grocery store.

[–]whiffofass6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What happened to coronavirus and lockdown

[–]Wildfire488 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The protests cured the virus

[–]BetaCuckSimp3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The virus was never that big of a deal

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She wants black dick

[–]319Skew22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But how else is she going to show that she's against racism? /s

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[–]dzmisrb431 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Problem is as many pointed out totally different here.

If this was about Police brutality almost no one would have anything against it overall and in here.

But it's now all about BLM and made up systematic racism. BLM is based on trying to manipulate facts to create false narattive.Which to me lessens importance I would feel that this protest holds.

Add to that herd mentality of majority of the world right now. And you got something I don't want anything to do with.

[–]OneTrueQ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I haven’t publicly said anything explicitly black lives matter the entire time, only justice for George, Breonna, etc. BLM is literally an organization run by gay women that pocket the money. The lackeys are even worse. No shit black lives matter but I can’t say it on social media because I don’t trust that organization. Something has always been up with them.

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do I have to scroll to the bottom to get the comments from black guys? That's a rhetorical question... the jumble of opinions at the top have drowned out the closest voices to the issue. As usual.

[–]OneTrueQ0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, you answered your own question

[–]mrrooftops1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rhetorical question ;)

[–]Original_Dankster4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll suggest 2 options.

  1. Tell her that if she goes, she has to do a 14 day quarantine and won't be in your house and you won't visit her. Effectively a time-out.

  2. Tell her if she goes, it's over. Then if she goes, don't welcome her back.

[–]Zapche3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t go. I would consider dropping her as she probably sees this entire situation as something that it’s not. I’m assuming you see this situation for what it is.

If she thinks white privilege exist. Thinks America is racist Thinks cops are enemies.

I’d leave her for being so radically different than me and also that type of ideology is dangerous to western societies. Therefore I would let society correct her by breaking up with her

[–]Ironic_Gangster3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She thinks you're a racist now. Do you want to be with someone who doesn't believe you have integrity?

[–]phisch1326 points27 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I think the key is recognizing why she’s doing it. If she actually believes in the movement and wants to go, you’re a dick for trying to stop her.

If she’s just doing it to farm social media popularity like a lot of white people are, then that’s a red flag to me.

Either way, seems like a shit LTR since neither of you seem to have any respect for the others’ opinions.

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[–]phisch137 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I’ll preface by saying I’m pretty heavily in support of the whole BLM movement.

But it goes deeper than just this Floyd situation; it has become systematic. The protests aren’t really about Floyd, he was just the straw that broke the camels back. Not to mention, until they’re actually imprisoned, most protesters believe (probably correctly) that they’ll get off relatively well.

I’ll also add that I don’t think the protests will end up changing anything, even though I support the protests (and the riots to a lesser extent). I also think a lot of people (specifically young white people) are just going for virtue signaling and my hunch is that this girl probably is too.

Just my opinions, I’m not trying to speak on behalf of black people or this guys girlfriend.

[–]skizzum9711 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If this was all about police brutality and holding bad cops accountable, I think everyone is in support. However, the message seems to have been taken over to be about some systemic racism in law enforcement, even though there is a disproportionately high amount of black police officers relative to population and black cops have shot just as many unarmed black men as white cops.

all this talk about 'systemic' issues are ignoring some pretty glaring facts... All I'll say is that statistics explain a lot of why there is such a disproportion of police interaction with one specific minority group, specifically the breakdown of violent crime statistics (which ore objectively criminal). You can't just ignore the root problems and blame the unfortunate outcomes, especially the extremely rare ones (white cops killing black men). There are definitely racist officers, bad cops and stereotypes buts stereotypes don't just happen those perceptions are based on at least some degree of factual observations and prevelant personal experiences. Unless all sides can have the courage to do some self-reflection and address some uncomfortable truths there will not be any change.

[–]shr3dthegnarbrah2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

systemic racism in law enforcement

black cops have shot just as many unarmed black men as white cops.

That's an indication it's systemic, not a detraction.

disproportion of police interaction with one specific minority group

This is a tautology.

There are definitely racist officers, bad cops and stereotypes buts stereotypes don't just happen

Now I'm not sure what position you're arguing for.

Unless all sides can have the courage to do some self-reflection and address some uncomfortable truths

Without a structural change in police authority (over their heads), I agree.

[–]AloofusMaximus7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have argued (and still do) that while the problem may be systemic, it's not racism. When the police are given power like they have, of course they're going to abuse it. The fact is there's little in the way consequences.

The other thing is that while police ARE at fault, more fault lies in the politicians and judges that gave them that power to begin with. I'm skeptical anything is really going to change.

It's already becoming a partisan issue, with both sides (who caused the fucking problem to begin with) entrenching and playing smoke and mirrors.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll preface by saying I’m pretty heavily in support of the whole BLM movement.

This is the problem. It's them making into racism. It doesn't matter the the murdered suspect is white, black or a Marsian. It's about police brutality and the general attitude of the police. This is deeply rooted most likely already starting in the recruiting process and then just fortified during training.

[–]Pimpcool4200 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't really aware of everything before this, but the whole situation is fucked.

There's so many videos of cops straight-up murdering and assaulting people unnecessarily; and the fact that police don't record 100% of their interactions is absurd (I bet for every 1 George Floyd on-camera there's several undocumented similar cases)

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[–]Pimpcool4200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's good, but mandating that in law and punishing police departments who fail to maintain that should happen. The recent fuckery is a clear sign that the police can't be trusted to police themselves.

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[–]phisch132 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Red pills a toolbox, so take away from it whatever you want.

But to me, that logic is when you’ve crossed the line into mgtow/neckbeard logic. Nothing screams fragile ego like feeling the need to eradicate beliefs in an LTR that don’t match yours. If you’re that passionate about a topic, vet better.

I think it’s perfectly acceptable to draw the line if she’s just going for social media clout, but otherwise, you seem like an insecure neckbeard who’s way too worried about what other people think.

You do you though, idc

[–]dynospectrum70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. It sounds a little insecure.

I asked what OP's reasoning was because I didn't find it very easily. If its because he doesn't want her to risk getting hurt, I get that. Hell, my black ass ain't going out there because I don't feel like being the unlucky one with lead in my head.

[–]phisch130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s perfectly valid reasons to not go and ask LTRs to not go. Hell im a germaphobe, I haven’t left for anything other than running/going to the store in months thanks to COVID. Doesn’t matter what people are protesting, I’m not gonna be there during a pandemic.

Disagreeing with their beliefs seems like you probably should’ve found a different girlfriend. I’m not really into LTR’s, but I know I couldn’t be with a chick that long who was that incapable of thinking for herself and relied on me to do all the thinking. Fine for a plate, not trying to marry an incompetent dumbass though lol.

Whatever works for that dude though. If it makes him happy, more power to him.

[–]Destrongunion6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She needs the social proof that she is virtue signaling the same signal as such a massive part of the female collective. It’s pretty much impossible for her as a female to override this because of the fear of her not doing it damaging her socially. In a way I don’t really blame her but only you can guide her away from this decision. Women need to be guided morally and you should explain to her why this is a bad decision for her and the consequences it would have for your relationship

[–]Vulturo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being RP and having an SJW LTR is in itself an obvious red flag. For any LTR to work, there has to be some sort of political alignment.

I would ghost plates when they displayed the slightest hint of being SJW, while you managed to turn this one into an LTR, the only response is an open and honest, "it's not my scene"... Also, you don't need to justify your view to her... No "what happened was wrong but..." no intellectuallizing. Nada.

If you are not a racist, she should know - she should leave it at that and respect your boundaries. If she doesn't then you've been cucked and should next her anyway.

[–]Nergaal2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It is hard to see people get so riled up thinking this is about racism. A year ago a white guy died same way and nobody knows. The only reason I would even consider tolerating protests is because police brutality in the US is high, as represented in the number of poor whites having a slightly higher death rate than poor blacks. And I have yet to see a rick black get killed by police.

Anyways, I would suggest to hold frame and wait for the number of infections to skyrocket in 2 weeks. And tell everybody them "I told you so but you refused to listen".

[–]AlanTheCow0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i believe you, but do you have a source on the death rate of poor whites vs poor blacks? i would very much like to post that stat just about everywhere.

[–]Nergaal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550618775108

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

and https://www.pnas.org/content/117/3/1264

https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf

Yet, on the most extreme use of force – officer-involved shootings – we are unable to detect any racial differences in either the raw data or when accounting for controls.

[–]AHSarefoggots812 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Dump her for being a rascist.

[–]caf_app2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Racism is 99.999% gone. And everyone who nods their head in agreement with the mainstream narrative that it is a real problem in society is THE VERY DEFINITION OF BLUE PILL.

Personally, I wouldn't even hangout with a friend who supports the BLM movement, let alone live with a woman who is passionate about it.

If you're trying to better yourself and harbour a more stoic philosophy in life, spending a large amount of time with someone like that will detract from your efforts.

[–]1pointtwentyone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1) Let's be real. She's not defending you with her friends.

2) You're sacrificing a lot to stay safe and she is going to bring the virus home. That's how much she respects you. You won't respect YOURSELF when she does.

3) This relationship isn't going to last much longer. I'm sure you shared some good times. On to better things. You'll miss a few things about her but it's not worth it. You're posting in Reddit about her because you're searching for logic in a chaotic situation that she created. Leave with your sanity.

[–]PolesWithGoals2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds toxic, break up with her ASAP bro

[–]paint-the-world-red13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As a black man, imma tell you straight up that in my opinion, majority of the people who ain’t black that are going to these protests don’t actually give a fuck about us. They doing it because it makes them look good and white people don’t like being seen as racist.

The reason I’m going is because this is a crucial moment in the history of my people. I’ve been terrified of police ever sense I was 14 and my mom was even more so terrified that she would force me to cut my hair and dress more "appropriately" to minimize the chances of me being the next black kid that gets gunned down. George Floyd was a U.S. citizen with the same protection under the law that you and I have so if they did that shit to him, how long until they do it to you?

Now as far as the rioting and looting goes, I’m on the fence. Those riots are definitely justified but they ain’t go really help, they’ll make things worse. Now, I’m not trying to goad you into going (I actually respect you more for voicing your opinion of not wanting to go) because that’s your choice to make, just like it’s your girl’s choice to make. It’s kinda stupid to cut things off because she wants to go to a protest.

I can see how her calling you a racist fucked with you a bit but you don’t sound racist so, tell her that she’s allowed to make her own choices just as you’re allowed to make yours.

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[–]paint-the-world-red6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looking back at my comment, I can see things from your perspective as well as my own, I shouldn’t have let my own emotions cloud my judgment. My argument for political violence basically boils down to people who have, or are going to have, violence enacted upon them, they are within moral obligation to be able to defend themselves, even sometimes proactively rather than just reactively. We’ve been through these same protests over and over again when one of our own was senselessly murdered. Ezell Ford, Philando Castile, Jamar Clark, Dreasjon Reed, Trayvon Martin, (he wasn’t killed by a working police officer but by a civilian wanna-be) Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, Botham Jean, Michael Brown, Michelle Shirley, Redel Jones, Kenney Watkins, Stephon Clark, Laquan McDonald, Tamir Rice, Eric Garner, and now George Floyd. All these names, all these deaths. We’ve tried the peaceful protest route but that shit doesn’t work.

The killing of George Floyd was a lynching, an execution without legal trial. He was killed in public. He was the victim of unnecessary force. He was not found guilty of any crime, or even charged with a crime, necessarily making him innocent in the eyes of the law. George Floyd was arrested and detained in public, and placed on the pavement, belly down, on a public road. George Floyd was handcuffed, on his belly, laying NEXT TO A POLICE CAR. There were multiple police nearby. They couldve have easily put him in the car. This would have made their job of controlling the scene easier, as both officers in the video could protect themselves from any unseen dangers. AND it would have been easier for the murdering office to handle the detainee, since his car would have him under control instead of him needing to physically hold him down. Next, people are innocent until proven guilty, and police are given the right to use lethal force if their life or others lives are in danger. These officers lives were not in dangers. These officers did not need to kill a man to keep the situation under control.

Now, with that all stated, lets look at it all together. We have a city where the police force is actively killing civilians :

1) not found guilty of crimes

2) not threatening the life of officers

3) not threatening the life of others

Seeing as we can not prove that the officer killed this man just because he was black, we must assume he killed this man for no reason whatsoever. This means the criteria cops are using to kill people is able to applied to nearly every person in Minneapolis. 99% of people are not guilty of crimes, not threatening the life of officers and not threatening the life of other civilians. This means there is an armed police force that is killing civilians in Minneapolis, this means that these people should have a right to protect themselves, even proactively, from a police force that is so willing to kill innocent people.

The riots are a lot more complicated that people would have us believe. Historically, we’ve rioted when the peaceful route didn’t work. Probably the most famous riot in American history is the Boston Tea Party. Although it’s not often called a riot (because, let’s face it, “riot” has a negative connotation and things that we like we tend to call something else,) it does fit your criteria of riot. This is prior to the Revolution, it was in response to a specific policy (the Tea Act,) and it was based on the idea of causing destruction. Now, the truth is that many people did respond to it exactly as your responding to contemporary riots. Particularly colony sympathizers in Britain, who were vocally supportive of the plight of the people of the American Colonies. Basically the response from them was “whoa, rioting is not ok, you crossed the line and I can’t support what you’re doing anymore.” In short, you’re not wrong, they did lose a lot of support because of the riot. Ultimately though, I have a hard time not calling the Boston Tea Party successful.

Now whether we want to condemn the riot morally is a complicated question. I think we certainly could take up the opposing arguments, and say that there went way too far, particularly since it was in response to a tax policy, not brutalization and violence.

On the other hand, we can’t pretend like America hasn’t valorized this particular riot. It’s ingrained in American lore. We tell it as a happy story to children! Again, I’m not trying to come down as the black man who’s above it all. What I’m trying to point out is that it’s complicated. In the moment, riots force us to come down on one side or the other. We’re either with the rioters, or it’s bad and we’re against them. Once some time passes and we’re looking at it through a historical lens we tend to acknowledge that it’s a little more nuanced than that.

One more story! Do you know about the Stonewall Riots? This was in 1969 and it is basically regarded as the start of the LGBTQ movement.

Through the 60’s homosexuality was, in many places illegal, and if not directly illegal was often legally punished. Bars that became known to be frequented by gay people were regularly raided by the police, and one raid at a bar called Stonewall in New York City broke out in a massive riot that became a siege which lasted multiple days. There was destruction, violence, a chorus line of drag queens kicking the police… all the hallmarks of a riot..

Here’s the thing, the Stonewall riots are arguably the single most important event in gay rights history. Prior to that event, there was mass secrecy around being LGBTQ. There were essentially no gay rights movements. Within a year or so of the riot, there were gay rights groups in every major American city, legislation was passed so that you couldn’t be arrested for crossdressing, the first gay Pride parade took place. It basically went overnight from total secrecy to highly public.

Again, whether we want to praise the riots or not, from a historical perspective we can’t deny that they were super important. So important, in fact, that we raised a Stonewall National Monument. Again, I’m not saying “look riots can be good.” I’m saying that riots can be a hard thing to evaluate, and our attitudes toward them tend to change radically from a historical perspective.

You also gotta keep in mind that a lot of the riots/protests in response to unjustified police brutality/killings take place in poor communities, communities I grew up in. A lot of these is are more likely to feel that we have nothing to live for or that things couldn’t get worse, so we’re more likely to act in ways that you may think of as not being the best approach. But there are also situations where we would be wrong and the safe option is not the best for the desired outcome. For example, a country with an oppressive government may require a violent/unsafe revolution to end the oppression.

So it’s rather difficult to judge whether or not anyone is making the best decision about how to respond to conflict but we should be able to divorce that from justification. Not to mention horde mentality, where people in large groups will engage in behaviors they would otherwise never do. Things genuinely feel like everything is at a tipping point. There is nowhere for things to escalate to. Talking about it online isn't changing anything. Recording it happening isn't changing anything. The political processes don't seem to be changing anything, at least not quickly enough for people to be satisfied. And at some point, somebody is going to decide to step in and save a police brutality victim instead of standing around and recording it. It's going to happen somewhere. When it does, shits going to go fucking sideways real quick.

So, I think it’s rather justified but also not a good idea. Just my perspective though.

[–]dzmisrb430 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are great points you made.

Here are my problems thought. First is smaller and its about violence in protests and destroying of property. Often of property belonging to innocent people. Regardless my point is that we live in modern time. And violence espacally random violence inflicted by protestors is going to have worse outcome than in the past. Because people today are much less violent. And it is going to leave a very bad impression, increase skepticism or even promote hatred from huge number of people.

And even more important reason why I hate this protest is how priorities are swtiched. If it was about Police brutality everyone here and in the world would be onboard. But it was shifted towards propaganda of BLM. It's about made up systematic racism that whites are supposedly involved in. And here is my response to that, I will copy paste a post from another person here because it's same thing I wanted to say:

''"As unjust as Floyd's death is it does not represent a significant pattern in police killings.

This unbelievably massive and often destructive response is clearly due to the last few weeks of selective reporting by the media on white-on-black crimes, even digging so far down as to make headline news out of a minor disagreement between two city park visitors and framing even that as a massive injustice.

In a country of 330 million people, unjust crimes will happen from time to time. Perhaps it is worthwhile to try and minimize them, but the narrative pushing this disproportionate outrage to a single person's death is only going in one direction: white-on-black killings are the tragedy of the century and no other crimes are particularly meaningful.

Never mind the recent (probably race-motivated) killing of Paul and Lidia Marino by a young black man. Never mind the police murder of Tony Timpa (a white man) in 2016 who died much the same way that Floyd died (though was not a criminal or under arrest for any crime). Never mind the fact that these looters have already killed at least one black man, former police officer David Dorn.

And certainly nevermind the greater frequency of police killings of whites than blacks overall or the greater frequency of black citizens killings white citizens more than the reverse.

No crowds of protestors for those events. No celebrity tweets or politicians rushing to placate angry mobs supporting those victims.

This is not a spontaneous, fair-minded movement responding to any and all forms of injustice. It is a single-minded movement that is following one specific narrative driven by selective media coverage: that blacks are perennial victims and whites are perennial oppressors.

If this whole fiasco results in better policing procedures across the country, that's great. But I'm skeptical. Sadly, I think we are only likely to see an uptick in crime in response to all of this, like we did following the Ferguson riots.

Allow too much chaos and destruction to come out of your movement and that is likely to be the legacy.""

[–]goblinboglin4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OMG, the amount of cucks in the comments is unbelievable.

I can't believe those people call themselves red-pilled.

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Lol, yep. If you ever needed proof that this sub is filled with a bunch of LARPing retards, all the highly upvoted posts in this thread are it. I don't know why I read it.

[–]Ivabighairy12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Recent protest in my city. Nothing but fat chicks and incels. Hold frame or she’ll have you cucked in no time. She will be giving her number to other attendees so yea, dump her.

[–]bakachelera4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dump her. She is a leftist and you're one night with chad away of a fake rape accusation, and in the long run you're risking a divorce rape. Beware of the sjw.

[–]goblinboglin3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Next lol.

You don't want to stay with someone that gets so easily manipulated.

edit: just read it again and saw you are not from the US. You DEFINITELY do not want to stay with her!!

[–]letmereadthatshit4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see the reason to break up. Tell her to stay away if you are concerned about covid

[–]Jaganshi937 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only sheeps go to protest. How many successful people go to any protest? They go only if they gain something. Dont be a cuck and kick this whore out of your life

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you think the Boston Tea Party was? Do you seriously think that the American revolution is not an example of success?

[–]DTron23321 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your breaking up with her or not is all up to you, you can always find more women, or if you don’t want to compare the cost/benefit analysis.

Almost every single women at this time is going to use what’s going on as an excuse for attention, pity, and social manipulation. They are herd animals, which means they do not think much, but follow what everyone else is doing. Yes it will pass, but look at all the females bringing up rape and past sexual abuse, it’s a manipulation scheme from victim mentality, and hate to break it to you but almost AWALT.

If the sex is good, no other complaints I wouldn’t break up with her. But is she’s an emotional libtard who can’t think for herself, do you think that would be a good choice for an LTR? Use your red pill lens and make a decision.

[–]CareIsMight1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's only going for the social media instagram good girl brownie points and virtue signalling points. It's the "cool" and "trendy" thing to do, right? My views are probably a lot more similar to yours, however I wouldn't go as far as giving her an ultimatum. Unless she talked about BLM every day throughout your relationship then that would strike me as strange. Maybe it's an American thing? If she can separate the destructiveness of the rioting and looting from the peaceful protesting then that's a good sign. Just be careful she doesn't fall prey to the mob mentality and starts going absolutely mental. You are still free to educate her on black-on-black violence and black-and-white hate crimes and point out reasons why you think BLM have double standards on this or that, and in time she may start listening. I've educated my girlfriend on crime rates in my country and have outlined the reasons why certain minorities are overrepresented in crime statistics and she listens probably about 95% of the time. If anything I say comes across as 'racist', which it isn't, stating a fact isn't racist it's like saying facts are racist and if facts are racist and racist is bad doesn't that make facts bad and if facts are bad why don't we abandon facts for bedtime stories? Etc... What may be happening is that her liberal friends may be shaming her to attend, i.e. "if you don't attend you're proving your racism". If that's the case then I'd even go as far to ask her if there's anyone pushing her to attend or to change her views/attitudes.

I've read about and seen the double standards and hypocrisy coming from the far left and the open racism of BLM to ever give them the satisfaction of going to one of their rallies. Most of them are massive racists psychologically projecting their own feelings of racism onto whites, and many of the white organisers are the Virgin Mary White Saviour stereotypes. They are actually the ones who see colour and race as a motive in basically every facet of life. It's like a paranoid schizophrenic thinking that everyone talking must be talking about him, whereas the pathological leftist thinks many actions can be lead by racism. And if all white people have white privilege then they're all supremacists unless they apologise and atone for the sins of their ancestors. It's ridiculous. The whole issue of police brutality is ovrrexaggerated, it's just that the something-dominated media created an anti-police culture amongst black Americans and created "police brutality". This is literally a single incident and look at the response. Manufactured outrage. Warn her about not becoming a pawn and useful idiot in this political game. Tell her that she can go but for her not to become too involved. Warn her of mob mentality signs and for her to take her distance. I guarantee you 95% of the women going for virtue signalling brownie points. They don't know the facts surrounding the incident. They won't know he has been convicted of 7-10 crimes and spent considerable time in jail and was high on meth and fentanyl during the incident. They just see him as the representation of what liberals are supposed to give sympathy for and sacrifice for: underprivileged minorities. She won't accept their more extreme positions. Only the radical 5% will be at the front doing stupid shit. No offence to your girlfriend but have you seen those Steven Crowder videos where he interviews people on the street and sometimes during campus protests? And you get the women who are hardcore who say "WHITE SUPREMACY IS LIKE EVERYWHERE! BLACKS AND MINORITIES ARE LIKE STILL LIVING UNDER SLAVERY IT'S EVERYWHERE THE RACIAL INJUSTICE IS EVERYWHERE I LITERALLY CAN'T BREATHE"! That's the radical who won't listen to reason or logic because she's been so traumatised from the propaganda that she's become demoralised and can't reason her positions. Your girlfriend sounds a bit like my girlfriend who would say: "I'm hear to protest against the death of Floyd and police brutality" and then upon being asked a series of questions on how to solve it she would probably say "police need to stop doing x or y and perhaps instead of putting their knees into the back they could handcuff them and let them up after 3 mins so they don't asphyxiate" (something rational and reasonable). The radical will say, "DEFUND THE POLICE. MORE $$$ FOR BLACK COMMUNITIES (ONE WHICH I LEAD AND WILL PERSONALLY FINANCIALLY BENEFIT FROM), DEMAND REPARATIONS (and a bunch of new entitlements)", and a never-ending list of unreasonable demands which is simply a massive power grab beyond what anyone would expect from a situation like this.

Good luck.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she actually cares about it, then many people in her situation would interpret your silence as siding with the enemy. It's not enough to not support racism, you have to be anti-racist.

That being said, it is a possibility she may be doing this for clout. Some white girls think these protests are Coachella.

[–]seducter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So let me get this straight. You read the sidebar and the one thing you took away from it was "mate guarding is alpha as fuck"?

You got some reading comprehension problems bud.

[–]MrWSB1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LTR a lefty?

Man, you playing with fire. Lefty girls belong to beta males.

Once she’s been demoralized, you can’t ever repair her. The spoon fed propaganda has taken its toll.

[–]Rtat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont think thats true about them being beyond any repair. Especially if they’re still young all it takes is a strong male influence for a lot of these women.

[–]LateralThinker131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LTR and her friends are typical liberal white girls who call me a racist for not “speaking out”.

Dude, one of the core rules is, "Don't stick your dick into crazy." Feminists, BLM liberals, etc., are all crazy bunnyboilers and you really need to GTFO from that shit. I guarantee the sex isn't good enough for the amount of fire you're playing with.

[–]George_Wallace_19681 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

no, ghost this coalburner

[–]dynospectrum71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Aww Tyrone bang your ex?

[–]George_Wallace_19680 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and then you cucked, cuckingly, as all cucks do

[–]DubbleFUPAwitCheez5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd never LTR a girl that went to one of these but then again my views and the things I say she'd know to never bring it up to me or it'd never get this far. Some of you need more red pills but then again some of you are here to find out how to get white wimmens.

[–]Human_Extreme4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Having political discussions/conversations with your LTR is THE worst thing ever. I always tell people not to talk politics with me, because I will get cranky. Goddamnit, I hate people.

Fuck it OP, this is a a really big shit test and treat it as such. Don't respond and definitely don't engage in an argument/discussion. "You have your views, I have mine" is the maximum you should say.

Take care buddy

[–]MrAnderzon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s a good response and simultaneously practices DEER

You have your views, I have mine

[–]GainzdalfTheWhey4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't ltr a typical white liberal from the start.

[–]PCM972 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost every white girl on all my social media are taking virtue signaling to a whole new level. A lot of guys too.

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The facts say more white people die by the Police hand in the USA than black people. In fact it's JUST under 2x as many. Yet you never get this reaction. No fucks are given. So white people protesting this is just virtue signalling combined with group mind thinking.

I've been called racist for showing the facts. Apparently facts are racist too. All by white people.

[–]RangerBass212 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never stick your dick in leftist. Trust me young man.

[–]Bungeeeeee6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

seems like your girl is a liberal. why would a masculine rp man on a mission want to marry a liberal?

[–]GrooveDive13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*Why would a masculine rp man on a mission want to marry a liberal?

[–]shr3dthegnarbrah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No man is an "-ism".

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[–]Original_Dankster2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Leftism is based off of a false notion of human morality - the notion that we can all cooperate and not compete and avoid forming hierarchies.

The Red Pill is accepting harsh truth. Mankind will never adopt a cooperative, socialist, compassionate culture because we're essentially primates motivated by fear, jealousy, anger, and greed. Strong social conditioning is necessary to temper these passions so that society doesn't fall apart.

No man can be a leftist and yet claim to be "red-pilled."

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[–]Bungeeeeee-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey, I don't think your post fits in this thread and as a reply to that comment. It's probably written out of frustration. Trp nowdays wants to explain everything, while people in all other kinds of fields of expertise (philosophy, theology, psychology etc.) would just crush their brains in any kind of discussion based on the fields mentioned. Don't try to make this into a pseudo science. This is a sexual strategy "forum".

[–]Cheeseking110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are the one who brought up marriage and liberalism in the first place. What are you on about?

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I’d go beyond that. The fact that she’s even considering going just shows how different your values are. Ghost and move on.

I’d never LTR a liberal. Absolute deal breaker for me.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You really want to associate with someone who will throw their entire belief system “in the trash in a heartbeat”?

Hard pass for me.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Watched my dad get divorce raped haven’t talked to my mom for 1/3 of my life, which was my intro and then took my RP by suppository last year as a nice reminder. So basically yes.

Of course it’s easy to debunk. Anyone who is dumb/weak enough to fall for it. I don’t want around me.

[–]tyalanm0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

"suppository" hahahaha. Where did you pick up that word from man?

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my brain

[–]tyalanm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm serious lol

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would dump her for even thinking what she’s doing is remotely acceptable.

That said, this was obviously a failure of screening on your part. Your probably knew this was how she is.

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[–]AegonTheC0nqueror-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because politics is a concept which can completely change the world one lives in. It is something that can drastically change one's circumstances. For example, look at the Jewish doctors who lost both their medical licenses and their citizenship when the Nuremberg laws were passed.

It is honestly a privilege to never be concerned with politics. But of course to you, politics is just something blue haired betas speak about to virtue signal. Turn off Fox News for a change.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"You can speak out for your views if you want, but don't expect me to speak out for views that aren't mine"

(bad English, but you can probably word it better)

If she can't respect that, then next her. It's a huge turn off, and besides, you should never disingenuously modify your own outlook to "be more like her" (i.e. stepping into her frame). Let her do her, but you need to do you.

This is a shit test, but one that would make me seriously reconsider the relationship. This is something that should be established before you're even in an LTR. If she gives you this kind of shit, it's either because she's a hopeless prospect (poorly raised, entitled bitch), or because you have been failing shit tests for a long time already - none of which bode well for the future.

[–]30DaystoSolstice-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some of y'all are delusionsl on this sub. She's the one reconsidering the relationship, not OP. And that's not a shit test. A shit test is something trivial that gives her clue about your fitness as a mate. Smtg like "bet you bring a lot of girls to this spot".

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It's clearly a shit test. She's attempting to make OP step into her frame (i.e. modify his opinion/personality/identity to accommodate hers), and she's using classic shaming tactics to hammer it through (in this case: "you're racist").

This is a test of his resolve, and there are two ways he can fail it:

1) By acting like a dictator, to "not allow" her to go to the protest.

2) By allowing himself to be shamed into joining her to the protest against his own judgement.

Both of these responses will display weakness and insecurity.

Granted, there are such things as "irreconcilable differences" - for both men and women - but more often than not, women are happy to forgo such differences for a guy who can remain steadfast in his own convictions, argue his point and to live and let live when it comes to hers.

[–]30DaystoSolstice-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

After re_reading OP post a lot of things are becoming clear

  • never did the chick called him or suggested he was a racist. OP can't even admit that much to strangers in anonymity cuz he knows that's not true. He just paranoid about what her gf's friends will think of him. Talk about weak frame

  • chick is not pressuring him to go. She only expressed interested in going because she thinks for herself that it's too important no to speak up. Dude is STRONGLY against HER going not him going.

    he came here complaining that the bad liberal girl he cuffed is living up to her personal values. But he wants us to believe she's also shaming him, shit tasting him.

I don't like men with twisted tongue.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Re-reading the OP post myself, I can see how you're making valid points. My answer was based on taking his post at face value, not really examining the hidden meaning behind it. Either way, there are insecurities on display here that OP should work on.

[–]DrJamming3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know she may be right about you...

Not the racist part, but about you not speaking up.

Maybe it's time you stood up for yourself and did speak up - to her. About your views on the subject. I personally would tell her i'm not going because that guy strangled by a cop with 3 others watching in broad daylight is a matter of police brutality not race. I don't give a fuck if a victim is black, latino, white or a fucking yeti. I just want that cop who murdered him in broad daylight get the death sentence or life if former is not possible.

I would also tell her how he mostly likely won't, because police is government's tool of repression and current rotten USA government does not want ppl feeling safe or at least on equal footing in front of the law with the police.

Now if that's clear and outta the way, I would tell her that if there's another protest, one that addresses true issue, and not just screams for blacks, while not giving a flying fuck about other races (now that is racism in my book) then I woulnd't mind her going, hell I'd might join that one myself..

[–]Domebeers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Burn Loot Murder!

Take her fine, but really go to flirt with any good looking woman you see.

[–]toughenup20161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have lost the frame in your relationship.

[–]tonivevo-1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Tiway223 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Found the rioter and looter. You steal any new TV’s lately?

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[–]AegonTheC0nqueror-1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Imagine being so insecure that you and your boys hijack a ship in the harbor and dump gallons of expensive tea into the sea because you don't want to pay taxes.

That was the Boston Tea party, and it led to the formation of a nation which continues this trend. Only some protestors are looting, in fact many do not condone looting.

If one bad cop doesn't make all cops bad, then why does one bad looter make all protestors look bad?

[–]NeDictu0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

one bad looter. LOL this guys funny.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This guy just compared a bunch of hood rats stealing blu-rays from Target to the Boston tea party.

“But we Wuz Kangz”

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

What do you think the British called the people in the Boston Tea Party; probably some equivalent of hood rats.
You try so hard to feel some sort of imagined oppression.

Keep crying.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I’m not oppressed in the slightest I’m a white male making 150k a year I love my life.

You on the other hand sound like a perpetual victim.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Obviously you’re not oppressed, but you try your hardest to pretend you are.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Obvious projection.

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But “We wuz Kangs“ isn’t a generalization.
Keep crying buddy.

[–]kellykebab-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I probably wouldn't have supported the Boston Tea Party at the time. I don't think it ultimately had a major impact on the separation from England, anyway. It does make for a good story, though.

And the big difference there was that the American Revolution was ultimately led and managed by really intelligent statesmen with vision, discipline, and foresight who cared about history and realized that an entirely new body of land would probably function better independently than beholden to a small island thousands of miles across the ocean.

I actually sometimes wonder if they made the right decision, to be honest. Even they were cautious about the brand new undertaking they were conducting: a democratic replublic with a representative government and no king. Even they realized this would require a well-informed and prudent citizenry. But they didn't plan on universal suffrage or the many cultural and global changes that have happened since, certainly not on our current immigration policy or the complete abandonment of religion, traditional families, the proliferation of pornography and drugs, the technology that has atomized society and broken down old forms of social cohesion, etc.

Either way, I don't see the same kind of benevolent, wise leadership behind the protests, and certainly not the riots. I see opportunists and malcontents and people who just fundamentally think the U.S. is a "horrible" place. I don't see an intelligent end game to all this. I see people, at best, laying the blame for every injustice that has ever occurred at the feet of "white power," which is not going to turn out well for the majority white population. The more this notion takes hold, the more the white population is going to get punished and guilted out of any kind of reasonable standing in this country.

People think as soon as "injustice" is eradicated, we'll have a Utopia. Wrong. We'll just have people in power who have scapegoated whites as villains for decades and they will punish them for it. This is how these tribal conflicts generally end: not with stasis and harmony, but with the perceived victim subjugating the perceived oppressor. Just look at Israel in the Middle East following their victimization during WWII.

It's not just the many rioters and looters who have no interest in revolution but are nevertheless being defended as "trauma victims" by many on the Left. That would be bad enough.

It's the protestors who won't stop with police reform, but will continue to demand and demand until that particular political cohort is finally in power. And then they will seek vengeance.

This is how history works. It's not pretty. We got incredibly lucky with the way America was founded. I would not at all count on it to go as well a second time, particularly when the perceived "oppressor" is a population still living in America and not across the ocean far from harm.

EDIT: I actually do support better training for police officers, stricter educational requirements where possible, more de-escalation tactics being taught, more purely community outreach programs being conducted, etc.

My concern with the way this current movement is happening and has happened in the past is that it is racialized to a degree that it does not look like a general plan to improve policing but instead a tribal attack on white people. This is how it is being perceived by much of the country and this is why it will not be successful.

The "white supremacy" focus and the frequent excuses for outright crime and mayhem associated with this protest (it's not a couple bad eggs, it is thousands of individual smashing into buildings and destroying things in broad daylight) will ultimately distract from and subvert any real attempt to improve policing.

I don't want that to be true. But it is my prediction based on historical precedent. And ultimately, I'm a pragmatist. All the good intentions in the world won't salvage a disorganized, unnecessarily provocative movement.

[–]hedged61610 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just lay low for a bit, tell her you aren’t feeling well

[–]nateydanger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why you suddenly feel challenged by this. You're walking right into her frame by letting her ruffle you.

Her: "It's important to go"

You: "I support the cause in my daily life. I dont need to go to a protest."

Her: "You're racist if you don't go."

Him: "I'm not but that's your opinion. Call me when you are done."

Boom. That's it. It's simple as holding frame. She'll call you back and if she doesn't call you back then that's on her. She connected some pretty ridiculous dots here to come up with a reason to be upset with you and if that's the case you don't need women like that in your life. Remember that you are dealing with a person who runs on emotion. So when she calms down, she'll call. If she doesn't or holds the value? Fuck her. Simple as that.

This thread is not about changing the world. It's about how you handle your frame, your life, and your interactions with women. Anything outside of that in this topic is off topic.

[–]Plasmaa760 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dump her ass and find someone who doesn't have a self loathing complex

[–]Tiway220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re in the Netherlands bro? That means your gf is highly susceptible to media control and is being guilt tripped by other virtue signaling friends.

I would question her capability to make her own decisions.

If she believes all life is equal and we should be treated by our actions, then why would she need to join the protest? It’s dangerous and she might get hurt.

[–]4Sammich0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

10 shouldn’t even date a SJW liberal.

20 While it’s true that she is one

30 Goto 10

It’s just basic.

[–]YankeeDoodlesFeather0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she hints that you are racist just tell her blm is funded by george soros. A man who as a child would give up the locations of jews with his uncle to hitler and the nazis. In return they would get all their belongings. Now he funds blm, antifa, and moms demand action. He now makes his billions by destroying economies, creating civil wars so he can come in and buy everything up for pennies. Not only has he never apologized for any of it, he has actually justified it. So as she claims to be fighting for black rights, she is doing the exact opposite for not only black people, but all people

[–]_the_shape_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand where you're coming from, as I a dated an SJW for a handful of years, and we too were good so long as we stayed away from the subject of politics, but I don't think you're overreacting in threatening or even following through with a breakup if this truly is centered around a health-related reason and not a political disagreement.

Every single one of your points are valid, and yes, the icing on the cake, that you guys are situated in Europe and not here in the U.S., really drives this over the edge and into the realm of total absurdity. I haven't gotten any backlash for not posting a black cube two days ago or attending a protest, but I personally would distance myself, possibly for good, from anyone who tried to twist my arm to support what they want, in the manner that they deem appropriate (i.e. "it's not enough to be not racist, you also have to read these specific 1488 books and keep an 11" black d1ldo firmly lodged up your @ss to even get remotely close to experience the level of discomfort people of color have to live with day in and day out")

I'd express your point clearly that this has nothing to do with politics, that the correlation is incidental, but that she is jeopardizing your health by attending, and that no, she can not have her cake and eat it too by retaining you as an LTR and attend the protests.

[–]DucardthaDon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dump her and just except she's going to get her back blown out by Tyrone or some Berber.

[–]tyalanm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Berber? What's that?

[–]cydestiny0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The conversation shouldn't happen anyway.

While it’s true that she is one, it hasn’t been an issue in the relationship so far

I doubt it. I believed that you have had made a lot of adjustments/compromises just to keep her in this relationship.

Think about this, what do you actually want from this relationship? A partner who you constantly need to fight because she make the "smarter" choice? Build up your life and legacy around her?

Go figure and you will have the answer on what to do.

[–]Throwaway-2424240 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP's girl wants to virtue signal over a race war in another country, and OP is still terrified of a glorified flu.

You guys sound like a match made in libtard heaven.

[–]Mouse17010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is the black population there

[–]alphakari0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why her going to a protest has anything to do with you. Because she didn't listen when you told her not to go or some shit? Idk why you gave a fuck to begin with.

If it's on that whole symbolic "but muh sacrifice," then you're virtue signalling just as hard as her because realistically her going out is not the make or break here.

If it's so divorced from your values or some shit, then I guess check out of the relationship and find some other bitch when the pandemic dies down. I wouldn't recommend letting her know why cause that's too incendiary, and drama ain't worth it. Just check out, and then say the typical break up shit.

[–]DogPawDog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell her that she can do what she wants but your gf will not go outside and protest during a pandemic.

[–]rodneyrangerfield0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who are "against BLM" are almost invariably racist, so forgive her for thinking you are

[–]Bingoslots6670 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your girl is emotional. She’s a bitch. Don’t leave her...Jesus nigga you said it yourself, all these girls are doing it you’re not gonna find some magical non-emotional idealistic girl. Or at least you shouldn’t hope for it.

You have logic on your side. Coronavirus. Use it. UNEMOTIONALLY. Don’t go down to her level of irrationality. Just passively go, nope. Corona.

And she will know you are right, no matter how she responds.

This is training. You will start now giving your girl emotion in doses and not letting you control you like this. Even love should come in doses like this staunch logical protest of your own.

This is a blip, but you’re feeling this social pressure so you’d rather blow up the relationship on impulse. Don’t fold. Literally if you’re gonna leave anyway, don’t succumb and leave. That’s the reaction of a guy WHO ISNT RIGHT.

Be righteous and stay strong in your belief. You can’t run away from adversity, ESPECIALLY NOT from your bitch.

[–]BluzzKill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should dump her for being a weak minded fool not for going or not going.

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George floyd was a porn star with a history of armed robbery who was on drugs while he got arrested and died. Now people are rioting and looting in his name. I guarantee you that he wasn't killed because of racism but more likely bc he did something violent

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What kind of girls though? The most ardent supporters in my social media feeds are not exactly top shelf quality if you know what I mean lol

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[–]ItzAdrestia-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

None of that matters the fuck? Im not even protesting but use your brain bud.

[–]SeasonedRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don't live with her, disappear for a while. Be unavailable. The virtue signaling by white women is gross. It also sounds like her friends constantly bash you and did before this incident. I don't think breaking up with her is an overreaction. I recommend it whether she goes or not.

[–]yoitsericc0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are your own mental point of origin, period. If you don't want to go, don't. You don't owe her a commitment.

You placating to her ideals also makes you much less attractive to her. In time, she will see you as safe and easy, lose all competition anxiety and eventually seek sexual arousal elsewhere.

Unless you are fully behind going, don't. And don't be afraid to next her if she insists.

[–]BPasFuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's real simple:

This chick thinks marching in some nonsense protest that doesn't even concern her, her community, her state, or her nation, is more important than avoiding a potentially deadly disease, let alone respecting your wishes.

This is a person with abysmal judgement. She is demonstrating to you, the quality of her decision making, which is low. Bad decision makers make bad partners, and bad parents.

It's like, the most basic element in being a parent, after good health. Do they make good decisions? This girl does not.

I would begin looking for a new chick, and keep this one around only as long as she was fuckin'.

[–]wyota0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1) you might be a racist for being so strongly against instead of being indifferent or pro. What's your deal? 2) you sound really insecure, maybe afraid of the BBC? Why else would you associate White women with BLM when if anything, White liberal men are more likely to attend? Kudos for not seeing that this is a pro-liberty or anti-government protest at heart (it just so happens race is the spark that lights the fire). I've seen just as many libertarian-oriented people attending as SJWs, at least among my very young circle of acquaintances and friends. Also most anti-government people and most people who like to protest in general are men. You sound like you have an enormous chip on your shoulder.

[–]tridentwhite200 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don’t be a tool your LTR is supporting a great cause and you’re bitching. Tell her to wear a mask and social distance as necessary. Lastly, she can get tested for Covid now so after the protest she can schedule and appointment to put the fear of that out of your mind...unless this isn’t really about Covid

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So to call this guys a 'tool' when you want to change his mind is irresponsible. Seriously, how about you try to explain something to him and change his mind? For example if I started calling you a fucking immature idiot who doesn't think through his thoughts and is unable to make a coherent point, would you ever listen to me?

[–]tridentwhite200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao fuck off bitch

[–]RedSkeller-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's being disrespectful, bottom line, it's a demote situation

[–]PepinoSF-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell her to settle the white injustice, let she give free pussy to some random negro, that Ansterdam streets are full of. Then pack your bag and leave that mad bitch.

[–]TxnyMontana-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Those are her convictions. Leave her go. You can't change a person convictions, that's silly and you're being inmature.

[–]Revere_Tha_MC-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let her go but remind her there's a plague about.

[–]Tiway220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let her go? Not quite #stayhome. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

[–]Taipoe-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The protests are for George Floyd who was murdered by cops that werent punished until media attention

[–]AncientDragons-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mate guarding. Her going to a protest doesn’t take shit away from you or your importance in her life. If you’re concerned about Rona ask her to wear a mask or quarantine after the march. All your bitterness about how silly the protests are or how hypocritical it is because of the stay at home orders is just your sensitive little feefees getting hurt. If she’s faithful and you have a satisfying relationship, who cares if she goes to a protest? You seem very threatened by a woman having different opinions than yours and that’s a recipe for disaster. This, in the grand scheme of things, is absolutely nothing.

[–]dark_rabbit-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a big moment in our country's history. There is a different between not being racist and being against racism. The latter means you're willing to take a stance and speak up and stand for something.

You should leave her for not having left you, when you fed her this bullshit.

[–]StannisBaratheon94-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re pretty fucking stupid, dude. She’s a better person then you.

[–]mrmaskfawkes-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, if she feels the need to not let you be your own person don't invest anymore. Don't he around people who can't respect what your doing or who you are. If you aren't a political person then don't invest in people who can't accept that. Honestly let her cool off then see about this, but if she insist let her go at her own risk. Otherwise if she wants to still give you hell for not going, don't put up with it. You made your decision and what's done is done, break up with her if she can't accept that you made your own choices. Edit: welp that sound like a non isuse, if she isn't getting onto you and your both adults let her go. Don't get caught up with all the politics. If she's alright with you not going then no issue here.

[–]tommybahama66666-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a fucked up mindset bro. And you probably wont realize it until it hits you one day.

[–]ntkstudy44-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You still have time to delete this

[–]rprookie-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop being a bitch and go out there and protest for my people. How are you gonna have a redpill mindset and can’t protest.

There’s people all over the world protesting but you.

Your being a bitch because you think the “CorONa ViRuS” is out to get you.

The chance of Getting the virus is low.

I’m disappointed.

[–]dynospectrum7-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could ask yourself honestly why you don't want her to go?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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