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Theoretical: Why is (modern) Feminism so self-contradicting?

August 21, 2015
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TLDR: Random thought. 3rd/4th wave Feminists swear that they do not hate men but their actions and their other writings say otherwise. Could it be the size of their movement? Or is it the extremely vocal extremist wing?

I'm going to say something rather blasphemic for this subreddit and say that the 1st and 2nd waves of Feminism are actually movements to be admired. I'm not saying this to whiteknight women, I genuinely believe that women, as human beings, are entitled to the same political rights as men. One might argue that women, as emotional beings, are capable of making educated decisions, but for that, I point to intelligent women such as Ayn Rand and Margaret Thatcher.

The Feminism of today, however, is a movement that I have, until recently, supported with great reluctance.

Women have the vote, they have reproductive rights, but what else is there to fight for in the West?

According to people like Andrea Dworkin and Jessica Valenti, cat-calling and sexual harassment.

That, too, is all well and fair, except for the fact that their definitions of such have a broad range. Does compliment a women out of genuine intention make it sexual harassment? Does simply saying 'hi' violate the woman in question?

The curious thing is that many apologists for feminism say that they do not hate men, and that they are fighting for all sexes. Yet, they talk about a 'patriarchy' and 'privilege' and while that's all well and fair, some feminists put down men and disparage them, saying that their actions and their existence is part of that 'patriarchy' and 'privilege'

There's also the notion that all men are rapists. Feminists, at least the not-so-cuckoo ones also disagree with that. But there is talk about a 'rape culture.' There are women holding signs that simply looking at a woman is rape. Talking to a girl is rape. Just simply having a desire for something deeper with a woman is rape. And I get the feeling that very few of them are referring to lesbian, woman-on-woman interactions.

And, of course, sexism, the nemesis of the movement. But more often I see feminist articles relying on the very same sexism they claim to fight (take for example, the anti-nice guy rhetoric. I think the 'friend zone' also happens to girls too. Or the suggestion that women are always being victimised and how male rape victims can 'learn the experience')

Why do you guys think Feminism is so self-contradictory? I know that many major ideologies are prone to this in a limited extent, because they're big and diverse. Perhaps the people who say 'we don't hate men' are different from the people who say 'smash the patriarchy.' Maybe the people who say 'all men are not rapists' are not shouting 'there is a rape culture' at the same time.

Maybe there is a radical wing that has hijacked the ideology? I know for a fact that a lot of Muslims, for example, are very frustrated with groups like Al Qaeda and ISIL not only because they misrepresent their views, but they also paint a very bad picture of the religion in general, making it harder for them to live in Western society.

Sorry for the long post, but I'd like your thoughts.

EDIT: Added a bit about how Feminism contradicts itself with sexism

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Title Theoretical: Why is (modern) Feminism so self-contradicting?
Author BlackPhoenix01
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Date August 21, 2015 4:13 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–]Senior EndorsedVasiliyZaitzev4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is sold as "F=M" but the reality is, what they want is "F>M".

Feminists want the benefits of being a man, without any of the responsibilities of being a man. Consequences, after all "shouldn't" be for snowflakes....

It is also a trade union for fugly women who want to mute the effects of female beauty--thus all the hate towards the Protein World ad for showing a sexy woman in a bikini, and all the lies like the Dove "Real Beauty" campaign which featured a bunch of un-bangable fat chicks in their underwear.

The biggest lie of feminism is about reproduction. It ruins countless lives, particularly those of young women who might otherwise have used their years of peak beauty, youth and fertility to lock down the best possible husband/father instead of riding the CC and becoming emotionally broken, shallow sluts.

Men and women are not identical. What is ok for men is often harmful for women, and vice versa. Men and women are intended to be complementary.

[–]1RPMahoutsukai1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's fundamentally flawed.

  • Voting rights are not rights. They're responsibilities.

  • Men and women are not equal. They're fundamentally different. They desire different things, they operate under different frameworks and they have different biological imperatives and goals in life.

  • There is no discrimination or sexism in the fact that women get paid less on average, or that certain areas like STEM have unequal percentages of male to female population.

  • Any relationship requires a leader. Any woman instinctively desires to be led, and any man instinctively desires to lead.

A movement based on fundamentals that are simply not true, or against the reality of the world, cannot stay coherent and non-contradictory.

[–]ECoast_Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are very few TRP men, if at all, that don't think that women should have the same access to opportunity.

The problem is - women get a pussy pass. Plain and simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk where shit got twisted with Feminism.. It should be geared towards equal RESPECT; Not equal RIGHTS. In our current, contemporary (Western) world, I'm pretty sure men get raped way more, and I say this literally (not that they don't figuratively). How many guys give it up to a cock-hungry pig, because mens boners were noticed? To say NO, means sexual harassment "He offended me with his hard-on, I felt unsafe". Then to follow through, the whole "Men CANT be raped, they ALWAYS want sex".. Extreme feminism invented Pussy Pass.. They are no different than Al Quaeda and ISIS, in a sexual sense. <Only thing with those groups though, is why they gotta fuck goats n shit (?).

[–]razorwan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? I can give you a simple answer-- the want to be entitled.

Most people are too lazy and stupid to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, so they go for the low hanging fruit. For many modern women, feminism is the low hanging fruit for so many facets of life. Are you too fat? Let's make fat acceptance a sexist thing. Want money without working hard? Let's make the non-issue of wage gaps a sexist thing. Let's also allow divorce rape to be a thing. Are you a whore who has spread her legs to milk ten cocks because of poor self control and a lack of self-confidence? Let's make promiscuity a positive thing in females.

All of these things are just excuses to give privilege to women under the false pretense that they're oppressed, when, for the large part, they aren't (in modern countries where neo feminism runs rampant)

[–]real-boethius0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the 1st and 2nd waves of Feminism are actually movements to be admired

Tell us about the research you have done on feminist history.

A lot of people believe that early feminism was a principled seeking of equal rights and responsibilities for women. This was never true.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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