Wait, what? We hate Rollo Tomassi now?

June 3, 2019

I haven't visited the manosphere in a couple months, and now that I came back, I see people shitting on him in the thread with his latest AMA as well as him getting kicked out of Red Man Group. What did he do?

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Title Wait, what? We hate Rollo Tomassi now?
Author eldritchfloormop
Upvotes 68
Comments 194
Date June 3, 2019 8:16 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit /r/askTRP
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[–]TheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (3 children) | Copy Link

This really isn't the place for this discussion, but the cat is out of the bag. Obviously there will be more said on this in the future. Meanwhile this link should refresh some memories on our (TRP mod crew) current position wtr 21 Con and the unfortunate bullshit surrounding it: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/bjvhpi/the_extra_chromosome_21_convention/

[–]KeffirLime112 points113 points  (72 children) | Copy Link

We don't hate Rollo Tomassi.

The value of his work is the value of his work. In that sense I personally think he's offered a lot to the manosphere over the years. Where the issues have crept up is in his association with 21 Con/Red man Group.

If you haven't seen it already, the 21 con founder had a childish rant to the TRP mods for not relaxing community guidelines so that he can sell and advertise without building rapport, or even contributing to the community first.

He was given numerous opportunities to remedy the situation, but chose to double down instead, eventually leading to TRP severing all ties with 21 con and Anthony Johnson.

The issue is Rollo was still associated with 21 Con as well as The Red Pill. Some, including myself, felt it was necessary that he denounce 21 Con, for the scam that it is. That he not endorse and participate in an event filled with cucks (jack Murphy), Feminine men (Eliot Hulse) and narcissist con-men (Anthony Johnson) that charge 2k a ticket to turn men into "Alpha male".

He didn't do that for whatever reason, he never publicly addressed it either, this lead to a lot of individuals within the Red Pill to make their own conclusions about him. Personally as I said, the value of his work, is the value of his work and as long as it has practical value I'll make use of that aspect of it.

The twist, which is what you are referring to, is that it seems that Anthony Johnson, being the loose-cannon that he is has given Rollo the boot anyway. I can't say for what reason, that isn't clear yet, we'll have to wait, but it's certainly a comical chain of events.

[–]superbat3330 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This. Rollo is legit. I was disappointed that for a while he was part of the circle jerk man baby 21 con

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're hoping to build anything bigger than a Reddit forum, it's unrealistic to expect to avoid BP society forever.

Like it or not, you're going to have to work with people you may not love, anyone who has worked more than one job should know the sentiment

[–]mulga12213 points14 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Why is Eliot “feminine man” ?

[–]KeffirLime19 points20 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

He posted a while back about him living as a woman, that because he had now fully embraced his femininity that he is able to be an authority on masculinity.

[–]HumanSockPuppet20 points21 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

him living as a woman

Wtf did he put on lipstick and tuck his dick inside his asshole?

[–]KeffirLime34 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much....

"In 2015 God began to call me unto a healing path, particularly the healing of my wounded connection to the feminine aspect of my soul. . So I chose to go in... as fully and deeply as I could. . I grew my hair long. I wore expressive clothing. I accessorize with pink jewelry and purple glasses. . I smoked pot, learned astrology and tattooed erotic artwork on my arm. . I surrounded myself with women, and slowly began to take on their nature. . Just like with football, strongman, business and my family, I gave myself fully to this experience. . I became a woman, to become FULLY MAN."

[–]HumanSockPuppet41 points42 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's hilarious when the reality is more exaggerated than your hyperbole. What a time to live.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honk honk.

Don't forget him talking about taking a strap-on up the ass.

[–]Pynewacket17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That is really sad and cringe.

[–]itiswr1tten14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He takes it up the ass from his wife

[–]TheBunk_TB3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If so, that would be his business. Dirty laundry level stuff.

[–]Bigspartandaddy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, no one is stopping him. He's still a faggot for doing that though

[–]omega_dawg9311 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

something about him is very very fake... and this is my opinion before he got involved in trp talk.

[–]Darrowww7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of fakeness, George Bruno seems somehow fake to me.

[–]nabosch5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something about him says massive flamer

[–]mickey__4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i don’t understand what’s up with his videos. Vortex method for stirring your coffee lmao and then reading some short gaffs

[–]Casanova-Quinn6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes him seem fake to me is his grandiose talking style. He'll talk about relatively simple concepts like he's some new age mystical guru.

[–]JamesSkepp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He started to go into vibrations and cosmic energies after he "stopped" his main youtube channel some years ago. Went downhill from there.

[–]Datanami5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All the spiritual shit I guess. He's fine to me

[–]black-serpent-dragon3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wondering the same, he always seemed legit to me.

[–]omega_dawg9310 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

as usual, money moves in and shit falls apart as guys go at each other. greed a/o attention. smmfh.

Rollo has written his books... they are worth the money and paper they're written on no doubt. like the guy or not, the written word won't change and the lessons are there.

but when you have a convention where grown men are being charged that amount of money... it better come with whores or gloryholes. instead it came with a cuck, elliot hulse who has always been strange to me, and other goofy shit.

here's a suggestion to the guys paying that money: read, read more, discuss with like minded friends, then practice everything you've learned.

if you need some pussy in the meantime, drag your heavy blue balls to the bunny ranch and buy some. then hit the streets and practice and fail and fail and practice.

smmfh at a group of goofy sumbitches paying that kind of money to hear people speak on the info they can read on the sidebar... free.

[–]Sad_Sleeper1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There will always be people like that. People that are too lazy to read and internalize everything. They want it the easy way. But then they can't do shit even after the Convention, wonder why ? Cuz they don't put the effort.

[–]steve_mobileappdev0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

even if i lived in NV i would prefer to make the drive to TJ over going to bunny ranch- beautiful 20yo latinas for1/4 the cost

[–]PadThai42-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had a FB friend who claims to be RP post Eliot's event on his page, and tickets were going for $2k plus. Told him he is being scammed, and said "why the negativity, we need our space too." Some people blindly follow this shit without evaluating their approach towards self-improvement.

[–]ac7144 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Can you possibly give me a quick summary of all the names you’ve listed? I’ve read various disparate info on them over the past few months but never something giving a bit of context to it.

For instance, one of the guys got real greedy and closed down a popular forum because he apparently got pretty religious. Another guy regretted ever suggesting that monogamous wasn’t the only type of healthy relationship worth pursuing. Essentially that spinning plates and getting life experience via numerous dates was unethical.

I fully realize what I am asking for is inherently personal opinion and biased. I’m just asking what you can share because I haven’t come across it and you seem to know what’s up with things...or anyone else reading this that can help me out.

I love TRP and watching related media but then at a total loss when reading certain names and the communities newest learnings or shifts.

[–]Ill_mumble_that18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's because the majority manosphere bloggers are fucking fakes. They are somewhat smart guys, but fake as hell.

You think someone who lives TRP just suddenly changes?


These guys are a bunch of armchair game theorists who like to talk but dont actually do shit or live what they say.

They understand the principles and have a knack for writing, but their core foundation is bullshit because they don't live it. They make up shit and use other people's experiences and try to pass them as their own.

They are flippy floppy like Mitt Romney because they are a bunch of pussies. Fuck Rollo, fuck Anthony, and especially fuck Roosh (biggest bullshitter of them all).

The names in TRP are not important. And I dare say I immediately distrust anyone who tries to make a name for themself using the manosphere.

That said, a total piece of shit cuck can write a math book and the content of the book, if logical and accurate, is of value and can be a tool for teaching. But that just means the author might as well have been anonymous.

[–]PIGamer862 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I made a lighthearted joke about the main RP sub mods, none in particular, being sensitive to anyone disagreeing with them on theory. I used the term butthurt. I was promptly permabanned. When I asked them why, they said it was for harassment. When I asked who I had harassed, I was muted.

If that isn’t the classic behavior for an offended woman on the Internet, I don’t know what is.

Edit: clarification

[–]redpillschool0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

We enforce the rules that you treat the EC team with respect (including mods). You can disagree without being disrespectful.

We don't tolerate trolls pushing away the people who put in the time to make TRP great.

If you approached mod mail and apologized you would've been unbanned. So I think there's a good chance you're not telling the whole story. 9 times out of 10 the unspoken part of the story is where the recently banned goes into modmail and calls everybody fags.

And then they are surprised they weren't unbanned. How curious!

[–]PIGamer860 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]redpillschool-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah. The greatest butthurt.

Edit. LOL. Looks like I hurt some “alpha” feefees.

Sounds like a BP troll to me.

[–]PIGamer860 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only the mods and I can see the edit in which I infer them to be phony “alphas” who reacted to getting their feelings hurt(not RP behavior). That part, which came after the ban, isn’t relevant to the point.

[–]redpillschool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what part of respecting the mod team you have a problem with but it's easy to get unbanned.

[–]ac7141 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whoa. That’s a lot to take in at once. I agree focusing on the names isn’t best. I never really have except this one time since I find the controversy fascinating.

With that said, most areas of interest can be explored through a handful of figures or groups quite well and is preferable to randomly picking sources. I’ve read a lot of stuff from fakers which sounds good and actually helps but later realize the authors don’t actually fully live life that way. What you’re saying rings true. It’s all about trying new things, keeping what works, and tossing out the rest ala Bruce Lee.

[–]BittyMitty4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

2k a ticket to turn men into "Alpha male"

Sounds like a cult...

[–]Ivabighairy14 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You could buy a lot of pussy for $2K

[–]adool9995 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any guy who pays for these people's merch or guides or whatever is an idiot.

Side bar, all time posts and that's enough. Dont be a sucker.

[–]neveragoodtime11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Respectfully, I thought TRP was amoral. If a guy like Rollo wants to use it to get his dick wet for the first time, game married women, or take a pay day, that’s his business. The guy has contributed a shit ton, and going to speak at a cuck vention isn’t the worst thing he could do. Maybe he was going to preach to the lions den, maybe he was providing legitimate cover to a bunch of conmen. He deserves having us listen to his side of the story before determining any consequences.

Conservatives will try and twist red pill knowledge to their agenda, and so will feminists. That just means it’s working, being assimilated into these foreign frameworks because the truth can’t be denied. Sure it means more bastardized versions that sucker men, but these versions will just introduce more people to TRP. The Rational Male is one of those introductory works, regardless of Rollo’s actions.

[–]BumblingBeta2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a guy like Rollo wants to use it to get his dick wet for the first time

Rollo was supposedly an alpha back in his 20's who was a rock star and fucked loads of random chicks. Well that's what he says anyway. Rollo seems beta as fuck, judging by his looks/mannerisms/voice. That's not to take anything away from his work - that is outstanding and very helpful. But I question whether Rollo is telling the truth when it comes to his past with women.

I seriously doubt he was ever an alpha, he's just living his past life through someone else.

[–]BenevolentBalls3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

What is this about Jack Murphy being a cuck? Seen people calling him a cuck but don’t know the reason why.

[–]KeffirLime11 points12 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

He has witnessed and consented to other men fucking his partner, he's also encouraged his readers to do the same.

[–]CryptoManbeard5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Patrice O'Neil did the same thing and people quote Black Phillip on here like the Bible.

[–]rbro19871 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I dont think patrice was endorsing cuckholdry. He was saying to keep a girls mind, you have to truly be indifferent to the idea that she will fuck someone else. To get over that fear he recommended the guy watch her getting railed to condition that indifference into him.

[–]CryptoManbeard5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok... So watching a guy rail your wife isnt being a cuck as long as it's for your own health? Cognitive dissonance much?

[–]InstigatingDrunk2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

probably some sort of stoicism. Granted it seems like hyperbole.. I highly doubt he let that happen to him.

[–]CryptoManbeard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Proof that men have hamsters too. I've listened to dozens of hours of BP and Dante Nero. He absolutely let that happen.

[–]rbro19871 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are pimps cucks too?

[–]CryptoManbeard0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A pimp doesn't stand there and watch And it's also his job. What do you call a guy who has one girl that watches her get taken for free?

[–]rbro19870 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No however patrice said the only difference between himself and a pimp was that he felt guilty taking their money. He realized that bc he was fat and ugly that he needed strong game to keep his women. He had that. Dude had ironclad frame and abundance mentality. He also had true indifference to anything his girl did. Also w regards to your cuckholdry claims he allowed his girl to do that so that he could get some strange. But feel free to continue taking things out of context.

[–]CryptoManbeard0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok. So he watched other guys fuck his girl but wasn't into cuckoldry. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Hey can I come fuck your girl since you have abundance mentality and frame?

[–]Casanova-Quinn0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Source? As far as I know, he did swinging and threesomes, but not actual cuckolding (just watching your girl get fucked).

[–]CryptoManbeard1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For real? It was one of the first few episodes of Black Phillip. I'm paraphrasing but he said something to the effect of "everyone should watch his girl get railed by another dude. It removes the thought you have in your head that she's on some pedestal."

I'll try and find it but I can't transcribe 9 hours of audio.

[–]CryptoManbeard1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nvmd found it.


I think it's around minute 3.

[–]redpillschool2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]BenevolentBalls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ. When I heard he was a cuck I suspected the truth got out through word of mouth, not that he wrote an entire article attempting to justify his cuckoldry. That is a low which I hope no man reaches. No man should be okay, or encourage (hard to believe I am using such a word in this context) his partner to sleep with another man.

Thanks for linking the article.

[–]civilizedfrog3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Guys, listen I have an soap that will make you alpha. Also, don't forget the meeting of stronk alphas which cost only 2k. Only beta cucks don't want to come (Jack Murphy is not a cuck okay. He gave me permission to fuck his girl, that makes him an apex alpha male)"

[–]GayLubeOil5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The first rule of Rolly-Tabasco is to always hold frame. While this can be interpreted in a reasonable way, it can also be interpreted in a retarded never admit you are wrong way.

This is exactly how Rolly interprets the rule. So when the community told him in no uncertain terms that 21C is stupid and gay, he doubled down and doubled down and doubled down. It became obvious that we weren't dealing with a rational male but a deluded stubborn Boomer male. Hardly the role model of alphaness.

But here's the plot-twist-arino Anthony Johnson takes all of his alpha ques from Rollo which means that he never breaks frame either. So obviously whatever disagreement they had spiralled into a psuedo-Alpha apocalypse culminating in Rollo getting booted from the 21 Convention.

This makes Rolly seem even more retarded in light of his triple double down on the 21 Convention. So the big question now is how is Rollerster gunna spin this one.

[–]bogeyd60 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

which means that he never breaks frame either

AJ is the literal definition of not holding frame.

[–]c_h_942 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Elliot hulse has lost the plot.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Jesus how cringy is that group, whole 21 shit to. What’s the name of that moron who act like he has deep voice and who smokes cigars all the time? He usually post some ‘dark triad’ shit on his website

[–]CaptainKidd961 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That dude with the "deep voice" who smokes ciggars is actually deaf. That's why he sounds so weird.

Regardless if you like him or not we have to admit that he is pretty badass if he managed to overcome his disability and get to where he is at. Most deaf people just collect paychecks from the state and are couch potatoes.

But yes, besides that the 21 convention is BS. The idea of creating a convention for red pilled men is awesome but the tickets are way too expensive and most of the speakers suck.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ivan Throne i think, that's him?

[–]CaptainKidd961 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. I don't know much about him but I admire that he persevered considering his condition.

I can only imagine how horrible it must be to be deaf. It does really limit what you can do in life.

[–]mickey__2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then i was wrong, i thought he want to act like some bad ass but ends up being phony. Now i understand, thanks for letting me know

[–]PadThai42-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Surprised anyone brought this up. I unfollowed RP subreddit when I started seeing tickets being sold for $2,000 to become a "male," and offering "safe-spaces." This makes TRP community no different than the PUA who sell seminars and conventions.

[–]kayfab22 points23 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The only thing you need from Rollo is the rational male its pure gold, a part from that nothing else...... i quit sosuave in 2015 because it was full of whining simps blue pill, i wanted to learn how to be an alpha male this board was not the place at all.

[–]mickey__2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

sosuave or this sub?

[–]millioneuroextreme2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]kayfab2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

sosuave forum

[–]mickey__2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

but why, i thought its good

[–]kayfab5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was there in 2015 i never went back, my ex girlfriend left me for a guy at her job after 9y and i lost my house and everything, i never went on there to whine about getting her back etc....

I just could not believe how weak so called men where on there, going nuts because they met a girl on Tinder and she never message them back, nor call or email...

For me those things are quit clear, if the girl goes silent she is simply lost interest or is not interested at all and who cares...

Your ex girlfriend dumps you just let her go and that is it.... it did not work the first time she is confused in her tiny little pea brain then fuck her.

When i was young we did not have the red pill sadly or alpha etc, i never ever called an ex back or tried to get back with her....

I went on sosuave to be a better man, be more alpha, and all i found was whining little wimps.

I just could not stand it anymore.

[–]Debtpass2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

fair my friend, thanks

[–]kayfab0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

i would like to add that this sub is pretty fantastic i spoke to a few people on here great advise, even if i will be 47 in June i still have lots to learn..... so asktrp is amazing so far, loving the post, the advise etc....

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i find asktrp to be much better imo

[–]kayfab1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am reading a lot still got much to learn

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wish you luck buddy

[–]Lukas133927 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol, withouth Rollo, RMG is just bunch of rambling pseudomacho men.. Most of them only regurgating his words and posts...

[–]virtualvirgincake28 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. I only listened to it when Rollo was on there.

[–]Onein1024th7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo knows his shit. His body of work is invaluable.

[–]BumblingBeta1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Richard Cooper is the worst. Have you watched his videos on Youtube? He literally just regurgitates phrases out of Rollo's books and passes them off as his own. Along with some other annoying soundbites. His before the trainwreck videos are lolbad, letting guys call in who have genuine problems and then just chastising them to make him feel better about himself.

[–]Darrowww16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I was going to attend the 21 Convention in Poland. Not sure I will now.

Don´t know what happened, but Rollo (and others?) were kicked out of the event. I wanted to attend mainly to see Rollo. Now I´m not so sure if I´ll go.

Grown men wanting to teach us manly things act like a bunch of whiny girls. Sorry guys, but I am pretty disgusted right now.

[–]nowboarding 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasn’t their cringey ass promo video enough for you to realize it’s not worth anyone’s time? And certainly not for over 1000 dollars a ticket!

[–]Darrowww5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You´re right. That was a bright burning red flag.

[–]SalporinRP11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well thank god you didn't. A bunch of snake oil salesmen profiting off the TRP ideology.

I mean just look at this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0A9NaKrok

Are these really the type of men you want to give your hard earned cash to? Biggest collection of faggots I've seen in my life.

  • Anthony "nightmare" Johnson who is there to peddle his "alpha" soap and by the way doesn't lift.

  • Washed up Rollo who is wearing a beanie and a jacket in Florida like he's a cancer patient.

  • Elliot Hulse wearing cargo shorts and hiking boots aka the uniform for high school autismos everywhere.

  • Add in Hunter Drew who I think is cosplaying as a hobbit: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3HoGrzOys08/hqdefault.jpg

[–]Slut_Slayer90000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Add in Hunter Drew who I think is cosplaying as a hobbit:

Agreed. Where in the alpha boy playbook is it to highly edit your pics like you're some insta thot using facetune for the first time?

[–]CaptainKidd960 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude your post almost made me spit my food out.

Uniform for high school autismos and hunter drew the hobbit hahahaha.

Btw Hunter Drew's wife also cheated on him. He said it during an interview on Richard Cooper's channel.

[–]TheBadGoy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, is Hunter still with her?

[–]LordFa935 points36 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Rollo is the nerdy academic in the TRP world of wannabe Chads

If you want a strong alpha leader type man to emulate 100% it aint him

But of everyone he understands the most and makes the most sense

[–]omega_dawg9321 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

alpha isn't a look... it's a mindset. steroids a thick beard and tattoos isn't alpha. if anything, going overboard worried about looking alpha is the one thing females see thru quick.

a strong alpha leader gets what he wants thru respect without demeaning those around him... men and women.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The men with steroids thick beard and tattoos almost always dominate social circles, have other men admiring them and women want to fuck them. That seems pretty alpha to me. And even if it isn't alpha, so what? At least they are having a better life than red pill masturbators on here who like to argue over the definition of alpha.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if you think having an alpha mindset is simply growing a beard, shooting steroids, and shining tattooss... and that those guys "always dominate social circles..." you're about as lost as anyone on this forum.

dumb, young, silly girls think alpha is a certain look. that's why idiots, losers, etc., can get them with JUST looking that way. 2 kids later and 100 cock miles, and "where are the real men?"

they'll learn. hopefully you will too.

[–]360_no_scope_upvote2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing any one should be emulating is the best version of yourself until you finally master yourself

[–]Chadster1132 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is Rollo not a strong alpha leader?

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo is not alpha anything. Have you heard or listened to him? He has the most beta sounding voice and mannerisms. His books are fantastic and he understands human sexual and interpersonal psychology very well, but he himself is far from being an alpha.

[–]R3ginal8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's a small group of people that have started vocally slandering Rollo. And yet, no one in this group has contributed even 1/10th of what Rollo has to the manosphere, nor do they possess even 1/10th of the insight that he has on intersexual dynamics. These are delusional, envious people.

However, these people did have a point when it came to the 21 convention (Anthony, The Family Hobbit, Jack the Cuckold, Ivan Throne). And now, Anthony has kicked Rollo out of 21 con, and Rian stone, who was one of the few people who also provided good information on intersexual dynamics, has also decided to leave. This is great news for Rollo, Rian, the manosphere, and men in general. Now the 21 con is 100% hacks and hucksters, and their bullshit is further exposed for everyone to see.

[–]BumblingBeta0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You mention Rian Stone. Do you think Donovan Sharpe or Steve "The Dean" Williams are any good?

[–]R3ginal5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


Donovan just regurgitates Rollo's work, and anything outside of that ends up being rubbish and counter to established red pill concepts by Rollo (see the relationship market value nonsense). And although he often does a good job as a host, he often acts like a child when interacting with callers.

Steve Williams is completely worthless. He repeats the same nonsensical garbage every time he opens his mouth, and he has absolutely 0 understanding of red pill concepts and often spouts nonsense that is counter to it. My understanding is that the only reason he is constantly let on the RMG is because Anthony Johnson is an idiot.

Rian is similar to Rollo. His work and impact on the manosphere and in helping men isn't nearly as profound as Rollo's, but then again no one's is - Rollo is called the godfather for a reason. Even so, Rian does provide a lot of value, and has been an active contributor to the manosphere (especially game and married RP) for a while now. Besides Rollo, he is the only other guy in the 21 con lineup that was valuable.

Out of all the RMG guy, I think the only ones that actively contribute value are Rollo, Rian, and Carl (Black Label Logic, another active contributor to the manosphere) . These 3 are the red pill OGs, and without them, RMG would have 0 value.

[–]eldritchfloormop[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo, Rian, and Carl (Black Label Logic, another active contributor to the manosphere)

I'd listen the shit out of Carl, Rian and Rollo podcast. Maybe add some more of a go-getter like Rich Cooper and you have a great lineup.

[–]Psychological_Radish10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well now that Rollo is no longer associated with Anthony Johnson and the rest of that cohort, hopefully people can finally stop screaming about him for it. But I doubt that will happen. It has become clear to me that the Rollo "hate" was always more than that. There's a substantial minority of ideologues on this forum who reject the notion that the Red Pill is strictly descriptive. They've drifted from intersexual dynamics theory and Game into making normative assertions about the way masculinity ought to be. Naturally anyone who doesn’t conform to these idiosyncratic standards is denounced as a Beta and anti-Red Pill.

I always thought it strange that Rollo would want to associate with complete charlatans like Anthony Johnson, but it seemed reasonable in light of his stated desire to grow the manosphere. Apparently that was a capital offense to some people here, who promptly seized on the opportunity to posture. I haven't the slightest idea why that posturing should be influential.

Efforts to purge Rollo from this sub are currently underway, and I don't imagine they will stop because of this development. It's been quite bizarre to witness, much like Mao's erasure of rivals during the Cultural Revolution.

[–]JamesSkepp1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nobody wants to purge Rollo from here, don't be melodramatic.

[–]Psychological_Radish1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

At least one prominent member of this forum has stated as much. But just take a look at the rhetoric. What are the logical consequences of denouncing Rollo and declaring him a Beta? The motives can easily be inferred from the natural results.

[–]JamesSkepp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The motives can easily be inferred from the natural results.

Conflict is good b/c on the "intellectual battlefield" Rollo will hopefully step up to confront the criticism and, unfortunatelly, the drama around it.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how one builds a strong house while simultaneously smashes the bricks underneath. I only see someone grinning atop a pile of rubble, victorious.

[–]redpillschool0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Efforts to purge Rollo from this sub are currently underway,

No, they're not. Have you seen the sidebar? FFS

[–]Psychological_Radish1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say it was an official action. The erasure would simply be the natural consequence of the shenanigans that come up whenever a Rollo post appears - although again, I have also seen explicit calls for Rollo's material to be tossed in the garbage. The predictable consequence of such attacks is marginalization of Rollo's work, especially among a younger crowd who are already predisposed to tune out the professorial lectures of a 50 YO man. I think we're already starting to see that.

[–]Zakkaro23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

""We"" dont hate or like anyone, ""you"" can have your own opinion on people/things instead of waiting for this forum to tell you how to feel about X

[–]brabg8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The red man group (21 convention) is the toxic one.

-Promoting religion.

-Promoting gay behavior to heterosexual men.

-Promoting blue pills.

[–]eldritchfloormop[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Can you provide some examples? I'm genuinely curious.

[–]SalporinRP3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just peruse their youtube channel. Firstly, 90% of the speakers at their events just look like idiots and spew nonsense.

Look at the most viewed video on their channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-a1jXgAsQI&t=

I'm supposed to take advice about women and life from some guy who doesn't lift that looks like a sociopath?

[–]TheBunk_TB0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Learning question: How does a person/organization do marketing correctly?

[–]SalporinRP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By not marketing bullshit like "alpha" tactical soap (I wish I was kidding).

The problem isn't necessarily with their marketing (although it's shit) it's with the content of the convention itself. The whole convention is run by Anthony "Dream" Johnson who is a snake oil peddler looking to make a quick buck. The content of the talks is 85% shit and the other 15% that isn't shit you can find online for free.

[–]brabg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If he is going to promote religion (and some specific churchs over another), it should be honest before people pays for it.

Religion is the main source of blue pill. Much more than feminism.

[–]brabg2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They removed a 4 weeks old video of the 21 Convention where most speakers, including Hunter Drew, were promoting "god" and their religions, including how "the mormon church is better than other churchs".

Rollo Tomassi looked so embarrassed. I don't know if that has something to do with this, but I find outrageous that they lie to the people they want to sell the convention without cautioning that they will be promoting religion and superstition, forcing to hear dudes promoting and bragging about god.

The removed video was live. It had a live chat, and the people complaining on chat about the religion were blocked.

They were literally bragging on how nice boys they are for being religious.

[–]inittowinit7771 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you expound more on the 2nd point? Sounds funny as hell for that to be part of a supposedly RP convention

[–]Darrowww4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I´m really interested if Anthony is going to offer refunds for 21 Con without Rollo.

[–]redpillschool3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would be surprised if he didn't already spend all of the money.

[–]GGrub832 points33 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

As time passes, more and more redpill-aware men who don't actually practice what they preach keep showing up.

Rollo is being accused of being such a man because he's married and doesn't (noticeably) lift, both things that violate many core concepts of TRP.

We also know that men are supposed to communicate via actions, not words.

So what makes him a better example than someone who doesn't say anything but clearly shows that he lifts and doesn't commit to the (many) women he fucks?

Rollo might be one of the fathers of the red pill, but he's being rightfully criticized for not being a good concrete example.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo says in his book that monogamy is a by-product of spinning plates, not a goal. He also says that you don't need to be having sex with a plate to consider her a plate. I recall reading the sidebar and reading contrary ideas. So, it seems that reddit is slightly different to Rollo's ideas. I think that Rollo just does what he thinks is best, and doesn't give a shit what anyone else thinks. Also, he looks like he is aging, you know, like you can't be spry forever.

And just because he is married doesn't mean he condones marriage. In his first book, he says that marriage is a personal choice and should only happen when a man is established and has his life together and has experience with women, knows how to game them in relationship, knows how to filter them and what kinds there are, knows how to handle that field from experience, gains the ambient confidence of knowing how to generate options that carries over into an LTR with competition anxiety keeping her interested. I think he says that no man should even consider marriage before, I believe he said, the age of 30 or 35.

Furthermore, he has LUCID descriptions of red pill concepts in his essays and articles. He's valuable to the community.

Any zealots who have their dogma and red pill creed and demand that all red pill people follow their personal creed are just being divisive for no reason. Yeah, people have different ideas people, I know, ludicrous isn't it?

[–]eldritchfloormop[S] 25 points26 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Rollo is being accused of being such a man because he's married and doesn't (noticeably) lift, both things that violate many core concepts of TRP.

Don't have an opinion on the married thing, but isn't he an outdoorsy type of guy in general?

Just because you don't lift doesn't mean that you aren't physically tough and fit. And I'd say those are the core concepts, not just lifting for lifting's sake.

We also know that men are supposed to communicate via actions, not words.

So Red Pill can't have academics and philosophers?

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think the hate is coming from Roosh scism.

Rollo is alright in my books. He looks good for his age, he says he's a lesser alpha. Out of all the guys on the red man show, he's the most measured and understanding in my observation.

He doesn't shit on the noobs that call in, unlike the other guys who are constantly carrying on with the 'muh dick' belittling people.

He still does his motor bikes and snow mobiles and stuff - so you're right there.

Ultimately, he's contributed more than 95%+ of this community. You gotta respect that.

[–]HotelMohelHolidayInn3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How are you putting this on Roosh?

[–]omega_dawg9310 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

lol. where have you been?

that fake fuck is now carrying a bible and doesn't want to discuss casual sex.

[–]HotelMohelHolidayInn0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How is he fake? The man still does what he does, he has rebranded what he says. This isn't any different than what RSD has done.

[–]omega_dawg934 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]El_Serpiente_Roja3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cmon we rag on females all the time about hitting the wall and trying to change their lives ..then fuckin roosh..the boogeyman himself decides to go mr.rogers on us...gotta admit its fucky

[–]HotelMohelHolidayInn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How? The man is having to rebrand because he's being kicked off of social media like every other conservative.

[–]markinsinz74 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People have quite the an irregularity of the redpill when lifting is concerned. Your overall point that more and more redpill-aware-men are not actually living like it, is probably correct.

On the other point; Lifting is almost always the 1st advice cause it's the fastest way to get back to feeling and doing shit like a man.

Instead of asking weak ass questions on asktrp you end up feeling confident and pride in yourself all that leads to you asking "wtf this chick is disrespecting me why am I wasting my attention on this shit"

Lifting is a core tenet but it's not a necessary one.

A rich ass fat fuck with a harem of women can be more "redpilled" than a jacked Chad.

Red pill as a whole is not some "definitive" person. It's just a way of looking at the world. A 'red pill man' is just used to categorize a person's personality in order to save time in discussions.

This subreddit has always been about 1 definitive thing only and that is 'what works with regards to sexual strategy'

Lifting just so happens to be the most basic easiest thing one can start doing to improve their life. As soon as being a weak ass bitch turns you into a chick magnet that's what this subreddit will preach. Cause what works is our only concern irrespective of morality. Lifting works and so does being skinny and rich or fat and rich or skinny and famous etc.

[–]Psychological_Radish4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're missing the reason why lifting is advocated in the first place. The Red Pill recognizes that arousal is the key component of Alpha Fucks, but muscles aren't the sole factor. A skinny model boy like Francisco Lachowski easily fulfills the Alpha Fucks side of hypergamy. Some guys are just born with aesthetically perfect faces and don't have to lift a finger their whole lives. But the best and quickest (and perhaps only) way for an average guy to become arousing is to lift.

The problem with lifting becoming de rigueur is that younger guys mistake that as being "Red Pill" in itself. That's part of the reason why, I believe, many of them don't relate to an older man like Rollo with a different set of skills and life experience.

Rollo is an exception in many ways. He claims to have played in a popular regional rock band during the late-80s, when that genre of music was at the height of its popularity. Rollo was domain dependent on being a character that women wanted at the time - a fact that he doesn't try to hide. It also doesn't hurt that he's naturally handsome and looks just like Brett Farve. Even now he's a very good looking guy for age 50. To my knowledge he's never held himself up as an example to emulate, except insofar as his marriage is concerned. Becoming a local celebrity obviously isn't a realistic goal for the average man on this forum who really just wants to get laid more and have more successful relationships.

In any case, Rollo has always been more about the theory. He leaves the applied Red Pill material to others. Rollo isn't Amnesty International, he can't do everything.

[–]BlakTheory2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nowadays only TRP hates marriage, in the beginning it adviced to marriage. So Rollo is Man of himself.

He has a good life. He supports the TRP.

[–]Osuxid7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

But why is it not Redpill to be marryed? Its not only just having plates etc. He can be marryed and still have frame and domination. Yes im a novice and maybe my opnion is poisened with bluepill but im trying to understand.

[–]ac7147 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m waiting to read a solid explanation of this as well.

From what I’ve gathered though it’s because you should only get married if there is a clear and objective advantage for it. There’s simply no viable incentive for it other than the woman leaving which isn’t enough because it simply means you weren’t high value enough to sustain the relationship anyways. Shed just walk all over you once you said “i do” (exaggerating the point, obviously).

Relationships change once you’re married and often that means less sex and catering to the woman’s desires, whims, and bossiness. If the relationship dissolves, then she tends to keep the lionshare of assets (properties), friends, and family (children). Starting over will be very rough with so much stress, loneliness, and debt while she gets to restart knowing she is better off than you.

Again, I’m just a long time lurker and this is my hunch what the explanation will be. Maybe some guys should get married if all the boxes are checked but that doesn’t mean it’s generally advisable, particularly for people first seeking out TRP who are under 35 and/or recently broke up with someone or is in a rough spot with the SO. Hence, so much reading not to get married.

[–]Atheist_Utopia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here in Holland there's an option not to marry and to have kids, so it's a pointless endeavor.

[–]JamesSkepp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men think that getting married is the ultimate and best thing they can do. This stems from tradcon indoctrination, living in sexual scarcity and overall BP environment we live in.

[–]omega_dawg932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

your game has to be tighter if you're married bc dread and other tactics are limited... very limited.

plus there's the financial risk if you blow it all up and divorce.

and about lifting... it is good, necessary and healthy. I've been lifting since junior high for football... never stopped. but it's not a cure-all. i personally think guys who work construction etc don't need to lift... but you fuckers stuck on gaming consoles all day with a blunt in your offhand need to lift to get healthier for you... not to be more attractive to women.

[–]JamesSkepp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In short, by marrying, you're fulfilling female sexual strategy. You purposefully, willingly, reject your sexual freedom (not to mention sharing resources and sacrificing your time) in the name of having a chance the the said women will not cheat on you.

[–]Skinnyboiwithadream3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t some sort of mindless cult, ‘we’ dont hate everyone that each other hates. Wtf.

[–]Whisper3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no "we". There is only me, and you, and the other guys reading this shit. And everyone gets to form their own opinion.

Yeah, Rollo has pissed some people off, but if you want to know what those people think, ask them.

Not my circus, not my monkeys.

[–]GandMeChattri0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said. Roosh and Rollo have had a bad month, but they've helped me and my life so much. I owe them my gratitude.

Not everyone has to point N like a compass.

[–]sir_shitfuck3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This place reminds me of a woman's club with all the drama, rumors, pouting and feminine bickering

[–]GandMeChattri1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most readers are blue pulled faggots still in their old mindset. Is it really a surprise?

[–]R3ginal2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We now know what happened:


Rollo always said that his mission was to help unplug as many men as possible, and as long as 21 con was positive with that goal, he would work with them; as soon as it wasn't he would part ways. After all of the 21 con bullshit was brought to light by the Reddit red pill guys, Rollo spoke out internally against the low-IQ, purple pull scammers, and the people that felt overshadowed by him saw it as an opportunity to pounce and push him out.


Sound familiar? Where have we heard that before?

Oh, that's right, WOMEN.

That's exactly what these guys were. They were just faking it the entire time, riding off the coattails of Rollo, his brand, and the manosphere, trying to scam vulnerable men out of their $$$.

[–]R3ginal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And here is the deep stuff 21 con is pivoting to:


"Manosphere 2.0", what a fucking joke.

Where can I pay $2k to hear more of this?

[–]MarioBuzo9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You're being a bit dramatic.

Almost everyone gets shat on during/after their AMA. The RMG dude says Rollo had some hard altercation with one of several other people in the group and it was too bad to not be noticed and have him away. Who cares.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Anyone got a video of that?

[–]MarioBuzo1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope, they said it happened privately. Just find the tweet about it, they don't want to talk about it more than that and say it doesn't change their view on Rollo's work, they just don't want to interact with him.

[–]Emerald__Faith-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Typical group dynamics, Hes just a provider male of information and anyone slightly bigger then him will just bully him out of the spotlight lmao, like when a bully takes a nerds homework and says " Thanks I wont beat you up now "

[–]MarioBuzo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who says he wasn't being the bully...

[–]eldritchfloormop[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Geez, I was just curious. Chill out.

[–]mismm 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

Well just recently he made a video about the Iron Rules and he back-paddled saying they weren't really rules, rather "suggestions".

Ever since he's gone mainstream he has been softening the message to pander it to larger audiences.

Not to mention the guy looks weak (doesn't lift), is married and there's really nothing special about him on the surface that supports his supposed alphaness.

[–]uwotm89127 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They’ve always been more of a guideline rather than strict rules. Most of you are just literally autistic.

[–]Eminencemiddle1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Iron Guidelines?

[–]virtualvirgincake28 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I could never understand his mental gymnastics around marriage. In the same breath as saying he is happily married, he says never to get married.

I still think he's the rp godfather and has my respect. Its just not clear on this aspect.

[–]Edg3head-4111 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

He says he’s happily married because he got married in a different time, he preaches against marriage and says it’s a bad idea for men because in this climate it is.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


Also there is the fact that there are "unicorns" out there. Women who you can marry and will be good wives and mothers and will enhance your life. The problem is that there are so few of those women out there that looking for them is a fool's errand.

[–]apoc20501 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is two-fold, few unicorns and few men who can ride one.

[–]capodonca4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He wasn't completely red pilled when he married.

[–]civilizedfrog2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being married is not bluepilled. Being married for the wrong reasons, without vetting and not knowing the after effects of a failed marriage is bluepilled.

[–]pointster_VSK4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which of any of them on the redman group looks alpha? Majority of them are married

[–]omega_dawg931 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

so you mean a football coach better look like he just finished his hall of fame playing career... or he's not a coach!

sean mcvay... yeah he's not a good coach.

if you don't know, a married guy has to have tighter game to keep his shit in order. if he's happily married and truthful about his relationship with his wife, more power to him.

the dudes who have been divorce ass-raped with no vaseline are probably his biggest fans.

[–]R3ginal2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The 21 con speakers have kicked Rollo and Rian out, and now look at what they're tweeting - sound familiar?



Red Pill, Blue Pill, Purple Pill, White Pill, Black Pill..

I’ve ALWAYS been No Pill.

As Real As It Gets.

Take That How You Want It

[–]R3ginal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel bad that Rollo got scammed by these guys. Anthony was always a purple pill salesman, and he used Rollo until he was done with him:

And now they're pedalling "The Manosphere 2.0":


Manosphere 2.0, starring Anthony "The Con" Johnson and George Bruno, bahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[–]michael_12151 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If the Red Man Group channel is getting deleted, can someone back up all the videos on the channel? They are priceless knowledge.

[–]RP_Mamba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not being deleted, the guys on the panel are just going to change.

[–]PadThai420 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Overall, I'm glad people are finally seeing through this BS. I delved down the TRP rabbit hole for a solid 6 months and when I started listening to that bald white guy talk about 21 con, it reminded me of that ridiculous PUA community seminar I almost went to in Hollywood.

[–]TheHumbleAfrican0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting discussions on Rollo, and generally TRP. Here are the only guidelines I used when I discovered TRP:

  1. Think for yourself. Never take what any of these authors/speakers say for the gospel truth without a pragmatic and philosophical breakdown and analysis of their thoughts.
  2. Learn about yourself and what you want out of life, your values, and principles.
  3. Do what works, to meet your goals and your objectives in life.
  4. Never pay (except say...$10 for the cost of a book) anything for someone to teach you how to be alpha.

I think Rollo has made a great contribution in helping a lot of men understand how women think. Is he fallible, and vulnerable to make mistakes in life like we all have? Absolutely. Lets remember that he wrote a blog, wrote a book and shared ideas that were worth spreading. He isn't the Pope or the Dalai Lama.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Should I stop watching red man group youtube videos?

[–]wheresMYsteakAt3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno , what kind of music should I listen too?

[–]R3ginal1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. Don't support Anthony and his fellow hucksters in any way.

I would suggest you subscribe instead directly to Rollo and Rian's Youtube channels. As I've said, I think these were the only 2 guys in the 21 con lineup that provided value, and now they're both out.

[–]Edg3head-414 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s funny because even from the beginning my favourite speakers on the panel were Rollo, Rian Stone, and Richard Cooper, and I couldn’t stand Anthony Johnson. It’s not much of a surprise to me now that he’s found a way to ruin the whole thing.

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

who the fuck is this we shit?

[–]R3ginal1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no "we". 99% of the manosphere loves Rollo for what he has contributed. It's a small group of spergs and crypto-betas that are mad at him for being so popular and think that their "super-sophisticated philosophy" should be followed instead of Rollo's work.

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hi, Im a rhetorical question.

[–]R3ginal1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got that, lol.

[–]Emerald__Faith 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Rollo is a man who dedicated his live obsessing over women, does not lift, and is married.

His obsession with how to get women has lead to some great ideas/Books I'll admit, but he's a prime example of a Beta.

[–]BumblingBeta-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Rollo said himself that he used to be a rockstar alpha back in his 20's who fucked multiple women. Do you think that's a load of bullshit? I think it is. He seems like a stereotypical beta in his mannerisms, voice and looks. He married at quite a young age. I can't imagine he was ever an alpha who banged lots of women. That part seems like a big fat lie.

Not to take away from his books though, they are great and I think people should read them to get rid of their bluepill ideals.

[–]R3ginal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you even listen to anything he says, or do you just keep shit posting nonsense? He has said many times that he knows what he knows today BECAUSE of the mistakes he has made in his past (such as getting married in his late 20s instead of at least waiting till 35, as he suggests). And you're trying to figure out whether he was an alpha rockstar in his 20s based on the way he looks in his mid 50s? Come on dude, get off the internet.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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