What causes women to submit?

November 10, 2019
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I've even seen females submit to the men in their families by being obedient to their requests. Even if the man is dating one of their family members. I'm not sure if it is fear or they just heed their leadership without questioning it. But they give the men their dating a difficult time.

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Title What causes women to submit?
Author RuleTheOne
Upvotes 80
Comments 101
Date November 10, 2019 6:16 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]yokai_e1even 141 points142 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

If I took a guess I’d say power, presence, and mindset. Nobody fucks with a man who’s got his shit together, knows his own worth, and takes shit from no one.

[–]Sylvester_Sterone 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This. Only comes from experience from putting in the work.

Being physically bigger is a start but...

I’ve seen plenty of big boys lacking eye contact.

I’ve seen plenty of big boys who give you that limp fish handshake.

I’ve seen plenty of big boys carrying a woman’s shopping bag in public.

I’ve seen plenty of big boys asking their wives if they can go down to bars with their friends.

[–]Greaterbird 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve seen plenty of big boys carrying a woman’s shopping bag in public.

I used to do this kind of thing. Thought i was just being a good helpful boyfriend and that it would be paid back in kind. That's what happens in an equal relationship right? Imagine my surprise when the favor wasn't returned and just went to the bitch's head instead.

[–]Kyomeii 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just women either, men also submit to stronger people. Hell, that stronger person may even be a woman.

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 18 points19 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is interesting. Makes you wonder why people who are involved in crime are so feared? Maybe there is something to learn there.

[–][deleted] 82 points83 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cuz they can kill you idiot

[–]MakoShark93 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cuz they're fucking smart. They are smart enough to be evil and do fucked up things without being bothered by it. Sociopathy channeled.

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks like Smarts + Physical strength = ?

[–]MakoShark93 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cunning beats out physical strength in my opinion. I believe a lot of criminals (successful) have an intrinsic understanding of power dynamics and that comes from being more in touch with the primal nature inherent in all human beings. Being able to view everything as a tool and having the hustle and self-initiative to use said tools to manipulate the environment around them to give them power (status, money, that vein) and recognizing that not everyone around them can tap into that mode of thought as easily as they can.

I think some people are born with this "knowing" (psychopaths) and others are "traumatized" into it (sociopaths). It's all very primal...but brilliant.

[–]OtherExtreme 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thomas Shelby from the TV show Peaky Blinders comes to mind.

[–]XyZ_MaN 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

if this is the case, then what causes men to submit?

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I want to know this, I've never submitted to a man regardless of size. If anything, I'm interested in how I can get that big

[–]yokai_e1even 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well in some cases some men are just weaker in terms of mental fortitude. Somebody like you won’t submit but others submit due to innate weakness. Other men can also submit to a man based on the respect they have for him. Respect is gained through fear or by achieving great things in the presence of others. It all depends on those factors.

[–]DonBullDor 48 points49 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The ability to walk away

[–]mancozbi 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple words and so correct.

[–]WhoKnows2468 89 points90 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

By simply being physically bigger than them. Since I started lifting the girls I have been with are MUCH more shy and obedient.
Amazing how simple exercises such as bench press and side lateral raises can do to your overall look.

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 14 points15 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

What are your thoughts on strongman powerlifting? Could that reap the same benefits?

[–]ZeppKfw 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as you get those gains brotha

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I'm nowhere a strongman powerlifter but I got that look of buff with some body fat. Like I'm 180lbs at 5'9 right now and I've got broad shoulders in terms of bones.

I may not be aesthetic but I intimidate most women.

[–]Andgelyo 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is my body type, I wouldn’t say “buff” but you can at least tell I lift with my broad shoulders and slim waist. Im your height and high 180s trying to get to 180 flat

[–]Aestheticcunt1996 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Fuck those powerlifting sad cunts. Get aesthetic and fuck bitches

[–]longjeep2005 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The owner of my powerlifting gym pulls the MOST tail of anyone I’ve ever met, and is a powerlifter with a typical powerlifter body. Very strong, huge back, thick core, probs 15-18% bf%. Not facially good looking. This dude has thicc 8s and 9s hanging out with him all the time. I’ve never seen anything like it, invariably the hottest girls in the place are always talking to him. He has status, good charisma, strong build, and is financially successful

[–]ForeverNandrolone 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep looks aren’t that important for men. Even ugly guys can do well if they push their physique to better than 99% of men. Also, women with any kind of brain will see the discipline and hard work it takes to get that big and realize that the guy is a good catch because he probably has his shit together.

[–]i-am-the-prize 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They a fucking strong tho. I rolled (BJJ) with a claimed former power lifter / amateur strong man competitor and his grip and torso/core was so strong it was humbling. Very humbling.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only people who train for looks do so to make up for their weak frame

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. The sad cunts are the ones who lift with the only goal of attracting women.

[–]schielegirl 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol! agree. olympic lifts are where its at

[–]schielegirl 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

youll prob like your results better with olympic lifting. more athletic looking. a mix of both is prob good tho.

[–]lifeisweirdasfuck 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget shrugs and neck curls.

[–]XyZ_MaN 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if this s the case, what causes men to submit? ive seen men who are built like tanks begging to worship a woman’s feet

[–]Terdmuffin 48 points49 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have to be someone they want to submit to.

[–]UsernameIWontRegret 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/thread

[–]currentlyinHell 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

Both answers are super spergy and flat out wrong.

It's in a women's nature to submit to a man. However, the man a woman is willing to submit to must be a man she considers to be an alpha since she knows he will be able to protect and take care of her. This gives the woman a higher chance of survival and reproduction (more important 300+ years ago, but same concept still applies). Hence the woman's ultimate desire being an alpha bux situation.

[–]XyZ_MaN 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

if this is the case what causes men to be submissive sometimes?

[–]currentlyinHell 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Mental illness.

[–]XyZ_MaN 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

source?

[–]currentlyinHell 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

It was a joke.

If a guy is submissive to another guy, then he is insecure or inferior to the other guy.

If a guy is submissive to a woman, then he is likely really blue pilled and fully beta-ized.

If a guy is submissive in general, could be a kink or one of the extreme minorities. Give that submissive guy some TRT and I'd bet a lot that his submissiveness decreases.

[–]XyZ_MaN 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i disagree with this, i am a male thats submissive to women but im redpilled af. (maybe not as much as others, but im still redpilled.)

[–]currentlyinHell 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's interesting. Do you mind describing a bit more what you mean on how you're submissive to women? I'm genuinely curious.

[–]XyZ_MaN 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i mean i just like “serving” women (sexually and domestically, e,g making breakfast for them and masaging their feet while they eat it) and them inflicting pain upon me. its the same as how a woman would submit to a man, but with the genders reversed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think there is ever a time or place for a man to be submissive to another man? Like when he is in the process of increasing his value/his place in the “dominance hierarchy” but is in the presence of someone currently above him in both? I think I read something in the sidebar about knowing your place in the hierarchy and acting accordingly while you are where you are

[–]MohamedSakhiri 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ability to walk away and the IDGAF status. Once they see you don't overvalue them and you're always ready to let them go and that wouldn't bother you cause you're not thirsty or needy, they'd start appreciating you.

[–]MattyAnon 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What causes women to submit?

Strength.

But they give the men their dating a difficult time.

Hahaha, no they don't.

The men they are dating ACCEPT a difficult time by trying to make it work.

If the men they are dating didn't accept that shit and just walked away, she'd stop doing it instantly.

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Trying to make it work" speaks volumes. Walking away is really impactful

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Some girls are too in their masculine from the get-go, and aren't capable of acting more submissive. Pay attention, and use compliance sh*t tests early on. Don't be afraid to next them. Same for girls who treat sex like a reward they give you.

[–]ShapedDrip 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you elaborate on using compliance shit tests?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell her you want to stop at Starbucks (for e.g.) with her to get whatever. Get inside and pretend you forgot your wallet. If she hesitates at all offering to pay, treat this as a bad sign.

Or, do something as simple as asking her to bring you a glass of water when she gets up from the couch. Does she just go with it, or does she maybe glare at you just a little bit, sigh, eye roll, or make any snarky comment?

Just a couple that came to mind. Selfish girls will be "submissive," but only when it serves them, and it won't come off as natural.

[–]VasiliyZaitzev 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Frame.

[–]maverick9759 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd say decisiveness and non reactivity. Are we saying the same thing ?

[–]Ohmyqueef 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep

[–]agjrpsl 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women control the sex . Men control the relationship.

[–]schielegirl 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

interesting. what do you mean men control the relationship

[–]Greaterbird 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only low value men push for commitment. Men with options wait for the woman to ask "so... what are we?"

[–]i-am-the-prize 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

basic sidebar. women control access to pussy, men control their level of commitment (aka: of relationship status).

your Time and Attention is your Gold.

this is where the RP/PP/BP power dynamic lies - does the woman acquiesce to a RP guys' goal of f-close within 3 dates, and then gives up her 'power' simply to keep him from walking? Or does he not get laid yet hang around, longer and longer "proving himself" and "making her comfortable" and giving commitment before she gives up sex? (BP normal)

the answer is easy - if you as the male are high enough SMV/RMV in her eyes, she will break her normal rules to keep you from walking (Women break rules for Alphas and Make rules for Betas. <<<< this is so true, as an older guy, I've seen it over and over and over).

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is gold Women break rules for Alphas and Make rules for Betas. <<<< this is so true, as an older guy, I've seen it over and over and over)

[–]i-am-the-prize 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cannot take credit for it. I’m Just the messenger.

But it resonated with me for sure.

[–]schielegirl 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow.. yeah The least sexy thing in the world to me is pressure. Guess I need to meet people at church or something.

[–]i-am-the-prize 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I see from your username (and this last response) that you are female. I didn't catch that in my first reply, hence " your Time and Attention is your Gold.". let me rephrase: " his Time and Attention is his Gold."

Church guys are horny too - but yes, some may be ok with waiting longer, although priests and rabbi's do actually have a lot of RP concepts buried within traditional relationship dynamic advice, many (most?) men and church men are BP and willing to wait more that the guys on this sub, on average.

If you're here, you're inquisitive, so let me expand:

The underlying dynamic is what is important to understand. As even the church guys, will have access to it. In one of the sidebar books, they referenced a study which 'proved' abundance being the default status for women- (nearly) any woman can get laid anytime they want if they lower their standards enough for that night/event/day/whatever. Meaning, she can go to a bar, pick up a guy and get laid. She controls access to sex, aka: women are the gatekeepers of sex. The study used a male and female model/actress/actor and had them approach 100 people of the opposite sex (this was in the US). So the male actor (good looking actor) approached 100 women maybe a hotel bar, cant recall the setting and propositioned them to no strings attached (nsa) sex. The woman actress did the same thing (she was also good looking).

Results, the man was rejected 100% of the time. The woman was rejected only 32% of the time, aka: had 68% "success" rate in instant casual nsa sex offer.

The study was decried by some euro social scientists stating that the US was puritanical and too conservative, so they re-ran the study (with different native speaking actors) in France. Same 100 genuine approaches by each male/female actor. Results: male actor: 0% success rate, female only 30% rejection aka: 70% success rate.

So all guys (who aren't fools) know women can cheat on them or get laid *anytime* they want, if they lower their standards to what's "in front of them". aka: women have 'abundance' as a default state. (one of the reasons why RP stresses men developing and maintaining Abundance, too, to equalize the power dynamic, BTW).

So what do men have? We control our Time, Attention and Resources (TAR). We choose whom to spend our TAR on and with. Which is why guys who give away any of those 3 casually and easily are low value men who do not understand their worth. So when RP guys say "we control the relationship" that's what we mean. We are the gatekeepers of our commitment, or not.

As far as being pressured - that's the interesting part - when you meet a man who really turns you on, one which awakens a part of your brain (and body) which you didn't know existed - it won't feel like pressure from him. It will be a drive from your side to lock him down, to not let him leave. High value men do not need to pressure women, we simply show them what they could have if they are chosen, and the women actually do the work in making sure we are compelled to pick them, to spend our TAR on them. How do they do that? By giving us what we want of course....

[–]schielegirl 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As far as being pressured - that's the interesting part - when you meet a man who really turns you on, one which awakens a part of your brain (and body) which you didn't know existed -

it won't feel like pressure from him

.

at this point i cant wait till this happens honestly. ive encountered so many high pressure no game cucks recently im considering nun status. ugh.. gross

[–]i-am-the-prize 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Keep meeting more men, it's a numbers game, and consider where - any bars near firehouses? or placed traditionally masculine men work?

If you are getting your PhD in that field, be a hottie and fit - you know what attracts men if you're on this sub. then get your shittest boots on and start testing for fitness.

good luck.

[–]schielegirl 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

thnx -__-

[–]ChemicalGiraffe 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Submit button

[–]candlesticksupmyass 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Money and charm I guess

[–]RedPilledRoaster 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being high value + not taking shit from anyone/removing attention from those who don't deserve it.

[–]muhboyAbdul 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone submits to the Alpha dominant chimp.

[–]leftyguitarist 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

all these retarded answers... it's the curse of Eve, where she is cursed to endure pain of love and childbirth and still revere her husband. the main reason feminists are mad is that they love and submit to men despite themselves. Practical applications flow forward from this knowledge. Be independent, and captain your own self-improvement.

[–]XyZ_MaN 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

you realise eve wasnt a real person?

[–]leftyguitarist 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you realize that working ancient knowledge is more important than anything Dawkins has ever said? here's your fedora.

edit: my bad I keep forgetting that this is plebbit and you have to downboat everything you disagree with

[–]i-am-the-prize 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The answer to your second question feeds the first.

They resist their man often as part of a shit test.

And a meta shittest is being submissive in front of him to another man, your first question.

And if she’s not evaluating the non boyfriend /non-LTR she won’t be testing him (resisting) so the natural answers from others come into play (she’s submitting because she’s smaller than him and/or is conflict avoidant and agreeable -females are higher in both traits vs men on average)

[–]RuleTheOne[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So being aggressive and larger in size will cause her to be more submissive.

[–]i-am-the-prize 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aggressive has "bad" connotations. And more importantly, actually being aggressive is usually a sign of a loss of Frame and not being Amused, ergo you can't be practicing Amused Mastery when you're being angry-aggressive.

I would say, instead of Aggressive, if the male is:

  • Assertive
  • decisive
  • not self conscious
  • not full of self doubt

She is more likely to submit to him...

(note, none of those items on the list have anything to do with physical size, they are Frame/mindset)

So, then you combine physical traits of the Masculine (size, muscularity, jawline, broad shoulders/upper body strength, narrow waist, deep voice, holding eye contact with her or other males) and he will be able to Lead her, aka: she will submit/follow - yes.

[–]schielegirl 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

rpw here:

well first they have to either be naturally submissive or weirdly conditioned/codependent/traumatized. lol.

im a sort of red-pilled woman who is naturally submissive in a relationship with a man who is a serious man. as in, he provides, he protects, and he professes (his desire for me). a man who is naturally alpha and doesn't feel the need to shout about it. a man who respects other people and receives respect in return.

i am NOT however submissive to cucks, time wasters, takers, assholes, people who make me feel bad, or men who can offer me nothing.

that being said I am prob not the plate you're looking for. (princess).

its easy to get low value plates to submit to you dude. all you need to be is kind of a dick and follow the typical douchebag steps the guys on here repeat ad nauseam. backhanded compliments. give her hot/cold attention. make her insecure. all of those things will work with a low value plate.

its shallow, but adding muscle mass or *getting involved in martial arts* is a good place to start for an all-around level-up in this area.

happy spinning.

yours truly,

rp princess

[–]i-am-the-prize 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

well first they have to either be naturally submissive or weirdly conditioned/codependent/traumatized. lol.

No. You forgot at least one category... women who do not submit in other parts of their lives and long to 'let go' sometimes and with specific (type of) men.

So I hear you that shallow negging and crass push/pull and putdowns work (best) on low value plates/women in general, but I think you're wrong to think that only damaged or naturally submissive women will submit - some may submit to no one in all other aspects of their lives, yet they long to "put down the weight" and "let go of the reigns" and frankly, to submit to the right (type of) man at the relationship and sexual level.

[–]schielegirl 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. You forgot at least one category...

women who do not submit in other parts of their lives and long to 'let go' sometimes and with specific (type of) men.

yeah. thats what i just said dude. thats the type i am. im a strength and conditioning coach and phd student. lol

but yeah point taken.

[–]i_Hate_us 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rear neck choke

[–]Azora 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Biology

[–]Sylvester_Sterone -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Attraction

Captain of the ship relationship

For example, yesterday we were leaving my apartment for the gym. Noticed the door to my 85 year old neighbor was open and socks all over the place... things knocked over. Heard him tapping on something.

As I pulled out my phone I told my gf to look inside and see if he responds that he fell and couldn’t get up. At that point I handed her my phone and told her to call the police.

I started talking to him to find out what’s going on. Told gf to hand me the phone so I could speak to dispatch.

Police and paramedics arrived

[–]SupremeBBC 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So this is your example of your woman submitting?....?? Lol

[–]Sylvester_Sterone 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s an extreme example of being a assertive in an emergency situation.

I’m not sure what OP is looking for...

Men in their families. Are we talking about incest?

[–]reaper555 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Centurion Card

[–]stay2ru -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Respect?

Is it that far fetched?

[–]rizzyfromthe9 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Frame.

[–]RivenHalf -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dominance

Be dominate

[–]schielegirl 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

dominant* dude

[–]RivenHalf -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't realize we were grading for spelling, you knew what I meant

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