Whats with all this blackpill crap?

January 20, 2020
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Ive been seeing all this crap lately on here that only physically attractive guys get laid. We all know guys who are not conventionally attractive or guys we think are even ugly who get laid. Whats with all this new age incelness disguised as “blackpill”?

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Title Whats with all this blackpill crap?
Author themangu6
Upvotes 172
Comments 149
Date January 20, 2020 10:05 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Protocol_Apollo272 points273 points  (64 children) | Copy Link

It’s what happens when the incels sub gets deleted- they have to bleed into the next best subreddits.

Unfortunately they don’t understand that red pill is almost the antithesis of black pill: red pill takes extreme ownership of what’s happening to them (perhaps over some things that can’t even be controlled) whereas black pill takes the “woe is me” approach.

[–]Hungboy696942053 points54 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yep I've seen alot of it since the incel sub was banned. They've been migrating to other subs and spreading their virus of absurdity

[–]Skylights100027 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I hate reddit for this reason. They had an entire container for them self’s and reddit just fucking banned it because they didn’t want to look bad to the media. And now they’re all up in our shit

[–]Ill_mumble_that13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reddit inc is a bunch of faggots. And I say that as a guy who enjoys sucking an occasional dick.

Reddit inc is run by a big fat cuck.

[–]Hungboy69694200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth

[–]WyldeCutter25 points26 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

eh "woe is me" is pretty bluepilled... i think black pill is more like nihilism... thinking things have gotten so fucked up that there's no use playing the game. just as there are true redpilled dudes and faggy beta wannabe redpill followers, there are true (albeit rare) tyler durden types along with hordes of faggy wannabe nihilists

[–]clausternn53 points54 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Bluepill isn't "woe is me", bluepill is working hard at your job to raise your family, buying flowers to your 6, proposing to her in Paris, then after a few years of marriage you finally find out her N-count is 50 and she's fucking some gym bro behind your back.

[–]omega_dawg9312 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

an n-count of 50 is nothing if you really know and talk to women.

i know women that busted the 50 mark before they finished high school.

what no man wants to know and what no woman wants to admit: girls get fucked a LOT! no... STFU and listen. they get fucked waaay more than you think and even more than they will admit.

they take their true and factual n-count number to the grave.

it's not your pussy... it's just your turn. just enjoy it while you can bc she is gonna use it how she wants.

[–]FakeBot84656560 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

No the woman you’re talking about is 1 in 1000 aka the popular high school girl that gets banged by all the teams. Most finish as virgins in high school

[–]omega_dawg9312 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

lol. you must be young if you think the only women getting fucked a lot are the popular beauty queens. that's laughable.

look over there... see that average looking quiet girl in your class? she likely has more sex in 3 months than the average guy you know has in a year.

with a clean vagina, NSA attitude, and desire for attention, girls can get all the dick they want every day, all day. there is no limit. some exercise that right... the right to do what they want with their bodies and it's their choice.

btw, just about all the girls i graduated with in (Catholic) high school were virgins... the popular pretty ones and even the average ones and bbws. they were proud to say they finished without being touched... some bragged about it.

those of us in the loop... the athletes and guys that kept their mouths shut knew they didn't give up vagina... but they gave up asshole and mouth daily to us and honestly, to a few teachers and coaches too. they were vaginal virgins... the other two holes looked like a war zone in Iraq.

this was in days before social media and smartphones.

we all kept our mouths shut.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

hose of us in the loop... the athletes and guys that kept their mouths shut knew they didn't give up vagina... but they gave up asshole and mouth daily

can confirm this tactic was used by "good girls" in my Highschool. some as seniors finally admitted to it when challenged by a BP out of the loop, "why are you still a virgin" guy who had no idea she gave up oral and anal like a champ. (his oneitis of course)

[–]FakeBot8465656-3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Amazing bro you’re a chad that could steal my plates. Srsly go jump off a bridge you live on asktrp.

[–]omega_dawg933 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

and this thread is not about me so why are you trying to make it about me?

if i live on here and you see me on here... guess who else is also on here? your mirror won't lie to you.

got something constructive to say... type it up... we're ready to learn from you. if you're here to make this about me, send your mom or sister to do your bidding.

if you're triggered by something i said, reply about it or go find some Kleenex... or take the easy route and STFU.

btw you don't own plates for me to steal. plates are community property. if you had any plates, you'd already understand that.

[–]FakeBot8465656-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sending my mom on your way my dear chad lord. You’ve fucked lots of assholes.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

true. and when your mom gets here, I'll do her asshole (no lube) and will send you a pic of it blown out & swollen... just like it was after she gave birth to you.

[–]kyonnnnn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i dunno how this is hard to understand. If you've ever fucked a girl real quick after meeting her at a party or something, you are not special. She probably does this weekly if not more, if you can bag this girl and have her busting it open after a couple jokes and a cigarette break trust me she's fuckin over 100 niggas.

[–]WyldeCutter24 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

oddly specific there buddy... everything good?

[–]FakeBot846565627 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not really, this is happening probably to 1/3 males in America.

[–]WyldeCutter2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

damn, france is making a killing off all that american tourism then

[–]LateralThinker132 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Dude, 40% of men and 80% of women in each generation spread their genes to the next generation - historically true all the way back to prehistoric times. A few Chads father a lot more babies that other men think are theirs. You do the math.♂

[–]WyldeCutter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that's crazy. just looked it up and interestingly enough, east asia was the only exception where the ratio is about equal.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

source?

[–]LateralThinker131 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://psy.fsu.edu/~baumeisterticelab/goodaboutmen.htm

about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

[–]xxx69harambe69xxx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

jesus h christ

[–]beachbbqlover12 points13 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I'm married for 11 years after picking my favorite from a soft harem.

TBH, if I ever split from this one, I'm tempted to say I wouldn't want to deal with the bullshit process involved in finding another. The Tinder game bullshit sounds really lame.

[–]AnneStaz5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dont listen to pop culture about how tinder is everything these days. In fact tinder is complete shit for girls and guys alike 95% of the time

[–]Ill_mumble_that1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would never use tinder unless I wanted to pick up gay dudes, but then I'd use grindr.

Although there are a few websites good for hooking up with cuck couples as the bull, I've had a lot of success there. It's a kink you dont just run into on accident out in the wild.

[–]RedHoodhandles4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would you want to find just another one? You'd be doing what you have done before if you'd still have it in you. Build a soft harem and upgrade the good one(s). Rinse and repeat.

[–]beachbbqlover1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because I've already done that. I know what's down that road, and ultimately, it's more work. The reason its TRP is because it gives guys a chance to learn faster and not get hung up on one lazy assed fatty just because shes the first thing he stumbled into with a pussy.

But I know that. Really the only dread I have I having to deal with training another one up AGAIN. Having to explain why she should do X, and gently shifting her overton window to Y.

[–]RedHoodhandles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Understandable. That's why I and many guys here shy away from pumping down too much investment into one woman, special or unspecial as she may be, because she could shit on everything in an instant and it would be all for naught.

[–]RaidenDark2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Just pickup in public like a real fucking person. It's soooo much easier. Tinder is for dorks. The only reason I use tinder is to piss off my friends that use it by sending them screenshots of stupid openers that work because they take it seriously and never get replies.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The only reason I use tinder is to piss off my friends that use it by sending them screenshots of stupid openers that work because they take it seriously and never get replies.

that's the sign of a good friend :) +!

[–]RaidenDark0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Tryna teach em goddammit. They still haven't learned.

"I can't act like that"

"I'm not that clever"

"That's so stupid it had to be luck"

Stop taking yourself so seriously, no one else does and it's a boring look.

Same guys who don't understand how I can approach literally anyone and strike up a conversation. I'm an introvert ffs, if I can do it you can too. I'd rather stay home and read a book or play video games, you dragged me to the club for the social advantages I bring.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have been out IRL with friends who dont' believe me when I describe "what works" i have to show them.

in the end, what you say matters less than how you say it. being a bit bombastic, whether negging or just being OI - it isn't about being an asshole, it's about showing that you don't care that you offend them because you have options and choices, and they're lucky to have your attention.

it works. they pick up on it. and they wonder, and they're curious and ego driven to find out.

[–]RaidenDark0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I ruthlessly mocked a girl at work once only to have her ask for my number, hire a babysitter, cook me a fancy dinner and shag my brains out that weekend. That was kind of in the middle of my red-pilling and oh man was that an eye opener. Obviously, I was playful about it and not just an asshole but still. I didn't have any goals, it was just self-amusement due to having a boring day at work.

[–]i-am-the-prize0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously, I was playful about it

that's the key. Amused Mastery (been there done that, with a smirk and a smile). no one wants to deal with angry. life is full of pita and stress. give them a ride and an escape from the daily grind and they will want to please you in return.

[–]SteveSan820 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]bulkorcutttt 1 points  (2 children)[recovered] | Copy Link

eh, I believe in maxing out, call me a faggy . But I think I’m just metrosexual, the only thing you have complete control over in life is you, so might as well max out🤷🏾‍♂️

[–]torques1230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No doubt that maxxing your looks out will give you huge gains, but IMO a guy who depends on his looks to get women is the equivalent of a woman who depends on sex to get men.

[–]Cvevea33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

finally someone says it correctly. I always try to bring this up on other answers and in the main trp subreddit but always get downvoted/ nuetral karma

[–]DANYboy522 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Well they are taking ownership if you count mewing. Whoever looks like they are holding marbles in their cheeks gets all the girls!

[–]clausternn5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

mewing

Is that even a real thing? I just googled it lol

[–]torques1232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What mewing is, is what your tongue posture should have been naturally. Its not changing your face but correcting it.

[–]DANYboy523 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah the idea is to use tongue posture to allow ones jaw to grow and look more alpha. It seems to actually work but when it does people like Mike Mew , the founder, look like total freaks. Women are attracted to a sharp jawline because it is a sign that a man is healthy not because he pushes his tongue against the roof of his mouth.

[–]TigerXtrm2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad this is a much upvoted comment. I see a lot of 'outsiders' who think redpill and blackpill are essentially the same, or that redpill is a watered down version of blackpill, even though they are polar fucking opposites.

[–]2SirKolbath67 points68 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

People with only a marginal at best understanding of TRP love to comment on it. Tune them out or call them out. There really isn't a third way.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right.

[–]HurricaneHugues73 points74 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You clowns come up with all sorts of excuses to not work out.

[–]mopar197139 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Genuinely starting to irritate me when someone who is physically capable of working out doing anything besides that.

[–]unn4med23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ikr. You got arms, legs, you can move. People don’t know how amazing it is to be alive and healthy. We only remember when we get really sick

[–]hoopingblob2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are dudes out there who have no legs and look jacked

[–]Inyox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, they only have to do half the work /s

[–]Sionnach17766 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost makes you wonder if they're afraid of how lifting will turn their lives around. They'd have to admit to themselves how full of shit they were.

[–]unn4med3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Real shit. People being subconsciously scared of success is a real thing & ego investments can be deadly mistakes to some people

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahah

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]vullnet12331 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Easier to whine then to put effort to improve.

[–]Hungboy696942011 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep no different than fat people complaining about being shamed for being fat

[–]saltyfiredude63 points64 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easier to make excuses and whine than to shape up and compete

[–]vondoom90046 points47 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Got to be honest. Sometimes I read this shit and it makes me sad. Like if I was in my teens early 20s and had all the statistical data thrown at me it would be hard to forgo a depression - I'm assuming blackpill is like you give up entirely?

However other than self development I don't know what the solution is.

[–]whiffofass 1 points  (3 children)[recovered] | Copy Link

I don't think it's giving up. It's simply over emphasizing looks as far as I know.

However other than self development I don't know what the solution is.

Most of them wish to and do get plastic surgery done. Eyelid reconstruction and all that crazy shit. Blew my mind a bit. It never ends up looking natural.

However as I said in another post I found it fascinating how they have broken down the features in the face that make it attractive (or not). As with everything there is some truth to it. Average guys can get laid but girls go nuts for the typical chad genetics.

[–]vondoom9007 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeh breaking it down like that... idk it's probably true but I've seen a fair few unattractive guys pull stunners with pure game - I mean a guy who is 5'3 and in his 50s pull a 20 year old ... He wasn't rich just smooth as fuck. I'd call bs too unless I'd seen this with my own eyes.

[–]erZoption11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The blackpill, it has some truth in it man. but those guys they just sit inside all the time, they have self hatred

But im not ugly though, I cant say for sure how it is for them

[–]chubz4you-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the most cope bullshit ive ever read on this sub.

[–]rope213134 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It fucks with your mind. Been there

[–]fretty5551 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im 21 now and found this sub when i was 18. granted i was drawn here through actual disappointing life experiences, my outlook on life is pretty fucked. i really have nothing to look forward to in the love aspect of life since it just comes and goes. but my drive for excellence definitely keeps me alive in other aspects.

[–]MrBreitling28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because the vast majority of people are doing NOTHING when it comes to maximising their attractiveness. I would say that it's a lack of doing and too much reading, but what is obvious in this subreddit, as /u/SirKolbath said - that people at best seem to have a marginal understanding of TRP.

I would wager that the majority just read some of the material, think they have some sort of 'Nintendo Power' guide to the female psyche and if they do Process X and Spreadsheet Y that girl will give them Z which is porn star sex with dripping pussy.

It's just not the fucking case. Women are attracted to high value men. If you are failing it is because you are not high value. The value comes from multiple facets - not just your face. You need to exude status, drive, power. Why do they love men with good bodies? Well it's not just that they like feeling it - it's because of WHAT it represents in your personality.

I could think of a handful of key variables that are important to most women. Some women place more value on some attributes more than others, often depending on their own upbringing, status, age, and place in life.

On top of that, men with experience learn that while there are golden rules that apply to all women - your mileage may vary with individual women. You have to massage the delivery of what you're doing to suit certain chicks. I've had women before that I could be brash and abrupt with, and basically treat like shit and they would love it. As soon as I showed any compassion they lost interest. Other girls have been so timid that if I even raised my voice they would be out the door - but both would follow me like a lost puppy when I gave them what they needed.

Basically it boils down to both a crab in pot situation, as well as people being inherently lazy. It's easy to just sit on the fucking sidelines and talk shit, but actually doing the work is a little harder.

What does that mean? They don't even read the materials - let alone live the life.

Be Attractive, Don't be Unattractive.

A man with experience is NOT AT THE SCRUTINY of a man with opinions.

Do the fucking work, or remain a sexless piece of amphibian shit

There are no cheat codes.

[–]boywonder20014 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think your second paragraph doesn't just apply to these black pill guys, but also to a good portion of the TRP community. I've seen so many posts about dudes enacting a formula for when they approach girls, or thinking when they see a guy pull a girl that he simply did X then Y and she responded in that way because all girls are Z. They fail to understand the nuance in TRP and fail to realize that you can only fake it for so long. You actually have to improve yourself, gain confidence, and naturalize these techniques for them to work in a fluid manner. I feel like a lot of these guys are the weird dudes trying to neg groups of girls at the bar.

[–]muricanwerewolf12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing I see the most of is people who seem very angry, and give advice that makes anybody who take it act like a maniac. Things as petty as “never talk to her again if she cancelled on a date” or didn’t reply to a text or something. Like there’s a big difference between keeping it moving or getting mad and burning bridges.

Some of the shit dudes say they nope a woman for are comical. Like a dude today said he ignores women who say they won’t fuck him on the first date but want to have sex the next day. Why? It’s a weird flex, makes me think it’s a larper who doesn’t quite get it.

[–]redvelvet_oreo7 points8 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh so that’s what’s been going on lately. I commented on a post recently about the benefits of cold approaching and getting away from online dating apps. I currently plated a model which I didn’t really know she was a legit model untill her social media popped up on my IG. I’m short and thus the reason why I was explaining how cold approaching and social circle game work.

A few kids in the comments demanded proof or else my advice is “not valid” lol.

OK I get it. It’s the internet and how can a short guy fuck a model?

I check their post history and none of them seem to read red pill and only post pics on rate me and only believe guys who are 9s and 10s are the only ones that can get laid. One dude was actually good looking but based on his profile I can tell he is a soy faggot. The other dude is 100 pounds.. I remember reading TRP a few years ago and just going out and trying it and changed my life. I swear this new wave of young people are fucking retarded.

[–]themangu6[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

May i ask your height.

[–]redvelvet_oreo4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

5’5 the chick is 5’7.

[–]themangu6[S] 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your badass as fuck. Im 5’5 too. Im not where i want to be yet but im working on it. Wont let the negativity stunt me.

[–]redvelvet_oreo6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude you will get there. It’s been 3 years since I found TRP. I got my shit together. I practiced game a lot. I started lifting. I knew game worked based on previous experiences I had when I was younger. I realize being short has its disadvantages and you do lose acces to certain amount of women but to say you can’t fuck a 9 or 10 because you’re short is bullshit. It’s just another excuse to for you to do not do something.

It’s fucking astonishing how insecure some 9s and 10s can be and how some 6, 7,or 8s can be so god damn rigid about a guys height or looks.

At the end of the day a girl is attracted to your masculinity. Looks help and some girls will instantly go Gaga if you’re 6’3 and handsome but how many perfect looking guys don’t get laid? Plenty. How many great looking guys fuck it up? Plenty. How many short guys get laid? Plenty out there. It’s like every person has a story of some short guys who kills it with girls.

Being tall and handsome just gets you way more intial IOIs and gives you a lot of easy opportunity. This shit dosent phase me. I just think of it as she dosent even know she wants to fuck me yet. I have to put in more work maybe then a taller dude and experience more rejections but hey that’s the cards I been delt.

There have been times where I just give good eye contact and make a girl laugh and we are hooking up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice. Props to you.

[–]xtrusters0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

how are you defining 'game' in terms of cold approach out of interest?

How might a typical approach on a girl at a bar look? (assume she's not instantly super into you). Do you think you can 'turn' a girl from a hard 'no' too a 'yes' with ''game''?

If so, what sort of things do you say? Whose method do you use? Mysterymethod? (so you neg her, disaqulify yourself, tell a DHV story about your model ex GF etc?). Or more RSD style where you are just asking her about herself and showing that you are fun and non-needy etc? Something else?

[–]redvelvet_oreo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How might a typical approach on a girl at a bar look? (assume she's not instantly super into you). Do you think you can 'turn' a girl from a hard 'no' too a 'yes' with ''game''?

I never go into a set thinking its going to be a no. I always assume its going to be a yes untill its a no. When I approach a girl I have no pre mesmerized script in my head.

I just go in with whatever pops into my head first and the situation in the enviorment. If shes standing there with a drink in her hand by herself at the bar I would approach and say soemthing like "why are you scaring everyone away?" - while having a smirk on my face and say it in a way where im joking around. The key is not exactly what im saying but how I am saying it and assuming familiarity. Its like I already know her. I dont focus alot on the "opener" because like RSD Tyler said once "The Set is already Open" and it is.

My game is mostly based on RSDs intent based, natural game with a mix of some stuff I read here on TRP. Personally I think if you have to memorize a script or something like that then your missing the point of how to game. It should feel natural ad you know what to do when things go out of the norm.

I treat most things like a shit test and respond back with some level of absurdity. I refrain from logical conversations as much as possible with women because it bores them. They need to FEEL. I rather get a bad emotion then nothing at all.

Another key point for how I game is I am always looking for ways to self amuse myself. I never go in with a specific outcome for the night or day. If I go out im going out to have fun but I am trying to find way to amuse my self. If a set goes wrong I just laugh off the rejection because it is funny to me. Guy wearing funny glasses? I will lob a shit test ("you look like elton john with those glasses")at him with a smirk and laugh. If he responds good or bad is irrelevant I can just keep moving on. This usually leads me to chatting up people all around me making silly jokes etc and I wind getting into a good flow, getting numbers, make outs, and sometimes a ONS at the very leas I got to know a few people. I have made very good friends from just gaming people in a night club. Its funny where gaming can take you. I game everyone. Its fun.

[–]Infernir5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mediocrity and degeneracy are all most blue pill or incel guys are used to. Saying you have to genetically be a 9/10 or 10/10 person to follow TRP makes it easy, provides an escape because following TRP is more difficult than anything they've been asked to do in their entire lives.

In context, the black pill philosophy makes no sense whatsoever. While the red pill philosophy makes perfect sense. For all of history, only females have had beauty standards. Men have always had a "threshold" though... but after you pass that threshold physical attractiveness and looks... have heavy heavy diminishing returns and don't matter much. Behavior is everything.

People always have excuses for not doing difficult things in life. If its going to the gym they will be like "Well I can't i'm too lazy... or "Well i'll start doing that some day!"

Or if it's eating healthy or taking their family on vacation "Oh yeah okay sure we will do that next year" "oH OK yeah sure we will start doing that" yet they never do anything and always have excuses.

If it's talking to a cute girl or starting a business? "Oh man I'd definitely do that but sadly i am not intelligent enough i am not funny enough i am not sexy enough i am not blah blah blah retarded illogical pointless excuses excuses excuses" The only shit that matters is getting shit done, everything else means nothing but wasted time & self pity bullshit.

Remember that elliot rodger guy? He was sexy as fuck physically ... but because of his mental frame, his attitude, his behavior & treatment around women... stop fucking trolling me fuck off you dumb shits of course women wouldn't want to fuck him.

Also, fine let's entertain the black pill beliefs and say physical appearance is everything... hint hint. the grass is always greener on the other side.

Everyone is beautiful in their own way... the truly beautiful thing for men though is confidence, high self esteem dominance. People will always admire other's beauty but never their own, this is why women obsess about their appearance so much because THEY ADMIRE OTHER PEOPLES. You're not a women, so stop acting so feminine and retarded like one.

The blackpill fails because it plays & operates on feminine thinking & mindsets, to focus entirely o appearance to attract mates, THIS IS FEMALES MAIN AND ONLY STRATEGY... and has been for all of mankind. Do you see how messed up it is now? To adopt a female's main strategy and belief system to your own? That will kill yourself as a man. Imitation is already suicide when it comes to other dudes since you aren't them, but now people want to be like females lol.

A women can appreciate beauty in any man even 1 or 2 below 5/10 physical attractiveness... as long as that man is alpha.

The blackpill philosophy is a side effect of the real, serious, and far far more graver & depressing problem of men in 2020 they've lost a lot of masculinity from men in the past, testosterone, and become more feminine

[–]manwithneurons0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

amen brother

[–]RPNorvell[M] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Report it or username page me. I have a very short fuse when it comes to guys who refuse to get out of their own way.

There will always be those who realize they can actually do something to improve, and you have to give a little time for the unplugging.

Unfortunately it's very easy to distinguish the difference.

[–]Filmguy0005 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The black pill does have some truths. I've been lurking in the red pill sub for over 5 years now. And I have done alot of reading and practicing. I had some moderate success with women since but nothing to cry home about. I am the below average, 5'6 dude that incels say can't get laid. Sure, its not impossible. But being out in the world and seeing how it works, a red pilled ugly dude will still have far less opportunities than a naturally good looking dude with not-so-great game. It's just how it is imo.

[–]6paths_luds 1 points  (5 children)[recovered] | Copy Link

They be like « Height>face ». « Based », or whatever bullshit

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have a buddy with a college age stepson. The kid is 6'5, good looking guy. My bud got with the mom as he was in 10th grade. Tried to instill something in him. Nothing worked. Kid lived in his room. Did't even get a driver's license, never showed any interest in girls.

The minute he technically became an adult he moved to Florida to live with biodad. He's been there 4 years, did nothing but develop his weed habit. No job, getting fatter, no hygiene for weeks at a time. Living in an RV at the back of the property.

The FBI just raided the place. Lots of kiddie porn, apparently. Took all the harddrives, everyone got released pending charges.

Still think all it takes is height and a pretty face?

[–]redblueninja1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. Was tall, good looking and a loser.

[–]vondoom900-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm... If you can't get laid and you're a tall dude you're fucking pathetic to me. Girls will date a complete fuck up if he's tall - I mean Like someone who can't get it together at all so to have that and still not get laid... Pathetic.

[–]BoomBeachBruiser5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think being tall is so important, TBH. I'm only 5'7" and I've never had trouble getting laid. I just bang short chicks! I'm pretty active though. Not jacked, but athletic looking.

[–]Foolishoe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Report it.

[–]PatrickIIDX6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The black pill is bullshit. Work on your social aspects and looks the best you can... and I mean give it your best. At least one girl will show attraction to you.

[–]power_cleaner-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That’s not true.

Looks 100% mean the most. But it’s better to put effort in things than not.

[–]PatrickIIDX2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To be real, lots of men have lost the genetic lottery as far as facial looks go, so you got to figure out what else you can do, such as physique, clothes, hairstyle and of course socializing.

[–]power_cleaner0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Every time I got laid was because the girl thought I was attractive. I already have a decent haircut I think, wear clothes that fit and have a great physique. Socializing could use work but that’s it.

[–]PatrickIIDX0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, once you know that not everything in the world is as it seems and you see it as fun, you don't care and you feel great going out and naturally meeting people.

[–]power_cleaner0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like meeting people. I just hate going out with my friends because they try so hard to get laid. It’s annoying. I feel like every action we take is to increase chances.

[–]PatrickIIDX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what you mean. I cringe with some of the people I hang out with in public. It almost seems like you have to hang out by yourself when meeting strangers.

[–]SavorThePill1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I took the red pill over two years ago. I've immersed myself in the tenets and ethos faithfully. It changed my life for the better in many ways as I've stayed on the road of focused self-development ever since.

However, I exposed myself to the black pill a couple months ago and I still can't fully shake it. Just like how you can see the truth in the red pill, one can see truth in the black pill as well. Yes, just as the red pill typically elicits an anger phase, so does the black pill. The latter of which is so strong in fact that we've all seen how distraught some black pills and incels become. I can tell you from personal experience that the black pill can really fuck with you, even if you're entrenched in red pill philosophy.

I'm not advocating for the black pill. I'm simply saying that as an ideology analogous to the red pill, it certainly has legs to stand on. If the black pill didn't contain some compelling theory, then it wouldn't have the following that it does. Thus the black pill has been spreading. Hell, it would be negligent to ignore that even blue or purple pill can seem reasonable. Again, few people would subscribe to any of that if it clearly seemed like a load of shit.

We say they're stupid...they say we're stupid. It's all tantamount to politics: the debate never ends.

I'll continue to take TRP as the gospel. After all, TRP has benefited me in the long-run. Still, I wouldn't deny that most guys won't get the sort of attention as one who looks like a Brad Pitt doppelganger. As an admonition to anyone that reads this: if you haven't already, don't take the black pill--it will only hold you back. Trust me.

[–]redvelvet_oreo3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not advocating for the black pill. I'm simply saying that as an ideology analogous to the red pill, it certainly has legs to stand on. If the black pill didn't contain some compelling theory, then it wouldn't have the following that it does. Thus the black pill has been spreading. Hell, it would be negligent to ignore that even blue or purple pill can seem reasonable. Again, few people would subscribe to any of that if it clearly seemed like a load of shit.

We say they're stupid...they say we're stupid. It's all tantamount to politics: the debate never ends.

I didnt even know what TBP was untill an hour ago. After somewhat understanding what it is though it seems rather silly if you were to compare the two. Like if you had success with TRP does TBP even make any sense any more? It just sounds to me that people follow it because they relate to it and then they go down this dark rabbit hole of nihilism. Negativity can be an addicting.

Without knowing much about it I will say now at days it seems you can get 100s to 1000s of people to follow something as long as its somewhat relatable or if people feel like they "need" this. Social media is a good example. How many jacked and tanned steroided idiots are giving out terrible work out advice yet have huge followings? People will follow anything now at days.

I'll continue to take TRP as the gospel. After all, TRP has benefited me in the long-run. Still, I wouldn't deny that most guys won't get the sort of attention as one who looks like a Brad Pitt doppelganger. As an admonition to anyone that reads this: if you haven't already, don't take the black pill--it will only hold you back. Trust me.

Although it maybe true you may not get as much attention as brad pitt why would it even matter once you have already maximized your potential and are living at your best? See when the latter occurs you stop giving a shit about Mr.Pitts great life because your life is fucking amazing. How do you know Brad Pitt wouldn't want to be you just to get out of the lime light?

Imagine your self 10 years from now and lets say have accomplished the following:

  • Jacked
  • Started a business that makes 1 Million annually.
  • Fucked a bunch of women because of good game.
  • Have an awesome Social Circle
  • Owns House & Tesla
  • Traveled the world.

Do you still give a shit about Brad Pitt?

[–]SavorThePill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see what you're saying, and I agree for the most part. I'm just saying that we can't deny how much mileage one can get out of looks...the whole be attractive, don't be unattractive thing. Of course, attractiveness is based on varying scales for different people.

All that would be great, but I just wish I had more time to do what I love haha. But hey, I'm duty based...are we more duty based at TRP? I digress. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

[–]Hubblenobbin2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is not an insult. Go read "Rationality A to Z" by Eliezer Yudkowsy or take a critical thinking class somewhere. At least read some of "A to Z", especially on biases, and then read a black pill forum. It becomes glaringly obvious what kind of errors in reasoning they're making. Apply this to RP too, there is some silly theory around here as well, but nowhere near the amount in BlackP forums.

I'll continue to take TRP as the gospel.

Do NOT do this. Kill all gurus, think for yourself.

[–]SavorThePill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was going to give a long-winded and contentious response, but I really don't want to argue. For future reference, when you start with "not an insult," anyone will read it as insult regardless. Metalanguage

[–]Hubblenobbin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how else to put it, because IME people take the idea of needing honing of their critical thinking skills super personally, when in reality it's a herculean task to be rational as a human. There isn't a great strategy afaict, and I have to rely on you to be open enough.

[–]GandMeChattri1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only solution is mods gotta work harder and ban all the incel/cuck posters unfortunately.

[–]uchihaitachi12371 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Atleast the black pill doesn't say "if she cheated on me it's my fault" like the blue pill. I don't know what they have against self improvement though which is the emphasis of red pill

[–]Sionnach17761 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I say welcome the incels.

Call me a sentimental pussy if you want, but it kills me that there are as many men as there are that are miserable, lonely, pathetic and weak, on the cusp of suicide. Incels and incel language is what guys look like right before they decide "fuck it" and off themselves.

For a lot of these guys, TRP is probably the only path they can take that will lead them out of the depths of whiny misery that most of them are currently in. A path of self-ownership, responsibility, strength, and freedom. The women, that's just a side-effect and a bonus.

The black pill crap is easy to refute. Let em in. They can't call us feminists if nothing else - we have a pretty solid chance of turning these kids around.

[–]muricanwerewolf10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can tell because they start asking questions about face gains and “facemaxxing” lol

[–]AegonTheC0nqueror0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of the most toxic subcategories of this blackpill I've seen are the race pill. I won't lie though, when they throw so many statistics and real life examples at you, it's easy to get bogged down or even depressed by the evidence. It's best to do your own thing though, as everything can potentially be anecdotal.

[–]JSuma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill seems to acknowledge the uncontrollable and rationalize that theres no point in even trying because the obstacle is too great. In reality, incels just wont take ownership and maximize the things within their control like fitness, diet, headspace, values, hobbies, game, etc. Working on things within our control is enough to get laid, easily. If the things out of your control keep you up at night then pick a god to pray to, thats what religion is for.

[–]liquorbaron0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of it goes too far but there's redpill in it. IF you look like Quasimodo that got set on fire then you're going to have issues with attracting women no matter how much lifting you do vs Chad male model Thundercock. All it is is acknowledging that.

[–]CasualPlay3r0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as a pretty boy i can tell you that yes, looks catch initial attention but if you are not a man, they wont get you far with women

[–]throwawaybpdnpd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill is a “phase” that most of us go through before becoming redpilled...

It’s basically just denial/hatred before acceptance

The weaker ones will get sucked into it while the stronger ones will move on to take advantage of the RP knowledge/facts

[–]WonderfulPipe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm from Mexico, and once in the bus station I saw a short, skinny, ugly dude, with a tall hot blonde by his arm. Blondes are in no way common here. He wasn't attractive, neither had money because we were in the bus station.

That was a very redpill moment.

[–]HillaryLostTheEC0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't belive that one bit, it's your vibe that gets girls. I've seen guys who aren't the best looking but have good looking girls by their sides and have good social skills.

[–]Keletirios0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get why everyone hates blackpill. You can be blackpill and work at yourself.

Blackpill is the objective truth of the world, redpill is the action plan you use to pull yourself back from the brink. It's not even like they contradict each other.

[–]jenovajunkie0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill Incels are those guys who don't have access to what these "Red Pilled" men have. Sure you can say "we take responsibility for our actions", but sometimes that's not enough. Women still ostracize you,

Some men don't have avenues to express their frustration, or they are just surrounded by dumb fucking people whom exasperate the issues they have. Black Pilled are just in a really vulnerable and bad place. and this narcissistic society doesn't care. Likely, blackballed people see the world as really unfair to them, specifically.

Man, it's just Inceldom on steroids. It's incels who repeatedly get their heartbroken, shamed, ostracized, by both "Stacy's" and "Chad's", but even more than that, maybe a chunk of society as well, they receive no compassion, and the pain turns into hate.

Very few will commit murders, although in the US there has been a number of school shootings, and although not related to incels, specifically blackballed incels, all you have to do is study what some of these kids are taught, and how they are treated. Then maybe you can understand how someone goes from being made fun of and called an Intel, to eventually being one, then blackballing themselves.

Think of it, TRP is like "fight club" for males right? Imagine how these immature boys talk down to other immature boys, who are hurting, they have low self esteem, people don't like them, girls treat them like shit, don't want to talk to or be with them. Then these boys who are getting made fun of from all avenues, don't have the right resources or influences around them, most of you would crumble.

[–]whereyougetthisguy 1 points  (1 child)[recovered] | Copy Link

It is absolutely hilarious to see you giving advice.

[–]jenovajunkie-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im not giving advice, I'm explaining how I understand them loosely.

Thanks for reading.

[–]Onein1024th0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

mods should add a ban on blackpill to the sub rules

I've had a few arguments with incels on here who want to wallow in their own self-induced hopelessness because of [ugly/short/stupid reason]. They only argue back about how hopeless they are. Now I downvote and move on, not worth helping someone who doesn't want help.

[–]Dboy2233-3 points-2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

If your physically un attractive and getting laid your beta bucks this is sidebar 101. Women fuck slobs because those slobs pay for their dinner and buy them shit.

[–]Hungboy69694204 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think women care about a free dinner that much.

[–]Foolishoe1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Charisma is king. Also knowing your demographic is essential. Social awkwardness causes most of the issues.

[–]themangu6[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

This can be the case. But its not always the case. One of my best friends, is a fucking slob. Hes 5’6 but tells everyones hes 5’9. Hes fat as fuck at 5’6, 190 lbs. he is a loser. Takes one class a semester, i had to give him his first bed cause he had no money. He may have a handsome face but it is nothing exceptional. Has a dui he cant even afford a lawyer for. This guy fucks. And no he isnt beta bucks, but this dude has fucked aome hot ass girls.

[–]Dboy2233-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

How then?

[–]themangu6[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How then? I dont fucking know truthfully. And it drives me insane. He is very charming, and he is confident as fuck and doesnt give a fuck.

Dont get me wrong ive seen him get turned down and embarrassed, but when hes drunk you cant control him. Hell go up to any girl he sees and flirt with her. Some hate it some love it.

[–]muricanwerewolf10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Question answered. He goes for it. He plays the numbers game others are afraid to play.

[–]erZoption-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. But he isn’t ugly, and that is what matters in the end. Below average or average face? You can definitely fuck around, but you have to put in more effort, much more. World ain’t fair.

[–]themangu6[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So now its all about the face? What about the times where it was all about height, or body?

[–]erZoption6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Aight man imma spit some facts for the retards in here

You need a below average face at MININIUM. Yes, it will be harder but you can make it work.

If you’re taller that’s good, under like 5’7 and you will probably struggle.

Good body is a must. That’s why they tell people to workout here. It only helps your score, if your face is average, don’t let your body be average.

The incels say that you need like a 8/10 face, bullshit imo. I know a guy that is average looking but pulls some hot ones all the time.

Also chase the money. Never pussy.

[–]themangu6[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok km 5’5 but i have a very handsome face. It is what it is i just keep working

[–]TheYoonFather2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know this guy but I’m going to guess it’s because he unapologetically does not give a fuck what people think of him. Does what he wants and does not give a second thought to what other people think about him. That’s a trait women find attractive.

[–]volvostupidshit-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I can feel that as well. They're slowly poisoning this sub with their incel shots. Next thing we know this sub's topics will only revolve around looks looks looks.

[–]Nolatmain-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's try not to become fanatics of any ideology. I think they both have some truth and some bullshit to them.

It's pathetic to not try to improve yourself just because you have an ugly face and a short frame. That's for sure. You will never generate the same attraction as chad, but you can definitely be more attractive than your current self. Also, the belief that being tall it's what matters the most is pure bullshit, I'm 6'' 2' and get my height mentioned/complimented quite frecuently, I DO get laid but most of the above HB6's look at me with disgust because of my below average face.

HOWEVER, what makes you think that just being socially desirable and lifting is enough? There are guys doing just that but also having an 8 face and a broad body frame. Denying that looks play a huge role is delusional. Most of the time she already decided if she's gonna fuck you before you can even say a word, thats why a looks-based dating app like Tinder was so succesful.

Would you date a fat HB2 with crooked teeth, somehow with no tits or ass, just because she's VERY fun to be around and VERY femenine? Right. They are not stupid either so don't fool yourself and be realistic with your expectations.

EDIT: I see the same argument all over the coments: "I see ugly guys get laid all the time".

The tricky part is that that ugly guy would have a harder time retaining a hot chick and being the one calling the shots in the relationship. Eventually the infatuation will be gone and the ugly guy she's dating will still be there. She WILL get resentful if she thinks she can do better. She will start to get bitchy until they break up or just cheat on him.

[–]uchihaitachi1237-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Still prefer the black pill to the blue pilled cucks though

[–]RealHedgeFund 1 points  (1 child)[recovered] | Copy Link

Why crap?

Blackpill is what helped me get laid not red pill.

Once I improved my looks it was a whole different ball game.

[–]redpilledfox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, the fundamentals of the RedPill is to improve yourself in all facets of life.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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