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What is actual loyalty and love?

August 6, 2022
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I think loyalty is about being there for that person (regardless if you've moved on or not) especially when it comes to life emergencies. I think a true test of loyalty is basically making her a primary beyond other plates. But can she do the same??

What baffles me is that most women, will end a relationship even if you dare to look at or even jokingly kiss another woman. For me, I wouldn't care if she's seeing other people so long as they engage in safe sex, and I think that's where the real trust lies. I have no problem with a plate seeing someone else. And again in my opinion, it serves as the best test of loyalty. But for the majority of guys, dare catch another woman's eye besides her own will make her walk away and hop on to the next guy who would probably do the same thing. Why is this?

Crazy enough, an ex I had didn't mind that she was almost flirting with other men. She claims it helps her feel accepted and beautiful. But whoa, I can't act similarly and flirt with or get flirted on by other women. But when I did, I was given an ultimatum.

Sure there are undoubtedly million types of personalities, but it appears to be generally understood that when we allow someone to flirt with us, we get an ultimatum rather than a slap on the wrist. How come this is the case?

I'll share a real life example I had with another ex, she was simply (before getting a bit entangled) supposed to be a plate.

At the end, we got to the point where she started openly giving me screens of txt exchanges from other guys who may be good dates for her.

Now this is after I broke up with her.

I wasn't overly bothered by these texts. But what I want to try to understand is how it's typically more acceptable that she can go bonkers if I did the same. I couldn't be bothered by the screen shots one bit, except for some parts where she'd talk shit about me.

I still wound up having sex with her every time she arranges a date and gets ready for it an hour in advance.

Now she appeared to have moved on to a new guy.

But what I want to understand is how she would act all highly about monogamy while she was the one keeping a bit of my scent while on dates. For the record, I no longer see her, but I'm confident that her current guy is merely a hook-up phase that might just end quickly. Sure, long-term relationships can develop from dating apps, but I they're uncommon. And it just makes me depressed to think that she stays naïve about it.

We're all human and most of us are all just probably always horny, she did say that I opened her up for wanting more and more.. She also didn't really have confidence in herself, but after I encouraged her to just start dating, lawyers to musicians hit her up, I believe she stayed a little bit with me (even while she was dating) because of some dick game. I'm simply just trying to decipher this, and not to mean it like a bragging sort of way...

Funny enough, she said she'll always love me, so I have a slight feeling she'll still come to me even if she's pre-occupied. Is this actual loyalty?

Last but not the least, how far can good sex go for most women? Will it be enough for them to not care that you're also juggling other plates?

I just can't wrap my head how she goes nuclear even at the mention of talking to another woman. Yet she was on a dating phase but still also having sex with me.

Is the ability of partners or friends to treat sex without making it too personal a sign of maturity? Are some women just not mature enough to think this? Any books where I can read up on this sort of stuff?

TL;DR - Double standards, why it's more accepted for them to get flirted on or see others while we get shot out to the moon if we do the same. And yet to most, she'd be fine with the idea of men hanging out with her but we can't do the same with other women. Even if I don't mind her fucking other guys (as long as they're safe and STD-free), the concept of me doing the same with women is beyond unacceptable in mainstream and in her mind.

Just looking for a TRP perspective on this...

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Title What is actual loyalty and love?
Author pearlvagina
Upvotes 6
Comments 8
Date August 6, 2022 2:36 AM UTC (7 months ago)
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[–]alexjamparo 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man I know you wanted an in-depth answer but I’ll give you the simple one. Women ain’t shit, so focus on yourself. You do just that long and hard enough, chicks will the the product of all that hard work.

[–]Nearby_Ad_5684 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I'd rather have loyalty than love 'Cause love really don't mean jack

See love is just a feeling You can love somebody and still stab them in they back

It don't take much to love You can love somebody just by being attached

See loyalty is a action You can love or hate me and still have my back”

-21 savage

[–]holyshocker 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What baffles me is that most women, will end a relationship even if you dare to look at or even jokingly kiss another woman

That's called dread, you gotta be a hvm to do this

For me, I wouldn't care if she's seeing other people

That's called cucking, and is a huge dlv.

But for the majority of guys, dare catch another woman's eye besides her own will make her walk away

Any girl I've been with got more turned on knowing other women wanted me.

Crazy enough, an ex I had didn't mind that she was almost flirting with other men. She claims it helps her feel accepted and beautiful. But whoa, I can't act similarly and flirt with or get flirted on by other women. But when I did, I was given an ultimatum.

You were a cuck and low value. She kept you in your place.

Now she appeared to have moved on to a new guy.

But what I want to understand is how she would act all highly about monogamy while she was the one keeping a bit of my scent while on dates. For the record, I no longer see her, but I'm confident that her current guy is merely a hook-up phase that might just end quickly. Sure, long-term relationships can develop from dating apps, but I they're uncommon. And it just makes me depressed to think that she stays naïve about it.

Watch what they do not what they say. And get your oneitis in check.

Double standards, why it's more accepted for them to get flirted on or see others while we get shot out to the moon if we do the same. And yet to most, she'd be fine with the idea of men hanging out with her but we can't do the same with other women.

That only pertains to lvm. If youre a hvm it's the opposite.

Even if I don't mind her fucking other guys (as long as they're safe and STD-free), the concept of me doing the same with women is beyond unacceptable in mainstream and in her mind.

That's because she's cucked you and owns you.

Just looking for a TRP perspective on this...

Overall it feels like i just read a 14 y.o girls journal.

[–]pearlvagina[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sorry I can't find any RP references regarding these dynamics.

I still have other plates that I see, she knows and gets the sense that I do and even asks not to tell her anything because it hurts her.

So I don't think covert is necessary. I do juggle plates but out of respect for her I rarely or never mention it to her. She did get half of my time, even going so far as to pay for the concert tickets I was supposed to go to with her. And covering my gas money, having me use her car at times too. I don't want to end up just using her, so is this still blue pilled or just losing frame? She's possibly trying to win back or convince.

And how is it still blue pilled if I see other women. I flat out told her I'm talking to other women. And I still get her time and lay whenever I request. She drives to my place instead of me driving to hers, even when she's dating and seeing someone?

I don't want to waste time and energy trying to get or win her or anyone back, she still ends up going to me and giving me attention. Is this blue pilled?

I am aware that there is a limit and that eventually the straw will break. I'm not a billionaire, for one, and Isn't this one of the tangible, static sides of the HVM?

I believe that for women who desire more attention, the gray area of allowing her to have other friends while still viewing me as her primary because I am unable to expand as much due to balancing other plates is one I am confused by and unsure how to handle. However, getting turned on by seeing her fucked or sharing her with another person, man or woman—is absolutely cuckery. But again I haven't seen what RP says about these sort of dynamics, especially if you still see other women, and she does know about it.

[–]holyshocker 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This girl you got oneitis so extreme for see's your cuckery and it negates any rp hvm staus you have instantaneously for her.

[–]pearlvagina[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I see the oneitis.

However, as an example, I'm actually seeing another woman for the weekend... She's a LTR low inv plate I've been talking to (on and off) and she knows the details. So I'm not sure if this is oneitis much?

Perhaps it's also a loss in frame. But I don't think I'm putting this dynamic in the same universe as HVM or LVM. It's simply having her at it, while still being able to live a single life. I don't think I care or quite get the LVM or HVM in this setting because I see other women and she knows I do.

I actually do have LTR or long, for life (in my experience) orbiters that I also talk from time to time. One of them is basically like an aunt to me. I can come to her home and relax. And she's become a life long family friend, messed around with her a decade ago, still friends and she still responds.

Isn't this one of the facets of RP? Sex as a mechanism as well??

So I think there's just a lack of, possibly, long term or life-set acquaintances in RP I have not read about. And that I'm confused at this point because this particular woman is causing me a bit of oneitis but at the same time, she could be one of my life long family friend orbiters but I don't know how to convert or deal with it.

Does my other life-long LTR (who I've known since my late teens) pry and ask me about my life? No, and I can share and open up to her or just go to her home and relax like a family friend. Does the other woman I'm plating who knows these details be the cause for my confusion? Not at all, she's another one I'm seeing just to get my mind off of things.

But do I care about them seeing other men? Not quite, so long as they're being safe about it. And I'm not religious so I assume and expect them to see other people, I can't control anyone.

Am I then a LVM if I'm not placing myself in either HVM or LVM mindset, and simply just getting busy and moving along? I can't fight for all women to be on my leg, it's what I can do best given my situation in this moment. But yeah, being intrigued about sharing her with someone while testing her proposed love or loyalty is absolute cuckery. I don't think I care if I'm just as LVM because I know for a fact that I have other resources... Isn't most RP perspective plates and sex mechanism, and not just a singular LTR...?? Thoughts?

[–]KerbySTD 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they are flirting with other people they don't respect you, simple as that. leave.

Actual loyalty and love from a woman comes when you hold frame, and are a congruent male. You say something and you mean it. You don't like something you say it.

We can only talk about loyalty in the sense of an LTR. A woman suggest getting into an LTR not the man. True loyalty and respect would be imo, she cutting off male orbiters in order to be with you, without you saying so. She would do it on her own in the course of the dating process. That happens around 6-7-8th week of dating, I personally prolong it to 3 months minimum until we are labeled. You continue to hold frame and covertly without effort display your value, a man displays his value with his actions and behaviours.

If she sees 20 woman "hamadahamadahamadiing" at you in the bar, club, street she will stay with you trust me, she will strip you naked and let you fuck her however you want without you asking.

If you do the opposite though, and flirt with 20 women overtly, you are done for my friend, she will lose respect for you.

It's best to chose the right woman from the start, enter with strong presence in the relationship and you stay strong. If you are true to yourself and progressing, she has genuine desire for you from the start, she will be loyal to you, long after your death.

[–]KerbySTD 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got it all wrong about the flirting thing. If a girl told you that, it's because she want an asset of yours not you. If you heard that you shouldn't be insecure blah, blah, blah also wrong. If you woman that you have entered in a consentual LTR with flirts with other people, you shouldn't care you are right, but you shouldn't stay, you should leave. You are powerless to do anything, she doesn't see you the way you wanted to be seen otherwise she wouldnt risk losing you over something as little as flirting

If your parents are married, does your mom go out and flirt with guys? What would your dad think of that, would he tolerate that?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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