Women’s liberation vs Feminism

AskingToFeminists · 2021-06-26T08:11:10+00:00

One shinning example would be Erin Pizzey, the woman who opened the first domestic violence victims shelters, back in the 70s. The suffragists, who were different from the suffragettes, and did much more for women's vote than the suffragettes.

Phantombiceps · 2021-06-26T09:58:12+00:00

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Phantombiceps · 2021-06-26T09:33:15+00:00

I have heard of women getting together in groups and protesting for access to feminine products in countries like India. I am not sure about the details.

I think we need this data because we also want to be able to see if it might be more effective to go as general as possible , as a basic MO. I.E all working people need access to medical supplies, you get bigger numbers if you involve everybody, no need to gender it unless otherwise obvious.

Oncefa2 · 2021-06-26T11:34:21+00:00

A lot of second wave feminism was like this. Not necessarily a majority, but a majority of the ones who accomplished anything meaningful were.

Warren Farrell has written a lot about this.

Christina Hoff Sommers wrote a book, Who Stole Feminism about this.

Karen DeCrow who ran NOW in the 1970s and helped legalize abortion falls in this camp:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/the-now-president-who-became-a-mens-rights-activist/372742/

The distinction you're probably looking for is liberal feminism vs radical feminism.

The dictionary definition of radical feminism is the belief that men oppress women through a patriarchy. Those feminists mostly just yell and scream about the patriarchy and never do anything meaningful in the real world.

Liberal feminists did a lot for women back in the day but now that women have equal rights (and then some), there isn't much of a need for a true equality movement for women. So what happened is most of the "good" feminists disbanded during the 1980s and what we were left with was the bad form of feminism that we see today.

xerdopwerko · 2021-06-26T17:16:29+00:00

My ex is a prominent researcher on the plight of "the disappeared" and their families - the people who vanished without a trace, generally killed by organised crime or by right-wing governments in Latin America - An issue that greatly increased in Mexico in 2007 with the "war on drugs".

Most of the activists here are mothers or widows, but there are also priests.

A majority of victims are male, but not a huge margin of difference.

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-06-26T08:09:20+00:00

Not exactly, but a female teacher of mine once asked the catcalling question. She said that in a way, it's still a compliment, right?

Well, I said that the difference between a compliment and overstepping boundaries could be defined as follows:

Compliment: Your hair is beautiful and I think you're drop-dead gorgeous. Wanna go for a drink sometime?

Objectification: Haha nice booba lemme fuck you!

Both point out positive visual/physical aspects of (in this example:) a woman, however one of them oversteps a fairly common personal boundary. A stranger has no business inquiring to you about your sexual characteristics. A good chunk of people are not out in the world to constantly be horny and ask anybody for hookups. Go to a club.

I think a bit of progress was made that day, because as a man, I've never been catcalled (or my male friends) but even when I was 16, I had almost every girl report several instances of such behaviour towards them. Quite frightening.

sweetbunnyblood · 2021-06-26T21:08:57+00:00

I like using "MRA/WRA" to define the fact that I'm very concious of both groups issues

duhhhh · 2021-06-27T09:05:43+00:00

I have a lot of respect for Malala Yousafzai's efforts to get girls access to education in Pakistan.

https://malala.org/malalas-story

She refused to call herself a feminist for years, but finally gave in.

sakura_drop · 2021-06-27T16:38:13+00:00

u/Phantombiceps this maybe isn't quite what you're looking for in the sense of a group or organisation, but there's an interesting and painfully little known book from 1946, Women as a Force in History by Mary Ritter Beard - an American historian, author, women's suffrage activist, and women's history archivist (note the lack of the "F" word in how she's described) - which "challenges the traditional feminists' view and argues that women had always been active agents in history alongside men... [and] contends that focusing on women as victims instead of their impact in the world was distorted and inaccurate." That's the entire book in the link, by the way.

A notable quote from the text:

"It seems perfectly plain that the dogma of woman’s complete historic subjection to man must be rated as one of the most fantastic myths ever created by the human mind."

cakeandcoke · 2021-06-26T12:59:58+00:00

Access to birth control and abortion perhaps

goronslime · 2021-06-26T08:05:40+00:00

Don’t think it exists in the west

Title	Women’s liberation vs Feminism
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Date	June 26, 2021 8:00 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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