Feminism stops when...

Muh-So-Gin-Knee · 2019-08-08T15:33:28+00:00

Some grade A truth there.

petetopkevinbottums · 2019-08-09T04:48:48+00:00

Feminism stops when it’s time to register to vote (draft)

katsnackshackysacks · 2019-08-09T00:15:24+00:00

PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THING BEFORE YOU REMOVE or RESPOND: Full disclosure, I am not anti-feminist but I came here to this page to understand more about the movement and I think a lot of these points are totally valid. PLEASE ASK ME QUESTIONS and I will always take a very mindful, understanding approach. I just think there is more common ground here than either side would have you believe.

ANYWAYS. *rant*I am a woman and I change the water cooler at work all the time, and I am not a particularly strong woman at 5'7'' and 125 lbs. of mostly bones and... some body fat. At first a lot of people were surprised (I also work with mostly men) but it's pretty funny how much that (and other similar things) changed the dynamic between me and some of my coworkers. We also have a water cooler at home and I am the one who picks it up and carries it to my car and into my home because my work shifts are earlier than my husbands, so it's just more efficient that way. I also can change a tire, shovel my own snow, and mow a lawn. I know how to use jumper cables, however I admittedly do *not* know how to fix any real car troubles...

...But then if we want women to do these things, I hope you are teaching your daughters and not just your sons how to do them. When I was a teenager, I was often stuck watching littles when my brothers got to learn cool useful stuff.

I think what is critical to think here is that if you keep telling women that it is a norm to rely on men for these things, then they will keep doing it. And why wouldn't they? We all have a norm that is easiest to fall under, even if it's totally backwards and unfair to everyone. You sometimes have to ask yourself if criticizing feminism is more important than actually creating a change and I think this is one of those instances.

When you look past all the stupid, base, overly-generalizing, misandrist, non-intellectual feminism (which is what sadly happens to be popular because it feeds on peoples many strong emotions and vulnerabilities) and get at the core, you might see a couple different things.

So the reason I am posting this on this page is because it kind of gives the pro-feminist sentiment that women are not given equal opportunity, expectations and education growing up, a free pass. We might not be objectively as strong as men on average, but we are sure as hell capable of changing a tire and a water cooler.

princesspuppy12 · 2019-08-09T00:34:20+00:00

I think it depends on the woman though and how they were raised. I know that I'm not as strong as men or even women but that doesn't mean that I am a little damsel in distress and I hate to be treated that way but I was raised to act that way and eventually learned how to do it myself. I'm young so I'm still learning about many things too.

NotSoCasualAsshole · 2019-08-09T05:58:26+00:00

feminism stops when they want pickles for dinner

ProveSolution · 2019-08-09T08:41:31+00:00

what subreddit did you get this from?

User-31f64a4e · 2019-08-10T03:40:42+00:00

Feminism stops when it's about responsibility, not privilege.

I-am-just-wondering · 2019-08-12T23:07:02+00:00

Hi, I may be wrong, but isn’t this post completely miss-portraying what feminism is about? Feminism is a form of gender equality and I have never viewed it as a fight for people to stop helping each other. I am pro gender equality and so therefore by definition I am technically a feminist (although I do not agree with radical feminists at all) but I have never interpreted someone lending a hand as an attack on my ability to do something. And when I offer to help or have an umbrella etc. I am merely intending to help someone, not trying to say that they are incapable. Being polite is not being anti women, and I think legitimate feminists know this. Therefore, feminism does not “end” when a woman needs help moving a piece of furniture or a man needs to borrow an umbrella. Politeness and the willing to aid others is admirable and in no way a form of sexism.

I-am-just-wondering · 2020-01-09T23:25:50+00:00

Hello, I just saw this. True feminism is not discrimination against men and real feminist leaders do not hate men; those that do are not true feminists. While I understand how the demonizing of feminism is spread through some news sources (and therefore understandably spreads to many people) I would encourage you to try to choose your views based on what feminism truly is: it is an idea meant to give both genders equal rights. The reason however it is called feminism even by people who are egalitarians, is because the movement is historically rooted in fighting for women’s rights specifically and was born in a time in which women truly were systematically oppressed (institutionalized sexism). While it can be argued that some of this sexism actually benefited women (for example women could not be drafted) the overall gender discrimination was directed towards females. I do not know much about discrimination towards males in the time of women’s suffrage, but I do know that it is fairly undeniable that feminism was caused by need, which is to say that people became feminists out of the need to fight against one of the major injustices of their time. Obviously the exact forms of discrimination have changed over time. Today, there are very clear signs of sexism towards males, and while males do not experience as much gender discrimination as females or at least not as much measurable dangerous discrimination, it is still a pressing issue. Feminism is about achieving rights that should go both ways. However, often the people opposing feminism and saying that feminists hate men, are also the ones perpetuating male stereotypes and male discrimination. Male rape victims are constantly discriminated against and there are also many stigmas surrounding male nurses. There are also female stereotypes that hurt men as well such as the normalisation of female teachers (there is a shortage of male teachers in the US possibly because stereotypes are projected onto male children which limits their career options). Discrimination towards men is a real issue, but the men’s rights movement is inherently anti-feminist and that is not productive. I would hope to rebrand feminism as egalitarian but I know that due to the terms history and significance it is unlikely. Either way, true feminism (egalitarianism with a historical name) is meant to achieve rights for all genders and sexes. We need to leave our party alignments and media biases behind and support the quest for equal rights. Hope this clarifies some things! (:

InformalCriticism · 2019-08-08T14:05:51+00:00

Wow, where was that getting upvoted?

Title	Feminism stops when...
Author	Dogedoomofinternet
Upvotes	245
Comments	48
Date	August 8, 2019 1:51 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
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