I think the big one that most new guys get hung (and drawn and quartered) on, is the seemingly contradictory aspect of certain bedrock principles of MRP.

It's said that MRP is a 'sexual strategy' and while it's not put forth as solely that, that absolutely features in the preponderance of discussion, and I'd say upwards of 90% of how/why new guys find their way, looking for help and answers to that specific question. How Can I Get My Wife To Fuck Me More? Without begging, without (undue) gaps in quantity or quality, and with (if they make it that far) more willingness, more sluttiness, more all the good stuff.

The short answer to that, as we all know, is Improve Thyself. All day, every day, in every way. Got it. Check.

But - as we also know, it takes a fucking looooooong time to get it all together; indeed, it never really ends if you're doing it right. Not just physically, but shit-test-knock-backs, full grasp and practice of both Game and Frame, the works. It is a very long road.

That's cool. In fact, that's fun.

But with regard to how and when along the journey that the sexual aspect comes into the equation -- what do you do when the increased quantity and quality lag behind the gains elsewhere?

No amount of kino, no amount of fun happy leader guy, no amount of proof elsewhere that things are getting much better (ie. Me) -- no amount of these things are translating into increased fucking.

So, the teaching goes - you can't expect it, even if you do everything right, so get the fuck over it. Take her down from that pedestal. Remain fully Independent of Outcome. Do not, I repeat, do not let that Butt appear Hurt.

Got a hard no tonight? Move on, who cares. Can't get any juices flowing no matter how much caressing and/or rubbing and/or slapping or anything else you've done from early in the day until late at night? Well, the problem is...

Let me beat you all to the punch:

"She's still not attracted to you;" "You still haven't lifted enough;" "You're still not at a place where she wants to fuck you."

Now, let me give you the benefit of the doubt, and say it's true. It shits me at work when newbies think they know more than me who's done it for a long time. So, OK, I'll accept it: she's still not attracted to me or some aspect of me that matters.

So If that's the case, while you're on the journey -- what do you do then about sex? About initiation? How often do you try it on?

Do you keep at it? If so -- and remember, she's not attracted to me -- then it just feels as if it ingrains her behaviour even more ("I didn't want him on me last night, here he is again, so I'm doubly against the idea -- tomorrow night, it will be triple!"). Seems very counter productive.

And yet, the advice is to Always Initiate and do all the pre-emptive ground work through the day that has to be done, just seems to shut her down further. "I'm so tired -- I just want to sleep -- CAN'T I BE TIRED AND GO TO SLEEP?" She starts talking about how tired she is, from the minute she fucking wakes up. So even down this path, the knock-backs keep coming.

So, short question to the long pre-amble: what do you do about sex while you're building? Keep at it? Or lay off it until you're there? And when are you "there" if prevailing advice is that "you're never there."

Because both paths look as if they're leading me back to where I started.