Why is Jordan Peterson looked down by TRPs?

redvelvet_oreo · 2019-04-03T22:54:50+00:00

People who are outspokenly against him in TRP focus on about 10 percent of what he says that they disagree with (which they should disagree with imo) instead of the other 90 percent that's more or less in line with what TRP suggests.

These are people who tend to view things as more black and white instead of having any sense of nuance whatsoever. They think you have to take 100 percent of what someone says or completely reject everything they have to say outright.

FederalAnxiety · 2019-04-03T21:56:28+00:00

Because he advocates for traditional marriage but won't acknowledge that A. it's suicide for men and B. modern women aren't capable of pair bonding. He won't admit that the societal standards that upheld marriage are no longer there.

Shieldless_One · 2019-04-03T23:18:13+00:00

I think you’re wrong in that most people here look down on him. I see a lot of people either quoting him or referencing him here and on trp. Some people just have a hard time grasping the views of someone who is not totally “into” the trp.

NikeSigma23 · 2019-04-04T02:25:19+00:00

Jordan Peterson is a visionary. He is not looked down upon by the majority of RPers. He helps build a framework for getting your shit together. For myself, I attribute a lot of my growth to his lectures. He's a good man and the world needs more people like him.

Whisper · 2019-04-04T06:53:00+00:00

Tradcons do not give a shit about your welfare, your quality of life, or your very existence. They are just fighting with feminists over who gets to hold your leash.

HenricusKunrath · 2019-04-04T07:23:37+00:00

One aspect of what might be occuring:

Jordan Peterson is deeply influenced by the Russian philosopher and novelist Fyodor Dostoyevsky.

One of the biggest ideas Dostoyevsky tried to convey his whole life is the idea that we can instill goodness in others and spead benificence throughout the world.

It all starts with yourself. Become a good man. Then spread this goodness to other men and women. They will spead the kindness you showed them to others and the world will improve.

It is a truly beautiful idea, and admittedly I have not done it justice summarizing it here. For the original explaination of these ideas read The Idiot, particularly the part containing Ippolit's "Necessary Explaination". Also The Brothers Karamazov contains perhaps the best elements of this idea.

Anyway, on TRP we take a very negitive view of human nature. Men here have seen the worst of women, and some have seen the worst of men.

All this talk of instilling goodness and starting with yourself seems stupid, academic, and idealistic when compared with the deeply harsh reality described by RP philosophy.

Keep in mind, this is only one contributing factor.

dudeamax · 2019-04-04T04:39:45+00:00

I’m married, met my wife when she was 16 I was 20. Took her virginity and have been together now for going on 13 years we have a 9 year old daughter. We have been through everything imaginable.... that’s how I landed here reading Rollo’s books looking for answers. Got those answers turned things around but it’s still knowing she could go feral at any point in time.

I’m going to two of my cousins weddings this summer and it’s like looking at pigs heading to the slaughter house. Good luck, I wouldn’t recommend marriage for any guy at all.

Jordan Peterson seems like a good guy and is helping pull guys heads out but is pretty delusional and blue pill when it comes to the realities of women. I did enjoy his book and he has done a lot to spread awareness of what feminism has done but he is missing a pretty important aspect that’s destroying men.

BPasFuck · 2019-04-04T05:09:54+00:00

This question gets asked a lot. I'm going to repost my last comment on the subject, which, in aggregate with some of the replies here should give you some idea.

*Jordan Peterson is walking a careful line.

A line that runs between orthodoxy, and heresy.

Honestly, coming from out of the unbelievably cucked wastes of Canadian higher education, I think it's amazing how close he manages to come to meeting a lot of Redpill expectations.

It would not surprise me if he is even closer than he publicly seems, but is choosing to moderate himself to some degree, just to avoid easy dismissal.

I think many of us forget sometimes, just how 'out there' or 'dangerous' what is being preached here truly seems.

For a refresher, just go and visit The Blue Pill, or Two X or some other mainpage sub and say something like, 'I don't think women are wonderful!' and see what happens.

Tempting as it is to cut him some slack, because of this, one also must realize how frustrating it must be to see a bunch of newbies show up here spouting Peterson's thoughts as though their own, as if he is a redpill authority.

He is not. He's his own thing. With some worthy ideas. And some not so in touch ones.*

Adding to this-- you have to realize, Peterson can only get so real. If he got any realer, he'd never be heard. As it is, he makes a nice stepping stone for getting people to open their stupid eyes.

surethingjanet · 2019-04-04T03:20:34+00:00

He tells men to "clean their room". Have you seen his daughter? Clearly he is incapable of cleaning his own room. This makes him a massive hypocrite.

Plus he expects you to pay massive amounts of money to listen to him blather on about nothing.

leftajar · 2019-04-04T07:25:54+00:00

Surface level JBP:

Promotes individual responsibility
Focus on what you can control
Generally cogent pushback against SJWism

Scratch the surface...

Admitted that he won't acknowledge group differences because it would damage his career
Cucked super-hard on the Kavanaugh issue
Is extremely money-driven

On the deepest level...

Promotes the Classic Liberal idea of Individualism, the philosophy which essentially cucked the West and sent us down a self-destructive path.
Is actually a Leftist, who warns other Leftists to tone down the rhetoric, lest they wake up the Right.

So, he does a lot of good for a lot of people, but ultimately, if you care about the survival of the West, he's a false prophet.

TheBadGoy · 2019-04-04T00:25:37+00:00

He takes basement dwellers and soyboys in hopes of turning them into fully functioning betas willing to marry

FlyingSexistPig · 2019-04-04T01:56:35+00:00

I would argue that there's no consensus.

There's a lot of his stuff that I don't agree with, but a lot of his stuff is spot on.

TheStumblingWolf · 2019-04-04T06:30:46+00:00

I don't agree with everything he says, but I think the man is a genius none the less.

DANYboy52 · 2019-04-04T11:02:48+00:00

If he wasn't so famous people wouldn't talk as much shit. Intellectuals, myself included, hate feeling inferior.

CainPrice · 2019-04-04T11:05:37+00:00

Tradcon-ism, including Peterson's variety, is just one more version of the just world fallacy.

If you work hard and become the best you that you can be, handle your shit, and dutifully do your part in the world, your woman may still screw you over. She still doesn't love you the way you love her and cares only about her comfort. Your boss still doesn't care about you, only the money you make for him. Your friends still aren't really friends. And your kids still grow up thinking you're an idiot and misbehaving.

Doing your part for society doesn't fix society. It doesn't even result in a decent life for you. Tradcons don't tell you to do what works for you and will lead to success. They tell you to do what you're supposed to do, then take pride in the fact that you did your part.

You can make your bed every morning and wear manly suits, vote republican, and hold a respectable job. But when someone who doesn't do any of that walks out the door an meets sex partners every weekend while you wonder why nobody notices your virtue, it's because that guy is actually masculine. You're just conservative.

The fact that guys are so thirsty for mentors and gurus to tell them how to be a man is a sign of how lost today's men are.

humzy · 2019-04-04T12:40:58+00:00

psychology aside, jordan peterson is only good for the incels and guys at the bottom of the barrel

[deleted] · 2019-04-04T13:13:22+00:00

Anybody who's looking down on JP either is isn't really listening or is to pathetic to 'clean thier room'.

BurnoutRS · 2019-04-04T13:31:06+00:00

Listen to JBP insofar as he tells you to clean your room, your anxiety and depression is largely a product of you assessing yourself as unfit for the environment you reside in, etc.

Where you might want to stop listening is when he begins speaking about world solutions as if we still live in the 50s.

The hate for JBP is in part a product of some older members not wanting younger members to do what younger members do. Which is to glom, immediately, onto a figure like JBP and begin worshipping his word as gospel.

Imagine there were two math teachers. Both are equally qualified and will make you into a math whiz. The only difference is that by the end of Teacher Jim's lessons, he drills a little hole in your skull that makes it so you can only ever solve problems involving numbers lesser than 3 digits.

Clean your room, lift, become a monster, get your life in order and then.... Serve it up nice on a big platter to an immendable millenial woman

i_love_chicks · 2019-04-04T15:43:34+00:00

Jordan Peterson is a charlatan who is manipulating young men for his own gain. He spews a bunch of bullshit and puts his hand on his head pretending to be in deep thought. Look up a guy named Vox Day on youtube. He goes in great detail about who JBP really is.

HansCapon · 2019-04-04T17:18:23+00:00

Peterson speaks a lot of truths and things that need to be said. What puts him at odds with TRP sometimes is his devotion to monogamy and the traditional family structure. I think we can all agree that having a traditional monogamous structure is superior to the current hypergamous one, but Peterson is either optimistic or ignorant to the state of the modern woman. However, someone should still be preaching what should be, even if we may never get to that state again.

Essentially TRP is “riding the tiger” and playing along/gaming the current system, while Peterson is actively resisting and clinging on to the old system.

Psychological_Radish · 2019-04-04T17:18:42+00:00

Once you get past his charisma and intellectual veneer, Peterson doesn't really have much of substance to say. His book - which I've read - revolves around the cult of the individual...which we know is completely disconnected from the scientific reality that people are tribal, social animals. Peterson's prescription for young men basically comes down to "building a better Beta" as Rollo likes to say, which is the complete antithesis of the Red Pill.

In his personal life, Peterson married his childhood ONEitis from a shitty town just as his star was rising. Look up pictures of them together - she never looks happy. His daughter is also an Instagram whore and an unwed single mommy in her early 20s. It goes without saying that Peterson might appear Alpha in the media, but is clearly a huge Beta at home. That's the kind of life that following the Peterson way ultimately leads to.

faustian_talos · 2019-04-10T05:00:00+00:00

Because they do not understand that younger people need a mentor in their lives.

Times are not like before, when oldschool TRP veterans grew up and they do not understand this.

Two more things:

JBP is a clinical psychologist and understands that people are different from each other. Something TRP does not understand.
TRP is about accepting and enjoying the decline. Pathetic and nihilist. JBP is opposite.

This is what I grasped, and I only visit this sub few times a month.

[deleted] · 2019-04-03T21:36:04+00:00

Because he's a tradcon.

[deleted] · 2019-04-04T01:36:22+00:00

Personally I don't think he really says anything too substantial in his work.

coloredzebra · 2019-04-03T23:56:10+00:00

When he talks purely about psychology he's not too bad. Anything other than that is complete verbal diarrhea, and pushing an agenda, which caters to a certain audience.

kemchik · 2019-04-04T05:23:58+00:00

Bacause when's the last time Coca Cola have looked up to Pepsi?

riggedved · 2019-04-04T05:48:56+00:00

For me personally, I dont think Jordan Peterson's ideology is original. He's milking knowledge of the Vedas and the Bhadwadgita.

deltron80 · 2019-04-04T04:17:29+00:00

Jordan Peterson is a globohomo gatekeeper - don't believe his lies

Title	Why is Jordan Peterson looked down by TRPs?
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