I’m starting to think this club shit is a waste of time.

Red_Pill_Brotherhood · 2019-11-16T06:14:31+00:00

Club scene obviously isn't for you. Thats okay- Im not a big clubber either. I'll go from time to time but its not really my thing. I like an environment where I can have some convo and where the chicks attention span is longer. Daygame, approaching in natural situations during my day, bars that arent TOO crazy, etc.

UniversalFapture · 2019-11-16T06:30:37+00:00

For the most part it is a waste of time. Honeypot designed to extract the maximum amount of money from thirsty betas.

fratercicero · 2019-11-16T09:07:38+00:00

I had this exact epiphany about a year ago. What I did (which I advise) is stop going out. Maybe I’ll go out once a month, but instead of partying 2 days a week I stay in and go to bed at a normal time. This in return cemented a consistent sleep schedule which improved my mood, saved me time (a man’s most valuable asset), allowed me to lift more/get greater gains (from more lifting time/more recovery from sleep), and saved me a shit ton of money (literally thousands of dollars). Since I still want to get laid all I did was start cold approaching girls during the day. I know you said it’s a lot of effort approaching during the day but trust me, approach one girl a day five days a week will get you results (I’ve banged 7 girls in the last 12 months doing this). If you have any other questions let me know bro, there’s no reason a guy has to spend thousands of dollars as well as use his valuable time for the chance of maybe getting laid.

LexFrota · 2019-11-16T08:42:14+00:00

What do you like to do?

In clubs you'll find girls who like clubs. Who like attention from drunk guys and getting hammered at 2 am.

Find the stuff you like and you'll find girls and people who like the same there. If you like getting up at 6 am to go for a run, you'll find chicks who like to do the same, and they probably don't go to clubs until 5 am.

RileysRevenge · 2019-11-16T12:51:50+00:00

The thing with clubs is, your SMV must be so high that women are eye-fucking you before you even talk to them. And, they have to make it pretty blatantly obvious they want to talk to you. Otherwise, you’re right- they’ll say they just want to dance and be with their girls.

The stakes are high at clubs. It’s concentrated hypergamy on hard-mode.

Honestly, your best bet to making club-game work is:

make your SMV undeniable.
ignore the girls and have fun with your dudes or group of people
pay no attention to the females but be aware of who’s looking your way. Once your sure they’re trying to get your attention, then you talk to them.

This is really the only way unfortunately. OR shoot below your usual standard and use the shotgun method: talk to as many as possible and be prepared for lots of rejection. Fortunately, girls (and guys) are used to being approached at nightclubs, so rest assured you won’t come across as weird. Just have fun and be confident. Exude outcome independence.

Source: work in nightclubs

2stoned0jaguar9tre · 2019-11-16T13:23:10+00:00

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JoeBuckYourslf · 2019-11-16T10:48:45+00:00

I stopped going to bars/clubs in my early 20s. It was then where I’d go 3 nights a week. Now I maybe go 2-3 times a year. Maybe.

What a fucking waste of time.

Serious question.. why the fuck would you knowingly go knowing that you dislike the club in general?

smgtn · 2019-11-16T09:49:32+00:00

I'm in a very similar position - I fucking hate everything about clubs and bars, but I don't have many options. My day approaching conversion rate is even worse. Those chicks are always running somewhere and if you get in their way they give you this "DIE NOW!" look which under different circumstances they probably wouldn't. It's a fucking hectic world we live in. At least in clubs and bars they're not running anywhere and are quite a bit more receptive.

I see some people giving advice here from a rather biased perspective, because their lifestyles/jobs allow them more socializing, but if you have to sit on your ass in an office all day long and don't have time after work, because you'd rather have a good night's sleep and a workout - your options are pretty limited.

I was thinking about maybe trying some large mall with a chance to isolate some thot while she's distracted counting her Victoria's Secret loot. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

monsieurhire2 · 2019-11-16T21:52:56+00:00

Don't go. It's not for you. You are enriching people who make a living degrading other people under the guise of providing a venue for socializing. Find a better scene. Even better, put yourself in the position to make the scene.

masterpiece00 · 2019-11-16T09:26:22+00:00

Its filled music i dislike, weed, and general obnoxious bs

Why the hell would you go when you already know this and feel this way?

2stoned0jaguar9tre · 2019-11-16T12:56:37+00:00

It depends on your looks. You better be in the top 10-15% physically. Grooming gots to be on point and so does your clothes. Gotta have miney for drinks. I hated clubs until i started to get physically better looking, and started to go to the right clubs. Ones with young chicks instead of those ratchet look at me im dressed up tonight and post wall places.

Cluvs are also a gauge for me. If i do shitty in terms of pulling girls or didnt pull that girl i was feeling that night, i can take that thought out at the gym for weeks. Especially if i was close and fucked up somehow.

But i like to dance so, if ur not into dancing then theres one less reason to be at the club.

2019-11-16T07:47:46+00:00

How long have you done it?

bionix90 · 2019-11-16T13:17:29+00:00

I go there solely for the music anyways. I don't care about drunken wannabe chads and crazy sluts.

2 days ago on a dubstep/trap event a girl came up to my face, pulled down my skull mask and looked at me for a few seconds before making out with me. I admit I was caught offguard.

She wanted to know who I am - I didn't answer. Anyways I disappeared in the next moshpit. Because I cba about sluts when my music is playing.

Clubs are pretty bad for pulling imo. I hate the environment so much. I stand no chance against roided aggressive neanderthal chads. It's basically their playing ground.

Most of my success is from having a conversation & talking to girls, teasing them etc.

mariusabazios · 2019-11-16T14:02:32+00:00

Clubs stop being that cool once you age. I never thought I would say this but most of them are really shit.

I used to go out alot, anywhere from 4 times a week to everyday. Now I carefully select specific events and I hit one party a month, tops. It's jus not worth my time anymore. I prefer to invest time in other areas of my life instead of pretending I have fun doing the same shit every night.

RaidenDark · 2019-11-16T15:37:09+00:00

I only go to the club for artists I like. I don't recommend ever going for any other reason(maybe with the exception of an artist your homeboy is into, to keep him company). There's going to be a serious difference in your game when you're there because you want to be VS being there specifically to pickup.

"What brings you here tonight"

"...uhhhh, stuff and things"

Nope.

"What brings you here tonight?"

"I fucking love Pendulum"

Alright, let's hang out

Approaching in the club is easy. If you're having trouble, you're letting yourself get too deep into your own head.

SalporinRP · 2019-11-16T15:39:30+00:00

I agree. Clubs are not only loud and expensive but they're also the most materialistic way to game women. From my experience all that matters in clubs is looks and status but it's to an even more extreme degree than in real life.

All the 8s and up aren't even giving you the time of day unless you have your own table plus bottle service which is hundreds of dollars.

I cut back a lot on going out (once a month at this point), but when I do go out I much prefer more laid back bars with a dance floor.

On another note bars/clubs are good if all you're into is fucking dumb bar sluts but if you want to try to game women with some modicum of substance you need to look in different areas.

InformalCriticism · 2019-11-16T16:16:48+00:00

All of my encounters that were worth anything to me were cold approaches in loosely appropriate social/professional situations (not to be confused with shitting where you eat), and social acquaintances.

You don't need to pay for a chance to introduce yourself. Just be in a community where introducing yourself is to be expected.

seducter · 2019-11-16T19:00:12+00:00

Day game is 100% easier and the girls dont have their guards up as much. Just go up to a chick and tell her you saw her and think she's cute. Introduce yourself, then say "I gotta get goin, but let's grab coffee this week". Give her your phone with the contact entry screen and let her fill it out. Too easy.

manofnoego · 2019-11-16T12:56:51+00:00

You don't have to force yourself. If you don't enjoy it, don't go. That way, when you actually feel like going, you can go and have a swell of a time, but the only way that can happen is if you let the fun come to you naturally.

How it works is very simple: Girls (and most people really) are naturally attracted to guys who are genuinely having fun, and if you cannot genuinely have fun, there is no point anyway. All this stuff about trying to game girls is actually making your game weaker.

So congratulations on coming to this realization yourself; and from here on marks the point where you'll see more and more clearly as time goes on, that pulling girls will become natural and effortless to you, as if it's second nature—because really, it is. And the best thing about this is, you don't have to do anything different that you would have done in the first place, just being you.

scorpionkinggg · 2019-11-16T13:03:31+00:00

The most ONS’s I’ve gotten from clubs have been unintentional. It’s really numbers/luck game.

And that’s on top of having decent SMV.

If you are not already getting IOI’s at clubs then forget about it.

downvotesanimals · 2019-11-16T15:17:13+00:00

I agree, the club scene is shit. Try elsewhere. The important thing is to do what works.

porkmissiles · 2019-11-16T16:39:01+00:00

I totally agree. If you want to collect trash go hang out at the dump.

That being said some of the less mainstream clubs in the bigger cities may have some interesting people inside. Bars with good jazz bands playing or actual non mainstream music are probably going to attract people for the music and weed out the girls who come dressed like hookers collecting in-person likes.

For me I find the type of music playing is pretty indicative of the calibre of people inside. Top40 low effort shit music? Likely brainless hoes with no interests.

ghosts_of_me · 2019-11-16T17:17:27+00:00

go to clubs for the music not the girls. If you dont like the music dont be there.

GrooveDive · 2019-11-16T19:38:20+00:00

I recently started working at a club. My job pretty much consists of work for the first couple hours then partying the rest of the night with free drinks, so I've been getting a lot more accustomed to clubbing pretty quick. I find it's only soul crushing if you go with any expectations other than having a blast. When it comes to girls there, I rarely get results other than a couple numbers and some dances, so if you're the type of person who doesn't enjoy the loud music and find it hard to have fun with strangers, then the club isn't for you. You have to be top tier attractiveness to get consistent pulls clubbing, I just go for fun and the odd success will make your night. I don't think blowing off steam is a waste of time (especially since I'm paid to be there), but if you're only going to get girls than sure you can call it that.

Regam45 · 2019-11-16T08:22:40+00:00

I know what you are talking about. For a cupple of months in the beginnig of this year I've gone out clibbing regularly also mostly alone. I found it a hard enviorment, guards are up here (Switzerland) as well. The only reaspn i think you should go is if you genuinely enjoy the music and like to dance. For me it is Latin music, where i learned to dance approach a bit by observing the more experienced guys. It can be en interessting place to observe RP behaviour.
But I'll be honest and say it hasent gone further than some grinding and a Kiss fore me.

Bit

Zero-Milk · 2019-11-16T13:01:05+00:00

It is a waste of time. "The club" is a place where you can expect everyone you meet to be 100% fake, and personally, I can think of a million better ways to spend my time, many of which include putting myself into situations which don't require that I craft some imaginary version of myself to appear cooler than I am.

Go out to the club when you're already in good company, and go without the expectation that you'll be bringing home a 20-something early burnout, and you'll likely find you have a better experience. As for picking up women, raise your standards and put yourself into more environments that actually allow you to be yourself and engage with people the way you're naturally inclined, and I promise you'll have a much easier time of it.

Jsieijejeieokkd · 2019-11-16T13:43:53+00:00

I’m a club it’s close to impossible to have a conversation, girls are out in packs so their anti slut defense is on high. If you vibe with a girl and then isolate you can make it work, but never buy them a drink.

Try kareoke bars and bars where up and coming adults hang out.

Maybe try a club that is not your scene. If you are white go to a black club. If you are a preppy guy go to a redneck bar. The key is to be different. Still same rule isolate or your chances are slim.

Changing venues works well too.

Try church, it may seem counter intuitive but it’s a good social venue.

XXXMersenne · 2019-11-16T15:16:05+00:00

you can leave it behind if u want, but u can also get really really good; sober and get the bulk of the understanding out of the way quickly.

Check this out and see if it reboots you on the right track

2019-11-16T15:38:56+00:00

I despise clubs. I haven't been to a club in over 5 years, I will turn down all invitations to a club even if it means cutting my night short, and yet my dating/sex life is better than ever.

IXseed · 2019-11-16T16:03:49+00:00

I'd look for other places. I love bars/clubs but I actually like being there in general.

If you're trying to game at a place where you're not 100% comfortable you're playing an away game where more things are against you. Better to play on your home court if you have the choice to.

PolesWithGoals · 2019-11-16T18:46:44+00:00

If it’s not your thing, don’t force yourself into it

2019-11-16T19:13:13+00:00

Don't do things you don't like doing brah. Life is too short for that. That goes for everything, not just clubbing.

2019-11-16T19:33:27+00:00

I hate club environments too but there’s no denying how easy it is to get laid there if you are high value and pretend you’re having fun.

ias18 · 2019-11-16T20:40:40+00:00

I have gone to clubs only multiple times since I was introduced to red pill, and honestly I totally agree with your point. It is very hard to game in the club scene; you can barely talk to anyone, girls prefer to dance and remain with their friends, and you have to have God-level SMV to isolate a girl and dance with her. Given such circumstance, I prefer day game over night game and just go to clubs to enjoy my time with my friends; instead of expecting to pull girls and getting laid.

spider_1337 · 2019-11-16T20:44:52+00:00

I agree with the sentiment however i love the club scene. I live for the nights i get to get fucked up and drunkenly make out with some broad, who knows maybe I'm just too young i suppose. Imo its always best to learn to adjust in uncomfortable situations.

str8_rippin123 · 2019-11-16T21:04:28+00:00

Sometimes it's just fun to go out and get absolutely destroyed with your friends

Valuevow · 2019-11-16T23:50:05+00:00

It depends. I'm a relatively good dancer. Especially Latin dances, I can get a girl to grind up to me no problem, and get her really horny and ready as far as that she pulls me in to make out and let's me touch her everywhere. Pull her over to a chair and let this young 20smth give me a lapdance. It's pretty awesome and easy to do when you know how to dance well. However, it's just an in-the-moment emotional reaction and it could be that you take down her number and next day she's already forgotten about you. It doesn't easily translate into sex. I've always found that time and logistics fuck me over. But it's fun while it lasts If you can't/don't enjoy dancing or the music.. don't go dude or. you gonna be that creepy dude that passive aggressively stands in a corner watching a guy make out and hoping for some action himself with a girl 😑

freethemans · 2019-11-17T03:15:50+00:00

As others have stated clubs just aren't for everyone. I personally am a fan of rap music so I like going to clubs that play hip-hop, but if I wasn't a fan I probably wouldn't go (music is very big for me). You have to go w/ a group cuz other girls always go with a group of their friends or their bf. You're not gonna have much success trying to chat up girls who are occupied w/ their friends when you're alone (not saying it can't happen, it just isn't very likely).

I've found that going w/ a group of girls always disarms other girls at the club. If you're alone or w/ a group of guys girls may automatically think you're a "creeper" for approaching them but if you're with at least one or more girl(s) I've found that it tends to disarm most women you approach from thinking you're a "creep."

UniversalFapture · 2019-11-17T05:26:19+00:00

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Title	I’m starting to think this club shit is a waste of time.
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Date	November 16, 2019 6:10 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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