Need some married redpill advice

MrFuckupKing · 2016-01-17T01:28:44+00:00

If I understand the context of your post...

Your wife had an affair behind your back while you were fighting for your life.

She had an affair while being a mother to your children with no concern for how this would impact the children.

She is using your love for your children against you.

Are you sure you want this person in your life ?

Sometimes I think it is wives that cause the early death of men.

rot_barth · 2016-01-17T05:35:57+00:00

Everyone has given you some great advise here. It may just boil down to what do you want to do. But I have some thoughts for you as I have lived through similar/not same.

But your situation is unique in some ways. Let me expand this a little, firstly from a mostly financial point of view:

1- If you died, she gets all the marbles, life insurance, retire plans, soc sec survivor benefits for her and for the kids. The monthly Social security survivor benefits for 4 kids is a huge $ benefit.

2- If you divorce she gets child support, maybe alimony,1/2 the social security retirement benefit for her only.

3- If you divorce then die, she gets nothing but 1/2 your social sec. retirement. Dead men don't pay child support or alimony.

4- If you stay married she wins it all as you live, then even more if you die.

So you can see she has a very complicated set of options to consider when it comes to providing for herself:

The best case outcome for her, #1, but you screwed up and lived (congrats!). Now that option is off the table, for now.

The second best case for her is #4. But you are being hard to deal with here. So Chad disappears and she's B-A-C-K.

Of course any option that includes divorce is bad for her (#2 and #3).

Now let's just look at the kids financial advantage/disadvantages. From a purely financial point of view, they score best on option 1 and 4 (no divorce), and worst on options 2 and 3.

So your desire to put it all back together again, has some sound financial results for your kids. Of course there are other advantages for the kids too are worth way more than money.

What I did in a similar situation (not same as my first wife was much more difficult than yours), was to stay in the marriage. If I had it to do over again, I would have done it different, but that was many years ago.

My suggestion to you, as only you can decide what your priorities are, would be to stay in a modified form of marriage, if the kids are a high priority to you.

Regardless, I would take total control of ALL of the finances from now on.

I would constantly be preparing for the day that the kids leave home.

I would make a life separate from her in some form. You can stay married with a new post-nup, plate her. Divorce. Legal separation. But going back to a beta-bux life is just going to kill you. Maybe it was part of what made you sick before?

You are $150k and a near death experience into this. Whatever you do, get something you can live with. You know this divorce would be over if she just told her lawyer to just finish it. It isn't the lawyer, it's her.

I know your situation is hard. If it were me I would BUY A FRIEND. No, not a hooker, but a really good shrink to help me sort it out. Just for me, no couples BS. The stakes here are too high to take the chance of making an impulsive or poorly examined decision. You have been through a lot, so give yourself every option.

I Wish you the Best.

enfier · 2016-01-17T03:24:41+00:00

You've already paid the piper. The damage to the kids has been done, the lawyers have spent your money on coke and hookers and the relationship is trashed. Just wrap up the divorce as quick as you can and get it behind you.

Then if you want to date your former wife, you can do it without a legal contract.

6TimesDown7TimesUp · 2016-01-17T03:04:43+00:00

Glad to hear you've recovered and thrived after your health issues.

Don't get involved with this woman again. You've spent $150k on litigating the divorce because of the "shenanigans " of the lawyers?

Having been though a contested divorce myself I'd say the lawyers have very little to do with how much drama your divorce was; they'll do whatever their client wants them to do.

You want a simple break, split assets yadda yadda? Your lawyer will do that. You want to delay proceedings and make this a drawn out fight? They'll do that too. That's what my ex wife did. Not saying ALALT, but AWALT. I guarantee your ex thrived on the feelz and drama a prolonged divorce provided.

You say you're a stabilizing force in your kids lives? Then I'm guessing your wife is not.

Chad left and now she needs some beta supports till she can dust herself off and branch swing again/transition through whatever eat-pray-love phase she's in (given her age)

Don't be a bad example to your kids and get back with a woman who cheated on you who when you were ill or because of it, who put you through divorce hell and cost you a ton of money, and only now wants to get back with you after getting drilled by Chad because she wants you to be beta bucks until she can get drilled and thrilled by yet another Chad. You'll never be Mr Right for her, just Mr Right Now.

Not saying you aren't RP now or alpha in the eyes of other women but to your ex wife I guarantee 100% you are not. And God forbid you get sick again with that harpy under your roof.

Don't even plate someone like this. You'll confuse yourself with old feelz and confuse your kids. Kids can see how relationships work and have seen what you have gone though with your divorce. Trust me they might like the "security" of having mommy and daddy together temporarily but will thank you for sparing them further drama when they are grown and adults.

On again, off again, with a woman that tried to cripple the family financially plus drilled Chad just to go back to get more money from Dad till another Chad came along (which he will) is an emasculating example for any son and a terrible blue pill example for any daughter to witness.

Find someone else. Find someone better. Don't let people like this back into your life. It literally might kill you going though the toxic stress of dealing with someone like that when she cheats on you again.

Seriously. WTF OP?? Just reading your post makes me furious for you. I know you have to co-parent but in the immortal words of Motley Crue, "Girl don't go away mad. Girl, just go away."

WhiteTrashKiller · 2016-01-17T02:48:21+00:00

Unless you can possibly find a way to secure the majority of your assets with her signature prior to getting involved with her again you'd be a fool.

I give you lots of credit for your composure in tough times, learn from that experience and use it here with your decision. If she truly has had a change of heart approach her with a post nuptual agreement outlining any future cheating and the dire financial predicament it would put her in. If she balks you know it is all bullshit and use anything you can to steal, hide, waste your assets so she cannot profit from her infidelity.

Maybe think about moving alot of your assets to a trust for your children while she assumes you are back together. Not an expert here, but a trust conceived prior to a divorce may limit her access to the assets

Just my .02

Good Luck!

JAK11501 · 2016-01-17T03:24:08+00:00

I think a father is there to show his sons how to be a man and is the role model that his daughters use in picking a man. If you agree with me in my last statement the question of taking back the Mrs. is clear.

Redneck001 · 2016-01-17T11:59:41+00:00

Hey, we're the same age. So are our wives.

She's not a 9, and you're probably not a 7.

She's trying to become your beneficiary again. And she'll cheat as soon as you take a sick day off with a cold. Plate her.

2016-01-17T02:08:45+00:00

I think your some oneitis is at play. The fantasy of saving the marriage and getting back together is a blue pill pipe-dream that you should know is not true. You didn't win against chad... Chad simply nexted your "wife". She is scared and is crawling back to you, but being smarter she is being manipulative about it. If you take her back, then you will always be seen as weak in her eyes.

Your kids have already seen enough ugly hypergamy. With partial custody, then that will spare them from further exposure.

BluepillProfessor · 2016-01-17T02:42:40+00:00

My view? She broke the marriage contract and you are free to do whatever the fuck you want. What is it that YOU want?

If it were me? I would read up on Plate Theory and spin the wife as a plate. Perhaps a top tier plate but this baby momma has shown that she is a plate, nothing more, nothing less. If she wants to get back with you I would consider sliding her into the rotation, if nothing more than for the kids.

2016-01-17T02:01:57+00:00

Don't take the bait. If she cheated on you once, what makes u think she won't do it again?

Also, it's going to be especially confusing for the kids if you two start being friendly again. They're already used to mom and dad being separated for some time, so why go and change things up? It's not going to be the exact same 2-parent household that you want anyway.

Carpy1982 · 2016-01-17T03:15:32+00:00

You wont ever be respected by her again if you take Her back. She may gain small amounts for you over time if you keep working the MRP playbook but she'll never totally respect you. It's just not possible. What she did is inexcusable. And she should NOT be able to run back to you with her tail between her legs and beg for forgiveness and get her old life back. And I say fuck her for even thinking she should be able to. And what makes it worse is you were deathly ill, so what does she do, goes out and jumps on the cock couresel. This whole situation reeks of you getting played, my friend. I'm 33. Got 2 children. My wife has never cheated but she almost did. That's when I found TRP/MRP. Had she cheated we would not be together. I can't be with someone who did me like that, no way in hell. I do realize that it's going to be a tougher decision and a tougher life situation and a tough adjustment to next her, but in the end you'll be so much happier. Just think of how exciting it would be to get out there find some new women. And maybe even settle down with one later on. One that you have made your new agenda very clear to and she respects that agenda and respects you. Now that's a relationship worth having if you ask me. Do what you want to do, just trust your instincts. Everyone here is going to tell you pretty much the same thing as I did. That's not a cooncidence, it's simply truth. And if you do take her back, you'll realize very shortly after that we were all right. Good luck my friend.

fakefalse · 2016-01-17T03:27:31+00:00

Your actions act as a manual for your kids to learn from in the game of life.

This scenario for me would be an excellent opertunity to demonstrate to my kids, what healthy behavior is and what consequences are.

This simplifies it for me. I hope it does for you too.

2016-01-17T03:38:48+00:00

Once a cheater always a cheater. From your write up she seems to have a strategic reason for suddenly wanting to get back with you. I would view this all with caution. I know AWALT but the fact remains she seems to be a woman with a little heavier dose of the" dark arts "in her. Regardless of your kids, this doesn't seem to be a woman who you need to have in your life, as a wife, anymore.

innominating · 2016-01-17T05:20:40+00:00

You make it sound like you want to get back together with her for the kids.

Your kids won't suddenly stop failing because you act like Chad Thundercock didn't happen for however long until she does it again. The damage is done.

Spin more plates.

Archterus · 2016-01-17T08:50:32+00:00

51 yr old, four kids, married 26,years. You said it yourself, you are nuts. The best analogy i can liken this to is Russian roulette. You've been told there are two rounds in a six round chamber. Five have gone, I straight into your guts via your heart. Now you're saying, Nah, I'll be OK. I get your concern. I see lots of kids fucked beyond repair by parents not separating and staying that way. Your mutual behaviours are their primary model for the future. Is this what you want them to accept as normal. Christ,you've looked death in the eye, embrace life!

2016-01-17T11:10:11+00:00

Please finish the divorce. She is a piece of shit plain and simple. Your kids will be 100% behind you. Make a will and leave it all to be shared between your kids. Then tell her to fuck off back to Chad like the whore she is - in those words.

A shame your kids are pre teen - once they get a bit older they can think for themselves and understand what's really happening.

rot_barth · 2016-01-17T14:36:40+00:00

You can certainly take her back and provide the kids the two parent home you say they need.

What you can't have back is the bluepill misconception that you have a spouse who loves you unconditionally.

In fact, you never had it, you just thought you did.

Read War Brides from Rollo. It will help show you that your experience here is not so special. AWALT

http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/03/war-brides/

Good luck man.

2016-01-18T19:39:31+00:00

If I were in your shoes, I'd finish up the divorce. That's a no-brainer. Under no circumstances whatsoever would I end the divorce and remain married. I'd plate her, but I would not get serious with her again, ever.

As for the kids, the damage is already done. You might as well finish up the divorce. And if the kids don't know why, I'd tell them- "your mom decided to have sex with someone else. I won't stay married to your mother or anyone else who treated me like this."

Your wife will never respect you if you reconcile with her and end the divorce. Your old life as her husband is gone, and you wont' be able to get it back. The only reason she's come back to you is that the man she perceived as her "better" option is gone.

The kids will be OK. You'll be OK. The kids won't get the monetary lifestyle you wanted them to have, possibly. They'll get over it.

2016-01-18T23:30:25+00:00

Walk away. I've spent over $200,000 with attorneys in the past 10 years since divorce. I also have a kid.

I am remarried now and there IS life after divorce. Just know that divorce with kids is never final until they are grown.

Just don't get married again, be an awesome dad, and make sure your ex keeps dirtbags away from your children if possible.

Once the kids are grown, you will be free. Marry this bitch again and you are stuck. Remember, you are teaching your children lots of things with your actions. They will eventually know what she did.

If you take her back, what are you teaching them about self-respect? What are you teaching them about your self-esteem?

Granted, your ex-wife will talk shit about you. When they are older they will know the truth about you.

Do NOT play nice. Fight to protect your assets. Do NOT allow this disloyal woman back into your life. You can have a great future without her. Take her back, and you are proving to her that you are just as weak as you were while you were sick. Disloyalty is punished by execution. There is no forgiveness.

2016-01-17T00:52:44+00:00

What happens when she finds another option?

What do you want in return for even considering it? Id wager you would command a high price of entty, and not just for her to stop being a cunt

RPcoyote · 2016-01-17T00:58:09+00:00

Remember she's playing a game too. And acting quickly to take her back would give her an easy win now that her chad left. Redpotatowedge had good points.

I get that you are tempted to reconcile and get back together possibly mostly for practical treason. If you do now is your chance to have the relationship on terms you want - so I'd look to extract as much as possible and go in (1) taking my time ; (2) eyes wide open that's it's strictly a convenient arrangement than anything else. (3) with outcome that you too would be apart in 10 years once kids grow still very much on table. In this scenario worth discussing with attorney: would your liability be (much) bigger if that happens down the line vs now? Are there arrangements you could put in place now legally to limit your downside from this point onward? Basically get back together and call off divorce proceedings but agree that from now on there's no more contribution to the marital estate (like a prenup mid stream)?

ThrowTheEgg · 2016-01-17T02:06:10+00:00

Effect of the divorce on the kids has been bad because of her attorney’s shenanigans. I try to be the stabilizing force in their lives, and they know that daddy is the one really taking care of them

can you elaborate? Why, if the kids know you're the one doing the work, would they benefit from having her back with you? They must have seen/be seeng what she's been up to, so what is the practical effect of allowing wife back in? They have seen it's broken, and see that she broke it -- so how will her re-entry/leave pass benefit them, let alone you? I sympathise with the situation and admire the fight you must have put in to beat the odds.

NameOfAction · 2016-01-17T02:23:27+00:00

Yes AWALT but, and I don't want to sound like Animal Farm, but all women are AWALT but some women are more AWALT than others.

And good on you, it is always the fathers job to be the stabilizing force in his children's life and I'm very glad to hear you take that seriously. Nothing wrong with philandering, but don't let your kids see. And pray that they don't see her on the CC.

Children of divorce can still do well, if the parents aren't a couple of bickering adolescents. Be strong and stable, but single.

cj_aubrey · 2016-01-17T03:51:13+00:00

Attractive wife [41F HB9]

I just want to question that rating for a sec. Unless she's a former lingerie model it seems high and stinks of oneitis. If you do have any further interaction with her you must be free of oneitis or she will own you (coming back after that behavior) and know it.

chief_slap_ahoe · 2016-01-17T12:26:26+00:00

Dude do you really believe she wont jump under the next CHAD that comes by. If you do you are blind. She wants her meal ticket, her bitch back.

Remember there are always bigger ALPHA'S out there.

2016-01-17T16:00:15+00:00

lower upper class lifestyle I want them to achieve.

Then let them achieve that lifestyle.

As you have seen with your soon to be ex, when you give someone something without them having earned it for themselves, whatever you give them will not be appreciated, only taken for granted.

You need to put distance between you and the ex.

red-pill-man · 2016-01-17T20:54:23+00:00

She's already proven she's a shitty wife, how good of a mother can she be?

NEXT.

mrpCamper · 2016-01-17T22:20:19+00:00

It just seems to me that in a few short years, your kids are going to be teens and off to college and a stable family life won't be as important as it is now and was for their more formative years. You'll be late fifties with a woman you have already had bad experiences with thinking about the plates you could be spinning and the vacations you could be bacheloring it up on.

If you're going to be alimony and child support free in less than a decade why put your self back into that position?

turn30left · 2016-01-17T02:52:36+00:00

Dude. Don't even consider this. This is omega behavior.

redpotatowedge · 2016-01-17T00:19:12+00:00

The entire reason for MRP is that SMV is fluid. You can raise it and out alpha Chad over there. But what you should be thinking about is you and your kids.

Does staying with their mom show your kids strength or weakness? It's in how you play it from now on. You are the captain and if you decide to let her back in your ship she has to be a good first officer. If she isn't, or can't be then too bad for her.

You are in charge of the situation, don't blow it.

innibinni · 2016-01-17T11:32:41+00:00

I come from divorced parents. I hated them for separating for a while. Then I started seeing that I'd probably hate them more if they hadn't. I see it as you would be unhappy together, and kids catch that sort of thing. This one is lost so move on to being the best damn dad you can be.

2016-01-18T00:47:15+00:00

She sees you as a high value beta as well as an alpha, and she has already sunk cost in you. She partied a bit, and realizes that she is old, wont be able to play the field well anymore. She is realizing the rules of the game after dipping her toes a bit. You have the power, she doesn't.

You have the power in taking her back. I suggest taking her on a complete emotional rollercoaster while taking her back. This will serve the purpose of solidifying that you are the alpha badboy, and in so doing, makes he open to the possibility of you staying that way, in a way, rewriting the rules.

Examples: take her on amazing dates, make her want you. Then let her go party on her own and know that the other alpha faggots aren't as good as you and won't settle for her. The children are important for her, so use them against her emotionally "I might have wandered a bit (telling her logical mind that you are repenting, but telling her subconscious mind that you are the alpha), but I realize that I just want the children to have a successful life, especially my little girls (fuck you), but you hurt me, I didn't even know that was possible until you did it". Basically, fuck with her brain. The more emotions a woman feels, whether good or bad, is how she knows she wants you. Notice that in women's romance movies, the intensity of the movie is determined by the extremes of emotions, not by how perfect the situations are. The goal in creating romance is extreme highs and extreme lows in emotion. Because women are stupid, and emotions are always the end all be all.

In the end, the ideal solution is that you guys stay in a marriage, to avoid the marriage rape, but marriage only in the sense of legally. You and she both get to fuck around, because that's what you are doing right now. But know for sure, if both of you are playing the field, it will create a situation where you have more power than her, because she is over the hill, and you are still in your prime if you take care of yourself.

Also, make sure to leverage the children against her emotionally. She doesn't give a shit about you, but she will do stuff for the children. Make sure the children love you. Make sure the children are ashamed of her. Spend time and money on your children as the main leverage over her behavior. Shame is the only way to control a married women. Love doesn't do shit.

A bit of my own analysis here: your boys will be better off socioeconomically in a nuclear family, but I doubt they will be better off in relationship life if you are setting the example that the nuclear family is the way to live. Your boys will run into the same dating problems, probably worse, and if you are going to stay in a nuclear relationship also as an example of how relationships should be, you're setting your boys up for failure.

SexistFlyingPig · 2016-01-17T04:50:42+00:00

TL/DR: just read the second-to-last paragraph.

There are lots of competing factors here, as you know.

You don't trust her, and you shouldn't, but you know that truly all women are like that. Just as a man can always fall into beta, he can always rise into alpha again.

So ask yourself, why do you want to get back together with your children's mother. Is it just for the kids? Or do you have oneitis for her? If it's oneitis, then her moving back in is going to be bad bad bad. You're going to drop into supplicating her constantly, she won't respect you, and she'll never stay true to you. But if you're outcome independent on this, it might work.

How do you see the day-in and day-out of existence with her go? I don't know what it was before and what you're thinking it will be now. If you really think you're going to lead, and that this broken woman will follow, then you can get back together with her. But would the kids really be better off with mom around? Would you? How much time does she suck out of your day? Time that you could better spend lifting or fucking hotter and younger women?

Okay, here's an idea. You're willing to give it a go, but you need some assurances in writing. Whatever contentions exist right now that are preventing the divorce from going through, have her sign away her rights to them: basically a pre-nup after the fact.

The kids don't complicate it much, if you're retired comfortably, because you can be a stay-at-home dad for them until they all finish high school, if you wish. If you're just wanting to get back together with their mom so that they have a dual-parent home, don't. You're pedestalizing her role as a mom and a nurturer. You can do all of that in a more organized efficient way, if you try, I'm sure of it. You will raise children that are rational, thoughtful human beings, all by yourself. You don't need her for that. They can get mommy time during her portion of shared parenting. Your roles will be separate anyway, and you'll have the added advantage that the mom can't tell you how to ~~waste~~ spend your time.

Sepean · 2016-01-17T13:15:21+00:00

You got terminally ill and went beta too. That she left doesn't speak highly of her character, but probably the majority would have done what she did. If you and her can get over what happened, you don't have oneitis and she can respect you (and those are big ifs), then I don't see what she did as something that disqualifies her. If you're back in shape she's not likely to just jump ship with the next Chad that comes along.

She's got some shit to make up for though, make her work her way back, and she needs to sign a solid postnup. And you need to be 100% committed to next her if she doesn't behave, both for your sake and for the kids.

trp_dude · 2016-01-17T18:52:10+00:00

Almost same age as you, similar income probably here.

When I first came on MRP, I was of the mindset that infidelity was intolerable. As I came to understand, though, it is really common, and it is sometimes beyond the control of the woman.

A 35 yo woman with 4 kids to care for, looking for a branch swing when her husband is going to die--that is a shitty thing to do to you, but in one sense she was looking out to protect her kids.

In other words, is she evil or just a woman? Almost 50% of women cheat at some point. Are they all evil?

Are you 100% better? Cured or almost cured?

If you can get a post-nup, I would consider getting back with her. To answer your question, can you "really expecting anything different from any other woman?" No. The only thing you can expect is a HB9 who is 25 instead of 41.

If your kids are failing in life, it is worth trying it, I think.

0io- · 2016-01-17T03:52:33+00:00

When I was about 28 I had a gorgeous and brilliant 18 year old girlfriend who was madly in love with me (I was her first), and hanging out with me all the time. Lots of fun, wild sex, good times all around. When I was 30 I got cancer, and the first diagnosis was that it was a bad one with about 10% chance of survival. Of course, girlfriend basically started acting weird and flaky and didn't want to stick around while I did chemo and radiation. We broke up and I ended up with a few different girlfriends. So I think it's AWALT. They're hard-wired to flee from a sinking ship or a burning building. Your ex/wife had probably had all sorts of people who told her that you're as good as dead and she has to move on while she still can and make hay while the sun is shining.

While I realize it's not a perfect analogy, the situation for a man would probably be something like "wife is in a coma, doctor says she's brain dead and will never be more than a vegetable and can you please do the right thing and donate her organs" so you decide you have to go on with your life and go spin plates, and then all of a sudden she wakes up and now you're the monster who went behind her back and fucked all these girls while she lay there brain-dead and fighting for her life...

For me, personally, I would keep her around if she cleans up her act and behaves herself as well or better than she did during the first 19 years assuming that you were pleased with her then, and then spin as many guilt-free plates on the side as you like just like u/ultimatecad.

You know, your wife behaved entirely in accordance with the "depressing" truths of RP. You were about to die, so she goes and sluts it up on the cock carousel and looks for a replacement you. Now it turns out it was a false alarm and you're not dead, so you're her best option.

If you keep her around without divorcing her you're basically avoiding a divorce rape, your kids get the nuclear family, and you have pretty solid ground to get as much action as you want on the side for pretty much forever.

Unless you want more kids with a new wife, I don't see what you have to lose by avoiding the pending divorce rape.

Using the standard RP lingo "I had a very important party planned, with steak for all the guests, which my dog knew all about, and then I had to leave for a couple of years, and when I came back, my dog had eaten all the steaks and ran off to some other house in the neighborhood where there were kids who would feed him every night. Now they moved away, should I take my dog back?"

You've had the misfortune to see this dark side of human nature.

spexer · 2016-01-18T23:20:43+00:00

you are looking at this with the best possible outcome of the rekindled 2 parent home. Also consider the effect on your kids (who are not stable) - if this rekindled relationship does not work , and things are toxic. Already you wife would have to adjust to the new redpill you (and shittest it hard) - with your kids witnessing this. Add to this the prospect that she now knows she can cheat and get away with it....

I understand what you are considering and respect the call you have to make - just dont do it with rose colored glasses.

massimoliani · 2016-01-17T08:50:03+00:00

Kids will pickup on your crappy relationship with her. Don't even think they won't.

Everytime you kiss her lips, you'll be licking Chad's cock.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-01-17T15:54:04+00:00

41 yr old "HB9"

exbp · 2016-01-17T16:28:18+00:00

All your details are about you and your wife but I suspect your question is really all about your kids. I think you're asking if you should fake your way through a relationship with your wife to maintain some control over what happens to your kids. If so, I think you can and should do this.

You don't day how old the kids are but I'm guessing they aren't toddlers if you were married 19 years. I would definitely make an attempt at being her alpha for a few years if it meant I could bring my kids up well. When the kids get old enough, dump her then. You can always keep a mistress if needed and the extra time and cooperation might let you ease the divorce process.

2016-01-17T08:41:29+00:00

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Title	Need some married redpill advice
Author	rot_barth
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Date	January 17, 2016 12:10 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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