“Tone” and “teasing” are hard to nail
The Red Quest | September 4, 2022 | by The Red Quest
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I was reading some of Juggler’s book
[https://theredquest.files.wordpress.com/2022/09/juggler_the_juggler_method_encyclopedia_second_edition.pdf],
which, like BradP’s
[https://theredquest.wordpress.com/2022/05/15/brad-ps-dating-education-memoir-diary-of-a-pickup-artist-pua/],
is very good, but as I was reading it I kept thinking about how hard
things like tone and teasing are to nail. So many little things
comprise “tone”… micro-expressions, micro-aspects of body
language, subtle parts of the voice’s timbre… all these things
matter, and should be put together effectively, for a guy to succeed.
The number of romantically ineffective guys out there shows that this
isn’t happening, despite the knowledge of how to make it happen
being widely available. Juggler says, “I used to smile wrong. I
would spot an attractive woman, make eye contact with her and then
smile full-tilt. My expression jumped from dour to grinning in a split
second. This came across as forced and awkward and kept me celibate
for years.” I doubt it was _only_ the smile that kept Juggler
“celibate for years,” but I’m sure it contributed… people,
particularly women, are highly attuned to interpersonal vibe, and
highly attuned to people whose vibes are “off” somehow, as many
guys’s are… we get many years of schooling in math, reading, etc.,
and almost no formal schooling in how to interact with other people.

The challenge for many guys reading Juggler’s book, and many other
books, is learning how to do tone and teasing well… I don’t know
how to describe doing those things well, but I know I did them poorly
early on. There are ways to improve, things like coaching, improv
classes, speech clubs, etc…. but, I think deciding to consciously
work on them is an important first step, and one that most guys never
take. I’ve seen stories online about guys who adapt pickup material
and see it fail spectacularly. Many women also don’t know how to
handle an initial conversation effectively… “But experience has
taught him that a woman who is being approached by a strange man does
not act natural. She feels suddenly ‘on stage’ and self-conscious.
She worries about what her friends at the next table think. She
remembers the last guy who approached her. She feels nostalgic for her
ex-boyfriend. She is anywhere but in the moment with you.”
Attractive women, however, don’t really have to learn how to do
this, because they can choose among the guys who persevere through any
initial awkwardness.

Some of the videos guys made in the 2000s, when we lived in a culture
that’s less interested in digital mobs, are pretty good, but
they’re only a start, and there is no substitute for practice. We
live in a consumerist culture obsessed with immediate gratification,
but in fact the best things usually only arrive after many years of
effort
[https://theredquest.wordpress.com/2018/10/17/there-is-no-easy-way-there-is-only-the-hard-way/],
and by the time a man has achieved them, he’s a different man than
he was when he began the journey. There are no magic lines, but there
are ways of being in the world that open up the world’s shell,
revealing the vital part of the oyster within. The more I think about
my own journey, the more I realize I would’ve benefited from
coaching early on, which is why I have recommended to guys that they
find a coach [https://redpilldad.blog/coachingrpd/], if they are
serious and want to avoid wasting a lot of time (I wasted a lot of
time).

Many of the top guys learn vibe, teasing, social skills, and so forth
from their families, but most of us don’t get that, so we must learn
them on our own (if we learn them at all… most people don’t). If a
guy uses outrageous lines, but in a context that’s not right for it,
the results may be blowouts or fireworks. But a guy frequently won’t
know if the thing will work until he tries it. I like game stories
because they frequently include elements where the guy tries something
outrageous, just to see if it works… and, if it’s done properly,
it often works. I’ve been told that my own unique contribution to
game and seduction ideas
[https://theredquest.wordpress.com/free-book-on-sex-clubs/] is
outrageous and impossible… accusations that make me smile (hopefully
in a normal way, not in the awkward way Juggler had to train himself
out of). So much is possible, and so few guys properly realize this
[https://theredquest.wordpress.com/2021/06/30/most-guys-dont-care-much-about-getting-laid-i-hypothesize/].
They live in frustration, instead of taking action.

Will she see through you, like she sees the future? 
 
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