The Male Social Matrix: Back To The Sandbox The Red Pill Room | August 30, 2012 | by Ian Ironwood ------------------------- There's been a lot of talk around the Manosphere lately about the differences between how men and women relate to each other, socially.  They all dovetail nicely to my Female Social Matrix/Male Social Matrix theory nicely, so I'm going to cover them and expound upon them because I do that sort of thing.  Let's talk about the Sandbox [http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/06/female-social-matrix-playground-rules.html], and what happens when a girl gets in...and why. [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CGf9wWM5EAg/UD_JrvbbkiI/AAAAAAAABuk/C01SOS1tdqg/s1600/men.JPG] First, from the venerable Badger Hut, where Badger made the astute observation in his post BEING AN EMOTIONAL MAN DOES NOT EQUAL “TALKING ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS” [http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/being-an-emotional-man-does-not-equal-talking-about-your-feelings/]: > [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b6Sycgv4UeU/UD_MQk9pqcI/AAAAAAAABus/BbZYLQbXwgY/s1600/42-16543556.jpg] >  >         Note where the only female has been stationed... >  >  MALE SOCIAL DYNAMICS HAVE TWO MAJOR PARTS: THE FIRST IN WHICH MEN > ARE TESTED FOR THEIR FITNESS FOR MEMBERSHIP, AND THE SECOND IN WHICH > HAVING PASSED THE TEST THEY ARE ACCEPTED INTO THE GROUP ALMOST > WHOLESALE. I DON’T SEE THIS IN FEMALE SOCIAL GROUPS (IN FACT I SEE > THE OPPOSITE – IMMEDIATE SUPERFICIAL ACCEPTANCE, FOLLOWED BY AN > UNDERCURRENT OF OBFUSCATED AND PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE CHALLENGES FROM > THE INSIDE). Cool, huh?  The next day, Athol did a piece about Why The Wannabe Other Man Tests You First [http://marriedmansexlife.com/2012/08/why-the-wannabe-other-man-tests-you-first/#comments], in which he recounts a tale of a man whose masculinity was repeatedly challenged in front of a group of friends, including his wife, and how it was handled. Both posts bear examination, and both touch on a very sensitive subject that we don't discuss often enough.  HOW WE SOCIALIZE AS MEN HAS A GREAT DEAL TO DO WITH HOW WE ACT AND REACT AROUND WOMEN, AND _VICE VERSA_. As Badger says, you don't get included in the "Man Club" -- the Male Social Matrix -- just by having a penis.  If you recall my other posts about the subject, you know that men test each other at the outset of meeting each other in order to establish a dominance hierarchy.  It may be a high-order hierarchy, like a corporation or an army, or it may be a low-order hierarchy, like four guys on a fishing trip, but regardless of the situation _YOU CAN'T GET INTO THE SANDBOX UNTIL YOU'VE PROVEN YOUR VALUE TO EVERYONE._ That can take many forms, depending on the men and the situation -- but once you pass the test then you get into the sandbox and follow the leader of the pack like the other boys, and _everyone_ has a good time.  If you play particularly well, your status goes up.  If you're kind of an asshole, your status goes down -- but you aren't tossed from the group.  You just become the group's Asshole.  That role comes with certain expectations, but we'll get into that another time. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QEtXJrfu9bI/UD_MhQBUixI/AAAAAAAABu0/XIKPo_orZeM/s1600/49PSG00Z.jpg]In the case of Athol's story, the social interloper made several_ very _public, _very _nasty emasculating marks that were clearly a challenge to the other man, an overt play to intimidate him and impress his wife.  The man dealt with it with a subtle threat of physical violence, which countered the interloper's threat nicely.  It was followed up with yet _another_ confrontation with a third party who reiterated the threat.  Because, y'know, SOMETIMES SOMEONE JUST NEEDS TO HEAR THAT THEY WILL GET THEIR ASS _RIGHTEOUSLY KICKED _IF THEY CONTINUE INTERLOPING WITH DESIGNS ON ANOTHER MAN'S WOMAN.  As it should be. The aspect I want to address is the test-and-bonding ritual, and the role that Alpha and Beta play in the Male Social Matrix.  In essence, THE INTERLOPER VIOLATED THE TACIT RULES OF THE SANDBOX BY DICKISHLY EMASCULATING THE MARRIED MAN, AND SEVERE CONSEQUENCES RESULTED.  He was attempting to be a Bull Alpha and make a move -- or at least test the waters -- on a woman who was _clearly_ already claimed by another man.  Worse, he chose _emasculation_ in a public venue to make his challenge, an arena where an overt display of confrontation would have been problematic due to the mixed nature of the event. You see, had the party been men-only, then the dynamic would have changed _dramatically_.  If you attempt to verbally emasculate another man in a group of men, then it's either teasing banter between old friends or a direct challenge to be handled directly -- and knowing the difference between the two is an exclusion criteria for most groups of men. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4gDTnomMr2Q/UD_Mxxm3qBI/AAAAAAAABvE/STGm4rMn1HQ/s1600/ill-dynamite.jpg] But IF A DUDE IS _THAT_ MUCH OF AN ASSHOLE AS TO CALL YOU "GIRLY" IN FRONT OF A BUNCH OF OTHER GUYS, THEN DIRECT CONFRONTATION IS REQUIRED TO COUNTER THE ASSHOLE'S PLAY FOR DOMINANCE.  Since it was done in mixed company, the husband had to consider the ramifications of his actions not just on the Sandbox, but what it would have meant to his wife over on the Swing-set.  Women don't like direct confrontations, they like nice, pleasant little gatherings where gossip can flourish and they can stab each other in the back like civilized women. This Social Testing for admission to the Sandbox can take many forms, of course, but there's always an implied challenge, response, and resolution.  THINK OF IT AS THE "PRISON YARD PLAY", WHERE A DEMAND ON A NEW INMATE BY AN OLD INMATE _HAS_ TO BE MET WITH VIOLENCE, OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE SOMEONE'S BITCH BY EVENING.  If someone calls you out in front of a bunch of dudes, then either a demand for a retraction or a confrontation is in order.  And even if the Asshole in question is much, _much_ bigger than you, and you _do_ have a high chance of getting your ass kicked, THE ALPHA THING TO DO IS TO GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR ASS KICKED.  Because if you don't, then you tacitly admit his (admittedly assholish) emasculation of you and accept the consequences. There's good news, though: IF YOU DO TAKE ON THE ASSHOLE AND LOSE, YOU HAVEN'T REALLY LOST.  Losing to the AMOG may not be great, but it doesn't send you to the bottom of the pyramid.  Your challenge made you a "contender" for AMOG, even if the odds were long.  The reward you get is the respect from the other men in the Matrix, who have witnessed your response to the challenge and your bravery for taking it on, and who don't count your loss against you.  YOU MIGHT GET YOUR ASS KICKED, BUT NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO SAY SHIT ABOUT YOU, KNOWING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DEFEND YOUR TERRITORY.  Bull Alpha bullies depend on dudes backing down when they make a dominance play, and when that doesn't happen, more often than not they back down themselves and find something better to do.  That's life in the Sandbox [http://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2012/06/female-social-matrix-playground-rules.html]. Add just one woman into that mix, however, and the _entire dynamic_ changes. [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aqa9_j5_tFs/UD_Nn9zcNiI/AAAAAAAABvM/eXP3B9XyeIY/s1600/menonegirl.JPG] I'll shift sideways a little to illustrate my point.  I live in the Land O' Cotton, the glorious South, and I know a lot of black people.  I'm not a racist, most of my black friends aren't racists, and 95% of the time our cultural memes are _exactly_ the same, even if our perspectives and presentatinos are slightly different. I bring this up because _that other 5%_ can trip you up if you don't understand it.  A group of black folks in the South will act one way when it's _only _black people within earshot.  Introduce a single white face and their entire presentation subtly changes.  It's not a negative thing -- it's not like they sneer or make negative comments or anything -- iT'S MERELY THE FACT THAT A WHITE PERSON IS PRESENT CHANGES THE RULES OF SOCIAL DYNAMICS AMONG MY AFRICAN-AMERICAN FRIENDS.   They're just as polite to me as each other, just as ready to engage in discussion or debate, just as likely to include me in the event . . . but there's no doubt in my mind that my presence has interrupted or interfered in the all-black social group dynamics that was there before I arrived.  It's a subtle thing, and most white people don't even realize it's there -- _I_ didn't, really, until a white friend of mine wanted to go see a step show at a local historically black college, and I discouraged him -- because, as I told him, SOMETIMES BLACK FOLKS JUST NEED THE SPACE TO "BE BLACK" WITHOUT ANY WHITE PEOPLE AROUND.  It's not a racist thing, it's a cultural thing. Similarly, ONE WOMAN IN AN ALL-MALE GROUP RADICALLY ALTERS THE DYNAMIC.  Some women who seem determined to be included as "one of the guys" find it highly frustrating when despite their best efforts they _just don't make the cut._  I knew one in college who was _determined_ to be accepted as "one of the guys" in Tech Crew for a play, and she did everything she could to de-feminize herself (she was straight, and I think she was after one of the other dudes, but I digress . . .) in that pursuit. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2w3TSiKkESk/UD_N_c8jhII/AAAAAAAABvU/UCgdZefuweY/s1600/6869979044_29291167df_m.jpg] But one night after rehearsal, the rest of the dudes went to an off-campus house to watch porn and play videogames . . . _without her_.  She was heartbroken and angry, and the next practice she _demanded_ that they include her next time, even threatened to complain of discrimination if they didn't.  She was unsatisfied.  THEY WERE DUDES, SHE WAS A CHICK, AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY RESPECTED HER ABILITIES, SHE STILL WASN'T A DUDE.  She ended up quitting the next week, citing "an increased academic load", but we all knew she left because she wasn't included in the Sandbox. A single woman attempting to infiltrate the Sandbox will sometimes understand the situation well enough to demand a male-style challenge herself.  Depending upon the males in question, they may or may not humor her.  And if she does succeed in the challenge, she will get a little grudging respect, and she will be "included" in the next "all-guys" night.  But "being included" often means "being ignored", just like you'd mostly ignore a low-status Gamma or Delta.  A woman's successful challenge to gain entry to the Sandbox usually means that she's low-status to no-status...but the dynamic in the Sandbox shifts anyway, because she's still a chick, they're still dudes, and even if she watches porn and plays videogames she's still a chick and they're _still dudes._ [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-odPZqeTXfJI/UD_OwnPHoUI/AAAAAAAABvo/7XAXOKfkm-Y/s1600/187559-12_ad_slide.png] Inclusion in an all-male group is rarely the prize that some women make it out to be.  The key difference is the amount of respect given to a woman, compared to a man, when she makes the challenge. A group of men will cede respect to the challenger, if he's male, in accordance with his style and success.  A group of men will almost never cede their respect to a female challenger, because they all realize the innate differences in approach and perspective between men and women, and they understand at a basic level how allowing her to accept the challenge is a serious compromise.  She gets just enough respect to remain in the Sandbox, but will never rise any higher in the hierarchy than the lowest Beta.  Here's what Susan Walsh at the venerable HUS [http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/08/29/relationshipstrategies/hot-mean-vs-not-hot-nice-what-do-girls-want/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HookingUpSmart+%28Hooking+Up+Smart%29] has observed: > IT IS MY CONTENTION THAT MOST HUMAN SOCIAL GROUPS HAVE A MALE > DOMINATION HIERARCHY OF SOME SORT, WITH THE MORE SELF-CONFIDENT > MALES NEAR THE TOP AND THE LESS SELF-CONFIDENT NEARER THE BOTTOM. > MIND YOU, THEY DON’T BUTT HEADS OR BEAT EACH OTHER UP; THE MORE > DOMINANT ONES LEAD THE GROUP, GUIDE THE CONVERSATION, ARE THE ONES > THAT OTHERS LOOK UP TO, ETC. THE LESS DOMINANT ONES ARE FOLLOWERS, > AND IN PATHOLOGICAL SITUATIONS, ARE RIDICULED AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE > OF. [http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-34o6wK-KCi4/UD_OayO4iWI/AAAAAAAABvc/NU-qIyvCfTk/s1600/299.1L.jpg] Exactly.  And WHEN A WOMAN IS PRESENT, THAT SCREWS UP ALL THAT BEAUTIFUL MALE CONFLICT RESOLUTION.  Because suddenly the dudes stop trying to impress _each other_ and rise in the hierarchy through achievement and start trying to i_mpress the girl,_ whether they're into her or not.  They can't help it.  That's their genetic programming.  Unless they're gay enough to warrant a fabulous pair of designer beach sandals and matching swimsuit/swimrobe combination, you and your buds are going to start focusing on _her_, not the success of the group. Susan also helpfully points this out: > "SELF-ESTEEM THEORY SAYS THAT WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAXIMIZE OUR > SELF-ESTEEM AND THAT WE DERIVE SELF-ESTEEM FROM TWO SOURCES: > ACHIEVEMENT AND AFFILIATIONS (FRIENDS, GROUPS, LOVERS). " That is, MEN USUALLY GAIN THEIR SELF-ESTEEM THROUGH ACHIEVEMENT ("HOW GOOD AM I?") WHILE WOMEN TRADITIONALLY GAIN THEIR SELF-ESTEEM THROUGH AFFILIATION ("HOW POPULAR AM I?").  So while the men in the Sandbox see the woman attempting to prove herself through achievement in tackling whatever fitness challenge they've come up with, the woman is focused _far_ more on her _inclusion_ than her _success_.  If success is the only way to gain inclusion into an exclusive group (which is as good as money in the Female Social Matrix), then the woman will pursue success _to that end_.  Men, on the other hand, will focus on the achievement and be less concerned about affiliation.  They might join a group in order to achieve something, but the focus is almost always on the achievement, not the affiliation. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-shKAiUpSp5w/UD_QuTjqVyI/AAAAAAAABv4/8TtcRBt6KA0/s1600/6255902646_1f8ca78737.jpg] I think we men understand this at a basic level.  When a girl tries to do something that usually only boys do, the natural hesitancy on the part of men isn't -- as many women, particularly feminists, contend -- because they don't want their social group to be _exclusive_.  That's a chick thing.  MEN RESENT WOMEN WHO INTRUDE INTO THE SANDBOX BECAUSE THEY'RE USUALLY DOING IT AS A MATTER OF SOCIAL POSITIONING, NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME DRIVE TOWARD ACHIEVEMENT THAT MEN DO.  To men, what you do matters, and why you do what you do matters a whole lot.  Not so much over at the Swingset, where it's what you say, not what you do, that counts. And then there's this other thing: the tendency of those first "female pioneers" in the Sandbox to attempt to re-write the social rules after they were grudgingly included.  IN MOST SANDBOXES THAT MEANS DIALING DOWN THE ACHIEVEMENT BAR TO MAKE THE INITIATORY CHALLENGE EASIER . . . _FOR OTHER GIRLS._  That's because they're playing by Swingset rules, which mandate that everyone strive for consensus and equality, and not by Sandbox rules that mandate that everyone be judged by their individual achievements and their individual contributions to the group.  So when that first girl comes in, after she's been around for a while and you just start to forget she's there, she'll often suggest that next time you change the challenge criteria to make it "easier", "simpler", and "more fun and fair for everyone". [http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RYxN19cULEE/UD_Ms-__bDI/AAAAAAAABu8/E8QPMa0FnaM/s1600/menworking.JPG] And boys naturally resent that, because the point is that the Sandbox isn't supposed to be easy, simple, fair or fun for everyone.  IT'S SERIOUS BUSINESS WHERE BOYS ARE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER, AND THE HARDER THE COMPETITION THE GREATER THE RESPECT AND GLORY TO THE BOY WHO WINS.  Setting the bar lower just means giving up an individual achievement in favor of consensus and "fun".  And before you know it, another girl is in the Sandbox.  And that's when the trouble really starts. A single woman alters the group dynamic of a previously all-male Sandbox. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-__IUZwF-wDY/UD_R3IM1woI/AAAAAAAABwI/zNnVc5m1k84/s1600/girls.JPG] TWO women _destroy it utterly._ Why?  BECAUSE IT ONLY TAKES _TWO WOMEN_ TO FORM A NODE OF THE FEMALE SOCIAL MATRIX.  Two girls in the Sandbox are almost _always_ going to agree with each other over the boys, regardless of the issue.  Women turn to each other for support and inspiration when things get tough, whereas men tend to buckle down or fold -- _by themselves_.  While that sounds like a VERY GOOD THING to those allergic to honest competition, the fact is that DE-EMPHASIZING ACHIEVEMENT IN FAVOR OF SIMPLE AFFILIATION IS _DISASTER_ FOR HOW THE SANDBOX WORKS.   [http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FT5D3OQkNjk/UD_RTa1CSdI/AAAAAAAABwA/u7NKQTB63F8/s1600/6687762183_e881118a96_m.jpg]Two intractable figures within the group who always agree with each other and almost always suggest alternatives to leadership's dictates (because offering "helpful suggestions" to the group leadership is prized on the Swingset, but despised in the Sandbox) become a serious problem -- especially when they start using their micro-consensus as a point of leverage to change the direction of the group. More Swingset stuff, because over there the focus isn't being the Alpha Female and leading -- no one really wants that, because of the danger it attracts -- IT'S TO BE ABLE TO INFLUENCE THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP WHILE AVOIDING PERSONAL RISKS TO POSITION, WITHOUT _APPEARING_ TO. So when there is a two-girl FSM node in the middle of the Sandbox stubbornly insisting that the group listen to their direction and suggestions, not those of the designated-and-vetted AMOG, then it's rightly seen as a challenge to their loyalty to the group, their willingness to submit to group leadership in exchange for their respect, and their willingness to put aside their personal issues and sense of independence in order to further the goals of the group.  And that's how the group dynamic of the Sandbox gets screwed up.  Because with two women, it isn't an all-male Sandbox anymore, it's a piece of the Swingset that has gotten out of control. [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JaifnR_-As8/UD_Unm9YUBI/AAAAAAAABxQ/8NT2Lxw-4jw/s1600/images+(37).jpg] That is, the male/female dynamic often overwhelms the ability of the leadership to handle it.  That's because THE LEADERSHIP WAS DEVELOPED UNDER THE SANDBOX RULES WITH A MISSION IN MIND, AND THE SWINGSET ISN'T _MISSION_-DRIVEN -- IT'S _PROCESS _DRIVEN.  When you start trying to promote the process over the mission, you dilute the commitment and the determination of the entire group to achieve. The point isn't to make sure everyone has a good time or has a fair chance -- the point is to build the bridge, win the war, get to the top of the mountain, beat the record, win the championship, that is, to actually _achieve _something. Making the entry challenge and conditions easier might actually _be_ "more fun and more fair", even for the boys -- _but you don't get the bridge built._  With two or more girls in the mix, you can bet that they will make a scene about how the bridge is getting built and not let anyone get anything done until _their_ concerns are met, they've been listened to, their opinions have been debated and discussed, and a decision that they approve of has been made. That's also why men, when confronted with the invasion of all-male space by women, often retreat and re-form their group instead of trying to contend with "equalizing" the Sandbox.  They want a group dynamic where achievement, not consensus and affiliation, are important.  They want to get the bridge built, not have fun -- building the bridge IS the fun.  Socializing along the way is often a pointless indulgence of lower-status Betas and Gammas, so making things "easier and more fun" (more feminine) is anathema to the all-male power structure. It's not that men "fear" women invading their spaces because they want to keep them exclusive just for the sake of exclusivity -- that's a female thing -- they want to keep them exclusive because including women into the group dynamic often, if not always, deters the group from its stated mission.  You just can't build a sandcastle at the Swingset, you have to do it at the Sandbox...so if you want a sandcastle, you need to follow the Sandbox rules. Consider Badger's observations of how the Swingset operates: _"immediate superficial acceptance, followed by an undercurrent of obfuscated and passive-aggressive challenges from the inside"._  That is, the New Girl will be enthusiastically invited to take the last swing . . . and then be immediately bullied by the other girls through subtle and snide comments, secrets between the original group, and used as a pawn between the power centers of the consensus. When you bring that obfuscatory impulse and passive-aggressive behavior into the usually straight-forward Sandbox, Ladies, you are essentially taking a nasty dump right in the middle of everything the boys have been working on.  It's the moral equivalent of having a man show up to an all-girl group and start ordering everyone around.  Or inviting a boy to give you a push on the swingset, only to have him push you off suddenly and painfully. ------------------------- Archived from https://theredarchive.com/blog/The-Red-Pill-Room/the-male-social-matrix-back-to-the-sandbox.7813