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Oftentimes guys wonder on askTRP about examples of Red Pill movies or characters. Modern media is virtually devoid of conventional masculinity, but it was taken for granted in many post-WWII films. I often point to anything starring Marlon Brando, widely considered one of the greatest actors who ever lived, and a true Alpha both on and off screen. With his brooding good looks and effortless charisma - Richard Pryor called him "the most charming motherfucker you ever met" - Brando bedded many of the most famous actresses of his day.

One of those women was Rita Moreno, whose account of her affair with him provides a fantastic Red Pill example of an Alpha Widow. Even as an elderly woman, she still pines for the excitement that Brando gave her. Take a look at this recent interview (as painful as it is to watch a women's talk show) and listen when the topic of her late husband of 45 years comes up at the 4:45 mark. In a flat tone, she speaks about him matter-of-factually as "a nice Jewish doctor." Less than 30 seconds are spent going over the details of his life before the conversation pivots to Marlon Brando.

The moment the interviewer mentions Brando's name, Moreno is stunned into silence and momentarily stumbles over her words. She then spends almost five minutes excitedly recounting her affair with Brando - "the king of everything" and "one of the most sexual men on Earth." Naturally she tried to lock him down, and of course Brando rebuffed her. Nevertheless, she continued giving her prime years to Brando until, right on cue, she settled for Beta provider Leonard Gordon, the nice Jewish doctor, in her mid-30s. In a later interview, Moreno described the marriage as very unhappy and even seemed to express relief when he died.

“I was going insane,” she admits. ”It was horrific because no one else had a clue. I played a role for a very, very long time.” When Gordon died three years ago, she finally found her freedom. “It was an astonishing discovery,” she says. “After all the years of supervision I can do whatever I want. It was a very long time to be that unhappy.”

I submit to readers that this is a very common situation for women who remain married to Betas. Red Pill skeptics often point out that the divorce rate actually isn't so high these days, which is true. But for many women, marriage doesn't end in a contentious courtroom battle. Instead it continues as a silent struggle. My mom once told me that of all her friends who remained married, most wished they could leave their husbands, but didn't go through with it for family or financial reasons. Maybe that's admirable on some level, but who wants to be the guy in that sham of a marriage?

When Moreno mentions "supervision," we can take that to mean that her husband was extremely insecure and jealous. All those years of mate guarding - and for what? So his wife could secretly long for his death? Even if you win at the Blue Pill game, you still lose in the end.

Not long ago someone pondered on this forum whether women ever get over being Alpha widowed, or if they always live to regret settling for the Beta. To that, I leave you with this recent gem from Moreno, who turned 87 last year:

A black-and-white photo of Brando in his prime is displayed in Moreno’s bedroom, along with photos of Gordon, who died in 2010. Moreno refers to Gordon as the “love” of her life and to Brando as the “lust” of her life.


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[–]ozenmacher105 points106 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

And Marlon Brando, the top alpha male of Hollywood? Divorced three times...

Just in case anyone was wondering about getting married in modern day society.

If anything, this story, like many others, is women live in their own fantasy. Lust and fantasies can only last so long. Women were always like this, but modern society exacerbates and even rewards this type of behavior. The best option for any man? Live his own life, on his own terms. What women want, think, or desire is immaterial. Play the game and win. Get that stuck in your head, and you can become your own Brando.

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] 52 points53 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Divorced three times...

Well he also cheated on every woman he was ever with, that might have had something to do with it.

[–]Bing_Bang_Bam10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He also fucked a lot of dudes. Richard Pryor and a whole shitload of others. Great actor though.

[–]ozenmacher21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah...and the women who pined for him the most? The one he never married, and possibly the one who he never really gave a shit about what she wanted. I don't know, I am not a Brando historian... The point I was making (and seemingly the point of your post) still stands. Live your own life on your own terms and know how to play the game.

[–]TruthSeekingPerson4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can any of those women honestly say they thought that would never happen?

[–]wildtimes32 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like saying he “cheated” assumes he was faithful for at least 24 hrs. Prob not.

He had it all. After slaying as much movie star groupie pussy as he desired, he stopped lifting and ate too much.

[–]civilizedfrog32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"He didn't lay down the rules. He didn't say anything!"- Rita Moreno on Marlon Brando

Meanwhile betas are laying down rules that only they follow while their women openly break those rules and get forgiven a zillion times.

[–]Truedemocracy4 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Betas don’t lay down the rules. Women do either explicitly or implied and betas follow for a pat on the head and once a month missionary sex

[–]Truedemocracy4 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also look at her rationalizing this marriage as her being a victim. Pretty god damn sickening

If you decide to go the marriage route (only reason to in my opinion is for kids) then make sure you are the best woman your man has ever had. Both physically, and from a personality standpoint. This becomes difficult the higher a woman’s N count so you can never know for sure, but I can’t imagine being married to someone who views you as a settle

[–]2kez8825 points26 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You realise Richard Pryor called him the most charming man he ever met because they used to suck each others dicks right? look it up lol

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually think the fact that Brando could fool around with men (which everyone knew about) and not lose an ounce of Alpha credibility speaks to his power and dominance.

[–]throwlaca11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alpha has little to do with you being hetero. There are huge gay alpha males.

[–]3chazthundergut68 points69 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Brando and Pryor have probably fucked more women between the two of them than the entire TRP combined.

They can suck a dick or two without losing any street credit

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a documentary on Pryor called “Omit The Logic”. He had a fucked up life from the beginning. He basically grew up in a brothel run by his grandma. His dad used to bang girls he liked, and pregged up a woman that the teenage Pryor was in love with. Quelle fucked up.

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is so inspirational as someone who is 5'9. Marlon Brando isn't 6'3 like Chris Hemsworth. He is 5'9. Yet he was still a stud. This makes my night!

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So Brando, Jack Nicholson and Warren Beatty all used to live on the same street, which they dubbed “Bad Boy Row”. Nicholson should also inspire you as he is 5’9 and change. Beatty OTOH is 6’1”. A lot of male actors are actually quite short, compared to what you would think.

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought Jack was taller. Who knew?

Basically this means ya can't let average height hold ya back from sexual happiness.

[–]Cavannah1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...well that’s some news I never expected to hear, let alone have it be true

[–]NoFaithInThisSub 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Give'm a deal they cain't refuse" - Marlon Brando

[–]kfd_capital16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Give them the dick they cant refuse

[–]PortfolioAnalysis8 points9 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

This is what nice bone structure gets you.

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] 23 points24 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

this is what nice bone structure gets you.

That really isn't the point of this essay.

Yeah Brando had Looks, but he also worked hard at honing Game. After he died they found journals filled with extensive notes on his many sexual conquests. I should really do a whole separate post on Brando because he practiced PUA long before PUA ever existed.

[–]throwlaca5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't think he needed PUA with his good looks and sky-high SMV. ITs like Brad Pitt being a PUA, it just dont make sense.

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Watch the video. Rita basically trashes Elvis as a total Beta. She strongly implies that she only fucked him to make Marlon jealous. Incidentally Brad Pitt is also a terminal Beta with a long history of fucked up relationships. You always need Game.

[–]throwlaca6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly I wouldn't believe anything a bitch says. It might be that she really wanted Elvis and now she want to trash his reputation. Women do this all the time.

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubt it. Clearly she wanted to provoke an emotional reaction from Brando and she succeeded. There's nothing to suggest she really wanted Elvis, a known Beta male.

[–]TRP_MushaShugyo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey I’ve been looking around for the journals you’re talking about and am not able to find them. I’d be very interested in reading them- can you provide any links? Really interested in his notes on this stuff.

[–]Psychological_Radish[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were mentioned in a book written about Brando after his death. I don't remember the name of it, unfortunately.

[–]TrolsMan26 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't be in this subreddit

[–]the_green_grundle13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s exactly who should be in this subreddit, just not getting upvoted.

[–]tyronethejabrone3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude how does this comment have 15 upvotes

[–]ZodiacTurtle 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Mate, Check out mewing when you get the time (especially the “orthotropics” YouTube channel), it could help you out

[–]PortfolioAnalysis-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Stop with mewing bullshit cope.

[–]ZodiacTurtle 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

In essence it’s just advocating proper oral posture (which everyone needs anyway), it’s no different than working towards normal general posture and just as bad posture can affect bone growth, having bad oral posture can affect facial structure. Learning proper posture can fix shit face structure such as a weak chin and non existant cheek bones (as long as you’re young enough) and prevent further facial structure degradation that came from mouth breathing and the likes.

[–]PortfolioAnalysis-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It only works for kids and teens. Mewing in adults is cope. It can’t fix shit in adults.

[–]ZodiacTurtle3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

There’s some evidence for beneficial effects in adults albeit limited depending on how old you are. I’m only seventeen so of course I’m putting quite a bit of effort in now since facial structure is less malleable the older you get, but as I was saying, it’s still worth it to “mew” (read as: have proper oral posture) because it will at the very least stop your face from getting worse (there is substantial evidence that bad oral posture makes your bone structure even worse with age, namely stroke victims who lost the use of certain muscles in one side of their face and as a result have, over time, had the bones in that side of their face become distorted)

[–]recursoinominado0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Such a shitty oversimplification. What about TRP concepts about being alpha, being attractive, framing control, social proof, core confidence, IDGF and abundance mentality? Do you think you have some game on you? Now imagine a guy like Marlon Brandon, how strong his frame was? I bet he could fuck you if he wants too and it has little or nothing with his "bone structure".

[–]PortfolioAnalysis-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of that is bullshit. BONES got Marlo where he was.

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Marlon Brando is 5'9. I am 5'9. Was having doubts about my ability to be as "alpha" as the guys over 6 foot. Since Tinder exists. And the most basic bitch THOTS demand a man over 6 foot. But...maybe I too, CAN be alpha and be a stud at 5'9! There is hope! This one goes out to all my fellow under 6 footers.

[–]iloveturks14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’d say it’s your pussy attitude that lets you down far more than your height

[–]AnAmericanTrollinWA-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd say it's the depression combined with OCD and anxiety that fucks me up more than the height. I'm tall enough. Only dumb hoes think average height is short.

[–]Sumsar012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop whining it's a cope. Sleep more and increase smv. It will help both depression, OCD and anxiety.

[–]Atheist_Utopia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fix your attitude first lol

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