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[Promiscuity and Infidelity]

In illustration of this, the odds ratio of 1.13 for lifetime sexual partners obtained with the face-to-face mode of interview indicates that the probability of infidelity increased by 13% for every additional lifetime sexual partner, screenshot

we evaluated the association between infidelity and sexual experience, as prior studies have found that people with more sexual relationships in the past are more likely to have secondary sex partners (Bozon, 1996).

Regarding the correlates of infidelity, results indicated that on the basis of both methods of assessment, the probability of sexual infidelity (a) was greater for Blacks (relative to the remainder of the sample), (b) decreased with higher religiosity, (c) increased with higher number of lifetime sexual partners

Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Mark A. Whisman, Douglas K. Snyder J Fam Psychol. 2007 Jun; 21(2): 147–154. doi: 10.1037/0893-3200.21.2.147 From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/17605537/citedby/?tool=pubmed

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Our findings demonstrate that infidelity and number of sexual partners are both under moderate genetic influence (41% and 38% heritable, respectively) and the genetic correlation between these two traits is strong (47%).

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Not surprisingly, the average number of sexual partners was significantly higher among respondents who had been unfaithful compared with those who had remained faithful (7.73 vs. 3.78, p < .001). The phenotypic correlation between these traits was .36 (p < .001).

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The resulting genetic correlation between the two traits was .47, so nearly half the genes impacting on infidelity also affect number of sexual partners. The correlation of the unique environment between the two variables was .48.

Genetic influences on female infidelity and number of sexual partners in humans: a linkage and association study of the role of the vasopressin receptor gene (AVPR1A). Lynn F. Cherkas, Elizabeth C. Oelsner, Y. T. Mak, Anna Valdes, Tim D. Spector Twin Res. 2004 Dec; 7(6): 649–658. doi: 10.1375/1369052042663922 From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/15607016/citedby/?tool=pubmed

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In a world where infidelity and promiscuity are increasingly experienced (Brand et al. 2007, Jones and Paulhus 2012), few studies have focused on their emotional and sexual domains. The infidelity and the promiscuity can have an important impact on individuals and on intimate relationships (Silva et al. n.d., Vangelisti and Gerstenberger 2004). For example, the infidelity is one of the most common reasons for divorce and couple therapy (Glass and Wright 1992). In addition, promiscuity is known to have a negative effect on healthy living (Okafor and Duru 2010).

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Some authors defend that infidelity may come as a consequence of promiscuity, and that frequently both concepts go side by side (Feldman and Cauffman 1999, Mark et al. 2011). Promiscuity can be understood as the willingness to engage in sexual activities with several partners, have casual sex and get involved in sexual activities sooner rather than later (Jones and Paulhus 2012)

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Feldman and Cauffman (1999) analyzed a sample of 417 college students and found that individuals that show permissive behaviors, associated with increased number of sexual partners are more prone to engage in infidelity. Similarly, Barta and Kiene (2005) conducted a study with 432 college students, 120 of whom mentioned past infidelity behaviors. Their results showed that those who have an unrestricted sociosexual orientation tend to report a sexual motive for being unfaithful.

Sexual promiscuity was significantly positively correlated with emotional promiscuity [r(356) = .261, p < .001], as well with sexual infidelity [r(323) = .595, p < .001] and emotional infidelity [r(323) = .676, p < .001], indicating that sexually promiscuous participants also tend to be emotionally promiscuous, and sexual[ly] and emotional[ly] unfaithful.

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In terms of the sexual domain, results showed that there is also a positive correlation between sexual promiscuity and sexual infidelity, stating that individuals that tend to be more sexually promiscuous also tend to be more sexually unfaithful. These results support our second hypothesis.

Pinto, R., & Arantes, J. (2016). The relationship between sexual and emotional promiscuity and infidelity. ATINER’S Conference Paper Series, No. PSY2016–2087, Athens, Greece.

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Bonus Round: Female Infidelity Based on Number of Premarital Sex Partners -- Statistics Brain

  • Number of pre-marital partners: percent who cheated once married

  • 2: 10.4%

  • 3: 14.9%

  • 4: 17.7%

  • 5: 21.6%

  • 6-10: 26.0%

  • 11-20: 36.7%

  • 21+: 46.8%

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[Unrestricted SOI and infidelity]

Sociosexual orientation, or sociosexuality, is the individual difference in the willingness to engage in sexual activity outside of a committed relationship. Individuals with a more restricted sociosexual orientation are less willing to engage in casual sex; they prefer greater love, commitment and emotional closeness before having sex with romantic partners. Individuals who have a more unrestrictedsociosexual orientation are more willing to have casual sex and are more comfortable engaging in sex without love, commitment or closeness

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociosexual_orientation

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The genetic theory hypothesizes that female sociosexual variation reflects women's "decisions" regarding how much commitment to trade for genetic quality. Women who value commitment much more than male quality have a restricted sociosexual orientation, and women with opposite preferences have an unrestricted orientation. This variation has been hypothesized to be maintained by frequency- dependent selection (Gangestad & Simpson, 1990).

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approximately half of the men and women in the top (withinsex) quintiles of sociosexuality had been sexually unfaithful to a steady partner; this was more than a tenfold increase over the corresponding rate for people in the bottom quintiles. Sexual infidelity is a common cause of divorce cross-culturally (Buss, 1994)

Do individual differences in sociosexuality represent genetic or environmentally contingent strategies? Evidence from the Australian twin registry. J. M. Bailey, K. M. Kirk, G. Zhu, M. P. Dunne, N. G. Martin J Pers Soc Psychol. 2000 Mar; 78(3): 537–545. From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/10743879/citedby/?tool=pubmed

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Individuals exhibiting sexually permissive attitudes and those who have had a high number of past sexual relationships are more likely to engage in infidelity (Feldman & Cauffman, 1999). In a study of supposedly exclusive dating couples, it was found that individuals exhibiting an ‘unrestricted’ sociosexual orientation (SO) were significantly more likely to pursue extra-pair involvement (Seal, Agostinelli, & Hannett, 1994). Individuals are said to be unrestricted if they score high on the Sociosexual Orientation Index (SOI). Items on this scale include a question tapping whether the respondent feels that love is a prerequisite for sexual relations with a partner, the number of ‘one-night stands’ a respondent has had, and how many partners he or she hopes to have in the next year (Simpson & Gangestad, 1991).

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A preliminary ANOVA analysis revealed that individuals reporting a past history of infidelity tended to have a greater number of past sexual partners than those without a history of infidelity

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individuals with a history of infidelity, compared with those without, have a relatively unrestricted SO.

Barta, W. D., & Kiene, S. M. (2005). Motivations for infidelity in heterosexual dating couples: The roles of gender, personality differences, and sociosexual orientation. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 22(3), 339-360. http://dx.doi.org/10.1177/0265407505052440 From http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2005-07434-003

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Individuals with an unrestricted sociosexual orientation (SO) are less committed to their romantic relationships and more likely to engage in infidelity

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BECAUSE OF THE PREVALENCE and consequences of infidelity (e.g., Vangelisti & Gerstenberger, 2004; Weiderman, 1997), being able to predict extradyadic behavior is important. One known predictor is sociosexual orientation (SO). SO is an individual difference that reflects one’s beliefs and behaviors toward sex and is measured on a continuum ranging from restricted to unrestricted (Simpson & Gangestad, 1991). Those with a restricted SO prefer to engage in sexual behaviors within the context of a close and committed romantic relationship, whereas those with an unrestricted SO do not need a committed relationship in order to have sex. Not surprisingly, an unrestricted SO has been associated with a greater willingness to engage in infidelity when using either self-report (Barta & Kiene, 2005; Ostovich & Sabini, 2004) or behavioral measures (Seal, Agostinelli, & Hannett, 1994). Previous studies have shown that those with an unrestricted SO are generally less committed to their romantic partners (Jones 1998; Simpson & Gangestad, 1991), and low commitment is often a predictor of infidelity (Drigotas, Safstrom, & Gentilia, 1999). Similarly, those with an unrestricted SO are often looking for new, attractive partners (Simpson, Wilson, & Winterheld, 2004).

Thus, it was predicted that SO would be positively related to various types of infidelity, such that individuals with an unrestricted SO would be more likely to engage in the three types of infidelity previously identified by Wilson, Mattingly, Clark, Weidler, and Bequette (2011); Ambigous (e.g., dancing with an extradyadic partner), Deceptive (e.g., lying to one’s partner), and Explicit (e.g., sexual intercourse with an extradyadic partner). Further, this relationship was predicted to be mediated by commitment, such that individuals with an unrestricted SO would have lower commitment, which would in turn lead to an increased likelihood of engaging in infidelity.

Sociosexual orientation, commitment, and infidelity: a mediation analysis. Brent A. Mattingly, Eddie M. Clark, Daniel J. Weidler, Melinda Bullock, Jana Hackathorn, Katheryn Blankmeyer J Soc Psychol. 2011 May-Jun; 151(3): 222–226. From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/21675178/citedby/?tool=pubmed

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one plausible explanation is that humans actually consist of a mix of short-term (promiscuous) and long-term (monogamous) mating phenotypes. The extent to which any one individual pursues a short- term mating strategy (‘unrestricted’ strategy involving promiscuous mating with multiple partners) or a long-term mating strategy (‘restricted’ strategy favouring the formation of exclusive and extended pair- bonds) has been referred to as their ‘sociosexual orientation’

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We tested the hypothesis that there are distinct mating strategy phenotypes in both men and women using two large datasets: a North American and British sample of 595 individuals who completed the sociosexual orientation inventory (SOI-R) [13] and a British sample of 1314 individuals whose 2D : 4D digit ratios were measured. The SOI-R indexes an individual’s psychological degree of sexual promiscuity on a continuum running from restricted (monogamous) to unrestricted (promiscuous).

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Modelling confirmed the existence of two phenotypes within each sex, one of low (restricted) sociosexuality and the other of high (unrestricted) sociosexuality. High-sociosexuality males make up a slightly larger proportion of the male distribution in each case, and low-sociosexuality females make up a slightly larger proportion of the female distributions (table 1).

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Overall, our results suggest that the proportional split in males slightly favours an unrestricted (short- term) mating strategy, with a 57 : 43 split on average for the three datasets, whereas females have a reversed split (47 : 53). However, the mixing proportions in the 2D : 4D digit ratio dataset suggest that a slightly higher proportion of the unrestricted phenotype is present in both sexes (males approx. 62%, females approx. 50%).

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If the two phenotypes essentially represent stable and unstable pair-bonding predispositions (see Walum et al. [11]), we might expect there to be some tendency for assortative mating between the phenotypes. We might also predict that stable–stable pairings are less likely to divorce than other pairings, with unstable–unstable pairings having the shortest durations. The existence of two phenotypes raises a number of further evolutionary questions.

Previous research has found that female sociosexuality is more responsive to environmental shifts than male sociosexuality [4,22], and our data confirm this: while both sexes exhibit a shift (towards a restricted strategy in males, but towards unrestricted in females), the magnitude of the shift is larger in women than in men. While there is strong evidence that additive genetic factors best predict adult sociosexuality [23], differences in behaviour are in part likely to reflect cultural or environmental fine tuning of underlying genetic strategies in response to local circumstances as each sex tries to maximize overall fitness.

Wlodarski R, Manning J, Dunbar RIM. 2015 Stay or stray? Evidence for alternative mating strategy phenotypes in both men and women. Biol. Lett. 11: 20140977. http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rsbl.2014.0977

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[Promiscuity and Divorce]

Women with 0-1 partners were the least likely to divorce.

Women with 10 or more partners were the most likely to divorce .

those with fewer sex partners were less likely to divorce. However, there are considerable differences by marriage cohort. For all three cohorts, women who married as virgins had the lowest divorce rates by far. Eleven percent of virgin marriages (on the part of the woman, at least) in the 1980s dissolved within five years. This number fell to 8 percent in the 1990s, then fell again to 6 percent in the 2000s. For all three decades, the women with the second lowest five-year divorce rates are those who had only one partner prior to marriage. It’s reasonable to assume that these partners reflected women’s eventual husbands.

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The highest five-year divorce rates of all are associated with marrying in the 2000s and having ten or more premarital sex partners: 33 percent.

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2000s: Results are hazard ratios indicating increased odds of divorce compared to reference category of 0 partners (total abstinence before marriage).

  • 0: --
  • 1: 2.54
  • 2: 4.05
  • 3: 3.5
  • 4-5: 3.18
  • 6-9: 3.22
  • 10+: 4.25

From <https://ifstudies.org/blog/counterintuitive-trends-in-the-link-between-premarital-sex-and- marital-stability>

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  • <30% of marriages stable for women with 5+ non-marital sexual partners

  • Women were defined as having a stable marriage if they were currently married and had been in that same marriage for at least five years. Women who had more non-marital sex partners were less likely to have stable marriages.

Rector, R. E., Johnson, K. A., Noyes, L. R., & Martin, S. (2003). The harmful effects of early sexual activity and multiple sexual partners among women: A book of charts. Washington: The Heritage Foundation.

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One twin study looking at a number of scaled sociosexual behaviors found a similar heritability for number of sexual partners in male and female twins (Bailey et al., 2000); another study showed divorce to be approximately 50% heritable among women (Jockin et al., 1996).

Genetic influences on female infidelity and number of sexual partners in humans: a linkage and association study of the role of the vasopressin receptor gene (AVPR1A). Lynn F. Cherkas, Elizabeth C. Oelsner, Y. T. Mak, Anna Valdes, Tim D. Spector Twin Res. 2004 Dec; 7(6): 649–658. doi: 10.1375/1369052042663922 From https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/15607016/citedby/?tool=pubmed

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premarital relationships with other men are associated with a substantial increase in the likelihood of divorce.

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an intimate premarital relationship with someone other than one’s marital partner may indicate increased risk to subsequent marital disruption. Multiple premarital sexual partners may indicate less commitment to the idea of a permanent relationship with one individual. Multiple sexual partners may also weaken the marital bond by heightening awareness of alternatives to one’s marital partner as sources of sexual intimacy and fulfillment. Similar to the case for premarital sex, multiple coresidential unions prior to marriage may indicate a range of personal attitudes and beliefs that might undermine the stability of unions

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However, either premarital cohabitation or sex that occurs with someone other than one’s spouse is expected to be related to an increased risk of marital dissolution. These individuals are either selected on characteristics that increase the risk of divorce or their experiences with disrupted unions lead to destabilizing influences on marriage.

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The effects for premarital sex in Model 2 indicate that it is only women whose first sex was with someone other than her husband who experience an increased risk of marital disruption (114%). The results in Model 3, which includes the effects of both premarital cohabitation and premarital sex (compared with women who did not cohabit before marriage and did not engage in premarital sex), show that the risk of marital dissolution is higher when the woman cohabited twice (by about 28%) and when her first sex was with someone other than her husband (by about 109%). Combining premarital cohabitation and premarital sex in the same model reduces the effect of having cohabited solely with one’s husband to nonsignificance. This pattern results because women who cohabited with their husband only are more likely than women who did not cohabit before marriage to have had first sex with someone other than their husband (73% vs. 41%; data not shown). That is, for these women, it is not the fact that they cohabited before marriage that is important for marital dissolution; it is the fact that they had at least one other sexually intimate relationship prior to marrying.

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having at least one other intimate relationship prior to marriage is linked to an increased risk of divorce (from 53% to 166%). There is a substantially higher risk of marital dissolution if the woman both had sex with another man and cohabited with him (166% vs. 53%– 119% for other patterns of premarital relationships involving someone other than one’s husband, a difference that is statistically significant). That is, there is an interaction between having multiple premarital sexual partners and cohabiting multiple times.

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women who have more than one intimate premarital relationship who have an elevated risk of marital disruption. This effect is strongest for women who have multiple premarital coresidental unions

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women with more than one intimate relationship prior to marriage have an elevated risk of marital disruption.

Teachman, J. (2003). Premarital Sex, Premarital Cohabitation, and the Risk of Subsequent Marital Dissolution among Women. Journal of Marriage and Family, 65(2), 444-455. Retrieved from http://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089 From https://www.jstor.org/stable/3600089?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents


[–]JTRonald14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am really surprised by the response here. This is not even just about N count here, but a range of factor that relate to:

-what is one’s attitude toward sex as a natural preference.(temperament + how they grew up)

-how multiple partner/cohabitation decrease the “stickability” of a relationship.(Discernment + accumulation of decision good or bad)

-how environnement may change and shift a woman preferred strategy in a greater propension than men.(“sociodetermism”?? Healthy people meet healthy people grow around healthy kid = more likelihood of replicating good pattern than not, inversely broken people hang out with broken people and only meet and connect with people like them)

Obviously there is lot of blind spot as a lot of religious people/virgin tend to be in environnement that may shun or strongly discourage any kind of divorce more strongly(so we don’t get the full picture about “satisfaction”)(but also have a lot of unsatisfying marriage from former “promiscuous” people trying to shift their strategies around)

So think carefully the next time someone comes here and say, I took a billion dick can I become redpill now? The answer from her own temperament, attitude, and belief system is probably a reasoning no, and success may even still be failure as the shift could become to drastic and unbearable anyway.

So.. there is a lot to extract extrapolating from the data in my opinion.

As a personal observation I have noticed that woman that tend to have a secure attachement style, naturally committed, and comes from healthy family structure, disappear quite quickly from the market so they never really even have to learn the redpill as their temperament follow the rules more or less and they don’t need to discover or be “persuaded” to get there.

And a lot of woman that are not like this, may try to learn, “rewrite” themselves to fit an apparently preferable strategy, but will always be eluded by their own compulsion and preference.

Obviously this a big gray area as human being are quite a big more complicated than that, but that’s the general pattern.

[–]Pola_Lita3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So think carefully the next time someone comes here and say, I took a billion dick can I become redpill now?

No one has ever said this but the focus of your "humor" makes me wonder how objective you're capable of being.

And a lot of woman that are not like this, may try to learn, “rewrite” themselves to fit an apparently preferable strategy, but will always be eluded by their own compulsion and preference.

Rather than compulsion and preference, consider independence, options, intelligence and preference. And not just for women who come from "unhealthy" situations or are "not like this", but for women in general. Because that's become a very common life situation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So think carefully the next time someone comes here and say, I took a billion dick can I become redpill now? The answer from her own temperament, attitude, and belief system is probably a reasoning no, and success may even still be failure as the shift could become to drastic and unbearable anyway.

This is a failure in your understanding of the red pill IMO. It is supposed to be a way of looking at the world, not a movement or a type of person. On the RPW sidebar it says:

We come from all different walks of life, so on RPW you will find harmonious and productive discussions between very religious traditional conservative women and hardcore BDSM submissives and everyone in between. What we all share is not a lifestyle, a set of values, or a worldview, but a way of relating to men.

So anyone can learn to interact with their partner better. How much any person is capable of "rewriting themselves" has more to do with the individual and their willingness to do the work.

Also, we can point to plenty of things that lead to unhappy marriage because once people are out of the marriage they talk about it. It's fairly rare to hear people talk about what makes their marriage happy. And I'd venture to say that a happily married couple isn't talking a whole lot about their past escapades so you likely have little idea what they looked like as individuals prior to the marriage.

As a personal observation I have noticed that woman that tend to have a secure attachement style, naturally committed, and comes from healthy family structure, disappear quite quickly from the market so they never really even have to learn the redpill as their temperament follow the rules more or less and they don’t need to discover or be “persuaded” to get there.

And men who are naturally good looking and social tend to interact with enough women that they figure out female nature and how to play the game so don't need TRP. By this logic neither sub has a purpose. It's not that I disagree with what you are saying. The point though is that the subs aren't here to celebrate people who have it all figured out rather to help the people that have stumbled along the way. This is why we say they are self improvement subs at their core.

[–]JTRonald2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this comment and putting the time to give a constructive answer.

This is a failure in your understanding of the red pill IMO. It is supposed to be a way of looking at the world, not a movement or a type of person.

But as a "way of looking at the world" it's not just a theorical abstract, but something you try to implement in your actual life, which is why i point out, in relation to the information presented to in this thread, the possible pitfall of the "conversion"(even if RPW claim, that it's not related to a lifestyle, value or any kind of movement, How does relating to men "differently", isn't tied to those very same thing?)

So anyone can learn to interact with their partner better. How much any person is capable of "rewriting themselves" has more to do with the individual and their willingness to do the work.

No problem with this, anything i said is in relation to the studies and what you can learn, or extract out of it.

Also, we can point to plenty of things that lead to unhappy marriage because once people are out of the marriage they talk about it. It's fairly rare to hear people talk about what makes their marriage happy. And I'd venture to say that a happily married couple isn't talking a whole lot about their past escapades so you likely have little idea what they looked like as individuals prior to the marriage.

True, but in either case the picture is still incomplete, because for how long of a marriage are we talking about here? People can boast about their super marriage for 2-4-10 years and then suddenly backtrack everything they said when the whole thing collapse. And satisfaction was just a point i brought as a missing part of the data here.

And men who are naturally good looking and social tend to interact with enough women that they figure out female nature and how to play the game so don't need TRP. By this logic neither sub has a purpose.

Well nothing is perfect, it's just that by observation a lot of "self-help" groups of any kind may attract the very same people that struggle the most with the desired results and may be eluded by factors that go beyond just "learning the information and applying it". It's just a blind spot, a gray area, some people can some can't. I am not discarding the value of the RPW in anyway, otherwise i would not read and interact with what i see here. I am just responding to the content, and putting it in relationship with the sub we are in.

[–]NixieNik997 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So what's the end game with this science technically ? Can't push women into undesirable relationships with men for long term . Each individual must take personal responsibility of themselves and what actions they endeavor on .

[–]cinnamon10335 points36 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

And now? Science can say a lot. I think the problem isnt the mechanical fact that there are women and men with high partner count but that there are too many people, who dont see marriage as a psychological, spiritual and religious relationship.

If you believe that the sacred marriage reflects Gods creation, you live a different life.

I think its a cultural problem. Im sorry for all the people, who cant see the true value of marriage.

[–]AnnaAerials1 Star14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely, but remember God designed marriage for all men and women, not just believers. Non believers can still have somewhat stable marriages, as that is in God’s design

[–]cinnamon1033 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are right. I think non-believers can have great marriages. What I want to say is that women are not more or less likely to get a divorce because of their sexual past but because of their conditioned mindset.

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Their pasts are downstream of their mindsets.

[–]CeruleanRabbit13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This doesn’t look like good science.

I’m not pro promiscuity or anything, but the conclusions look far fetched and like bad stats.

[–]AnnaAerials1 Star7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’ve seen it justified in more physiological terms; higher n-counts = higher neuroticism trait = unhappier in a relationship = higher level of unfaithfulness. Jordan Peterson explains some of these concepts and personality traits that I think weigh very heavily and effect the numbers in the statistics above. See: the big 5 aspects scale

[–]CeruleanRabbit10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m familiar with the theories. It’s not so much the pop psychology theory I take issue with, it’s that it looks like loosey goosey stats are being manipulated to yield results rather than scientific conclusions are being drawn from data according to proper statistical practice.

This doesn’t look peer reviewed. Just at first glance it’s got red flags all over it. Correlation vs causation, etc.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d recommend looking into the actual papers.

[–]Embarrassed-Draft0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's even more far fetched and even worse "science," though.

[–]Almcoding1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

First of all, thank you for all the references!

It seems to me people don't understand what this studies say and what they don't say. They "only" show a correlation between promiscuity and infidelity (which correlates with divorce). No more and no less. It doesn't mean that promiscuity leads in any case to infidelity or that virginity will prevent infidelity. It just means that with every additional sexual partner the likelihood of infidelity increases. This studies don't claim that promiscuity is the best predictor for infidelity and should therefore be seen as the main criteria for choosing a partner. They soley show a correlation between two things (Correlation and causality are to different things!) Are correlatios helpful. Yes they are although not as good as causalities.

To summarize: This studies show what the RPW already knows: Promiscuity is statistically not helpful when pursuing long-term commitment like marriage for woman and men.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact that they often accompany each other does make promiscuity a good predictor of infidelity.

[–]Almcoding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, it is a good/important predictor which should not be neglected when choosing a partner. But there are also other features which play an important role when choosing a partner

[–]Pola_Lita3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I remember something about this. It was that once = least chance of divorce, twice = higher, but 3 times = less than twice, a result that lead researchers to decide that more work needed to be done before any conclusions could be drawn? What if the cause is the rise in atheism, or a lack of willingness to tolerate detrimental situations, or an increased independence (choice) in women?

2000s: Results are hazard ratios indicating increased odds of divorce compared to reference category of 0 partners (total abstinence before marriage).

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  • 1: 2.54 <---
  • 2: 4.05 <---
  • 3: 3.5 <---
  • 4-5: 3.18
  • 6-9: 3.22
  • 10+: 4.25

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Studies like this are posted for men's benefit as they have very little to offer women.

If, as a woman, you are willing to take on the increased risk of pregnancy and STIs that come with multiple partners, you likely are also willing to take on the risk of divorce. There are plenty of good immediate reasons for a woman to be careful who and how many she is sleeping with. If you aren't doing that already more stats and probabilities won't suddenly change your mind. If you are doing that then congratulations, all this does is validate you.

If we don't know what it is about promiscuity that leads to higher infidelity and divorce, then there is no way to use this information for personal growth. For instance, if my upbringing showed me marriage is easily discarded, then getting married to my first partner at 19 isn't necessarily going to correct for my upbringing. You need to know underlying causes in order to beat the odds so to speak.

And studying infidelity in college relationships and trying to draw a larger conclusion is just ...smh

[–]Embarrassed-Draft1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It always bothers me that the assumption is that it's promiscuity that leads to (or just correlates to) higher infidelity and divorce compared to lack of promiscuity and those who hold values related to monogamy and virginity actively avoiding divorce and infidelity. Religious people are less likely to get divorced even when they absolutely should, for an oversimplified example. So far these studies have all been grasping at conclusions and I haven't yet seen a good one correct for even the most obvious variables, but it helps prop up values of some people so we all go with it blindly. I think the topic should just be avoided entirely and kept to personal values until there's, you know, meaningful research that isn't just to promote a circlejerk and pseudoevolutionary psychology that doesn't have any real backing

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right and as I said above, there are plenty of more tangible reasons for a woman to choose to keep a low partner count. I think it's ok to talk about promiscuity and whether it's "worth it" and what are potential problems versus potential gains. I don't think that these studies are the best jumping off point for those discussions though. At best it's a loose connection that there might be a problem and might not. When promiscuity means you might get divorced but might not, but an incredibly low partner count also means you might get divorced but might not you are left throwing up your hands and saying "ok and"??

[–]sometimesibritney0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure majority of RPM would prefer it be that easy to determine if a partner was faithful by the amount of dick she’s been on, but that’s just not the case. This study is bad science, as multiple have said, and lacks varying factors.

I knew a woman who married her first, her high school sweetheart, and ended up cheating. I also knew a woman who slept around a lot and is now happily married with children. Human logic has a lot of gray are and truthfully people aren’t very logically at all.

If you want to rate a woman’s value on her n-count, truth be told, you’ll miss a lot of valuable women by doing so. This is such an aged discussion and I’m over it. Incels who believe they deserve a virgin but expect her to be a goddess in bed, get over yourself.

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Fallacious reasoning. The studies only indicate that women that are promiscuous and that have an unrestricted sociosexual orientation are more like to cheat than women with restricted sociosexual orientations. They don’t claim that that it’s a certainty that promiscuous women will cheat and that a non-promiscuous women won’t.

A similar example is this: men are several times more like to commit a violent crime than women. But there are men who wouldn’t harm a fly and there are unstable women who’d gouge your eyes out at the merest provocation. My point is that these are trends. Even the figures I‘ve provided state that some women who married as virgins cheat (<10%). But nearly 50% of women with 20+ sexual partners cheat. So yes, promiscuous women are statistically more likely to cheat. Does that conclusively mean one will? No.

I suggest you take a beginner’s course in statistics and probability to get a better understanding of these things.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Removed for the attitude in the last paragraph. This isn't a discussion group for men so you better behave politely if you wish to continue to be here.

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an opinion that you are completely entitled to however as a self improvement sub for women, we do not believe anyone is beyond help.

[–]cman94elder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was stated that sensitivity to vasopressin and potentially other factors related to such, (attachment) and various other socio-phycho-economic factors contribute to N-count and infidelity or the formation of traditional nuclear families. It should also be noted that these numbers are higher across the board for African Americans and Hispanics. Breastfeeding is practiced the least to statistical significance (24% AA vs 87% White Americans). Vasopressin, oxytocin, prolactin release for both the mother and baby is directly correlated with breastfeeding - this correlates with secure bonding, parental investment and various unknown implications on off spring.

[2] Hahn-Holbrook, Jennifer; Schetter, Christine; Haselton, Michael (2013). "Breastfeeding and Maternal Mental and Physical Health". Women's Health Psychology. New Jersey: Wiley. pp. 414–439. ISBN 978-0-470-89066-0.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4842365

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6096620

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1459116

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1010179023697

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastfeeding#cite_note-184

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