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Red Pill TheorySix Stages of Branch Swinging (self.TheRedPill)

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What is branch swinging? The idea of branch swinging is that a woman will not leave a mate until another mate is secure therefore "swinging securely from one branch to another."

Most have experienced this in some form or another but most common is how women have already started dating another man within weeks or even days of a breakup.

A lot of guys are hit from left field and are completely shell shocked by the fact that their sweet unicorn (those don't exist) is now on Chad's weiner within weeks.

Break out of your blue pill Snorlaxian trance and take note of these surefire signs and symptoms of branch swinging.

1) Brief Mention

The brief mention is the first sign of branch swinging. Your LTR/SO/FWB will casually bring up a name in conversation.

Example: "Oh there's this new guy at work named Thundercock, Chad."

Chance of branch swinging: 10%. Why? Why would she even bring up a random guy from work to you if he doesn't register on her radar. Remember the 20/80 rule. He's a blip on her radar now.

Your actions: Your SMV should be relatively high at this stage in your "relationship." Laugh it off, ignore but make a mental note of the next step.

2) Casual Conversation

Casual conversation is when she brings the guy back up a 2nd time, but this time in your casual conversation with her. She may be talking about something he did to make her laugh, or something weird about this Chad.

Example: "Chad made a funny joke today, blah blah blah." or "Chad did this today, he is so weird."

Chance of branch swinging: 25%. He's more than just a blip now but a regular tone on her radar. Her interactions with him are increasing. This is where you hold on to your frame. The minute she senses jealousy or weakness, Chad becomes more enticing.

Your action: Agree and amplify. Do not show jealousy or your SMV will instantly decrease in her eyes. Hold frame. Keep a keen eye on her actions (as always).

3) Consistent Conversation / Texting

Consistent conversation is where she will continuously bring Chad's name into conversations with you. Regardless of what event transpired and what she says to you. She is testing to see your reaction to this new stimulus in her world.

Example: "Chad and I are working on this new project, what do you think?" or "Chad does this thing with girls, that is so weird, would you do that stuff?"

Chance of branch swinging: 30-40%. She is now actively testing your frame and seeing how you will react to this new, exciting stimulus in her life. He is now a consistent source of entertainment, validation, security, or whatever the hell she wants him to be, and you're not.

Your action: This is the make it or break it point. You better do things to start increasing SMV and start implementing more dread game. One small chip in your armor and the more into Chad she will be.

4) Consistent Texting / Hanging Out

She is now consistently texting Chad. You ask her what she is saying and she says they talk about work stuff and he helps her with projects and they go out to get pizza at lunch time. She says don't worry, he's just a friend. (Uh oh, read up on your red flags list)

Example: "Chad and I got pizza and beer today and lunch and worked on xxx." or "Don't be silly baby, he's just a work friend."

Chance of branch swinging: Over 50%. She is now having fun with Chad, seeing what it would be like to hang out with him outside of work/school. At this point, you better work on your frame of whatever you have going on or this is going downhill fast. I'm not saying whatever you have going on is not salvageable but she sees the branch and can take it anytime.

Your actions: You make it clear without being needy that her actions are unacceptable. Hold frame and start think of a contingency plan. This is the turning point or this is the beginning of the end.

5) Hanging Out After Hours / Hiding Facts

She is now participating in "after work drink activities" with her group, and of course silly, Chad is there. She's putting herself in a position to get what she needs. Her recollection of events transpired become more and more vague hoping to not tip you off. She's finding excuses to fight with you.

Example: "I'm going to get drinks with the an acquantice from work." or "I want to go to this work thing by myself, because it's my work."

Chance of branch swinging: Over 75%. She's making a conscious effort to hang out with this guy. Even more of a red flag if she doesn't want you around and she's getting extra dolled up. Hold on to your pants, this ride is about to end.

Your actions: Your contingency plan is in full effect. You're improving yourself, acquiring new plates, or setting yourself up for the single life. Almost unsavageable at this point unless you go thermonuclear, but it's just way less effort and easier to move on.

6) Branch Swing

She's gone full Tarzan. She's spent enough time with Chad to realize he is the next "one." He is fulfilling some need (validation, security, sex, surprise) that you aren't. She's grab hold of the next branch and gone full Tarzan leaving you like a little Jane bitch.

Example: The break up talk. "I think we should open up our relationship." "I don't love you anymore." "I've found someone else.

Chance of branch swinging: It's done. The average beta buck is broken. Hopefully they discover TRP and discover the signs and symptoms so they can cut that cancer right off before it brings them down again.

Your action: You're done. It's over. Hopefully you're well into your contingency plan and completely okay with moving forward. She's dead to you.

Other thoughts: /u/dRePe_Thill states: She is very unlikely to swing to a male with lower SMV, and may keep him as a plate (beta -orbiter) even though we might recognize she's going through these steps with him.


[–]newName543456126 points127 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

When you accept "she's not yours, it's just your turn", you won't care. Branch swinging is just your turn coming to an end. Don't fight the inevitable. Why would you, if you had abundance mentality anyway?

[–]harsha_hs30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is true, trust your instincts. If you think she's branch swinging, drop her back to level = plate from level = LTR/SO. If it doesn't cure, ignore her and never call again.

This advice assumes below :

  1. You're not married to her
  2. You've not invested significantly into her.

If assumption is false, then you're fucked. Then, it'll be a separate discussion how to minimize damage. But it can be done.

[–]Troll_Name13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boiled down:

My advice is to not invest too heavily in a woman.

I like this advice.

[–]NeoreactionSafe[🍰] 21 points22 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

 

The branch swing is signalled well in advance as the OP describes.

If you want to regain attraction then you must do the opposite of your normal tendency.

When she loses interest you should not chase or please her because the fact you are more needy than she is just makes her branch swing make more and more sense.

Better to hold Frame and be if anything more masculine.

Remember the rule:

 

  • Masculinity + Femininity = Attraction

 

If Attraction is becoming weak (signs being the Branch Swing clues) then you need to increase her anxiety by pulling back.

Every Branch Swing is a case of nervous excitement for her... she is literally putting her future on the line because she is thinking of burning bridges with you.

 

  • Chad Thundercock doesn't care.

 

The concept of:

 

"she's not yours, it's just your turn"

 

...that's for the guy that never planned on being the Alpha leader type, but just wants to sneak as must sex as he can get.

Chad isn't the Alpha and this is his great advantage because he really doesn't care.

Chad thinks "Enjoy the Decline" and sees decline as positive.

The Alpha is the "owner" of things. He demands obedience.

Chad never demands anything... he just fucks then leaves.

It's like getting free stuff... the Chad mindset.

In our age there is wisdom in being Chad, but not all times reward this type of behavior.

 

[–]DonaldBaelish11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Abso-fucking-lutely.

It's just your turn? Fuck that. That's inferior thinking in an LTR. It's her turn. You are her alpha. You are her patriarch. You are the shit. You have standards and expectations. She misbehaves, you punish.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That is true up until a certain point, then she branch swings anyway, or you leave her. Humans are not monogamous, no relationship lasts forever.

[–]1by1is35 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have seen a few monogamous relationships but most of those were where men acted masculine, were in complete control and did not shy from using dread. The women in those relationships loved their men.

Also many times, even if you are Alpha, your SMV is going to go down in her eyes just because of familiarity and routine rather than your actual SMV. So she might branch swing to another person who she thinks has a higher SMV but in reality, he is just a Chad (or pretending to be). If you hold your frame, and ditch her, she will become Alpha widowed. She won't know it yet, but once she realizes Chad isn't as fun to be a with, and that you really were high SMV, she is ALWAYS going to regret it. ALWAYS. Seen a few alpha widows, they are always stuck on the alphas, I would say going by their insistence, they would be pretty monogamous if the Alpha didn't falter.

Key is, if you want to limit hypergamy and get monogamy from a woman, you gotta be the best and act the best at ALL times.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct on all points in my view. I know because I went through it. My ex branch swung during an onset of psychiatric symptoms. Then she realised the error of her ways and now she is a total alpha widow. She texts me, begs to do business with me, comes and does my washing, if I say jump, she says how high. True alphas are rare and once they have had the real thing, they can never forget it.

[–]Poofysmoof0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen dread game used in quite a few post, are there any good post or other information on this subject?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No kidding. What's the alternative to this? You'll be stuck with just this one girl who is going to go get all old. Thank God my last LTR branch swung on me. Could you imagine? Being stuck with the same vagina while that life support system is now almost forty? I would never have had this cute twenty six year old girl asleep next to me right now. Hopefully she will branch swing at thirty as well.

[–]Troll_Name2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This way of life kept humanity going for thousands of years. But it's in the past now.

Now it's nothing more than a false-history used to bludgeon us all over the head. Folks in power won't tell us any of what actually happened. Depending on the mood of the moment, they will either tell horror stories of pre-salvation or sing bygone memories from the mythical age. In either case, the entire point of the story is making us think how they want us to think.

We have a completely different way of life now. Where the old way was a story game, the new way is a sandbox game. Don't let your life be a stage prop for someone else's expectation of a story.

[–]Troll_Name5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Commonly, as TRP lurkers and posters, we draw three conclusions:

1) Don't get married; marriage is a fake deal with a real price.

2) When a dude thinks it cannot happen to him, it happens to him.

3) Abandon all expectation of a happily ever after - because your time in this world will end long before the ride does.

[–]abbafishhead12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because until we leave them, they're a drain on our resources, so we should care, "our turn" or not. And also because we're not cucks.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you notice she's even considering swinging, you should instantly have the thought that she has already lost her worth as a partner, deserving of neither your resources nor your care.

[–]slay_it_forward12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ya the sooner you move on the better. When she's at the point on wanting to go out without you and the nagging has increased significantly it's already over. She's not in love (pair-bonded) with you anymore.

Cut it off and don't tell her why. NO closure. She doesn't deserve it. Maybe fuck her a couple of times down the line and then kick her out directly after, again not discussing the relationship.

[–]abbafishhead1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and never live with her precisely for that reason. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get rid of her when you live with her. I myself cohabited with my ex-girlfriend, and I wanted to end it "once and for all" in June, but only managed to actually get her out in August. In between those months, you don't want to know the stress, agony, and drama I endured. NEVER AGAIN

[–]Screenp22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.. no use in fretting over why the tiger has stripes, it just does.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its more about failed branch swings (cheating).

[–]Endorsed ContributorAFPJ1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Came here to say this.

If a chick thinks she can do better, cool.

If she actually can, it wouldn't have lasted anyways.

The catch is that it never lasts.

[–]thisornothing52 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, I'd have mentally checked-out by stage one. I used to blame myself for being paranoid, but now, I know I just value my time too much to waste it on women like that. Solid post.

[–]WIDE_420lbs18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Man I would feel pretty bad about anyone letting it progress into stage5. Shit sounds retarded; having to play double agent at your own home, especially if she's LTR.

My gut reaction is in step 1 of just saying "why the fuck do I care?[about this guy]" I talk to dudes all day, why would I want to talk to my girl about other dudes? I'm sure that's the wrong approach

[–]slay_it_forward8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Happened to me, don't let it happen to you. The pair-bonding chemicals are strong but they need to be overcame.

[–]Persaeus12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Solid post. Have personally observed all 6 states and you nailed it. One edit to your edit. Don't take to much solace in the beta orbiter or lower SMV man if he reaches stage 3 or higher. If he has any game, he only need be different than you and have some luck with her mood.

[–]Praecipuus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't take to much solace in the beta orbiter or lower SMV man if he reaches stage 3 or higher. If he has any game, he only need be different than you and have some luck with her mood.

Just made a comment stating this too. Women's behaviors are so contextual it's not worth worrying about whether she might swing or not. Just check out if you see things unfold.

[–]dRePe_Thill32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would've been nice if you had mentioned SMV because this also plays a huge factor. As well as advice on what to do/not do at each stage as this unfolds, then maybe when you might cut this chick off.

If I we're in an LTR (unlikely) then boundaries would have been known to her before hand, I believe there is a post on this, and she would be soft then hard nexted in the area of stage 3/4. And absolutely ghosted at stage 5, maybe beforehand depending on the situation.

Other thoughts: She is very unlikely to swing to a male with lower SMV, and may keep him as a plate (beta -orbiter) even though we might recognize she's going through these steps with him.

On the first point you mention the types of relationships "Your LTR/Plate/SO", I think this should be modified to exclude a plate. Essentially we DGAF if she swings, and this just demotes her status and provides another opportunity for a plate to be added.

nice post for those in STR/LTR/LDR

[–]dantesrage1310 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely agree on nexting her at stage 3~4

[–]AsianAway[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fantastic input. I'll edit and add some more thoughts.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stage 2 is the beginning of the end. My ex once told me about how this guy at work made a funny sexual innuendo to her and she had this big fat smirk on her face as she was retelling it. I knew it was a problem then, but against my good judgment i stuck around. I ended up getting burned. It's scary how many stories you hear about that kind of stuff. If she's telling you how funny a guy is at a work/school w/e, especially when she typically tells you how disgusted she is when guys hit on her, she's digging the grave for your relationship.

[–]waldo88810 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They do this to get you comfortable enough to not think about it when she attacks. She already wants it but she wants to find a way to not jeopardize her image,her safety, and her relationship if it isn't that good. She knows exactly what she's doing. They have one foot out the door all the fucking time. Its not a joke they have NO capability of loyalty and their entire nature is deception to achieve their goals. They need control or forget about a Long term relationship.

[–]abbafishhead27 points28 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The right time to break it off would be mid-/late-stage 3. Stages 1 and 2 are too early to call, and it might be fleeting, or you might be misreading her. Stage 3 shows that she's pretty obviously infatuated by the other guy. Show her you mean business by leaving her there and then. I wouldn't do it any other way in an LTR.

You should never enter into an LTR if you aren't prepared to leave it at a moment's notice, which seems very paradoxical, but that's the only way you can keep your frame and maintain dread. This is why I don't do LTRs, because there's nothing I cannot get from plates that I get from LTRs.

LTRs are a Beta's strategy to secure consistent sex by locking down a girl into a monogamous arrangement by supplying emotional and financial provisions to retain her.

[–]askmrcia8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree with you. Ltrs just don't work for me. At the most stressful periods of my life was when I was in a ltr because my gut feeling is telling me she's cheating or planning to, but I had no proof. If any man been in this situation you know that feeling will eat you alive.

Having plates and casual partners is far less stressful. If I'm bored I can take them on dates to watch a movie or go to some festival the same I would do a ltr. The difference is, I don't give a shit what they do when they leave, who they texting or what guys are dming them on social media.

This way truly makes me much happier. Ltrs are amazing in the early stages. But eventually when you have to worry about them cheating or their behavior changes drastically (and it always do) then that's when they become a nightmare. Because you want them to last long but you can't. Holding frame and doing dread all the time gets tiring because at the end of the day, there's nothing you can do stop them from branch swinging. If they want to, they will. I agree with your final point 100%.

[–]Poofysmoof1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or when you have kids, but glad you guys are out here showing the problems that men will go through. All these points are extremely valid, I completely agree you have to be ready to walk away and be secure in your own right.

[–]Praecipuus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there's nothing I cannot get from plates that I get from LTRs.

This is my exact perception as well. Unless one wants to have kids, what is it that monogamy with a woman will add to one's table?

[–]dawnlander points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy Link

I just got triggered :p Personal anecdote. Pre Red Pill. Oneitis LTR:

  1. She tells me about this "guy that likes me I think, but don't worry, he's weird."
  2. Has female friend over, they repeat the narrative, fem-friend validates the narrative (probably reversing their dialogue when I'm not around), "Yeah that guy, what's up with him?" "I'll have to tell him I'm not interested. Me: "Why haven't you told him already?"
  3. She tells me about going out with friends and this guy "just shows up and was annoyingly just clinging to me the whole time, like wouldn't leave my side. I wasn't inviting him on a date, I just thought he might want to hang with my friends but he wouldn't leave me a lone".
  4. She doesn't show up one night, never responds to my texts... doom. Next day she shows up and claims that she stayed at his place, and they "didn't do anything, just cuddled". I flipped out and was emotionally angry and incredulous, she says "this is why I didn't want to tell you, you'd just act ridiculous" I'm flabbergasted -- can laugh out loud in retrospect.
  5. I'm driving home from work, call her and tell her I'll be home soon, she responds obviously caught off guard, "What? Oh when are you gonna be here? umm...uhhh.. cannn you wait a second...umm" -- Me, in quiet rage: "Nope be there soon". I get there and mother fucker is in my apartment. I call a good male friend while I walk in so I don't berserker out on this guy and kill him, I just walk through the door "Yeah, right here in my damn house" I say to my friend, "I'm sorry to hear that dude, just stay cool". I stand in the kitchen seething while talking to my friend not acknowledging them directly.
  6. That was it, she moved out, my friend moved in. This was THE episode that made me encounter Red Pill writers at Chateau Heartise and The Rational Male. I had a crazy acid trip that I labeled my "satanic awakening" in the vein of the satanic church worshipping the "Angel of Light" that was God's first Angel but ultimately rebelling and blazing his own trail. (I put this image as my wallpaper to reinforce: https://encyclopediasatanica.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/lucifer.jpg).
  7. This is not something I'm proud of (incredibly fucking lame but laughable) but is the true conclusion to that episode: When she came back to get her stuff a few days later, I jacked off into a condom and intentionally left it on the sideboard next to the bed knowing she would see it later that day. She saw it and literally broke down into sobbing tears thinking she had been truly replaced that quickly. Chode move but those tears were oh-so-satisfying.

I swallowed the pill quickly and thoroughly -- I thankfully had some "proto red pill" awareness being big into evolutionary biology and having reference experiences of getting female attention when I was actively on my purpose and not feeble and depressed. Many good events have come from that pitiable man I used to be. It still brings up some self-anger though realizing how fucking oblivious I was, and how to-the-T she followed the OPs branch swinging steps.

[–]artsyluna18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The condom thing made me lol. Good move

[–]1GroundhogLiberator12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can get the same effect if you leave the smaller piece of the condom wrapper in plain sight. Half as disgusting and twice as plausible.

[–]phreshstart5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So much wisdom in this sub bro. Thanks for sharing!

[–]1Jax777894 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the most telling sign is that you feel her slipping out of your frame. A woman is always in one man's frame. When branch swinging you feel she is moving to another plane, less receptive.

[–]1skittles_man5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Solid write up.

By stages 2.5-3.0, I'm already making plans to take the L.

[–]JackGetsIt4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Consistent texting...'Chad and I got pizza and beer today and lunch and worked on xxx'...'Don't be silly baby, he's just a work friend.'

Most women have already monkey branched by this point if they say/do something like this. If a girl ever says this she should have already been plated months ago... An even more likely scenario, she's already broken up with you (in her mind), and cheated multiple times especially if she's this bold. You've already been 'cucked.'

I like to call this the extraction phase. I wrote about it in my original post>

 

The 6 Stages of Break Up: A Guide to Not Having Your Nuts Smashed In a Door by a LTR

 

Another inciteful and original post related to this break up/extraction tendency is>

 

The Light Switch Effect - Why Women Re-Write the History of Relationships

 

As a bonus it's written by the genuine article /u/redpillschool.

I hope that his writing inspires you as well!

[–]askmrcia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To your first point, remember it's never that obvious. I agree with you for sure, but for anyone reading your comment they have to realize its never that obvious.

She may be texting Chad, but she is also texting other male co workers and friends, including ones she's not even remotely attracted too. This blends Chad in with everyone else because how can you call her out on Chad when she's texting the intern for fuckin up the filing cabinets or John for bringing in those shitty cookies for the office cookie competition?

So yea, she can just say Chad is work friend because she has others. This is how guys don't see it coming. Women are far more sneaky then the examples Op gave. And I know Op gave those small examples because he didn't want the post to be too long.

[–]AsianAway[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jack, your writing is what inspired me to format the thread this way. I appreciate the response!

[–]suske1276 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say your percentage estimates were pretty low. Should probably be raised 20% for each category. Good post though, don't see this talked about much

[–]JohnnyRaz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she was texting him I would remove her from my life or possibly demote her to plate status . My girl doesn't work, she stays at my house and does what I tell her to. It's not a jealous or control thing, she is just well aware that she could be replaced by 10 other women with the snap of a finger. If you're in a relationship with a woman and she's texting or talking to other men it's already time to cut her out and bring in a new one.

[–]beginner_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Texting with co-worker after hours? Bye bye I say. Not acceptable.

[–]Scandinavianredpill[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very well written and its not that I disagree with what you write, but basically its showing that you haven't entirely shallowed the red pill yet. regardless of any signs you should still hold frame, just because thats who you are. if its a game you have to put up its gonna be too taxing to do in the long term. If you are truly redpill, you expect a girl to eventually monkey branch - therefor you do not give her legal power over you and you do not react in a jelous way when she brings up chad at work.. why? because you realize you cannot contain her anyway. you will pratice dread naturally, why? because you are truly happy with or without her. if she makes your life too difficult you got other options. you aren' faking it. all these things are naturally occuring mechanisms, you cannot keep up an act forever so I think more emphasis should be on how to become a person that got the mental fortitude to effortlessly express the right behaivor as opposed to trying to learn this behaivor in a synthesized way.

[–]brinkleybuzz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys with abundance branch swing too. Be a renter not a buyer. By the time she gets to stage 3, it's probably time to wind down the rental and start shopping for a replacement.

[–]throwthataway95 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk about this bringing up in conversation thing... if she had an interest and felt any bit bad about it, dont you think shed never bring him up?

[–]PaulMurrayCbr points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Smart ones, maybe. Dumb ones just vomit out whatever is on their minds, and when they meet Chad, he is what they are thinking about all the time.

[–]abbafishhead0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls can't help it. They talk about what's on their minds, often subconsciously. Whenever a girl seems infatuated with another guy, I just let them go and ignore them for a while. 95% of the time, they come back. Just give them some time to finally figure out that the other guy whom she keeps texting (and thus who keeps texting her) is a Beta.

Of course, you yourself have to be high-SMV to begin with...

[–]rockmasterflex1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Useful tidbit: could you not also mock this behavior in an LTR for some serious dread?

Oh this new chick at Work/Social group/ bar Becky...

[–]Toastlove0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is actually happening right now with a couple I know. I knew the girl first before she met her bf, good lad I get on well with and not a little bitch.

But recently she's started hanging out with her work friends, all girls at first so no issues, but now a guy is with them on nights out and the boyfriend is not happy. It's been the source of arguments and near breakthroughs, and some questionable things have happened, and the Bf has broken frame multiple times from what he's told me about it. The other possible side of it is the new guy has lower SMV than the current bf and shes just using him as an orbiter and easy attention while their relationship goes though a rough patch, not realizing he is the cause of it.

Reading this shes at stage 5.

[–]ImSecretlyATurtle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Branch swinging is essentially a struggle for dominance in the relationship power dynamic. She wants to branch swing? Fine you do it too. Go get other girls. It's good practice anyways since men tend to get complacent when in relationships. The consistent source of sex and female company makes it so you lack the desire or necessity to go out and continue to improve yourself and your game. Don't let that happen. I consider branch swinging a positive thing because it gets you off your ass and back into the game.

Oh and once she sees how many other girls want you, she'll forget all about Chad and come crawling back to you. Chad wants her. You don't. And you have options. That makes you desirable. And that makes her want you.

[–]rob_holloway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This was a good post man. This exact process happened when I was with my ex back in my blue pill days. Crazy smh.

[–]sazzmflazm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Scary accurate representation of what transpired between my college gf and I. All the way down to the drinks with coworkers. She married the guy and had an awful relationship ending in divorce. Ended up looking me up years later. I coulda banged her but didn't since she had gained a bunch of weight.

[–]aherne180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Example: "Chad made a funny joke today, blah blah blah." or "Chad did this today, he is so weird."

Man, the very fact she keeps on mentioning a guy's name (hint: she is fucking / about to fuck him) is more than enough to NEVER look back and LEAVE! By continuing, you only show lack of self respect...

[–]Praecipuus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

SMV is contextual. You can be an attractive, rich guy who has sick game and she might still go sit on some hippie's dick just because novelty/mystery. Don't even bother with "applying" dread as it should come naturally from you checking out of the LTR.

Plus, being single is way more fun.

[–]gkmedia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep so many other things happening that you don't even notice.

[–]bwoodski0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn... pretty much the exact layout

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a girl and I think you'd have to be an idiot to mention the guy you're planning to hop to to your bf. Better to keep it quiet if you're already sexually attracted and think you might jump.

I wouldn't worry as much if the girl mentions a guy friend..I'd worry more about what she's hiding.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, this should be in a book or something. Mind if I co-opt it into mine?

[–]vladrares10-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually , my current gf did this. Luckyly , i was the "Chad". He was in a realationship for 7 mo with the other guy. We start talking , after 1 month she was so into me. They didn't break up until her bf heard from other people we hang out very often. After they broke up , we went on a trip with school where she gave me her viriginity.

[–]Juan-San1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not very smart if you LTR a girl who branch swings to you. Past behaviours are the best predictors for future behaviours.

[–]JackGetsIt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Almost all women branch swing. If she did it tactfully and without actual cheating that's at least something to work with.

[–]Juan-San0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He was in a realationship for 7 mo with the other guy. We start talking , after 1 month she was so into me.

In my book, that's emotional cheating. I'd be okay if she wasn't "certain" that the new guy is gonna take her, as in she's taking a chance, not something for granted, but I'm expecting from most women something they're not usually capable off, which is some degree of loyalty.

sigh AWALT. I enjoy LTRs but I guess that, in order to protect my own interests, plates are the only way to go.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Google for "The 6 Stages of breaking up - a guide" by u/JackGetsIt and for "Please Break Up With Me" post by Rollo.

[–]JackGetsIt-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the shout out. I think he's already read it.

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