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General-Baljeet-Tjinder-/r/MensRights13/03/21 01:00 PM
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Inferior in what Other than physical, many religious beliefs encourage the idea of women being subservient and obedient to men In essence, they are inferior in creation, and as a result of the entirely scriptural basis for many of these beliefs, and how strongly places like Sauda Arabia and North Africa follow these religious beliefs, they follow the oppressive values and commands from their holy books physical differences —> intellectual inferiority —-> Yet the first positions they demand to be…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 03:05 PM
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Original comment was suggesting women have it better off / are equal in every single country in the world I called that out Then they talk about a potential injustice men could face if a fringe movement somehow successfully flushed through a sexist bill It’s moving from one point to a completely separate and different point whist also failing to actually respond to my criticisms or points of their original comment by virtue of them abandoning it
/r/MensRights05/05/21 12:46 PM
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Im thinking more North-African in terms of areas with heavy Islamic influence These countries tend to highly value religion and tend to place women in lower social positions as a result of what the more fundamental followings of their faith dictates The main focus should still be on Middle Eastern areas such as Saudi Arabia though, that’s the easier argument to make Women are protected because they are seen as inferior in many countries, and because of this they also tend to lower expectations o…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 12:43 PM
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We were talking about Saudi Arabia and the rights or lack-thereof women have there I was calling attention to the dramatic and incorrect notion that women are more privileged than men in places like Saudi Arabia, pointing to how even if they have a couple minor ‘privileges’, among a more substantial lack of privileges that men have, that these ‘privileges’ are negligible and often a result of their inferior status within those eastern societies They are seen as weak and lacking independence, the…
/r/MensRights05/05/21 12:37 PM
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Ah, so you didn’t quite read what I said, and talked about something else sort of unrelated to my actual point of how women are essentially treated as objects or commodities in many middle-eastern / North African areas Okay, so let’s try again, but this time keep in mind what I actually said and respond to my actual point, rather than miss it and talk about some mild fringe groups pushing shitty ideas elsewhere in the world
/r/MensRights04/05/21 09:59 PM
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The example given was Saudi Arabia One of many examples sure, think northern Africa too Women have the right to financial support from their male relatives Because they’re widely seen as inferior and less expected to work, in turn needing protection or leadership, idk if that’s much of a right but hey ho Women have the right to not be crucified as a punishment What a sensational and significant right women have over men they must be over the moon which far outstrip the rights men have that women…
/r/MensRights04/05/21 08:37 PM
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You’ve gotta be trying to be delusional if you’re genuinely struggling to find any countries where women lack same rights men have Eastern nations tend to be a little oppressive, especially when justified by religion Think about a lack of bodily autonomy, freedom of expression, equal decision making, general opportunities It’s base level just moronic to act as if women have just as many rights as men in every single country in the world Or is it one of those... walking around, fingers in ears, e…
/r/MensRights04/05/21 07:56 PM
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But doesn’t this run into some logical issues? What do we do when your God given right to happiness contradicts with other peoples God given right? Denying same-sex couples service over something they can’t change and holding prejudices against them is an injustice, you’re making them suffer and stifling their individual freedoms Is it really reasonable to justify this type of discrimination? Maybe your example just wasn’t particularly good but even still, the extend of negativity and general id…
/r/MensRights04/04/21 03:23 PM
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I just still think these places are non-representative Not everyone on those forums will be active / so extreme / representative of how they feel in real life The internet’s anonymous nature, paired with the tendency to over focus on the extreme will create a biased interpretation. It only take 1 of the hundreds of people in a forum to make a shitty statement for it to stick in someone’s mind and ignore the hundreds of other moderate takes. These groups can also then have splits, making extreme …
/r/MensRights02/04/21 06:24 PM
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I was editing because originally it wasn’t very developed, I didn’t see your response until now... There is no echo chamber, it’s just sort of understandably unreasonable to act as if a wide majority of people label themselves trans because of pressure on social media rather than genuine identity. This form of generalisations isn’t helpful to anyone, and is less founded than the more scientific basis of gender x body dysphoria x dysmorphia Even as is, trans forums are already a niche among trans…
/r/MensRights02/04/21 04:44 PM
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I’m simply being realistic External factors are simply less logical than internal ones to the degree the author is saying Acting as if it’s very much such an active choice is harmful and undermines the context of gender identity regarding gender dysphoria Unless you criticise my points my opinions won’t change and I’ll still call this take dramatic and unproductive
/r/MensRights02/04/21 08:45 AM
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Did you respond to the right person? I never talked about feminism or other extremist movements, I was addressing op’s points and pointing out how his idea of innocence is not only stupid but also a common misconception, something not actually relevant to modern society It’s undeniable that progress towards equality has been made compared with the past Traditional gender norms are the obvious example That’s what I’m commenting on, I’m not talking about the new waves / groups that go overboard be…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 02:49 PM
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Primitive communities didn’t have the luxury to have specific gender roles Everyone worked and hunted, the only exception being heavily pregnant women who physically couldn’t help or the sick and ill, this idea of gender roles was a more modern introduction as societies became more structured, then again reinforced by religion and minor biological differences to create these unequal positions up until more recently where these biases are confronted and we’re left smaller remnants of the more tra…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 01:54 PM
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Often it's due to brainwashing from cult-like trans forums Yeah this is bullshit, people transition because they have gender dysphoria a huge higher majority of the time, it’s sort of ironic to talk about brainwashing whilst being strongly manipulated by non-representative, unrealistic talking points In England transphobia is virtually non-existent but misandry is a serious problem Transphobia is far from virtually non-existent, I get that it’s easier to look past these marginalised groups’ issu…
/r/MensRights01/04/21 12:44 PM
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Transsexuality barely has exterior motivations, or like you said they’re very weak, that’s why I’m criticising the author for hyper focusing on a super weak aspect of why someone could be trans rather than looking at the actual / much much much more likely reasons such as being gender dysphoric That's not the picture the posts paint regarding her child, who came out of left field Transsexuality can be caused by a number of things mostly coming from changing hormones. Puberty is a process but it’…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 10:02 PM
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My point is that there is an underlying lack of tolerance or acceptance of the trans identity Never calling trans women women, rather men who say they’re women and vice versa As well as the entirely of her explanation for why her child is trans being that they’ve been groomed on the internet She also misgenders her daughter, and says no matter what she would always call her child her son, despite them being a trans women, with no exceptions My issue is that this is not being accepting or toleran…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 08:31 PM
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The writer has raised multiple questions both in this part and previous part, questioning whether our definition of masculinity is too narrow to encompass perfectly fine, growing boys who don't fit the overly masculine man stereotype I agree, there is an aspect of toxic standards for men and women, some have the idea that these ‘feminine’ characteristics mean they aren’t a man, and better fit with being a woman. But sadly this isn’t what the writer focused on My issue is that the mother complete…
/r/MensRights30/03/21 06:44 PM
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Isn’t this just transphobia? All this does is demonstrate that these types of people still don’t actually understand why people are trans and are brainwashed by a notion that being transgender is an ideology rather than an innate part of someone’s identity Same type of people to call being gay a choice or smth, idk why such lame stuffs being posted in a men’s rights sub, especially when it indirectly attacks trans men, seems a little counter productive
/r/MensRights30/03/21 03:08 PM
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Well then he’s just wrong, acting as if this is some sort of issue in the first place, it’s so overly dramatic and unrealistic, seeing the growing number of people able to be themselves as an attack on his misconception of what a man is supposed to be
/r/MensRights29/03/21 02:36 AM
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So you’re under the misconception that in this modern world you cannot be yourself? What makes you think an individual / personal way of life is being taken away? Or how outside forces actually have much relevance regarding individuals
/r/MensRights29/03/21 02:11 AM
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Why does the growing acceptance / existence of more traditionally feminine men scare you so much? Isn’t it better to have people act / feel happier being true to themselves rather than being pushed into some sort of gender norm that doesn’t fit them as a person
/r/MensRights29/03/21 01:15 AM
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Basically, a woman in the Uk was killed, midday by a police officer It blew up because of how she took every precaution to keep herself safe (texting friends, normal clothes, mid day, public space) yet she still got attacked Led into a more general discussion about helping women feel safe as well as pushing for sexual harassment to be less tolerated (e.g pushing for guys to call out sexist and inappropriate behaviour as well as for people to make less excuses for it) Just general awareness raisi…
/r/MensRights16/03/21 01:28 AM
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As in the type of blaming is generally more specific and targeted E.g. Women being criticised for wearing skimpy clothing as an excuse to being sexually harassed, you’re blaming the women for wearing clothes and not the person for sexually harassing her This type of victim blaming in regard to the more sexual harassment just isn’t as common for men, hence why you probably don’t hear about it as much in recent conversation People just sort of assume women are vulnerable (potentially because of so…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 08:34 PM
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From what I gathered though the government was essentially saying it’s not a priority, hardly something they’d realistically implement because of how it doesn’t actually solve anything long term That’s not really political correctness, it’s pushing away an unrealistic proposition whilst trying to maintain the stance that there is a current social issue that needs addressing I’m not entirely confident on why it’s even something to focus on, just a throw away statement from the government to keep …
/r/MensRights15/03/21 07:37 PM
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Why would they do that? Why bother with risking outrage when they can have no outrage by acknowledging its an issue whilst not really considering these deliberately unrealistic proposals It’s quite literally the most reasonable response a respectable governing body can give, what’s the incentive to risk being controversial?
/r/MensRights15/03/21 06:53 PM
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Do you really think men in general, socially, are more afraid to go out or be alone at night in women? Or do you think it’s the same type of fear? Because thats really important, sexual harassment is so common that it makes women feel unsafe, that type of fear isn’t nearly as common for men. There’s a sexual aspect around this current fear added onto the basic fear of being attacked, there’s simply more to worry about with women than there is to men. Pair that with general ideas about socialisat…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 06:30 PM
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Women already have a sort of natural curfew from the fear of being alone at night over fear of sexual harassment That’s what the original person who made the 6PM for men idea was making a point about And again, the comparison is not particularly consistent because I one case, no one is excusing crimes, victims of crime perpetrated by black guys aren’t told to just stay inside, carry some sort of weapon or to no instigate them to commit a crime in the first place Whereas in the case for women and…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 06:14 PM
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Did you read what I said? Making a direct comparison between the two isn’t really appropriate, they’re just too different, two separate issues Therefore push a consistent train of thought between the two is also sort of inappropriate Am I missing something? Could you explain why it’s appropriate to ignore their unique issues in favour of a broad comparison? It’s not very productive if you don’t explain how I’m wrong and just repeat something I’ve already made a point against And at the very end …
/r/MensRights15/03/21 01:31 PM
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You’re point that it’s still ‘on their list’ isn’t much better They’re only saying it’s there at all to try and not offend anyone / to acknowledge that there’s some sort of issue present, it’s still sort of meaningless And sexual harassment or at least groping / catcalling is much more common than the disproportionate crime black people commit Hell, it’s sort of a shallow comparison anyways because of how deeply disproportionate black crime is rooted in social class, general oppression / animosi…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 01:15 PM
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Literally from the article you weirdo As yet there are no set in stone plans to implement a curfew of any form. However, there have been calls for steps to be taken to protect women following the tragic disappearance of Sarah Everard. Today Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford has said a curfew on men "wouldn't be on the top of the list" of measures the Welsh Government would consider as it would be only a "temporary intervention So no, the Welsh government don’t think it’s important at all What’…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 12:04 PM
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Are you going to done making excuses and vague attempts to distract and devalue what I said? I didn’t try to be condescending and if i ever did, it’s purely because your points were reactionary and shallow I’d assume it’s because you don’t have a good answer and are too... embarrassed to accept that your stance is shallow? But idk, if you don’t like people explaining to you why you’re wrong don’t bother making the effort to reply in the first place Real simple
/r/MensRights14/03/21 07:20 PM
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Rape is sex without consent, nothing more That means rape falls under the category of coercion, pressure, blackmail, alcohol ect. All things that take away or manipulate a persons ability to consent At that baseline level, maybe the numbers are a little more even Not sure when people started deciding it’s 50/50 though, when socially pursuing sex is more of a thing men stereotypically do over women
/r/MensRights14/03/21 04:18 AM
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I said catcalling
/r/MensRights14/03/21 02:53 AM
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All you’ve done is demonstrate to everyone that you don’t understand how rape works, massively oversimplifying it to the point where you disregard the ins and outs of consent
/r/MensRights13/03/21 11:52 PM
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It’s an objective fact that women get catcalled in public more than men That’s sexual harassment, my point still stands
/r/MensRights13/03/21 11:23 PM
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What does that have to do with what I’m explaining? Is your anecdotal barely relevant experience an attempt to try and devalue sexual harass enemy?
/r/MensRights13/03/21 07:08 PM
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It’s a different type of fear For women it is predominantly a fear of sexual harassment For men, it is a more general fear of being attacked They are two sort of separate ideas, comparing the two isn’t entirely consistent because of how the context behind that fear is different For example, catcalling, that’s a form of sexual harassment, it generally makes women feel unsafe and scared Where this applies is how catcalling is going to be more tolerated in society than a male alternative that spark…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 04:40 PM
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I saw it more as bigotry purely in the sense to prove a point It’s not necessarily as bad as straight up genuine bigotry because it’s not as serious, it’s there to highlight a double standard more clearly than it could through other methods ‘Oh you say this, then surely you’d agree with this?’ Referencing something more widely regarded as wrong and demonstrating how the train of thought is the same It’s sort of getting to semantics at this point though, my main focus was on how people are sort o…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:52 PM
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If it wasn’t tolerated, surely that type of victim blaming advice would never have been given in the first place
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:32 PM
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There was uproar, but that doesn’t negate the fact that it’s still a sort of expectation or norm that women have to face. Victim blaming isn’t uncommon within this context, it’s still a present societal expectation Her point was: women are under a social curfew due to fear, that social curfew is reinforced by tolerance and acceptance of general public mistreatment women face (in the case of sexual harassment) She applied that same societal expectation or train of thought and logic to men and the…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:26 PM
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It’s explaining a pre-existing bigotry that is (or was) accepted or normalised and then going on to apply it to men in an attempt to show a double standard Demonstrating how that bigotry isn’t tolerated when it affects men, but is when it affects women
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:17 PM
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It’s still not a joke, it’s a deliberately hyperbolic statement to highlight / demonstrate a double standard And it worked, look how defensive people got when a restriction was proposed from women, compared to the acceptance of that same more social restriction women already face You’re proving her point
/r/MensRights13/03/21 03:12 PM
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As in, people are using this deliberately radical example as an attempt to devalue or criticise the overall discussion (women’s safety). In which case it is a strawman (I wasn’t clear enough originally)
/r/MensRights13/03/21 02:35 PM
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My post was based off that response and the original back and forth She’s pointing out a hypocritical stance and explaining how she feels there’s a double standard How is that any different to what I said in my post It seems a little weird to focus on one exaggerated statement when that statement was exaggerated to highlight the hypocrisy that’s evident from her immediate follow up after mentioning the 6pm curfew thing
/r/MensRights13/03/21 02:33 PM
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I’m explaining that this is a horrible example to focus on because it is more-so someone highlighting hypocrisy than proposing a genuine obviously unrealistic bill Using radical examples as straw mans is stupid
/r/MensRights13/03/21 02:28 PM
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She said it wasn’t a serious proposal, and within the context of the whole back and forth that becomes a little clearer It’s More-so an attempt to highlight a supposed double standard It’s only arguably gaslighting if you’re misinterpreting what she said or not getting the full picture
/r/MensRights13/03/21 01:13 PM
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There not a massive online presence of men being scared to go out alone at night, not many men sharing stories of that fear, its nowhere near to the same degree It’s just a sad societal fact that generally, women are more scared to go out at night alone. There still is a sexual harassment / creep factor that women disproportionately face People can still make case that women are encouraged and advised to take these ‘’’preventative measures’’’’ way more than men do. It’s a valid point (again beca…
/r/MensRights13/03/21 01:08 PM
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You gotta acknowledge that it’s much much less common to get catcalled / called over / general harassment for men, it’s just a societal fact Sure men probably underreport / misinterpret harassment but acting as if the two sexes face equal sexual harassment is a unnecessary stretch
/r/MensRights13/03/21 12:21 PM
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Women already have a natural curfew, you know, the whole fear of being alone when it’s dark?
/r/MensRights13/03/21 11:58 AM
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I feel as if the main point of this whole thing and why it blew up was because of how it’s a prime example of an issue many women face regarding not feeling safe. It’s not entirely fair to strip it down to the literal circumstance when it’s sort of bigger than that Yes men face their own complications but in general the sense of lack of security / fear / harassment women face is disproportionate, hence why the basis of ‘one white girl’ has grown. It’s a unique issue that women face, and therefor…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 03:13 PM
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Abortion isn’t legally recognised as murder in most Western societies But you generally have to look at the alternatives. Is it better to allow abortions or is it better to make them illegal, view it as murder, and then... face all the complications of unwanted pregnancies, dangerous pregnancies, pregnancies from rape and most of all, illegal and / or unsafe abortions No one really argues that abortion is a good thing Rather that, it’s better than the alternative Generally I feel as if it would …
/r/MensRights12/03/21 02:13 PM
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You think it's odd that people on a men's rights sub might list examples of discrimination against men? As a rebuttal to issues women face yes I do. Like I said it’s not a competition, men and women face unique issues. Putting mens issue in repose to women’s issues is unhelpful and unproductive. We can focus on unique issues separately without having to disregard other people’s issue by presenting our own similar issues But why is it so wrong for men to want their voices to be heard too? No one …
/r/MensRights12/03/21 01:58 PM
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Sure Issue is the two scenarios are a little different An unwanted pregnancy for a women leads to the whole 9 month process I’ve already gone over this, further issues post-birth For men, it’s child support given they leave the relationship / don’t wanna be a father I just feel as if child support is the lesser of he two evils, the alternative is what? Single parent acting as the sole provider leading to a shitty life for the kid who had nothing to with their parents’ lack of responsibility (Obv…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 01:22 PM
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Why is everyone acting like it’s a competition this shit is so pathetic Stop downplaying this issue, women in society today feel significantly less safe in public, the recent example in the UK is just showing even if you do everything right, you’re still at risk. It completely tears down the shitty victim blaming narrative some people have It’s just a fact that women are harassed more in public, be it sexual or verbal, it’s nonetheless much more prevalent for women. They overall feel less safe f…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 01:07 PM
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in case of abortion men should have a say... their views should have weight I assumed this meant that weight would mean something past just being an opinion because as it it stands, men can have an opinion on something that is it directly relevant to them Was op not talking about how his opinion should impact the ultimate decision? Because that’s the impression I got from his replies and general comments. Because that’s what’s the issue, men don’t go through the pregnancy so why should they have…
/r/MensRights12/03/21 12:26 PM
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It’s sort of lines out through the questions I’ve asked though Op’s made some points and I wanted answers for those points because I find them unrealistic I guess I could explain one? So where op says that men should have a say, what does this mean? Right now men can vent their opinions but can’t actually challenge an abortion on physical grounds so if op wants more does that mean actual influence? Obviously this steps into unreasonable grounds with one party who doesn’t physically or mentally d…
/r/MensRights11/03/21 11:51 PM
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As in the faulty logic would be demonstrated by them answering my questions I’m questioning their train of thoughts and trying to get them to expand it to the specific scenarios where it sort of falls apart / is more visibly unreasonable
/r/MensRights11/03/21 08:40 PM
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Did I say that? Can you actually like, answer some of my questions rather than deliberately miss my points and avoid what I’m saying, acting as if I’m saying something else I could try bring up questions which ask you to develop your opinions and try and highlight how they’re potentially unfair or unreasonable. E.g do you think abortion should be a split 50/50 decision? Does that mean a man should be able force a woman through a full term pregnancy? Or if not, why act as if it isn’t ultimately t…
/r/MensRights11/03/21 07:31 PM
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You opposed a traditionally religious stance on a anti-religion subreddit and got educated on why your stance wasn’t particularly strong or valid It’s no surprise people thought you were a troll, at least from the replies it looks like you sort of embarrassed yourself, points so silly they came across as trolling And even then, a majority of the replies and all the popular ones were moderate and understanding to the extent of actually engaging The rest were pointing out how it’s unreasonable to …
/r/MensRights11/03/21 05:34 PM
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Do men give birth? Go through the 9 month process and all the numerous mental and physical complications near the same way women do during pregnancy? The issue is that the consequences or implications of the decision is significantly harder on one person than it is for the other It’s not a wild point to make that ultimately it shouldn’t really be a 50/50 because the effects of the pregnancy aren’t spread 50/50 It’s just, ‘I get to oppose this thing which doesn’t significantly affect me’, it come…
/r/MensRights11/03/21 05:17 PM
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I agree, ‘inferred consent’ isn’t a legal thing, moreso just an understanding between couples It’s just about respect, not really rape like op is suggesting the majority think it is. Doesn’t really feel sane to stick them on directly equal footing ‘inferred consent’ wouldn’t hold up In court, and the alternative is usually a he said she said sort of thing which also wouldn’t really hold up in court Op’s examples is fairly described as soft rape, no official consent given as far as we know, rathe…
/r/MensRights26/02/21 06:03 PM
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Speaking from op’s example though Op’s example is vague, we don’t know if the boundaries ect were set up. All we can see is a reaction implying she wasn’t necessarily respected. It’s silly for op to be so dramatic about the situation and in turn invalidate less nuanced situations
/r/MensRights26/02/21 05:32 PM
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As in couples establish boundaries and use their knowledge of how comfortable their partner is to infer if they’re into it or not In her case the boyfriends didn’t respect her boundaries or that she wasn’t in the mood That’s what I tried to say
/r/MensRights26/02/21 05:13 PM
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(Inferred consent as in a form of consent where it is implied, in terms of where a couple sets boundaries of what they are sexually comfortable with. Not something that’s literally defined) It’s extremely unlikely a complaint like that would go anywhere though. Hell its hard enough to convict people in the first place for sexual assault so a baseline respect issue within a relationship wouldn’t go anywhere I didn’t convey what I meant very well but the meaning of rape has sort of been diminished…
/r/MensRights26/02/21 04:57 PM
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It’s not wild to say the girls felt as though her feelings weren’t thought about (violated wasn’t the right word to use) The idea of being entitled to sex with the partner is the issue op’s example is having. Her feelings aren’t being considered and the partner shouldn’t have pushed when they weren’t in the mood It is a little nuanced, consent can be inferred ect and boundaries / safe words exist. This type of not in the mood stuff isn’t really that serious, more about respecting the partner tha…
/r/MensRights26/02/21 04:40 PM
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So if you’re in a relationship the standard is consent unless someone says otherwise? Acknowledging people can freeze up or feel pressured into letting it happen
/r/MensRights26/02/21 04:02 PM
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Established boundaries and inferred consent exists, in op’s example that wasn’t the case. Hence why she called it soft rape (Inferred consent as in boundaries and comfort levels couples establish, not a legal term, legally this would be considered some sort of sexual assault but that doesn’t mean it would necessarily get far in court or that you would take it anywhere in the first place)
/r/MensRights26/02/21 12:39 AM
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What would that prove I’ve literally just explained to you how it’s a stupid question and isn’t important People act differently Some women would like proper informed consent Some would prefer inferred consent Other could just set boundaries If you want a literal statistic figure google it if you can really want, why do I need to when I feel it’s not necessarily important to the discussion. One interpretation how people like to consent to sex doesn’t make any other interpretation (within reason)…
/r/MensRights25/02/21 11:08 PM
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I responded to the question by explaining that you don’t need to look for basic 1D consent when you have boundaries and inferred consent. I doubt many women would need to because they have healthy relationships where their partner respects their boundaries. It also depends entirely on the person it’s a bit of a stupid question to ask in the first place Like, do you want me to take it literally? A number on how many women seek verbal consent? (Inferred consent as in boundaries and comfort levels …
/r/MensRights25/02/21 10:52 PM
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Inferred consent is a thing, couples can set boundaries and show with body language that they’re into it But simply letting it happen isn’t consent, as I’ve already explained. Why is this sub veering into rape apologist ideas? It’s beyond me that people can think this way outside of pure ignorance. It’s not like this only affects women. Men are victims of just letting it happen as well How is this type of intolerance compatible with this movement? (Wanna clear it up, but inferred consent isn’t o…
/r/MensRights25/02/21 10:37 PM
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Consent isn’t a 1 dimensional as you are making it out to be I did talk about inferred consent, and op still isn’t talking about your example. Their examples don’t really fit the issues you mentioned, they’re talking about someone initiating on someone who doesn’t really want to have sex to where they just let it happen, is letting it happen when not in the mood necessarily consent? And it’s not as if that type of seemingly widely interpretable area is something that will put a dude in jail
/r/MensRights25/02/21 10:22 PM
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So if you touch someone else and they don’t really respond that’s initiating sex and therefore fair game? Like I very clearly explained before, inferred consent is a thing, your original examples don’t convey that Stop making excuses for rape tf is wrong with you (Inferred consent as in boundaries and comfort levels couples establish, not a legal term)
/r/MensRights25/02/21 08:42 PM
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Didn’t you just try and explain that it’s not that simple, and now you massively oversimplify it ignoring what I said earlier about inferred consent (or lack thereof), coercion, blackmail, letting it happen. At least consistent with ur deliberate ignorance Stop blaming victims, start blaming the rapists. If someone doesn’t consent to sex don’t have sex with them it’s really not hard why are you struggling? It’s beyond me that I have to explain that to anyone, how out of touch do you have to be?
/r/MensRights25/02/21 08:10 PM
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Well sure, you can set up boundaries and have inferred consent but in the examples you mentioned this obviously wasn’t the case because the women was uncomfortable (inferred consent as in couples set ideas around sex, and won’t view certain actions that may be legally viewed as problematic as problematic, op didn’t ask for a inherently legal thing so I didn’t give one which may have been my misinterpretation of things) Should people be entitled to the bodies of their partners, is that what you’r…
/r/MensRights25/02/21 07:53 PM
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I don’t think It’s absurdist to acknowledge that sex without some sort of consent is rape Do you think someone freezing up / letting it happen is completely fine? Is it time to blame the victims of rape because some guys are too lazy to care about their partners feelings and ask for consent? ‘You just shouldn’t have frozen up!’ It’s real real simple If they don’t give consent, it’s rape. Letting it happen isn’t consent, coercion isn’t consent. again, very very simple. Is hardly say these example…
/r/MensRights25/02/21 07:36 PM
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We’re victim shaming rape victims now? Completely disregarding how people can freeze up in these types of situations Are we incapable of reading social situations / managing their desires? Just don’t have sex with someone if they say they don’t want to. It is 100% he mans fault if he doesn’t ask for consent and ends up raping someone, there’s nothing unfair about that Shits just plain ignorant (Also, like wtf are these downvoted, we rape apologists now?)
/r/MensRights25/02/21 07:21 PM
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That’s a bit of an thin excuse though Dude got the money because his grandfather was sexist, he was rewarded purely for being a man Is that really fair? It it unreasonable to be upset that you were strong armed out of a large inheritance purely based of gender discrimination? From their point of view it would look pretty selfish of the brother, a member f the family, not to share a penny of his inheritance that, as far as we know, he earned because he’s a man
/r/MensRights25/02/21 11:55 AM
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I want to keep it about all men you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying I’m explaining right now it’s not like that right now To make the sub more inclusive and valid to all types of men it should talk about race, gender, sexuality specific issues men face Trans men face all the issues men face so we should talk about those specific talking points and issues too Black men face certain racial issues others do not or generally treated worse in the law (legal bias)so its important to talk about thei…
/r/MensRights25/02/21 11:03 AM
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I mean, you say that but then again, everyday you get another white dude with a victim complex crying about how white men are the most oppressed people on the world I think it’s more important to talk about men’s rights in a large context, being inclusive the the intricacies me niche issues different types of men face, be it trans men, black men ect ect It’s relevant to the movement, it fits the sub, so why shouldn’t the issues of different people have a place?
/r/MensRights25/02/21 02:51 AM
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And it found out that genital injuries were the same for both Injuries that most likely come from... drum roll... rough sex And still, what does it have to do with men’s rights, you’re avoiding the question
/r/MensRights25/02/21 01:07 AM
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Eh, still at a loss why you posted it here, what does rough sex have to do with men’s rights
/r/MensRights25/02/21 12:52 AM
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But why bring up a study like that in a Men’s Right subreddit? All it does is prove couples like rough sex
/r/MensRights25/02/21 12:37 AM
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2006 forensics are notoriously unreliable, merely the time it was conducted isn’t the focus, it’s what’s being studied and the science at the time ect And I’m still not really understanding the study, why was this talking point a thing in the first place? The study basically just shows that people like rough consensual sex idg what it achieves
/r/MensRights25/02/21 12:19 AM
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What does this actually prove? What feminist talking point is the unreliable 2006 study showing?
/r/MensRights24/02/21 11:47 PM
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How does talking about race specific issues certain types of men face dilute the message of equality?
/r/MensRights24/02/21 08:10 PM
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Sure It just shouldn’t come as some big shock when people call him an asshole for doing that
/r/MensRights24/02/21 07:34 PM
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I don’t think interests are necessarily being elevated, it’s moreso that some particular races encounter some specific complications that don’t happen as often for others. Like a criticism to first wave feminism, it’s important not to ignore / forget about race specific issues some people face The movement can’t be truly about men unless it acknowledges the variety of transracial male issues It feels disingenuous what op is doing by complaining about an ‘anti-white’ agenda when talking about som…
/r/MensRights24/02/21 06:47 PM
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The situation is at its roots unfair. The grandfather ignoring the granddaughters and their aspirations ect and focusing purely on the son based on sexist ideas about gender roles It’s not unreasonable to call someone an asshole for not sharing wealth with their family given this specific scenario where, the son was given priority purely for being a man Is is really worth dividing the family for money? He’s entitled to the money yes but that’s it, it’s unsympathetic at best, it comes across as u…
/r/MensRights24/02/21 03:56 PM
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If your project is about domestic violence then it’s unlikely you’ll find anything against the group that’s only under pressure for violence and threats against police. That’s not got a whole lot to do with domestic abuse so the groups not gunna be particularly uselful For Latin America, you could try find some official statistics, anything else may be a little biased, the country itself is still relatively traditional with its views on men and women as a whole so violence against men may not be…
/r/MensRights23/02/21 11:18 AM
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Anyone who explains why there’s a pro-life narrative in this sub is a shill? Or is it you just can’t take criticism to your ideas and make yourself feel better by giving ppl labels or something Help me understand
/r/MensRights22/02/21 07:41 PM
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It’s a generally conservative sub Therefore the view that abortion is murder isn’t uncommon Obviously people who think it’s murder won’t support it, what It seems to me here though is people are using the MRA movement as an excuse to push a pro-life narrative Idk, comes across as unsympathetic, people not caring about the mother at all and when, as I mentioned above, all this type of bill would do is endanger more lives as women get illegal and unsafe abortions They’re completely undermining how…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 01:53 PM
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But I would respect the wishes of my partner or not get into that position in the first place by using contraception I’m not the one who’ll be pregnant for 9 months, I’m not the one who’ll go through the physical and mental strain, why should it ultimately be my decision? Especially considering how legally abortion isn’t murder in the West
/r/MensRights22/02/21 10:49 AM
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Generally it would be seen that you pressured / guilt tripped someone unwilling to continue into sex It’s a bit of a gray area but I don’t feel like someone is necessarily in the wrong for talking about how they partner made them feel uncomfortable Not sure if it’s reasonable to go as far as to call it sexual abuse though
/r/MensRights22/02/21 01:10 AM
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Sounds like a step in the wrong direction Taking the right to abortion away from women, forcing full term pregnancies, just sounds like a perfect plan for illegal / alternative methods for aborting the child putting everyone at risk This is a lose lose situation
/r/MensRights22/02/21 12:54 AM
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Depends where you’re from In many Eastern cultures absolutely not, having a daughter is never the desired option for many Western culture arguably yes, the teacher grading bias if remember right spans across most of a child’s school life but being realistic, it isn’t super super significant, the bias can only go so far It’s probably down to gender roles ect, boys expected to act a bit more rough, mess around more, struggle more in work (e.g gender differences on types of education and how some a…
/r/MensRights22/02/21 12:28 AM
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Mental illness is very serious & should Not be ignored. Nit picky but modern medical definitions don’t classify transgender(ism) as a disorder or mental illness anymore There is a devastating ripple effects that come with asking everyone around you to pretend. What is that ripple effect specifically? Sorry not sorry I’m not for any organization that prioritizes Sexual preference over physical reality Why not? If the sexual preference or gender identity ultimately positively impacts the people it…
/r/MensRights20/02/21 05:51 PM
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Some ppl In this sub don’t accept trans men as real men, given certain threads with upvoted comments being very dismissive to put it lightly
/r/MensRights20/02/21 05:28 PM
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Yet another dramatic over exaggeration Get a grip, there’s videos all over tiktok of men hitting men, women hitting women, and everything in between, this isn’t a big deal, it’s teenagers being stupid, not some deep social gender issue There’s not some deep internal messaging that’s normalising unprovoked physical violence towards solely men, it’s op ranting about a squabble they had with their sister
/r/MensRights20/02/21 03:41 AM
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Interesting, is there an article somewhere I could read more up on this? Or the scientific basis behind why men are biologically more at risk and why?
/r/MensRights20/02/21 03:22 AM
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Equally if not more dramatic, siblings squabble, it’s really a non issue
/r/MensRights20/02/21 02:30 AM
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You’re being dramatic, blowing a non-issue out of proportion Tiktok videos of people hitting each other isn’t something to get it a knot over
/r/MensRights20/02/21 01:49 AM
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Probably because age is the issue, not gender? A retired 60 year old man is just as likely as a retired 60 year old woman to die from the virus right? Men aren’t just inherently more susceptible to the virus so why should they get priority?
/r/MensRights20/02/21 01:11 AM
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Little bit dramatic
/r/MensRights20/02/21 12:56 AM
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So it was a sort of evolutionary / survival thing? Makes sense for the past, not sure how much it applies to modern society though, seems unnecessary to cling to it when by some it would be seen as outdated / unnecessary Become more of a cultural thing than being necessity for survival, hence why it’s not unreasonable to say they’re anti-woman / anti-men in modern society
/r/MensRights19/02/21 12:05 PM
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What sort of oppressive environments do you mean? Because something like men being taking on a nurture role and women moreso becoming breadwinners doesn’t come across as oppressive despite going against traditional gender roles And how those strict laws and norms have decreasing influence now but were not really seeing any oppression come up, if anything isn’t it the opposite
/r/MensRights19/02/21 11:34 AM
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They sort of go hand in hand Restrictive / oppressive expectations on women and men that limit opportunities and shame people for going against the norm
/r/MensRights19/02/21 11:19 AM
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Jeez, never seen such a clear cut shining example of a walking talking victim complex Are you blind? You keep saying were all equal, where are you getting these facts...we are FAR from equal. 😂 Compared to the past where women were objects and men were sole unanimous providers, we’ve come a long way, which was what I was implying We have never been equal and it's women who decide men's worth in society. Hard to believe when women were seems as objects / possession 50 years ago and still are in s…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 03:34 PM
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What are the traditional standards of America? That men work and women take care of the children? Isn’t that sexist? Limiting to both genders? You’re not told you’re not needed any more than women are told they’re not needed in the household This is the price for equality, women are valued as equals rather than household carers, men and women taking on equal (within reason) domestic and non-domestic roles. Is that a bad thing? If so how? Why are men expendable, are you really that shallow that y…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 02:06 PM
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It's the extremists who are the loudest and I have yet to see ANY woman speak out against them with the same veracity. Then you aren’t looking hard enough Our basic roles in society is what gives us purpose, you're holding and entire generation of men accountable for the crimes of the past and by doing so you're perpetuating a society that isn't equal but turn now biased against the opposite, if we have no basic role I society then it shouldn't threaten women that men are moving away from marria…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 01:51 PM
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The entire point of this progress for women, is that women are becoming more independent You’ve accidentally highlighted why women have made men less important for society, because that’s necessary for equality, since men for a while now have held the power socially and financially until recently It’s literally the ideal that women can be independent, they don’t need and aren’t pushed into a submissive position to men, you can argue biology if it’s makes you feel better but not everything is abo…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 12:48 PM
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What does that have to do with childbirth or op’s post in general? Wouldn’t the harms of processed foods act universally on everyone? Not just women regarding labour. Can a guy getting kicked in the balls ‘not feel anything at all’ if his diet and lifestyle are good? And what about lifestyle in general? The book only seems to cover modern vs old nutrition
/r/MensRights15/02/21 09:55 PM
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I’d love to hear how someone’s lifestyle and diet drastically alters their pain tolerance specifically during child birth and not just a general thing that could apply to both men and women Would’ve been great to include that earlier rather than make some seemingly baseless claims
/r/MensRights15/02/21 09:40 PM
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Eww no don’t double down on that bullshit At best diet helps you keep your energy levels up during labour, shit has nothing to do with an individuals pain tolerance or size / flexibility of the openings And lifestyle? What part of someone’s lifestyle affects child birth pains?
/r/MensRights15/02/21 09:24 PM
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Bruh stop acting as if you have any idea what you’re talking about, shits embarrassing
/r/MensRights15/02/21 09:09 PM
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So... socialisation that men shouldn’t take on nurturing roles in work / the household and women being encouraged to marry and take care of children isn’t based at all on the patriarchy? When humans were more primitive, the women didn’t stay at home and raise children, they worked the same way men did, doesn’t that confuse the evolution stance? Outliers are becoming increasingly less common, why is that? ARe humans going against this innate evolutionary basis for everyone that’s so strong it his…
/r/MensRights13/02/21 01:43 PM
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I think myself a bit of an expert on men, being one myself I must admit does help with that But what I’m trying to explain, is that there is less of a need / push for men to hold these types of toxic values, because of how they aren’t in the educator role in traditional households They aren’t teaching their kids how to behave as much as women do (working in generalisations ofc) hence why they would hold less strong opinions about how men and women should act Like, you’re calling bullshit but doi…
/r/MensRights12/02/21 02:03 PM
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You’re unaware of traditional gender roles? And the link between that and parental involvement / opinions?
/r/MensRights12/02/21 01:46 PM
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As in, in general, traditionally, women have more of a reason than men to have this view because generally they are taking on the nurture / caring role when the father doesn’t In the households where this toxicity is a thing, the men are the breadwinners and the women are he carers
/r/MensRights12/02/21 01:35 PM
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That tends to be how historical gender roles work, everyone is affected, wouldn’t this just be up to how it could be reflected in society? Considering the traditional stay-at-home mum role where the father is generally uninvolved giving less chance to be show gender bias
/r/MensRights12/02/21 10:56 AM
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Eh, you did sort of embarrass yourself there, at least their argument had some sort of genuine basis rather than pure emotion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 10:53 AM
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Does cognitive decline excuse what they’re doing though? Why should these women just grin and bear it when they can do something about it and try and stop the groping? There’s nothing wrong about venting frustrations, and it’s again naive to imply a majority of these elderly people are detached enough from realty to not know what they’re doing This behaviour shouldn’t be tolerated
/r/MensRights10/02/21 05:49 PM
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What’s wrong with how she’s reacting A woman is frustrated that creepy old men are sexually assaulting her and of all thing ways to react, you’re getting upset that she has the audacity to speak out against sexual assault? Are elderly people above the law? Do they not deserve any repercussions because they’re old? A free pass for degenerate behaviour for living a long time? And using deliberately flakey metaphors to try and send a already flakey message isn’t doing you any favours What is the is…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 04:36 PM
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Children are in different levels maturity wise compared to elderly people They will act out of innocence It’s naive to say elderly people are completely innocent in the situation, you keep falling back on one fantasy scenario as an excuse rather than acknowledging many old people are creeps who don’t care anymore living from an outdated sexist mindset / stance on women The care people don’t need to sit by and excuse sexual assault Also, the comparison made between spousal rape and this is not me…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 04:04 PM
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There’s scientific research that you could look up that affirms the idea that girls perform better at coursework It’s biology, nothing to do with teachers and biased marking in this context Girls generally pay better attention to detail, present the work better and meet the deadlines, none of which have anything to do with biased teachers You’re inflating a minor issue way bigger than it really is
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:53 PM
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So what, tolerate sexual assault? Instead of stepping in and potentially stopping it? And she isn’t equivocating the two, she’s comparing the idea that it’s something sign up for when you go into the business, which it isn’t It’s a comparison of two similar sexist notions with overarching similarities, not a baseline literal comparison
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:46 PM
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I don’t really get why this is something to get upset over Woman working in difficult industry faces abuse in the workplace and is frustrated that they get away with sexual abuse because they’re old Then takes about how isn’t of just letting it happen she will confront these people, What’s the issue?
/r/MensRights10/02/21 02:29 PM
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This seems more like a collection of relatively minor factors Aren’t you ignoring the core biological basis? Women tend to be able to focus longer, potentially due to hormonal differences between the two. This helps with revision and focus and ultimately how well they do The traditional type of work as well, girls tend to do better with coursework than boys It’s unreasonable to act as if the educational institution being against men is the sole cause of their underachievement when arguably biolo…
/r/MensRights10/02/21 10:09 AM
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What about all the American football examples There’s a story almost every other week of a college guy getting accused, generally attractive in shape guys. This directly contradicts op’s baseless strech that ‘it’s only sexual assault if the guys ugly’, it’s a ridiculous / pathetic attempt to stigmatise women as shallow with no actually basis to it Also, average isn’t the same as ugly, the original point was focusing on ‘unattractive men’
/r/MensRights03/02/21 05:30 PM
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Is it? Because that isn’t reflected in all the celebrity examples
/r/MensRights03/02/21 05:21 PM
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What does this have to do with men’s rights?
/r/MensRights03/02/21 05:11 PM
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Yet they were both still accused and generally accepted as abusers (initially for Depp) despite supposedly having some sort of pretty privilege This is genuinely just an incel fantasy, nothing more
/r/MensRights03/02/21 04:57 PM
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School American football stars? They tend to be attractive but don’t seem to be excluded from being allied abusers Or celebs like Jonny Depp or Chris Brown? What’s there to explore? The premise is baseless
/r/MensRights03/02/21 03:27 PM
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What, that attractive men don’t get accused of sexual harassment? Even through they clearly do and op is stretching
/r/MensRights03/02/21 01:39 PM
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Bit of a reach Quotes tend to be in... weirdly enough, quotation marks you’re just misinterpreting it
/r/MensRights02/02/21 11:07 PM
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Would I? There’s a difference between a child and a potential child, legally and arguably morally speaking, wanting a child to have a good future with unwanted parents through financial support doesn’t really point to anything on my thoughts on abortion
/r/MensRights31/01/21 11:29 PM
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I’m thinking about the baby here The innocent member being placed into an unfavourable situation Child support is a necessary evil to help these kids have a good quality of life all things considered (don’t have to be a father, can’t you just pay money?) And child support money is a hell of a lot less traumatising / of a commitment than being forced to go through an entire pregnancy, comparing the two as equals hurts your case
/r/MensRights31/01/21 04:16 PM
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his fault for slipping off the condom You see? It’s silly to use extreme outliers in something like this Sadly the law can’t always accommodate the tiny percentages, and the child is nonetheless still put in a financially difficult situation
/r/MensRights31/01/21 01:31 PM
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But the child is still left in a shitty situation with no parental figure and the possibility of struggling with funds That’s my main point, it’s the lesser of the two evils, and in many of these unwanted pregnancies it’s still gunna be due to people not using contraception, many countries still don’t have good enough sex Ed, it’s unrealistic to play it off as if all unwanted pregnancies are due to the rare contraception failures
/r/MensRights30/01/21 01:22 PM
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Abortion is also traumatic and not an option for many religious groups / pro-life people And even if it is inexpensive, statistically poorer people are more likely to have unwanted pregnancies, it’s not an insignificant price
/r/MensRights30/01/21 01:18 PM
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Is contraception a foreign concept?
/r/MensRights30/01/21 12:49 AM
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That doesn’t take away that both were irresponsible enough to create the life on the first place And again, the alternative is pushing a child into a single parent household without much financial support, child support is surely the lesser of the two evils
/r/MensRights29/01/21 11:48 PM
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Conception It’s is 100% 50/50 at conception, which is obviously what I’m talking about here, both parents were equally irresponsible when they had consensual unsafe sex and that unsafe sex produced a child
/r/MensRights29/01/21 11:17 PM
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It’s necessary in an overwhelming number of situations You shouldn’t be punishing a child because of irresponsible parents, Abandoning them is fine, but child support is needed for that child to have a better quality of life in most situations. If you don’t wanna pay child support don’t be stupid enough to have a kids with someone when you don’t want kids
/r/MensRights29/01/21 09:40 PM
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Is there really an alternative? Both parties are equally responsible for creating the unwanted life, through irresponsibility with contraception Is it really better to have that a child potentially grow up in a borderline dangerously poor environment depending on the situation or for the man to pay child support
/r/MensRights29/01/21 09:25 PM
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Who said I care if illegal abortions are dangerous? If a women tries to kill their baby I don't care if they hurt themselves. Not reflected by the law in the West so unlucky but you gotta again be realistic rather than emotional for this type of topic Is a potential baby’s life more valuable than a fully develop human life? You’re simply being unsympathetic because you’re trapped with the non-universal, I reflected by law opinion that abortion = murder And you are wrong about unwanted babies, th…
/r/MensRights29/01/21 01:52 PM
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This is purely an emotional take though It’s not being realistic yet alone actually fair The reality of the world today is that abortion is legal in the West and that isn’t changing, and even if it wasn’t women would take illegal more dangerous alternatives Why should something be a 50/50 decision when the physical and mental consequences are 90/10 if that regarding the woman? The potential child is both of theirs equally, but it’s disingenuous to act as if the decision should be 50/50, or compl…
/r/MensRights29/01/21 01:44 PM
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Okay, but the alternative is more dangerous illegal abortions and a shit tonne more unwanted unloved children It gets to a point where ‘pro-life’ feels less genuine
/r/MensRights29/01/21 12:45 PM
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I think it’s a little unfair to act as if an abortion is a 50:50 sort of thing here because it isn’t, or that a guy needs compensation? The woman is the one who has to actually get the procedure done, or the one who has to deal with the process of a full term pregnancy (hormones, physical and mental health ect) It’s pretty clear why woman has the ultimate decision, the decision has way more mental and physical baggage than it does for a dude
/r/MensRights29/01/21 12:40 PM

Again, working with generalisations, the common idea of FGM is that it’s based on the cultural African / Islamic traditions that result in sewing And even then, ur using the Sri Lankan examples? Often performed by unqualified practitioners with unspecified measurements of how deep the cut actually is, it’s pretty unspecific and malpractice isn’t uncommon Circumcision of any sort shouldn’t be encouraged outside of medical necessity, but if a person 18+ wants to make the decision to get a non barb…
/r/MensRights25/01/21 03:05 PM

When did I ever even imply that? Op’s comparison is shit Just answer my questions
/r/MensRights25/01/21 02:34 PM
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Sorry, but op’s comparison is disingenuous, you don’t need to compare FGM and MGM to make a case against MGM, it’s not a competition, they both suck, just in general the 3rd world FGM practices are more barbaric, pointing that out doesn’t devalue anything other than maybe your point if you try and directly compare the two If op’s making a generalised statement why wouldn’t I go to the generalised definition of MGM? Or if they’re not, why not point that out or make a distinction across countries …
/r/MensRights25/01/21 11:12 AM

Obviously not, but that’s a disingenuous example / comparison. Working by definitions circumcisions is widely known as taking off the foreskin, FGM is taking off the hood, going all the way to damaging / taking off the clitoris or seeing shit up Why would first world MGM not be relevant here? Why would the most common form not be at the very least the focus when talking generally about MGM like this post does? I’m not saying MGM is a good thing outside of medical necessity, I’m pointing out that…
/r/MensRights25/01/21 11:02 AM
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Baseline he ‘accidentally’ sexually harassed a woman By crime definition she is legally safe to accuse him of sexual battery, ‘nonconsensual sexual contact’, because again, by definition, he did commit sexual battery I think you’re getting hung up of the word itself rather than what it actually means, it sounds worse than it actually is ‘reckless touching of another person without consent’ I thought it was a little extreme too until I looked at the definition
/r/MensRights25/01/21 01:37 AM

To be realistic FGM is a lot more harmful than MGM, never really needed for medical reasons. And the equivalence of a finger being amputated and circumcision is exaggerated If an adult wants to lose sensation and risk comfort complications, why’s it your decisions whether they do that or not? If the argument is around informed consensual choices why is that not universally applied (Sorry Guys, I guess the general consensus about circumcision when talking in a generalised sense was wrong, I apolo…
/r/MensRights25/01/21 01:33 AM

By definition it is still sexual battery, you simply can’t tell, you’re just making assumption that she’s lying
/r/MensRights25/01/21 01:14 AM

Slapping and grabbing someone’s ass isn’t sexual? Does sexual orientation change something? Is it no longer unconsensual sexual contact?
/r/MensRights25/01/21 01:10 AM

What’s the issue Dude sexually harassed someone and faced the consequences
/r/MensRights25/01/21 01:04 AM
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It depends on the age range which could be confusing you but... ‘Males have been found to have a disproportionately lower rate of suicide attempts and an excessively higher rate of suicides compared to females’ link
/r/MensRights17/01/21 01:15 PM
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I don’t get it the post seems reasonable What’s the need to cry about women ‘not having money’
/r/MensRights14/01/21 01:47 PM
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But that’s changing as those gender roles that restricted women in the first place sort of deconstruct E.g men having the viable option of being stay at him dads when it was u heard of even 10 years ago in the West It’s a long process, gender roles still have too much influence, it’s just unhelpful to act as if no change is happening and that men are victims because... they struggle to get into relationships with employed women when they are unemployed (ignoring the negative connotations like ‘s…
/r/MensRights13/01/21 06:17 PM
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It’s on the decline, moreso in progressive countries As in more women are being prompted to live independently ect, less likely to simply live to marry and have a family, mainly because of gender roles becoming less important Obviously it’ll take a while for it to get more equal, men still dominate all the higher up positions, arguably due to the past of women not being socialised to aspire for those types of jobs when men were. It’s just about letting the new more equal generation in and the mo…
/r/MensRights13/01/21 03:30 PM
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Not really, any moderately recent trend will show you the stereotypical stay at home family structure is on the decline
/r/MensRights13/01/21 03:16 PM
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I feel like that vaguely undermines how much of a process and strain a full term pregnancy is Many women, especially young (and most likely to get into these types of situations) won’t be prepared to go through that strenuous process and due to the widely legal and protected existence of abortions, that’s a popular option It’s much much easier for a man to walk away from a pregnancy than it is for a woman, looking from a physical / vaguely mental perspective
/r/MensRights10/01/21 07:21 PM
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But the consequence is both take responsibility Both consent to sex, both run the risk of having a child, both are held accountable for the end result Doesn’t matter if in the end one party decides they don’t want it, it’s still their fault and responsibility for having most likely unprotected sex, it’s not the women’s fault that (assuming she doesn’t want the potential trauma / physical strain of a full unwanted pregnancy) she can abort wherein the father can just ignore it and pay child suppor…
/r/MensRights10/01/21 01:19 PM
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You think about the reasons why girls aren’t as interested in Lego’s or toy cars when compared with boys though? Something about upbringing and socialisation?
/r/MensRights07/01/21 02:51 PM
3

You watched it or just making assumptions?
/r/MensRights06/01/21 07:20 PM
0

You’re heavily overestimating the position of women in Indian society, child brides and the objecty culture sort of dominates the scene no?
/r/MensRights06/01/21 07:02 PM
4

No they wouldn’t stop fantasising about imaginary scenarios, shits embarrassing
/r/MensRights06/01/21 06:57 PM
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I mean, in India women are pretty much property so idk seems like ur reaching a little too far
/r/MensRights06/01/21 06:12 PM
1

The actions of the extreme minority that you play off as a norm to excuse ignorant / unrealistic views
/r/MensRights06/01/21 01:01 PM
0

Wdym instructed by mums if anything doesn’t that stereotype from from the dads, with the ‘man up’ talk, if a boy is crying the dad says ‘don’t cry’ as a form of discipline (since stereotypical in this toxic family structure the dad is the one disciplining) Also you’re misunderstanding feminism, you’re seeing the Reddit / extremist niche and losing touch, feminism by definition doesn’t subscribe to what you say it does What does this type of (debatably) manipulative language succeed in doing, it’…
/r/MensRights06/01/21 12:39 PM
0

The whole not being able to show emotions part is probably the most obvious Toxic expectations as well, dudes gotta be the breadwinner and certain jobs aren’t manly enough
/r/MensRights06/01/21 05:48 AM
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Terribly worded, meant to say the ‘toxic’ parts of masculinity are obvious, there’s a clear distinction, so the claim that it’s serving some sort of conditioning purpose is overexaggerating
/r/MensRights06/01/21 04:57 AM
2

Are there no ‘motherless’ children issues? Surely it works both ways, wouldn’t entirely make sense otherwise no?
/r/MensRights06/01/21 03:35 AM
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Okay but separating the two represents a misunderstanding of terms Toxic masculinity is still pretty defined, the counterproductive sexist expectations placed on men Seems like a bit of a stretch to assume this is some sort of scheme to attack men, considering pointing out the existence of genuine toxic expectations of masculine characteristics is actually productive in the equality corner Idk, just seems a bit far fetched and baseless or an overly dramatic response to misandrist ’feminists’
/r/MensRights06/01/21 01:18 AM
1

What about same sex families or extended families
/r/MensRights06/01/21 12:23 AM
9

Feel like ppl go overboard, promoting ideas of fighting back much harder against someone who is physically much much weaker Don’t hit anyone if you can avoid it, then use reasonable force, don’t floor a 5ft 4 girl because they slapped you or some shit
/r/MensRights06/01/21 12:17 AM
6

The biological approach is sort of rooted in sexist ideas tho, men aren’t suited for caregiving and therefore shouldn’t be the ones to do it, same situation for traditionally female jobs like nurses or teachers Don’t really see how it fits into a movement that tries to support equality
/r/MensRights05/01/21 11:49 PM
0

If it’s not toxicity surrounding traditional masculinity what is it? Or does the term mean something different
/r/MensRights05/01/21 11:39 PM
6

Not reall the importance of fathers at all This post highlights the importance of equality, the op’s parents come across as sexist and unapologetic to any men related issues rather than the issue lying in gay parents / lack of male role model The ideal is gender norms get deconstructed a bit so kids can talk to either parent about anything, not shame for either side
/r/MensRights29/12/20 05:34 PM
1

Wierd yes but they have to be that way in order to protect the most amount of kids from predators They’re often seemingly strict and unfair because they have to be, there can’t be wiggle room for predatory behaviour or else more people would get away with it
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:48 PM
1

And that’s an issue with a double standard in society that is slowly being changed now, unlucky but that doesn’t change that op’s friends is an idiot and/or pedophile for trading pics before asking for age ect and not clocking that the person is 12 And at least for the more progressive of people the child would absolutely be seen as a victim
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:21 PM
2

Using age alone is the bests most generalisable / fair measure we have in order to protect the most children from sexual assault, that’s all there is to it The average maturity level and vulnerability / room for manipulation is too great a risk, this law protects more people than it hurts
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:17 PM
0

Yea but in this scenario op’s friend is 16 and the victim is a 11/13 year old girl
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:12 PM
1

Unusual for the underage child to be the manipulator in this type of situation, seems very unlikely and very poorly judged by op’s friend if that’s true
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:09 PM
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Garbage comparison At 21 they are legally an adult, they’re mature and responsible for hemsleves 12/13 year olds are not mature, they are mentally incapable a lot of the time of fully processing / understanding the weight / impacts of certain actions. Especially so for sexual scenarios, shit can damage children, they’re mentally vulnerable as well as easily manipulated into something more serious The laws exist to protect children, the argument here is op’s friend didn’t ask her age and turns ou…
/r/MensRights28/12/20 08:03 PM
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Nothing to do with being lied to, op’s friend just never asked
/r/MensRights28/12/20 07:49 PM
2

Women attempt suicide more though Men just choose more violent methods a majority of the time
/r/MensRights24/12/20 11:06 PM
2

How can you not support an innate sexuality? That’s nothing more than simply unfair / unjust
/r/MensRights24/12/20 11:02 PM
1

It’s because of the incredibly toxic work culture / ethic they have with the salaryman providing for his family, it’s not about following dreams / feelings its about making money Also doesn’t change that women are also pretty much property in Japan, it’s very backwards in that respect and it’s unrealistic not to acknowledge that
/r/MensRights23/12/20 03:04 AM
1

Yes... people who believe in equal rights tend to oppose toxic and weighted mentalities that breed sexist standards for both men and women
/r/MensRights23/12/20 02:53 AM
1

I think you’re issue is you don’t understand that It’s not a competition When people talk about 1 issue that doesn’t mean they don’t know / care about the other issue shits like saying ‘All Lives Matter’, just shows you aren’t fully reading the social situation b butting in with ‘M-Men have issues too!!!!’, it devalues the main point, bring it up in a separate context next time
/r/MensRights23/12/20 02:46 AM
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How do you even get this far down the rabbit hole, shits pathetic dude come on, you’re embarrassing yourself. Over a fake post as well lmao
/r/PussyPassDenied15/11/20 05:34 PM
1

Fuck man, you had me for a while to be fair, you rlly got the believable mind-numbingly ignorant/stupid act down to a rhythm
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 10:55 PM
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The more I look at ur profile the more I’m convinced It’s gotta be a bait, no one is this stupid Sexist but also a Climate change denier? Either a genuine respectable bait or just someone waaaaay to deep in their own insecurities with nothing better to do than cry about how unfair their life is whilst tearing down anyone they can’t comprehend the feelings of which, as it turns out, is a lot of people Ffs, And racist and Homophobic, I fell for it, fair fucking play, well thought out bait, rlly to…
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 10:32 PM
0

Hmmm NO. What's stopping women today with affirmative action to get any job they want or to study any field they want. Social pressure / social norms carried on from the past to a lesser extent. Women growing up and socialised in an environment where they are pushed towards nursing or teaching jobs because their entire childhoods were geared away from the technical side. ‘Girl’ toys aren’t as technical as ‘boys’ toys, that directly channels into hobbies and aspirations people get later on in lif…
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 10:29 PM
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No? It’s because they are socialised into picking such toys? The stereotypical caretaker role, the focus on fashion and beauty overwhelmingly targeting women, Hell look at any kids toys adverts or specific kids sections at clothes stores and they are heavily gendered. Girls don’t just choose girly shit, they are socialised into picking that stuff What part of being a woman makes them intrinsically crave pink and sparkles over boys? Biologically speaking which is the stance you’re trying to take …
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 10:15 PM
0

So no, there isn’t any sort of study or research, just an observation which conveniently leaves out the parts where women were placed at a lower social status until recent years which could have potentially contributed to the lack of organisations headed by women The gender roles where women, up until recently but still for some, stay at home as the breadwinner male goes out and makes the money You’re trying really hard to ignore the history of society as male dominated and the semi present afte…
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 08:45 PM
3

There some sort of study that points to women wanting stuff handed to them or was that just a personal stroke of genius?
/r/PussyPassDenied12/10/20 04:44 PM
1

Well it’s a valid vaguely understandable reason There are seemingly no other motives so euthanasia makes sense Either that or / as well as intense stress and mental strain on the person
/r/PussyPass11/06/19 03:08 PM
1

Because op is misleading everyone Other commenter said: https://www.reddit.com/r/PussyPass/comments/bzcee2/new_malden_killer_mom_to_be_spared_murder_verdict slightly different as she was euthanising the children due to genetic diseases when youth in Euthanasia* in the UK
/r/PussyPass11/06/19 02:35 PM
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I mean, give the women something They’ve got it rlly tough in India
/r/PussyPass03/06/19 11:04 AM
4

They’re the same thing at different stages of development Admittedly, it’s like comparing an egg to a chicken but ey, they can twist it however they want to push the agenda of ‘murder’
/r/PussyPassDenied08/05/19 09:35 PM
1

Fair play
/r/PussyPassDenied03/03/19 10:26 PM
6

Imagine using faggot as an insult And not even using it right Fuck off you toxic twat
/r/PussyPassDenied03/03/19 10:03 PM
7

Not quite how it works
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 08:05 AM
1

You could have got an argument if you didn’t make rash claims making you come across as immature and stupid
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 11:43 PM
2

You lost any credibility you had after calling me a commie
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 11:37 PM
2

Maybe we should just agree that everything in the world is pretty shitty and that we just gotta deal with it
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:51 PM
1

What’s on the brink of collapse, I think media from both countries are emphasising the shit out of external affairs, European news focusing way to much on Trump and American news blowing up shit on migrants and freedom of speech. It’s all a shit show and nothing is that trustworthy and everything is being emphasises way to much it’s silly I don’t even know how Europe is on the brink of collapse and I live here
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:49 PM
3

I mean, you could bring up the weak argument that if no one had guns in the first place there would be way less problems but that’s kinda pointless since nothing will change. You make a good point tbh
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:41 PM
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I Should have pushed that it’s really easy to get guns in America seeing as most of these kids has parents with guns and in Europe it’s rlly hard Also you pointed it 1 European shooting On average there has been a school shooting once a week in America in 2018 so far
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:37 PM
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The thing is in Europe mentally unstable kids cant get hold of guns so the laws work pretty well
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:28 PM
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How are the schools holding up? Ahumnmmmmm
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 10:27 PM
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Weird seeing as there are basically 0 gun deaths each year in Europe, hmmmmmm
/r/MGTOW09/08/18 07:42 PM
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