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I think calling them the Left is what distills the term and shifts the Overton Window more and more Right. The Left has an implicit drive towards equality and misandry isn't that. It's also worth noting that very often the misandrist crowd are quite specifically wealthy or middle class, college educated white women with very little to say about Capitalism so they're Neoliberals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 09:44 PM
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Equality looks like no one having any particular 'natural' or unearned privilege, not different people having a privilege than the people who've been privileged in the past. This is a fact that people - and I hate to say it, but especially Americans - utterly hate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 10:19 PM
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One of the similarities between the Democrats and Republicans is that neither of them are the 'friends' of men, but one of the key differences is that the Republicans at least pretend to be friends with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 10:17 PM
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We need to move away playing into the Neoliberal/Right Wing trend of calling identity politics 'leftist'. Was Hillary Clinton a 'Lefist'? No. Are huge corporations who champion this stuff 'Lefitst'? Absolutely not. They're the antithesis. If Leftism concerns itself with equality and fairness over hierarchy, it simply cannot exclude Class, and a lot of takes that involve Identity Politics do exactly that. Just because the dominant party opposed to the Extreme Right in the USA is in opposition, do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:08 AM
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He makes some good points that are mangled up with his ideology. The pressure to 'be manly' and do those things that - frankly - women of all political and ideological persuasions find either too dirty, dangerous or 'masculine' to do themselves is what creates these Conservative dudebros that are 'a dime a dozen', while the women chase fewer and fewer men who are - basically - lucky enough to not have to compete to be all the things that 'make a man', but have also somehow fallen more on the sid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:03 AM
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Apparently watching other people 'fail' is #femaleempowerment, and yet it's 'men' who created this world that's hellbent on being viciously competitive. Seems kind of hypocritical that others' failures automatically mean your success, but ok. I'd expect nothing less from Neoliberals to be honest. They're basically Right Wingers who laud 'the hierarchy' while pretending to hate it in order to claim some sort of moral high ground on the Left. They don't hate extreme hierarchies and the tyranny and…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/26 09:25 AM
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Then they're not really Left Wing. It'd be like if a bunch of Christians went around declaring themselves Christian except for the fact that this didn't believe that Christ was the son of god and only cherry-picked the bits of his teachings they liked. Would anybody let those people define what Christianity is? I don't think so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 01:26 PM
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This is completely by design. The Left is the Left, defined by ideological concepts. It concerns itself with power being distributed more equitably as opposed to a Right Wing which lauds hierarchy. There's been an attempt to cast people like Feminists and people more interested in identity politics as 'The Left', but if 'The Left' defines itself by concepts like equal rights, it can't just ignore arguably the most significant inequality out there just because it benefits so many people in that f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 09:18 AM
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Right, but that requires correctly identifying who's oppressor and oppressed and to what extent something is 'oppression' or not. Also those are two words that can just be exchanged with the Right Wing expressions of 'Freedom/Liberty' versus 'Commie Tyranny'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 08:59 AM
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What's Left Wing about shitting on working class men, exactly?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/26 10:44 PM
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People would defend him because of all the reasons I listed, I think. It's not about a persons actions and choices, it's about teams, sides, demographics and point-scoring. You will absolutely find people who'll still witlessly defend "Bob the Rapist" even though they know he's a villain and that rape is wrong, but because of some weird, essentialist belief that they simply must downplay or deny every bad thing men do being highlighted because they need to defend against overwhelming misandry. B…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/26 04:05 PM
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Did he make that call before or after sleeping with her? I thought it was after, but I saw the film a little while ago and can't quite recall. If it was before you're absolutely right though, and I'm just misremembering. I think I recall people telling me about how awful that scene is because the expression on her face tells you that she's trapped in there and not fully into it, meaning it's one of the first clues you get that this is what's happened, and I seem to remember it being part of thei…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/26 03:54 PM
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That's not a great way to judge. Watch the film.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/26 02:47 PM
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Hmmm, yes and no. I mean there's no indication that supernatural shit is any more real in that film than it is in this world, so would 'Oh, my wish must have worked' be any sane persons first, real thought? Especially given what's happening (someone being really into someone else) isn't outside the realms of the possible without magic wishing sticks. I sort of agree that he should have done more to find out, but at that point I think he was unsure and the woman he thought he loved was in front o…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/26 02:45 PM
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I'm with you here. I am not of the opinion Misandry doesn't exist and isn't fairly prevalent in society, but these guys are exhibiting the perpetual-victim mindset they claim that the everyday misoj crowd are addicted to. Honestly. It's starting to feel like two groups of people are trying to out-parody one another in how they see their chosen boogeyman everywhere. Yes misandry exists, but yes, Bear was the villain and it was tied to his insecurities. He made awful choices, and it doesn't matter…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/26 02:42 PM
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Context is the enemy of the the solipsistic.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/26 08:50 AM
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This isn't really misandry, it says 'me and my husband', not 'men and women' Sure, a bunch of women will share it with the intention of being misandrists, but they can be safely ignored as terrible people.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/26 08:49 AM
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We're supposed to believe that 'being an unattractive man' isn't being criminalised, and stuff like this exists.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/06/26 11:31 AM
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Came here to say this. Conservative propaganda rag.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/06/26 08:12 AM
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Report the Instagram page for what it is - hate speech.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/06/26 08:54 AM
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The problem with the stats is that they undermine everyone's arguments that one gender is doing it 'more', or at least put extremists in positions where they're forced to contradict themselves minute-to-minute in order to prop their bigotry up. For instance: people will point out that women 'do it more' and if they have stats to support that argument, certain women will say 'Well obviously because we're the ones who look after kids more, so it'll skew the numbers!' But for some reason that logic…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/26 09:44 AM
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'girl, been there'. Yeah. Sure you have.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 08:55 AM
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Unfortunately there's always someone foolish enough. This sort of shit can be discouraged by these women not being picked, but I think a lot of men are just too desperate, and really shouldn't be. Same works the other way, too. Women could discourage a lot of behaviour by not picking certain men.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/06/26 11:37 AM
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Sorry, which sub?
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/26 08:55 AM
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See, I wouldn't mind the training, but being forced into the army is pretty barbaric.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/26 04:57 AM
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Which sub, where?
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/26 04:56 AM
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I find in interesting how many people in life believe (or in most cases I think pretend to believe) that the key to fighting the 'oppressive power' they say they are a victim of, is to become an oppressive power themselves. Almost as if power over others, rather than liberation, is actually the goal.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/04/26 10:37 AM
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The kind of impositions placed on men and women BY men and women alike simply wouldn't exist if it wasn't something of a two way street. Harmful gender norms are like tension in a rope - it's only staying tight and not changing because two roughly equal forces are pulling in opposing directions, not because one force dictates everything. If men (codified as 'patriarchy') really had all the power, there'd be fuck all wrong with being a man. 'The Patriarchy hurts men too', thus doesn't make much s…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/26 12:40 PM
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My first thought was that this would make men - who are already fairly hesitant to see Therapists when they need to - even more reluctant to speak to someone about their mental health issues. I imagined my son, struggling, seeing something like this. If I'm lucky enough to get to see a therapist because I fucking hate myself and am depressed, I don't need to imagine that the person who's supposed to be there to help me has some fucking Jezebel-level take about the words coming out of my mouth. A…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/04/26 12:57 PM
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I complained about this in the so-called 'mens lib' sub where it was posted, so they temporarily banned me for 'violating the rules'. Then when I pointed out that if I'd violated the rules, then so had the OP in the original article (which he had. Three by my count) I got permanently banned. Talk about the world's biggest misnomer of a sub.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/04/26 12:54 PM
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Everything about this meme seems wrong and probably made up. A "husband stitch" at a C-Section? That doesn't make sense. Also when your child's being born via C-section it's a fairly emotional moment for the parents and it's a day at work for the people delivering. There's very little room for Tumblr-level repartee.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/02/26 08:14 AM
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No, it isn't news, not anymore. Even the links they provide as 'sources' in this article just links to other Telegraph articles. Where the Far Right have gone off the rails unfortunately all the publications that helped them get there have followed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 06:23 AM
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Is there a source for this that isn't a Right Wing propaganda machine like the Telegraph? Even the links within this article which they use as 'sources' just link to... other Telegraph articles. Not that this is necessarily untrue, but the Torygraph ain't news and ain't reliable and regularly skews information.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/25 06:20 AM
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Nah. It's definitely a weird affectation, sorry, and it does seem a bit dog-whistley when the likes of Tate use it. Also it's an incredibly 'cold' almost scientific way of describing another person, but honestly that only reinforces everyone's suspicions about it's use. Just say 'women'. Or don't. But this isn't misandry.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/08/25 01:18 PM
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It's frustrating to see genuine concerns muddled in with bullshit. It hurts your argument, and hurts our ability to agree with you where you should be agreed with without having to caveat it with 'But you're talking fucking nonsense here, here and here'. Stop trying to have your cake and eat it, too if you REALLY want to have a discussion about fairness and equality. It's not a zero sum game that requires you trying to say that men forced into dying in wars is somehow still worse for women. If y…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/07/25 03:26 PM
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Ok, I'll go with you for a moment, and give you the benefit of assuming you're asking this question in good faith. What benefit do you see in making what you're describing a reality? Even if you're right (and I'd argue that you are - there's a historical precedent for misogyny that exists across numerous cultures although it's certainly to do with more than simply 'man bad!' or it wouldn't have persisted) and it's never been the reality before, why would making it the reality be a solution to th…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/07/25 03:17 PM
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Well based on what we're told, all woman everywhere are constantly being harassed by gross men, so the answer according to the people who say this is the reality is: 'So much attention that it's gotten excessively out of hand'. Or is the former scenario an exaggeration that needs to be addressed? Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:25 AM
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Red and Blue pill united in horsehoe. It feels inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:07 PM
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Society was a vastly different shape in that era.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:01 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:01 PM
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This jumps to so many conclusions that reduces women to a monolith. Men just know if the guy was open to LTR then the girl would have absolutely chosen the other guy not him. You're assuming this is just the default scenario. You really think women don't sometimes just want the hookups? Or that they might not have found the right dude yet (that dude being you?) My ex went through a hookup phase, and when we eventually got together she admitted it's because she liked me and I'd been in a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:00 AM
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Yep. You've blown this post out of the water, even though OP's probably arguing in good faith. At the end of the day, OP is forced to admit that either their premise is flawed, or that third wave Feminism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:45 PM
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I can't overstate the importance of men having friends. Decent friends too and - critically - female friends, who you either don't want to date, or did want to date once, it never happened, and now you're great friends. I'm married with kids. I have a handful of female friends I might've dated once upon a time, but for various reasons it never happened. I am beyond glad. My wife and kids are wonderful, and dating these women would have ruined us and destroyed our friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 08:02 PM
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I think you're completely right with your wish, more men need this. I think you're a bit misguided with the belief that it's just for 'fucks' though. Honestly as enjoyable as sex is, I think for a lot of the lonelier men out there (who've basically been trained to believe that they're disgusting) are really after the implied 'approval' or acknowledgement sex brings with it. If you can 'get a woman to have sex with you', suddenly you're a more 'acceptable' kind of man, and not just to other men b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:58 PM
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You're half right. The problem is that men are told to examine and 'check' themselves, particularly when what they unthinkingly want could negatively affect women. The opposite is not true. Women 'getting what they want' is sort of uncritically seen as the opposition to women not being granted the freedoms men traditionally have. Suddenly though, you can't tell women to appraise their own thoughts, feelings, wants etc. with a more critical eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:31 PM
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even if it’s true It's not though, and believing in it is no doubt contributing to the toxicity you seem to feel. That's not to say that there are not crumbs of truth in there, but these 'genders are a monolith' movements will only ever take those little seeds of truth and use them to build a shitty worldview that's based on little more than feelings and in a lot of cases bigotry. The so-called 'manosphere' is probably the absolute pinnacle of that MO, honestly. Obviously this won't ring true to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:53 AM
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I'd say get out of the USA if you can. These problems are particulaly pronounced there and have been getting slowly worse over the decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:32 PM
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He is common. I think that's kind of the ongoing issue. He's common so he doesn't stand out, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:30 PM
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Why are you responding to an argument I didn't make? I said that meeting the standards of what counts as fit now generally necessitates being at the gym all the time. I never said this precluded men from being in relationships if it didn't happen. Now, the men in those relationships being seen to not meet an obscene "standard?" Sure. We have numbers supporting that, and what men are doing to their bodies in order to meet this is a pretty well recognised phenomenon in contemporary society... but …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:28 PM
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Men who discuss masculinity or how to navigate feminist society (e.g., Tate)? Utter horseshit. If any of what you're saying is right, Tate is part of the proble.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:14 PM
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The internet has opened up a world of possibilities and with it the false premise that perfection is out there somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:12 PM
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It’s attractive to be fit. It’s not attractive if your whole life is about going to the gym. I mean sure, in a sensible, well-rounded world, yes. For most people, though, simply 'being fit' in the eyes of your preferred mate necessitates always being at the gym. I know that's not ideal, but life's not ideal for the vast majority of people, and that seems to be the hardest pill of all for people (and I have to point out the elephant in the room: by people I mostly mean Americans) to swallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:10 PM
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Oh, really? What contradictory advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:06 PM
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Sort of. It's eugenics and social darwinism, designed to keep you out of the gene pool. Which is gross and toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:05 PM
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The 'men are stronger' has been a redundant answer to a lot of things for a very long time right now. I'm starting to think it's more wish fulfilment for both genders rather than reality (and the insanity of gym culture definitely bears this out) but it's just such a weak stop sign for context when things like drugs, weapons and - well - straight up circumstances can render a man's super manly, oh-so-sexy muscles just straight up fucking useless. And what about scrawny just-of-age boys? Would th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:12 AM
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Because they're 'unattractive' mysoginists?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:49 AM
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Of course. This doesn't mean we should lean into the issues with an existing system and treat it like a religion, to the extent that we just entirely ignore all of the blindspots it has. That's the world we're currently living in. Capitalism is in everything, and the Free Market is treated like the answer to everything. It's not. People suggesting areas of life which Capitalism should either leave alone or not be adhered to so fervently doesn't mean people are calling for outright Socialism, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:59 PM
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He's nostalgic about having a partner. I think this is true of men OR women, and you'd be shocked at how people romanticise a partner they - nonetheless - describe as insane narcissists. These people gaslight you, and create fantasies of your perfect relationships that still linger in your memories as if they were real. It's horrible, but it happens to men, too!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:06 AM
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I think this is true in terms of bio essentialism, but in terms of what's societally acceptable we create different allowances, rules and support networks for men and women that are impacting how people are treated. Men are in a strange position right now. Ultimately it's become completely socially unacceptable to be undesirable to women, or even to make peace with that and choose the life of a bachelor. There doesn't seem to be a broadly accepted 'strong, single, independent woman' role for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:03 AM
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'Come to terms with'? Nah mate. Men are trained to be like this, then socially ostracised by women and sometimes other men if they choose to 'go their own way'.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:37 AM
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Yes. With a modicum of discipline backed up by reflective thought and insight, people can indeed alter their subconscious. See: Human Civilisation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:23 AM
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You said 'there's a lot of mischaracterisation', before going on to highlight one small section of what I wrote that... doesn't mischaracterise what you said in the slightest anyway, just asks you to explain lumping 'the Far Left' in with Feminism... which is something you did in your very first response, clear as day. I understand that asking you to think critically and approach subjects with context and nuance might he triggering, but if you're in a glass house, maybe don't go throwing stones.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:19 AM
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Impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:18 PM
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>I think there is an element of mean-spiritedness to it but I also think a lot of this rhetoric is coming from feminists of the… very far-left wing persuasion. What makes these Feminists 'very Far Left'? What about their feminism has anything to do with ownership of the means of production, or redistribution of wealth and power in general? Most Working Class people are men - by a fair margin - so how does that make Feminism (which is popular with Neoliberal Capitalism, as evidence by how much Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:17 PM
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I mean the whole point of these double-standards are to be able to use moral impositions as a double-edge weapon depending on whether the person approaching you meets your standards of attractiveness. It's the height of privilege to try and demonise - or worse criminalise - the 'wrong' kind of person approaching you while simultaneously insisting that you must be approached nonetheless. How are people supposed to work with that? The answer is they're not. It's just a form of Social Darwinism. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:02 PM
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This is an insane take. Currency - actual cold hard cash - is dominant. Or are you suggesting that eating food and having a roof over your head is less important than getting a date? Neoliberal Capitalism at work, people. Making you fight culture wars instead of class wars.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 05:10 AM
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But women are generally on the apps looking for LTRs Then I guess they're losing out too, then, because increasingly the apps are (and are going to be) filled with that 20% of men who are mostly looking to get laid. There's simply no benefit to average guys being on them. In fact I think it's a largely negative experience for them, and I think those men are waking up to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 05:08 AM
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Gosh there are enough strawmen here to keep all of my fields safe from vermin. Have a well-earned downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:21 PM
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Except of course that the 'systemic' nature of the Patriarchy as described... is just saying 'men did this to themselves' but with extra steps. Nah. The reason these systems persist is because for equality (or as close to it as we can hope to get) to be achieved, everyone needs to take steps against willingly and uncritically (of themselves, we all seem to have PLENTY of criticism for the 'other') participating in things being as they are, and it hasn't happened because everyone stands to lose a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 10:47 AM
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'less religious', well yes. That's far less gendered than you're making out, and that's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 07:48 AM
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Well according to those stats people are seeing and being exposed more to the latter than the former. Why? You'd think if the movement wanted to be known more for the former, that's what they'd platform.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 06:44 AM
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The normalization of these crazies is a concerted effort to take attention away from the fact that increasingly our ability to meet our basic needs (food, shelter, health) are being sold off to the highest bidder. It's kind of a perfect storm, really, because invective like the sort these people peddle is incredibly evocative, and it gets people's attention, but it's also wildly destructive. It's like giving a megaphone to the people shouting 'fire' in a crowded theatre, and the people handing o…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/05/25 11:46 AM
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The person you're responding to doesn't think so. There are plenty of people out there who just think that the victims of the so-called 'gender wars' are what's wrong, rather than sexism itself.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/05/25 08:56 PM
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Lot's of people use partners as placeholders. It's disgusting. It shouldn't be overlooked, however, that in contemporary western society it's become acceptable for women to do this to men, and doubly-unacceptable for men to do it to women. This is wrong. The action is where the wrongness of this is, not 'who' the target of that action is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 10:06 AM
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Right? I guess if you're going to strawman then making the scarecrow look really funny is the least you can do for those who have to endure the association. I think the handful of times a male in my vicinity has talked even vaguely like this, all the other guys in my group have thought he was a complete prick. I guess if we're strawmanning though I can employ equally useless arguments like 'pick better men!'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:42 AM
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Yep and this is wrong. OP's point is that the answer to it isn't just 'change the target so it's convenient to us now', but for some reason that's seen as a controversial position.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:37 AM
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You said it yourself, we don't have the relevant context, so basically horribly biased men are trying to shoehorn a narrative into the situation that suits them... and your response is not that doing this is wrong, it's just the narrative they're trying to shoehorn that's the wrong one. Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:37 AM
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You’re twisting outliers into a narrative that justifies your bitterness. It's worth reading that back and thinking hard about it the next time ANY IdPol ideology tries to get you to hate or condemn an entire gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:08 PM
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It's not always that straightforward though, obviously. It's quite useful having someone who'll do anything you ask and treat you like the love of their life without you having to reciprocate, so some women (because women are human beings too, which means they're also capable of being selfish and awful, just like men!) will definitely keep you 'hanging on' without telling you they 'just want to be friends' because that'll break the spell. You're in the friendzone under the false auspices that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:35 AM
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I know, the response is deranged: 'I don't believe it'. It's plenty of mens actual, lived experience. Whether you believe it or not is utterly meaningless to reality, but it's her loss at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:36 AM
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I mean great lengths have been gone to in order to 'retrain' what men are attracted to, lots of 'Oh, afraid to see REAL women are you?' when a guys' fanservice gets replaced (while women's fanservice continues unabated and if men's body issues are anything to go by, are actually just getting more ridiculous) for being problematic. I think the root of this sub is people's problem with fact that we've ALL reached a point where we think dating will continue as normal when we all think we deserve to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:35 PM
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Objectification IS a thing. Sometimes people DO treat the other badly, not caring for their internal experience. But sooooo many times it is brought up purely based on assumptions and vibes in the context of men's complaining. I think it goes beyond sex and sexuality, too, and it makes it kind of baffling that it's the way it's most regularly used. I think I heard the term 'instrumentalism' once, when referring to the movie Metropolis, and how it depicted the workers being reduced down to mere i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 01:03 PM
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It's sad how everything's been turned into a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 05:45 PM
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Not true. Dating for me was bad in my teens, got really hard in my early 20's, was GREAT in my early 30's, and I imagine if I got divorced now in my 40's as a man, would be terrible. It tends to follow life patterns, rather than just getting 'worse'. My unpopular opinion is that the answer to: 'who has the advantage in dating, men or women?' is answered with 'it depends at what stage in your life you're at'. No. If you're trying to argue this from a biological/cultural perspective, women prefer …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:28 AM
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So scientific! People complain endlessly about all the OkCupid data, that was basically information captured on a grand scale from people who didn't know they were being observed... but this? This is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 04:47 AM
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You're both so lost. It's sad really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:41 AM
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A lot of governments and movements 'get away' with enacting unjust policies by bringing one gender down to the level of another's problems, rather than elevating both. It's still technically 'equality', but they know that they can stoke the fires of emnity to put people in situations where they're more useful for the powerful while those same people turn their ire towards one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 07:37 AM
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You need to revisit your definition of Leftist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:25 PM
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The opposite. Unaddressed Misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/25 08:02 PM
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jk Rowling, old school liberals would have attacked her ideas, but would never have thought of cancelling her or silencing her. She hasn't been cancelled (they're making yet more media based on her crappy books), she hasn't been silenced (we have to listen to her anti-trans shit nonstop) and people do nothing but attack her ideas. The most utterly stupid thing, though, is that based on the title of your post you could have argued that Rowling's TERF-y ways are based on third wave feminism's "hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 06:15 PM
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Yeah, it's lazily manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 05:39 AM
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It's not even clear which bit you're talking about. 'Most of you are', too. You just get away with it, and by your own logic are just as responsible for us as we are for you. Annoying how being fair and just works, isnt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 09:05 PM
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you get out what you put into the system So do you. So with all of the damning things being said about men, the problem can't simply and solely be that 'men are doing it to themselves'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:14 PM
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Sounds to me like the problem's unchecked Capitalism, then. Begs the question why men and women are being encouraged to attack one another instead, and more damning, why we're falling for it so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:12 PM
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People's caveman brains find them 'hot'. That's one of the unfortunate reasons they're still around. A lack of self-reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 07:10 PM
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That works both ways though, so given all of the negative discourse on how awful men are... yikes, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:53 PM
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Always remember: The contemporary conversation around gender is 'Gender norms for thee, but not for me'. Everyone wants to have their cake and eat it, too, even though we all know how damaging and off-the-rails those roles can be when they go completely unexamined and their relevance is downplayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:51 PM
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TRP seems to vascilate between being about 'accepting' how shitty dating and strict gender dynamics are because they seem like they're "natural" (which is a pinnacle example of Appeal to Nature if ever I saw one, as well as being a very simplistic story) and being a retaliation against the perceived hatred against men spread by third wave feminism. So the argument goes that third wave isn't about equality, but about hating and subjagating men... which is interesting, because third wave would arg…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:13 PM
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As a very non traditional woman (and older than most of the folks here) it's a little hard for me to understand why so many of you cling to this traditional masculine role, which mostly seems to make y'all miserable? This is one of the things that punts me into the Purple a bit, I have to say. It's not men pointlessly 'clinging' to something that makes them miserable for no reason. Does that make any sense when you really interrogate it? Why on earth would we? Men and Women both contribute to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:48 AM
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Yep yep. This. Sort of. I don't think the sexual aspect simply allows men to distance themselves from a desire for emotional aspects (I think men desire emotional connection and aren't trying to deny that to themselves for no reason), as much as it is that having sex makes you, as a 'real man', feel like you've fulfilled something that both validates your identity entitles you to the opportunities for the kinds of emotional and romantic connections you also desire. Phew, women like me enough to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:33 AM
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The problem is trying to force everything through the rough lens of gender where it isn't appropriate. There are only two reasons to do that: One, you're mistakenly looking at something as gendered when it isn't (the whole of violence), or two you're intentionally trying to do exactly what you're accusing me of doing: dismissing people exactly based on their gender by saying 'Men don't know what this is like because they're monsters, why isn't our safety default!' Why isn't everyone's safety def…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:38 AM
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You haven't 'fed a troll', you've just failed to respond to my point in any way. Come on. Have at it please.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/25 08:20 AM
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But in 90% of the cases, their murdered is another man. Yes. Yes I covered that when I said 'the ones that do the killing and dying'. Men - whether they want to or not, and many aren't stupid, so they don't 'want to' - are expected to perform the violence inherent in human nature. We need to show (women AND other men, so no, not just men) that we can fight and die precisely because we're assumed to 'have less value'. That's an appeal to nature mind you. Not everything 'natural' is automatically …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:11 AM
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But nor is men's safety 'default'? Dudes die more at everyone's hands than anyone else. I think you could argue that society in general is geared towards keeping people safe, although as we watch that change (potentially ahead of upcoming wars and conscription) it's men whose value as 'the ones that do the killing and dying' that's accelerating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:28 AM
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Frothing spittle! Hilarious stuff. Can you actually address anything I've brought up though? You say it's a 'strawman' (wipe the zealous fervor from your eyes and learn what words mean), but I'm just sarcastically pointing out things that haven't happened Are you trying to say they have happened? When? Where?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 07:24 AM
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It's such a miscarriage of justice what happened to him when he said he wasn't going to refer to someone by their preferred pronouns. Purely Orwellian. I'll let you tell it though, please, go ahead. I know Peterson would but he was 'cancelled' though, and appears on no platforms, sells no books and languishes unknown in a Candian jail cell for his misdemeanour, so they really left him with no voice at all. Wait, who are we even talking about? They did such a good job we wouldn't know who he even…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 10:19 PM
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Your post was an opportunity to say why my premise was wrong, so if I've failed, you've failed even more embarrassingly, with added ideological language to just really undermine your own point, while simultaneously - hilariously - trying to tell others that they're engaging in Orwellian behaviour. Luckily for you I've provided evidence. Once you've had a look, you can also go and read Nineteen Eighty-Four, so that it's not just an empty word you throw around because someone else in your dorm tol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 08:46 PM
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Cultural Marxism 1 Cultural Marxism 2 Behind the Bastards the episode is called.... Jordan Peterson.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 08:32 PM
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Christ, you could re-hull a warship with all that irony.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 08:26 PM
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His whole premise of "Cultural Marxism" is categorically wrong, and may even be a revival of the idea of Cultural Bolshevism, which you should look up. There are also a fair number of decent videos dismantling his ethos, as well as good coverage of him on the Podcast 'Behind the Bastards'. Ultimately he is about repackaging (particulaly the US) increasingly extremist status quo, and being sesquipedalian in an effort to act like he's arrived at his point via intellectualism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 05:27 PM
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old-fashioned finger-waving protestant moralism This is it. He's selling the status quo back at people who see any kind of critique of it as an affront to them, and dressing it up as either 'rebellion' or 'rationality', depending on who he's trying to court. The message 'You must pull yourself up by your bootstraps, because every good and bad thing that happens in your life is YOUR fault, and is in no way systemic' is like the white noise of the entire cultural conversation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/25 05:20 PM
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This is every ideology that has left space for hate, fear and prejudice to fester to be honest. Those elements get amplified because they tickle our amygdala and make people quick, easy, dirty money. I think nothing is more telling about how much men and women need one another than the fact that the ideologies that talk about what it is to be 'men' or 'women', both spend so much of their time talking about the 'other' gender, and in our contemporary way of being, shovels so much opportunistic ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:30 PM
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This is very true, although the older I get, the more I realise what a time limit there is to that privilege. Honestly I think if any one gender had the Ultimate Advantage it wouldn't create the kind of push and pull that exists and has prevented base dating norms from ever really changing. If one gender was on top all the time, the imbalance would just tip the scales and no one would date anymore... ....which is sort of what a lot of people are suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 06:10 PM
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It's not surprising that a lot of young men are becoming misogynists and supporting figures like Trump and Tate, when this is the mindset of the average woman they deal with on a daily basis. Just because it might be unsurprising, doesn't mean it's right. I think you can quite reasonably point out the shittiness on display without continuing this cultural death spiral by 'one upping' what arseholes these women are being. Going from standing your ground to slurping from the fountain of bilge the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:58 PM
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They do. Ironically the biggest critiques I've seen of it comes from women and Feminists, who claim men would just 'never go for it' pr 'never use it because they're 'irresponsible'. Or make claims like 'men don't want it' while doing everything they can to prevent it happening. ...from the same men who historically try to avoid having any babies at the best of times, and most of whom believe they have zero rights to prevent a child being taken away from them... apparently. Why aren't more women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:53 PM
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You're not wrong you know... At least in the title of your post. I consistently ignored all the signs that my relationships were in trouble. That many of the women I dated would (and did) cheat. In my longest relationship prior to meeting my wife, there were so many signs that we were in trouble, and that she would just gaslight me whenever I'd suggest that it seems like she didn't like me, let alone love me, and that even after many years it seemed like I wasn't even really her 'type'. But hey,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/25 10:00 PM
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Do you mean OkCupid? 'Cause that's not what that data shows. However, you're wasting your words, because I'm not making the argument, I'm describing what the argument others are making is, without cutting out crucial context. Edit: Your downvote shows you're not responding in good faith. Stop wasting everyone's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 09:09 AM
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Well.. to be consistent here, no, and even though I don't completely agree with what people espousing the two scenarios you've described are saying, you're also kind of accidentally proving right the third major point that gets brought up a lot: The Apex Fallacy gets ignored when women talk about men. And that's really the distinction that's missing from your take on this. The first point 'women never approach' is usually guys saying 'women never approach perfectly average men'. The second is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 08:17 AM
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Because approaching people isn't everyone's cup of tea. Why isn't it? There nuance to be had here. We all know it. Why wouldn't people - lots of people - in this case most of an entire gender, not want to approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 07:49 PM
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This is one of about a billion reasons I think it's really great for men and women to have friends who are of the opposite sex. I should add that I see it a lot more here in Europe than I ever did living in the 'States, which is also the first place I heard the proposition "men and women can never just be friends". It's an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 02:23 PM
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Don't forget, it's coincidence only up to the point that it proves the theory that the vast majority of men are evil. Then it's just iron clad facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 01:45 PM
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Yikes. Change that fair, you clearly 'hate' one group of people and not another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/25 08:33 AM
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Again that's a completely different set of circumstances though? You've changed to context of what we're talking about completely. It also encourages people to get pregnant by rich dudes who can help pay for kids without having access to them, which is all kinds of shady. Why encourage something like that? Fairness should be the goal, not debates over who should get the power to fuck who over the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 02:37 PM
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Yeah. The question is a bit of a strawman. It should be 'Why do men feel they shouldn't have to pay for children who've literally been taken away from them?' Then, of course, the answer is obvious, which is why it's not the question being asked. Even if you get more nuanced it boils down to 'paying lots for very few rights'.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 12:02 PM
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Not saying I agree with the sentiment, but isn't that the point of the call for women to be 'reasonable' though? If you weigh up your own standards and that becomes the norm, won't what people are attracted to follow the trend? Like if an alcohol goes from overindulging to just a few drinks. Sure, his tolerance will be high and he'll want fifteen beers, but with discipline he can cut back, and will eventually get just as much satisfaction (and have a lower tolerance) on just a handful of beers. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 10:25 PM
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Social darwinism/eugenics, unfortunately.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 05:02 PM
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Yep. People not encouraged to cast a critical eye on themselves and their own actions or choices are naturally going to fall prey to hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 04:47 PM
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I don't know why this doesn't seen to compute with people. Equality doesn't mean special treatment. It means exactly being treated as a human, but apparently that's not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 08:14 PM
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That doesn't answer the question of why anyone should accept that one oppressive system is better than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 11:57 AM
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Yeah but that doesn't work with Americans cult-like obsession with everything being 'markets'. In reality, markets don't hold the answer to everything (which is why Covid was so crippling), so when subjectivity and circumstance alter what should be predictable, the trained individual can't (or refuses to) accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 09:10 AM
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Ok, but people still make equally spurious claims the other way. I mean shit, they're even doing it in these replies: 'There’s no evidence that chemically altering my body would have an impact on how I behave, but also men are crap and don't listen and that's the sole reason women leave!' Yeah? And where's the 'scientific proof' for that? Ultimately I'm willing to believe it always takes a combination of factors, some even - depressingly - out of our control for a relationship to break down, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/25 01:33 PM
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People go on and on about how easy it was to support a family back then...the standards of living were much lower than what most people are willing to accept now. Not relative to the time period we're talking about though. It's not like they had access to all the technology, medicine and scientific advances we have now and just couldn't afford it - THOSE were decent standards for the time period. If you make this comparison fairly and apply our contemporary equivalent to that time period: it'd b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 10:41 AM
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The problem is that everyone wants to have their cake and eat it, too. People are affronted by the idea that they should be forced into a role but equally only want to date those who'll fit their role perfectly. OP is absolutely right. I also bet many (if not most) who share her opinion would quietly turn their nose up at a SAH Dad without much of a career - especially in terms of as a dating prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 06:39 AM
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No one is settling for a 7 when they could have a 9-10. Because 9-10's are - obviously - rarer than 7's, and to your eternal chagrin you won't be the only one 'dating' him. That's a recipe for bitterness. But then so's some reductive ranking system. I guess we have dating apps to thank for that. Trust our deluded, contemporary world to turn romantic connections into yet another stock market.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 07:08 PM
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You don't slave away at a company that doesn't give a shit about you forever, you look for a better job with better pay. Ok, and if the whole landscape has changed so that no company you go to will offer you better pay because they don't have to, and it benefits them not to, how does your bootstrapping mantra lead to anything other than a total race to the bottom? What you're proposing is 'more of the same, please!' as if there's not a glaring issue. All you're doing is repeating the mistaken th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:54 PM
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...including what they've actually put in effort to achieve I think this sort of thing is the most over-emphasised talking points in contemporary culture. Not even just about dating, but about everything. 'You are suffering or have failed so YOU have done something wrong or made some terrible choice and that's the end of the story,' is a (practically zealous) belief that's honestly brought the USA to it's knees, and will totally collapse it if people can't hold it without some modicum of nuance …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 03:00 PM
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You're both right and wrong, and your line for what's true stops at your disapproval of the 'wrong' kind of man/woman, namely, the one you can control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:23 PM
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I mean I hate to point it out, but OkCupid did the thing where they were watching when no one knew they were watching (and so couldn't manipulate the data by lying), and the stats don't themselves do not lie. You know, in the way that people who want to look good, do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:22 PM
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It takes a lot of hard work and steeling of yourself against things like rejection to reach the sort of place you're talking about for the average person though. So I don't disagree with what you're saying, as much as I am and was pointing out that this isn't how most people operate for most of their lives - especially when they're younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 03:26 PM
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It's not a separate argument, it's just the more important argument, and actually solving that issue would have a knock on effect to the argument around gender and the draft. As is the case with a lot of these issues. Certainly when it comes to things like 'class' though, I can see why many upper class women born into upper class families really don't want the discussion to go in that direction, but the result of those women controlling the conversation has been... well. Subs like this, for one,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 04:04 PM
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I never understand why people say "genderless draft" instead of just... no draft. Like, not enslaving anyone is always better than enslaving everyone equally. Overlooking this kind of thinking severely backfired on women here in the UK, who - in wanting to be treated 'equal' to men, who were of course 'universally treated better' - had their pension age increased to match mens (after all, they work the same as men and get paid the same as men, so...) and also have to pay the same base level of (…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 04:02 PM
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That's because a lot of these people seem to see everything through the rough lens of gender before considering any other factors. It stems from bad ideas, which themselves probably stem from bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:51 PM
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You're speaking very generally. Using generalisations like this is how the rare-though-not-unheard-of massive fisted, ripped women can and will get away with beating the shit out men, and how dudes can never be the victim because they're dudes. Generalisations don't work for making rules like this - and unfortuantely for everyone with an axe to grind, they certainly don't only work one way, for people to turn around and cry 'nuance' when they're the one who's suffering because their individual c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:49 PM
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Dates should be either paid for by the person asking... So 90% of the time that's men. Largely because of the same harmful gender norms that Feminsits point out keep equality between the sexes at arms length. In which case, what do men need to do to encourage women to approach them more often to do the asking out, since this is clearly the key to addressing the issue beyond all of the obfuscating factors. Bearing in mind that no one likes to do the approaching, it's intimidating, demeaning, dish…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 03:46 PM
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And you haven't done anything but talk past my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 08:22 PM
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Women, by choosing financial freedom and autonomy, have done nothing other than copy the behavior and attitudes towards dating and marriage men have enjoyed for thousands of years Yeah, see, this is what I'm getting at. 'Men's behaviour for thousands of years' (let's come back to that one, yeesh) has been roundly dismissed as completely shitty by the same women who are now asking 'Well why can't we do it?!' Because you've just identified that it's shitty behaviour. Men shouldn't have done it, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 03:52 PM
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I mean you've accidentally hit the nail on the head there. The dating 'market'. Dear America: 'Markets' don't 'magically fix everything', and not everything should be a 'market'. Please see your current dilemmas for reference. There's no silver bullet, and it's certainly not making anything and everything piously immitate freemarket capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:42 PM
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Some men do. A lot of men - it seems - have also taken issue with women doing it to them during dating. Any assumption that any one 'side' in the curren, shitty dating dynamic is somehow 'more evil' is an idea that's been co-opted by people who really do intend to cause the 'other' gender harm and degredation, and extract from them what they can while offering nothing in return. It's no wonder people are coupling up less. No one's turning their gaze inwards at their own shitty behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:39 PM
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It's interesting that dominant (and dominating) forces like Capitalism are said to be explicitly 'Masculine' for some reason. If that's true, it's because men compete and are encouraged to compete with one another constantly - often destructively - as a mark of their masculinity and things like Capitalism lend themselves to this. But if what you're saying is true, and: Women’s attraction, though, is more relative. He has to be comparatively more attractive than other men in the space Then as muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:10 PM
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Back when I first got on dating apps I did things as I thought they were supposed to be done. I read bios, looked at pictures, considered. I got no matches. When I told people (I was new to the dating app thing, having previously been in an LTR before the apps were really a 'thing') everyone (men AND women) said 'You're doing it wrong. You swipe every woman and see which ones actually come back to you before you pick who you'd actually want to date.' Everyone knows the shittiness of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 02:40 PM
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We'd all benefit from a bit more self reflection and a much more critical eye on the state of society (and its negative effects on dating), rather than just the endless mantras of the bootstrappers that caused this mess in the first place. Sometimes you have to point out and accept that the building is on fire rather than just continuing to work at your desk as it burns just because someone's drilled into you that hard work magically fixes everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:50 PM
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I don't think you're aware of just how far left the overton window has shifted. Being pro social safety nets and environmentalism isn't left wing lol, most conservatives even agree with it Have you seen your fucking President? The entirety of US culture? This is the polar opposite of the truth. It's no wonder you're struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 01:59 PM
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Men's value is determined solely by women Your mask has slipped. This could only possibly be true if your value was determined by the dating world and it just... isn't mate. People have so much more value than how fuck-able they are. Edit: I should add - including you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 07:43 AM
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Cardio is probably the best for your mental health, but because that doesn't get you close to the ripped body expected of you as a man (and from what I've seen happened to friends, some of the fucked up, OTT stuff you have to do to get there) men throw their lives at a gym and if it isn't right for them just become doubly unhappy. I think this one way street of 'acceptable' versus 'unacceptable' standards foisted on the dating world, we're going to see an epidemic of really messed up old dudes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/25 05:14 PM
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It's interesting that it's all BP women saying this here, but the others are saying: 'Nah, sometimes I will date a friend.'
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 08:50 PM
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You're right. The difference - in that case - is only in the choosy/chosen dynamic between men and women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:23 PM
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Nah, I'd say it's about the same. But for no reason (well, for the same reason all these issues persist) until recently pointing it out equitably has been a big no no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:21 PM
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Don't a lot of dangerous criminals in prison get women writing to them and forming relationships? Even women who don't know them? What about the popularity of true crime amongst women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:17 PM
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Also, a lot of younger women are kinda naive and will play the “girlfriend role” in an attempt to lock the guy down. So a super hot, social guy could have multiple women at any given time getting all the pros of a relationship without any of the responsibilities. Yep! Break the wheel!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 09:44 AM
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Don't tell me others are 'suddenly against' what has been an IMPOSITION for a long, long time. You can do what you want with whatever woman decides to live that life with you, but you're the one here crying about other people choosing a different, fairer path. You're suggesting men run away - and it IS running away - because your version of a relationship isn't what ALL relationships look like now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:01 PM
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These women are often willing to cook, clean, and embrace traditional gender roles—qualities that are increasingly rare in the West. These aren't 'qualities', they're bullshit outdated inpositions from a very slim slither of history that has been unjustly exalted. Clean up after yourself. Learn to cook your own fucking meals. Women don't have a specific set of tasks they owe you and vice versa, they need to pick up their fucking game, too. In a good relationship you're a team. Things just contin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 12:45 PM
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It's degrading to be expected to prove yourself or to impress your date Never listened to a single word any man has said, eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:52 AM
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"You've gotten boring and out of shape. You need to improve yourself, get fitter, do more interesting things, build an interesting life that she's excited to be a part of. Let her see that if you leave her you have plenty of other options". I think this seems like objectively the best approach. LOL 'Objectively the best approach', doesn't really invite much room for debate, does it? Despite this being the most 'just world fallacy' answer out of all four of the proposed responses. It's not 'you' …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 09:59 AM
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Increasingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 02:43 PM
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They probably see 'taming' you as some sort of challenge that would affirm how manly they are. It's sad that their locus of control for 'being a man' depends - ultimately - on your approval, but that's what happens when a person's strict ideas about 'what a man/woman is' clashes with their internal, far less clear-cut self image.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:13 AM
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I dunno - I think I'd want a mix. If my wife dressed like a fucking quaker I'd be almost scared to inititate anything. If she did nothing but dress like a stripper I'd be side-eyeing a lot more. This is one of those areas where I think the golden mean really does apply, and on the off occasion where you think 'Wow, that's a bit revealing/why is my wife dressed like a Nun?' you just shut the fuck up and try to remember that LTRs are not about you aligning on everything all of the time, and that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 11:11 AM
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I appreciate that. I do think you're sort of saying 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps, that's the answer!' though? I think you overestimate how much control other people have over their situation because you've managed to discover control you didn't know you had, and assume other people must have those opportunities too. Not everyone's in that boat. People fall into wallowing in sadness for a good reason - it's not as simple as just saying them 'making better choices'. I think what I'm saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:50 PM
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They lecture for themselves, not for you. It's the reinforcement of a narrative, rather than genuinely helpful advice. I think people get caught up either throwing themselves wholesale into the comforting 'bootstrap' narrative (usually if they've been successful in some way), where everything can be overcome with determination, or into the equally unhelpful 'I'm just a product of my environment' narrative, where nothing is anyone's fault and everyone's just a vitim. First, the (majorly) dominant…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:30 AM
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The lazy answer in this conundrum is the one we've been hearing over and over and over since, well, basically the dawn of time. Work on yourself, men. It's not advice anyone particularly needs because it's advice baked into the very nature of dating (side note: the same model of dating people have been complaining about for about a decade now, because of all the 'harmful gender impositions' it foists on everyone) in fact it's been hammered in, and is starting to look more and more like an excuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:19 AM
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First up, this is a very old article. Second: Research has shown that males (especially fathers) tend to have their income shoot upwards following divorce. Are you attributing to favour (favour by whom in this circumstance? How does getting divorce influence the income a man is granted by his job?) what might be better attributed to necessity? Won't a man necessarily need to start making more money? His (now) ex-wife doesn't have to share financial burden, she can just make up what he doesn't se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 04:00 PM
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Neurodivergence is becoming such a loaded term, overused the point of becoming useless. As if anyone's particularly 'normal' or 'baseline' when you get down to the nitty gritty of how their brains work anyway. What's 'standard behaviour' is so very broad that in reality it leaves little that's not-so-standard to heroically 'diverge' from. It's one of those words that feels more and more like it's leapt straight from the protagnist of a YA novel, into the solipsistic main character syndrome of ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 03:11 PM
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It's fucking wild that people don't see the knock on effect that material conditions have on culture. The same guys and gals complaining about this stuff are the ones who think that public healthcare is 'communism run amok!' There's shooting yourself in the foot and then there's cutting off that foot, setting it on fire, violating yourself with said foot all while screaming: 'Why!? Why is this happening!?'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 02:29 PM
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Gross article. I hate to tell you this, but it's been like that in the US for a while now. I think a lot of the madness we're seeing across the board there is sort of a pre-existing, unaddressed problem reaching it's natural head. The first time I lived there was when I was in college, and my experiences dating in the USA versus dating in the UK were night and day. You guys are hung up on gender expectations and norms (and crazy norms too. In the UK I could get away with looking like someone oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 12:38 PM
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Given all this, how is it shallow for a woman who wants a family to prioritize a partner who is financially stable and willing to provide? I don't know about shallow, but making him shoulder all the burden for the failings of freemarket Capitalism? Bit much. It'd be like him realising childbirth was hard, and so only accepting a woman who could pump out several kids 'naturally' and unaided by the medical system. There are reasons we - as humans - broadly come up with workarounds and solutions to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:54 AM
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So glad I'm not dating anymore. And not in the USA. I mean no wonder it's become such a battleground for the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 04:47 AM
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They are not wrong to do so, but the lesson to be learned is that looks > personality. It doesn't sound like you're being quite so even-handed here though. The fact of the matter is that as long as someone is attractive enough, or has one or two features that might be considered attractive, then personality can indeed win over, but it'll often require you being friends first. I've noticed that US men and women in particular really struggle with this though. Contemporary Human Beings in general a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 12:14 PM
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Yeah but physical attractiveness is often one of the first things to lose it's edge as relationships progress. Not to say you don't find your partner beautiful, just that it becomes vastly less important the more serious things get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:45 AM
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Don't write off the impact your country and culture has on people's waistlines. I've lived between the US and Europe, and even though I regularly exercise in both places I always end up gaining a bunch of weight when I live in the US. That's deregulation for you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:43 AM
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...so they demand everyone look at them the same way people look at supermodels. At the end of the day the people who need movements like these are only demanding that they be treated like fellow people. It's those leading the movements who're obsessed with personal power.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:40 AM
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I mean, yeah, exactly. If you're judging someone else as a 'creep' because they're physically unattractive, you're doing exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:32 AM
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I was making a joke. edit: Even if I wasn't though, that's a pretty fucking ugly response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 10:28 PM
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I've seen enough bad comedy movies to know that you ladies will contort and coerce and squeeze your feet into the most inappropriately sized shoes so long as they look good!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 09:17 PM
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Don't you have to try them on, first?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:49 PM
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That's not the point at all though, is it. Men are expected to put in equal effort at home because that's what's fair (and I agree). However they're also expected to be the breadwinner to even be considered worthy in the first place, despite increasingly making the same as women. It's classic contemporary humanity: I want to have my cake and eat it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 04:15 AM
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Who gives a fuck? You'll never have a fulfilling, happy, decent relationship while one of you continues to try desperately to control the other. If it's suiting you, he will eventually realise it doesn't suit him, and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:17 AM
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Yes. BOTH need to die. Unfortunately people want to have their cake and eat it, too. Nope. That's not how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:08 AM
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The 'make him pay for it' shit though is just power dynamics that need to die too. I notice those 'noble' guys telling her 'how it is' aren't around anymore either. Fancy that. If you're looking for a partner, look for an equal. Not someone where there's this constant struggle for dominance over the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 09:17 AM
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It's such a comfort blanket for the perenially lucky and ceaselessly spoiled, all this pretending that the only reason anyone's unfortunate, unlucky or in trouble is because they chose to be. One day your luck might run out, and I bet - unprepared for it as you are - you'll bitch and moan about how unfair it all is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 04:12 PM
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Guys already get that message, and it papers over issues they have no control over. It's dismissive and lazy, which is exactly what you'd expect from people telling everyone ELSE they don't try hard enough. Two things guys can do - try to challenge problems that can be challenged, and cope with those that can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:32 PM
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You've misunderstood what I clearly said. 'Further' rob people? No. People are not being 'robbed of their sense of responsibility and agency'. What's happening is that people are having problems they have very little personal control over dismissed as simply being a failure of 'responsibility and agency'. People are being told they're just 'not trying hard enough' when any problem whatsoever is either beyond a persons control ('Have you tried being taller?') or are blatently societal issues that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 02:27 PM
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You're right. However, the current makeup of society is also encouraging men and women to embrace those things that make them a hive mind. There's no better consumers than the ones whose actions you can predict with almost certainty, and if you can't, can be trained into indulging in their cave-person brains in a way that makes them mindless customers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:17 PM
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Society, culture and dominant ideologies do enough to blame people entirely for their situations, I doubt 'giving up and become blue or blackpill' could do much more to the fuel that's already on that fire. Honestly, the way some dickheads talk I'm surprised we aren't telling terminal cancer patients to just 'bootstrap' themselves better at this rate, but ultimately it's just a comfort blanket position, which is why it's so strange to see so many 'manly men' holding onto it for dear life. Never …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:14 PM
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There are a lot of people here trying to insist otherwise. Probably because they need to believe that all they're doing is trying to 'motivate people', when in actual fact it's just them putting others down to make themselves feel/appear better. I am fairly certain these same people - if they've ever even been shamed - have never experienced positive motivational feelings from being shit on by someone who thinks they're better.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 12:09 PM
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Of which most are men. How they couldn't see this is beyond me, but there you go. When people's ideas are catered to in the extreme, they have the luxury of only seeing what they want to see, rather than what's there. They'll learn. I just wonder if they'll learn who to blame for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 03:20 PM
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I don't think genders are a monolith, but if I'm being honest, I see society and western culture making great efforts to move people in the direction where they are increasingly becoming that way. At least in terms of preferences. Just look at gym culture. Plastic surgery. Look at the state of online dating. It's all the most generic ideas about 'what men/women' like but on steroids (in some cases literally). I think that's because it makes people easier consumers to sell to. If you can train a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 11:32 AM
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Yeah, dating apps are nuclear waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:29 AM
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Hahahah, oh no. Oh, no, that's quite wrong. Fitness is important, but it's starting to read like you're just some gym bunny trying to build a simple narrative in order to handle the world, in which case there's not much discussion to be had. Here's an unfortunate, uncomfortably thought for you to chew over though: Even more than exercise, diet is important to your health - both mental and otherwise, so with better regulations, your food in the US would be a lot healthier and people would be a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 11:07 AM
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I’m agnostic and have still been to church with girlfriends who are religious. Jynx! But no, religion is not some purely benign, lovely, natural force that's ultimately just a 'good' thing. The demand remains there written through numerous religious texts, religious reading, in rote ceremonies that are there in essenece to ensure your loyalty to the church, and the evidence for the level of control they maintain is writ large through their massive influence over politics and just how easily the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:10 AM
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Their system might have worked to get laid, but they forgot that doing this is wholly unfulfilling, and won't just magically fix all their problems. Mostly because the majority of their problems come from inside their own heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:02 AM
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Isn't the huge, glaring, screaming hot difference between the two that the Therapist doesn't demand that you swear fealty to a mythic diety -and by extension them - who judges and imposes upon everything you do for all eternity, or will cast you into a pit of fire to be tortured forever and ever? You don't sell your soul to a Therapist, even if - shorn of all nuance and context - they offer a similar service to a pastor or priest. Almost like one might actually be an evolution of the other, alth…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 10:00 AM
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I think the people being talked about in regards to both genders (violent, golddiggers, whatever) have a combination of traits that mean they get about more and are able to do more damage. They are awful, of course, but they're also superficially attractive enough to lure in dates, who then get into situations of sunken cost fallacy (or are manipulated) and find it hard to leave, possibly because they feel inferior (or are made to in some way). Anyone who's superficially attractive, but also has…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:07 PM
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Your response read as extremely sarcastic, sorry. I must've misread in that case, and apologise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:14 PM
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Sorry, I was busy being a less terrible person than you. Luckily it really, really, really doesn't take long, so I had tons of time to come here and make my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 04:33 AM
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Society is being turned into a kindergarden to coddle neurotic minds while governments and corporations are turning into parents. This is a wild take. Corporations - especially in the US - treat people more like slave labour or expendable resources, much less kids. In fact back in Victorian England they even treated kids this way, until regulations started being implemented.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 11:23 PM
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This is all painfully true, and very well laid out... BUT - equally - it's easy telling the starving person that they ate something bad for them when it was also the only food available to them if you just overlook the fact they they're starving. I think the one side of the counter argument to this is that people with abundance don't seem to have a very good frame of reference for those who go without, and so THAT side of the male loneliness argument either goes ignored or gets downplayed for be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 02:49 PM
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I mean, no? As 'the Red Pill', you're leaning into assumptions and impositions around gender and dating, surely? By TRPs own arguments about culture, you're not 'batting frequently for men' because 'men' implies a majority, and a majority of men don't fit into TRPs austere rules about what makes a 'real man'. So you're cheerleading for the men you'd date, but by TRP's own ideas, that's not most men, and by that qualifier, it's not really fair to say you're batting for 'men' then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:22 AM
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I think painting women into a corner is the idea right? He sees an increasing number of issues with women, but he obviously doesn't want to reason with them as people, or reach some sort of compromise or reconciliation. It's more useful if women stay as bad as he imagines them to be, just so that he's always got some hate-figure to be angry at when things aren't working out perfectly. This place is called purple pill debate, but only a few posts leave room for actual debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 10:17 AM
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What's interesting is how many people will reject what you're saying, and yet it's the same thing that's said to men all the time too: 'No, you're not conventionally attractive, but the fact that you're a total dickhead isn't helping you either'. Hell, it's that line in the Social Network: 'You are probably going to be a very successful computer person. But you're going to go through life thinking that girls don't like you because you're a nerd. And I want you to know, from the bottom of my hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:21 PM
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...she's confident and smart, which makes her intimidating to males. That's not what's happening here at all. There's confident and smart and there's pushy, aggressive, bulshy and rude. These are not the same thing, and the latter adjectives are usually the methods by which people lacking the former qualities operate in order to either lash out at the world for their shortcomings, or hide their deeper insecurities. She immediately jumps down that one guys throat and says 'What because I'm heavys…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 03:19 PM
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Why are no women commenting on this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:20 PM
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Lower class men - which is most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 12:18 PM
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No... no that's not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:07 PM
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Oh I see. You're a fucking idiot. Next!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:15 PM
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They're paying too - it's just that individuals increasingly can't afford to do it on their own. If kids being at school wasn't total dogshit (if you paid your damned taxes and voted in officials who cared about the quality of schooling) that's one way in which you're "paying for someone else's kids" that's universally beneficial. Plus you owe it. Other people have paid to build the society in which you've been a participant and beneficiary since before you were even old enough to realise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:37 PM
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Yeah, the US has still got big problems and hangups about gender, and it's a fucker because it's really not quite like that in a lot of the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:34 PM
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I think most modern men and women will say that what they want is a team mate. Someone who's got their back and vice versa. Unfortunately, what most people have been trained into believing, is that they deserve all the benefits once afforded to them by their gender with none of the obligations that come with those benefits, while the 'other' gender should fulfil all of their obligations and meet all of their outdated standards, while being denied any of the benefits that might give them. In othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:32 PM
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What about when every other aspect of society fails to allow you (and her) to do your 'jobs' properly because those roles were more suited to an entirely different era? It's like going around and saying 'It's my job to be a Knight and hers to be a Princess', well, I don't know about you, but trying to commute on horseback in full plate armour and speaking in old English might, maybe, possibly, not quite gel with how the entirety of the rest of society is organised, and might actually end up just…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:27 PM
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If that happens then get another one? If your financial situation is so tenuous you're worried about going broke or being unemployed you probably aren't cut out to provide for a woman in the first place. The current system wouldn't be what it was without ensuring that more and more of it's working populace were stuck in this situation. If you have time to sit around and find a new job after you lose one, that's time that you're not generating profit for some derranged oligarch, which as far as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:24 PM
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why would i support someone elses kids? Because they're part of your society. Down the line they might be voting on policies that directly effect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:17 PM
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You'll absolutely miss all the positives a person can provide you because you're getting a dopamine hit from your assumptions (negative ones in this case) being proven right. Not a great way to live. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:29 PM
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AS a man, this is extremely true, but you won't get men who've been encouraged to repress their feelings able to admit it. The idea tha human beings place feelings first is universal, and anyone trying to say it's one 'type' of human over another obviously doesn't see all humans as, well.... humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:32 AM
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Facts and feelings are not mutually exclusive. It's funny how this is such a factual statement, made by a woman, in the face of a man saying 'women care more about feelings than facts!'
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:26 AM
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The only reason I think I'd quite like to sleep with anyone fairly early in a relationship (not talking about straight away), is that it'd suck if you really liked someone but quite far down the line found out you were sexually not very compatible. I think dudes (speaking more generally of course) get bent out of shape when it's perceived that a woman will happily, willingly, enthusiastically have sex with other guys, while making the guy they might actually be interested in wait. It makes sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:56 AM
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I think 'hanging with the boys' and 'bro spaces' are not necessarily the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:04 PM
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Is this not true for some women, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 06:53 AM
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I'm far more comfortable with it than people calling you out and proving you wrong, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:11 PM
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Yes, that's what I said, "BP are liberals", and not: BP people tend to also be politically aligned with US Liberals Which isn't exactly the same, is it. Then you've gone ahead and talked about someone who's not a Liberal, but a 'Conservative'... which, ok... from one sentence to the next you've attempted (poorly) to critique what I've said about liberals by... instead talking about a so-called Conservative example. Again, er, ok? Finally you're talking about him 'not supporting Andrew Tate'? Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 06:08 PM
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You've challenged absolutely nothing. Except maybe the meaning of the words 'reasonable debate'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:54 PM
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Yes, gosh, what a well thought out response. Definitely worth engaging with you again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:39 PM
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What makes me laugh a lot is that BP people tend to also be politically aligned with US Liberals and Neoliberalism generally (some are actualy Leftists, but that number seems low) and Incel/RP types tend to align with the dominant Right Wing narratives... and yet when it comes to dating, it's like the two completely flip on the fundamentals of their otherwise unwavering ideologies. RP types will point out that, no, not everyone can 'bootstrap' their way into getting dates or attention from women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 04:00 PM
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One is about past actions that the victim of abuse can't change, the other is about future and/or present actions, which a potential victim at least has some say in, so I really don't see how the two can be equated and one dismissed in favour of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 05:08 PM
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Men are not a monolith. Jesus christ.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 12:22 PM
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In the same way that they believe that a man's place is chained to a desk. When you think of a 'working man', maybe you're thinking of John Hamm in Mad Men, whereas most 'working men' are little more than miserable wage slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:26 PM
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While I can see and agree with this, the problem's twofold. As a guy I could never really choose to be a stay-at-home Dad even if I wanted because of the same forces the OP and you are talking about, and - as OP has hinted at - some of the power behind those forces comes from the (speaking generally) desires and standards of women as much as it does the (speaking generally) desires and standards of men. First - whether you like it or not - large parts of the progressive world (and many corporati…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:23 PM
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I think the weight thing is a bit of a sly trick, personally. Women will say 'well I don't mind a bigger guy, so I'm not shallow!' but that's just because men and women have different directions in terms of preferences for norms in that regard. If you want to be really fair when talking about physical attributes, you compare the short, scrawny man with the larger lady, and when you do you see the correlation a bit better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:34 PM
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Second, a lot of men will deny that they can “develop feelings over time” for a woman. While I don’t believe this is completely true, I do believe that men are mostly driven by physical attraction and will know pretty early on whether they have romantic interest in a woman or not. You - and a lot of women - overestimate this point. I can say that because you guys are always saying that men overestimate how much women want 'chads'. Nah. We're as complex as you guys are, sorry. Most human beings a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:53 PM
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There's a prevailing joke that reddit hates babies, and boy does that show here...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 04:56 AM
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Oh, gosh, I'm sorry. Who has all the benefits and power in romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:09 PM
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I think an awful lot of men who are already craving romantic relationships (whether rightly or wrongly) as much as they do see this as a rock and a hard place. Most women won't talk to me, and if one hates men based I stand more chance with her if I go along with it. It's sad, but it's how the dating world has been shaped. Women do it too - they'll keep going for the toxic asshole described above. The whole reason this has gotten worse rather than better, and hasn't really deviated is because we…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:08 PM
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I think the point being made is that your example woman no longer had to think 'I made some pretty poor choices there! Perhaps I should reflect on them?' and can instead turn around to some less handsome, less successful guy and scream 'this is all YOUR fault!' at him. Doesn't exactly make for a constructive, progressive solution to the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:54 PM
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Funny how you can think this while simultaneously insisting that men have all the power and benefits in romantic relationships. Since they're so desperate for approval and so defeated by rejection the two narratives don't quite add up, do they.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:52 PM
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And yet there are enough people complaining across the genders when someone who meets their 'standards' then turns abuses the power that gives them, rather than that person magically changing into the perfect partner willing to both submit to you, whilst also, contradictorily, not falling short of ridiculous standards. Which tells you that somewhere along the line people's standard have been severely warped, and have increasingly little to do with what will make a person happy. Everyone needs to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:50 PM
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A bit like how dudes say they don't 'want to be lonely' but turn around and reject or ignore women who aren't up to their standards? I've noticed that there's an awful lot of 'have your cake and eat it' mentality amongst the men and women who have the most vociferous opinions about what's fair and what isn't, what equality is and what it isn't, and what other people should and shouldn't be doing. Ultimately if we want things to be better, we need to keep both others AND ourselves a little bit mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 02:01 PM
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You are repeating phrases and words you've been told without putting in the work to understand what they mean. I mean "Far Left"? Good grief. If identity politics are such a 'Far Left' phenomenon, then why do corporations - the most Capitalistic force on earth - embrace them so readily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:23 PM
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More, honestly. But I don't think you're 100% right - plenty of women agree. The key is isolating and highlighting them as the exception, and not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:12 PM
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There are some big assumptions (much like the sort of negative assumptions you see about women on this sub, too) that men just feel nothing for their own children when they're born, irrespective of whether or not they wanted them in the first place. If you start seeing men as human beings, you'll realise that they go through their own rollercoaster of emotions and biological responses when their child is born, and the idea that most men would or even can just shrug off a child because they "can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:55 PM
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And how you are, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:30 PM
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What I find amazing is that romantic feelings IN relationships often change, die, have to be worked on given enough time... ... so why do people treat them as a be all and end all OUT of a romantic relationships. Feelings come and they can go. Space is good (although sometimes it can just lead to fantasism) but I don't personally think (and know first hand being on both the giving and receiving ends) that it spells the end of a friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:27 PM
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If she doesn't, it's a lot healthier for the guy in question to slowly dissipate the relationship (or outright end it) to prevent himself from becoming even more attracted to her overtime and get more and more bitter until he catches a mental illness. Like so many, you've latched a lot of bad beliefs onto what are the seeds of an otherwise very reasonable point, and this right here is where you - intentionally or otherwise - jumped the shark. As a dude I think most of my successful, long term re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:24 PM
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So not keeping up to date with American politics is problematic? Noted. I honestly don't know where you possibly got this from.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/01/25 01:50 PM
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Nothing BUT problems. In short there's no either sensible or decent reason to like 90% of what he says, or - if you do - to believe that he'll be consistent and follow through with any of it. I mean putting aside the fact that he's the embodiment of almost everything most people have painstakingly demonstrated is destroying Western democracy, he believes in nothing outside of power. Mostly his own. Unless you're an unscrupulous member of the upper class, you're in for a rough ride.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/01/25 11:17 AM
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Exactly. OP is simply trying to argue a preference that suits his situation as if it were some serious, debateable point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 08:03 AM
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The ONLY thing you disagree with?
/r/EverydayMisandry04/01/25 07:52 AM
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When approaching dating, people tend to see one another as broad strokes examples of either men or women, and I think the wider experience is one far more in line with grim stereotypes than everyone being glittering examples of individuality. Especially if people have fallen foul of these generalisations in some way. Society view people as consumers and producers, and as dating consumers manipulating them becomes easier by making sure people all 'like' the same things. It'll mean people will kne…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:51 PM
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Have you considered that you might be in the minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:34 PM
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No Redpiller, but I'm afraid he's right. Often you can see how a woman would be attractive, without you necessarily thinking 'I want to go after her!' A few words can swing it wildly one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:28 PM
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So why doesn't this apply the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:17 PM
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Either all of it is ok or none of it is ok. This is the truth that everyone in this: 'have your cake and eat it, too' culture seems to have forgotten.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/12/24 08:34 AM
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Find out. I don't know why people don't flag this stuff up before the date even happens to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 05:38 PM
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What makes it biologically ingrained rather than culturally ingrained? There are certainly enough cultures both historic and contemporary that don't act like they believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 12:43 AM
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People who hold extreme, reductive, bigoted views will always do this. It's impossible to distill people down to a sort of caricature evil figure without accidentally dragging some fellow humans down into it at the same time. Since the whole point of these views is convenience, they just contradict themselves minute to minute as an extra bit of smokescreen against the complete lack of consistent reality at the core of what they're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:37 PM
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It's obviously not a monolith, but it is pretty pervasive across many parts of the country I saw. No wonder dating has become such a shitshow. It's like a sort of weird, escalating arms race, and yet ultimately the point isn't competition but union with someone. I know that's a scary word too, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:31 PM
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You just described toxic masculinity, and then frankly said why you support it. Yeah, I guess I am talking about the more toxic side of this sort of weird orthodox version or masculinity - and you can tell because it's upset a lot of 'proper men' here in the sub, but all of that is only going to prove my point. For some reason this shit still has a real hold on a large proportion of dudes in the US, and a large portion of women, too, but it's clearly a product of a different era that's rapidly o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:30 PM
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I'll try again if you start trying. I have very little time for low effort nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:34 PM
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Take it from someone who's lived it - your country is far more oppressive than anything I've experienced in either the UK or Europe. Your police are something else (I recall the recent, successful French protests and it's easy to imagine how those people would've fared under your crooked judicial system) and most of your laws (the ones they bother to enforce anyway) aren't for you and me, but there to protect the elite who refuse to pay anything towards that same police force. You live in prison…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 10:12 PM
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Never left the country or read anything other than Fox News eh? It shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 09:35 PM
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American women are wonderful, although the best ones I met I met travelling, so they were a bit more worldly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 05:44 PM
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It's a cultural thing. I grew up in the UK. Lived on mainland Europe for a bit. Moved back to the UK and lived between there and the USA over a decade. The USA is a country of extremes, for better and worse, but one way it always seemed really fucked up (and this is from 20 years of going back and forth) is it's ideas around gender and sexuality. In college especially, I've never experienced such a hyperfixation and obsession from dudes on "Masculinity", nor such an overwhelmingly positive respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 03:54 PM
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A LOT of this stuff is BS. These stupid 'rules' that are rarely consistent and more often than not just coping mechanisms for how random and unpredictable nature, circumstance and all of those things out of a person's control can be. Let's face it, whether or not you meet someone - a partner - and have a successful, fulfilling relationship with them is half luck. Unfortunately the most dominant culture on earth doesn't 'believe' in luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:20 AM
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Thanks mate!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:07 AM
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I think the declining birth rates are proof that our current models and standards of dating are negatively affecting exactly what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:06 AM
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Being a little nosey, but what's the TTRPG scene like in Melbourne?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:03 AM
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If you enjoy reading I can highly recommend joining a book group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:02 AM
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Are you 15 years old? That first breakup is always hard, but don't let it define you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 10:13 PM
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What a non-answer. Just say that you feel you should be entitled to discriminate based on solipsistic bias and stop wasting time pretending we're trying to have a reasonable debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 06:06 PM
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Well it's a spectrum that's gotten pretty fucking wild - to the point that the idea that it just 'varies' as much as people are claiming seems like a major excuse. Almost all human cultures condemn murder, even if you could point out that there's a 'spectrum' of what different cultures consider murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 05:39 PM
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Because some people have practically pavlovian conditioning when it comes to certain ideologies preaching about 'rugged individualism', and the cope idea that every outcome is the result of nothing more than effort and choice. I get the appeal - it's just not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 05:14 PM
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..but facts don’t care about your feelings And yet people's 'feelings' are pretty much the entire basis of how people choose to date one another. What's physical attraction if not 'feelings' based around whatever trendy beauty standards and status' indicators are flying around in your particular culture? Facts don't come into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 05:11 PM
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You've strayed from your original point here. The point remains that there's a spectrum from caution to resentment to hate, and your caution shouldn't mean you allow resentment and hate to dictate things like policy, or the court of public opinion. If you do, your position might not be as based on caution as you think, and that's worth examining. It behooves men to defend themeslves from hate, while also not allowing that defence to enable proper misogynists to push that defence down a slippery …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:58 PM
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Your first paragraph and last paragraph are wildly at odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 12:14 PM
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a "fruity" (for lack of a better term) personality Hahahah! There are definitely better, more accurate, less 1950's terms. Are you from the midwest? I only ask because outside of black and white movies that's the only place I've ever heard prejorative terms involving the words 'fruity' or 'fruit' and 'cake' being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:39 AM
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Nah, this isn't it. The meme even specifically points out that it's 'Cis men with fragile masculinity', not all 'Cis men'.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/24 09:37 AM
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Dating apps have removed the very important elements of randomness and cirumstance from dating. Elements that not only kept things fresh and interesting, but expanded people's ability to date one another outside of 'marketable' traits, tags and rankings and the dreaded fucking "leagues". A decade or two ago you'd be far more likely to see people from different "leagues" together, but now that it's been turned into an efficient profit machine, it's like we're in the first world war of dating. Mec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:35 AM
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Reading between the lines this manchild went on a date with someone he probably thought wasn't as 'heavy' as she seemed online, then made some grossly inapporiate comment about it while they were out and she rightly shamed the fuck out of him. Now he's here on Reddit, where he'll likely be for the rest of his natural born life while he complains ceaselessly about something he's guilty of himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 09:30 AM
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What on earth does 'invite pragmatism' mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:27 PM
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She's one of those people I look at and think: 'I actually can't even begin to imagine how it must be to be that staggeringly physically attractive. Does it get annoying? Does she even notice?' It's wild. It's not normal, but between Hollywood in the 90's and 00's and Social Media in the 2010's I don't think many people have much of a grasp on the lines between 'mid' and 'total fucking babe'. Some of us would'be fared much better back prior to the world of global mass media.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:13 PM
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Oh, so now it's changed from buy your own condoms to not putting them oh. Upcoming post edit in 3...2...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 04:16 PM
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Here's an idea, don't date arseholes. See how these arguments don't work because the line for personal responsibility stops at about the point where someone else can manipulate you? Sorry. That goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:25 AM
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I think they're trying... and look at how poorly it's going. The problem is that for things to be fair, everyone's going to have to sacrifice some benefits, and everyone - yes, women included - wants to have their cake and eat it. Men should be men, and the most extreme versions of that will succeed - no, wait, not like that! Why are all these extreme demands leading to such extreme, broken version of masculinity?! Stop!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:21 AM
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Have a well-earned downvote. Women will do anything but use birth control. Or... and hear me out bebause it's about to get fucking radical... it's both parties' responsibility, because it takes two to tango, and the idea that men can just 'shrug off' having a baby is staggeringly ignorant. People have a responsibility to - well - be responsible, and people will exploit whatever laziness and loopholes they can as long as they exist. Sorry, but that's not gender-specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:16 AM
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This is a different thing, because you choose to become a Nun. You don't get to choose if and how the rest of society chooses to trap you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:55 AM
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It's not - but people throw around the 'cel shit rather irrespsonsibly and with no pushback, so this is the result.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 03:18 PM
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He does. The fat thing is weird and strangely pervasive when our shitty cultures are doing everything's they can to make everyone fatter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 06:56 PM
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You've said nothing substantive, intelligent or even remotely good here. Come back when you have anything worth saying, bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 07:36 AM
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If they want things like safety, you would think that they would be in favor of more police and guns and less immigration, yet they all vote for the exaclty opposite of it. This doesn't make sense, and is overlooking a few major factors. More guns has unanmiously failed to stop things like mass shootings, and crime, which all remain high in the US. I mean the proof's right there in how readily available guns are right fucking now. Your kids are provably less safe in this environment. Take a look…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:12 PM
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The answer is not class war, which although is necessary but can also dilute votes. The only solution is a gender war. Why are all your other qualifiers (gender, race etc.) really specific, but this one's so vague? 'The answer is not class war because, er, it's not.' The Western world is quickly devolving into having two classes: Upper and Lower. It's very much in the broadest spectrum of people's interest to talk about this and yet... it's like people aren't even able to articulate why. They ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:15 PM
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Leftists are all about the working class. Who are mostly men, still. So how is it a deeply held 'Leftist' belief? If people can't use the right words to decsribe things, the meaning of language gets lost and mad, despotic tyrants take over. It's the thing George Orwell was banging on about, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:12 PM
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Nothing much about the 2024 platform was Lefist, you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:11 PM
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It's not their self interest is about their feelings. What does this sentence mean, exactly? What's not in their self-interest? Listening to their feelings? I think those feelings probably emerge from self-interest, no? It feels like you're accidentally undermining your own point in your, what... rage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:10 PM
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I personally find there's a lot of 'the lady doth protest too much' whenever someone's political beliefs become a primary part of their personality and err on the extreme. It's the classic hyper-religious person who won't shut up about homosexuality who - surpirse - turns out is in the closet all over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 07:19 AM
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That I'm giving you the benefit of the folly of being young and immature, rather than assuming you're older and simply haven't grown up or worse that your comment's simply one of malicious ignorance. He's young and irrational too, so maybe with what limited information we have beyond that we should also consider the benefit of the doubt as the better position to take?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:30 PM
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Are you fifteen years old too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 07:36 PM
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A teenage girl would never see her mother being abused by a man and think the mother is in the wrong for leaving, so why do teenage boys? It's because they envy the father's power and want to be like him. Wow, what a disgusting, simplistic take. Why are you even here if all you want to do is fart your lazy bigotry onto the internet? There are plenty of little quagmires you can go and air your hate in, this sub has the word 'debate' in it, not echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:58 PM
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Best of luck to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 03:00 PM
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You've not lost him. He's just adrift. It's temporary. Just be steadfast in why you left and emphasise that how you feel about his father is in no way a reflection of how you feel about him. Remind him that he can grow up to be his own, independent man with all of the best traits from both of you and the ability to make different choices. You genuinely have so much power as his mother!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:43 PM
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No one forced you to respond, edgelord.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:40 PM
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Jesus. I don't think handing him over to an abuser is quite the answer here. Won't that just make him even more likely to turn into the sort of monster of a man that's always being highlighted everywhere? Abuse is a cycle, after all. He's a teenager, so a lot of things are confusing and a lot of things are a phase - painful though that phase might be. If there's going to be any tough love, it'll have to come from you/the person we're replying to. Stand up for yourself... that's what a father fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:39 PM
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Bingo. The problem is a human one. Where IdPol fails is in suggesting that only men OR women experience this, and that one of those genders is totally justified in feeling a certain way while the other isn't. No one's questioned it with women prior to this (I mean it's called the madonna/whore complex...), although that does appear to be changing, despite the best efforts of the most toxic people to try and keep that from happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:15 AM
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...you can leave your job. This doesn't help your argument as much as you think it does, because the reality is that no, a lot of people can't just leave their jobs. Shit, almost all of US Culture is built to prop up this idea that you have 'freedom of choice', when it's really no choice at all if you choosing other than what someone 'in charge' wants from you is utter destitution, poverty and eventually death.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:24 PM
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People say things like 'genetically predisposed' when they don't want to say that Men are expected to be both the purveyors - and victims - of violence. Violence is a human trait. The fact dudes are expected to be violent (and often rewarded for it by men and women alike) is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, and murmers of 'genetic disposition' are just people trying to shrug that standard off and absolve themselves of any responsibility for it. Without failure these same people expect and re…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/11/24 09:36 AM
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It's not a great sign, is it? Then they wonder why there are so many arseholes out there.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/11/24 07:36 AM
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And I think that's the problem, right? Men shouldn't act like they can do it because 'those feminists' do it, when it's quite clear that the idea that someone 'deserves' a 'good' (the parameters for which are getting ridiculous) man or woman and shouldn't have to compromise on anything is bullshit. The attitude's what's wrong, not 'who's doing it to who'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 11:42 AM
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This is a wonderful response. It also points to something endemic to the monoculture's obsession with hyperindividualism. Not every man (or woman) is an island. You aren't the protagonist. You will have to share, even a little bit, if you want a decent relationship. The MO of this culture seems to be: 'Well I want to have my cake and eat it, too, so the only collaboration I'm willing to engage in is one that boost my personal power and diminishes that of others.' Where on earth did people think …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:38 AM
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Dudes have been saying the same, so..?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:35 AM
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I think people from all sorts of ideological backgrounds have been party to the 'you've given an inch so I'll take a mile' stance. There's SO much bad faith out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:34 AM
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Every single society on earth has survived - and prospered - because of a shared trust and co-operation. Yes, certain individuals will exploit that, but in the majority it's been the most efficient, effective way the species has prevailed. The USA's ongoing obsession with the self, the individual, 'me first' is obviously going to be detrimental to this when it's taken to the extremes it's slowly being taken to. Things like dating turning into the world's worst tech-backed rat race is yet more ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:33 AM
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I was briefly making less than my ex, then more, then way more, then way less. It made fuck all difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:12 PM
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People do this though. Often. We shouldn't be giving a bloody pass to anyone who does, either. Women have treated me abusively. I know many men who've been treated way more appallingly, and I don't just mean dating, I mean mothers, co-workers, siblings, treating men abohorrently and getting away with it because they're doing it to men. There's no way in hell I'm going to turn around and broadly paint all women with the worst kind of brush though, and ask them to explain the actions of a few note…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:11 PM
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Where does it say this in evolutionary psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:03 PM
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I mean it's a natural result of women doing the same for years. It's like disarmament. Because of the worst people in the world of both genders, no one's going to step back first and say 'Even though I've not had much luck with them, I can't admit that all of X are just pure evil'.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 06:02 PM
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This seems like a philosophy that'll work out well for them...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:09 PM
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Well, I think their argument is that women are operating from a position of power in that situation (on pain of being the 'choosy' ones), where men 'managing' to sleep with a lot of women is an accomplishment instead. Frankly if these guys think it's really all that cut and dry, it's surprising to me that they're so desperate to get laid that they'd keep giving women the same power they're complaining about. Just pay for sex if you already believe that's essentially what you have to do anyway, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 03:28 PM
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I think because a lot of their philosophy is dedicated solely to shagging around, and that's ultimately quite unfulfilling next to a healthy relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:43 AM
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What a grim fucking story, hahaha. No offense, but I really don't know who comes off worse in it, but I can only imagine the sex was terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:40 AM
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'If you want to be rich, try not to be poor'. I feel like the essence of all advice post-2010 is like this, and keeps people in a perpetual cycle of misery. XYZ isn't a broken system in need to overhaul, you just need to simultaneously accept where you as 'natural' but also strive endlessly to be better, because it's also somehow all your fault. I guess if we're running in this hamster wheel constantly we're generating power for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 11:35 AM
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Do you live in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:51 AM
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This right here. Good work mate!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:49 AM
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Yes that always surprises me, these men and women want their cake and eat it too That surprises you? I think accounts for about 85% of all of people's current dating woes. Dating, relationships, marriage, shagging - it's all a negotiation and it's all about compromise at some point or another. If you're not approaching it with an egalitarian mind, don't whinge when it comes back to bite you on the arse and stop being a prick when you're on top (not you, fellow redditor, talking about the HYCAEI …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 06:16 PM
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It's the same situation as with the current, dominant Right. Not all Right Wingers are racists, nazis and so on, but they're more than willing to amplify the voices of those people or tacitly accept what they're saying/allow/encourage them to say it even if they don't believe it themselves.... just so long as they get to stay in power. Same amongst the Neoliberals (let's hesitate before trying to paint them as Leftists, and doing the Right Wing's job for it). They're interested in grandstanding …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:11 PM
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I think it might be partially generational? Men who are now in their 60's are still part of that generation of guys who went to work while their wives stayed at home and did X, Y and Z. Now they're divorced, these guys still have to work (or many are lucky enough to be retired, a luxury Millianls down to Gen Z will never experience) and spend more time in the unfamiliar realm of domesticity. If you can't cook for yourself properly, you won't eat properly. If you can't clean or do any of the stuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 12:25 PM
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Mhm, yes, this story comes up a lot and is one all-too-familiar to me as a late Millenial too. My ex (longest-term partner outside of my wife) reserved her 'All men are evil' cudgel for basically gross weirdos she didn't like or who were difficult to interact with. She was falling over herself to be a groupie for frontmen who borderline SA'd young women though. She of course ran off with one of them, and because she's never faced consequences for her actions (there's always another guy around to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 12:12 PM
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Oh of course! Completely agree. But that initial attraction is how relationships happen in the first place, so it's - regrettably - important. And as a first step it's not great to be going into it thinking 'Eurgh, they'll do." The culture reflects the stats too, with the classic 'bumbling, crap husband' and 'implausibly smart and attractive wife' permearing pop culture. Speaking purely qualitatively my own experiences don't 100% reflect the OkC stats. It's about half-and-half, and one half defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 09:56 AM
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For years we've (quite fairly) been told that men's rampant desires cause women's body issues. We've been shown women of varying shapes, sizes, ages and appearances and been told 'These are REAL women.' I think that's great. I also think it's an axe that swings both ways, though, and in the land of 'I want to have my cake and eat it too' that manifests itself as an ironic: 'Well I can date whoever I find attractive, but you can't because of all the damage it does!' Mmm no. So can dudes. And when…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 08:44 AM
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Yeah that was the bigger takeaway - that these women see themselves as predominantly 'dating down', which isn't healthy in a relationship that's meant to have some element of equality to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 08:36 AM
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Why would it have changed? Why are older, less reliable studies still used in the argument 'men are terrible monsters?'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 08:29 AM
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Well I mean there you go. Everyone with a voice who has something to say about men isn't talking about what their actual experiences and societal expectations are. They're either all unanimously the evil, privileged elite, or their weak and floundering crybabied who nonetheless should cry, because that's being in touch with your emotions, oh but also you need to man up, otherwise you're a crybaby. Men - in much the same way as woman - exist as contradictory concepts based on what we need them to…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:26 AM
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Just because they voted for him, doesn't mean they were correct if their assumptions were that he would materially improve their lives. Not only will he not, but his ideology and the ideology of those who follow him explicitly states that their every intention is to do the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 10:18 AM
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Silenced majority. Or didn't you see what happened to OWS and Bernie? As I've said they can't really be 'The Left' if they hate the working class, which is mostly made up of men. If you look at the rest of the world you might realise that the USA has a party who are economically, environmentally and materially Far Right and Centre Right wing, and on social issues who are Centrist, and Far Right. Your Left Wing would only address gender issues as an afterthought, IF they could make your society f…
/r/EverydayMisandry08/11/24 10:14 AM
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The working class is mostly men. The Left should by it's very definition of being 'Left', be focusing on issues of the widening wealth divide and class problems, so by definition, shouldn't be 'anti-men' since this largely includes them. If someone's being anti-men, it doesn't mean what the 'Left' is has changed, it just means that the thing being called 'Left', isn't actually Left. It's like saying the Sun isn't the Sun anymore because someone who's called themselves a Sun Worshipper has decide…
/r/EverydayMisandry08/11/24 10:05 AM
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'The Left'? What Left?
/r/EverydayMisandry08/11/24 10:02 AM
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One of the things that could quite easily be wrong with you is that you go for - and attract - certain kinds of people. For many years prior to being married I attracted sociopaths. I was pretty easy to push around back then, so it stands to reason. They got with me, used me for whatever it is they wanted me for, then ditched me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:37 PM
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So promiscuous men, too? Let's have a read of this research! Alcohol consumption and sexual promiscuity are not the same thing. Alcohol quite literally impairs your judgement and can kill you if you over indulge. In the land of stupid comparisons, are you saying that someone who's just had a lot of sex shouldn't be able to operate a vehicle just like someone who's just had a lot to drink, then? No. And what's wrong with divorce if it's justified? Just because you've been told that Jesus doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 12:13 PM
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It's creepy and weird that any dude is this concerned with how many partners - sexual or otherwise - that their current girlfriend or wife has had. It's these same guys who bitch and complain about how the system of dating is stacked against them in favour of chads, and yet it's this very same "Trad" system that's the one that insists women stay 'pure' for them, or whatever lurid shit they're trying to call it. It really, really doens't fucking matter what has happened. What is happening and wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:04 AM
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It's fucking wild that you Americans have just given power to the most elite members of the so-called global elite (while claiming this move is actually a protest vote against the very same people), witnessed a devastating pandemic kill millions while you quietly made sure that the profiteers were getting paid first, and more recently watched an unprecedented hurricane season devastate southern states... and yet really high on your list of concerns is what women do with dicks. You guys are fucke…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 09:08 AM
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Yep. If you also give said humans a 'get out of jail free' card based on some immutable part of their character, they're also going to start behaving even worse because they've been convinced that whatever they do is beyond reproach based on said characteristic.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/11/24 06:42 AM
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I’ve always had this nagging feeling like I’m not quite measuring up, and it’s probably tied to, I don’t know, some insecurity I’ve had for years. Maybe it’s because I feel like I’m failing as the “provider” right now, especially with my partner working two jobs—waitressing and retail—and I’m here still looking for work after two years. I thought my degree would give me a leg up, but instead, it just feels like a reminder of how things didn’t go the way I planned. And every time someone brings u…
/r/MenSupportMen05/10/24 09:57 AM
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93k people will believe anything they see if it supports their negative beliefs about some demographic they hate. That should worry anyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 07:41 AM
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Nah, they're the same. That's the point. No one is an island. We all either do or have depended on others throughout our lives. Just like you might argue that Feminists act like they don't need men (until they do), hyperindividualists (though I don't know anyone who self-identifies as that) act like they don't need anyone, which is equally untrue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/24 06:35 AM
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...feminists want to have their cake and want to eat it too. Almost every contemporary movement that isn't about improving society for almost everyone who needs it is exactly about this. We're a hyperindividualist society, so 'have your cake and eat it' has become the MO of most people. -Isms have just turned it into a gang.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 05:39 PM
2

I think it was a typo on OPs part: https://thriveworks.com/help-with/relationships/monkey-branching/ Unless it's actually a 'clever' take on this idea, of course.
/r/MenSupportMen02/09/24 09:23 PM
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Monkey branching* is a thing though.
/r/MenSupportMen02/09/24 09:15 PM
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Which studies? I'd be interested to have a read.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/24 02:09 PM
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I think this is the erroneous thinking that contemporary gender politics have helped muster up as a smokescreen. 'Who has the power' isn't unimportant but the answer is increasingly either those who already had the power, or those willing to steal it indiscriminately. To these people 'man' or 'woman' doesn't matter - that's for us hateful plebs to fight about - power itself is the only demographic. All of those consequences of hyperindividualism (which also doesn't genuinely care about man or wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 02:19 PM
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I think there's an irony, too, in that the supply can't live up to the absurd demand of these sorts of standards, and so it breaks many men, as they try to be something inhuman. Don't get me wrong- women get it from us men, too, but the problem persists because it's only talked about going one way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/24 08:30 AM
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Yeah, but it's just social eugenics, like the 'don't be ugly or you're a creep' thing for these particular types of people. They want to have their cake and eat it, too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/24 08:26 AM
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Yes. Of course. Why is it between Feminists and you guys everyone thinks this is some sort of Zero Sum game? The only reasons the systems that make life harder for men and women still exist is because if they were to be overturned everyone would lose a little something and all anyone wants is to have their cake and eat it. Men have it easier in some ways. Too easy. So do women, just in entirely different ways.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/03/24 10:17 AM
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Jennifer Aniston in Horrible Bosses.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/24 10:42 AM
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He's pretty good at asking stupid questions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 02:51 AM
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Not when men being men is determined (and often rewarded) based on their level of machismo. Those macho men seem to be doing exceptionally well in the world, even though half the population - who could make their life a living hell - apparently abhor them. At the end of the day this is just more two-faced 'have your cake and eat it' ideology. I probably don't disagree with you that machismo is an issue, but I'm sure we disagree as to both it's source and whether or not it's something most men 'e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/23 08:22 AM
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No, it's everyone, sorry. Men just get blamed for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/23 03:16 PM
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It's actually staggering that overt hatred of feminine men... can still be blamed on men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 05:48 PM
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This a thousand times. I think that's what people overlook (probably intentionally because everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too) and to my mind it's why backwards gender dynamics continue as they do. Men and women (particularly straight men and women) foist unrealistic, damaging standards and expectations on one another based around equally ridiculous dating norms that are getting way out of hand based on how they've evolved. However, people also see it as an affront that similarly u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 09:40 AM
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Isn't the second one a massive red flag? I mean men can opt out of dealing with close/romantic/co-dependent relationships with women if they want, but '...deal with women anymore'? If you see women as fellow human beings (and if you don't, you need serious help) "dealing" with them is very much implied. If you have issues with the dynamic between men and women and disapprove of how society treats each, then hate the game, not the player.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/23 11:18 AM
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Because Identity Politics isn't the only - and certainly not the main - concern of being an actual Left Winger. That's why such a distinction has grown between so-called 'libs' and Leftists. If you're ignoring the economic implications of the current Right Wing hegemony, you're doing so at society's peril, and you're also inadvertantly helping bolster the pervaisveness of Identity Politics because it's a useful smokescreen to prevent people discussing matter that are important to almost everyone…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 09:56 AM
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It's why it's best to just give up and find ways to distract yourself as much as possible from your human emotions and needs. Because most of society sees people like me as non-human anyway. I think you'd be amazed to find out how accurately this describes a lot of people's lives even if they are in relationships, marriages or are fucking around. What are all those things if not huge distractions from things like the inevitable? A partner of some sort won't always be there to meet your needs, in…
/r/MensRights25/02/23 11:17 AM
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I really wish he wasn't one of the very few voices out there not trying to disempower young men.
/r/MenSupportMen01/10/22 05:31 AM
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I sort of get that, but there's definitely a sense of arrogance in believing that his way is the way to help people. Especially when he knows first hand how limited - and limiting - his rules are. I think he's had a wake up call about his model of 'how the world works' in the last few years, but instead of showing humility (no doubt 'weakness' in his mind) he's doubling down on a lot of what got him famous. The more rigid he becomes, the more the forces outside of his model are going to crack th…
/r/MenSupportMen01/10/22 05:29 AM
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I too thought there might be something useful to be gained out of this. No loss my end though. Nothing I've not heard before a billion times from a billion failures and the people they slavishly follow. And while there isn't any chance of you reaching the middle ground, maybe people will see it and think to question the pavlovian beliefs of: 'I'm just not trying hard enough' to every situation, and strive to change things around them and around others for the better - as well as them being encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:00 PM
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Your horse in this race judging by your post history is that you're a gym bunny, and any suggestion that you might - in any way - be lucky, or be fortunate to be in a position where you can 'lift', afford to eat well (and even want to spend the majority of your time doing that - or on here 'telling it like it is') and generally look how you want to look is a threat to your massive, unearned ego. The same arrogance you're lazily trying to paint me with. I'm not some fat slob who sits on video gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:44 PM
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I insist that you are still wildly overestimating how difficult it is tohave a basic level of fitness. Likewise I think you’re wildlyoverestimating the number of people that are actually in lifecircumstances that would prevent any meaningful effort. Oh insist away if it makes you feel better. It doesn't fix or address what are very clear, very cultivated societal problems which go beyond the simple, dismissive answer of 'just choosing to be better' though. There's plenty of literature out there …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:28 PM
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Right - sorry - I got sidetracked. I’m just hearing bootstrapper arguments, and to be fair to you they’re not the direct points you're making. So, no, anyone can't… ...choose to have a physique like Captain America with a basic level of effort. Because, as you've rightly identified (but for the wrong reason), most people aren't able to put in what’s debatably 'a basic level of effort' They're mostly too fucking busy working and being forced to eat terribly. Putting this aside for a minute, I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 07:23 PM
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Oh don't worry. You already live in a society of 'do-ers'. You probably grew (are growing?) up in one, which is what's forced your opinion into its shape. If you look at almost any metric, productivity is way, way, up... The difference is what you - what anyone - 'does' matters less and less. How hard they try matters less and less, and is rewarded less and less than it has been for the last forty years. Competition has gone from healthy to pointlessly insurmountable without throwing morals out …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:40 PM
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It's not luck at all, it's genetics. It is uncomfortable that it's out of our control and it can't be changed. I'm confused by this because it's a bit of an oxymoron (a lot of it is, in fact), isn't it? Genetics are luck. The problem I'm outlining is that some misfortune can be handled by a more even-handed society, rather than one that's built entirely around the concept of funnelling all power to the already-powerful. This is something humans have known from the minute we started working toget…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:34 PM
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you've said here. In fact you're pretty bang-on, even when it comes to people I generally support, like Bernie. When it comes to him, at least, I think he's trying to appeal to middle class, neolib voters. It's depressing as shit, but that's the US electoral system all over. It's something ridiculous like 95% of the time the candidate with more money behind them wins. I don't agree with it, but I guess at least if they win they can make tangible change and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 09:12 AM
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General fitness of a healthy level doesn't look like Captain America. They don't look morbidly obese either. Nonetheless this more mundane level of 'healthy', despite actually being healthy, is nowhere near the ridiculous standards loudly imposed on people by incels, so-called 'chads' or a broad and unquestioned portion of the female population (and all three are directly contributing to what is more broadly recognised as a 'male body image crisis'). These are heigthened standards that are thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:51 AM
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Standard standards will do, with encouragement towards improvement as it fits the individual. The world's better for that, especially over indulging childish fantasies and demands doled out at the behest of egotistical manbabies, spoiled, grasping women, or the fortunate not satisfied with how empty their easy-gotten-gains makes them feel trying to punch down just to feel something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 08:03 PM
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That's good - but many don't see if from your perspective, and do have it make them insecure, and the type of peple selling the lifestyle tend to be able to sell themselves by convincing the average man chained to a cubicle 12 hours a day that 'he can do it too! when as you've rightly diagnosed, the ones doing the selling have made it their career. In many cases their whole life (I was fairly close with a friend who used to do this stuff but eventually gave it all up and his insights have been p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:35 PM
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This is a huge societal problem right now, not just related to the so-called culture wars, and there are very specific reasons for it. As Western society goes we're very poor at recognising the uncomfortable truth that half of everything comes down to something out of our control, some sort of fortune or luck (and I say half, but this amount varies from person-to-person) and we're very, very bad at looking this fact in the eye. Those who are, tend to have had the dice land on just the right numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 11:28 AM
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I say this as a dude who exercises regularly (though not a gym-type) but that's highly depressing and will produce a hell of a lot of shitty, uninteresting men who only have one pillar to their personality and very little ability to offer much of what's actually needed from men in the world... Oh.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:13 AM
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They need exercise, but the exercise they need will not having them look like Captain America, no matter what you might believe. Avoid 'those' YouTube ads and fitness gurus who - like they do with women - make bank (which has become the only thing important in our society, and is the source of a lot of the problems you describe, but that's another discussion...) off of promoting unrealistic expectations for both men and women. Rob McElhenney of Always Sunny fame has a lot of pretty good things t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:10 AM
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Except for the big one that's highlighted in this very article - income inequality. People forget - or ignore - that the Left are meant to be fighting an economic battle as well. To ensure that there's less of a wealth gap between the obscenely wealthy and the criminally poor. When you have more men in the workplace, and the workplace is slowly morphing into more of a feudal system, well, you're going to get a lot of disenfranchised men. What you've reduce to 'the Left' is just orange book liber…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:45 AM
1

I seem to remember reading that it was a similar thing with long hair. It was all the rage amongst men for some time, but like many things the world wars changed a hell of a lot for men. I guess things like makeup and longer hair weren't battle-worthy for those kinds of savage, modern war, and a standard 'look' emerged for men who were 'real men' (in that case soldiers) that has endured (like so, so many things have) for nearly a century now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 09:35 AM
1

Poor bastard. Get back to me when you have an original thought. Until then I don't really have to indulge your lazy bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 09:05 PM
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No it don't 'be like that' I'm afraid. Not beyond your own imagined experiences of what it's like to be a man, based on your own projections themselves apparently springing from some deep loathing of men. I suspect - ironically enough - mostly 'gross' men. You can lazily (or ignorantly, you pick, but it's one or the other) dismiss the areas of life women do breeze through beyond looks (presumed innocence, protected status in some cases, 'cleaner', safer jobs, better support in general), but your…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 04:57 PM
5

Are you a teenager?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:49 AM
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If the weights really a factor then you probably shouldn't have been married in the first place. Certainly not to a 'gym bunny'.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:47 AM
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The other comments here are right - OP is clearly a person who doesn't know or interact with many women. You, however, have taken these rebuttals and run in a complete circle, instead essentially suggesting that 'only a man' wouldn't comprehend 24/7 cousciousness of negative physical appearance. This is nonsense. You're conflating the breezy benefits of being physically attractive and it's dark underbelly with entirely one gender when it's utter nonsense and plenty of men are in this position. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:45 AM
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Of course you didn't you daft twat.
/r/PussyPassDenied27/08/21 12:32 PM
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Er, no, rescind your previous wild, inaccurate speculation based on absolutely sweet fuck all outside your intense bias. It's clearly not just a tame 'oh well, you know, nothing positive...' situation, or anything to do with equality. Worse still, if this was the other way around you'd be shrieking and clutching your pearls over how she could beat him and get away with it. Sometimes reality won't just lean into your biases. If your actual good faith goal is for people to take your point about me…
/r/PussyPassDenied27/08/21 11:57 AM
1

Flashbacks to my shitty ex.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/07/21 07:22 AM
5

I always want to say 'Maybe the jackasses you choose to date talk about that sort of stuff, but most normal men don't'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/21 08:15 AM
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While I'd personally never hate on anyone for doing it, it's unarguably an easy way to make money. The only reason to think otherwise is the value of a woman's body is societally so 'high' that showing it off is somehow seen as difficult, whereas a lot of guys would get naked for free. It's a female privilege too often dismissed as some sort of hindrance.
/r/PussyPassDenied17/01/21 11:00 AM
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That men, apparently, just really, really want to rape, and that the only thing stopping us is being told not to. Honestly this idea is kind of staggering (and disgusting) and so at odds with my experience as a man (and with basically any conversation I've ever had with other men) that it sometimes makes me think that the people implying it our outright saying it have never interacted with a male outside of what sounds like an awful, sexual context and genuinely don't consider men to be human be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/21 11:24 AM
1

They took a good cause about fairness and just took away a bunch of years from women to make them suffer as much as men do while continuing to furnish the pockets of businesses. Why not bring the male age down, or balance the age between the two? Because as usual it's not about men vs women. This is what happens when identity politics is weaponised between men and women and we're encouraged to undercut one another, rather than turning our attention to where the real division of power is: in the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/21 09:08 PM
1

If you can't explain why this is then perhaps you don't have access to all the information you think you do to make these sorts of assertions. Dominance isn't what a lot of people are after - it's just what sometimes happens in a relationship, one way or the other. Competence and an assured sense of self will often lead to a level of independence, and those things can be attractive no matter the gender (though with men this is obviously more of a demand than a 'nice to have') because in general …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/20 04:52 PM
1

Please don't let heartbreaks or past relationships define how you proceed. I have almost exclusively dated terrible, noxious women most of my life. It's partly because I enjoy strong, independent women who don't (appear) to need what you're asking for (though what you want isn't gendered. I think most people want that from a relationship in some form or another, they just either have trouble expressing it, or lean on wanting it too heavily) but for the last two years I've dated someone nurturing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/20 09:35 AM
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"Conspiracy Theories" and more
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/20 09:48 AM
1

I'll get together an exhaustive list of links for you to quietly ignore then, since you apparently can't google - because it's actually staggering that anyone can't see this about our current government. What you're seeing and saying is just as 'alarmist' ('Oh no, they're teaching kids about racism!') and based on conjecture as what I'm saying. Where's your evidence, or the evidence that sparked off this thread in the first place? Exactly. Again I have to point out that this sub seems to be call…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/20 02:17 PM
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Sorry, been busy, and I’ve meant to respond to this for a while. While what you’re saying makes sense at face value it’s another example of the reason I made my comment in the first place. To underline a double-standard, and why people wielding them shouldn’t be the arbiters of what ‘the things I oppose’ consist of, nor what constitutes their most ‘extreme’ examples. Case-in-point right here in this subreddit: Feminism/Critical Race Theorists will say that they also don’t oppose freedom of speec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/20 11:30 AM
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Yes, I assumed something like this is why you deleted my comment. Critique of capitalism isn't 'extremism' - which if you read this link is the point being skirted around - in fact extremism often comes in the form of shutting people up when it comes to critiques , which is exactly what this law does, and circles back to my original point abou the clear (and often outright stated) goals of the UK neocons. If they can define 'criticism of capitalism' as 'extremism' then we're already on clearly s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 05:51 PM
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I think your response speaks for itself in proving most - if not all - of my points. Thank you. I didn't mention Communism at all - either a solution or as anything whatsoever to do with this. You did. It's worth you comprehending that this is why we're in such trouble and why critical race theory is even getting traction in the first place - because of people like you acting like anything Left of Thatcher is a fucking socialist hellscape. You've drunk the koolaid. To such an extent that even yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 03:55 PM
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You're misinterpreting the contents of the link - willfully or otherwise. She's justifying her stance as based on the fact that no other 'political ideal' (i.e. 'Capitalism is beyond reproach' as per my link) is taught in the way that things like critical race theory are - as 'fact' and thus irreproachable - when (if you're not eating exclusively from the trashcan of ideology...) the link shows that they're absolutely not adhering to their own standards. It might be a 'fact' that we're 'in capit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 01:07 PM
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It shouldn't go unaddressed that what she's saying isn't true, and is more of a political manoeuvre on the part of the Tories. They do teach Capitalism as 'fact' and recently banned the teaching of so-called "anti-capitalist" material which strongly suggests they're just attacking everything they consider their political 'evil' rather than approaching this even-handedly. Right Wing racism will take any valid criticism of things like Critical Race or Gender theories and run with it as far as they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/20 07:20 AM
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