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This is why I find PPD so difficult to process. My experiences align with yours. The science backs it up (I looked into the science later in life and found it confirms redpill). So we have real-life experience and scientific backing, and yet people on PPD are still blue pill. It honestly makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/19 05:43 AM
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Not what I said. You are projecting. I said females mate for survival/babies. Attraction is the evolutionary 'process' that motivates the female, same as males, but the 'end goal' is not attraction, same with males. The OP was a hypothetical about 'what if' attraction is gone. In that sense the 'process' leaves but the end goals (survival/babies) remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 08:01 PM
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Part 1: Women. Nothing would change. Woman don't mate for "attraction". They mate for survival/babies. So they will still mate, even if attraction is gone. Plus, most men are betas, and women are not necessarily attracted to betas anyway, so we are already living in a situation where a percentage of women don't mate for attraction already. Part 2: Men. Nothing would change. Men want sex. They will still seek sex, even if not attracted to women. Proof: Prisons. In prison, there are no females. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/19 06:07 AM
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Please be open to this: There are no 'double' standards, only 'two standards'. There are two sexes. They evolved differently, for different purposes. Thus, two separate standards. Similarly, in a relationship, the two partners are different people, and thus different standards. Sometimes the standard benefits one, or the other, and it can change over time, as the people change over time. Dwelling on "double standards" is disadvantageous because its purposefully contributing to the misunderstandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 02:43 AM
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What you are asking it not specifically about 'slut shaming' but the larger sociological aspect of how society as a whole learns from the past to inform its future. My answer is yes, society as a whole will realize that the current path is unsustainable and correct course. BUT, it will be compartmentalized, in that only a small segment of society will reverse course and adhere to traditional values again. We are slowly reaching peak 'unrestricted' society, when all things will be unrestricted (n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/19 07:10 PM
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I referenced it in the terminology (see my comment above) and going off the rails. And then I referenced the other persons comments which detail his extreme experiences that he referred to as dehumanizing, among others. But, if you want me to explain more, I can. Its one of the interesting things (IMO) about RP, which is the sociological aspect. RP started as just science. It stemmed from evolutionary biology. There are thousands of articles, books, papers, written about it. Then, non-scientists…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 12:16 AM
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The person I was responding to said that he recently went back to Christianity, so I was using Christ as an analogy to help with his understanding of RP. RP is an ideology, and as such has core parts, as well as outlier parts, extremists, etc. The core parts are just science. Amoral. Then, humans take over and start adding terminology (cuck, chad, stacy) as well as adding things that are not yet scientifically proven, etc. Nothing wrong with that, all ideologies do it. But to judge an ideology b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 12:00 AM
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To give an analogy, Christ teaches love, and turn the other cheek. But some of his followers don't follow that, and are quite harsh and abusive. Some non-believers even point to those followers as proof that Christianity is inherently evil. Do you see how you are doing the same thing with RP? RP is literally just science. It then gets corrupted by 'humans' because we are flawed creatures, and use words like slut, cuck, beta, etc. In fact, unlike Christianity which is propagated by Christians (an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 11:46 PM
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People only switch when the pain is too much in one pill or the other. We (humans) only respond to pain signals (either current pain, or anticipated future pain). All switching from red-blue and blue-red occurs because of pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 10:31 PM
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I'm not attacking you, but interested in honest discussion, if you are open to it? First, isn't RP just a "tool", and you can use that tool however you wish? So its not 'evil', unless you use it for evil. As an example, RP pushes the idea of "kino". That is a healthy thing, right? Its a way for a man to slowly escalate sexually, allowing for the female to indicate consent at each stage. Second, the RP is actually two things: evolutionary biology theory, combined with strategies (tools) that stem…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 10:29 PM
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Would females take it (if female viagra worked?) There are illegal drugs that do something similar, and females are not rushing out to take it, so seems unlikely they care about increased libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 05:52 AM
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You said it doesn't make sense, but perhaps it doesn't make sense "to you". Research shows women are attracted to those men. And don't avoid them. And date them. And have children with them. Thus passing on their genes. Thus evolution. I explained. If you don't understand, perhaps read about evolutionary biology, dark triad, etc. I find it troubling that you refuse to even read for five minutes about 'women like jerks'. Why are you on PPD and asking questions if you won't do your own research? M…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 06:51 AM
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I genuinely thought I answered your question, so I must not understand what you are asking. Perhaps our misunderstanding is the terminology we are using, such as jerk, annoying, etc. I will try to clarify: Dark triad is narcissism, machiavellianism and psychopathy. Females are scientifically proven to be attracted to that personality, among others. That personality can be seen as "jerk", "annoying", "abrasive", "arrogant" and others. Thus, in that context, females are attracted to jerks, arrogan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 06:33 AM
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Evolution is amoral. It didn't design you or me or any of us to be attracted to something that is good for us. It simply designed us to be attracted to the type of person most likely to pass on the best genes. To say it another way, dark triad arouses sexual desire. Females may hate themselves for being attracted to the 'bad boy' but they are attracted anyway (via evolution). Please google "women like jerks" because it pulls up easy-to-read summary articles of the topic. And its really interesti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 06:20 AM
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Google "dark triad". There is a lot of research on the subject. You can also google "women like jerks" because it will pull up the same information, and its more fun to read :) Women literally like 'jerks'. Why? From an evolutionary perspective females are attracted to the 'alpha', which is the type of person (or monkey :) that can 'acquire resources' (which is why females are attracted to 'muscles' btw, because its an evolutionary signal that the monkey is able to take resources from others/env…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 05:53 AM
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Men like those type of women IN SPITE of them being bitch. Women like jerks BECAUSE they are jerks. That difference explains everything. Men will put up with the bitch, to get the hot. But women are ATTRACTED to the jerky qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 09:58 PM
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I want to assume you posted the OP because you wanted to discuss and learn. My comment included quit a bit of interesting info (such as maybe payment is more than money, that value comes in different ways, that females are getting a lot in return for your 'wife' duties, that evolutionary biology shows alternative 'values' you didn't include, and so forth). If you want to discuss, I am open to that. But you provided no feedback or discussion in your recent comment, just "problem is payment" witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 12:19 AM
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Honest answer: You are assuming 'payment' is money. Women enjoy sex. So that is (partial) payment back to them Women enjoy being around and caretaking children: So that is (partial) payment to them. (Some women enjoy cooking, but that may be controversial, so I'll let that one go for now) Women enjoy the emotional/conversational aspect of relationships: So that is payment back to them. (so those are your categories from the post) Plus, they enjoy the affection and attention from others: So that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 12:07 AM
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You need to first understand the larger context: When people say 'men and women are the same', they are partially correct, in that they want the same basic things, commit the same basic acts, etc. When people say "men and women are different", they are ALSO correct, in that men and women do/say/feel the same thing, but in a different priority order, and for different reasons. For example, both men and women want 'sex' in a relationship, and 'status/resources', but men are more likely to place 's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 03:48 AM
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I agree,'women are 'fine'. That is my point. Men are the ones who are 'not fine' with the marriage arrangement. And thus are not asking women to get married. Thus, if you want marriage in society, you have to make it beneficial to men. But I think we are at the end of our discussion. You said in your recent comment that marriage is not a good deal for women even though they get the children, the spousal support, the child support, typically the home, and etc. If you can't accept reality that its…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:49 PM
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"Marriage" is just a contractual relationship. That relationship is currently unbalanced (it rewards one party more than the other), so if the system was balanced, then by definition, both parties would want to enter the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:33 PM
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I didn't articulate myself clearly, sorry about that. When I said in the past men were more sexist, but more sex with women, I was saying that therefore the manosphere didn't 'cause' less sex for men, because if so, there was more of that manosphere attitude in the past (sexism, etc) and they had MORE sex, not less. But that is irregardless, because your central point was clearly valid, that marriage is a bad deal, as you said, so men don't take it, so only sleep around, so sex is the only value…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:29 PM
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I believe you are being genuine, and want to find the truth, so my comment is intended to be positive, and to help: If your statement was true (The decrease in men getting sex is just due and caused by the manosphere) then how do you explain all of history prior to 1960s. For all of history men were much more sexist, misogynist, etc. Women didn't have the right to vote until 1922, treated like property for thousands of years, etc. And yet, men had more sex back then. People paired off early in l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:45 PM
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Thanks, that is really interesting. I wish PPD had a bit more of this, and bit less of just randomness
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 07:22 PM
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Thanks for providing data. Interestingly, for men, the biggest drop is from n-count of 0, to 1. After that, slow decline. For women, there is moderate drop from 0 to 1, but other moderate drops from 3 to 4, and "6-10" to "11-20". What does this mean? Who knows. Any single study is only a slice, and obviously this data is correlational, and the graphs are just "very happy" ratings rather than full ratings, etc, but I'm ok accepting the limitations of a study while also trying to understand the is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 05:50 AM
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I'm on board, mostly, I really am, but I think you are avoiding missing pieces that answer your question. First, having a baby involves pros and cons, so if you don't include the "benefits" to the mother, there is no way to know the NET result. For example, lets say women lose some things having a baby, but then gain A LOT, so the net result is a gain. Second, you are also therefore missing the 'equality' angle, because lets say men lose some things having a baby, but gain a little. The NET resu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:36 PM
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Upvote for providing sources. Can you clarify what you mean by less "equal"? Do you mean 'outcomes', such as health, money, etc. If so, then you need to explain the positive outcomes as well, and then the reader can see if that results in 'unequal' when combined, or balances out, etc, otherwise you are just stating a few negative outcomes. And there are negative outcomes for everyone when having a baby. That is the point. It takes away resources from you (time, money, etc) to give to baby. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:08 PM
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To be honest, yes, I think they are going for the 'dead-eye' look. So a robot, not fully human. And, to be even more honest, I think the reason they do it is because it activates something in men that makes that girl seem more attractive. I don't know how to put it into words exactly, but I've noticed this in porn sometimes and even with Instagram models, that they will purposefully go for almost a type of dead-eye look. Or, they will try to mimic what it looks like when someone is high or drunk…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 07:21 PM
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I agree, mostly, and to be honest, I don't know much about monks. I was just offering a counterpoint. But they do seem more.... "human" in some ways, more evolved (?), or something. I've also noticed that people who get a lot of sex (so other side of the continuum) are a bit less than human, almost animalistic, always about base desires, etc. I heard an interesting point from a fellow redditor that "we are just monkeys with a human mind attached". I sometimes wonder if that base desire for sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 07:10 PM
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They both aspire to be the same thing: sex object
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 02:32 AM
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I like the dual axis idea. So one part "who I want to have sex with" and one part "how much I want it". Perhaps even a third axis of "ability to control/self regulate"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 02:11 AM
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So we are in agreement, in a way, because we are both saying there is something more happening than just lack of sex. For example, as you state, some monks are ok, others get weird. Some MGTOW and Incels get weird, but others are ok. The common denominator is not the lack of sex, but something else that stems from it, that then effects (or affects?) some men and not others. What do you think that is? I have my own opinions of course, but I am on reddit to hear other people's opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 12:58 AM
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This is what i like best about PPD, the philosophical/sociological aspects, so my guesstimate is: There will be more fragmentation. We used to be a mono-culture, and with it a pretty strict adherence to norms for hundreds of years of pairing/mating early in life, little sex before marriage, little divorce, etc. Then, with birth control, unrestricted sexual market place of the 60s, and etc, it started to fragment; at first most people were on the old model but more and more started experimenting …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 12:49 AM
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Then how do you explain monks. They seem to get healthier and more virtuous without sex. More human.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 12:32 AM
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Once again, I agree. Truly. I am not being snarky. One group is always in power. And I like your 'criteria' that its simply "who can control the actions of others". Its parsimonious, and operational. When I said females will trump oligarchy, its not that they will replace it, but be in control of it. The oligarchy will still be there. But it will be female controlled, or the decisions by the oligarchy will favor females (over all other intersectional groups). As an example, California recently e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 11:34 PM
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I think we are saying the same thing. I made an edit to my previous comment, but I'll just re-post it here: The Male-Female war has been raging for all of human history. Every moment, in every relationship, in every culture, they have been fighting. Power is finite. If one person (or group) gets it, the other loses. What I mean by that is what you said (biologically men and women have divergent physical and psychological tendencies). Also, when I said "For the first time in history the situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 11:17 PM
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I really like this discussion. Its part of the reason I came to reddit. So thank you. And I agree with everything you said, mostly :) , although you have a way of framing it more succinctly than I could. But I sometimes wonder about the larger social construct of gender/sex, that perhaps transcends politics. Some people say that politics is downstream from culture. But culture is downstream from biology (evolutionary biology). Separate from the existing political ideologies and warfares of the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 11:00 PM
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"female risk over-aversiveness" I'll have to ponder this one for a bit. But I am not sure I am on board yet. In a male-dominated society (Middle east?), it feels like they position society to avoid female risk (she can't go outside unaccompanied, she has to keep herself head-to-toe clothed, she must get a husband early in life to take care of her, etc). My gut is still saying it should be referenced in terms of "power" (such as who has the power, or how they use the power, or who benefits from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 08:00 PM
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That is interesting. What should replace the word? Relatedly, I have always been interested in how religion is organized around males (such as God is seen as "Father", etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 07:02 PM
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I am open to that. I truly just want to understand the situation better. So if patriarch/matriarch is not the right context, then what? Society has a structure. At the top are either men or women (to some degree, like 55% men, 45% women, etc). And they make decisions that favor men or women (and I realize not every issue is split that way, but many are), so I was using the words matriarchy/patriarchy in that sense. But I am open to any words you want to use. ???
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 07:00 PM
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My attempt at a 'metric': (1) If this is about 'power' in a society, we first need to identify the sources of that power (education, legal system, media, corporations, government, etc). (2) Then, we identify who has more power in that particular source (so 60/40, 51/49, etc). AND its not just who is the decision-maker (a male or female) but whether the decision favors males or females. (3) Then we place relative weights on that source (so I would argue that education is a stronger source of 'pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:36 AM
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I agree. That is why I am asking what the 'criteria' are? I'm being genuine about this. I legitimately want to know how we decide if the West is a patriarch or matriarch? For example, clearly there are more men in charge of stuff (govt, corporations, etc) then women. But, those men tend to make decisions that favor women. So is that a patriarchy that is gynocentric? Or, in representative republicans like the US, if a group has a majority voting block, such as how females are the majority voting …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:27 AM
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Interesting comment. Given your knowledge, can you elaborate on: The question of "criteria to decide if patriarchy/matriarchy exists" is separate from "do people BELIEVE patriarchy/matriarchy exists". Clearly, you are saying that females don't "believe" they have enough yet, but that is separate from a list of criteria. I would be interested in learning what you think is a list of criteria?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 11:26 PM
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But economics is downstream from biology. (btw, I would argue that economics is downstream by culture, but either way, both are downstream from biology). Biology rules everything. In this case evolutionary biology. Men want more than just sex. They can get that now, anytime they want, by paying a hooker for sex in places where its legal. There is no actual thing as an 'incel'. They are not involuntary celibate. They are involuntary "relationship". Men want more than just sex. They want the relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:20 AM
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Interesting thoughts to consider: your idea about "cause of social unrest during history" may not apply because society is engineering other ways to alleviate the 'frustration' (I can speak to this more if you wish) legalization may not solve the underlying problem, even if you don't agree with my first point. "incels" don't actually exist, because they could go to where it is legal and pay for sex anytime. What men want is more than sex, its 'companionship'. Companionship is already legal, in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:04 AM
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The only honest way to get the truth is ask your guy friends. You can't get an honest answer from the girls, for a myriad of reasons. See what the guys say. People on asktrp don't know you or see how you interact, so there is no way to provide valuable advice unique to you. That said, some 'general' advice is to simply ask a girl out the moment you think you are interested in her. Don't wait. Its possible the girls may have thought you were gay because they want you to approach them but you didn…
/r/askTRP06/04/19 05:18 AM
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I like your thoughtful reply. But once again, by that logic, you believe no one can ever be saved because EVERYONE has an emotional moment in their live, and by your logic they will never change from it, and yet we all do. We have all had broken hearts. And yet over TIME we changed. How? By other people influencing us. The very thing I am advocating, and you are avoiding. But I appreciate your honestly that you admit this all comes from you "simply don't care enough to try". And its blinding you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 08:59 PM
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As context, see this helpful chart: http://i.imgur.com/ILRk0Vn.jpg There was a point in history where there was little pre-martial sex, and thus low STDs. Everyone paired off early in life, and virginity was presumed in females. After the sexual revolution and the SMV became unrestricted, we now have the right-hand side of that chart, driven by female promiscuity. You may like that, or not, its up to you, but the effect is as described in the OP (see the guys statement in the OP). Thus, its not …
/r/MGTOW31/03/19 08:39 PM
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I can use reason to prove that statement incorrect, if you wish (?). Everyone is "emotional" all the time, to varying degrees. Its a constant feature of the brain. So by your logic than no one in history can every be reasoned with because they are 'emotional'. Also, even if you disbelief everything I just said, you can influence emotional people with 'emotional' arguments. See any of the books on 'influence' which argue that humans are inherently irrational and emotional arguments work best. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 08:39 PM
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You and I have a lot in common, except for the belief that people "can't be reasoned with", which you said three times in your last comment. Its easy to test, btw, just go try. You may be surprised by reality of trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 07:51 PM
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I can help with some background info, if you are curious: First, MGTOW has levels, such as (a) its not worth it to be married, so GTOW, (b) its not worth it to LTR, so GTOW, (c) its not worth it to date, (d) why have females in your life at all, even friends, (e) and finally GTOW from society itself, and just traveling around the world a free man. Thus, your MGTOW friends are correct that if you don't want marriage, you fall under MGTOW, at least the first level. Also, your other friends are cor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:35 PM
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Thanks for your insightful post. But MGTOW is about searching for the truth, so perhaps you would be open to some further truths. Female were not designed for you or any other males. They were designed for themselves. And that is why most relationships don't last. But there is a difference between a relationship not lasting, and not entering into a relationship in the first place (you said 'dating' was not for you). (1) There are benefits to relationships. You can get those benefits. And then mi…
/r/MGTOW28/03/19 08:17 PM
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You are right that this anecdote doesn't prove the rule. But the anecdote is illustrating a principle defined by evolutionary biology, and that principle IS the rule. For example, if you see a women giving up her kids in a divorce, that would be contrary to evolutionary biology, so it would be counter to the 'principle'. The issue is not the single anecdote, but how its used as an illustration for the larger principle. In this case the principle is that female sexual mating strategy is driven by…
/r/MGTOW28/03/19 08:05 PM
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Lets say you are right. Isn't the appropriate response to seeing someone wounded and lost to try to help them? Why not provide a comment with constructive solutions? I'm being honest. This sub could use some more constructive solutions.
/r/MGTOW27/03/19 05:16 AM
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You are correct, in that a certain percentage of both sexes are interesting/uninteresting. But its worth an 'experiment' on your own life, because this one is truly fascinating. The next time you are dating someone, just stop leading the conversation for a bit, and see what happens. I can only speak anecdotally, but EVERY single time I have tried this over the years, I've noticed that they have a hard time holding a conversation, leading the conversation, coming up with interesting things to say…
/r/MGTOW24/03/19 10:35 PM
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I think you are bring up an interesting point about the changing nature of the redpill community, but to be fair, your friend literally said "already understand what they are trying to teach" so he is validating the TRP message, thus that is confirming that you should adhere to it, not the opposite. Was your friend right or wrong? Who knows. Is redpill right or wrong, who knows. But your takeaway from your friend was the opposite of what you construed. Also, to be fair, there is no 'graduating' …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 09:53 PM
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Attention is life to them, from a scientific point of view. Men survive through production, meaning they produce food, clothing, shelter, etc. That requires force, which is why the male's primary survival strategy is physical force (which is why we are prone to rape, btw, because physical force to reproduce). Females survive through secondary strategies since they don't have the physical strength for the primary survival strategies. In our evolutionary past, females needed the alpha/tribe to hel…
/r/MGTOW22/03/19 11:26 PM
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It's not worth the effort Think of the times your man (faked) interest in having a conversation with you. Might be 80% of the time. I am not saying that to be mean. I am saying it to be truthful, and this sub is about saying harsh truths. Guys just don't care what women have to say. But they fake it, all the time. Try counting how many minutes he is faking interest in your conversations. Then, count how many times/minutes you put in effort to fake interest in sex? Is it comparable? If men put in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 12:20 AM
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bunch of animals with a rational mind attached Thank you for that phrasing. I'm going to steal it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:40 PM
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Can I help address the confusion (?): All love is artificial. Its just a chemical in your head, that is triggered by the outside world. Men/women don't really love "you", they love the chemical in their head that you produce. That is why when people are dating but then stop feeling it for the other person, they leave them, and find someone else that will give them that 'love' feeling (chemical). Have you ever been really into someone, but then the love fades, and you break up with them? What hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 05:43 AM
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Porn is visual (one sense), not immersive (all senses), which is the future (vr, or augmented, or sex robots, etc). And even then (just one sense) it is actually "sufficient" for some people (as evident by your own statement that "most men" want the real thing but that means "some" men are sufficient with porn over the annoyance of having to deal with a real person). Imagine when they have ALL the senses (vr, augmented, etc). Remember my example of the "pet as replacement for baby"? That refutes…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:17 PM
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Not OP but wanted to make a counterargument, if you are open to it. You are correct that humans are not rational actors and are ruled by emotion. In other words, we are all just the chemicals in our head. The world we perceive is just an external stimulus that triggers those chemicals. Virtual/augmented reality is just another external stimulus, that will trigger the chemicals. It doesn't matter if you (rationally) know the trigger is 'fake', the chemicals still arrive. Everyone will go into vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:36 AM
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I wish I hadn't picked an example (Lohan) because now you are nitpicking the example, rather than the rule. IMAGINE for a moment she was "bitchy". Guys want the first person, not the second. So it has nothing do with being "bitchy", they just want hot. Now you are saying "edgy women". And even that is not true, ESPECIALLY for evolutionary biology (where they want naive, young, malleable, etc). I am not trying to be snarky here. Guys like "hot". And, they do not like bitchy, edgy, or any of that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 07:35 AM
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To provide an example, I tried to find a before/after photo of someone who is considered bitchy, perhaps this ? http://cdnimg.stantondaily.com/1de58b80392ea52dd72750a1fe27dc67/lindsay-lohan-then-now.jpg Was she considered bitchy? I can't remember. Anyway, the point is IF both pictures were of a bitchy person, they want to date the hot one. Guys don't date someone because they are a bitch. The put up with them, to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 06:26 AM
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Asshole = sexually arouse them. Bitch ≠ sexual arousal. (the "Hot" is the sexual arousal).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 08:32 PM
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Yes. You are right. The guys shouldn't have gotten married in first place. That is redpill 101. Just do a ceremony, if the girl needs it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 03:32 AM
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there’s a man who dates a psychotic bitch The women date the asshole precisely BECAUSE he is an asshole. The men date the bitch because she is HOT and we will put up with bitch to get hot. There is a big difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 03:30 AM
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Actually, you are further proving my point. For example... First, I am not trying to be a hater. I'm happy that you are happy. I'm happy that you think she is something you want her to be. Keep doing that. But think back to 1950s, when people coupled up early in life, so the women went for the "men on their WAY to becoming a doctor" or a "man on his WAY to becoming a lawyer". When people coupled up early for 1000s of years (!) the women had to 'choose the right man', hence Hypergamy. She chose y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 02:12 AM
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I hope you are right. I truly do. But your post proves hypergamy. You said she turned you into a wealthy person (super great job, home, etc). She bought low, as an investment, and you paid off. Way to go. If you had not paid off her for her, would she have left you? That is the only true test of a 'non-hypergamic' wife, as you put it. For example, imagine you had not gotten the great job, and thus not have been able to help her get the home, or not helped her go into her business together, or he…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 01:25 AM
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I think we are talking in circles now. It does really matter why because those are situations in which it exists, and other situations where it doesn't. Lets say 'men are happier than women', but the moderators are the happiness only exists in certain situation. You, as a man, would want to know those situations, so you can be happy, right? Saying "in general men are happier" doesn't help you, and doesn't help you understand/predict/control, or anything else. Then again, if all you care about is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 07:55 PM
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Do the studies report the mean or standard deviation (?). I am legit trying to help you. No disrespect. If the SD is large, the means are not as informative as you think. There is too much variance, meaning there is something else driving the effects. Called 'moderators'. And those moderators are what are actually important. As example, who do you think is happier, men or women? Lets say men are happy at 4.5 on a 10 point scale, and women are happy at 5.0 on 10 point scale. So women are happier …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 07:41 PM
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Lets say 51% of women desire toxic masculinity. You would be technically correct that "women desire toxic masculinity". But, that means you are not accounting for 49%, almost half of the variance. In which case your model is not very predictive, just a coin flip at 50% basically. That is why saying 'women desire' versus "some women" or "most women" is necessary, because then you are saying the percentage is higher than 51%, and perhaps 60? 80? I believe you are saying its a high percentage, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 07:08 PM
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Rival is someone competing with you. Competition involves physical, verbal, informational, etc. Thus, pointing out 'hypocrisy" is informational warfare. If you surrender that high ground and stop pointing it out, you are retreating and losing power to your rival. See the dictionary for more information.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:33 PM
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Number 1: Its about 'balance'. As an analogy for drugs, its fine to have places where people can go to find heroin or crack, but you don't want it on every street corner. You need balance. Total legalization of prostitution is not balance. Number 2: Men and women are not equal. They are complimentary. Imposing unnatural equality is deleterious to society. Number 3: I agree with you that it "should" be that way, but its contrary to reality/evolution. My argument is stop trying to combat evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:30 PM
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I wish you had presented your argument without all the vitriol because its actually an interesting point of discussion. Who is the best person to decide mating? Humans are not always rational, men and women alike, when it comes to the intense evolutionary forces coursing through us for love, sex, passion, desire, etc. I suspect most women would AGREE with you that they sometimes make bad decisions, especially early in life, when it comes to men. So the real question is how to convince them to gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:25 PM
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They can still produce sons. Some men want that. They can also cook, clean, take care of children, offer emotional support. So their power would not go to '0', maybe like 10?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:20 PM
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1 brings too much negative consequences with it, so not worth it 2 will never happen, in any society, ever. Its just human nature, deal with it 3 is a joke, right? Sex is the prime directive of evolution. Here is an easy solution: Sex robots for men, provider robots for women. First, it leans into evolution, and gives people what they want most. Second, its actually possible to achieve, unlike your solutions. Third, the minute the technology exists, everyone will buy one so its self implementing…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:16 PM
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Technically, you did say all women by "women desire toxic..." If you want to change your OP to "some women" or "most women", then you are technically correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:08 PM
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Not here to change your mind, just provide some context. The internet is conveyor belt. People enter, vent, get angry, get information, start to feel better, get strategies to improve their life, and then leave. And then other men enter, and cycle repeats. What you are seeing on the internet (MGTOW, braincel, redpill) that conveyor belt of NEW people entering all the time and going through the process. Over and over again. What you are not seeing is them BEFORE they enter, or AFTER they leave, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:04 PM
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With respect, I can change your view, if you are open to nuance. Its not all women. And its not all the time. As an analogy with men, there are alphas and betas, right? With women there are also classifications. Not all women want the same thing. As another analogy with men, there is a time in men's life when they want variety and spice, but later in life (50s ?) when getting older and infirm and seeing their declining health years, they want someone around to take care of them when they get old…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/18 08:00 PM
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Of course you would be thrilled because, as the piece said, the guy has the "burden of keeping the Fire of Tingles alive" so you (as a wife?) like having the burden on your husband. So less responsibility for the female. The male creating desire because it can't be negotiated. The man must hold frame, etc. All of those are redpill truths. In a way, that confirms what the redpill dudes have been saying all along, right? You are free to dislike the redpillers as people (as you commented in your po…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 03:04 AM
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I am replying to you just to check my comment section to see if you are correct. Edit: test it, and you are correct, sir.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/18 11:15 PM
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"Sampling bias" You need to hang around where smart women congregate. A few of them will be hot. Then, you can date someone who is not a loser. It sounds like you are suffering from sampling bias, in that you are surrounded by the 'loser' variety of women. Within that context, your post is 100% correct, and dead-on. But why not try branching out to where the smart/successful women are, and then report back. I'm fortunate to work in a place with go-getters of all types, including women, and they …
/r/TheRedPill05/02/18 02:39 AM
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Irregardless of what anyone says on here (about how we're not wired, or we are wired, how you should get over it, or etc), the truth of your life is individual to you. So, if you feel like you are wired to seek love, that is your unique self. The larger issue you are dealing with is: How can I stop wanting something. Or, perhaps even a larger level: What is the point of all of this. A few key things to remember We weren't designed by evolution to be husbands/wives. There was no dating in the evo…
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 03:54 AM
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none of it is with your wellbeing in mind THIS is the critical part. And it extends to almost everything on the internet that you read or experience. None of it is intended for YOUR self-interest. Realizing that is one of the keys to unlocking MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 11:27 PM
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You're missing the point. "Everything" should be taught in academia, in moderation, and with a focus on critical analysis. That way you prepare people for life after academia, in which they can evaluate claims/arguments for the rest of their life. Plus, if some people want to gravitate toward somewhat useful fields, that's their life, and their freedom to chose. So I agree with your second point (no activism) but disagree with your first point. MGTOW is about freedom. That also means letting oth…
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 11:13 PM
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Your response is golden. And the only way to respond to her insanity. "Agree and amplify"
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 03:35 AM
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Thanks for talking to me about all of this. I think it finally clicked in my head. To each their own, but I think the last thing I said was when it clicked, about how women base the criteria upon whatever is in their own self interest at that moment, either to be a subjective interpretation inside their mind, or an objective determination of a verbal no. I think I have stop looking for clear and consistent rules, and just realize that everyone is going to push whatever is in their own self inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 02:55 AM
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I think its finally starting to click in my head. Thanks for talking to me about all of this. btw, another commenter pointed me to a BDSM sub, and this very issue, in which this was said: She wanted me to guess, and to do more, because telling me would have ruined her fantasy to be forced. So I'm not sure the want v. consent distinction makes sense (to me, anyway). "Telling me would have ruined her fantasy to be forced".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 02:52 AM
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I believe you. I'm trying to understand all of this. But its just not 'clicking', so that must be my fault. I'll keep thinking about this some more. My sense of the world that this is pretty common: She wanted me to guess, and to do more, because telling me would have ruined her fantasy to be forced. And by that, I mean it permeates the entire sexual experience. Not the "forced" part per se, but the idea of a strong dominant man taking what he wants, be it sexually, emotionally, etc. All avenues…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 02:27 AM
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I believe you. I'm not trying to start a fight like some of the posts in here. I'm truly trying to understand. When you say: By definition, rape is sex without consent Does that mean "consent insider her mind" or "consent outwardly so verbalizing yes or no"? I believe you mean the second one, right? Because you said "victim doesn't give consent (verbal or nonverbal)". For example, in my #3, she consents in her mind, but says "NO" outwardly, and the man still takes her because he is overcome with…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 02:12 AM
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I'm trying to understand what constitutes rape, is it the mind of the victim, the perpetrator, or both, or some neutral third party, etc. I'm not talking about rape being ok, or the process of rape, etc. I just thought my 2 x 2 distinction was interesting, and pointed out some unaddressed areas of the conversation. If thats not interesting to you, no worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 01:30 AM
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Maybe I misunderstand rape fantasy. Could be. I was going off how others depict it, both in fiction and in real life. Such as another commenter pointed me to an another sub talking about this issue, and this was an interesting comment over there: She wanted me to guess, and to do more, because telling me would have ruined her fantasy to be forced. So you said (1) she will tell you what scenario she wants to roleplay, (2) but others specifically do something more, such as wanting the ambiguity, (…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 01:11 AM
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Third wave will be replaced by Fourth wave, and etc. It will evolve, so the question is what will it evolve into?
/r/TheRedPill02/02/18 11:57 PM
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This is a process. You were bottling stuff up inside, obviously. And your friends were encouraging her type of behavior. So you felt self righteous need to vent at her, since you know you are right. Now that its over, do you feel better? Then, move on from there, still going through a process. Realize you needed to do that, and its no big deal, but it was about you, not her. Try to find 'why' you needed to vent. Was it her, society, your friends encouraging her behavior, etc. Figure out what you…
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 11:43 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 10:33 PM
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I agree with this completely. I would say 'marital rape' is #2, from my list above. But does she 'feel' like a type of violation when she doesn't want to have sex in the LTR but feels obligated to anyway. Is rape about the mind of the victim, the mind of the perpetrator, or some combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 10:28 PM
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I'm not trying to box you into a corner with a hypothetical. I'm genuinely curious about this crucial element, namely the subjective intent of rape. For example, what is the crucial element that makes something 'rape'? If is the mind of the victim, the mind of the perpetrator, or something else. That is important to understand, at least I want to understand it better. If men were mind readers, and thus knew the girl wanted to have sex, I don't think there could be rape/ravishment fantasy because…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 10:26 PM
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Previous commenter was distinguishing rape fantasy from ravishment. So what if, hypothetically, men WERE mind readers, and actually knew for a fact whether she wanted sex or not. Could rape-fantasy (or ravishment fantasy) even exist? It feels like the fantasy is her thinking he knows she doesn't want it, and doing it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 10:05 PM
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Number 3 is the topic of pretty intense discussion in BDSM circles. Can you elaborate. I'm not familiar with that discussion, and I like reddit for these types of things (learning something new from a different group of people I wouldn't normally have access to talking to)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 09:52 PM
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I think i agree, and that is why I am confused, because if #4 is not rape (even though insider her mind she doesn't want to have sex) but then #3 is also not rape (even though the man thinks he is taking her without her consent), then that means rape is only restricted to (1) the women insider her mind saying no, and (2) the female outwardly saying no to the man. But that interpretation seems counter to what I am hearing in the media/society about affirmative consent, non-verbal signals, etc. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 09:48 PM
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Yep, no doubt. I'm more interested in the general distinction of what constitutes 'rape', specifically the objective/subjective nature of the encounter. Rape is wrong. I'm not arguing its ok. I'm trying to understand the nature of it. For example, #4 (from OP) is an interesting situation in which the person clearly does NOT want to have sex at all, but then lets her husband have sex anyway. Inside, if she feeling raped-ish?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 09:45 PM
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Ok. I'm just trying to learn more about this issue. No need for exasperated tone. I think my question is whether if she says "no" outright, and the guy doesn't know whats inside her mind (that she actually wants to have sex), then it does come across like 'rape'. So she wants to be 'ravished', which I get, but a neutral third party watching the encounter could call the cops for 'rape' if she clearly says no outwardly (even though inside her mind she wants the sex). Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 09:43 PM
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In college you say, then I am going to change my answer, in part. Ever see the movie "Animal House"? Did you know that was based upon some real life people. An article ran in Playboy about that frat house, and they turned it into a movie. In that article, the main character said, to paraphrase: College is four years of your life. When its over these people are gonna be doctors, lawyers, accountants, etc. Boring lives. College is four years to fuck up, get messy, make mistakes, etc. all before ha…
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 07:26 AM
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Tip #1: Imagine the responses, and whether that will solve your 'problem'. For example, if she says she is seeing other people, then what? You mope? You try to change her mind? Now, that is beta. Or, what if she says 'yes'. That means she WAS in fact not seeing other people, so you had what you wanted all along, but now you are looking weak by asking, so you blew it. Or, what if she says yes or no, and is LYING TO YOU. Because people lie. And women are people. Moreover, women have a tendency to …
/r/askTRP02/02/18 07:17 AM
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Where are you? It may be a regional thing. That said, all people behave according to rewards and punishments. Society has removed the shaming consequences of being overweight, and also increased some rewards for it. They don't have to try hard anymore. So they don't.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 06:11 AM
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Their vagina is their main source of identity/status. I'm not saying that to be controversial, just point of fact. So it makes sense they would do anything to protect it. I don't blame them.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 06:02 AM
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It's really a shitty choice from a macroscopic view. Women want to be paid the same as men for the same work, fine. But women want men who earn more than they do. They also want traditionally masculine men without having to be feminine themselves if they don't want to be. Women are pricing themselves out of the market especially because they just don't want to take the lead on anything, not without complaining about how much it sucks to be responsible for shit. This is the answer. People (all pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 02:46 AM
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Since you care about distinctions with rape, here is mine (and I would welcome your thoughts, because I think I stumbled upon some interesting ideas here). I think there are four types of rape, created by the crossing of two factors (so a 2 x 2 design): Factor 1: Does she want to have sex? This is inside her mind. For now lets just say 'yes' or 'no', to make it simple for now. Factor 2: Does she communicate it? For now lets just say 'yes' or 'no', and lets say its verbal or overt. So four possib…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 02:26 AM
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I agree, and I like your distinction. But, be honest for a moment, #2 is not rape until she says no. shifts to a cold, freaked out, or uncomfortable disposition. "Uncomfortable" is inside her head. No way for a man to know that "Freaked out" is inside her head. "Cold", now, this is where you got something. If she suddenly goes lifeless in front of me, that is at least no longer just in her head, and she is trying to communicate something. But some women (and men) are cold and lifeless with sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 02:16 AM
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Men want sex, women want commitment If you are ok with getting that from low power individuals, then both gender's imperative are equally easy. A man can pay for sex in about a half hour, or ask out enough ugly girls until one says yes. A female can secure a beta for commitment in a heartbeat, there are so many low power beta males who are ugly, broke, no hope of getting a girl, that would jump at chance to be commitment. Now what about 'high power' individuals. The answer depends entirely upon …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/18 02:11 AM
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Now this is why I come to Reddit. That is interesting. Thanks for sharing.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:57 AM
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Related: right now on AMA, there is a prostitute, when asked what is the common request from men, she said: "Pretending to love them!" Also, an article out of Australia about a high class call girl was that her most common request from married men was: To have her listen to them, treat them with respect, and empathy. Apparently they weren't getting that from their wives, and were paying for "emotional support" from the prostitute. Perhaps men and women are the same afterall. We just want some lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:54 AM
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No, they argue women are obsessed with Chads "looks". And, then women want a big dick if they can. That is why male strippers need to be hot looking (and then have big dick as a bonus). Imagine a fat ugly 50-year male stripper, but who happened to have a big dick. I doubt the women who gravitate toward that one, over the younger hotter one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:45 AM
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Women are aroused by being desired by attractive men. I believe you. And evolution dictates that very thing. Females need to acquire the resources of the alpha/tribe, so the signal of the success of that resource allocation strategy is evidence of "desire" from the high power provider. But, that also means women are lying when they say they just want a 'nice guy'. The nice guy is low power, and thus attention or desire from him is 'worthless' (or not worth very much :) because it does not signal…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:41 AM
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Women want resources, primarily, not sex (from an evolutionary perspective). So if there was a prostitute-equivalent for giving "resources", they would hit that in a heartbeat. For example, imagine if instead of paying a guy to come over and give them sex (traditional prostitute), there was a guy who would come over, take them out to a dinner (so free resources) and give them affection (so free attention, a form of resources they crave), and maybe even give them gifts (so actual resources), well…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:30 AM
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Thanks for your response, btw. Its a lot to digest, so I'm going to take it all in for a bit. But here is a quick response, to this thought: If I must say something, then try to be like a puppy playing in a field. Dogs are the future for humanity after all. Do women want a puppy, or a wolf? Women seem to like the badboy, the dark triad, and all that. They seem to chase after the wolves, and dismiss the beta puppies who give them unconditional affection. I want to be the puppy. I am in the puppy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:25 AM
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Interestingly, that is what the researchers think happens. Namely, we evolved Caregiving (for child) and Attachment (for parents), so we then CARRY THAT OVER into adult relationships, and find partners for which we feel a type of attachment (so we are looking for another parent-type to love and care for us) or we feel a type of caregiving (so we want to care for our partner in same way). Remember, long term romantic relationships didn't exist when we were monkeys for millions of years. We didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:40 PM
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Thanks for responding. These issues are complex so I'm going to digest it all. I think my quibble is how people define things based upon whichever criteria suits "them" in that moment, so sometimes they base things on sender intent, sometimes receiver perception, and sometimes third party perspective. I honestly just wish I knew which one people wanted to stick with, and i would stick with it too. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:29 PM
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I'm so glad I was born a man. I honestly can't imagine how crappy it must be as a female, now that I understand female nature. But I think they do feel real existential pain, even more so than us. They are designed by evolution to need a man. They can't survive on their own, from an evolutionary perspective, so need to acquire resources of alpha/tribe, so they are desperate to be liked, and not having a man activates that death/survival response. Combine that with the heightened emotionality, an…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:21 AM
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yeah, i'm totally ok with that interpretation, it could be cognitive dissonance. Like I said, its a morally quandary for me. I think about it a bunch. I was hoping for a real discussion with you, rather than one-liners, because your original comment was thoughtful, so hoping for more thoughtfulness. But if thats not you, then just stop responding, I'm ok with that. Anyway, I think my issue is the idea of "outcome". You said that if outcome is hurtful to you, then withholding compliments is bad a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 06:51 AM
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I think my question is what if my natural state is TOO affectionate. (Once I got over my shyness I became very affectionate, maybe too much so, because I was so happy to be in a relationship). So pulling back actually makes the relationship more healthy. So, technically I am "withholding affection", but in reality I am just holding it back to normal levels that she appreciates (not too much, not too little). So, the "withholding affection" is manipulation, and it is designed to influence her, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 05:57 AM
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I don't want to descend into redpill/bluepill, if thats ok. I am just genuinely interested in this very dynamic (is not complimenting a type of manipulation, and is it bad, or morally wrong). Its a moral quandary for me. For example I didn't compliment my girlfriends in my youth. I was shy. Didn't know how to date, etc. So, is your bf "manipulating" you if he is not aware of his actions? If he is not purposefully withholding the compliment, is his actions wrong? That is Question #1 Second, what …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:39 AM
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I believe you, and I like your parsing of the concept. But notice you are defining the term based upon your subjective interpretation of whether you 'feel' harmed by another person's actions. Honest question: Should we define words by the sender's intent, the receiver's perception, or a third-party neutral perspective (if that is even possible)?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/18 04:25 AM
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If she loves him, she doesn't need the piece of paper. That said, he is probably gonna leave her when she gets old(er), because he is fit, rich, famous, etc, and the simple desire to be with another women before he dies will take hold eventually.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:50 AM
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"Feminism ends the minute the lights go out, and don't come back on". So, how do you reconcile those two ideas: You say feminism is true female nature. BUT, hostile Western feminism ends the minutes the lights go out and they seek the protection of alpha, and THAT seems like true female nature.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:47 PM
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Women didn't evolve to be satisfied. Females evolved from the low-power situation, in which they can't survive on their own from an evolutionary perspective, and can't take resources by force, so they evolved social tactics to acquire the resources of the alpha/tribe. In other words, its literally their objective to keep 'asking' for stuff, and never stop. All interactions with women follow this pattern, all the way up to the societal level with the recent womens March in which they keep asking …
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:39 PM
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btw, another commenter posted a lengthy essay about "Sugar Daddy" websites (including pay, lifestyle, comparison to hookers, etc). The take-home message is that you pay essentially their rent each month (around $1500) to have the girlfriend experience anytime you want, so you just call them up, they come over, they are their best self with you, all the girlfriend stuff you want, and then they leave. With your savings, by the time you reach 30s and 40s, you can easily afford the SugarDaddy lifest…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:52 PM
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Would the metoo movement still occurred if Trump didn't win? Yes, I think so. I think that womens March was about Trump. But the meetoo was inevitable. As females/liberals/etc gain more and more power in society, they eventually turn on their own. That is the meetoo. And it will keep getting worse. And if males were in charge, they would eventually turn on their own. If any group was in charge, eventually too much power over too much time leads to imbalance, and collapse.
/r/TheRedPill27/01/18 04:52 AM
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Briffaults law is the interpersonal transactional nature of relationships. What I am talking about is the societal sublimination of male nature. For example, in Eastern countries such as the middle east, Briffaults law still applies to the individual interpersonal relationships, but there is not a societal shift away from denying man's true essence. Notice, I am not saying we should adopt their culture, only that in our own Western culture a few generations ago, mans true nature was celebrated a…
/r/TheRedPill26/01/18 09:41 PM
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So they just give up at the first ever hardship in their life. This is an interesting idea. Thank you for sharing.
/r/TheRedPill26/01/18 08:12 AM
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A statement from another commenter that changed my worldview: "When young boys enter school they have to conform to the behavioral norms of girls. When they get to middle school they have to conform to the behavioral norms of girls When they get to high school, to college, to graduate school, to the work place, to long term relationships... they have to conform to the behavior norms of girls." It took me a while to grasp the enormity of that debilitating atrocity. What does this mean for your po…
/r/TheRedPill26/01/18 08:10 AM
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I didn't quite understand their desire to normalize cucks until now, until this cartoon. She wants the beta provider to be subservient, because in her mind she never loved him, never had the tingles, the way she did for alpha (demon in this cartoon). Beta is just a resource, to be owned, and hence the leash. So normalizing cucks is just another step in that direction, to take the simp beta and make him feel its normal to be that way, to let alpha in to the relationship, so she can have both AF a…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 05:29 AM
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I feel your pain, but... your post might belong better in asktrp, or, if you are thinking of keeping it here try providing more substantive content, such as connecting your experience to some RedPill principles For example... Question: Why can't some women just tell you why they're not interested? Potential Answers: Females evolved to acquire resources from a 'provider'. Perhaps she found a better source of resources, and ghosted you. Perhaps she felt like she got all your resources already (suc…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 12:45 AM
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I would say you are redpilled but not all the way to MGTOW. And thats not a criticism. You seem to have your life worked out. Way to go. The question is whether MGTOW is a mindset, or behaviors. If its just a mindset, then I guess anyone could be MGTOW, even married people. If its behavior, then try googling MGTOW, and you will see its about separatism, so separating yourself (from females strictly, and society in general). My personal take: I don't care what MGTOW is, or what other people think…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 12:23 AM
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You can be married and understand MGTOW but you aren't MGTOW. It's like someone who claims to be a deep diver but is still sitting up in the boat. You haven't dived in. You haven't experienced it and live it. This is the correct answer.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 12:15 AM
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I think you hit it on the head. They ignore reality when it conflicts with their feelings. The "matrix" analogy really is perfect for the redpill / bluepill concept. They really are living in a matrix, and they WANT IT.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 07:56 PM
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Two parter: She felt 'terror'. And for that I feel empathy for her. She also seemed to handle her life pretty well, stay on the right track, unlike many child stars. But. Was the intent of those men to 'terrorize' her? They were sexualizing her, for sure, and we can have an argument about the appropriateness of their behavior in our society, but the intent was clearly not terror. If we keep devaluing words that have actual meanings, then what is left? If we keep moving the goal posts farther and…
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 07:09 AM
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What did he do? I don't remember hearing about him sexually abusing someone. But, even if he did, its a numbers game. How many women do you think fall over themselves for celebrities? And rich celebrities? And hot rich celebrities? And then there are a few who don't. Think of that girl who accused Ansari. Now imagine if it was Ryan Gosling with her instead. She would be so excited. So turned on.... So different outcome.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 06:02 AM
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And if you had your way, you would enforce laws Yikes. I'm saying this in a true and genuine way, but perhaps you mean one of the other commenters. I've been having a pleasant conversation with you, I thought, and never even approached the idea of control, or laws, or enforcement. You are projecting all of that. Can you see that? btw, I don't understand the "we can't be sluts without your consent". Can you clarify?
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 10:48 PM
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You ARE allowed to criticize. They just criticize you right back for doing it. So stop caring what they think, and problem solved. MGTOW
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 08:52 PM
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She did it because she knew she could. People only do things based upon the consequences. Culture used to push back against this type of behavior, but that is gone now. AND, be honest with yourself, since your group of friends were brought up in that culture, and provide no consequences to this type of behavior, she is doing what she knows she can get away with.
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 04:49 AM
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I don't know what is the right answer for your friend. I don't know what is the right answer for anyone. Different people are different. But life is a cost / benefit analysis. Some people date, get married, etc, and follow the path you want for your friend, and realize the cost is too high, and wish they had taken a different path. Conversely, some don't get married, and realize later the cost. Different people are different. Perhaps instead of pushing what you want on your friend, let people de…
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 04:30 AM
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The interesting thing is when they DO become viable, I wonder if people will post on this subreddit their experiences. There is a subreddit for everything, so I bet sexbot subreddits will become a thing. People sharing news and info, and how to hack them or upgrade them, etc. The future is gonna be crazy
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 11:20 PM
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You are right about my incorrect use of terminology. Others have pointed it out before. I use agency when talking about evolution. I know its incorrect but saying "Evolution designed us a certain way" makes sense to most people who are not familiar with the technical language used in evolutionary theory. I'm happy to use that technical language if you wish, I've just found most people realize what i am saying by "Evolution designed us..." If you can't understand that, let me know. Regarding your…
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:19 PM
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I agree completely. I'm not in favor of UBI. Just saying its inevitable. Automation can do a lot of low-level jobs. So unemployment will be super high. And those are the very people at the lower income levels hardest hit by losing their jobs. So its either UBI or 80% homeless people. Social networks can't fix that. IMO.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:10 PM
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Here's a related question that answers your question: What if all men said they would only provide resources to women if the women were pure/virginal? In that case, the women would trip over themselves trying to be as vriginal as possible, and we would be back to the traditional ways of the past. Will men do that? No. Because they want sex. So when its offered (from virgin or slut or anyone in between), they take it. So flip the script. Instead of men saying they will only provide resources (and…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 06:47 AM
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Yes. It will never be enough. From an evolutionary perspective given that females are lower power in the social dynamic, they tend to want to acquire more power, but since they were designed for low power they don't know how to be high power, to find balance at the top, to make the tribe run smoothly, etc. They will always want more. Men can acquire power, and know what to do with it, and find balance and stop. The female evolutionary drive is to acquire the resources from alpha/tribe. They were…
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 05:31 AM
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Didn't know about that. Thanks for sharing. I just googled enthusiastic consent. And I think I can safely say the world is fucked. If they are moving the goal posts that far, we really are just watching the collapse at this point. "Consent", via saying yes or no, is objective. Its literally saying it out loud. But with "enthusiastic" consent, they are purposely inserting ambiguity, and basing it all within the mind of the female.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 09:23 PM
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Thats an interesting point I had not considered. Thank you
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 08:13 PM
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Thats an awesome response. Thank you.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 04:54 AM
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I agree that the intent of the meetoo movement is to refine the nature of social interactions itself, such that its based entirely on their subjective mindset (either then, or later). But the OP survey I think is separate, and perhaps was collected before the whole meetoo thing anyway. That survey is simply asking to imagine a few scenarios, and in their heads I suspect they thought of 'beta', not Ryan Gosling. That is the point I was trying to make. When women get worked up about harrassment, t…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 04:24 AM
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Yours is a very interesting comment. Thank you. I come to reddit to get a larger perspective. And you are right. I didn't put two-and-two together until you said it. With gay men, they see someone who was never a viable source of resources (since the gay men never wanted females in the first place) but men who actively walk away from females are REMOVING THEIR RESOURCES from female acquisition. Those resources are more than just monetary, but also emotional support, security, sperm, child rearin…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:07 AM
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absolving all personal responsibility I would take it even farther and saying the metoo movement is about trying to redefine social interactions itself based upon the subjective thoughts inside her mind. So whatever thoughts she is thinking at the moment is therefore reality of what occurred, and is therefore a punishable crime.
/r/TheRedPill16/01/18 03:00 AM
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I agree. It sounds crazy. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe evolution is wrong. Who knows. But it does have some predictive validity. And just yesterday a female commenter in another sub explained to me that women will sometimes consent to sex (even if they don't want to have sex) rather than have to explain to the guy why she doesn't want to have sex, because when she refuses, he will ask 'why not', and she said women don't want to have to go through that whole explanation, so they just have sex inste…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 02:50 AM
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I think you are right: they don't even know it. I think three historical trends are converging for a perfect storm. First, females are getting worse, and its escalating. Second, men are waking up more and more, in part as push back. I heard a recent (liberal) academic speak about how MSM agenda has created the very alt-right movement it fights again BECAUSE it fights against it, so there is always push back. As females get worse, there is push back, more waking up. And third, the technology for …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:43 AM
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Stop this oh poor me pity party garbage. If that is how you see it maybe you are projecting. I see it as an interesting debate about the future of interpersonal relationships, which is truly fascinating, in my opinion. To answer your question about money, its important to realize that women are earning more and more each year, especially in the big cities where this type of arrangement is likely to flourish, and the idea behind this type of harem is that the females are in charge, so pooling the…
/r/TheRedPill15/01/18 04:48 AM
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They are louder, and loud wins these days. Its not just women. Social media engenders all idiots who want to yell to have the most power. What is the solution? Who knows. No one will put down their phones anymore. And without checks-and-balances the system will tend toward collapse. So maybe we let is collapse.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 10:29 PM
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I'm open to whatever word you want to use other than "almost exclusively". Pick some schools, and check the faculty roster at philosophy versus related disciplines. If you want to quibble with my words, fine, but the underlying point is interesting, in my opinion. Different sexes gravitate toward different careers. Even to the point that within the same world (academia) and within the same framework (social sciences), the females tend toward things like psychology and social studies, and less so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 09:17 PM
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I'm not female so not responding to your question, but wanted to ask if you could summarize the responses when you are done, and post the results. I would be interested in the results. My quick skim of the comments indicates that few had any real SPECIFIC instance, but they still persist in feeling like society in general is telling them they are inferior. I am curious why. I hope we get the answer eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 08:39 PM
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On a larger context, have you noticed most social science departments at universities are increasing female, but "Philosophy" departments are still almost exclusively male. Its as if they don't want to go into a profession where they have to think deeply.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/18 08:34 PM
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What do you mean by "proof"? Do you mean scientific articles? If so, then there is a whole field on evolution you can check out. I am not being snarky here. I just mean there is a whole field if you are interested. I like reading that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 09:31 PM
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I'll take my shot at explaining: "Globalism" is economic and foreign policy on a global basis, meaning less about borders and more about policies that allow free exchange across nation states. From an evolutionary perspective, females were designed to run the family, and males were designed to run the tribe. So, to take 'immigration' policy, for example, the feminine impetus is to care for families, allow them to reconnect, even if across borders, keep them intact, allow them the ability to make…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/18 02:30 AM
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Hi again, At first I discounted your idea. I was the one who said "supply and demand". But I think I am wrong. I am man enough to admit it. It took me a while to get on board with your idea. Another commenter u/metallica11 said the future is "Dating Apps openly supporting "lead" men and providing them to women. The "alpha fucks" phase being projected as a "trendy" and "necessary" component part of female growth, on the same line as going to prom in high school." Here was my response, and what I …
/r/TheRedPill12/01/18 11:04 PM
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I believe it. I believe everything you said, including the last part about it being projected as a necessary component of female growth, where the younger naive females will be groomed into it by the older alpha females who want to be queen bee in the social dynamic and procure younger willing sex toys for the alpha. I also agree about your idea of Apps that find a lead man for women. I personally don't think a "harem" will be the strict version of that term, or anything close to the polygamy of…
/r/TheRedPill12/01/18 10:59 PM
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It's in your biology to care True. But like anything in life, you can offset it. Its in our biology to rape, but we stop it. Its in our biology to be violent but we control it. etc. There are ways to offset caring. Get best of both worlds.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 05:04 PM
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Appreciate it!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 03:18 AM
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I am just a low-letter peon in this TRP mess, and clearly no professed expert like others, but to play counterpoint: Supply and demand. There is simply not enough alphas. We have all seen their attractiveness ratings from the Okcupid study. There is only 7% in the top half of the scale. And there are even fewer rich guys, or RedPill guys, etc. Sex with Betas is (or soon will be) considered rape I believe it. They already think it in their heads. But there are not enough alphas. They will still h…
/r/TheRedPill11/01/18 01:52 AM
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At over 600 comments, no one is going to read my comment, but I hope someone out there does, because I think I stumbled upon something interesting. Wall of text, obviously, so I'm sure everyone will ignore it, so just jump to the summary at end. The movie was not just the Female Power Fantasy, but the tearing down of the Male Power Fantasy, so why did it have to do that? That is the topic of my comment. For example, LastJedi was two movies in one, side-by-side, with Rey's journey and Poe/Finn's …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 09:56 PM
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I disagree. What i want from them is emotional support. I like talking about my feelings. I am beta that way. But I need to release it somehow. So I have female friends I can dump it on. So its not one-sided at all. I am using them for my emotional needs. And they use me for theirs. Edit: I should add. If you are their source of emotional support, they are friends with you for life. I am still friends with them after decades. I will never fuck them, obviously, but as long as I get what i need ou…
/r/TheRedPill08/01/18 10:34 PM
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Historically they would be fine if this was pre-sexual revolution. People paired off early, built a life together, and society provided the necessary constraints against AWALT, at least as best it could. Nothing is perfect. AND... she would actually be happier. The societal constraints would provide the necessary means for her to stay, not self-sabotage, and engage in long-term benefits that she will now not acquire. There are no unicorns. There are only girls who have yet to express their true …
/r/TheRedPill08/01/18 09:16 AM
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Like male friends. Or more precisely, I acted like a female friend to them because I was very beta, in that I have a high need for emotional connection/relationships. Females provided that. So I always gravitated toward them in school and even after I graduated. I still have that desire for strong emotional connection, expressiveness, talking about my emotions, understanding their emotions, etc. TRP taught me to suppress it around women I want to date. Otherwise I let it loose on my female frien…
/r/TheRedPill08/01/18 06:11 AM
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100% on board with everything you said. Except the 'self-awareness' part. The matrix was populated with NPCs. They are the NPCs. An agent is self-aware. Can understand why he is doing what he is doing. Female's can't. Here is my reasoning. Its a wall of text. So feel free to disregard. My friends have always been female, so I've spent a lifetime probing why they do what they do. (I'm a social science researcher so I gravitate toward those questions naturally). I've noticed two things: First, whe…
/r/TheRedPill07/01/18 10:02 PM
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I am not disagreeing with you about their skills. Only their self-awareness. They are NOT "redpilled". That implies they (1) are aware of the illusion, (2) chose to take a pill to remove that illusion. Instead, they are running on pure instinct. How evolution designed them. No self-awareness. Just designed for social manipulation. In the Matrix movie, remember the training scene with the girl in the red dress. Computer program. Not self aware. Super hot. Using sex as weapon to distract Neo.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/18 09:01 PM
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If you consider 'women as the gatekeepers of sex', then her ultimate validation is giving you sex. Conversely, men are the gatekeepers of commitment, which is why women know its easy to get a guy to give them sex, but harder to get men to give them commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 06:39 AM
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If this is an honest question, I would say: First, an interesting statistic: According to the U.S. Census Bureau's Current Population Survey, in 2014, 47.6 percent of women between age 15 and 44 had never had children, up from 46.5 percent in 2012. This represents the highest percentage of childless women since the bureau started tracking that data in 1976. So a LOT of people don't have kids, and this is common throughout history. So its common to deal with issue of elder care without children. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 05:46 AM
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No. I like that phrasing of "Evolution designed..." I understand its incorrect. But, people doesn't really understand the evolutionary process. You have to dumb it down to make it understandable. My phrasing helps people understand the concepts better. IMO.
/r/TheRedPill02/01/18 03:34 AM
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Evolution designed females to run the family. And designed males to run the tribe.
/r/TheRedPill02/01/18 01:55 AM
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I believe it. They are a herd/hive mentality. And they WANT to break free and do this anyway, so all they need is the social acceptance of someone doing it first.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 06:27 AM
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All humans want "more". Females will keep asking for stuff, no matter how much they get. Men are the same. Republicans are the same. Democrats are the same. and so on. Just because someone asks for something, doesn't mean you give it to them. However, men are doing just that. We, as a society, keep giving. Don't blame women are asking for it or getting it. Blame us for giving it to them. The answer is simple: Stop giving, anything, ever. That is true MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 03:45 AM
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This issue is complicated. I'm a teacher, btw, but I don't claim to be an expert on this subject, only some knowledge to share: All people have a self-serving interest, so no matter who is in charge (of the classroom) there will be some bias Part of that bias is toward the 'smarter' students. Research over a few decades on the self fullfilling prophecy has shown that telling teachers that some students are smarter than others will make those teachers try harder for the smarter students and thus …
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 02:03 AM
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The bluepill I used to be would be amazed by that jpg. Now I just cringe at my old self for not seeing the truth sooner. And its interesting that the two on the left that both promise sex in exchange for taking down the photos start with "life & death" and "I'm gonna die". To them, losing their current boyfriend feels like a matter of life and DEATH to them. To be lonely and without a man feels like death to them. So much that they are willing to prostitute themselves out.
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 01:52 AM
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My 2 cents: Reputation is just another part of the their "Facade" Being the lower-power sex from an evolutionary perspective, they have to put themselves into a position to attract the high power sex. Hence a facade. Direct face-to-face facade is the make-up, the clothes, acting nice and pure, laughing at your jokes, etc. Its communicating a certain type of outward appearance to conceal a least pleasant reality within. Indirect (or social) facade is the same type of 'communicating an outward app…
/r/TheRedPill29/12/17 10:21 PM
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To play devils' advocate: Given 80/20 rule (roughly), if you are the kind of guy who women WANT to pay for sex, then you are the type of guy who is getting it for free already. So, in that situation, based upon how men value attractiveness over money, you may still based your choices on how attractive the women is, not on money, and thus the 'money' would just be a bonus if she happens to be hot.
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 10:07 PM
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Like all economic models, "outsourcing" is the logical next step.
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 10:03 PM
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"Literal whoredom" is just around the corner. We will see it in our lifetime. It only took a few years for Tinder to devolve into women saying, "Send me $5 and see what happens". Imagine what will happen in the next few years? They want money. Men was sex. And society is slowly moving toward general acceptance of whoredome, such as sugardaddies, etc. The Vanity Fair article is just one small step in that direction. Soon you will be able to just order sex on a menu, with prices for each act, base…
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 10:02 PM
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Yes, let is burn. You can't put genie back in the body. All you can do is burn the bottle down. I am hoping the burning process will accelerate, so we can get to the other side during my lifetime.
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 09:58 PM
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Females know their "value". Its their bodies. But only during a short period of time when they are young. They know this, completely and deeply. That is why they hate being called hoes, or whores or sluts. Because they know they are one. If you call a skinny person a "land whale", they are just going to laugh it off because they know its not true. But if you say the same thing to a girl who thinks she is fat, she will explode with sadness, anger, and real emotion. You can tell how someone thinks…
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 09:57 PM
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Yes. Her natural state (AWALT) is to try as little as possible. So you have to keep pushing your value to what you want from the relationship. But, the flip side is no matter how much you work on yourself, even if you are perfect, the AWALT nature means she will still give even more to "Chad" to get him (if she perceives him as higher value). You can work on yourself all you want, but AWALT is still there.
/r/TheRedPill23/12/17 05:48 PM
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Yes, AWALT is natural. That is why unicorns don't exist, and why they are called unicorns in the first place. The natural state is one that men don't want, and have to find a way to push her into an unnatural state to get what they want from the relationship.
/r/TheRedPill23/12/17 05:44 PM
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Yikes. You reverted to name calling. Not a good sign that you think you are right. I've never had to insult someone when I know I am right. I'm going to sign off now. I wanted a good conversation. What I got instead from you is emotion, and a history lesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 05:40 PM
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Perhaps you are right. But its easy to test. Have "Chad" hit on her. See if she gives her best (better) self to him. And in fact, we already know the answer to that question because people all over the web, including her, report their experiences, including real-life Chad, who say the same thing over and over about how they give her best to him not her boyfriend, etc. Perhaps its all lies, who knows, but it also conforms with my personal experiences. So even the girl who "jumps to Bill because g…
/r/TheRedPill23/12/17 05:37 PM
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Great post. I would add... AWALT is not "yes/no" but a matter of degrees. One oft mentioned theme on TRP is how she gives her best self to Chad in a way she doesn't give to beta. Likewise in all relationships her initial effort to get the man starts to dwindle over time, and she gives less and less of her best self. So lets say she is only giving 60% of best self, to be conservative. That is still AWALT, even before she 'cheats' (and "yes" v "no" dichotomy). So AWALT is always occurring continuo…
/r/TheRedPill23/12/17 03:19 AM
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Do you really believe this? Its hard to tell. Your idea goes against all the science on marriage. But, if you truly believe this, and want your view challenged, then Google "men comfortable with ambitious women" and you will see some startling things. Startling, I say!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 01:53 AM
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I'm happy to keep discussing this, but you did just say "sure it isn't" to my point about not requiring a higher power, so... doesn't that mean you agree with my point? Your point is that "nobody else is doing to take it seriously", but they are not in the marriage, right? Who cares if no one takes it seriously? Imagine two people who run away and get married but the family doesn't consent (such as religious objections). The couple is still 'married' irrespective of these other people who are su…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 01:49 AM
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Your quoting the exception to the rule, which is fine, but realize that 'marriage' has nothing to do with state and/or God because its not necessary. Any two people can stand up and pledge their commitment to each other for a life-long relationship. But, for some reason in the Western world we only 'accept' that as marriage if its in front of others (ceremony), a religious authority, or state marriage office. No higher power is required for the pledge between two people. The only reason its incl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:40 PM
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I'll answer your questions honestly, but realize that your stated premise "women see child as express purpose of marrying in first place" renders the female in that situation as the PROBLEM, because marriage is a contract between man and woman, not child. If she is marrying 'express purpose' of having a child, and not 'express purpose' for the man because she loves him, then that is problem right there. That said, the answer to all of your questions is one word: Openness. Each party should be op…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 08:10 AM
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Is this a serious question? If so, my response: If you accept "evolution" as a real thing, and then accept that men were designed by evolution to want purity (because then any child from the mother is solely that mans and not a bastard of another man), and thus accept men's brains are hardwired to want purity, then look around the Western world and realize they will likely never get it (for good or bad, there are few virgins who marry their first partner in Western culture), then... from their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 07:54 AM
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If this really is a "CMV", here is my 2 cents: Women are perceived as the weaker sex. So forcing low-power people to do things comes across as abhorrent in Western society, for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 07:47 AM
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Is one side right? and other wrong? When you say "solution", the assumption is that there is an optimal endpoint that everyone is trying to reach. I think people are different. So different goals. BluePill may work for some, Red for others, Black for others, and one day a new color will emerge, and so on. But, if you are asking "whats the point of this?", the answer is people cycle through here, get what they need, and move on, so think of this place as a type of therapy, with new people arrivin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 07:41 AM
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In this case, they are the same thing (larger focus explaining smaller focus). The reason for the "granular" one, as you put it, is explained by the larger focus. And, it also explains our response, which is the purpose of this post and my comment.
/r/MGTOW22/12/17 12:17 AM
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You are right. It happened slowly at first, but then in a big jump after incels shut down and they flooded in here. There is nothing wrong with negatively per se. This sub is designed as a 'process' in which the anger phase turns into acceptance. In the past there was more acceptance (less anger) and now there is more anger (and less acceptance). If you want to make a positive change, then let them post their angry posts, and then you respond in the comments with the healthy positive stuff helpi…
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 10:13 PM
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When Tinder moved to the "Give me $5 and see what happens", I was openly hoping it would drastically accelerate over time to women simply listing on a menu what they would do for each price point. It would solve everything. List it like a menu, and even add this 'emotional support' from this post. Hell, add everything you can think of. Then, I, and each man, can pick and choose what we are willing to pay for, what we want and need, and from which girl(s). Once its all on the table, the law of su…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/17 08:24 AM
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Another commenter a few months ago reported on a trend he saw in Big Cities where females were pairing off for relationships, and then 'ordering' men like on a menu to show up for sex when the females wanted sex. He sensed the females were not lesbian but straight woman who got the entire relationship with women except for the (straight) sex that they ordered up on tinder or other apps. Makes sense. As women become more educated, higher income earners, taking more and more from the 'state', they…
/r/TheRedPill21/12/17 08:12 AM
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I was the same as you. Saw that comment. Went to the website. And fu**king hell I went down a rabbit hole. There was one about a british model arranging with a sheikh the price for having sex with his 13 year old cousin. 13-years-old! And she didn't even care about the age. She only cared about negotiating how much. Its hard to handle.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/17 06:18 AM
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Honest question: Which roles did she need to land? I'm looking at her movie bio and I don't think any of them involve Weinstein. After Harry Potter she was already a name/fame, and she didn't even star in that many movies afterward (2-3 or so) as the headliner. That feels different than the Jennifer Lawrence situation who was a nobody, and needed a break, and worked with Weistein a lot, over and over.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 06:24 PM
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The world is a mess-up place. I even saw a lady in California who 'married' a buss terminal. The actual building. With a ceremony and everything. But then I remind myself that all that crazy crap has ALWAYS existed, but we never heard about it because we weren't connected (the internet) and unrestricted (modern Western culture). I bet 'findom' existed for centuries in some form or another, and its only now reddit creates a platform that we see it for the first time. The unveiling of the true nat…
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 05:27 AM
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Department chair. That is your first point of contact. That is also the teachers first immediate 'boss'. If there is no department chair (depending upon the type of college), then go to Dean (the boss of the department chair). Many times the boss (either chair or dean) simply want these types of things to go away, and will fix it quickly. They are bureaucrats. They hate having to deal with issues. And are very motivated to just make it go away by giving you what you want. Also, they may know of …
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 05:21 AM
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Yikes. Did I say anything you hallucinated I said (shut up, stop talking, speak our minds, bottle, etc). All I said was I wanted a place like the old MGTOW and wanted to go find it. Also, the old MGTOW had more discussion, more explanation, more critical thinking. How is more of that a bad thing.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 06:41 PM
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Yes! They know EXACTLY how powerful it is... to them. So they use in other females, and try to use it on males... but we can break free from it, in a way they can't.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 06:34 PM
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As a rule of thumb, I like to add the words "... who is a Chad" at the end of sentences I hear from females. For example, "I just wish I had somebody to help make decisions... who is a Chad". or "I can't find any good guys who anymore.... who is a Chad". Although I find that word 'chad' a little stupid, it does fit perfectly in this case. Everything a girls says unconsciously ends with those words "....who is a Chad".
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 06:31 PM
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Perhaps a societal level "five stages of loss" So it starts with denial/isolation: which I think started happening a decade or so ago, and has lead to men dropping out And then leads to anger, and other emotions before finally reaching acceptance. So, as a society, we might reach acceptance. But I suspect that sex bots and (fully immersive) virtual reality (porn) will prevent any large-scale violent outbreaks. Anyway, the reason I'm posting is your last comment: Women have sewn the seeds of thei…
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 06:12 AM
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As I mentioned in another post.... Perhaps we should try to help people work through the anger phase, rather than throw them out. Interestingly, MGTOW is not unlike r/TwoXChromosomes, in that in TwoX, the posts typically involve a certain ting of lonliness, worry, sadness, etc. In MGTOW, its the other end of the spectrum toward anger. But both are helping the community deal with the emotion. Have you heard of Approach/Avoidance? Females tend toward the latter, usually withdrawal, worry, etc. Mal…
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 08:02 AM
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That idea goes both ways. Its ok to post what you want Its ok to comment what you want, including the boundaries of what constitutes MGTOW. Free expression means free expression Plus, I don't mind other people voicing their opinion. Its that a core of going your own way.
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 07:21 AM
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If they are just reading theories on here, I would agree with your observation of intransigence But Redpill (and blue pill) are also a concrete strategy/skill that can be applied in life. I've found (generally) that if people try RedPill, it works for them. So then they change their minds about it. I really wish this sub would just go out and try all the Red and Blue pill ideas, and report back their experiences. That is real change (in either direction).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 05:26 AM
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I like these posts, thinking about the FUTURE of society, redpill, etc. Here is my take: In the short term, RedPill will become ESSENTIAL. As an example, China recently enacted their SOCIAL RATING system, so each person in the system gets "points", including who you socialize with. The goal of the project is for everyone in the country to eventually be reduced to a number. A number that helps determine if you get a home loan, or a good job, etc. That is scary enough on its own, but it won't be l…
/r/TheRedPill02/12/17 08:09 AM
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ha! I did the same thing (stop all media for a long while) and when I came back I had the experience as you. Perhaps its like the lobster in hot water, where if you turn up the heat super slowly over time, the lobster doesn't recognize it and eventually burns to death.
/r/MGTOW19/11/17 10:27 PM
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If this is true (and I do believe you), then why is it so much more extreme now?
/r/askTRP26/08/17 07:30 AM
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And, to add to your evidence something I read on the internet a few years ago that changed my understanding/illusion of society... In elementary school young boys have to conform to the behavior norms of girls. In middle school they have to conform to the behavior norms of girls. In high school, in college, and even in the workplace men have to conform to the behavior norms of females. Even in long term relationships they have to conform to the behavior norms of females. All of society is design…
/r/askTRP24/08/17 04:20 AM
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This is why I like Reddit. You provided a well-reasoned reply, and made me think about the topic in a new way. Imagine if Reddit (or related products) didn't exist, and we lost access to sharing knowledge.
/r/askTRP11/08/17 05:36 AM
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"Slut shaming" I'm not a RTP expert. But I found your question interesting. So here goes: Assuming girls have a AF/BB mating strategy, then having nice guys (BB) in society helps them greatly in the long run They can't SAY they want AF because of slut-shaming in society. So they (secretly) want to be dominated, hoping they guy they are with will break from the beta-pack and degrade them in private, but then still have the pretense of being innocent/non-slutty in public. The really interesting qu…
/r/askTRP10/08/17 06:11 AM
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Google "girls like jerks" and you will see summaries of scientific studies about the dark triad. I'm not one of those guys on the sub that needs scientific research to support everything, and I definitely like anecdotes and other peoples stories when people write comments, but when you say "trope trotted around" its important to realize that a quick google search could yield interesting scientific support (or opposition) to many of the idea and theories reported in this sub. I realize no one wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:47 AM
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Comment of the day, by far.
/r/TheRedPill24/07/17 05:47 AM
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Late to the party, but here are my two cents: Its more than just AWALT, but the combination of evolutionary disposition and cultural integration. My workplace is an intersection of many cultures, and I've noticed over the years females from certain cultures like Asia or Latin America have a cultural upbringing and social circle that provides restrictions to hypergamy, such as slut shaming. They wouldn't act on their instincts to fuck Chris Brown because they know when they go back to their socia…
/r/TheRedPill22/07/17 06:27 AM
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An interesting post a few months back argued that women feel they 'acquire' the SMV of the man they have sex with. If so, then Chris Brown was the most intoxicating "ego validation" possible for this girl. Of course she would throw away the good/healthy relationship with the boyfriend because just that one act with Chris Brown raised her SMV up to his, and for the rest of her life she can hold that in her mind as her worth or value.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/17 06:02 AM
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What I like about your idea is that its not 'commitment' per se that you are dangling in front of her, but the ability to rise to your SMV. That puts a new spin on it, at least for me. Your idea also fits, I think, with the 'princess' fantasy that women have. All the fairtales and Disney movies have the girl getting the prince, and then she instantly ascends to literally a new level, a 'princess'. In male fairtales we are still ourselves essentially at the end of the story, but female fairtales …
/r/TheRedPill28/06/17 07:50 AM
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I think it may be both. The low value (such as fat chick) sets the higher standard because she wants to ascend to that level, even if its only in her own mind. But then once someone starts dating up (such as the original commenters idea) they feel they have actually 'acquired it'. I wonder if its part of the 'princess' fantasy women have. In all the female fairtales (and Disney movies, etc) after acquiring the 'prince' they then get everything that comes with it, the dresses, the castle, the big…
/r/TheRedPill28/06/17 06:35 AM
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This is why I keep coming back to redpill. This is a great theory. And its a useful extension from the general idea that in our evolutionary past women needed to acquire a high value man to survive and thus acquire his 'resources' as her own. And I think your 4th bulletpoint is the one that almost requires a separate post of its own b/c its so insightful.
/r/TheRedPill28/06/17 06:25 AM
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I searched google and couldn't find it. I remember reading it in one of the male subs, such as mens rights, etc. Sorry I can't find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 08:05 PM
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An interesting way to resolve this legally would be to define each 'thrust' as a separate sex act. Or, perhaps, if at any time the penis is withdrawn (such as moving positions, or it slips out, etc), then re-insertion is a separate 'act' that requires it separate consent. btw, can I also argue the reverse? I remember a news story of a young kid having sex for the first time in the back of a car with his girlfriend, and after she withdrew consent seconds before orgasm he kept going for about 'fiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:07 AM
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The 'science' of love suggests that evolution programmed us with three types of love that correspond to the evolutionary imperative to have sex ('Sex Drive'), take care of babies ('Caregiving') and be attached/love our parents ('Attachment). All of those things help us survive. Marriage does not. There is no marriage when we were monkeys. The tribe helps us survive. A marriage by itself does not. The female is weak. Needs the male monkey to survive. In many ways a marriage weakens the male monke…
/r/askTRP22/06/17 06:35 AM
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Is a 'push up bra' stripping men of their agency? What about 'make up'? Both are, as you put it,...'purposefully misleading" and "false premise'. Also, don't females "continuously pester' and 'push boundaries until the male says yes' when it comes to LTR and marriage? The argument against PUA is not about manipulation or agency, because both sexes already do that. The argument against PUA is that it works. It takes power away from one side. And thus that side hates it. If you want to understand …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 02:57 AM
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You're right, and its worth differentiating the two, but if you tried to publish a paper about a 'reverse halo effect', the reviewers would just argue its the same underlying process (e.g., your brain tags that person as 'good', and thus cognitive dissonance takes over and aligns all other judgements in a positive direction). Its the same reason why 'discrimination' and 'reverse discrimination' are really just the same thing. That said, its still worth discussing, irrespective of whether its sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 06:07 AM
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Great idea. Doomed to fail, sadly. Here is why: Balanced discussion is boring, no one shows up, and the sub fails. Case in point: r/ExplainBothSides/ And yet, if you have a sub explaining just one side, it gets populated like crazy. I hope you are the exception to the rule, and your balanced sub about finding balance between red/blue finds members.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:48 AM
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Its called 'the halo effect' in science. A sub-part is called "Whats Beautiful is Good" heuristic. Both are worth reading about. Its interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 02:41 AM
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I can see why someone would be jealous of their abundance. I don't get the sense you are. But so many posts on here reek of envy. I don't get it: Their time in the sun is short lived We can rise our entire lives These types of girls are only in their prime for a short time. Don't get me wrong, they will always have guys flocking to them, but the numbers will dwindle, and the quality of the men will be crap. They know this. That is why they act 'high power' because they know its the peak of their…
/r/TheRedPill15/06/17 04:45 AM
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Yes, make a post about it. Very interesting
/r/TheRedPill15/06/17 04:39 AM
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If your argument is that 'some' redpillers have anti-female bias, then you are correct. There are 'some' people in every group. If your argument is that 'all' redpillers have anti-female bias, that seems hard to justify. On this very sub there are self-identified redpillers who agree with your points. So then what is your argument? That its more than 0% but less than 100%? Imagine you could prove that over half have anti-female bias, then what? Is there a point to the discussion? For example, im…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 04:04 AM
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I'm late to the party (over 285 comments so far) so sadly this will get lost but... there is actually a science of love. Its pretty interesting, IMO. Researchers from different fields study it, and the short-version is that love is not an 'emotion' in the classic sense, but it does have a feeling-state associated with it, and there are probably "3" types of love, that correspond to evolutionary forces. The really interesting part is that what we consider dating/marriage is not really one of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 12:56 AM
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I agree about dilution of the quality of the sub. You convinced me. Perhaps her post belongs in PPD then. I don't see her as RPW material. She is reaching out for discussion, in a way that I think shows growing self-awareness of Redpill truths.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 08:29 AM
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Part of what I enjoy about TRP is intellectual discussion of interesting ideas about evolutionary mate selection. She seemed open to that. Look at her comment history. She is trying, at least. I hope she sticks around. At the very least she provides more thoughtful discussion to the sub. If you want to join in, feel free.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 08:17 AM
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See my comment to cashmoney above. She is an outsider, reaching out to us, and perhaps with a growing understanding of how TRP works, so why not be polite back.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 08:07 AM
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She doesn't understand the context. I'm trying to provide the bigger picture, so she can realize the breadth of the comments to her post. Also, her post was somewhat interesting in my opinion, because it seemed to come from a place of curiosity, and awakening self-awareness that perhaps TRP is on to something, so I'm trying to persuade her to stick around by pointing out the obvious truth to us insiders that the anger phase is short-lived.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 08:05 AM
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"Hamster" is a TRP term meaning you are trying to rationalize your point of view. TRP has a lot of terms. Some are funny. Some are clever. Some are not. On a larger note, when reading some of the comments, realize that a part of Redpill is the 'anger phase'. Some of the comments are going to be angry. Eventually Redpill will help them through their anger, and they will become self-actualized, OR, go MGTOW. The purpose of this sub is to provide some harsh truths to help them self improve and self…
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 07:56 AM
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And many probably are. That seems to be the true crux of your argument. I know you probably won't believe me, after all I am just some random person on the internet :), but its actually the opposite, they had been 'missing out on things' their whole life, and suddenly Redpill sets them free. I truly wish you could experience the joy of redpill for yourself! Bonus: The crux of 'my' original argument, btw, was that we can't in fact conscious avoid the programming or manipulation. We are monkeys. I…
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 07:51 AM
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Thanks for posting here. I hope you do it more often. I like these types of posts. The Redpill is about the truth, no matter how painful, so if you have something painful for us, we embrace it. But you also need to embrace a few truths, IMO Evolution is real. And thus evolutionary mate selection is real. You may not like it, but its who you are. Free will may not exist. There is some real science behind it. Google for more info, if you wish. We may instead simply be programmed like a computer vi…
/r/TheRedPill23/05/17 07:19 AM
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If you are truly interested in the answer, and not starting a fight like most of the posts on PPD, for some reason, then here goes... Man's primary desire is sex. Cognitive dissonance takes over, and makes them think they 'deserve' it, as a way to justify or rationalize their primary desire in life. Same goes for women, and commitment. They justify and rationalize their primary desire in life, commitment. We are all just monkeys. Bonus: My personal feeling is nobody deserves anything. We are bor…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:57 AM
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Neither. The producers decided the most recent iteration should be in the vein of the "Borne" movies, which were popular at the time of "Casino Royale". So they wanted more of a 'street level brawler' than a 'high class tuxedo' kind of guy. Hence, Daniel Craig. Recently they are thinking of going back to the high-class suave kind of 007, hence why they were thinking of Tom Hiddelston. Bonus: I like your post, so I'm also going to answer your underlying question, even though it doesn't apply to "…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:51 AM
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VR will make all of this RP/BP stuff (and us) redundant. VR is the collapse, and the escape hatch, all in one. So if you consider living your perfect life 'prevailing', then anyone in VR is the victor. If you consider being IRL 'prevailing', then a select few will live off-grid and happy as the victor. The real question you should ask is if we each have our perfect idealized VR universe, will men prefer to simulate the 'weak patriarchy' or 'strong patriarchy', as you coin it? And will women pref…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 06:33 AM
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Is this true (I genuinely ask). Native American tribes were hunter/gatherers, and they had gender roles, dominance, superiority, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 06:21 AM
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I'm in the US. Metropolitan city. Upper middle class. I thought it was the 'upper middle class' that was explaining why women are fighting over men in my situation. If you are saying you are lower class and women are still fighting over men, then that is interesting as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 03:45 AM
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Its fascinating how different our daily lives are. I mean that in a positive way. I like reddit for the sharing of viewpoints. It didn't even occur to me that other men felt that way. In my circle of friends we are the high value now that we are older. The other day I had two 20-somethings fighting over me. Quite a turn of events from when I was younger, poor, and trying to get girls. I wonder what accounts for the discrepancies in our lives? I'm nothing special. Totally average. So its not as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 03:00 AM
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Hi, I'm curious about your reasoning behind "man's SMV drops as he gets older". I'm genuinely curious, and not trying to start a fight. For context, here is my reasoning behind men/age/market value: (1) here is a famous chart showing market value. (2) I DISAGREE greatly with that chart. But its a useful starting place. The general idea is that female SMV starts to drop, but a man's SMV can rise into the 40s, presumably because of getting a better job, making more money, perhaps even getting more…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 09:54 PM
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I agree completely. I tried my hand at saying the same thing earlier in this thread but didn't do it justice. But there is a caveat to remember. That post wall "relative 8/10" you mention is 'relative' to her immediate social circle, but in the modern dating age we have unrestricted access to such a wide range of dating partners that the 35-45 is competing with much younger women who are now no longer "relative" 8/10 but actually true 8/10. The wall is not a revenge fantasy, in my opinion. Its a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 07:53 AM
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Get ready for some NUANCE (which I know this sub does not like) The wall is not black/white. Its not really a 'wall'. Just a gradual decline. And at some point each person has their subjective view of when a women (or man) reaches a point she is no longer worth pursuing (either SMV or RMV). So yes, the 'threshold' does exist, but it simply exists differently for each person. More importantly guys are AGING AT THE SAME TIME, so a guy in his 30s will look at a girl differently than same girl when …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 07:42 AM
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I agree. And now lets extend it a bit further. If men are the gatekeepers of commitment, and women the gatekeepers of sex, perhaps we evolved this way for a reason, namely a chemical inducement to pursue sex that satiates after we get it; and thus maybe that also explains the corresponding reaction in women once they get commitment (in LTR, or marriage, and lose interest in the man). In other words, your sudden loss in interest after sex may correspond to the female loss of interest after gainin…
/r/TheRedPill07/05/17 07:23 AM
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The other commenters have covered all the basic issues... so I wanted to respond with some higher-order theoretical stuff. Feel free to ignore this. But you might find it interesting. All behavior needs to be controlled. Our base programming (for both men and women) is thematically the word "more". In other words, if evolution is what programmed us, then the first and most primary command in our programming is simply the word "more". We desire more food, more resources, more of everything. That …
/r/TheRedPill20/04/17 03:46 AM
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I liked your post because it provides historical context, which I think TRP could use. To be fair, though, PU is primary 'tactics' and TRP is primarily an umbrella term for a constellation of things all wrapped around some basic evolutionary theories. So it sounds like you are moving away from the 'tactics'. Its not like you are unlearning a theory. So you are moving away from PU not TRP. I hope it helps you. The goal is self-improvement, no matter where it takes you. Perhaps do another post aft…
/r/TheRedPill19/04/17 05:51 AM
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Meta-analyses are a great way to concisely summarize the literature. I've conducted them myself. But they have limitations. All types of research have limitations. Its important to understand the limitation in order to understand the conclusions reached. Here are just two: Meta-analyses summarize only what already exists in the literature, so selection bias occurs. For example, imagine if all the academics were RedPillers, and thus chose to do redpill projects, and prove redpill. Then, the "meta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 04:44 AM
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I wanted to comment simply to say thank you for your detailed response. Sometimes comments are too short, and other times too long winded without providing any substantive info (I do that sometimes as well, sadly). Instead, you hit the perfect ratio of detail/substance. I read the whole thing captivated by your story while also learning something new about the topic. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 02:53 AM
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I must have misread it. I didn't see 'amused mastery' anywhere. I'm open to being wrong. I just didnt see it (?). They did talk about communication. But amused mastery is a technical term. See the other comments in your post explaining it. Its actually a really interesting topic for research. They could do an experiment and pit the strategies against each other. See which is better for short term versus long term relationship satisfaction. Etc. Or survey couples and ask about its frequency, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:41 AM
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Great job on introducing more research to the sub. Your research is about 'clear communication' but not 'amused mastery', though, so your conclusion sentence is invalid. Delete the second part of that sentence, and you are fine. Or maybe say, "could be a better alternative to amused mastery but more research is needed on that point" Or, try to find research directly about amused mastery. I think the sub would be really interested in that research. I would. I agree with your interest in adding re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:21 AM
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I think you are right. But, to be fair, I read a mind-blowing news report out of the UK that 2/3rd of new converts to Islam in that country are... young females! The article was actually about how new converts are turning to therapy to help them deal with the oppression they face as women in the new religion. They knew about the oppression going-in, but they fell in love with a guy, and converted for him. That makes so little sense, IMO. They knew about the oppression, so the guy they are dating…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:33 AM
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Should we proselytizing or not? Age-old question. No clear answer. u/SpaceKapitan is right (in this comment thread) that people need to CHOSE the redpill, and most don't want it, so mostly useless to try. But you are right that a few lucky people DO in fact benefit from hearing about red pill. So why not thread the needle, and help people the way you were helped... by simply pointing out its existence, and letting people gravitate toward it or not, their choice. IMO
/r/TheRedPill10/04/17 05:25 AM
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I heard a theory that is relevant, and you may find diagnostic. I found it extremely interesting: I believe what the commenter was touching upon was an idea I've heard before that (1) men's primal desire is to reproduce, (2) in a society that reserves sex for marriage (think pre-1950s), that means men have to marry to have sex, (3) to marry they have to "buy in" to society, get a job, be hard working, etc. (4) so the most productive societies are the ones in which society shames anyone who has s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 04:00 AM
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I'm replying to provide praise. Using a proverb was excellent, on-point, and insightful. Your entire post was concise but informative. This is why i like reddit. Thank you kind sir/madam.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 03:26 AM
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I really liked your first response. I think you are closer to the truth than me, at least I hope you are, in that women probably don't fake it, it just slowly progresses in that direction. Although I do perhaps see things less polarizing then you present it. You said "definitely don't" fake it, then later said dread "doesn't" work. Perhaps its somewhere in the middle. So some girls do fake it, but most don't. And dread does work sometimes, which is why people use it. In fact, to use men as an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 08:41 PM
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I like the sociology/theoretical aspects of redpill, so I love your post! I've thought about this a lot, such as the future of redpill, the evolution of dating strategies, etc. For some reason it fascinates me. So here goes: There are a number of reasons why there could be a higher proportion of men without sexual/romantic partners. You mentioned one of them (increasingly independent and powerful women) but there are others. The future may have a gender imbalance, similar to China. All of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 07:19 AM
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Whatever became of female viagra? I remember reading about it last year. Wouldn't that solve the problem (at a societal level)? (relatedly, imagine one day if the influence of female viagra makes men so tired from all the sex with their SO that they start complaining of 'headaches' to get out of it, ha) https://www.babble.com/relationships/20-excuses-women-and-men-use-to-get-out-of-sex/ (my favorite: I Ate Too Much Dairy and Now I Am Bloated)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 07:04 AM
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Understand how much sex you want and need, then find someone who is compatible with that This is my basic understanding of redpill, btw. I realize there is good & bad in all types of ideology, and thus redpill has it share of bad stuff, but from my reading of redpill the core strategy is know thyself (so know your own needs, not just sexual, but emotional, psychological, etc) and be proactive in asking for it (and if she can't provide it, then next her).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:52 AM
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From a philosophical point of view, I'm wondering if marriage is even ideal for most people. So setting aside the current dating dynamics, the sociology of baby boomers changing the sexual landscape, and all of that stuff... even in a perfect world my sense is most marriages are just in the "good enough" category. How many people are actually truly happy in a marriage? Even in the 50s, before the baby boomers or changing landscape? I have no data to support this, obviously, but perhaps only a sm…
/r/TheRedPill06/04/17 06:41 AM
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I'm glad someone else thinks this way. I've been thinking for a while what the dating world would be like if there was a surplus of unicorns. I know it won't exist, but its an interesting thought experiment. I think true alpha males are rare, most men are blue (I may be wrong, but I think evo psych predicts that) If thats true, and they had ready access to unicorns (so large supply of unicorns in dating pool), I think they would tend toward their natural beta tendencies and find quality unicorn …
/r/TheRedPill06/04/17 06:37 AM
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Hey OP, here is interesting thought experiment to help show you why in your gut the article 'feels wrong'. Would you rather: Have save harbor without sex? (so girlfriend/wife where you never have sex for the rest of your life) Or have all the sex you want, but no safe harbor? The author is 73, which is why he is choosing the latter. He had all the sex he wants when was younger. Now he wants someone to take care of him in his old age. Anyway, the more interesting story here is that your 'female f…
/r/askTRP02/04/17 07:12 AM
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Men want sex, intimacy, friendship, loyalty, everything. YES. The article is misleading when it says men want the safe harbor MORE than sex. But its obviously accurate that men do in fact want a safe harbor. We want everything. All humans do. And, to be fair to the author, the misleading part is probably actually true for him. The author is 73! So over time the safe harbor trumps sex. Closer to death and thus interested in having a caretaker in his later years :)
/r/askTRP02/04/17 07:02 AM
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I'm sensing a trend in your posts. You want more research. So here is a quick way to prove to this community (PPD) why its helpful: Right now on the front page is your post, and another one about which is better: attractive/beta or average-attractive/alpha. See if you can find research on that topic. And post it. You can then compare/contrast the anecdotal info from the post to the actual research. That would be very interesting. Although I like anecdotes, especially when they compile together i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 07:19 AM
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Ha!!!!!! I read the whole thing. I can't stop laughing. This is my favorite thing today. My favorite part: Contributors: GCSS had the original idea. JPP tried to talk him out of it. JPP did the first literature search but GCSS lost it. GCSS drafted the manuscript but JPP deleted all the best jokes. GCSS is the guarantor, and JPP says it serves him right.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 07:06 AM
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Thanks for replying. I'm always curious why people choose different things.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/17 11:00 PM
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Yeah, I think the implicit knowledge evaporated somehow. Lost generation. Thanks for responding with the info.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/17 07:32 PM
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Thanks for informing us. I asked him (below) to explain his reasoning because I was genuinely curious, and I was bummed when he didn't respond. If you remember what he said in those deleted posts, let me know, but no worries if you don't remember. As context, I've no problem with marriage. I hope it works out for him. I also have no problem with those who don't want it. To each their own. I'm just curious why people choose different things.
/r/TheRedPill29/03/17 06:58 PM
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I'm interested in why marriage and not just LTR (so life partner without the ceremony of marriage)? In your situation (and age) what benefit does the ceremony and marriage contract provide? Its not like you are going to have kids (Im assuming?)
/r/TheRedPill29/03/17 09:08 AM
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Somedays I scan reddit looking for the best comment. Today you win!
/r/TheRedPill29/03/17 02:46 AM
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I would be interested in reading this, if you could point me in the right direction.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/17 05:19 AM
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I'm interested in your take on something. I responded to OP about another way to think of this issue (see copy/paste below, about parsing apart power VERSUS alpha). If you are quoting a 2012 article I'm presuming you have been learning about TRP for a while and thus knowledgeable, and thus I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts" Is it 'power', or it is a related idea of 'alpha'. I'm genuinely asking. My reasoning: We evolved for 200 million years in a way that the female needed a cert…
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 06:06 AM
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I agree with your major points. Men are invisible to women without SMV or something to offer. Is it 'power', or it is a related idea of 'alpha'. I'm genuinely asking. We evolved for 200 million years in a way that the female needed a certain type of man (to survive) because that type of man provided resources (food, shelter, clothing, safety from harm, etc). If you look at your examples "muscles, money, artist, band, dealer, teacher, cop, doctor, religious leader, etc", try to imagine for a mome…
/r/TheRedPill20/03/17 05:56 AM
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I should have prefaced by saying I approach these things from an academic point of view. I'm not passing judgement. I simply like the theory/sociology/etc of evolutionary mating strategies. Thanks for your point-of-view, btw. When I see the emotion driven arguments I tend to see cognitive dissonance. But you are arguing that emotion could drive this debate even in the absence of any dissonance, such as women not feeling internal turmoil because of a relatively high number compared to other femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 02:37 AM
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It looks like your comment got lost in the shuffle but it was a really smart comment so I wanted to respond with some praise - way to go!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:04 AM
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Can I offer a simpler explanation? (btw, I agree with the other theoretical explanations, so mine are just some other possibilities) First, perhaps people just don't really know what they want in life. When I was younger I lived in rural place so wanted to move to big city, then after a while realized it was not for me. It may simplistic but I just didn't really know what I wanted in life until I got it, so perhaps girls think they want men to open up, but then get it and realize they were wrong…
/r/TheRedPill12/03/17 04:54 AM
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You're missing the point, and its a HUGE POINT. God, I hope the rest of these commenters come back and read this comment: Let's say your brain is just a computer programmed through nature/nurture, and you have no free will. Your brain simply accepts inputs (info coming in through the senses) and makes decisions (outputs). Well... that means you can re-program OTHER people's brains. You can't do anything about your own. No free will. Even choosing to try to reprogram your own brain can't be free …
/r/askTRP10/03/17 03:20 AM
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I knew I asked the right person. Succinct. And instructive. Thank you.
/r/TheRedPill09/03/17 11:26 PM
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I'm responding for two reasons. First, I'm going to steal "google it, bitch". You can't stop me. Its awesome. I'm taking it :) Second, I like your critical line of thought, so I'm interested in what you think could/would curtail hypergmany, in your opinion? btw, as context, I'm not saying we even should curtail it, but from a theoretical point of view the concept fascinates me and I'm curious.
/r/TheRedPill09/03/17 05:48 PM
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The nuances of your description may be off, but your essential point is touching on something interesting: The other commenters have already discussed how hypergamy is an innate feature that would not 'stop', as you put it, but it might be curtailed or controlled by the environmental features of society. What your post is pointing out that male behavior may also need to be controlled by society. For example, what you are saying is that in your culture men are instructed to only marry at their le…
/r/TheRedPill09/03/17 06:28 AM
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Connie Francis Ha! Had to google it (and her song), but that was hilarious!
/r/MGTOW08/03/17 09:55 PM
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I love your post. Its thoughtful, and intriguing, and makes me think. I wish more of reddit was like this. If I may respond... In another post about the exact same topic, I said the following, which I think aligns with your viewpoint in some ways: May I suggest a more parsimonious explanation. We are just the chemicals in our head. That is all we are. In a relationship, the other person is just the trigger or stimulus for those chemicals (love, attachment, caring, etc). So its not even that "hum…
/r/MGTOW08/03/17 09:51 PM
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This is the funniest thing I've read all day!
/r/MGTOW08/03/17 09:44 PM
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May I suggest a more parsimonious explanation. We are just the chemical in our head. In a relationship, the other person is just the trigger or stimulus for those chemicals (love, attachment, caring, etc). So its not even that "humans tend to display loyalty to performed roles in relationships", but that all of us are just being loyal to the release of those chemicals (and an unemployed male no longer releases those chemicals for the female). We are just the "stimulus that releases the chemicals…
/r/MGTOW08/03/17 08:58 AM
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I agree. I mentioned how I think "her" reasoning is flawed. When I talked about "resource" and the book, I was referencing our version of "good Men", not hers. But there is a larger issue at play, which I think is interesting, in that she is writing for females, not males. Her approach is tailored to drawing in females, and then imparting knowledge, perhaps even a few hard truths. TRP is true. We know that. It makes sense, and it works. But females (and purple pillers) fight it tooth and nail. T…
/r/TheRedPill07/03/17 08:32 PM
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Good post! These are the types of discussion I think TRP needs. Start with a simple framework to understand all of this: Just as men "hold frame" from the shit-tests, women have a similar operating process to "hold frame" (not have sex) when men test them through kino, escalation, etc. The author is saying women are losing frame, like betas. And women are taking the 'short term gain' approach to the sexual market place (sexual activity, attention, validation) rather than long-term gain (of long …
/r/TheRedPill07/03/17 08:08 AM
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Question: What do you call an "LTR" type of relationship that you don't intend to keep forever? I get the sense that when people say 'LTR' they mean they hope it lasts. But sometimes its nice to just be in an LTR for a little while, maximize the benefit of having it, and then go back to plating for a while. So I'm trying to come up with a term for something between your level 3 and 4.
/r/TheRedPill07/03/17 04:14 AM
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I like the suggestions from u/quicklogaccount but perhaps a more individualized approach is to simply A/B test a bunch of approaches. You are a unique individual. We all are. No matter how many things you learn from others (or websites) that work for them, it may or may not work for you, and vice versa; you may find techniques that work for you that don't work for others precisely because of your unique traits (well-spoken, emotional, dramatic, etc). Life is an experiment. Try stuff. See what wo…
/r/askTRP06/03/17 07:27 AM
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It appears all the other commenters have covered the basics... so can I bring up a related point instead? Perhaps this will help in your situation, or not, who knows. Do you notice how your post got a lot of comments (almost 150 at this point) compared to some of the other posts right now on TRP. In fact, I think your post has the most responses, why? I think your situation hits really close to home for a lot of guys. Separate from whether you did the right/wrong thing under the circumstances, t…
/r/TheRedPill06/03/17 06:48 AM
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Honest question: How do you reconcile the comment by u/yaysmr farther below about how top tier women are "being increasingly monopolized/passed around by the top males in soft harems"? In other words, it sounds like your idea (which is really interesting!) is about top tier men being passed around. So has the new dating market found a new way to utilize top tier people?
/r/TheRedPill28/02/17 07:05 AM
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My honest opinion: I don't know. I am not in the relationship. I realize on reddit that commenters are supposed to come across as all-wise and all-knowing, especially on TRP, but the truth is no one is in the relationship but you and her. All we can do is give broad suggestions, that may apply to most situations, such as (1) its clearly a shit-test, and she wants you to choose her over your family, (2) its clearly a comfort-test in that she needs you to comfort her distress and anxiety about liv…
/r/askTRP20/02/17 07:44 AM
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Fight for her, obviously. You wrote this post literally saying you "really wanted this one". Don't look back on life with regrets. But good idea to come to TRP for advice. Because she will crawl back to you. Its a just a (really big and painful) shit-test. And perhaps a bit of comfort test at the same time. Do you see how its both? So treat it like both. And happy engagement (!) because I can guarantee you with utmost confidence this will end well. So when it all gets sorted out, come back with …
/r/askTRP20/02/17 07:33 AM
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To be fair, this post is not about the your Ex or why she is cheating. This post is about you. Its riddled with double-speak and rationalization. I am not saying this to be mean. I think you wrote it this way so someone would try to give you an honest answer to your issue, which is you feel bad about what you are doing, and want some way to rationalize it. The only person that can make you feel better about yourself is you. Other people can't give you validation or acceptance. Personally, once t…
/r/askTRP20/02/17 07:23 AM
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Yes, women are whores. Its evolutionary programming. Your anger is not coming from the fact they are whores, but from the fact you don't WANT them to be whores. The problem is you. And the problem is me, and most guys, if you want to be honest. That is how "we" were programmed by evolution. You had positive feelings for this girl. You wanted her to be a certain way. And she isn't. So the anger is the disconnect between the 'illusion in your head' and reality. Once you accept reality, and let go …
/r/askTRP20/02/17 07:15 AM
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I believe you in your version of events. But you need to be open-minded when answering the following questions: IF she really had sex for just weed, does that mean if you had brought weed she would have fucked you instead? If the answer is yes, then just buy some weed (and some coke and other drugs she might like), tell her you bought it, and want her to come over, and chill. And then have sex with her. You will still feel heartbroken about unrequited love, but it will go down easier while you a…
/r/TheRedPill19/02/17 05:19 AM
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You made 90% of the right choices. Not sure what the other commenters are complaining about. From my perspective... Asking her to move-in means you had sex with her, sex with others whenever you wanted, threesomes, etc. Smart move. That is probably more than most people on TRP. When you feel in love you took a calculated risk she would reciprocate. If she did, you would have been able to experience all the positive aspects of a love-based relationship, and then it would have ended eventually (be…
/r/TheRedPill16/02/17 06:57 AM
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I'm late to the party (over 500 responses so far!) so I doubt anyone will read my post, but here goes... The heart of your argument is the word "false" (as in false advantage in the past). Perhaps it wasn't false, just... different. The SMP provided certain restrictions and value, and the people responded accordingly. Today the restrictions, and the nature of value, is different, so people are responding differently to align themselves with the changing environment. The question is which set of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 05:33 AM
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Hi /u/SkinnySweaty, I like your post! And I can see why you chose the quote from /u/Archwinger because it confirms what you already believe, hence confirmation bias. But what if you are incorrect about the underlying assumption? For example, you/he may be right about the "good old days" (that is the "confirmation" in confirmation bias) but you may also be incorrect (hence the "bias" part). Try to think what it was like in the "good old days". Most people's lives were pretty small. They didn't kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 05:09 AM
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Hi, I actually think what you propose (less negative wording, more research support) is actually where its headed. Might take a few years. But if you look at redpill from a sociological/historical perspective, it tends to go more and more in the direction you mention. But, its going to take a while to get there. For a few reasons. First, redpillers care about results IN THEIR OWN LIFE, so 'more research support' doesnt really help them. They just want to go try something, and see if it works "fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate
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I really liked your comment. Thoughtful. Insightful. And I really like the breakdown of the 'camps' at the end. I gave you an upvote, but your comment was really good, so definitely worth the extra praise. Way to go! Thanks for making this sub more informative and substantial.
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