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/r/MensRights05/11/25 11:47 AM
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Yes, you're right. To dig myself deeper in this hole, and to somewhat play devil's advocate, a psychiatrist can see patients present in ways and with medical histories for which this would be an appropriate response.
/r/MensRights03/11/25 01:52 AM
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Why would you assume this was informed by a general view of men rather than an intimate knowledge of OP's habits and worldview?
/r/MensRights02/11/25 05:09 PM
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Wow! Feminists are still pushing for the Duluth Model? I didn't know, I thought they moved to different models and were in favour of models that treated men more fairly. What evidence have you seen that feminists are still promoting Duluth (not just "I haven't heard anything to the contrary")
/r/MensRights01/11/25 07:36 AM
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"Just, you know, the majority." This is irrelevant to my point, which is that I presented five points in which women are worse off with less wealth, and you only responded to one as if it affected all women (it didn't) , ignoring the rest because you were not interested in welfare but rather your own ideological priors. If I were to put it in terms of the insults you seem fond of - when you make it to grade school , you will figure out that < 1 is less than 5. it's not that i'm ignoring evidence…
/r/MensRights25/10/25 03:12 PM
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I knew that stat was coming, which is why I cited multiple reasons it is a problem which that stat has no bearing on. Only one was really relevant to the stat (market power), and only to the extent that women are in heterosexual relationships, but you ignored the rest, for instance, women experiencing higher rates of elderly poverty. Because your object of analysis is feminist "historical oppression narratives" rather than a genuine concern for welfare / gender inequity. I'm not responding to pa…
/r/MensRights25/10/25 01:26 PM
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"I am making them up" I have just laid out very clearly and in excruciating detail how this was not in rerference to "reality" but was instead referencing a concept. I made the same distinction in the Einstein comment. As I noted, I am less interested in the feminist movement than in gendered outcomes. If you start with the feminist movement as the object of your analysis, you will have a different assessment than if you start with the outcomes as the object of your analysis. For instance, if I …
/r/MensRights25/10/25 12:50 PM
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I have already told you that my reading of your comment was different to what you apparently meant, so I don't know why you're trying to press the narrative that I was making up a reality. You wrote that there's not a feminism that doesn't rely on a theory of patriarchy. You were saying that all feminists in the broad feminist movement rely on a theory of patriarchy. Not true (e.g. individualist feminism), but whatever. I am less interested in what the movement/s of feminism are saying than what…
/r/MensRights25/10/25 11:43 AM
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Do you consider original thought and critical thinking bad? Do you care more that something has been described before than whether it is true and good?
/r/MensRights25/10/25 10:52 AM
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I'll be frank: I don't care about what others evidence or whatever , I care about what is true and good . and if I were presented with the easily verifiable potential that my assumptions may be wrong , I'm not going to engage in quibbling procedural gamesmanship rather than simply seek it out. each to their own . the stats presented on those websites are from my quick look generally at least a decade old . i have made my point about FTP only really having literature from the mid-2010s . if you t…
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:24 PM
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Sorry, I was referring to axioms having general utility, I did not mean it as I see you are now describing it. I can step out what I thought if you think that would be valuable. I am not saying it is good to treat men being worse than women as a self-evident truth, as I hoped the rest of my comment describing evidentiary standards demonstrated.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 12:26 PM
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A point that would have been approximately substantiated if you had bothered to go to r/askfeminists. You chose not to. If you are told where to find evidence and you plug your ears then the point has not been failed to be substantiated. I suspect you know what you would find. On the inverse claim that it is something general to feminists, you cited an organisation and are implicitly claiming it can be inferred the average feminist actively holds that belief. That does not evidence the claim.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 12:23 PM
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I have a different reading than you on that sentence and I appreciate that you may have meant differently. the funny thing is tho that : "Unfortunately, there's not a single form of feminism that isn't predicated on Patriarchy conjecture." implies your problem with feminism is the theory of patriarchy, and that without it, you would not have an issue with a feminist form. well — I've presented one for you. Whether it existed before I presented it for you is irrelevant , you now have a form of fe…
/r/MensRights23/10/25 09:15 AM
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axioms are not bad. obviously determining who on average has worse outcomes is a subjective exercise (what does worse mean), but it's pretty clear feminists present evidence justifying argumentation for why they believe that. I also believe it, and I did not just assume it, and was genuinely open to the inverse being true. I want to respond to the rest later.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 09:08 AM
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I literally made a narrow point that most feminists don't agree with this and you can go ask them. You have refused to. Now I'm being asked to justify a claim I'm not making. What are they doing? Idk, not enough I guess, although almost all the data I'm seeing in a quick search that is using the non-FTP definition of rape is from before or at the time that the term FTP was created. So are they ignoring it? Who knows. In the meantime, what are you doing? I see the NSVRC is relying heavily on Smit…
/r/MensRights23/10/25 08:56 AM
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"A feminist perspective could not exist that is not grounded in power." "yes it could, for example..." "Omg you just made that up I know what you were responding to was "could not" and not "doesn't" but I literally cannot tell the difference."
/r/MensRights23/10/25 08:20 AM
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I only have a moment rn, but why do you think believing women are disadvantaged compared to men is bad because it is the source of misandry in feminist movements, but not the inverse (believing men are disadvantaged compared to men is bad because it is the source of misogyny in men's rights movements)?
/r/MensRights23/10/25 06:57 AM
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I'm sympathetic and I went too far in saying "it's totally fine." The approach I describe by feminists is understandable to me, but it is not mine.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 04:20 AM
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"preferred group" is putting your finger on the scales. Engage with this in good faith: "because they aren't part of the group they believe is most harmed". Black kids are more likely to be poor than white kids. If I try to lift Black kids out of poverty, that isn't "not particularly charitable" to the white kids, it's totally fine.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 03:34 AM
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I guess your assessment of whether they're gatekeeping equality depends on if you categorise Messner's advocacy as part of or apart from his feminism. I'm inclined to say it's part of it based on my reading. I have my own problems with theories of patriarchy and share your dislike for the handwaving dismissals, although I don't necessarily think it doesn't have good insights. I haven't looked particularly in depth into criminal justice. Are there studies you have seen looking into the rates of a…
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:33 AM
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I'll present the steelmanned version I perceive, and you can tell me if it is correct or wrong. The idea of privilege says that you got to where you are because you had to work hard and struggle. But, all else equal, if you were a woman (or black or NB etc), your experience would have been different, and they would argue, probably slightly or significantly harder.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 01:45 AM
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I don't think a charitable engagement with feminism would come to that conclusion. If you believe one group is more disadvantaged, and you put your focus on alleviating the difficulties facing that group , it's uncharitable to describe that as "not caring about equal rights".
/r/MensRights23/10/25 01:42 AM
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Your disagreement with the premise does not change whether it is a feminist perspective. You can perceive it as a feminist perspective, and you can also perceive it at the same time as incorrect. I'm sure you believe most of the premises laid out in the patriarchal account are wrong. And I'm sure you don't believe that makes them "not feminist perspectives".
/r/MensRights23/10/25 01:40 AM
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I reject the premise that the central, shared premise of feminism is the subjugation of women by men. See for instance individualist feminism, or my comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1od130t/comment/nkrkuyn/. You've written too much to respond to with the rest, I'll respond to the second last paragraph as you've indicated that's important to you: Michael Messner has gotten plenty of support advocating for men because he does it without putting down feminism. If another po…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:15 PM
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I know you didn't, that's why I am asking you. And I don't see a yes or no answer, so I'll ask again: If someone told you "Looking at the state of gender relations, I think women generally have worse outcomes, and I think that should be altered, and I think that without any recourses to narratives about power": would you identify that as a feminist perspective? Yes or no?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 08:00 PM
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Eh, feminism subs have a long history of being brigades etc which makes them trigger happy. I'm banned from r/feminism for that reason. Generally I'm unimpressed that you've given up on the ideas based on the practitioners of a movement. Go advocate for forced to penetrate being included in stats, WHILE not putting down feminism at large, because the two are not incompatible, and feminists are not the ones who came up with the idea that forced to penetrate is not rape.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 07:58 PM
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The check my privilege stuff was often stupid, but I don't see you engaging with a steelmanned version of the comment "check your privilege." Can you describe that for me?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 07:54 PM
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If you're sincerely interested, it's because feminists are focusing on the ways women have worse outcomes. It's just the scope of the project. They're generally supportive of people who are feminists who have a focus on men's issues, see for example Michael Messner, but a lot of the narrative of men's rights advocates is predicated on feminism being wrong or bad or redundant, which of course a feminist will find objectionable apart from any opinion on circumcision bans etc.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 07:52 PM
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btw , since you seemed to get extremely confused why I was describing a position that may or may not be popular or prevalent or present at all within the broader feminist landscape , it is because I am interested in defending what is good , not what is popular. I personally find the narrative of patriarchy reductive , overly antagonistic to men , negating agency so on , but I also find a lot of explanations for women's worse outcomes on several metrics (income/wealth, housework gap etc) more sev…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 01:07 PM
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Maybe ask if forced to penetrate should be classified as rape, and if so, what they see as a good source of statistics on rape?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:40 PM
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okay , i will just write what I was going to write . I understand subjugation to be when someone is in a lower position as a result of the exercise of power. I think someone could look at society , determine that women on average have worse outcomes (which you would disagree with) , and from that it would not follow that those worse outcomes came from the exercise of power . for instance, "the system" may disadvantage women by chance , or by biology , or by something or anything . you say "This …
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:15 PM
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certainly , some feminists hold that perspective , and i think it's fucked up and don't endorse it and I don't think most feminists do , and yet the original commentor used the existence of a minority to discredit a majority who don't believe it
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:09 PM
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I am not pretending not to understand how language works, I am trying to avoid presumption.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:08 PM
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a position can be a feminist perspective at the same time that most feminists can hold other feminist perspectives that contradict it
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:06 PM
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maybe before I respond you can define subjugation so we are on the same page.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 12:04 PM
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oh.... i get it. so feminist perspective to you is a perspective held by a literal person within the class of feminist. I am applying the definition Google gives: "advocating women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.". Does the perspective I described fit that definition? (yes, obviously), then it must be a feminist perspective!
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:55 AM
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my point was that these views were not representative. I get you are doing snark here, but "feminists" has two definitions here: feminists as a class, and feminists as in multiple people within the class of feminists. so, if I say "people breathe air", I am making a claim about humans as a class (all people), and not just a subset of that class (joe and his buddy).
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:52 AM
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you'll sometimes see feminists respond to other feminists in discussions over the definition. the first feminist will say "feminism is about gender equality", and the second will tell them "feminism is about the elimination of the subjugation of women". the second relies on a theory of patriarchy, the first does not necessarily (although it can). this isn't perfect evidence, but then again, the claim that all feminists sincerely and exclusively believe the second has not been evidenced.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:46 AM
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It doesn't disprove the idea that some feminists have endorsed it, I wasn't trying to disprove that.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:41 AM
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yes question dodging, I gave you a yes or no question and not only did you not give a "yes, but", instead you didn't even attempt an answer. "Unfortunately, there's not a single form of feminism that isn't predicated on Patriarchy conjecture." - if you agree that the quotation mark description is a feminist perspective , you necessarily agree this is incorrect. "Patriachy conjecture means that all forms of feminism hold as self evident the innate nature of men as monstrous and women as victims."…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:36 AM
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question dodging. you answer mine first and i'll answer yours.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:31 AM
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Why don't you go into r/askfeminists and ask if forced to penetrate should be classified as rape? obviously they're not necessarily representative of feminism at large, but it should be a good enough proxy to assess whether feminists are actually endorsing this stuff
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:30 AM
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So to be clear, at this point in the conversation, you believe that having a feminist perspective necessarily relies on a belief in the existence of patriarchy?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:22 AM
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What real world would you like me to reference to debunk the idea that a feminism could not exist that is not predicated on theories of patriarchy? Seriously?
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:15 AM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Truly. That is a horrible experience.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:13 AM
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Who cares if I made it up? If we both agree that the perspective described is a feminist one, and we both agree that it does not reference a theory of power, we must agree that "there isn't a feminism predicated on theories of patriarchy" is wrong. It is a basic syllogism.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 11:12 AM
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Would you describe the stuff I put in quotation marks as a feminist perspective? Yes or no.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:50 AM
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I would guess living their lives, not hearing about these incidents, because they are extreme-cases that I have just referred to as nuts. MGTOW was around for decades before most feminists became aware of them, and still I would venture that the mom who identifies as a feminist has never heard of it. Those moms are not "complicit in their silence".
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:48 AM
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I am making them up, which is how all feminisms originated. Someone came up with it. Read the bit I put in quotation marks. That is pretty unambiguously a feminist belief, and yet it doesn't rely on a theory of patriarchy. I have therefore disproven the original claim. I am uninterested in arguing over whether women really generally have worse outcomes, that would take hours and hours and is a very subjective exercise based on countless philosophical priors. My point is merely that if you did lo…
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:46 AM
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If everyone in the feminist movement is a liberal feminist that doesn't preclude anarchist feminisms etc Power makers are not necessarily reflective of broad beliefs or endorsement today, see for instance corporatism's unpopularity
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:14 AM
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I don't have to have references, it's a conceptual argument. What would the references even be? "Looking at the state of gender relations, I think women generally have worse outcomes, and I think that should be altered, and I think that without any recourses to narratives about power" (Einstein, 2025)
/r/MensRights22/10/25 10:09 AM
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You're conflating feminism the movement and feminism the belief systems, of which there are several. You're also nutpicking views that most feminists I would wager would not endorse. That's not intellectual rigor / steelmanning.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:45 AM
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It is simply not true that there isn't a feminism predicated on theories of patriarchy. I can think of at least four on the spot.
/r/MensRights22/10/25 09:34 AM
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The gender suicide gap paradox has been reported in the literature since the 90s, far beyond this 2016 paper. This paper is not the basis for the claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 11:06 PM
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Tell me. The idea that women are experiencing anxiety and depression is reported by psychologists. You describe in your first post that the increase in diagnosed autism is due to methodology changes rather than underlying rates of autism, and that contra health populists (MAHA), psychologists are aware of this basic statistical distinction. But when it comes to this, you don't know if they've figured it out, despite the fact that the claim they make is "women experience anxiety and depression at…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 11:05 PM
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I've now read through the paper rather than skimming it. Based on what I have read, it does not support what Melissa said: "self-harm without suicidal intent [is] being counted as a suicide attempt". This paper does not try to report suicide rates, it tries to report population rates of "suicide attempts or self harm". This is actually the opposite of Melissa's claim, as they are taking pains not to conflate them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 12:44 PM
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Given every single thing in the world can have extenuating/mitigating circumstances, perhaps you should not be so eager to write off phenomena when you discover those circumstances. Men commit suicide more than women, they use more violent means and are biologically more violent than women, QED, men killing themselves more is because of biology and not because of societal structures. You think I am writing off things irresponsibly and unjustifiably and I have no evidence this is the entire effec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/25 06:37 AM
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Do you have evidence that women being diagnosed more accounts for the discrepancy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 10:50 PM
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Not quite sure what you're saying. Are you saying it only seems like more women are anxious and depressed because they are more likely to seek help so they are more likely to be reported? Or are you saying that even though men have anxiety and depression less than women, their experience is worse in some way because they don't have support?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 10:10 PM
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I think the question surely is. If someone presents to hospital with high lethality self harm, there is no real way to ascertain if they wanted to die or hurt themselves really badly. It may not even be clear to the person doing it. They appear to advise that such cases (which are not all self-harm presentations) should be recorded as suicide attempts, because in a hospital setting when assessing risk, it doesn't really matter since both mean someone is a lot more likely to die by suicide later …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 06:48 PM
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What do you make of this on page 6, do you think it sounds reasonable? "When a person presents at a hospital, often in an emergency situation, it should be possible for a clinician to state in the medical records whether or not the injury or poisoning was self-inflicted and whether the injury or poisoning was intentional or accidental. However, the intention to die can be more difficult to ascertain (and therefore to record) since in certain cases even the individual involved may not be certain …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:55 AM
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?? Why do you think this supports the claim Melissa made ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 11:25 AM
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I'm refreshing myself on the literature, but I'm not seeing this attributed just yet. Can you provide a link?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 07:38 AM
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What international studies exist on the gender paradox in suicide? Like a million. I can try to find specific one but this isn't a niche, understudied area.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 07:22 AM
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Men are more violent though. I haven't looked at this issue for (quite) a while, but from memory, both are presented in the literature as explanations/factors, and not mutually exclusively.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 07:20 AM
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I said above that the statistics for suicide comparisons are flawed for the reason you cite, but even accounting for that, more women are attempting. I didn't raise women's attempts as a way to discredit the issue; as I said above, I think it I bad that men kill themselves more. I find the explanation of "current interventions are not as effective for men" vague and unhelpful even if true. What do you make of traditional explanations, such as men using more violent means to attempt?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 06:08 AM
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I wrote something but wasn't happy with it. You finish with a philosophical question: is it worse to live and suffer or die and not suffer? I don't know. Do you think women are trying to kill themselves becasue they don't see themselves as having value? As in, do you see this as something distinct to men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 04:07 AM
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You end with a very philosophical question that I don't have an answer to. Is it better to live and to suffer than to die and not suffer? I don't know. To the rest, I'm sure that's true for a subset of the male population who are killing themselves / doing the other bad things you describe, but I cannot speak to proportions. I think if that is your overriding concern, there needs to be some recognition that it is the flipside to men defining their value narrowly (relationship, job etc). If your …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 03:59 AM
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It does not follow from women killing themselves less that they are being treated at a higher rate. For instance, they attempt suicide more often than men (even if the statistics around that have problems). It also does not follow that men having worse outcomes on suicide means that women cannot have worse outcomes in other ways, and therefore does not automatically mean men are disadvantaged in some "gynocentric oligarchy". I am uninterested in some grand competing theory of gender. I think it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 03:16 AM
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Deleted the comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 03:09 AM
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I will take one point, although I can address others if needed, which is not to say I disagree with them all. You say "men's mental health is routinely ignored." And as evidence you cite higher suicide rates. You do not try to establish causation (indeed, gendered attention to mental health is more publically focused on men through the greater prominence of Movember), and ignore other metrics of mental health that women perform worse on such as depression and anxiety. This is not honesty, or int…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 02:25 AM
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Is this how you want to spend your life? Feminists describing a list of ways they see women having it bad, non-feminist male advocates describing a list of ways they see men having it bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 02:23 AM
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I'm sure this happened, but it is exceptionally rare and the effect of highlighting it here is nutpicking. Below I see a lot of generalizing into women/feminists as a whole, as if this could in any way be held as representative.
/r/MensRights09/08/25 03:06 AM
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he deserved a happy , fulfilling life
/r/MensRights26/01/22 12:13 AM
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them being trans implies they've been deceptive
/r/MensRights25/01/22 10:39 PM
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i'm sorry your friend died, but just looking at his most recent video on his YT channel he's accusing the Williams sisters of being trans which is insane
/r/MensRights25/01/22 09:55 PM
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First sentence wrong , already off to a good start
/r/MensRights14/10/21 06:24 AM
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"Women made up 31 percent of full-time faculty in U.S. higher education" so it's proportionate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 08:23 AM
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men make up 69% of full-time faculty in the US , so it's proportionate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 08:20 AM
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idk does hugging your parents give you sexual pleasure ? if not then it seems pretty evident that for males expressing affection through and deriving value from touch isn't necessarily linked to sexuality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/21 11:16 AM
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did you just ignore every other metric she listed ?
/r/MensRights14/09/21 11:46 AM
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if you added "like a man" , they probably took issue with your implication that self-esteem is a masculine thing. the idea of self-esteem being a masculine thing implies men are failing to be a man if they for any reason (ofc including mental health issues) don't have high self esteem . this makes it an example of what people would consider toxic masculinity : aspects of a cultural idea of masculinity which harm men further when they can't live up to a standard.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:48 AM
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which one would you like evidence for ?
/r/MensRights30/08/21 07:05 AM
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all that does is encourage companies to treat beliefs as something they can make into a commodity : something to sell. if all companies care about is their bottom line , then clearly gillette's ad was motivated by trying to appeal to a market , getting consumers to buy to support their ideological beliefs. you're just buying further into the scheme by promoting it in the opposite direction.
/r/MensRights28/08/21 08:30 AM
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the wise king
/r/MensRights28/08/21 08:20 AM
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It's not true that men are more likely to get depression or have anxiety disorders, or be victims of DV.
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