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1	The Myth Of Confidence "The men I’ve known that were put in situations like this always, ALWAYS, felt it was a breach of ethics and masculine loyalty to one’s friend. Some stood their ground and kept their friends’ secrets. Most, though, would defect and betray their friend’s trust." This entire section about keeping secrets seems to me like a pattern you've noticed in your own relationships and acquaintances, that might be true, but you're just extrapolating from a small sample size. I admit that modern western women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 09:45 PM
0	The Myth Of Confidence Women are allowed to be weak and "just exist". Men are forced to confront the worlds' and their own darkness and either succumb to it or rise above it. Saying that men are more morally developed is a half-truth, because sure, the most morally developed people are usually men. But the most evil, twisted and harmful people are usually men too. As for how a strong sense of justice relates to romantic nihilism, I just don't see it. Do you consider blackpill (which is a romantically nihilistic ideolo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/24 07:09 PM
32	The Myth Of Confidence Good post, I somewhat agree. I think it's less about repeated romantic rejection that causes 'romantic nihilism', although it definitely can play a role if it happens early enough. But simple social rejection, bullying etc while the ego is still developing. That can fuck people up real good and it's way more common. By the time someone like that gets to the point in their life when they want a relationship, they start with a giga debuff in the charisma department, they overthink everything and c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 12:37 AM
8	The Myth Of Confidence You learn to love yourself in childhood if you receive the right conditions. If you don't, you will depend on validation from others as an adult. As a young attractive woman it's easier to get it, as an anxious guy it's harder. It's that simple. What you wrote is the main talking point women use for rationalizing an instinctual thing. Men generally dont give a fuck about confidence when looking for partners. Women do. It's instinctual, there is no moral high ground to be gained here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 12:21 AM
8	The Myth Of Confidence I think OP is talking about earlier developmental stages. In your example he Wright brothers have already built a stable identity by being in accepting social circles as a child. This way their developed ego can handle hits from other people without it seriously affecting their internal world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 12:04 AM
–	What do all of the "lonely men" actually want people to do as a solution? Not a bad take, but children typically form friendships over interests and it's hard to get rid of the "boy/girl interest" stereotype. If both sexes are made to engage in both types of activities together in preschool/ elementary, it can work but it still would probably cause an uproar from some parents lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/24 09:06 PM
–	I think women could possibly be socialized to be more willing to date shy guys. Because his theory isn't true lol. His views essentially combine the materialistic views of TRP and the bluepill prospect of "there's no difference between how attraction works between genders" Take the dumb shit from both sides and mix them together... So much for purple pill lmao.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/24 08:34 PM
–	What do all of the "lonely men" actually want people to do as a solution? It already is everyone elses problem they just don't see that it is lol. It's just easier to say "men bad" than recognize that something is wrong with the way men are socialized and the expectations that we place on them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/24 08:23 PM
1	Neither gender is more socially skilled I'd say in general women have a closer connection with their own feelings (because they are allowed to express them more freely). This in turn makes them more receptive to the feelings of others, which is essentially social intelligence, EQ, whatever you want to call it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 09:00 PM
1	Why men must never open up to women. Well, my guess is, you were allowed to be weak/ different and not shamed for it (at least for the developmental period when it mattered) Now you can support yourself and have a healthy, functional mind. Congrats, and feel free to feel proud of your achievements, while acknowledging that for others, basic circumstances can be different. Unlike women, who have sexual value just for existing, autistic guys are almost always perma single/ never been in a relationship, feel unneeded and worthless the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 11:37 PM
3	Why men must never open up to women. "If men were more upfront and honest about who they were, what they deal with, and what actually being in close relation and cohabitation was like, then the women who select them would be prepared to deal with it provided they had a real idea what they were signing on for." If men weren't masking and lying, there would be no women "selecting" them in the first place. Women are not ready to face that same weakness present in themselves, in men. Because they want to feel safe and protected by men.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 10:42 PM
3	Why men must never open up to women. Dont generalize and dont try to make that seem like a female trait. It's a mental illness trait...	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 10:25 PM
3	Why men must never open up to women. Because I have emotional regulation. This whole “you don’t want vulnerability you want a performance” is bull shit. I think youre approaching this from a neurotypical / mentally healthy standpoint. You have emotional regulation because your needs were met in critical developmental periods. Basically the point i take from this post is that if those needs aren't met / someone is naturally more sensitive than others, then the rest of their life experience is drastically different as a man vs women.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 10:20 PM
1	Why men must never open up to women. "That shit gets old fast." There's always a next guy in the line, willing to take care of someone like that for the sole reason of access to their body. Thus a girl in this situation will always feel wanted and valuable even if they are a literal adult infant.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/24 09:32 PM
2	How is it that socially inept geeky types almost always seem to have long term partners who are often comparatively normal? OP, please be so kind and share your country of residence, because I've already started packing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 08:19 PM
2	CMV : I Think Some People Missed The Point Of The Redpill = Insecurity Post It's not okay for you personally. I tend to agree. We should always strive to be better versions of ourselves and fix our weaknesses. However here's the catch: Male insecurity, shyness, anxiety, (basically any neurotic traits) are INSTINCTUALLY repulsive to most heterosexual women. Its not decided on logical / moral level, but an evolutionary one. An insecurity just keeps growing if not reassured or addressed, it grows rapidly with rejection / shaming etc. Its fine for women to be insecure, whic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 01:12 PM
1	Red pill is about understanding women not shaming them Well if it's about understanding women then it does a horrible job at it. For every true statement I've heard from redpillers, there are 10 half-truths and 5 complete asspulls with 0 validity to them. "Red pill is understanding of female nature focuse on being the best you can be physically mentally finnancially intellectually." The issue is, it's not about the "best you can be for yourself". It's about faking desirable traits to gain validation from others. Its about leaning into a fake life an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/24 12:43 PM
11	Why do men not tell other men to be vulnerable, AND, why do women tell men to be more vulnerable, en masse? When women say "be vulnerable", in most cases they imagine a scenario, in which the man sobs a bit over a lost relative / pet / whatever sad thing they experienced, gets comforted and then returns to being the provider the woman loves, all while strengthening the bond between them. Opening up about: Fear Shame Anxiety Feeling lost Feeling weak/out of control Feeling unmotivated Is something the instinctual side of women hate to see, because if the person who is supposed to be their host feels th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/01/24 05:28 PM
–	Debate : The Manosphere is wrong with „Women hate emotional man“ because emotional and vulnerable are 2 things. Yes, that's healthier to a moderate degree but still conditioning. Also it's extremely rare in new generations because there were basically no healthy families whatsoever. And since you're looking for traditional values, you better be the kindest, most soft spoken angelic agreeable person ever (which is also conditioning) to match that. Overcoming this is the biggest obstacle Agreed, both on a societal and individual level.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/24 10:45 PM
1	Debate : The Manosphere is wrong with „Women hate emotional man“ because emotional and vulnerable are 2 things. Sorry but the "several men in your life" are RedPillers who have learnt faking it because they couldn't attract females otherwise. You can't fake real emotional connection but the shallow pampering and romantic gestures are just as fakeable as toughness. The "tough" side of men has always been an illusion, most males are just as weak and lost inside as you are. The emotional side gets damaged by the enforced gender role where anger/agression are the only outlet for negative feelings. So by being…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/24 05:49 PM
7	Debate : The Manosphere is wrong with „Women hate emotional man“ because emotional and vulnerable are 2 things. Literally everyone with a brain knows this, so no point in posting. But guess what, the person who is tough and protective but also pampers you and cares only about your entitled ass doesn't exist. It's an impossible character archetype made up by brain-rotted romance writers in order to appeal to girls with daddy issues. You can choose the guy who is emotionally available but also a "bitch" sometimes. Or the guy who is dangerous and exciting but doesn't really care about you beside your body. T…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/24 12:07 AM
3	What is up with the term “tingles”? It clearly comes from a place of bitterness. Women are desired by just existing and not being ugly/fat. Men have to show very particular traits to be desired women and apparently lots of modern men are unable to show these traits (not just authentically, not even by faking them). So at some point they realize that women's attraction is not some deep spiritual thing (as media portrays it to be a lot of times), in fact it's just as shallow as men's attraction. Which makes them mock it, in their bi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/23 03:34 PM
–	Women have zero tolerance policy for even slightly socially awkward men "he should learn to read the room" "he should learn to read social cues" "he should learn to take a hint immediately" "he should read the micro expressions on her face" Getting rejected in a polite manner is a bit different from saying / thinking shit like this. Zero tolerance policy in attraction is true, but that's largely biological and not something women can change about themselves. Also it doesn't mean that they are bound to react maliciously or without any empathy. Unless it's cold approa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/10/23 08:04 AM
0	Women have zero tolerance policy for even slightly socially awkward men The post takes it in a general context, while it's only (mostly) true when cold approaching.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/23 08:12 PM
1	What Men Think of as a Nice Guy/Asshole is Very Different From Women Half-agree. True assertiveness doesn't come off as douchey to anyone, except the extremely insecure (Here to represent ✋) There are few men in the modern generations who are truly assertive and have a healthy ego. Obviously, women are attracted to that. They are also attracted to anyone who is somewhat good at faking confidence, hence the assholes. But sometimes, there's also a submissive craving of being dominated by a wild, bestial force of nature. This desire for excitement mixes with the "Lo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 06:49 PM
1	Women have zero tolerance policy for even slightly socially awkward men Nah, if they aren't an entitled hateful bitch (which there are lots of), then this isn't true. But cold approaching with clear social anxiety will result in immediate rejection from pretty much everyone. Also, even if you approach slowly, try to be friends, etc, you will not be seen as a potential mate, because a decent level of self-confidence is needed to trigger attraction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/23 06:13 PM
7	Women are extremely visual in all other facets of life. It's completely irrational to think they make an exception for men. Hard disagree. They are visual when it comes to their own looks and their peers', because that is literally the only thing that dictates their SMV and they form hierarchies based on it. Their body image is also more tied to their identity than men's. Interior design: Purely sociological, they are usually responsible for maintaining home and making it feel like home, these things are marketed towards them, etc. Function vs form: This simply comes down to the fact that they are generally less inte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/23 11:49 AM
-2	Genuine close friendship between men and women is basically impossible It can, if the woman is extremely physically unattractive AND the guy is a low confidence, docile manlet. Also, if both are asexual These are extreme cases with pretty low chances but both are possible..	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 11:26 PM
2	CMV: Male friendships are not an alternative to romantic affection because they often end up having an element of competition I wouldnt say that is the primary reason. If you are lucky enough to find good friends you'll see that, they don't compete seriously and are always supportive, even if only on a surface level. I see the actual reasons being: Men being emotionally unavailable. The cycle of bad parenting -> Low confidence, immaturity and weak mind -> Having to play a mature, competent persona to be accepted due to the gender role and to get validation from other people. This fake toughness and ego barrier prevents…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:25 PM
–	It seems like men fail to understand that the attention that women get is not the compliment or even a privilege Yeah pretty much this. Your body is still a part of you so at least in a physical way you are loved, accepted and validated for who you are. The only women who can understand how much of a perk this is are the extremely undesirable ones who have never experienced it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/23 10:03 PM
–	The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people" It's because people tend to socialize within the bounds of their own social class, and choose the best mate from within that group. If you're strictly talking about sex, then sure, there are examples of manipulators on top of the hierarchy who are picking up lots of different girls from the middle class. But it's a lot less common than you make it out to be and definitely not the reason for your or any man's shitty experience. Nah, you got the first part right but not the "why" they do it. It's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/23 07:22 AM
1	The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people" I don't think there's much of a relation. Gold diggers are not acting on evolutionary instincts, and don't feel true attraction to their partners. Their mate choice is a very logical thing. Someone who shows all the traits I've talked about but is completely broke would still be extremely popular with women (although probably only in his own social class) Psychopathy exist within all classes, although they are overrepresented at the very top of the hierarchy. Sex is not only accessible to the to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 03:15 PM
1	The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people" Empathy is a huge part of true social intelligence, which these people usually lack. In their head all about themselves. For this reason, a lot of the traits they show are learnt, deliberate and inauthentic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/23 02:56 PM
1	CMV: Men are shallow in terms of appearance whilst women are shallow in terms of neurotype I think it's not necessarily about not passing on ND genes, but protecting and providing for the family unit, which mentally and neurologically healthy people are way more successful at. Over the time of our evolution, the families where women chose the "wrong" mate had a much higher chance of failure and thus removing themselves from the gene pool. This, in turn made attraction to the "right" traits a very favorable thing. Similarly, males are biologically attracted to symmetrical, healthy, you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/23 06:18 PM
8	The guys who have "game" do not talk to women as "regular people" The confidence to approach + humor(social intelligence) + being comfortable in this situation enough to be playful and flirtatious is what they are looking for. These are provider traits (signs of mental wellbeing) and trigger biological infatuation. An ideal situation is that a man can show these traits authentically, while still looking at them as regular people. Most modern men are incapable of this, because they are badly socialized and their mental health is down in dumps. Hence they have t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/23 05:47 PM
3	"Men are more motivated by fear, shame and pain, where as women needs somewhat of a positive reinforcement", what do you guys think? If men were motivated by fear, pain and shame then incels would not exist. Society expects men to get over negative feelings quickly, so the two acceptable reactions are to act unfazed, or try to reach an achievement as soon as possible, to boost their damaged ego. Noone really gets motivation from negative experiences, especially not shame. We are all motivated by a cycle of positive reinforcement / validation. If that cycle didn't begin in your childhood it's much harder to jump-start it later…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/03/22 03:06 PM
2	Why are women so much more content to be forever alone than men? Generally lower sex drive Sex isn't seen as the primary means of getting validation, women aren't shamed for not having sex Still, if they need it, getting occasional casual sex is easy for a woman Being completely independent as a woman is heavily encouraged nowadays Getting support/validation outside of sex/relationships is also more difficult for men. In most male friendships, you can't talk about your feelings/insecurities. This pushes the need for sex/relationships even higher.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/22 12:18 PM
2	Dual Mating Strategy: Why men need to be aware of TRP it's teachings even if they don't agree with it. Honestly, based on these posts, both of them seem like immature, selfish and shallow people. I'd say they deserve each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/22 04:22 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread Yo, so whenever I try to post a reply in a 2 days old thread I get "something went wrong" error. Am I banned in that thread? I didn't recieve any ban notificatons or such. Is the thread just closed? Why else could it be happening?	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/02/22 07:31 PM
1	Q4W: Do you believe that men have it harder? 3) Exactly. Which means their value IS inherent, but also doesn't last forever. 4) Also true, but it just so happens that when you have to imagine a 'loser', noone ever imagines a woman. Maybe think about that for a second.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/22 09:47 PM
4	Q4W: Do you believe that men have it harder? Yeah, maybe take a look at Japan and South Korea's suicide rates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/02/22 09:43 PM
5	Costs of Feminism Mega-Thread I disagree. As I see it, most modern day "woke" feminists value only masculine qualities in women. (and in general) Their ideal female figure is a carrierist who can compete with men on every level, be it business, politics, physical strength, etc. In a materialistic society, masculine qualities will always be more desirable, because feminine values don't bring anyone closer to financial success, or help them achieve a higher status in the dominance hierarchy. Which is why heterosexual men lacki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/21 07:22 PM
2	Purple-Pillers, how evenly are your beliefs in both pills mixed? What in particularly are your red and blue pill beliefs specifically? [REDPILL] Agree: Most women follow animalistic instincts in mate selection, they are looking for very specific traits in men. When you dont have those traits by default, your best bet at finding a relationship is playing the game and trying to attain or fake those traits. Nature dictates women to be hypergamous and to be sexual selectors. Thus, they are gatekeeping romance and relationships and show extremely entitled and toxic behavior, especially on dating apps. Disagree: AWALT. It's an extrem…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/05/21 12:32 PM
2	What do men mean when they say they want sympathy for their dating issues? It means they should stop shaming less successful men and virgins. As the "more empathetic gender", they should also understand that these guys will never be loved for who they are. Introverted and socially anxious men have to play a role and fake their entire identity, just for a chance at finding a relationship. For me, the idea of being loved in condition to how I perform in a hierarchy and how well I can fake being someone else is nauseating. Even being objectified and loved only for my body…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/04/21 01:07 PM
1	Questions for Purple Pill Men. A) Have you experienced any of the following during childhood?; parental divorce, parental substance misuse, or parental incarceration, poverty, bullying, bereavememt, or another type of trauma Bullying yes. B) Have you experienced any of the following in adulthood?; divorce, substance misuse, incarceration, poverty, bereavement or another type of trauma No. C) Do you currently experience low mood, feelings of worthlessness, (social) anxiety or depression? No feelings of worthlessness, but the r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/02/21 01:12 PM