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You know, I don't really agree with a lot of MGTOW ideology, but ou bring up good points here. The author's complaints are reality and the status quo for most men, except most men wouldn't dare to demand that someone plan out an evening in exchange for "the pleasure of their company". That would be entitled and if there is one thing that most men understand, with painful clarify, it is that we are not entitled to female bodies or attention.
/r/MGTOW17/10/17 03:43 AM
129

This is where the wage gap comes from... on the balance, men, through choice and the expectations placed on them, work harder and more risky jobs.
/r/MensRights16/10/17 03:03 PM
2

Your post reads like a damn self-parody, brah
/r/MensRights09/10/17 09:22 PM
4

In my opinion, we should use the fact that the tables have turned to show how unfair and absurd it is. Having sex doesn't mean that anyone should be forced into parenthood or financial obligations... that should be our position.
/r/MensRights09/10/17 07:45 PM
2

Isn't there the teensiest chance that a brown Muslim lady might be able to perform roles, and build relationships, and gather evidence that perhaps a white man might not be able to? Isn't there a certain amount of value in receiving diverse perspectives and viewpoints, instead of living in an echo chamber?
/r/MGTOW05/10/17 12:43 AM
6

I think the reason we don't like Skyler is because the show is about Walt and his adventures, and let's admit it, he is a badass. But if you think about things objectively... Skyler is a reasonable person. She only comes to tacitly accept and participate in Walt's crimes when there is no obvious alternative and her making a unilateral decision to cheat almost makes sense, since it's a response to his making a unilateral decision to get into the drug trade. In other words, we relate to Walk more …
/r/MGTOW05/10/17 12:34 AM
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One of the hindrances is that a lot of men simply cannot control their sex drives, or are susceptible to social pressure/shame. For this reason, I don't think that MGTOWs will be more than a minority in society. However, we need not be more than a minority in society to affect significant, even radical change. If, say, 10% of highly desirable men are unapologetically single, even better if they publically identify as MGTOW, I think we may see some interesting societal change. If that happens, gr…
/r/MGTOW30/11/15 12:08 AM
2

So, it's wrong to profile people on the basis of religion, but it's okay to profile people on the basis of their gender. Fuck the world.
/r/MGTOW23/11/15 10:18 PM
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being killed or maimed defending the country Or, being killed or maimed because politicians manage to sell some stupid conflict as "defending the country".
/r/MensRights21/11/15 04:58 PM
5

It bothers me that they're bothered by "manspreading" at all. The physical act is inconsiderate and jerkish, but the problem is that they have somehow made it a gendered issue, when it's something that few men do, and when it's something that women occasionally do as well.
/r/MensRights15/11/15 03:53 AM
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I agree. I posted on that subreddit recently about how pro-lifers have a point, although I happen to disagree with them, and you need only look at my recent comments to find how well they received. Meanwhile, recent highly upvoted submissions on that subreddit include a post about a fellow's question about how he ought to explain to his SO that they "lost" their twins as a result of a terrible accident. So it's a tragedy when you don't want to lose them, but when you do want to lose them, it's y…
/r/MensRights15/11/15 03:37 AM
1

Let's be frank, women are objectified in our society in many ways, and that's a problem. And the picture of feminine beauty--5'9", rail thin, with blonde hair and blue eyes, is not a realistic standard for a lot of women. But that is absolutely no excuse to let yourself become like the woman in the advertisement. That state is the result of years of excess and irresponsibility. I mean, if you want to be with a woman who looks like that, power to you I suppose, but me... I like to scuba dive, run…
/r/MensRights14/11/15 08:45 PM
5

I doubt that it could be considered illegal even in a two party consent state, as you're recording a government official performing official duties in an area where there is no expectation of privacy.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 05:30 PM
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As far as keeping notes, note the day and time when a specific comment was made, annotate specific quotes, get other students to sign off that your notes are accurate, and if possible, sneak an audio/video recording device into the class. It's probably against school policy, but in this case, I advocate breaking school rules in order to demonstrate gross and unprovoked violation of federal law.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 02:00 PM
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I think it's legal prostitution that's really going to upset gender relations in this country. It's true that prostitution is legal in some European countries, and also in Canada and Mexico, but once it's legal in the US... Jesus Christ, imagining ordering a prostitute online, in safety, in comfort, at your convenience, any time of the day or night. The religious people in this country will hate it, but that's not going to stop me for damn sure, nor will it stop millions of others like me. As fo…
/r/MGTOW14/11/15 01:55 PM
4

And, that day, the our numbers increased.
/r/MGTOW13/11/15 10:14 PM
2

She slapped him first, which was not justified, but you're right--after he blocked the door, she is cleared to use the necessary amount of force to remove him, and if he responds with force of his own, she can protect herself. That's not what happened, though. Her assault was rather over the top, wouldn't you agree? I mean if she'd warned the dude to get out of her way, and he didn't, and then she hit him, fine, that's reasonable. However, repeated blows and a knee strike... I don't know, I thin…
/r/MensRights13/11/15 06:43 AM
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My engineering school was 80+% male, and the few women that were there... were not what I would consider datable, or fuckable. But they got treated very well... they didn't have to do homework, for fuck's sakes, because guys were jumping over each other to help them out for it. Meanwhile, I could hardly get a date because the numbers were just against me. So if the shoe should come to be on the other foot someday, I won't really give a damn. I guess it's sad that our society seems to be sliding …
/r/MGTOW13/11/15 03:34 AM
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If he enjoyed it, well hey, more power to him, and no crime, no foul. But he clearly didn't. I mean fuck, a girl might enjoy it if her boyfriend spanked her when they were being sexual, that doesn't mean I can go up to random women and spank them and then keep pursuing them even after they make it crystal fucking clear that they're not interested.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 09:35 PM
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You're right. In this case, the "she's just a girl" bullshit just doesn't fly, because she's not "just" a girl, she's an Olympic level judoka and professional MMA fighter. She has literally spent her life training in the deadly arts. So, unless he cast the first stone by attacking her first, and in a rather vicious manner, her response was completely over the top, illegal, and worthy of condemnation. And I'd bet good money that he didn't attack her first, because if he did, we would know about i…
/r/MensRights11/11/15 09:29 PM
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I want to see a video where a so-so looking girl approaches men, and then compare it to a video where a so-so looking girl with a padded bra approaches men.
/r/MGTOW10/11/15 05:05 AM
2

If your whole argument can be defeated by asking the question "Why?" only once, maybe you'd better reconsider your position. That's always my response to the whole "man up"/"be a man"/"you don't like real women?" type stuff. Why in the good fuck should I man up? Is it going to make my life happier? Safer? More stable? Will more opportunities be opened up to me? Kids are a strong argument for getting into a relationship with a woman if you want them, but the cons outweigh the pros by a lot, unles…
/r/MGTOW09/11/15 11:24 PM
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The double standard is shocking... to be a quality man, you have to be college educated, decently tall, fit, good looking (and, let's be honest, white with blue eyes). But to be a quality woman, you have to be... there? The dating game is changing, and I'm a gambling man, so I'm always ready to roll the dice... but the odds still aren't in my favor, so I'll play other games for now. Fuck the world and fuck the society.
/r/MGTOW07/11/15 08:12 AM
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I'm actually pretty honest about it. I enjoy being wealthy, having freedom and free time, and it's very hard for me to think of a place for a significant other in my life. Throw in the absurd costs and the even more absurd risks, and you see why I think the only way to win is to not play the game.
/r/MGTOW07/11/15 08:07 AM
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The amount of courting I'd have to do to get even a second glance from her, my (not white) race and lack of religion notwithstanding... the odds are against me, so I'm not going to roll the dice. And thus we arrive at MGTOW philosophy. I'd enjoy having sex with her quite a lot, a serious relationship not so much, but the price isn't right, so I'm not buying.
/r/MGTOW07/11/15 08:03 AM
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I am thoroughly interested in shipping container homes and other small, non-traditional housing solutions. Thanks for bringing them up in this discussion.
/r/MGTOW31/10/15 05:50 PM
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I think it's a very good thing for you to bring this up. Houses can be a very wise investment for some people, especially if they plan to live in the same place for 10+ years. On the other hand, they are a massive commitment and a massive risk, and if you want to be agile and adaptable, maybe you should stick to renting. This is just the introduction to a conversation that MGTOWs should have with themselves when they consider their living options. Mash dis article for a little more information.
/r/MGTOW31/10/15 05:49 PM
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these men need help understanding their misdirected rage This is a grave misunderstanding that, honestly, we bring upon ourselves. I do not hate women in general, or even very many women in particular. I just don't think they have very much to offer me, and I am extremely skeptical of entering long term and/or official relationships with them, given the current social and legal conditions. If someone wishes to write this off as a "fear of commitment", that's their perogative.
/r/MGTOW31/10/15 04:52 PM
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I don't know if I agree with the connotation that the term "escapism" brings with it. That's because I believe that it is only rational to say "fuck you" to the society that you're "supposed to" participate in, if it becomes unbearable to you, and if there is a better alternative. I mean, damn, tell me why I should be a good little fellow and work forty plus hours a week at a high stress job, work out almost daily, become learned, traveled, and wise, all so that I can (hopefully, maybe, possibly…
/r/MensRights07/07/15 11:22 PM
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This is entirely correct, and it's (I feel) the reason why we have so many laws on the books that I can almost guarantee that you break many of them every single day. The cops and the law enforcement/judicial system can and will ignore you, if they wish to, but if they wish to, they can utterly destroy your life. If they can't get you for improperly filing a tax form, they'll get you for a code violation on your rental property. If they can't get you for that, they'll search your car because the…
/r/MensRights07/07/15 11:13 PM
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men have a higher inhibition threshold when it comes to things like laying a female stranger to earn some money if they are in a happy relationsship. And they'll surely regret it and confess afterwards Proof? Women often only feel regret when they were caught doing it and otherwise rationalise it away Proof?
/r/MGTOW07/07/15 11:03 PM
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Yeah, it's a bit bizarre, isn't it? Myself, I'd have sex with a moderately attractive woman for $2,000 for sure. $200, still for sure. $50, still yes. $20 and under, maybe not, unless I was in the mood for it. For me, the allure of MGTOW philosophy is that it acknowledges that the prices and potential prices of traditional relationships are absurdly high, and that until these prices fall, it doesn't make sense to be a buyer.
/r/MGTOW07/07/15 11:01 PM
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This is more horrifying than the deaths of the mercs (who, by the way, are very clearly stand-ins for soliders) who were dragged screaming in terror into the night by ravenous velociraptors, when the last thing the controllers see are their horrified faces?
/r/MensRights26/06/15 04:16 AM
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I experience a visceral reaction every time someone tells me to settle down. I guess it's one thing to have a paid off house to go home to, and a stable job and all that, but for me, life is about freedom and opportunities. This means opportunities to travel, become a great artist, a respected engineer, a marathon runner, and all sorts of other things. I won't deny that there's a huge allure to having a family, but it's not a realistic or wise choice in today's social and legal landscape. So, as…
/r/MGTOW09/02/15 02:33 AM
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If this happened to two girls, it might actually cause international outrage. Bear with me for a moment. Imagine a school in Iran or Malaysia or what have you. Let us suppose that on Ramadan or some other Islamic holiday, two girls refuse to wear a culturally preferred but not legally required article of dress. In response, the principal makes them stand in trash bags, undress, threatens to mutilate their genitals, removes the trash bags and has them stand before their classmates in their underw…
/r/MensRights09/01/15 09:19 AM
1

It's very strange, isn't it? And now consider this. I am not a violent guy at all, but if a person in a position of power/authority did this to a relative of mine--a helpless, defenseless kid--I would be extremely tempted to punch them out if given the opportunity. This would probably get me into a lot more trouble than the slap on the wrist the principal seems to be getting. For the record, I don't support punching out this so-called principal. But I would definitely understand it if one of the…
/r/MensRights09/01/15 09:15 AM
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you lost your job, but you aren't helping around the house. yesterday you wanted praise for doing your own laundry. ... now i pay all the bills and you get frustrated when i come home from the grocery and didn't get the good gelato. This sounds a lot like the behavior that MGTOWs complain about when women do it. I think I'm on your side... if you lose your job, then you had better make sure that your SO comes to a spotless house and a hot meal on the table.
/r/MGTOW07/01/15 08:11 PM
2

What about surrogate motherhood? Obviously you'd need a pretty ironclad contract, but until (if) artificial wombs become common and affordable, I think it's a perfectly viable way to have kids.
/r/MGTOW07/01/15 04:28 AM
1

I know exactly what you're talking about... But in my observations, mgtows are well equipped to resist the call of durable material goods. This is because we are skeptical of what society and industry tells us to do.
/r/MGTOW03/01/15 11:29 PM
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As long as it's what you want to do and you're not harming anyone else, no one can honestly say that you're doing anything wrong.
/r/MGTOW03/01/15 08:00 AM
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I don't work less in terms of hours a week, but since I am single without kids, I can save over 50% of my (entry level engineer) income. This should enable me to, I expect, retire comfortably at age 35 if I wish to. Honestly, I probably won't retire at 35. I might enter another field of work, or try my hand at entrepreneurship, or run ultramarathons, or I don't know what else. But this is only possible because I am MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW03/01/15 05:46 AM
3

If your income producing assets are 25x your expenses, you probably can.
/r/MGTOW03/01/15 05:44 AM
5

I understand your concerns, but this is why I think they're misplaced. I have read that our Japanese counterparts, herbivore men, have the ire of industry over there, because they are hard to advertise to. In other words, they don't buy shit, they don't watch ads, and they can't easily be coralled or controlled. Western MGTOWs are even more radically individualist. And let's suppose there was some sort of MGTOW public figure, or that the general society tried to co-opt MGTOW and transform it int…
/r/MGTOW02/01/15 12:54 PM
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This is good, actual self-improvement and advice is what fledgling MGTOWs could use.
/r/MGTOW02/01/15 12:48 PM
1

Sometimes, I wonder why I'm a MGTOW... but not that often. The Hell with any society that puts people in jail, and nearly prison, for "outraging the modesty" of someone else.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 12:40 PM
5

It would be worth it to put in time, money, and other effort for a romantic relationship if we didn't have ridiculous divorce procedures (and divorce rates) and if there was an actual motive to enter a romantic relationship. But as far as I can see it, being in a romantic relationship gives you very little. You might get sex a bit more often, but you have to give up your freedom, and I can't think of any other benefits. Thanks, but no thanks.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 09:44 PM
2

I believe this to be why males keep maturing and improving on their intellect after age twenty Is this a joke? If not, then, my friend, I'd recommend considering how the other half lives! It may well be that your social circle (of men) continues to mature and self-improve well beyond their twenties, but for fucks' sakes, that's not how most guys in the US are at all! As far as I'm concerned, MGTOW is a self-centered philosophy, where one man comes to realize the stupidity of getting married or l…
/r/MGTOW27/12/14 03:23 AM
2

Another Indian American chiming in. My parents were pretty Americanized by the time I was a child, and nowadays, they're pretty much Americans who happen to have certain religious beliefs and dietary restrictions. I have never been pressured to marry anyone other than "Hey, I've got a friend coming over and he's got a college-aged daughter, get a shave!". I don't have a problem with Indian women (or any women as a matter of fact) but the central question that brought me to MGTOW remains unanswer…
/r/MGTOW27/12/14 03:17 AM
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This is the real issue... just because leaders of industry and government happen to be white, that doesn't mean that poor white Appalachians, or rural white southerners, are empowered at all. Or, for that matter, that being a middle class white guy necessarily means that your life is without difficulty. I would never argue that women never have struggles in their lives, but in a nation where men go to war, are murdered, and commit suicide far more than women, I don't know how you could deny that…
/r/MensRights27/12/14 03:07 AM
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Let alone "equal standards". Have you seen the difference in physical requirements between men and women in the armed forces? It's absurd. Men's physical standards are not what I'd call tough to meet, but the standards for women are just a joke. You could point out that standards get easier as one moves up in age brackets in the armed services, and my response would be that the armed services need senior members who might have a harder time keeping pace with their younger colleagues and subordin…
/r/MensRights25/12/14 03:09 AM
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No derailing intended, but I have encountered this sort of thing when I argue with gun control advocates. They point out that gun violence is out of control, that the US is the most violent country in the west and such things. I accept that gun violence is indeed a problem in the US, but then I point out that we likely suffer less assault, sexual assault, robbery, and others than many western nations due to being armed to the teeth. I also point out that crime has been dropping for twenty or so …
/r/MensRights25/12/14 03:04 AM
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No substantiation whatsoever. Not even anecdotes. What an insipid post.
/r/MGTOW25/12/14 03:00 AM
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Freedom is indeed glorious. Hail Satan.
/r/MGTOW25/12/14 02:58 AM
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That's one thing I never understand about articles about grass eating men/MGTOWs/MRAs. They never, ever try to understand us from our perspective. They never try to understand our motives or our viewpoints, or the reasoning that has resulted in our decisions. And they never try to use the carrot to get us back onto the normal societal path, only the stick. The thing is, though, that we're used to getting made fun of and berated by regular society, and we know that if we follow the usual "get a g…
/r/MGTOW22/12/14 02:20 PM
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This is a very strong statement... there is the underlaying assumption in general society, as well as feminist circles, that men do and should wish to pursue women with all available resources. We should be willing to, at the drop of a hat, spend hours out of our days and decades out of our lives, not to mention the contents of our bank accounts, pleasing women. And that would be fine, if there was an element of reciprocity. Let me defend myself: I am willing to go through certain troubles to pl…
/r/MGTOW22/12/14 02:02 PM
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Yes, why not? I mean if you can sign a mortgage, which is a 30 year commitment, or start an LLC, or sign a contract that grants you the right to carry a handgun and use it in certain circumstances, why on earth shouldn't you be able to sign a contract that requires you to raise a child? I'd say as long as there's no element of fraud or coercion, then certainly such a contract should be enforceable.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 09:54 PM
1

I think it ought to be enforceable. Why not?
/r/MensRights18/12/14 09:32 AM
0

Yeah, if hormones are what's making you fat, then stop fucking eating hormones.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 09:29 AM
2

The whole idea is absurd... we're a subculture that is, as you said, about individualism first and foremost. We don't make any bones about our anti-religious and extreme political views. Inquisition may not be a fascist band, but there are many far right bands in the metal community, and if they're not scared by anti-fa and the various governments in the US and Europe, I don't think they'll be afraid of SJWs.
/r/MensRights14/12/14 10:30 AM
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I'd like to back the notion of networking with the guy who was chased and assaulted. Back each other up in legal proceedings and help each other out. Plus, the fellow almost certainly has contact information on the lady, so it would be very helpful to have him on your side.
/r/MensRights08/12/14 06:46 AM
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The crazy thing is that if a guy said this, it would be perceived as, and would likely be, misogynistic as fuck. Take this sentence: "Women shouldn't have to come in to work when they're menstruating." Imagine a well-rounded radical feminist saying it into a bullhorn. Now imagine a man with a beard and a Southern accent saying it. They're two very different things, aren't they?
/r/MensRights06/12/14 05:21 AM
3

I understand why one might surrender to a sexual assault or rape. It's a perfectly reasonable decision if the other individual is a lot bigger/stronger than you or is armed, and surrendering isn't the same as consenting at all. At the same time... why the bloody Hell not report it as soon as you have the opportunity?
/r/MensRights04/12/14 04:23 PM
2

If someone tries to murder you, or tries and succeeds in torturing and mutilating you, you can still get cross-examined. It might suck, but it's a vital part of our legal system. I think it's only consistent to support the cross-examining of alleged rape victims.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 04:21 PM
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What do you stand to gain? What do you stand to lose? What are the risks of each? Answer these questions rationally, and then make the logical decision.
/r/MGTOW02/12/14 01:01 AM
1

I agree. I slapped my girlfriend across the face because she was beating me in Monopoly, and she called the cops on me. Total overreaction. If I actually said this, wouldn't you think that I'm nuts and say something like, "No, dude, she pretty much did the right thing."
/r/MensRights29/11/14 03:56 AM
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I think the best way to enter this community is to just ask yourself some serious questions, and try to forget your social programming. Here's a simple one to start you off. Given the potential risks and the potential benefits, does it make sense to marry a woman? Well, let's consider the risks. The marriage could become loveless and cold. You could get divorced and say goodbye to half of the money that you worked for, and say goodbye to your children for more than half of the week. Naturally th…
/r/MGTOW29/11/14 03:37 AM
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Our society gives very, very few fucks about men unfortunately. I mean damn, we're very concerned about violence against women (which is a really terrible thing, BTW) but the fact is that men are at far greater risk for murder and assault, and possibly rape as well if you count prison rape.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 03:31 AM
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If we're going to break the so-called glass ceiling with laws, we should also break the glass floor. 30% of combat troops should be women. So should 30% of garbage collectors and construction workers. So should 30% of merchant marines, who often have to spend months at sea with little notice. So should oil rig workers, who get paid a lot, but again have to spend months away from home.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 03:22 AM
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The thing is that if prostitution was legalized, you can bet that brothels would have their own security systems. In the US, they might well have armed guards too. In fact, if prostitution was legalized in the US, I'm betting it would be a major game changer in the whole dating/romance scene, just as much as the introduction of the pill.
/r/MGTOW25/11/14 11:02 PM
1

I completely agree. In fact, I think that it should be considered a form of rape if you lie about certain aspects of yourself and have sex with someone. Therefore it should definitely be considered a form of rape if you like about your birth control status.
/r/MGTOW25/11/14 10:59 PM
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It's really hard to resist the instinct to be "kinder" to women, particularly attractive ones, than one is to the general public.
/r/MGTOW20/11/14 12:47 AM
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Her case is very weird... she's devoted her time--her life, really--to her career, and as a result she's quite successful at it and makes a good amount of money. But she wants a husband who out-earns her. So she wants a guy who's devoted his life to his career and is even more successful at it than she is. Why would that guy want to get married at all, get married to a Japanese woman, or to her in particular? We as MGTOWs tend to agree that it's not rational to enter long-term relationships with…
/r/MGTOW15/11/14 05:17 PM
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There's definitely a point... he wore an unprofessional shirt and got a hell of a lot more flak than he deserved, but she's putting herself out there in a quasi-pornographic manner, and if I mention that I'm not sure that that's positive for our society, I'm slut shamining. It's ridiculous.
/r/MensRights15/11/14 06:42 AM
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Going beyond that, I'd say it's wise to minimize romantic interactions with women wholescale. I'm completely okay with working with women, and there are many women who I admire a lot, but is there really that much to gain by being around strange women socially or romantically? There's the possibility of getting married and all that, but there's also the possibility of having your life ruined via unfair divorce. It's just a high stakes gamble that I'm not too keen on taking. I'm fine with being f…
/r/MensRights14/11/14 11:19 PM
1

That's why we have guns. If someone attacks you with their fists and feet, you can hit them back and shove them away, and if a crowd of people begins to attack you, there is no doubt at all that you can draw a gun, and then fire it if they continue to attack you. At least, that's what I'd say if I trusted the judicial system to be reasonable in this case. I don't know that you'd get very far if you so much as lifted a finger against a violent woman, even if you had dozens of witnesses and video …
/r/MensRights14/11/14 09:58 PM
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You have more than enough evidence to get a restraining order against this woman and have her prosecuted. This sounds extreme... until you reverse the genders. Imagine what would happen if a guy came up behind a girl and started to hit her without any reasonable provocation. Imagine if she didn't violently react, and asked to talk about it later, and he then slapped her across the face. In a case like that, I doubt a restraining order would be necessary, because there would be crowds of other pe…
/r/MensRights14/11/14 09:55 PM
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and the group the Obama regime says are assumed to be terrorists when they are killed by drones. To clarify, those who die in drone strikes are often called "military aged men" or something like that, when in fact it might be more accurate to say that they're children or male noncombatants. Or, in at least one case that we're aware of, American children. Google up what happened to Abdulrahman al-Awlaki for more information. Administration figures tried to call him a military aged male until his …
/r/MensRights14/11/14 09:51 PM
2

The problem is that no one cares. At times, that quote from the film, The Dark Knight, seems shockingly true. Even if this particular instance isn't true, there are plenty of examples of people caring a lot more about women than they do about men. Take the "rape culture" problem on college campuses. It's true that some young women do get raped and sexually assaulted in college, and that's a terrible problem that needs to be dealt with. But at the same time, at least young women are going to coll…
/r/MensRights05/11/14 11:39 PM
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Some things are priceless. ^^^<sup>For</sup> ^^^<sup>everything</sup> ^^^<sup>else,</sup> ^^^<sup>there's</sup> ^^^<sup>Mastercard.</sup>
/r/MensRights04/11/14 04:07 AM
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Divorces, attorneys' fees, heartbreak from being separated from your children...
/r/MensRights04/11/14 12:07 AM
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Whoosh! Anyway, I once asked a feminist friend of mine about this, and I pointed out that my pride might be hurt if someone insisted on paying for dinner for me, and that it might make me feel an obligation to be sexual or whatever. She kind of agreed with me, but said that it can also be sweet to pay for dinner. I say fuck it. I have no problem with interacting with women professionally (in fact, I greatly respect and admire some of my coworkers and superiors) and I also enjoy the company of my…
/r/MensRights04/11/14 12:06 AM
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Live an AWESOME life. Read books, write books, travel, adventure, live, laugh, eat, climb mountains physical and metaphorical. And as you're doing these things, ask yourself, what on Earth do you need a woman for? Sex is nice, but it's risky and very expensive in our society. As for children, you can adopt, or use a surrogacy service if you wish to. But use your brain to overcome your animal instinct, and reason to obtain what you want in life.
/r/MGTOW01/11/14 12:06 AM
3

She's scared because of all of the scary men out there, and as a weak, helpless strong woman who don't need no man, she's go to be ready to defend herself. Remember how in our society women are more likely to be murdered or assaulted than men something something something something
/r/MensRights31/10/14 11:08 PM
6

The way I usually approach this is by saying that it's true that if you merely compare men to women, men do seem to make more money. But you have to take into account that women are far more likely to spend years out of the workforce for family reasons, that men are more likely to take difficult, dangerous, and dirty jobs. Once you start to do that, the wage gap shrinks, and perhaps even reverses itself. So instead of talking about the wage gap, we should talk about the root of the problem, and …
/r/MensRights31/10/14 07:26 AM
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Half of the shit in that video wasn't harassment. It was pretty creepy when a couple of the guys walked very close to her for a few minutes, and there were definitely comments that I didn't think were polite, but "good evening miss"? Really? That's harassment? It's honestly thinly-veiled classism and racism. Let's take the same comments that I don't think are harassment--good evening miss and stuff like that--and imagine how the lady in the video would react if they were being said by clean cut …
/r/MensRights29/10/14 10:58 AM
1

I wonder what they have to say about African Americans.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:32 AM
4

As much as men in general aren't trusted around children, there's no doubt about it, the suspicion of gay men who dare to smile or be kind to children is ten times as bad.
/r/MensRights27/10/14 12:16 AM
2

Hopefully, those of us who are younger can drive young voters away from Hilary by pointing out that she's not a fan of leaving violent video games be. Those of us who lean libertarian are also not likely to vote for her, since she's an anti-gunner.
/r/MensRights25/10/14 06:52 PM
28

And if 43 women were killed in Mexico, I'd have heard about it. It really speaks to the idea of male disposability when people care more about kidnapped women than dead men.
/r/MensRights25/10/14 06:30 PM
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For fucks' sakes. I guess the proper thing to do is to let her die.
/r/MensRights24/10/14 05:12 PM
1

I'm not overt about it. If I sense they may be receptive, I drop a few hints and comments here and there, and if they seem interested, then I go from there. If not, that's okay with me. I'm just here to enjoy life and the company of others. They don't need to agree with all of my social views for that.
/r/MGTOW24/10/14 12:14 AM
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I tend to agree. Back in the day, fathers and family men were very highly respected, and in fact if you were middle aged and didn't have a family, you were a weirdo. Furthermore, men in such positions had power in their own homes, which sort of made working 40+ hours a week worth it. There were also divorce laws which didn't annihilate men as much. Now, there are really very few benefits to being a father or a family man. You don't get respected if you do it, it's not expected of you, and the ri…
/r/MGTOW23/10/14 02:08 PM
2

I think that your thoughts are indicating a slow transition from the men's rights community to MGTOW, because you're taking an--I believe--more realistic view of gender relations. Men's rights guys are rightly concerned about unfair divorces, men being punished more harshly than women in criminal matters, double standards when it comes to children having sex with teachers, and other things. But even if we manage to fix all of those problems, it's not going to help guys like me and you out, guys …
/r/MensRights23/10/14 02:03 PM
13

It's utterly bizarre. One of the most important rules of negotiation, or even of dealing with other people in general, is to understand what they want. If you refuse to understand what someone else is looking for, of course you'll never be able to get them to do what you want. In the past, all it would take to get our gender to bend over and take it up the rear end were comments like, "man up." However, we are starting to realize how empty those words are, because they basically mean, "do what I…
/r/MGTOW23/10/14 01:37 PM
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That's always the golden question, isn't it? You hear about women who want a 6'2" guy with blue eyes who makes six figures and is set to make a lot more, who has a nice house and a nice car, who has precisely this or that sort of personality, et cetera, et cetera... and then you think to yourself, "Lady, just how do you expect to earn the affections of this guy? You work at Shoprite!" The entitlement is nuts. If ladies can feel that they are owed precisely the right sort of man (who, by virtue o…
/r/MGTOW23/10/14 01:11 PM
3

What an unpleasant person.
/r/MensRights19/09/14 11:58 PM
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It would be nice if you had looked the girl in question up and down and then said, "Don't worry, I won't. Ever."
/r/MensRights04/08/14 03:07 AM
1

Yeah, I don't know what this guy is on with all of his fallen from grace bullshit. The article he linked to is interesting, to be sure, but the claims it refers to are most decidedly not settled science. As far as how much better humans were back in the good ol' days of starvation, being eaten by lions, and going to war because there isn't enough water left in the creek for us to share, well, they may have been physically stronger, but I vastly prefer the modern world. There's orders of magnitud…
/r/MensRights04/08/14 12:19 AM
2

What by definition, is a man to you? Someone who is capable, self sufficient, and has his mind on the real world. And later: Men don't create forums to cry about their rights. Feminine males, may What is your opinion on person who are not interested in fighting and dying in wars as useless and horrific as the First World War? Would you say that such persons are men, or wouldn't you?
/r/MensRights04/08/14 12:16 AM
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Listening could only improve yourself. But so far, you've pretty much said that a person is only a man if he is prepared to sacrifice himself in an absolutely unnecessary and incredibly horrific war. There have been a few wars in history that I think were worth dying for, but WWI is not on that list. Apart from that, if you personally haven't fought in a war, I don't think you're in any position to shame the rest of us, because we want to fight in precisely the same number of wars that you have.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 12:12 AM
2

Or weapons, or mechanical advantages (ie the ability to shove you down a flight of stairs).
/r/MensRights30/07/14 03:09 AM
4

Perhaps we should all act like conservative Muslims and pointedly shield our eyes from women.
/r/PussyPass29/07/14 06:52 PM
2

Yeah, I tend to agree that women and men are currently in a battle toward the lowest common denominator of morality. Many, possibly even most women are just not good people... but are men much better? Nope.
/r/MGTOW26/07/14 06:43 PM
8

Didn't you get the memo? A suffering woman is a bigger problem than a suffering man.
/r/MensRights26/07/14 01:12 AM
18

I think what we face here is a genuine problem with rationality: any observed phenomenon is interpreted to support the idea of "the patriarchy". I have asked a few feminists what precisely would count as evidence against the existence of "the patriarchy" and their responses--blank stares or stuttered evasions--make me consider that they take "the patriarchy" as axiomatic, not a claim that might or might not be true. For fairness's sake, I'd say that the patriarchy exists if men lived longer than…
/r/MensRights26/07/14 01:10 AM
2

The only way I'd really consider marriage is if I found a woman I wanted to have kids with. I can agree with that sentiment. There is an allure to the simple lifestyle, of having a decent house with a fence, good neighbors, a dog, and a happy wife and kids. In fact, there is a pretty big allure to that. The problem is that it's extremely hard to find the right woman to achieve such a lifestyle with. She has to have a similar philosophy and goals to you, she has to be trustworthy and loyal, and s…
/r/MGTOW26/07/14 12:56 AM
2

Honestly, it's getting to the point that from a self-preservation standpoint, it might be best to become a MGTOW (and abstain from sex) or, failing that, get ironclad proof of consent to sex before engaging in it. People always joke about sex contracts, but honestly, you face the choice of getting an awkward signature versus a small risk of being thrown under the next bus.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 08:01 PM
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And, fight back or not, you will be disciplined, thanks to zero tolerance policies...
/r/MensRights24/07/14 04:32 AM
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I wonder how (if?) Western and American societies will correct themselves in response to this trend. I can only hope that we don't go the ultraconservative or religious route, but that is not an impossible scenario. On the other hand, if society does correct itself and make marriage fair again, how many of you gents would quit being MGTOWs?
/r/MGTOW19/07/14 10:40 PM
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Focus on yourself and what you enjoy doing. If women come to you, okay, if not, also okay. You don't need the approval or even understanding of anyone, so anyone who tries to shame you can go fuck themselves.
/r/MGTOW19/07/14 06:42 PM
1

You should add, as long as it works sufficiently well. And you've frankly got a point. If this device gives you more pleasure than a real woman (assuming you account for the possibility of a more pleasant life, the benefits of being in an emotional relationship, the possibility of a nasty breakup, and others) then it is only rational to prefer it.
/r/MensRights17/07/14 12:00 AM
3

Women do have quite a lot of power in the US. It's widely accepted that they control most domestic spending--even while men remain the primary wage earners.
/r/MensRights16/07/14 11:59 PM
3

Live by your own standards, focus on your own goals, follow a reasonable moral code, and if that's not enough for other people, then that's too bad for them. Hail Satan!
/r/MGTOW16/07/14 11:56 PM
2

If men shouldn't discuss or vote on abortion, women shouldn't discuss or vote on war.
/r/MensRights11/07/14 10:49 PM
3

As far as it not being a big deal, in a fashion, it isn't a big deal to walk a bit farther and use a bathroom that's not quite as gorgeous as what you're used to. Human beings have lived through tougher times and if needed, we can live through tough times even now. The problem is the unequal treatment. So, while it may not be a big deal to sit in the back of the bus, if you're being forced to sit in the back of your bus because of your chromosomal makeup or because of where your ancestors came f…
/r/MensRights11/07/14 01:25 AM
1

I completely agree. Weddings are very special occasions and should certainly be large gatherings of family and friends, but the idea of a wedding costing as much as a car, let alone a collection of cars, is absurd. At least a car collection can appreciate.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 08:15 PM
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Having a car collection is a waste of money... but the dude seems to have his stuff in order, and more importantly, his father just died. A good SO would have let him take as much time as he needed to mourn and get over it, and frankly, there are far more destructive ways of mourning than hanging out in a garage with your brother and fixing cars.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 03:11 PM
1

I agree with the first two points, but the last two make me wonder if you have posted this to the wrong subreddit.
/r/MGTOW29/06/14 04:31 PM
2

Walla! Voilà?
/r/MensRights29/06/14 01:11 PM
5

And rightly so! You don't get to break into someone's private room, incapacitate them, and then show them off in public, and then excuse it with, "Oh but it was just a joke"!
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:23 PM
1

Yeah, I was going to say, don't worry, there are plenty of jerk men out there. Remember the recent AskReddit thread about girls' drinks being drugged? Yeah, us XYites have plenty of assholes in our ranks too, no doubt about that.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:22 PM
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Not to derail, but I encountered this cognitive dissonance when I was talking to one of my friends. Like many college aged guys, he has a hobby of drinking heavily, sleeping around, and all that kind of stuff. He also identifies himself as a Catholic, and says that all of those things that he does are sins. Yet, after confessing to them, he turns around and does them again. It's incredible. To believe that something is wrong and to do nothing to stop it or minimize it... I think that's the heigh…
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:05 PM
1

I don't think you're being too shallow. Let's reverse the genders: At the moment, I'm in pretty good shape. I work out and eat right, I don't smoke, and I drink very moderately. Let's suppose I get married. If I quit working out, started to drink and smoke heavily, and resultantly became about twice as heavy as I am now and had a habit of hacking and coughing all over the place, I'd say that my wife would have grounds for divorce. She didn't sign up for this shit, after all.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 11:39 PM
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See, there's value to being tough and stoic, to a point. But once you start to consider that many men in our society have a real problem with calling the fucking doctor when they know they ought to, you start to realize that we've taken it way too far.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 07:08 PM
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I hope you'll excuse me for sidestepping the question, aren't (at least some) men extremely stoic and unemotional by nature, because in my mind, the real issue is that society demands that men be stoic and unemotional and that men who aren't stoic and unemotional are not treated very kindly at all. It's getting better, inch by inch, but I still feel comfortable with saying that if you're a guy, no one gives a damn about your pain, so you might as well not show it, because no one cares.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 07:06 PM
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It's just bizarre that the author's comments seem to be: "Oh, that poor young woman, she just wants to have a home and a lifestyle that someone else kills himself for, and she wants to raise children that she can prevent her benefactor from seeing at a moment's notice." She never once considers that men aren't afraid of settling down, it's just that it fails even the most cursory of cost-benefit analyses. As far as I'm concerned, even as a guy, I can certainly see the allure of a traditional fam…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 07:03 PM
1

Well, the obvious answer is to get off of our collective backsides, but I'm not so sure that's necessary. If you think about it, with the exception of some civil rights related stuff since 9/11, the government has gotten to be far better, fairer, more humane, and more efficient in the past several decades. I mean, we're better off now than we were in the good ol' days when black people didn't have things like the right to vote or to eat with their white friends, and we're damn sure better off th…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 06:55 PM
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The lack of empathy and thinking things through here is really amazing. The author never considers: Why would anyone want to work very hard so that someone else can enjoy a pleasant and happy life? It's rather selfish to want to enjoy a certain all-expenses-paid lifestyle without even talking about what you'll give back in exchange for it. Not wanting to have children is a perfectly legitimate lifestyle decision. There's nothing really alluring to the traditional lifestyle for men. No one can de…
/r/MensRights25/06/14 10:56 AM
1

Women vote more than men and are responsible for more domestic spending than men. So even though most CEOs and politicians are men, women have quite a lot of power in this country, perhaps even more than they realize.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 09:46 PM
2

Dr. Watkins looks a lot like Uncle Phil! (RIP)
/r/MensRights24/06/14 09:44 PM
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There is no situation in which it is prudent, wise, or morally right to violently resist rape, Blue_Shoes. You really can't think of any situation in which it might be wise or prudent or moral to violently resist rape? Really? Not even given that we now have things such as pepperspray and firearms? Not even when there is overwhelming legal precedence to the idea that it's acceptable to defend oneself from rape with force, even deadly force? EDIT: Apart from that, Ms. USA herself is a 4th degree …
/r/MensRights23/06/14 11:39 PM
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What about the Miss USA issue, where one of the candidates or whatever suggested that fighting back is a good response to rape or attempted rape? Wasn't she attacked by some feminists for saying that? In any case, I certainly don't blame people for freezing up when they're raped, and surrender is a perfectly viable response to rape to avoid escalating the situation. On the other hand, there are times when it is prudent, wise, and morally right to violently resist rape.
/r/MensRights23/06/14 10:59 PM
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Sexual assault is any type of sexual contact or behavior that occurs without the explicit consent of the recipient. What a joke. So if I go to kiss a girl, that's sexual assault, because she didn't explicitly consent first. And if it turns out she's alright with kissing, and she slips me the tongue, that's sexual assault, because I didn't consent first. And afterwards, if my hands start to move around a little bit, that's sexual assault, because she didn't explicitly consent first. As the articl…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 10:52 PM
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And how do you get consent from people who don't have smartphones? Not to mention that consensual sex can turn into rape at any time. A somewhat vulgar example is if a couple is having vaginal sex, and the guy decides to go for surprise anal and continues to orgasm despite his partner's protests. That's clearly rape in my mind.
/r/MensRights23/06/14 10:43 PM
2

To combat the whole "men cause all the problems in the world" line as far as left wingers are concerned, all you have to do is to point out that most domestic spending is controlled by women. That means that while men driving pickup trucks and stuff certainly takes its toll on the environment, women are doing their share of damage to the environment too--and then some. Another good strategy is to point out that TV shows and advertising are as unfair to men as they are to women. Women are present…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 10:34 PM
4

He's got a teardrop tattoo. That likely means that he killed someone.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 07:16 AM
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Just point out that some women who are raped experience lubrication, and that a smaller percentage of them experience orgasm. That doesn't mean that they want it or that they like it, it's just an involuntary physical response. In a similar fashion, men often don't have control over what gives them erections.
/r/MensRights21/06/14 11:19 PM
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I think that's a good idea. If she admits guilt in some form in the legal system, it should be pretty easy for the civil court system to take her to the cleaners.
/r/MensRights21/06/14 06:10 PM
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You can immediately respond by saying, "Well, in that case, it seems that black people and Latinos are more violent, so that's why they're imprisoned more frequently."
/r/MensRights20/06/14 04:58 PM
1

I don't blame people for being more attracted to people of this or that race, nor do I blame them for being more attracted to people with this or that amount in my bank account. But you cannot denying that a wealthy white guy will have better dating prospects than a poor black guy, all other things held constant.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 07:59 AM
1

The lack of manners those women experienced made me think of Blanche and a line in the last season of The Golden Girls where she explains to a suitor: “I don’t want to be treated like your equal. No! I want to be treated much better than you.” That should be the ideal all women strive for in life. It’s not only pregnant woman who deserve to be treated with all due deference. It's so absurd and ridiculous. Why, pray tell, should I treat women deferentially on the basis that they're women? It's no…
/r/MensRights18/06/14 12:19 AM
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You forgot wealthy. And white. Those things certainly affect your dating prospects.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 12:14 AM
3

Women often point out that no one is entitled to their bodies or a romantic relationship with them. And you know what? They're damned right. In fact, they're beyond right, if you take the idea to its logical conclusion: no one is entitled to anything from anyone else, not romance, not sex, not protection, not money, nothing. If you want to get these things from people, you have to earn them.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 12:14 AM
1

I'm kind of curious, if OP didn't see who didn't it and there isn't any security camera footage and no witnesses... just what is he supposed to do?
/r/MensRights16/06/14 05:52 AM
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Yeah, it would be one thing if men were expected to be chivalrous to women and got something in return for it, like respect or appreciation, but it's not fair to expect other people to serve you when you give them nothing in return. The author makes so many statements about how men should do the "right thing" and have "good manners" apparently without thinking about why it's considered good manners to pedestalize a certain gender.
/r/MensRights16/06/14 05:46 AM
1

See, this sounds like hyperbole, but the legal standard proposed by the bill is really really rigorous. What's worse is that the bill's damn author doesn't even know what she wants!
/r/MensRights13/06/14 06:07 AM
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I disagree. To me, "pregnant" has a very specific, biological meaning that simply doesn't apply to the male gender. Let's imagine, for a moment, that you used a surrogate mother service for whatever reason. Surely no one would say that your wife/girlfriend/SO is pregnant in that case.
/r/MensRights12/06/14 04:17 AM
2

I'd like to pose a thought experiment. Suppose a woman gives birth, and the child has to be taken into an intensive care unit. Several days pass, and the child is returned to the woman--sans documentation or identification of any sort which might have proven that the child was hers. Wouldn't it be prudent--Hell, wouldn't it just be simple due diligence, for the woman to say, "Hey, how do you know this is mine? Can we run a DNA test real quick to make sure?" Not to mention that one of the things …
/r/MensRights12/06/14 04:08 AM
3

I bet they wouldn't have missed anything in the patdown of a black man.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 08:26 AM
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IIRC, female Nazis, particularly those responsible for genocide, were often given lighter punishments than their male counterparts for similar reasons. Men are expected to not "just follow orders" but apparently if women do, they're not responsible for it.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 08:20 AM
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And he'd pretty much deserve all of that. Because when you sneak up behind someone and try to stab them in the neck, I think that's a bit more than a crime of passion, that's cold-blooded, premeditated murder. What other motivation could you possibly have to attack someone's neck with a knife when they aren't even looking at you, let alone doing anything to you that might be construed as threatening or even rude?
/r/MensRights11/06/14 08:17 AM
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This reminds me of a conversation I once had with an English teacher in high school. We were reading some book set in the 1910s or something, and discussing how hard women had it back then. I pointed out that regardless, women at that time ought to have been grateful to their husbands for earning wages, often by doing work that is dangerous and dirty. The teacher (a woman, of course) said something like, yeah, but who's cleaning your toilet when you get home? Well, for fucks' sakes, who bought t…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 06:20 AM
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I think you're on to something here. Me, I'm not going to defend "evocative language" on an MRA's part while I take issue with statements like "all men are rapists". I mean fuck, if you can defend a statement like "some women are begging to be raped" by interpreting it to mean, "there are some risky behaviors that some women engage in a lot and as a result, some of them are raped" then I can defend a statement like "all men are rapists" by interpreting it to mean, "if you treat all men with the …
/r/MensRights09/06/14 05:02 AM
2

Yeah, it sounds like he's saying, albeit in a very crude and bridge-burning manner, that there are certain behaviors that women choose to engage them that are risky and may increase their chances of being raped. I'm not going to defend a statement like, "some women are begging to be raped", but there is a grain of truth to it. He could have expressed that grain of truth like this, though: ladies, I implore you to be careful with how you dress and how you present yourself, because there are some …
/r/MensRights09/06/14 04:58 AM
4

The sad thing is... the title of this thread could describe almost any war, ever, anywhere.
/r/MensRights07/06/14 05:58 AM
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Or just personalize it. Saying something like, "Well, if I was getting beaten up by a woman, what should I do?" Many will probably respond that you've done something to deserve it, but that's victim blaming, and you can just respond with, "Suppose it was a huge over-reaction, like I forgot to pick up an extra can of whipped cream at the grocery store, and she came at me with a rolling pin. What should I do?"
/r/MensRights28/05/14 08:20 AM
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Imagine if I offered you a job where you pretty much had to do a small amount of cleaning and some cooking, have sex when it pleases you, and in compensation, you get a large cut of my income, you get a lot of decision making power when it comes to career changes, moving, et cetera, and you can get a pension after only a few years of employment. I think that's a far better deal than most of the guys in the Corps get.
/r/MGTOW28/05/14 06:40 AM
2

I wouldn't be so hasty to condemn liberals. Quite a lot of us in the MRM are on the political left (although I am not) and increasingly, left wingers are pro-gun, especially in the younger generation.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 06:12 AM
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This story doesn't make sense... so she was attacked by a knife wielding nut until "blood was flowing down [her] face", she and the assailant were held by a private security guard until the cops came, and then she performed a large presentation later that day? With that said, if this story is true, I think that anyone, man or woman, should try to call the cops if someone is trying to stab someone else. Other than that, if there is the slightest doubt about who the aggressor is, or if there is th…
/r/MensRights22/05/14 03:16 PM
3

If you choose to play football for a living, you understand the risks and you consent to them. Banks' consent to five years in prison was under extreme duress, as he faced 41 to life if he hadn't accepted the plea deal.
/r/MensRights22/05/14 03:26 AM
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What a kangaroo court. What's worse is that the "rape victim" didn't say a word until five months after the encounter. I'd understand if she was silent for five days due to trauma and shame, or perhaps even longer than that, but five months?
/r/MensRights10/05/14 04:24 PM
2

As long as you're not posing any clear threat to them, they'd be legally able to do little more than restrain you until the cops arrive. On the other hand, if you got a severe beatdown, I doubt those responsible for it would be prosecuted very aggressively.
/r/MensRights10/05/14 06:23 AM
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You aren't allowed to use force against human beings who aren't actively threatening you. If he'd swung at her when she was coming at him, I'd have nothing bad to say about that, but he used force against her when she wasn't an immediate and otherwise unavoidable threat to him. I don't support that.
/r/MensRights10/05/14 01:03 AM
10

Milton Friedman helped the US military become an all-volunteer force, for which I am most grateful. Unfortunately, there's always that nagging possibility that, if worst comes to worst, men may be forced to die in combat for the sake of everyone else, aka, women.
/r/MensRights09/05/14 04:35 AM
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One of my friends has an apartment complex of about 25 or so units. The live in handyman has free rent, and in return, he takes care of repairs, maintenance, and some other work. If and when the handyman quits, he does not get 50% of the profits the place generated while he was employed there. I'm not saying that someone who gives up a career to be a homemaker and raise children should get no alimony, but 50% isn't fair.
/r/MGTOW04/05/14 11:43 PM
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You're onto something here. If "Jen" is willing to con her would-be husband so thoroughly, then damn, what is she willing to do to you? Dishonest behavior like this shouldn't be tolerated, so kudos to the OP for doing the difficult but right thing.
/r/MensRights04/05/14 09:35 PM
3

It's not just a thing in the Middle East either. How would you feel if I told you that a major political figure in the US, and probable major 2016 Presidential candidate once said this: Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the…
/r/MensRights30/04/14 01:13 PM
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I feel like this is a case of "the death of one is a tragedy, the deaths of millions is a statistic". It's easy to not care about 680 people, but it's not so easy to not care about three poor, helpless little women who probably haven't done anything wrong. Never mind that men are people too, and that there are probably quite a few among those 680 who don't deserve death.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 01:09 PM
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It’s not a matter of white or black, male or female or any other division which we seek, but a matter of the values we pass along, the legacy we leave, that perpetuates “privilege.” I like this.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 12:23 PM
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The only way a man could know a child was his prior to genetic testing was that his wife was a virgin when they were married/consumated their marriage. Don't tell me that there are cultures and religions that have discouraged pre-marital, or non-monogamous sex for this very reason?
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:21 AM
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It's very hard to get women to sympathize with men in this manner due to simple biology. Maybe we could say something like this. Suppose, in our society, women occasionally had fertilized egg cells implanted into their bodies without their knowledge. The result is that about 98% of all children are born to their biological mothers. The other 2% are carried, birthed, and then supported and nurtured by women who are not their biological mothers. In other words, if a woman is pregnant, there's a 98…
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:15 AM
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Divorcing should not be a go-to option for anyone, since children from split families do not fare as well as children from two-parent families on average. In your case, divorce was perfectly reasonable. Maybe you should tell your kid this little story, when he/she is old enough, so that he/she will understand why things were the way they were.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:09 AM
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Women have a nearly 100% guarantee of raising their own children. For men, no matter what society you live in, what your culture or religion is, and how strong you think your relationship with your wife is, you do not have 100% certainty that you're raising your own kids. There is a countermeasure to this that is cheap and risk-free (unless the would-be father is being cuckolded) and I am surprised that many people are against using it.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:07 AM
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Furthermore, if and when the paternity test shows that the guy is the father, surely the peace of mind and guarantee that he isn't being cuckolded will create a stronger, more trusting family.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:05 AM
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Or maybe, he just wants peace of mind. This is something that's very hard to explain to women, because if a baby comes out of their body, they pretty much know that it's theirs. Men have no such guarantees. If your wife has a child, you can't really know that it's yours unless you get a paternity test.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 11:01 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. There are parts of the country, and the world, with far different standards of morality with respect to female dress than the northeastern United States.
/r/MensRights30/04/14 10:56 AM
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She could even do that, but the way she does it makes her come off as a gigantic jerk. I've got a few hipster friends, and even though the way they dress sometimes befuddles me, I'd never think about calling them pussies or nancyboys because they don't fit into a certain type of masculinity.
/r/MensRights27/04/14 04:02 PM
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Saying, "I'm not into fat women. It's not that they're bad people or anything, I just don't find that body type attractive" is one thing. It's similar to saying, "I'm not into guys who have beards, but aren't powerfully built and into traditionally masculine hobbies". I'd contrast this with, "Fat women are ugly, how can you be so disgusting? Stop chomping on the Snickers bars and hit the gym!" This is similar to calling people "pussies" and "nancyboys". Do you really not get the feeling that Nic…
/r/MensRights27/04/14 03:59 PM
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This is a great place to replace "man" with "black man". I would never expect my black friends to feel guilt or to have to account for the fact that a disproportionate number of the murderers and rapists in the US are black. I therefore am surprised when people expect men to feel guilt or account for things they haven't done.
/r/MensRights27/04/14 02:57 AM
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When I said who cares, I meant, why should a bearded hipster care if he's ruining someone's beard fetish, when that someone expresses her feelings in an utterly rude and unpleasant manner. Imagine if I posted about how fat women at the beach are ruining my bikini fetish, and went on a minor rant about it. Would anyone expect fat women to change their behavior as a result? Or would they instead say, "Wow, this guy is a colossal asshole and I have no desire to accommodate his sexual interests"? Th…
/r/MensRights27/04/14 02:50 AM
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I don't often have a beard and I am not a hipster, but here's my response. YOU GUYS ARE RUINING MY BEARD FETISH. Who cares? I mean seriously, this lady is viciously shaming and insulting people she finds unattractive, and she thinks they're going to try to accommodate her? Fuck that.
/r/MensRights27/04/14 12:14 AM
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Just because women have this power doesn't mean they are all horrible jerks. I certainly don't think that all women are horrible jerks. But some are, and I don't trust them with the power to ruin my life with surprising ease and the sanction of the legal system. I also don't trust myself to see the jerks through my own emotions and infatuations.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 07:48 PM
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I've tried to explain this to my mother a few times. She claims that I'm a misogynist, but I simply think that women, like men, are corrupted by power and that I should do a costs-benefits analysis of marriage. There are definitely benefits to functional marriage. But the risks are huge. Divorce rates are high, and most divorces are initiated by women. Apart from that, if things should go south, I stand a good chance of losing a huge amount of money, not to mention contact with children, and so …
/r/MensRights24/04/14 07:46 PM
3

It kind of makes you wonder how society will correct itself. Will subcultures like Orthodox Judaism, conservative Christianity and Islam, Mormonism, and others prevail simply due to natural selection? I certainly hope not, but on the other hand, I just don't see myself getting married in the near future. I'm not going to go out looking to get married (dating itself is pretty much not worth the trouble) so the only way it'll happen is if the right lady just happens along. On the other hand, more …
/r/MensRights24/04/14 07:42 PM
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And rightly so. Unprofessional, juvenile behavior like this just doesn't fly.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 06:51 PM
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Even if you are right, that doesn't make it okay.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 06:51 PM
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I suspect that a lot of it is racial. Many people, especially in the media and academia, are shocked and angered by a black man who isn't a populist-leftist.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 01:57 AM
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I really like his comments about intellectuals in society. I read it a couple years into my college career, and it explained a lot of the bizarre shit some of my professors like to say.
/r/MensRights24/04/14 01:57 AM
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Just respond, "I've given birth to as many kids as you have". There's also the matter that giving birth is a voluntary affair. There's BC and abortion, and the window of opportunity closes on those things only after a few months. As for the pain of men, what happens if you're called up for a draft? You can skip country and be condemned as a coward, risk extradition, and never see home again, or you can go and risk horrific violent death. The birthing process is no cakewalk, no doubt about that, …
/r/MensRights23/04/14 04:10 PM
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It's just inane to want one thing, to go after it for years and then to realize it's self-destructive, and then suddenly put yourself out there as a mature moral beacon worthy of attention from what you really wanted all along. Isabel should be able to chase bad boys as much as she wants, and then wait for nice guys to come to her, there's no doubt about that. But no one should be surprised when more and more men take a look at her and think to themselves, "Hmm, no thanks."
/r/MensRights22/04/14 09:09 PM
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Here's a breakdown of Vietnam War deaths by gender. Until that gap is addressed, I'm not inclined to give much of a fuck about the wage gap, if it exists.
/r/MensRights19/04/14 06:05 AM
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Here's an album of photos along those lines.
/r/MensRights16/04/14 03:35 PM
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Military/ex-military combat folks: there are groups that have higher statistics of PTSD than you. You need to educate yourself. Let's be fair, it's not nice when people yell at you online. I think I'd prefer it, though, to being in a combat situation.
/r/MensRights16/04/14 02:01 PM
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Not just "women's rights", but women's rights to be free from violence in particular. There are quite frequently discussions on this subreddit where people say things like, "You shouldn't hit women, but you shouldn't hit men either" or "You shouldn't hit women--actually, you shouldn't hit anyone". By and large, we're not against women's rights. We're just for men's rights, too.
/r/MensRights16/04/14 07:00 AM
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Not to mention that women pay more for haircuts because, on average, they have higher standards, more hair to cut, and more complicated desires... For example, if I had to pay the same amount to get a buzz cut as what a woman pays to get dying, layering, and I don't know what else done to her mop, I think that would be rather absurd.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 06:50 PM
2

Stossel had a show, recently, about the so-called War on Women. One of his guests pointed out that women previously paid more for health insurance. Stossel responded that that's because, on average, women use more health care resources. The guest said that that's not fair, and people shouldn't have to pay more for health insurance based on things they can't help. That is a fair and legitimate point, even if you don't necessarily agree with it. So you'd think that when Stossel brought up that he,…
/r/MensRights15/04/14 06:48 PM
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Yeah, I kind of laughed when I noticed that. There are some men's rights guys out there who are socially conservative, but--and I say this as a libertarian--many of us in the reddit men's rights community seem to be moderate or even hard left.
/r/MensRights15/04/14 05:13 PM
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If a man or boy was raped by a woman and police managed to recover some DNA from the woman, I would never expect all women to consent to a mass DNA collection. If the police were to ask women to give their DNA freely, that would be one thing, but to demand it and then consider anyone who doesn't comply as a suspect is a severe civil rights violation. What happened to the young lady is terrible, but that is no justification for civil rights violations.
/r/MensRights13/04/14 06:15 PM
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Screening all white overweight men aged in the 30s is one thing. Screening all men is another thing. Let's put it like this, suppose you were beaten up by someone, and the only thing you knew was that he was a black man, and the cops got DNA from when you drew blood in self defense. Surely you wouldn't expect all black men in the area to submit to DNA screening. And in this case we have two data points, that your attacker was black, and a man. Surely it's even less reasonable to screen half of t…
/r/MensRights13/04/14 05:44 PM
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Well, let's reverse things. Suppose a criminal action took place, and the only thing known about the perpetrator is that she is a woman. So, in response, the local PD does cheek swabs of ALL women in the area. I would say that's a women's rights issue, wouldn't you? After all, the human rights of one gender are being pointedly targeted.
/r/MensRights13/04/14 05:25 PM
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It's a men's rights issue because it's being done, rather pointedly, to men and not women.
/r/MensRights13/04/14 05:20 PM
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This is some fascist shit, though. It's worse than an en masse search, because it's an en masse search of what makes you you. Even worse: the authorities say that anyone who refuses to take part will be considered a suspect. That's like a cop asking you if he can search your house. When you say no, not without a search warrant, he says that your refusal to consent to the search gives him probable cause to search. This is a huge civil rights violation. What good is the right to refuse searches an…
/r/MensRights13/04/14 05:20 PM
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It is a men's rights issue because if he was being bullied by a guy, everyone would be applauding him for finally standing up for himself, as they did to that big Australian kid who bodyslammed the little twerp who provoked him. It's good to see that a lot of the commenters have their heads on straight, but some don't, and that's why it's a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights09/04/14 09:16 PM
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A lot of those quotes are pretty sick. You have to wonder what causes certain people to have such peculiar beliefs.
/r/MensRights07/04/14 07:38 PM
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Or she claims DV and has him evicted. Which, if he has beaten her, is an entirely reasonable and responsible thing to do and for people to support her in doing.
/r/MensRights05/04/14 10:01 PM
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I agree. If you're a good parent, you won't have to teach your child not to rape, or murder, or steal, or lie per se--they won't do it because they'll know it's wrong, and it won't even occur to them to do wrong half the time.
/r/MensRights05/04/14 02:11 AM
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I disagree, there is a libertarian movement within the GOP that's attracting attention, which is really bizarre and shocking. This movement has consequences, by the way. Consider the big libertarian issues these days--war, an overstretched budget, too much defense spending, foreign interventionalism, civil rights abuses--these are at the forefront of public consciousness, and the public seems to largely agree with the libertarian wing of the GOP. I wouldn't write a guy off just he's got an R nex…
/r/MensRights05/04/14 02:03 AM
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Perhaps we can say the following, then: It's not a crime to dress as you wish to. And it's not a crime to have your eyes and thoughts where you wish to.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 05:39 PM
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It's kind of absurd when you wear clothing that's clearly meant to sexualize your body and then you get surprised when people view you in a sexual manner. It's one thing to wear clothing that's comfortable in warm weather, but come on--skin tight denim shorts that barely cover your butt? Am I honestly supposed to believe that people wear these without the intention of appearing sexually attractive? Dave Chappelle has a few interesting comments about this bizarre attitude. NSFW, naturally.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 05:38 PM
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That's another issue. The only way to convince certain people that false rape accusations when they happen--and they do happen, regardless of how frequently or infrequently--are bad is by saying that it damages real victims of rape and those who may someday be raped. As for those who are falsely accused themselves, they seem to get thrown to the wolves, and treated as guilty even when they're legally not, or even when they're obviously innocent.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 01:36 PM
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Rape is a very serious, and a very terrible thing, and when people say they've been raped to get out of a damn exam, they're doing a terrible disservice to people who may someday be raped, and they're insulting people who have been raped in a really unpleasant manner, too.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 12:47 PM
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But some are more equal than others.
/r/MensRights02/04/14 09:03 PM
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So if being on birth control is my condition for consent, I can claim rape/assault if I find out she lied about it afterwards? It would be entirely reasonable and fair if it was so. Alas that it is not.
/r/MensRights01/04/14 12:02 PM
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Most, and I mean the overwhelming majority of them, are ex-military, usually ex-special forces. They've already done the heavy lifting of indoc and training, and they generally become PMCs because it pays better and you have a little more freedom at the same time.
/r/MensRights01/04/14 12:01 PM
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