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1	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Great read! Of course, you should not turn facts into taboo. I were just saying that you should be careful to speculate, because as Michael Jackson once sang, the lie becomes the truth. The part in your post about behaviours in our culture that reinforce your view, are some of the reasons why I call myself a feminist. Writing this here might turn me into the antagonist, but where I'm from (Sweden) the leading movement in criticizing, questioning and trying to change the male gender role is the f…	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 07:41 PM
1	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com No you are not annoying :) Read my answer to the other poster in this thread, especially about the lions and hyenas. We did not live in villages when we evolved. We lived in small hunter gatherer-groups. Did these even wage war? It's not simple math because your basing your reasoning on some kind of mental image of what it was like in the dawn of man, and unless your a biologist or something along those lines I doubt you know enough about it to really start making valid claims about being able t…	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 12:49 PM
1	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com So we mostly agree then. I just want to stress the extent to which it is important to be very careful making assumptions about biologically rooted behaviour. There is a tendency in these discussions to assume "biologically rooted" as "irreversible" or "healthy", and gender is also fluid, people of the same gender show that genders characteristics to different extents. Labelling something as "biological" easily crosses over into prejudice based on gender, as in sexism. And then again, when you sa…	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 12:44 PM
2	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Because men are generally stronger? There may be biological roots to gender roles, but exactly what they are and how they interact with the culture an individual is part of is not something you will have knowledge of just by observing the everyday world around you. That is the point I am trying to push. I brought up in another post the example of a hunter gatherer culture where it is believed that semen has to passed from man to boy, therefore boys give head to men a lot. If this culture where t…	/r/MensRights	04/06/14 12:28 AM
2	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com What does that even mean? "Such a system is by definition asymmetrical"- asymmetrical in what sense? Some of us have a stick and some of us have a hole? Symmetry is a geometrical term, what you are really saying is just that there are differences between the genders. As far as differing roles- what roles do you talk about? The reproductive ones? The fact that one can produce milk and grow babies in it's belly, while the other build muscle more easily? Going from there to arguing that our dating …	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 10:25 PM
1	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Several interesting points about gender roles, but her "theories" on evolutionary traits I think are lacking in that I don't think you can just make up a sensible sounding dynamic and therefore assume that it's reasonable to assume it actually happened- in her specific example, perhaps it was actually crucial for neolithic cultures to make sure not to risk the lives of the male population- unless you have some specific knowledge of this, like, I don't know, having studied behavioural patterns of…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 10:13 PM
3	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com but treating it as an innate quality of biology is absurd, and bluntly sexist towards both men and women? Like assuming biological reasons for seemingly "racial" behaviour without any reason too would obviously be racist? And as far as sexism perpetuated by women against men, sure, might be a side like that to it, but the other side of the coin would be that men are free to pursue women, whereas women are expected to be passive, and might be "punished" when not in the same way as men are "punish…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 09:52 PM
3	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Agreed. An example of sexism in our culture. Not our biology.	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 09:17 PM
–	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Yes. Whenever I see anyone posting about "biological" facts about dynamics between men and women, I tend to disagree. Our concepts are cultural. You can find examples of cultures that acknowledged more than two genders, or cultures that had sexual customs that seem completely absurd to us. So neither of these things are "natural" enough to not randomly be completely different in other human cultures. I don't believe that some single person or group of people can extract, from their own experienc…	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 08:45 PM
–	5 Uncomfortable Truths Behind the Men's Rights Movement -Cracked.com Tell me Piroko, these biological traits of the sexes, how have you come to insight of their existence? By watching men and women around you? And I assume, if that is the case, that you have deep knowledge about male and female behaviour across different cultures and a deep understanding of human biology since you can make such powerful claims about the human race?	/r/MensRights	03/06/14 08:21 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." I don't know what suffrage is. Of course feminism wants to influence who people vote for just as any other ideology. It was just a poorly phrased way to agree with what you said, of course feminism does not want fewer women to vote or women to be poorer. The weak link in your argument was that it seemed based on the assumption "the only thing that determines who makes a political carrier is the voters of the nation". As for the rest, as I wrote, I do not know the facts to argue for either side.	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 08:09 PM
5	These people are complaining about the doctors not allowing the royal baby to choose his gender. WTF? I would say most (at least some) of the tweets are not about the eventuality the child might be transsexual but rather that the child might not want to live up to the male gender role. This is not anti male, it's pro male. And very science, most of the shit ascribed to gender/sex is not scientific, it's cultural. There are plenty of examples of human cultures that has had more than two genders. Realising our view of gender is just as cultural and fluid is the very opposite of religious thinking.	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 07:40 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." I'm do not have a position in the bit you qoute? I was referring to one movements critique of another? I see now that I left out a word that maybe made that sentence difficult to interpret. For your statement to be entirely valid, if I understood it correctly, the only thing determining who was in government would have to be voters, since that's all you are taking into account. Of course feminism does not want to regulate who gets to vote or what they should vote for. The theory is that there is…	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 07:12 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." It's not meant to be macho bragging, I am unafraid because I perceive no threat. I would be terrified if I ended up any kind of fight or crime, I am a completely unviolent person. I've received a lot of answers on my post and have kinda withdrawn my original statement by now, but I felt a need to answer your post just to underline that coming of as macho was absolutely not my intention. EDIT: To clarify, why I perceive no threat is because there is (almost) none where I live and move. I've lived…	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 06:14 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Read along some of the sub threads (correct name?) and you'll find I no longer stand by this statement.	/r/MensRights	23/07/13 06:06 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." (no longer arguing for my original statement here, just continuing the discussion) Well, I think it is important to remember how cultural "attractive" is. Look at how "attractive" men are portrayed during the 1700th century, they look like bleach slightly fat girls. In classical Greece, the female body was considered inferior, and the male body was objectified to the skies. And so forth. We construct "attractive" together, and can thus also change it. Everybody should feel get to feel beautiful,…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 10:08 PM
2	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Yes. It's like raising children the same no matter the colour of their skin? Anything else would be racism right? Same goes with gender based upbringing and sexism. The assumption that there are differences between the genders that would render some kind of differential treatment necessary is an assumption where you place gender before the individual. Even if there are behavioural differences generally between the sexes, these will not be the same in every individual. I mean, in most contexts. Y…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 09:24 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." You know what? The more this discussion goes on with different people in this thread who replied to my first post, I realise I don't really know what I'm talking about. I withdraw my original statement.	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 09:15 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." This post really pisses me of. I'm here discussing, keeping a civil tone, I address what people write to me and revalue my statements, I'm someone committed to gender equality and the destruction of gender roles which in my local surrounding means your a feminist. Here people are committed to these things but hate feminism, I want to find out why since much of our basic values seems to be mutual. Have you even read the rest of my comments when writing this? How the fuck can you jump to these con…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:45 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Having the expectation on you to buy things, to always initiate things, to impress, to be manly enough, all of those are terrible. I have never stated otherwise. Maybe my analysis was shrewd, I were pointing out what gender was mostly in power of the establishments. Wishing only to add to what I guess is a kind of withdrawal, women are also pressured in this situation to comply by a gender role that is also extremely constricting. You would be the hypocrite if you did not consider this?	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:38 PM
2	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Yes and no. Why do boys not attend university? I don't think phenomena like the one I described are irrelevant. But I'm getting into deep waters here, for this I can't really argue. I see your point, simply put. It is more important that boys in the US attend university more than it is that they will not be treated badly if wearing dresses. To switch gender but use the same argument, it is more important that girls in Afghanistan get to go to school then it is that they are not pressured into we…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:27 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Are you talking about me? I am male. I do not hate you. I do consider all of you equals. And talking about "you" in this way is very weird to me. I do not view all of "you" as some kind of hive mind with attributes that apply to every single one of you. Nice of you to just jump to a lot of nasty conclusions about me simply because I have a different view of things. I'm here writing to have meaningful discussions that hopefully gives both me and the people I discuss with something. I am not here …	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:19 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Not comparable. Even if women are privileged in bars/clubs, the people creating that privilege would be mostly men. Then it's really men discriminating men?	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:15 PM
0	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Only women who fit into the female gender role. You could turn your argument into it being an institution rewarding women who act the way men want them too. Try being a fat lesbian with a shaved head and getting into clubs will not be the easiest thing to do.	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:12 PM
-1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." You don't get the point really. What I meant is that it's not viable to criticize an entire ideology with examples of random things in your own life. I don't understand how these "women behaving badly"-posts do anything for mens rights. No feminist is claiming that all women are universally good, a lot of feminists even work against this notion. A common critique within feminism, from queer feminism towards liberal feminism, is that the belief that gender equality within government/leadership of…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 07:09 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." The floral dress is kind of symbolic, tying into what being pushed into the male gender role means in general. In Sweden there are "gender kindergartens", which aim to treat the children the same, no matter their gender. One of these conducted a massive study on themselves, in trying to make apparent the ways they might be failing in this. One thing that got very apparent was how boys were treated with less body contact and when being told to do something, it was not as argumentative as with the…	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 06:58 PM
1	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Yes I do. I mean, in one way, as soon as someone labels me a man they have discriminated me in the sense that they expect things from me because of my gender that if I do not live up I will be less in their eyes. But also on a more structural level. I just think women generally have it worse, but that's a different discussion.	/r/MensRights	22/07/13 06:50 PM
–	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Yes I consider myself a feminist, as do a lot of people around me. Most of these probably fit in to what is referred queer feminism, which I guess can be defined as criticising the norm by not viewing it as a norm any more. Important in queer theory is what is called intersectionalism, which entire point is that everybody have different privileges in different situations, men and women alike. A starting point in my own beliefs is that women should have equal rights, yes. But I hold opinions that…	/r/MensRights	21/07/13 10:10 PM
–	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." Which I think in no way is argued against by most feminists. It's not about who uses their privileges, it's about who has them. A lot of feminism today strives to be conscious about this, as in "I'm a woman which makes me underprivileged in some situations, but I'm white and straight which makes me very privileged in other" for example. A lot of feminism also voices critique against many of the things people here usually bring up. I guess the actual "question" is that MR does not agree with femi…	/r/MensRights	21/07/13 09:33 PM
–	"I'm a girl, we can do that..." This post describes bad behaviour by women. How does this criticize feminism? Anecdotal stories of women behaving badly does not in any way form any kind of argument against feminism, just as anecdotal stories of men behaving badly does not in any way form an argument for feminism. It might be used as such, but it isn't a valid argument. Statistical studies of behaviour linked to gender might be. It is, however, not a valid argument for sexism. And yes, I see how this is a privilege women have a…	/r/MensRights	21/07/13 09:23 PM