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An infant's foreskin requires no complex cleaning. Attempting to retract the developing foreskin for supposed hygienic reasons can injure the boy and put him at serious risk of complications. This is known as PFFR (premature forcible foreskin reraction).
/r/MensRights14/12/18 06:27 PM
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Might you be thinking of Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm (Earp and Steinfeld, 2017)?
/r/MensRights24/11/18 09:51 AM
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Here are some resources you can see for further information. Royal Dutch Medical Association: Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors. May 2010. (PDF). Nordic Association for Clinical Sexology: Statement on Non-Therapeutic Circumcision of Boys. Helsinki. Oct. 2013. (PDF) Taylor, JR. Lockwood, AP. Taylor, AJ. The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision. British Journal of Urology, Vol. 77, Issue 2. Pp. 291-295. Feb. 1996. (NSFW) Cold, CJ. Taylor, JR. The prepuce.…
/r/MensRights21/11/18 11:33 PM
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If you haven't already, you would do well to read this review. (NSFW) It's about ten pages long. There is just an incredible amount of information in it. Share it with your fiancee.
/r/MensRights03/10/18 09:41 AM
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Thank you for being open to learning new information. I'm glad for the opportunity to have had this conversation.
/r/MensRights01/10/18 01:27 AM
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The prepuce is a common anatomical structure of the male [1] and female [2] external genitalia of all human and non-human primates; it has been present in primates for at least 65 million years, and is likely to be over 100 million years old, based on its commonality as an anatomical feature in mammals [3] Certain cultures have excised the prepuce from children to conform to societal standards, while other cultures accept the complete external genitalia as normal (Fig. 1). The motives for circum…
/r/MensRights29/09/18 06:43 PM
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The skin of the genitals is part of the genitals. But on top of that, the male prepuce isn't just skin. Take the time to explore the resources I have shared with you.
/r/MensRights29/09/18 06:34 PM
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the "removal of genetals" is wrong. That's not what a circumcision is. It's just the removal of "some excess skin", right? Wrong. You have been misled. The foreskin is the most specialized sensory tissue of the human penis. This is an anatomical fact demonstrated both by histological studies of its innervation (NSFW) and touch tests on live subjects. The foreskin is a unique, specialized genital structure and includes specific erogenous zones. (NSFW) The misconception that it is "some excess ski…
/r/MensRights29/09/18 06:29 PM
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The downvotes you'ved received here make me think people are misinterpreting this comment.
/r/MensRights29/09/18 06:22 PM
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The condoning of MGM, particularly in an Enlightenment-influenced Western context, rests on a culture of silence and censorship. People minimize how much circumcision is talked about because the more you talk about it, the more anomalous and bizarre it's going to seem, and the more people are going to question it. And people censor information about the anatomy and functions of the foreskin, the psychological motivations and history behind the practice of so-called male "circumcision", and other…
/r/MensRights29/09/18 09:43 AM
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I heard 2 teenage girls in the back verbally say 'yuck'. They're taught to react that way that by pop culture and the falsehoods that ignorant people like your teacher spread. They have no idea of what the male prepuce even is. All they "know" is that it's "yuck"--because they were taught that and had it reinforced over and over agan.
/r/MensRights06/09/18 04:02 PM
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Here is some information that may cause you to reconsider your perspective. Brian Earp and Rebecca Steinfeld: Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm Rebecca Steinfeld: Genital Alteration: Towards More Empirical, Ethical And Effective Policies (NSFW) Royal Dutch Medical Association: Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors. May 2010. PDF.
/r/MensRights29/08/18 06:19 PM
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The reality is that this campaign is based on junk science with the actual goal of defending the institution of circumcision. It has been an absolute disaster on the ground, with NGOs kidnapping children, telling adult men that if they get circumcised they don't need to wear condoms, shaming and attacking men for choosing to remain intact, overtly stigmatizing condom usage, obscuring and obfuscating the true causes of HIV, putting young men under the threat of homelessness, and forcibly destroyi…
/r/MensRights21/08/18 01:00 PM
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Here are some resources you may find useful. Royal Dutch Medical Association: Non-therapeutic circumcision of male minors. May 2010. (PDF). Nordic Association for Clinical Sexology: Statement on Non-Therapeutic Circumcision of Boys. Helsinki. Oct. 2013. (PDF) Taylor, JR. Lockwood, AP. Taylor, AJ. The prepuce: Specialized mucosa of the penis and its loss to circumcision. British Journal of Urology, Vol. 77, Issue 2. Pp. 291-295. Feb. 1996. (NSFW) Cold, CJ. Taylor, JR. The prepuce. British Journal…
/r/MensRights05/08/18 06:54 AM
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If we don't acknowledge that cutting the genitals of everyone is wrong and barbaric, thus saying that men have a right over their body (men have rights in general) then FGM will likely come back. Not even joking. Pro-FGM groups are already using that as an excuse for the legal permission of FGM, and have been for years. The AAP was doing it back in 2010 (they reversed their stance and have since come out against FGM; the public wouldn't tolerate it). "Dawoodi Bohra Women For Religious Freedom" a…
/r/MensRights25/07/18 08:55 AM
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It would also be interesting if Bharadwaj were to do something against male genital mutilation ("circumcision") in India, especially considering the current call to ban clitoral hood incision, which is a religious practice of the Dawoodi Bohra community. Dawoodi Bohra Women for Religious Freedom, a pro-cutting organization, themselves are using the tolerance of male circumcision as an argument for why they should also be allowed to incise girls! The argument put forth by the organisation is that…
/r/MensRights25/07/18 02:21 AM
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I'm tired of that banana image popping up so often in articles on this topic.
/r/MensRights24/07/18 01:59 AM
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Do you know the specifics of the Danish FGM law passed in 2003? Does it prohibit all forms of FGM?
/r/MensRights23/07/18 05:15 AM
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The same penalty has existed since 2003 for the internationally condemned practice of excision, or female genital mutilation. I would imagine the law in Denmark forbids all forms of FGM, even forms less extreme than excision. Any Danes familiar with the law, do feel free to chime in.
/r/MensRights23/07/18 05:13 AM
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History in the making.
/r/MensRights21/07/18 10:36 PM
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Al Ghuweiri added that the claim is based on something that is performed on a daily basis in Jordanian hospitals and medical centres, and one that is seen identical in necessity to cutting the umbilical cord at birth. The male foreskin is an integral part of the penis that evolved over countless generations to function throughout a man's life. The umbilical cord ceases to function shortly after birth. They are profoundly different structures and cannot be equated. The fact that the foreskin is f…
/r/MensRights20/07/18 10:16 PM
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The argument put forth by the organisation is that FC and FGM are two different procedures, and it is a misconception that FGM is prevalent in the Dawoodi Bohra community. It has stated that FC as practised by the Dawoodi Bohra community, is a completely harmless procedure, involving a nick on the prepuce of girls, and it cannot be termed mutilation. “People have interchangeably used the two terms, which are not similar at all in practice. FC is a nick on the prepuce. It is a completely harmless…
/r/MensRights19/07/18 10:13 PM
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And while there's more important things to say about this, I believe that in cases where a surgical intervention into the foreskin is necessary, no functional tissue should be removed. Drs. Cold and Taylor touched on this back in 1999: The complex anatomy and function of the prepuce, along with the fused prepuce/glans penile mucosa in the immature penis, dictates that neonatal circumcision be strictly avoided, as recommended by the Australasian Paediatric surgeons [88], Canadian Paediatric Socie…
/r/MensRights17/07/18 05:44 PM
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There's also the fact that there is a common piece of propaganda that's been repeated for years that "FGM is never a religious practice". Which is an idea that is not even true, and beyond that carries the insinuation that if it were (and in reality, it is, in many cases), it would be acceptable to do to girls without their consent. It's absurd, the level of misinformation in this topic.
/r/MensRights14/07/18 05:04 PM
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Regarding the functions and anatomy of the foreskin, which ties in with genital integrity/intactivism, Cold and Taylor's landmark review The prepuce (British Journal of Urology, Vol. 83, Suppl. 1. Pp: 34-44. Jan 1999) (NSFW) is still one of the best resources.
/r/MensRights11/07/18 08:08 PM
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What a sad and brutal reality this boy has been made to live with. SMH.
/r/MensRights11/07/18 08:01 PM
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There is a considerable and growing body of evidence that males who have been circumcised are more likely to experience chronic genital pain, even years after the ablation. ...a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population. Before circumcision without medical indication, adult men, and parents considering circumcision of their sons, should be informed of the importance of the foreskin in male sexuality. Br…
/r/MensRights09/07/18 03:33 PM
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...circumcision as a medically rationalised procedure is a recent invention, dating from the eighteenth century. Even as a religious ritual, circumcision was practised by only a few tribal societies, mostly living in desert regions: the Semtitic and Hamitic peoples of north and east Africa and the Middle East, and the Aboriginal people of central Australia are the most notable. (1) Therapeutic circumcision was first introduced as a treatment for severe venereal infection of the penis (often caus…
/r/MensRights08/07/18 01:55 PM
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Here are some videos you can check out to learn more about this topic. I shared them already in another comment, but I figured I would go ahead and post the links here too. Note that the following videos may be NSFW! Child Circumcision: an Elephant in the Hospital. In this half hour lecture recorded c. 2011, Professor Ryan McAllister discusses the history of the practice of male circumcision in the U.S., the functions of the foreskin, comparisons of male and female genital cutting practices, and…
/r/MensRights08/07/18 01:38 PM
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Take the time to see Professor Ryan McAllister's presentation Child Circumcision: an Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW)
/r/MensRights08/07/18 01:24 AM
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For example the most recent and widely shared study by Bossio et al, compared the sensitivity of tissue on the forearm, to the sensitivity of the parts of the penis still remaining in a circumcised male. They did not test the fine touch sensitivity of any part of the foreskin tissues commonly ablated by circumcision. In fact, Bossio et al. tested a part of the outer foreskin, and found it was the most fine touch sensitive part of the penis of all the sites they tested. As noted by Rotta: In a st…
/r/MensRights08/07/18 12:01 AM
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That looks interesting. Thanks for sharing it.
/r/MensRights07/07/18 11:45 PM
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Take the time to see Ryan McAllister's presentation Child Circumcision: an Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW) Professor McAllister goes over a lot of the aspects of the topic, including common rationales used to defend the practice of male infant circumcision, the history of the practice in the U.S., the functions of the foreskin, comparisons of male and female genital cutting practices, ethical issues involving informed consent, and more. The presentation is just a hair over half an hour long, bu…
/r/MensRights07/07/18 11:42 PM
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There is a considerable and growing body of evidence that males who have been circumcised are more likely to experience chronic genital pain, even years after the amputation. ...a higher percentage of circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as compared with the uncircumcised population. Before circumcision without medical indication, adult men, and parents considering circumcision of their sons, should be informed of the importance of the foreskin in male sexuality. …
/r/MensRights07/07/18 11:32 PM
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This is a really complex and multi-faceted topic. Here are some resources you can check out to learn more about it. Note that the following videos may be NSFW! Child Circumcision: an Elephant in the Hospital. In this half hour lecture recorded c. 2011, Professor Ryan McAllister discusses the history of the practice of male circumcision in the U.S., the functions of the foreskin, comparisons of male and female genital cutting practices, and more. Cut: Slicing Through the Myths of Circumcision. Ab…
/r/MensRights07/07/18 10:07 PM
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The American Academy of Pediatrics released a position statement on male circumcision back in 2012 (a position statement which by the way has since expired) in which they stated that they "felt" that the "benefits" of circumcision outweighed the "risks". Their position was strongly criticized by much of the international medical community as unjustifiably biased and based on untenable premises: There are no compelling health arguments in favor of circumcision, while it can have serious long-term…
/r/MensRights07/07/18 07:16 PM
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According to Carmack and Milos (2017): ...Physiologic phimosis is the normal state of young boys.9 This finding is characterized by a closed preputial outlet with the inner mucosa of the foreskin beginning to evert through the preputial opening, which is healthy with no scarring. The glans cannot be seen without retraction. This is in contrast to pathologic phimosis, in which the glans and meatus can often be seen, as the scarred ring of the preputial orifice is held open and no mucosa is visibl…
/r/MensRights07/07/18 06:51 PM
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No part of the body comes with a lifetime guarantee against disease. Breasts become cancerous, fingers become arthritic, earlobes develop malignant melanomas. If disease prevention is insufficient justification for amputating fingers, breasts or earlobes, then it is insufficient justification for amputating foreskins. --Arif Bhimji, MD.
/r/MensRights07/07/18 05:34 PM
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Here is some information about the development of the prepuce and the problem of PFFR (premature forcible foreskin retraction). John Geisheker, J.D., LL.M: What Is the Greatest Danger for an Uncircumcised Boy? Morris L. Sorrells, M.D. and G. Hill: The Development of Retractile Foreskin in the Child and Adolescent (PDF)
/r/MensRights07/07/18 05:11 PM
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The glans penis is primarily innervated by free nerve endings and has primarily protopathic sensitivity [43]. Protopathic sensitivity refers to cruder, poorly localized feelings (including pain, some temperature sensations and certain perceptions of mechanical contact) [44]. In the glans penis, encapsulated end-organs are sparse, and found mainly along the glans corona and the frenulum [43]. The only portion of the body with less fine-touch discrimination than the glans penis is the heel of the …
/r/MensRights07/07/18 04:31 PM
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Penile sensitivity did not differ across circumcision status for any stimulus type or penile site. The foreskin of intact men was more sensitive to tactile stimulation than the other penile sites... In Orwell's 1984, what is doublethink? For an in depth critical review of Bossio et al's mess of a "study", see Earp's Infant circumcision and adult penile sensitivity: implications for sexual experience (Trends in Urology and Men's Health, Vol. 7, Issue 4. Pp. 17-21. July/August 2016).
/r/MensRights07/07/18 03:28 PM
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whereas male circumcision is removal of skin Skin, mucosa, specialized sensory structures such as the ridged band, and the majority of the penile dartos muscle. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x (NSFW)
/r/MensRights06/07/18 10:04 AM
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This is an amazing video. Laurie Evans brings up so many important points. I was especially impressed by how she answered the "I've never hear a man complain about sexual problems from having been cut" line that Boteach said. I also found it interesting how she brought up intersex genital cutting towards the end and the point that Intactivism is about protecting everyone from nontherapeutic nonconsensual genital cutting.
/r/MensRights03/07/18 09:58 AM
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Well, with this precedent set, it seems that men may soon be able to enter into civil partnerships with women if they so choose. Previously this hasn't been an option as they could only enter into civil partnerships with other men. But as "Lord Kerr said it was 'salutary to recall that a declaration of incompatibility does not oblige the Government or Parliament to do anything'", maybe not?
/r/MensRights28/06/18 05:17 AM
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Rebecca Steinfeld has done a lot of research and writing regarding the ethical issues of nontherapeutic genital cutting (including so-called "male circumcision"). I'd encourage looking into her body of work.
/r/MensRights28/06/18 05:16 AM
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The case involves a 2013 incident when Willis took her 18-day-old boy to Life Cycle for a circumcision that Jones—a certified nurse midwife—performed using a hinged metal device known as a Mogen clamp. The Mogen Clamp is notorious for this kind of injury. Melanie Hall did not think she was putting her week-old son at risk when she brought him to a Los Angeles doctor to be circumcised. But after a nurse took the baby into an examining room, something went terribly wrong. "I heard a scream, an exc…
/r/MensRights26/06/18 12:21 AM
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Yep.
/r/MensRights26/06/18 12:08 AM
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The situation in the US isn't like the UK, where as far as I know even in infant circumcision's heyday it never got much above 30% or thereabouts. In the US it was nearly universal in many parts of the country, and based on the most recent figures I've seen (which are admittedly around 8 years out of date) the infant circumcision rate in parts of the country like Michigan and West Virginia is over 80%. Here is a page with some figures. This is the most recent data I could find.
/r/MensRights26/06/18 12:06 AM
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That sounds believable with regard to the infant circumcision rate on a national level. But American men born in the 1900's, especially in the 50's, 60's, and 70's are much more likely to have been cut than those boys born just in the past few years.
/r/MensRights26/06/18 12:02 AM
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Those are stats for the hospital circumcision rate of infants, not the number of men in the US who have been circumcised. You could theoretically have a neonatal circumcision rate of 0% but still have a lot of men who'd had their foreskins removed before that rate went to 0.
/r/MensRights26/06/18 12:01 AM
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I think you have really misinterpreted my point. At no point did I claim that the Meissner's corpuscles of the prepuce were the only ones necessary for the "proper wide array of the arc-reflex reaction" to occur. This appears to be a bizarre strawman. I mentioned the Meissner's corpuscle by name because the majority of corpuscular nerve endings in the prepuce are Meissner's corpuscles. The way the innervation of the external genitalia influence the copulatory reflexes is not fully understood. If…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 05:27 AM
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I read your comment and the sources I have cited. The prepuce contains corpuscular nerve endings of varying types. The predominant type of corpuscular nerve ending in the prepuce is the Meissner's corpuscle, which is a specialized sensory end organ that responds to fine stimuli such as gentle touch, movement and stretch. Precisely how the sensory innervation of the external genitalia, including the prepuce, influences the sexual reflexes is not fully understood, but research shows that stimulati…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 05:18 AM
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Meissner's corpuscles serve to sense gentle touch. They are the predominant corpuscular nerve ending in the foreskin, although other types of corpuscular nerve endings are found in the foreskin as well. According to Cold and Taylor (1999) (NSFW Article): ...The unique innervation of the prepuce establishes its function as an erogenous tissue [8]. ... Although the sensory and autonomic innervation of the penis and clitoris are similar, there is a remarkable difference in their encapsulated somato…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 04:53 AM
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I think it's very possible. Circumcision rates were very high for the Baby Boomer and Generation X cohorts. Rates of infants who are getting cut after just being born now, on a national level are likely nowhere near 75%. But most men alive today in the US were born in the mid to late 20th century when circumcision rates were higher.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 02:11 AM
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Just because someone is a woman doesn't mean they don't know a lot about the male body or ethical issues involved with nontherapeutic genital cutting of boys and men. Marilyn Milos, Adrienne Carmack, Rebecca Steinfeld, and many other women know more about this issue than a lot of men do. Milos especially is going to be recorded in history as a hero, a pioneer of the intactivist movement, and a brave and steadfast defender of human rights.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 02:08 AM
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Unfortunately, some intact males don't really grasp the concept that the foreskin is where a considerable amount of their genital sensory tissue is. Pop culture tends to give the impression that the glans is the primary source of sensual pleasure for a man and the most sensitive part of the penis, and at best that the foreskin is like a "protective covering" for the glans. The reality is that the foreskin itself (including the frenulum and the ridged band) is richly-innervated erogenous tissue i…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 01:58 AM
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That quote is not from Voltaire.
/r/MensRights22/06/18 12:26 AM
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There is also a fairly similar case going on in Uganda.
/r/MensRights18/06/18 08:09 AM
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"Socialism is when the government does stuff. The more stuff it does, the more socialister it is." -Noah Chonksies
/r/MensRights16/06/18 06:07 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/MensRights14/06/18 11:50 PM
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I don't think she's referring to sex-segregated bicycle lanes, but rather just bicycle lanes, segregated from cars.
/r/MensRights14/06/18 11:47 PM
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Ditto.
/r/MensRights13/06/18 07:24 AM
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Here's some, uh, "literature" of Osserman's: On The Foreskin Question I found it to be an absurdly verbose and uninspiring slog, full of psychobabble and innuendos. He writes a lot, but says very little. The article concludes with a spectacular Opposition to circumcision today is symptomatic of the profound anxiety brought on by the particular configuration of authority experienced under late capitalism. To quote a skeptical urologist, intactivists “are fighting much larger demons.” The real que…
/r/MensRights13/06/18 07:19 AM
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Excerpt: In 1906, a morals campaigner, R H W Bligh, wrote to the Secretary of Education urging circumcision for boys in state care who masturbated. It was already standard practice. OBJECTS: Promoting-- i. Purity among Men and Boys ii. A Chivalrous Respect for Womanhood iii. The Preservation of the Young from Contamination iv. A Higher Tone of Public Opinion ... Wow, these rationales for MGM sound so much like some of those I've heard for a certain other practice: so-called female "circumcision"…
/r/MensRights13/06/18 03:24 AM
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It almost seems like your post fits in better here than it did in my thread (Although it was fine there too). Kind of uncanny how that worked out!
/r/MensRights13/06/18 03:05 AM
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In an interview with Mike Buchanan, Nick Kusturis (who was cut at 18, then later "restored") said he prefers the term glans re-covering to avoid any confusion. He is emphatic that while he found growing his remaining skin via tissue expansion to cover his glans to be helpful for him, it is nowhere near the same thing as having an intact foreskin.
/r/MensRights13/06/18 02:44 AM
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Neither the clitoral hood nor the male prepuce can be accurately described as "useless pieces of skin". In the adult male, the prepuce comprises about 15 square inches of tissue in surface area, (Earp and Steinfeld, 2017) which is about the same size as a 3" by 5" index card. The region where the inner prepuce transitions into the outer prepuce, which is the most sensitive zone of the penis, (Sorrels et al, 2007) includes a band of rugose mucocutaneous tissue called the ridged band. In the ridge…
/r/MensRights07/06/18 09:05 PM
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That bit about the baby corpse in the bag left decaying there since possibly the early 1990's was particularly disturbing to me. It's straight out of a horror film. Of course the entire situation is just awful.
/r/MensRights07/06/18 03:56 AM
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Part 2
/r/MensRights06/06/18 02:30 AM
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male circumcision as practiced in the U.S. results in an average loss of approximately 30 to 50 square centimeters of erogenous tissue in the adult organ (Cold & Taylor, 1999; Kigozi et al., 2009; Werker, Terng, & Kon, 1998) http://euromind.global/en/brian-d-earp-and-rebecca-steinfeld/
/r/MensRights05/06/18 03:57 PM
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It's a video of Rebecca Steinfeld giving a presentation on the many parallels between male and female genital cutting and the fact that drawing policy distinctions (not just speaking regarding the law) based on the sex of the person being cut don't make sense.
/r/MensRights05/06/18 03:45 PM
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I see protecting people of both sexes from nonconsensual nontherapeutic genital cutting as part of a single over-arching ethical discourse. Also, a lot of the defense of so-called male circumcision rests on a web of claims regarding so-called female circumcision (that you "can't compare" them because "x, y, and z apply to female genital cutting", except in many cases x, y, and z also apply to male genital cutting, and the person making the xyz argument either doesn't know that, or is disingenuou…
/r/MensRights05/06/18 01:34 PM
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Excerpts: While it is seemingly only the hierarchy of respect afforded among Xhosa males, it is actually also their value in the eyes of Xhosa women that makes them desire to go through traditional initiation. Xhosa women overtly state that they neither desire nor get into relationships with Xhosa males who have not gone through ulwaluko. And historically, it was a taboo to have a child with a traditionally uninitiated Xhosa male, and rural Xhosa women reinforced this ideal to their daughters. I…
/r/MensRights04/06/18 05:38 PM
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Furthermore, during circumcision, only men are allowed to witness the process with mothers and sisters seeing their circumcised kin only after they have fully healed and released from seclusion. During the seclution period, the initiates stay in the forest inside temporary structures called Itumbi or Idumi, and taught the values of their culture. The strange thing is when one initiates dies during the seclusion period, he is taken home and his remains buried in the middle of the night. Again, no…
/r/MensRights04/06/18 05:32 PM
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Not only that, but at the beginning of the podcast, they frame this as a matter of "facts versus foreskins". It's beyond absurd. Also, the study Caroline Pukall discussed when she was interviewed for the podcast is Examining Penile Sensitivity in Neonatally Circumcised and Intact Men Using Quantitative Sensory Testing. (Bossio, JA. Pukall, CF. Steele, SS. Journal of Urology, Vol. 195, No. 6: Pp. 1848-53. June 2016) That so-called study was rife with methodological and conceptual errors. The bioe…
/r/MensRights03/06/18 09:01 PM
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I think it's super weird that in many countries, children of one sex have all their genital tissue specifically legally protected by statutes, whereas children of the other sex can have the most sensitive parts of their genitals destroyed before they can verbally offer or withhold consent or defend themselves.
/r/MensRights03/06/18 04:39 AM
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It seems clear that this is not the same case as the recent one in Uganda, (NSFW) although many of the circumstances are similar.
/r/MensRights03/06/18 03:11 AM
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Cool beans.
/r/MensRights03/06/18 12:39 AM
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You may find this an interesting read
/r/MensRights02/06/18 06:05 AM
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Skin isn't the only part of the penis that gets ablated by so-called male circumcision. Preputial mucosa, the penile dartos muscle, and specific erogenous zones such as the ridged band, frenulum, and frenular delta are also placed "on the chopping block", so to speak.
/r/MensRights01/06/18 09:22 PM
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u/Itisme129 asked the following, verbatim: Chopping part of a baby's dick off isn't genital mutilation?! The prepuce is an actual part of the penis. So-called "male circumcision", when performed on an infant, is in fact the removal of part of the infant's penis, or more crudely put, cutting "part of a baby's dick off". The idea that the prepuce is not a legitimate part of the penis, that it is some nebulous "extra skin hanging off the end", as the line often goes, is not the case in fact. If you…
/r/MensRights01/06/18 09:07 PM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/MensRights01/06/18 04:47 PM
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Here are some resources you can check out. http://www.cirp.org/library/pain/taddio2/ https://epublications.bond.edu.au/hss_pubs/114/ http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/ http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/cansever/
/r/MensRights01/06/18 04:42 PM
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np!
/r/MensRights01/06/18 04:30 PM
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Here is a presentation on the topic that is very informative (NSFW)
/r/MensRights01/06/18 04:26 PM
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You are correct that a great many "circumcised" women support FGC, even in cases where the cutting has been relatively extreme. Many of them say, essentially, "I'm cut and I'm fine". Simply stimulating the area around the surgical site produces waves of sensations that result in orgasm...My usual response to friendly cynics is to point out that I have not experienced any change, either elimination or reduction, in sexual response following my own initiation. Thus, if there has been any nerve dam…
/r/MensRights01/06/18 04:15 PM
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it was just a prank smh
/r/MensRights30/05/18 10:05 PM
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Seems to me that your own religious freedom has been interfered with.
/r/MensRights28/05/18 06:09 PM
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The idea that the "benefits" of circumcision outweigh the "risks" was the contention of the American Academy of Pediatrics's expired 2012 position on male circumcision, which was strongly criticized by much of the international medical community as unjustifiably biased and based on untenable and self-contradictory premises: There are no compelling health arguments in favor of circumcision, while it can have serious long-term urological, psychological and sexual consequences. And performing medic…
/r/MensRights28/05/18 05:51 PM
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It's sad when family relationships break down like this.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 02:45 AM
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Look up Richard Shweder.
/r/MensRights21/05/18 05:28 PM
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What was the comment?
/r/MensRights21/05/18 03:00 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 10:35 AM
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I am glad to hear more discussion on this topic. Thanks for making this thread. I should say that the Middle East is more of a region; to call it a "nation" isn't exactly accurate and would lead to people calling you ignorant for using the wrong term, and they would use this to distract from the actual point of the message. It would dilute the power of the message by giving people something easy to pick at.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 10:24 AM
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You're very welcome. You may also be interested in this video of one of the review's authors discussing the topic.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 08:34 AM
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[T]he degree of harmfulness of childhood NGC is a function of numerous interacting variables, such as the level of invasiveness of the intervention, the skill of the practitioner, the cutting instruments used and whether or not they have been sterilized, the type and extent of the genital tissue that is altered or removed, what the material circumstances of the procedure are, at what age the procedure is carried out, whether or not there is cooperation from the child, what the child has been led…
/r/MensRights20/05/18 08:29 AM
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With stuff like this, it's hard to even know where to begin with regard to what to say.
/r/MensRights19/05/18 06:51 PM
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The flesh trade isn't as elusive as people might think. Like porn, human body parts are easily available online for the right price. The Coriell Institute is only one of dozens of websites that offer foreskin fibroblast for sale. On its website, I put a foreskin fibroblast in a shopping cart and called its office, where a perky customer representative informed me that I can buy the flakes for a cost of $85.00 -- plus shipping and handling. In the end, I didn't buy, but it surprised me to find ou…
/r/MensRights19/05/18 07:29 AM
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Corruption in India is out of control
/r/MensRights18/05/18 10:01 AM
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Is there even a shred of well-documented, credible evidence that this works, or is this simply a company appealing to its customers' sadism plus the placebo effect?
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:38 PM
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Nevermind, I looked it up. It's Ellen Degeneres. Laughing about using the stolen genital tissue of male children to manufacture cosmetics.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:34 PM
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They don't see males as ends-in-themselves. They see them as a resource to be exploited.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:32 PM
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It's a real thing. https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6308104/sandra-bullock-penis-facials-stays-young/
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:30 PM
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Who's that over on the right?
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:25 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 05:08 PM
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Is your reference to "Karen" a reference to some specific person called Karen, or were you just using it as a generic name?
/r/MensRights17/05/18 12:43 PM
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“All that’s happening is that excess skin is being removed, not flesh. The foreskin is not "excess skin" (NSFW)
/r/MensRights17/05/18 11:33 AM
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The practice of circumcision was recently banned in both Denmark and Germany and while Iceland had planned to follow suit, the Bill was dismissed by Parliament. I don't believe this is accurate. If I recall correctly, the German ban only covered part of Germany and was swiftly reversed, and I have not heard of any ban in Denmark actually coming to fruition.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 11:30 AM
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This honestly seems like a version of human trophy taking.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 11:19 AM
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No, she isn't. But the article is.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 08:20 AM
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Article is in Danish. If someone could translate into English it would be much appreciated.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 06:31 AM
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What a hateful thing to say. Hopefully she reconsiders her perspective.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 10:22 PM
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Every little bit makes a difference. If a person boycotts a site that doesn't agree 100% with their perspective, including the parts that 90+% do agree with it, it seems to me they're shooting themselves in the foot for the sake of purity over pragmatism. That's their call, but it's my call to say I think it's counterproductive.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 09:35 PM
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Did you read the article?
/r/MensRights15/05/18 09:33 PM
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I know some people on this subreddit have a problem with the Good Men Project, and many prefer to visit archives of sites that they dislike or disagree with. However, at least in cases like this, I don't agree with that practice, and deliberately decided to link to a live, rather than archived version of the article. I do not think it's a bad article. It's a remarkable article that merits reading, and the author deserves to know that people are interested in reading her work. Beyond that, if eve…
/r/MensRights15/05/18 11:15 AM
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Looks like a Malaysian site.
/r/MensRights14/05/18 08:47 AM
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Let's see her take a pay cut and donate it to the millions of workers living paycheck to paycheck who make her life of luxury possible.
/r/MensRights14/05/18 02:10 AM
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Good observation. It's also worth mentioning that the term comes from the 1999 film The Matrix.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 01:50 AM
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And we didn't even bother calling the organizations like Brothers United for Future Foreskins (BUFF), National Organization of Restoring Men (NORM), and RECover a Penis (RECAP) that encourage men who might "feel victimized by the unnecessary loss of their natural anatomical wholeness," as Joseph Zoske writes in Journal of Men's Studies (1998), to undergo penile reconstructive surgery to "correct" the circumcised penis. Such procedures (involving either attaching a new flap or pulling the remaini…
/r/MensRights12/05/18 02:21 PM
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Hear, hear. I'm interested in learning more about this case when the information becomes available.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 01:58 PM
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Boys are seen as even less worthy of consideration than girls (not absolutely always, but in many contexts, particularly in the West). A vlogger on Youtube, Michelle, made a video about this recently, though she was speaking in the context of genital cutting.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 01:36 PM
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Children aren't seen as human in the way that adults are. They're treated with a degree of irreverence that makes striking them okay in some peoples' minds, whereas many of those same people would be aghast at the same being done to an adult. Spanking would be considered battery if a husband did it to his wife to "discipline" her. Even if he did it "without anger" to "center her" or whatever excuse. Even if she "wasn't listening" or was "being irrational and misbehaving". It would be considered …
/r/MensRights12/05/18 01:24 PM
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Yeah, apparently that happens a lot. https://www.notkristenbell.com/about
/r/MensRights12/05/18 01:56 AM
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Would you feel the same if this had been an incident of a Middle Eastern man assaulting a group of white women because he thought they looked at him wrong?
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:06 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:34 PM
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Yeah, they're still around, mostly but not exclusively in the South. Unfortunately they were rated as one of the worst companies in the US to work for.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 01:23 AM
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It sure does. I see that as totally unwarranted in this case, but you obviously don't agree.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 01:15 AM
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Free speech includes the freedom to critique the way people use language.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 01:07 AM
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It's all rather objectifying and sick. It's like seeing a male infant only as a means to sexual gratification of future women, and not a morally relevant creature in himself. It's sad how some people can be so blind. Beyond that it's not even true. A large scale Danish study found that women with cut partners are more likely to experience frequent orgasm difficulties and frequent painful sex. The study also found that intact males were not significantly more likely to be premature ejaculators. T…
/r/MensRights10/05/18 02:40 AM
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I don't entirely agree. Outside of boy-and-girl cutting cultures virtually nobody talks about "uncircumcised women". It's not a thing and it would be bizarre to refer to a woman as "uncircumcised". The same should apply to males. Language shapes our understanding of a situation. I see your point too but I honestly do think this is a case where it does make a difference. Language is very powerful and frames the discussion.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 02:31 AM
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An unidentified father who was resistant to psychological care for his nine-year-old son after he had been raped, was quoted by the journal as saying: “He neither lost a hymen nor will get pregnant. He should behave like a man, not a sissy.” To say such a thing about anyone, let alone his own son! Very sad.
/r/MensRights08/05/18 11:35 PM
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I couldn't get through the entire video. Xiaxue's avalanche of dangerous, destructive, misandrist myths wore down on me too much by about 10 minutes in.
/r/MensRights08/05/18 07:29 PM
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Quite literally everyone I've ever seen who says "you can't compare male circumcision and FGM; they're nothing alike" seems to have done little to no in-depth research on the topic, or if they have they gloss over the parts that don't fit their narrative. No girl with a clit will ever say "I don't want my clit" Actually, the Sierra Leonean-American anthropologist Fuambai Ahmadu voluntarily agreed to have the head of her clitoris and her labia excised as part of her initiation into the woman-led …
/r/MensRights08/05/18 07:18 PM
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For the record, the movie he's talking about early on in the video, Bad Moms, features the actress Kristen Bell. Kirsten Bell is an anthropologist and the author of Genital Cutting and Western Discourses on Sexuality (Medical Anthropology Quarterly, Vol. 19, No. 2: pp 125-148, June 2005).
/r/MensRights07/05/18 07:26 AM
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This seems like an attempt at satire to me.
/r/MensRights07/05/18 05:52 AM
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Thanks for posting Cold and Taylor's review. It's an incredible resource.
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 05:31 AM
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Thank you for sharing this valuable information.
/r/MensRights07/05/18 05:19 AM
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I’m uncut and my experience is that sex is still dull and I don’t have much feeling at the head. The head of the penis isn't anywhere near the most sensitive part, and it becomes even less sensitive upon erection. Almost all the nerve endings in the head per se are pain-sensitive free nerve endings. The most sensual parts of the penis are the muco-cutaneous tissues of the foreskin, like the ridged band and the frenular delta, which are sensitive to very light, gentle touch and stretch, due to th…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 04:52 AM
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The thing that pisses me off about this whole thing is that something like 80% of baby boys are circumsized in the west, yet mainstream culture is freaking out over FGM which almost never happens in western society. In the West as a whole (including Canada, Europe, Latin America, and Australia and New Zealand which are culturally if not geographically part of the West) it's significantly less common. The US is in fact the only Western country that still circumcises the majority of its infant boy…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 04:43 AM
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There are many, many references, including many in the medical literature, referring to so-called male "circumcision" as the amputation of the foreskin, dating from at least the 1800's all the way till recently. It is a form of amputation and is commonly referred to that way. There are also many references to amputated ears, amputated noses, amputated clitorises, and so on. This is not uncommon.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 03:05 PM
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At Merriam-Webster.com, the definition for "amputate" reads to remove by or as if by cutting; especially : to cut (a part, such as a limb) from the body It says "a part, such as a limb". Nowhere does it say that the part that gets cut off must be a limb. One could "amputate" someone's nose, someone's finger, or someone's ear. Additionally, there is considerable precedence for using the term with reference to cutting off foreskins--even by the AAP. There are three methods of circumcision that are…
/r/MensRights06/05/18 04:42 AM
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One more positive medical effect of circumcision is that penile cancer is found only in men who previously did not have circumcision. Wrong.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 04:18 AM
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I think he's trying to make some kind of joke or something.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 03:40 AM
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The manager for this program is blatantly discouraging and stigmatizing condom usage, painting circumcision as a viable alternative to condoms, and then throwing in a token "of course you should wear a condom anyway" line. I get that his job depends on pushing MGM, but it's still unconscionable. The 60% Reduction claim is the supposed relative, not absolute reduction, which would in fact only be about 2%. But even then the studies that figure is based on suffered from considerable methodological…
/r/MensRights06/05/18 03:38 AM
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It really isn't. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/utter?s=t utter2 [uht-er] adjective complete; total; absolute: her utter abandonment to grief. unconditional; unqualified: an utter denial. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/udder?s=t udder [uhd-er] noun a mamma or mammary gland, especially when baggy and with more than one teat, as in cows.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 03:16 AM
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An udder is the part of a cow that the teats come out of. In this context, utter, meaning total, is the correct word.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 03:12 AM
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This is a sort of long article. Still worth taking the time to read.
/r/MensRights06/05/18 01:25 AM
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There are many forms of both FGM and MGM, and gender isn't a good proxy for the actual degree of harmfulness involved. Professor Brian Earp and Dr. Rebecca Steinfeld recently had an article relating to this topic published called Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm. Take the time to read it. It's a well-written, well-referenced work with a lot of good info.
/r/MensRights05/05/18 11:47 PM
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Seems like you're referring to the Plastibell method. (NSFW) This is by no means the only common method of infant foreskin ablation (the Gomco clamp method is still frequently employed), it still involves literally cutting off preputial tissue, the baby is still forcibly and repeatedly penetrated by a circumcision probe to shred apart the balanopreputial lamina that fuses his immature foreskin and glans, and highly specialized sensory tissue is still irrecoverably destroyed. I don't see how the …
/r/MensRights05/05/18 02:06 AM
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Actually there are women who have reported issues with chronic pain and sexual dysfunction after labia reduction (NSFW) I was obsessed with the look of my large labia to an unhealthy degree from the age of 13. I thought at this impressionable age labiaplasty would be a miracle cure, I didn't understand nor did any doctors explain to me about precious nerves and the psychological impact of surgery. I needed to see a psychologist not a surgeon. At 15 I was told it would be simple to remove 'excess…
/r/MensRights05/05/18 01:14 AM
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There has got to be some actual term for this type of phenomenon, beyond just "irony". It's a notable enough kind of thing that it should have a name.
/r/MensRights04/05/18 01:10 AM
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"I've never heard a man complain about having been circumcised", some say. Well maybe more would have if men who spoke up weren't gaslit, shamed into silence, and censored.
/r/MensRights03/05/18 10:26 PM
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Warning, there is an image at the top of the article that readers may find disturbing.
/r/MensRights30/04/18 05:52 AM
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But the nurse made a medical decision to prevent an infection It was not "a medical decision to prevent an infection". From reading the original article it appears it was an attempt to catheterize the boy to collect a urine sample by a nurse who apparently did not know how to do that properly. When catheterization is being performed for the purpose of collecting a urine specimen, the foreskin should also not be forcibly retracted. In both boys with an intact prepuce and girls, the initial urine …
/r/MensRights30/04/18 03:35 AM
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The nurse made a medical decision to prevent an infection Forced retraction does not prevent infections; it causes them. the skin will heal if microtears happen Actually the microtears can lead to pathological phimosis which can later lead to the necessity for surgical intervention. This is not a small deal. Forced retraction is malpractice, and it harms countless boys every year. If the nurse forcibly retracted Leon's foreskin, she injured him and put him at serious risk of further problems. Th…
/r/MensRights30/04/18 03:31 AM
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The foreskin of an infant or young child is normally fused to the head of the penis, similar to how the fingernails are fused to the nail beds. This is a normal and beneficial developmental stage and not a sign of a disorder in pediatric patients. Attempts to forcibly retract an infant or child's foreskin are misguided and present a serious hazard to his health. "The foreskin should not be retracted for cleaning until the foreskin has naturally separated and the child can do this himself. In fac…
/r/MensRights30/04/18 01:46 AM
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How can it be a "selfie" if someone else is taking the picture?
/r/MensRights30/04/18 12:00 AM
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Not even Mr Gunnarsson is sure whether it will pass in its current form. Muslims pray at the Reykjavik mosque Credit: Egill Bjarnason He is particularly anxious to dispel claims that the bill, which uses the same wording as a 2005 ban on female genital mutilation, has anti-semitic undertones. “It is theoretically the same issue [as FGM], but I do not for a minute doubt the intentions of Muslim and Jewish parents, which I know are good intentions,” he says. “It is not comparable to female genital…
/r/MensRights29/04/18 07:18 PM
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The amount of self-hatred involved with programs like this is really sad.
/r/MensRights28/04/18 10:06 PM
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He goes on to contend/imply something along the lines of how that's different because women are a minority group and men have more power, so when girls get cut it's the patriarchy doing it and that's bad. I'm paraphrasing here.
/r/MensRights28/04/18 08:08 PM
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Absolutely horrendous. RIP Anthony.
/r/MensRights27/04/18 08:28 PM
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"Caring about babies is not an antisemitic position!" -Norm Cohen, 1995
/r/MensRights27/04/18 12:31 AM
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This is discrimination. I wonder if it's illegal in the Philippines.
/r/MensRights25/04/18 07:46 PM
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The opposition Social Democrats and the populist Danish People's Party have both come out in opposition to the ban. The Liberal Alliance and the Conservative party plan to give their MPs a free vote. The Socialist People’s Party (SF) is the only party which is requiring its MPs to vote in favour. “We think it’s very simple,” SF health spokesperson Kirsten Normann Andersen said earlier this month. “We had no problems deciding to forbid female circumcision, we had no problem scrapping the right fo…
/r/MensRights25/04/18 03:13 AM
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I've seen it defended with "babies don't feel pain" and "even if they did they don't remember it".
/r/MensRights24/04/18 10:48 PM
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I suggest reading the article before commenting.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 11:01 PM
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The words themselves even seem vaguely similar.
/r/MensRights22/04/18 06:45 PM
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The WHO is actually notoriously biased in favor of so-called male "circumcision". As Ronald Goldman, Ph.D noted, The 2007 recommendation of circumcision for preventing HIV transmission occurred at an event organised by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/Aids (UNAids). The recommendation process was controlled by circumcision advocates who did not allow open debate. Organisations like WHO and UNAids are controlled by money from the U.S. government and …
/r/MensRights20/04/18 08:50 PM
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Defence barrister Richard Smith told the jury Wallace had previously reported Van Dongen to police as a result of their volatile relationship. Smith said: “It is understandable when you see someone covered in acid running from a building, you can understand that looks like a victim. It might not be all that it seems.” By pouring the acid into the glass Van Dongen became “the author of his own misfortune”, he said. I'm curious as to what evidence the defense has to back up the idea that it was Va…
/r/MensRights20/04/18 04:50 PM
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Women are frequently the cutters of the genitals of young girls, in cultures that cut the youth of both sexes (cultures that cut only girls' genitalia seem not to exist). Is FGM suddenly no longer a women's rights issue?
/r/MensRights18/04/18 01:32 AM
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But he doesn’t like it being called “mutilation”, because that’s “a description completely disproportionate to the small incision that takes only a few seconds, heals within hours, and has no serious consequences”. So-called male "circumcision" involves excision, not just incision. Incision is cutting into someone's body without removing a substantial amount of tissue. Excision is cutting off part of their body, as what occurs when the foreskin (which would grow into about fifteen square inches …
/r/MensRights17/04/18 12:40 PM
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I don't really see this as body-shaming.
/r/MensRights16/04/18 07:40 PM
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Arguably, circumcision is on a par with FGM type IV in terms of harm. In fact, many forms of FGM type IV are less extreme as common forms of male "circumcision". To put this in perspective, pricking a girl's clitoral hood without even drawing blood is a common form of FGM type IV. Yet in cases like this, no tissue is actually removed. Contrast this with so-called male "circumcision" which entails the ablation of a considerable amount of penile tissue, including the ridged band.
/r/MensRights16/04/18 05:18 PM
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On certain subreddits, I've found I get downvoted within seconds of having posted anything; far too short periods of time for someone to have actually read my posts. Some of these groups have some rule where if you get downvoted you can't reply for some period of time; you get a little message saying "you are doing that too much" or something along those lines. It's clear that this is an attempt to control the scope of discussion and maintain an echo chamber.
/r/MensRights16/04/18 12:13 PM
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His argument that his parents were holocaust survivors, implying that they should be able to do what they want to baby genitals, does not hold up. I believe the statement regarding parents who survived the Holocaust was made by the intactivist protestor, not the man attacking him. It was in response to the question "Did you come from Germany?". It was the protestor who replied that he was born there (in Israel) of parents who survived the Holocaust.
/r/MensRights15/04/18 12:09 PM
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Intactivism refers to activism against nontherapeutic genital cutting without informed consent. It's not the same thing as "inactivism". It has nothing to do with a lack of activism or being inactive.
/r/MensRights13/04/18 05:13 PM
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Look again. He wrote intactivism, not inactivism. :)
/r/MensRights13/04/18 04:52 PM
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Good bot.
/r/MensRights11/04/18 11:05 AM
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Check out Professor Ryan McAllister's presentation Child Circumcision: an Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW)
/r/MensRights10/04/18 08:14 PM
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That occurs often, both in Muslim and non-Muslim communities that practice FGM. An example in the context of a Muslim community would be in the Dawoodi Bohra community: “It is a religious practice for us. But the way it has been portrayed is extremely nasty. I am a Muslim and I follow Shariat, and I feel there is nothing wrong with the practice of female circumcision,” said a 35-year-old Dubai-based businesswoman who was cut at the age of seven-and-a-half. “I have no traumatic memory of the day.…
/r/MensRights09/04/18 11:22 AM
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Take the time to see Professor Ryan McAllister's Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital (NSFW)
/r/MensRights09/04/18 10:07 AM
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Not even a month ago a White American woman, Kristina Petrie, did something along these lines (although without "success" as her son lived). An affidavit obtained by WJLA says that the incident began when Petrie’s son came home from school and went into his room to play video games. The boy’s mother appeared a short while later, with a bone saw in hand, and asked why he was not doing his homework. That’s when Petrie pinned the boy down and then allegedly “jammed” the cutting tool against her son…
/r/MensRights08/04/18 07:46 AM
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So no one gets confused: This happened in Sweden, New York. Not Sweden the country.
/r/MensRights07/04/18 12:50 PM
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At one of the last sessions, the speaker from “Operation Abraham,” an Israel-based group that apparently hopes to be engaged to assist the U.S. in circumcising black and Hispanic males, put a photo of an intact male up on the screen. The figure of an elephant had been drawn around the penis so that the intact penis looked like an elephant’s trunk. The words “Yes! A circumcision please!” had been added to the photo. I remonstrated loudly until this smear against intact males was taken down. I the…
/r/MensRights07/04/18 08:46 AM
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Helen Weiss led a team composed of Natasha Larke, Daniel Halperin and Inon Schenker in researching, drafting and finalising this report. Sigh.
/r/MensRights07/04/18 08:29 AM
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These "social experiments" are very often fake and make use of actors. I don't know if this one particularly is real or not but I bet not. I don't trust them.
/r/MensRights07/04/18 07:31 AM
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Or "loss of sensitivity isn't bad anyway. It would prevent premature ejaculation. Men should want to 'last longer' to please women more. Removing sensation from a boy's penis is a good thing for women and therefore a good thing for boys and men". The implication is that men derive their value largely from the "sexual value" they provide to women, and intact males are therefore worth less because they are supposedly premature ejaculators. This would also be a form of controlling male sexuality, a…
/r/MensRights07/04/18 06:28 AM
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There are few that that happen to, and it can be chalked up to a poorly done circumcision, not the removal of the foreskin. I don't know that that's the case. The junctional mucosa of the foreskin itself (not the glans) is the part of the penis with the most specialized pattern of sensory innervation. (NSFW) That is known from the histological analysis. Additionally, touch tests show that it is (as would be expected from the innervation) the most sensitive part of the penis. In a later interview…
/r/MensRights02/04/18 04:42 PM
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Definitely not necessary for pleasure. Definitely would be an overstatement. There are men who report losing essentially all sexual pleasure after having lost their foreskins. In their cases, it was indeed necessary for pleasure.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 04:10 PM
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So you don't understand the difference between Mucosal Membranes and your Epidermis? The foreskin is not just "epidermis". The inner foreskin is mucosal membrane. Please take the time to check out this brief video (NSFW) for more information on the anatomy and physiology of the foreskin.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 03:44 PM
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My mother could answer the questions about my brother's penis, I honestly am not interested in that, haha. I don't know what she did, but it's likely that she retracted it to clean it. No surprise then, if it's the case. PFFR (Premature Forced Foreskin Retraction) has long been an epidemic and until relatively recently parents didn't have near as much access to information about its dangers as they do now. If your brother and/or the other boys were prematurely retracted, that would easily explai…
/r/MensRights02/04/18 03:34 PM
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Bacterial breeding grounds readily breed bacteria. It's funny how when it's men and their genitalia, it's a "bacterial breeding ground". When it's women and their genitalia, it's a "microbiome". Really drives home just how screwed up a view too much of this world has of the male body.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 03:19 PM
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I've known several people (my brother included) that got circumcised at an older age because of infections. Were any of them forcibly retracted? How would you even know? Forced retraction is common even today. Boys are gross and hygiene is already an issue with nearly all boys. Gross, misandrist bullshit, about as far from a "logical point" as you could get. It's easy to say "keep your dick clean" as an adult, but a 6yr old? Yeah good luck getting them to stay on a good cleaning schedule, haha. …
/r/MensRights02/04/18 03:04 PM
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Well what do you know--in less than 24 hours someone posted an example of this misandrist and hateful tripe on this very board. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/88x7m3/11monthold_baby_dies_after_circumcision_kin/dwo8v3j/
/r/MensRights02/04/18 02:48 PM
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The article I linked to in another post of mine in this thread implies that the late Gautam was put under general anesthesia. However, since it is hard to get infants to cooperate during surgery, general anaesthesia is administered, a source at the hospital informed. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/probe-ordered-into-toddlers-death-after-circumcision/article23408912.ece It is known already that going under general anesthesia is riskier for infants than older children or adults. If …
/r/MensRights02/04/18 01:16 PM
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The most cost-effective management for treating phimosis is to initiate topical therapy. Daily external application from the tip of the foreskin to the glandis corona with betamethasone 0.05% cream for 4 to 6 weeks has been demonstrated to be very effective, resulting in a 75% savings compared with circumcision. Surgical intervention should not be considered until topical therapy has been given an adequate trial. When contemplating surgery, the lower morbidity, lower costs, and tissue preservati…
/r/MensRights02/04/18 12:18 PM
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Foreskin restoration involves recreating the skin on the penis that had been lost to circumcision or injury. Quanico said that he had performed foreskin restoration on at least two of his patients. Quanico, who is an officer of Health Information Network, did not specify his patients' reasons for foreskin restoration, but said the most common reason cited is an uncomfortable erection.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 09:01 AM
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According to this article, the boy had issues urinating. If that was indeed the case, what was tried before resorting to something as extreme as "circumcision" as a treatment? According to this article from several years ago a Chinese boy pseudonymously referred to as "Longlong" had what sounds like a similar problem. His doctor cured it with topical treatment.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 07:30 AM
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"Benefits vs. Risks" Do the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks?2 In recently proposed recommendations and an accompanying background report, an anonymous CDC working group has suggested that they do (2014a, 2014b). A similar claim was made in 2012 by an eight-member American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) task force (2012a, 2012b), despite contrary policies from British, mainland European, and Australasian medical associations, all of which remain in force (e.g. British Medical Association…
/r/MensRights02/04/18 06:55 AM
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Article from Global Public Health, Vol. 13, Issue 5. Pp. 626-641.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 06:42 AM
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Man this is depressing to listen to. I can tell you (or otherwise whoever is speaking in the recording) put a lot of effort into it. The "who got the last laugh?" and "I want to look like me" parts were very poignant.
/r/MensRights02/04/18 03:04 AM
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Oh snap.
/r/MensRights01/04/18 01:23 PM
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There's a fair bit of controversy in India over it right now (India currently has no law specifically banning FGM) https://www.firstpost.com/india/two-mumbai-women-doctors-support-fgm-claim-it-is-a-harmless-procedure-that-comes-under-religious-freedom-3508713.html
/r/MensRights01/04/18 01:10 PM
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A lot of people who use this excuse are talking about their own children or themselves. They say things like "I'm a disgusting man and my children are gross, filthy, disgusting boys. All men are disgusting and unhygienic. That's why I circumcised my sons and why I'm glad my parents did it to me". I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I have indeed seen men refer to themselves and their own sons like this.
/r/MensRights01/04/18 12:04 PM
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By the way, this excuse was mentioned in a parody video starring Nurse Jacqueline Maire.
/r/MensRights01/04/18 09:39 AM
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Here are some videos it might be useful to share with her. Be advised that these videos may be NSFW. Prof. Ryan McAllister: Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital Prof. Brian Earp: Circumcision: A Sexual Harm? Dr. Morten Frisch, MD: Circumcision and Sexual Function Difficulties It must also be understood that in infants and young boys, the foreskin is normally fused to the head of the penis by tissue called the balanopreputial lamina. In the womb, they develop as one structure and their…
/r/MensRights31/03/18 03:05 AM
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Excerpt of the review article linked to above: When Westerners decry the practices of other cultures, and campaign for change, they may mean well. But are they really spreading enlightenment, or shame? Who gets to decide whether an initiation rite is barbaric or an exemplary form of bonding? Are there any cultural absolutes, or are all cultural norms equally valid? This constellation of questions animates Seth Rozin’s crafty and invigorating one-act play, Human Rites, the third production of Int…
/r/MensRights30/03/18 06:07 AM
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It seems that the boys described in this case aren't actually infants, but older children/adolescents. Ibu Ratna and I entered the house. The room was full of people. It was noisy and hot. People had come for the free circumcisions. The penises of boys between the ages of nine and twelve were being cut on the creaking wooden table in the corner. On the table were old rags, open packages of needles, bloody bandages, dirt and dust. The room smelled of fish, which was what usually went under the kn…
/r/MensRights29/03/18 06:53 AM
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This article is brief, but remarkable for a few reasons. First of all, the author, Hannah Strong, wrote "The Bloodstained Men, a national organization against genital mutilation". She didn't write "a national organization against child circumcision, which they consider to be genital mutilation". This is noteworthy to say the least. On top of that, when she quoted Savannah Messer, who stated "It's illegal to do it to females. Why should you be able to do it to a male?", she didn't immediately fol…
/r/MensRights29/03/18 06:24 AM
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I suppose I've always thought it was a given that males will grow up to be strong and independent, self-sufficient and confident, no matter what messages they receive in childhood. Well, that's a pretty ludicrous idea. It's good that the author seems to be coming to realize that, at least to some extent.
/r/MensRights29/03/18 06:05 AM
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Sometimes they had to hack away at the foreskin several times before it was properly severed. Blood dripping onto the table was wiped off with already-bloody cotton wool. Ibu Ratna sighed and stated the obvious: they had not brought enough supplies with them. The nurse from Unaaha was dexterous enough to wipe the blood, take a drag on his cigarette and entertain the crowd all at the same time. His gloves, the only pair he wore while I was there, were as filthy as the cotton wool strewn around th…
/r/MensRights29/03/18 05:42 AM
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Regardless, it's a counterexample to the idea that a person has the right to do whatever they want to their own body in the name of their religion. Partaking of a substance is doing something to one's own body, and religious use of such substance is doing so in the name of religion. Under alcohol prohibition in the US, religious exemptions were made as whether the use of alcohol for religious reasons was considered an important factor. That in the west this hasn't been the case for cannabis use …
/r/MensRights29/03/18 04:24 AM
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You have the freedom to do what ever you want to your own body in the name of your religion. The remarkable thing is that a lot of the time, legally speaking, you don't. For example, the entheogenic use of cannabis is a religious practice in some denominations of Hinduism, but this has not received legal exemptions in many cases. In fact as far as I know, no state in the US that prohibits marijuana possession/consumption makes an exemption for religion and neither does US Federal law. And yet th…
/r/MensRights28/03/18 01:04 PM
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Dang, a near 2 hour podcast...But it's Professor Earp. It's going to be worth it. When I actually get to listening to it, I'll come back and comment again.
/r/MensRights26/03/18 08:00 PM
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It's amazing to me that often, society will tolerate enormous infractions by "big" people, but people without a lot of power get shamed and ostracized for things so incredibly trivial that are to a large extent outside their control. "They're only human. Stuff happens", people will say for the powerful person who has money and clout, even if their indiscretions severely and negatively impacted the lives of other people. "ONE MINUTE LATE!?!?! WE MUST PUNISH THIS BOY TO MAINTAIN THE ORDER OF SOCIE…
/r/MensRights26/03/18 06:43 PM
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This is not something that requires punishing the child. An argument could be made that it's something that if it happens repeatedly is something to discuss with his mother. If for some stupid reason someone feels punishment is necessary, perhaps a punishment like making him write a 5-sentence essay on the importance of punctuality would make at least some ghost of sense. I wouldn't do it, but I could at least understand it, sort of. As it stands now, this is public humiliation for an infraction…
/r/MensRights26/03/18 06:31 PM
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No. It's a power trip for the adults in charge. They are getting off on their ability to shame someone for a tiny infraction because they enjoy feeling big. You don't humiliate a doctor if she's one minute late to your appointment to treat your strep throat. You don't publicly shame a cashier who comes to the till after keeping you waiting for one minute. You don't scream at a cab driver because he came at 2:31 when he said he'd be there at 2:30. This is a power game because a typical 6 year old…
/r/MensRights26/03/18 06:22 PM
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FGM effects their ability to orgasim. Not always. According to her, most women refrain from talking about it because of the sexual component involved in it. “I have experienced orgasm. Women who think they have a problematic sex life because of the circumcision should go see a doctor instead of blaming the practice. “I have only sweet memories attached to the day when I was taken for the procedure. My mother and I bonded, the same way my daughter and I did when she was circumcised,” she said, qu…
/r/MensRights26/03/18 02:02 AM
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Whatever the cause, you may need the assistance of a psychologist to address this emotional issue -A male responder to that thread. They [women upset about having had their clitoral hoods cut] lack the knowledge of sexual function. What they need is a therapist -A "circumcised" Bohra woman
/r/MensRights25/03/18 10:52 PM
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"If circumcision was bad then men would complain about it. Men don't complain, so it's fine" "Are you seriously complaining about being circumcised? Dude it's no big deal. You're wrong to complain. Men who complain about this have something wrong with them"
/r/MensRights25/03/18 10:47 PM
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It's the same kind of gaslighting women in cultures that practice FGM go through. They get told "you need a therapist, your problem isn't the fact that you were circumcised. I'm cut and I'm fine. If you're not fine, the problem is you, not female circumcision--or maybe the problem is some stupid anti female circumcision activists who told you you were harmed. I never heard a woman complain about being cut until they came along and tried to convince everyone it was bad". See the works of Fuambai …
/r/MensRights25/03/18 10:37 PM
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Men's rights and MGTOW are really not the same thing. It's important not to conflate them.
/r/MensRights25/03/18 10:33 PM
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By definition it isn't amputation. It is indeed an amputation. It is the amputation of the foreskin "Definition of amputate (amputated; amputating) transitive verb to remove by or as if by cutting; especially : to cut (a part, such as a limb) from the body — amputation \ˌam-pyə-ˈtā-shən\ noun" https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/amputation A limb is given as an example, but the definition nowhere states that limbs are the only parts of the body that can be amputated. Additionally, there h…
/r/MensRights25/03/18 09:38 PM
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It's not hilarious at all. Are you still operating under the premise that the foreskin is "just a flap of skin"? This is a falsehood repeated for generations that became a part of the popular conception of the organ. But it isn't the case. The junctional mucosa of the foreskin is the most gentle touch sensitive part of the penis (Sorrells, ML et al. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis. BJU International, Volume 99, Issue 4. Pp. 864-869 April 2007). "Circumcised" males are also more…
/r/MensRights25/03/18 09:10 PM
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A lot of women in cultures that cut girls and boys alike defend FGM too. “It is a religious practice for us. But the way it has been portrayed is extremely nasty. I am a Muslim and I follow Shariat, and I feel there is nothing wrong with the practice of female circumcision,” said a 35-year-old Dubai-based businesswoman who was cut at the age of seven-and-a-half. “I have no traumatic memory of the day. I recall wearing my favourite purple dress. My mother told me that we were going to my grandmot…
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:53 PM
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See Professor Ryan McAllister's Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW) It's a good introduction to many of the ethical issues involved with this topic.
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:47 PM
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Before assuming that the destruction of the prepuce is not harmful or damaging, take into account the anatomy and physiology of the structure that's getting destroyed. It's not "a little flap of extra skin". Here are some relevant excerpts from the landmark review "The Prepuce" by Drs. Christopher Cold and John Taylor. (British Journal of Urology, Volume 83, Suppl. 1: Pages 34-44, January 1999) The prepuce is a common anatomical structure of the male [1] and female [2] external genitalia of all …
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:45 PM
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The AAP's position on male circumcision has been strongly criticized by much of the international medical community as culturally biased and based on fallacious and self-contradictory premises: There are no compelling health arguments in favor of circumcision, while it can have serious long-term urological, psychological and sexual consequences. And performing medically unwarranted circumcision of underage boys conflicts with good medical practice. Male infant circumcision conflicts with childre…
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:39 PM
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Hair is dead tissue that grows back when cut. The foreskin is living tissue. You get one. Once it is removed, it is gone for good. The differences are enormous.
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:30 PM
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See Robert Darby's The masturbation taboo and the rise of routine male circumcision: A review of the historiography. Journal of Social History, Volume 27: Pages 737-757, Spring 2003.
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:25 PM
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Kids might grow up to want differently for their kids Kids might grow up to want differently for themselves.
/r/MensRights25/03/18 08:22 PM
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Let's see...700 years ago Christians were not performing circumcision anywhere. I believe the Coptic Christians practiced it back then (and continue to do so today).
/r/MensRights25/03/18 07:37 AM
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While she's a bit wishy-washy, Ms. Hassan is arguing more so in favor of rather than against legal protection of boys from "circumcision" until they are at least young adults who can make an informed choice. She does make the "FGM is worse" gaffe, but aside from that, overall her message is reasonable. She states clearly that prohibiting the ritual genital cutting of male infants is not an infringement of the religious rights of the parents. As for balancing this with religious rights, perhaps a…
/r/MensRights24/03/18 09:32 PM
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There are a considerable number of members of ethnic minorities who do not accept the label "person of color". That term actually has a long history of use in racist laws and propositions like anti-miscegenation statues/proposals; that was to a large extent its purpose, before it was "reclaimed" by the "PC" movement. In 1912, prompted by the notoriety of Johnson's marriages, a Congressman from Georgia, Seaborn Roddenbery, proposed an anti-miscegenation amendment to the U.S. Constitution in the U…
/r/MensRights24/03/18 09:14 PM
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Lol. You literally want to ban a procedure that's been a cultural, religious, and traditional part of normal men's lives, and ONLY men Actually, in many cultures women cut the clitoral hoods of their daughters, for "cultural, religious, and traditional" reasons. I'm talking about the clitoral hood. The female prepuce, which is homologous to the male prepuce. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/khatna-has-been-given-a-bad-name-say-bohra-women-from-around-the-world/article18211061.ece Don't…
/r/MensRights24/03/18 07:58 PM
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I think it wouldn't hurt to seek a second opinion with a specialist, like Dr. Adrienne Carmack. She's done a lot more research on the development of the foreskin than almost any other doctor you'd encounter; she even had a paper that discusses it it published last year in the medical journal Canadian Family Physician. The paper is mostly about how to catheterize a boy with an intact foreskin without causing him an injury, but she also goes into the development of the foreskin and how it can take…
/r/MensRights24/03/18 06:25 AM
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Man this thread is literally stuff I learned just last night when I was having a conversation with my dad. /r/baader_meinhof
/r/MensRights23/03/18 11:31 PM
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When you use a np url, you have to remove the www; otherwise it won't work.
/r/MensRights23/03/18 08:17 PM
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1 is false. The foreskin is simply a flap of skin. Except it's not. I notice the post of u/dalkon, likely one correcting [deleted]'s false statement, was downvoted to oblivion. Sad.
/r/MensRights23/03/18 08:01 PM
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Disgusting.
/r/MensRights23/03/18 05:45 AM
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That guy looks pretty good for 55 I have to say. Doesn't look a day over 40.
/r/MensRights22/03/18 12:29 AM
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It's possible no doubt but I don't think that we can be sure.
/r/MensRights22/03/18 12:08 AM
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There's also recent precedent in the US for parents trying to get their boys "circumcised" even in adolescence: https://www.upi.com/Oregon-court-rejects-circumcision-case/37921201301827/?spt=su
/r/MensRights21/03/18 11:55 PM
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The college did not reveal exactly what the complications involved, but they quoted a memo from Chowdhary to another doctor where he stated the parents were concerned that skin had fused to the head of J.T.’s penis. Bryan Salte, associate registrar of the college, told the Leader-Post the boy was born with “abnormalities” which caused the complications. He said that a circumcision should not have been performed in the first place. When reached for comment, Chowdhary confirmed that anatomical dif…
/r/MensRights21/03/18 11:07 PM
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How can you be so sure? From reading her comments in the thread (the original post seems to have been deleted), it seems like an example of the so-called Poe's Law to me.
/r/MensRights21/03/18 10:54 PM
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Any chance we could get a rundown of some highlights?
/r/MensRights21/03/18 05:55 AM
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Abstract Surgically modifying the genitals of children — female, male, and intersex — has drawn increased scrutiny in recent years. In Western societies, it is illegal to modify the healthy genitals of female children in any way or to any extent in the absence of a strict medical indication. By contrast, modifying the healthy genitals of male children and intersex children is currently permitted. In this journal in 2015, Stephen R. Munzer discussed a controversial German court case from 2012 (an…
/r/MensRights21/03/18 04:20 AM
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Type 1 FGM includes both the subtypes 1A (ablation of the clitoral hood) and 1B (which includes ablation of the head of the clitoris). In neither case do the majority of women mutilated lose all sex drive (sex hormone production continues, even in the absence of part of the genitals' sensory tissue), and many (not all) cut women, even those cut very severely, still report enjoying orgasms and sex. On the other hand, the suppression of female sexuality is sometimes given as a rationale for both p…
/r/MensRights21/03/18 04:13 AM
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There are a lot of people with scarcely a shred of conscience in them who enjoy power games like this because it lets them "dominate" someone else and they think they can get away with it.
/r/MensRights21/03/18 03:07 AM
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According to the OP a little later in the thread, the manager in question is a man.
/r/MensRights20/03/18 11:30 PM
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http://euromind.global/en/brian-d-earp-and-rebecca-steinfeld/
/r/MensRights20/03/18 09:08 PM
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Seconding this suggestion. Prof. McAllister packs a lot of information into this half hour lecture. Warning, it's NSFW so keep that in mind.
/r/MensRights18/03/18 07:40 PM
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The World Health Organization's "Chief Expert on Circumcision" is David R. Tomlinson, an inventor and patent holder of circumcision devices. According to Goldman, The WHO circumcision “expert,” David Tomlinson, has a conflict of interest because he promotes and sells his own circumcision device to Africans and others. Tomlinson was asked to identify the functions of the foreskin, and he did not know! The WHO does not answer written inquiries about circumcision.
/r/MensRights16/03/18 08:59 AM
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It's interesting that this was a Middle Eastern family who was originally not going to cut their son until the doctor who convinced them to do it with the claim of bogus "medical benefits" got them to agree, and it cost poor Ryan his life. It's an incredibly sad story. RIP.
/r/MensRights08/03/18 12:01 AM
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Straight up if you have a passionate take on this you're a loser. I know that isn't your quote, u/boringcarpets, and you are quoting a post that has since been deleted. I had to comment on that line because it just shows the kind of shaming tactics and gaslighting so many those condoning forced genital cutting engage in against those who were subjected to it and who dare to speak up against it. Then the same people who shame those who speak up turn around and say, "I've never heard anyone compla…
/r/MensRights07/03/18 08:01 PM
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(2 of 2) It is indicative of the difficulties faced by circumcision critics that in other contexts involving invasive procedures on the genitals, such as female genital mutilation or rape, the harm is simply assumed and the actions categorized as sexual assault. Rape is regarded as a serious wrong even without physical injury simply because it is sex without consent; Archard (2007) argues that rape is both properly defined as non-consensual sex and properly evaluated as a serious wrong, and furt…
/r/MensRights07/03/18 04:50 PM
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Seems like a marketing term.
/r/MensRights07/03/18 02:09 PM
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I have never in my life heard a dude say...Wow, I wish it wasn't circumcised" http://www.circumstitions.com/Resent.html
/r/MensRights07/03/18 12:40 PM
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No[,] Female circumcision completely removes the females ability to achieve orgasm Many "circumcised" women would disagree. Khatna involves cutting the part of the clitoral hood or the prepuce of minor girls that helps protect the clitoral glans. Activists believe that the practice is meant to suppress the sexual urge of a woman, or to even make the experience painful for her. But a 50-year-old U.K.-based English teacher said, “There is simply a tiny slit on the prepuce, which helps expose the c…
/r/MensRights07/03/18 12:35 PM
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It's perhaps worth mentioning that Dr. Lempert, although he is of Jewish descent, does not self-identify as Jewish. For the record: I am not Jewish - belief is a choice. And names don't hurt people anywhere near as much as cutting off the most sensitive erogenous parts of their bodies in the arrogant assumption that the child will adopt their version of reality and not caring if they don't. The UN Convention on Human Rights asserts that every person has the right to freedom of belief from birth …
/r/MensRights06/03/18 09:49 PM
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There's a lot of pro-echo chamber mentality in the world at large, and on Reddit. Even posting on this subreddit will get you banned from at least a dozen, probably more, various other subreddits. The content of your posts here doesn't even matter in that regard--it's guilt by association.
/r/MensRights06/03/18 06:35 PM
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It would make a better impression if they had some specific criticisms, like, "In her 200X Essay "__________", Ms. Christina Hoff Sommers claimed X, but she was wrong. She ignored (P), (Y), and (Q), and in light of this her claim is untenable!" Maybe not using that exact template, but hopefully I conveyed the kind of thing I'm going for here. My point is they'd have done better to criticize her using logic and specific points rather than...this thing that they're doing.
/r/MensRights06/03/18 05:34 PM
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It's not quite on the topic of psychopathy, but this article may be of interest to you.
/r/MensRights05/03/18 11:39 AM
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There is a growing movement in India against female genital cutting. At some point, you might hear "One can't compare FGC to male circumcision; they're nothing alike", but that's not really the case. Professor Brian Earp and Dr. Rebecca Steinfeld wrote a detailed review on this topic which can be read here.
/r/MensRights04/03/18 06:25 PM
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A commonly-repeated line is the bogus claim that "FGM is not a religious practice". Earp and Steinfeld discussed and debunked that claim in their recent review Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm.
/r/MensRights04/03/18 03:05 PM
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In this short article, the scientist Dr. Karl Kruszelnicki explains how the idea that male genital cutting arose as a "hot climate hygiene measure" or "anti-sand surgery" is a myth.
/r/MensRights04/03/18 12:21 PM
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So much in this article is wrong on multiple levels; the idea that so-called "male circumcision" removes "a tiny piece of skin". Wrong. It removes and/or mangles variable amounts and types of tissue, virtually always including the ridged band and virtually always including almost all the penile dartos muscle. And yes, it removes skin too--generally what would grow into a lot of skin. The idea that it's a well-standardized operation, or as the author tried to put it, that it "has a discrete objec…
/r/MensRights03/03/18 05:03 PM
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Moreover male circumcision began as a hot-climate hygiene practice designed to improve sexual health and virility That is a myth (After clicking the link, you can scroll down to read the article in your browser--you don't have to download it)
/r/MensRights03/03/18 04:53 PM
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The uncircumcised clitoris and penis are considered homologous aesthetically and hygienically: Just as the male foreskin covers the head of the penis, the female foreskin covers the clitoral glans. Both, they argue, lead to build-up of smegma and bacteria in the layers of skin between the hood and glans. This accumulation is thought of as odorous, susceptible to infection and a nuisance to keep clean on a daily basis. Further, circumcised women point to the risks of painful clitoral adhesions th…
/r/MensRights02/03/18 04:48 PM
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The World Health Organization's "Chief Expert on Circumcision" is David R. Tomlinson, an inventor and patent holder of circumcision devices. According to Goldman, The WHO circumcision “expert,” David Tomlinson, has a conflict of interest because he promotes and sells his own circumcision device to Africans and others. Tomlinson was asked to identify the functions of the foreskin, and he did not know! The WHO does not answer written inquiries about circumcision.
/r/MensRights28/02/18 08:08 AM
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I suggest reading Gregory Boyle's Does male circumcision adversely affect sexual sensation, function, or satisfaction? Critical comment on Morris and Krieger (2013) (PDF) (Advances in Sexual Medicine, Volume 5, pp. 7-12, 2015).
/r/MensRights28/02/18 07:41 AM
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Take the time to check out the recent Euromind article on this topic, Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm, by Professor Brian Earp and Dr. Rebecca Steinfeld. There's a lot of information in there regarding aspects of the subject that you might not have heard much about before.
/r/MensRights28/02/18 07:30 AM
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The article you linked to is a misleading summary of Bossio et al's 2016 disaster of a "study", Examining Penile Sensitivity in Neonatally Circumcised and Intact Men Using Quantitative Sensory Testing, which itself should have never been published. Bossio et al's interpretation of the data rested on multiple ludicrous premises, including the bizarre and frankly hateful idea that the cornerstone of male sensuality is pain. Even the article you linked to admits The investigators also found that th…
/r/MensRights27/02/18 01:31 PM
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Take a little more time to read the full article at your leisure. As far as the 2012 AAP position statement (which has by the way since expired) goes, it was far out of line with the mainstream medical opinion on this issue outside the US. The AAP also had no calculus whatsoever for determining whether "the benefits" outweighed "the risks" or not. Their contention was based on "a feeling". They themselves stated that "the true incidence of complications after newborn circumcision is unknown". It…
/r/MensRights26/02/18 07:43 PM
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Take the time to check out the recent Euromind article on this topic, Gender and Genital Cutting: A New Paradigm, by Professor Brian Earp and Dr. Rebecca Steinfeld. There's a lot of information in there regarding aspects of the subject that you might not have heard much about before.
/r/MensRights26/02/18 07:02 PM
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On top of that, the male foreskin itself is highly specialized sensory tissue.
/r/MensRights26/02/18 07:22 AM
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500 Icelandic Physicians Back Bill to Outlaw Circumcision Just as Iceland is due to get its first-ever synagogue JTA Feb 25, 2018 3:15 PM Hundreds of physicians in Iceland and some of Belgium’s top doctors came out in support of a bill proposing to criminalize nonmedical circumcision of boys in the Scandinavian island nation. The approximately 500 Icelandic physicians who backed the bill that was submitted last month to the parliament cited the World Medical Association’s Declaration of Helsinki…
/r/MensRights26/02/18 06:52 AM
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Ah, ok.
/r/MensRights26/02/18 04:59 AM
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They did examine her; the findings were inconclusive. Previously the jury had heard how a medical examination of the girl revealed a small lesion - "a couple of millimetres at most" - on her genitalia. However, two doctors questioned said they could not confirm FGM had taken place.
/r/MensRights26/02/18 04:16 AM
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Is the foreskin not permanently damaged or disfigured by having its ridged band ablated?
/r/MensRights25/02/18 02:14 PM
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Cadbury The same Cadbury of the Cadbury chocolate company? I don't believe I've heard about this. Do you have more information you could share?
/r/MensRights25/02/18 12:35 PM
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Well, there was a recent case where a father was prosecuted for FGM based on "an alleged admission made in a taxi journey". The daughter did get examined as part of the trial too. Her father was found not guilty as there was no way of really proving whether the daughter had been cut. There was no tissue missing from her genitals, and the "possible scar" alone was not sufficient to prove FGM of any kind had taken place. Both the daughter and her father denied she had been cut.
/r/MensRights25/02/18 09:17 AM
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Before the anti-FGM laws were brought in, there was never any "debate". There's currently a considerable one going on in India as we speak actually (afaik India currently has no laws specifically banning FGM or MGM) https://newsin.asia/female-circumcision-communities-call-religious-freedom-upheld/
/r/MensRights25/02/18 09:12 AM
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I wonder if this is a scheme to provide "practice shots" to train inexperienced surgeons who don't really know what they're doing. I also doubt the health risks inherent to this surgery will be adequately explained to the patients.
/r/MensRights25/02/18 05:40 AM
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Yet although the principle of personal autonomy may suggest that male circumcision should be banned, the fact of the matter is that there is very little demand for its prohibition amongst those who have actually been circumcised. To be sure, there are vocal activists and organisations that campaign against the practice, but the overwhelming consensus amongst both Jewish and Muslim men is supportive of its continuation, which is no doubt why both communities continue to circumcise their own male …
/r/MensRights25/02/18 04:53 AM
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Here is a little background info on this essay. http://www.rebeccasteinfeld.com/2017/04/gender-and-genital-cutting-new-paradigm.html
/r/MensRights25/02/18 03:03 AM
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It's the name of a series of articles on Euromind, many of which relate to common topics on this board such as genital integrity, male suicide, and the failure of "gendered" models of domestic violence that paint the male as the default aggressor and the female as the default victim.
/r/MensRights24/02/18 04:15 PM
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Yes. Generally speaking, FGC in South and Southeast Asia is of a less extreme nature than in Africa.
/r/MensRights24/02/18 03:16 PM
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From the source of that image: Female genital mutilation (FGM), also known as female genital cutting and female circumcision, is defined by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "all procedures that involve partial or total removal of the external female genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons". This map shows the % of girls and women aged 15-49 years who have undergone FGM/C. Data source: UNICEF (2013), United Nations Children’s Fund, Female Genital Mutil…
/r/MensRights24/02/18 03:03 PM
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Just because a law prohibiting an act has yet to be enforced doesn't mean the act is legal and unpunishable. Female genital cutting has been specifically illegal in the US for over 20 years (and arguably illegal under laws prohibiting bodily harm for many years before that), but the first prosecution is just set to happen this year.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 01:23 PM
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If you had read the article, you wouldn't have needed to ask such an inane question.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 10:50 AM
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You're welcome!
/r/MensRights21/02/18 10:00 AM
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This is an article that proposes minor mutilation to avoid major mutilation. It doesn't say it's harmless In the BMJ Journal of Medical Ethics article Drs. Arora and Jacobs wrote that the Newsweek article references, they do say that ablation of the clitoral hood (FGM Type 1A, though they classify it in their own system as fitting into "Category 2") and "nicking" of the vulva (FGM type 4, though they classify it in their own system as "Category 1") are harmless or nearly harmless. They also go i…
/r/MensRights21/02/18 09:45 AM
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If these doctors were in NY, Toronto or London you might have a case. Well lookee here
/r/MensRights21/02/18 09:13 AM
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For one thing, because it shows the remarkable parallels between the arguments those who support permitting both involuntary female and male genital cutting for religious and cultural reasons give, and those given by those who support permitting only involuntary male genital cutting for religious/cultural reasons, while forbidding religious and cultural genital cutting of girls. It exposes the hypocrisy of those who would extend protection to girls while denying it to boys. Example: https://www.…
/r/MensRights21/02/18 08:29 AM
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Oh, I see. Thanks.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 04:09 AM
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Those percentages only add up to 75%. I wonder where the missing quarter is.
/r/MensRights21/02/18 02:55 AM
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#gocutmyhusband briefly trends in praise of a woman for getting revenge on her husband after an argument by inciting a mob to break into their house and drag the man into the market to get his foreskin sawed off in front of the entire village. Oh, wait, that actually was a real thing
/r/MensRights21/02/18 02:43 AM
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I think you might be a little confused as to what this part of the discussion is about. I'm agreeing with u/Wildhuntsman that a circumcision that appears to be not too tight in an infant or child can end up being tight when he grows up. I'm not saying that boys should be cut in the first place.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 04:02 PM
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Even pricking the clitoral hood of a girl with a sterilized needle, a common form of female "circumcision" in parts of Muslim Asia such as Indonesia, is considered type IV FGM and would almost certainly be considered illegal in Iceland.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 09:23 AM
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UTIs are reduced, but those are easily curable. From what I've read so far, none of the studies purporting to show a protective effect between foreskin amputation and UTI in infants controlled for forced retraction. That is a major methodological flaw. Even setting that aside for a moment and ignoring it, it's estimated that it would take well over 100 circumcisions to prevent one UTI.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:55 AM
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There's no evidence to suggest that circumcision is detrimental to males Actually there is. If you see Professor Ryan McAllister's lecture Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital (NSFW) you'll learn a lot about this issue with just a short investment of time. If you want to devote the time to do some in-depth reading, then check out Drs. Christopher Cold and John Taylor's review The prepuce. (NSFW) Some points I can bring up right off the bat are that circumcision ablates the most specia…
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:48 AM
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Uncut dicks are gross A lot of women think uncut vulvas are "gross". That doesn't give them the right to cut their daughters. The uncircumcised clitoris and penis are considered homologous aesthetically and hygienically. Just as the male foreskin covers the head of the penis, the female foreskin covers the clitoral glans. Both, they argue, lead to build-up of smegma and bacteria in the layers of skin between the hood and glans. This accumulation is thought of as odorous, susceptible to infection…
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:37 AM
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Penises often grow as the people that they're attatched to mature. What may seem loose now could be tight a few decades on. The importance of this is hard to overstate. I'm glad you brought it up.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:34 AM
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I hear you. I suppose I can respect the fact that you consistently apply this principle to both men and women, rather than just to one sex or the other.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:26 AM
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According to this article, [The bill] acknowledges that while parents have the right to give religious guidance to their children, “such a right can never exceed the rights of the child”. Boys who wish to be circumcised for religious or cultural reasons can do so when they reach an age at which they “understand what is involved in such an action”, it suggests.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:21 AM
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If you take half an hour to watch Professor Ryan McAllister's lecture Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital, (NSFW) you'll have a much clearer picture of some of the major ethical issues involved.
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:13 AM
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Okay. I appreciate your consistency. However, it's important not to forget the considerable minority of cut women who aren't okay with it, and say that they actually wished they hadn't been cut. Many of them argue that society needs to at least give people the option of keeping all their own, personal genital tissue intact. Some of them do feel mutilated, and objectively speaking, some forms of female circumcision are mutilation (the most minor forms technically are not, but they still are consi…
/r/MensRights20/02/18 08:02 AM
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All I’m saying is, there will be some men out there who will now look at their circumcised penis and think “ohh I must be a disgusting mutilated man now because I have a cut penis” and that’s not on. The exact same argument is used by Dr. Fuambai Ahmadu to argue that female "circumcision" shouldn't be called FGM, and that women who are unhappy about having been cut are the victims of the anti-FGM movement and would be fine if they weren't exposed to anti-FGM sentiment. Of course, even that isn't…
/r/MensRights20/02/18 07:37 AM
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The fact of the matter is that it is mutilation. The foreskin is part of the penis. Circumcision mutilates the foreskin--it ablates essential parts of the foreskin like the ridged band and in many cases leaves the inner portion of the foreskin permanently exposed along the shaft (you might be unaware that the lighter-colored tissue between your shaft skin and your glans is the remnant of what was once the smooth mucosa of your foreskin). And the effects don't stop with the parts that are gone, b…
/r/MensRights20/02/18 07:18 AM
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Great question. If you take half an hour to watch Professor Ryan McAllister's lecture Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital, (NSFW) you'll have a much clearer picture of some of the major ethical issues involved.
/r/MensRights19/02/18 01:03 AM
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https://newsin.asia/female-circumcision-communities-call-religious-freedom-upheld/ Dr Alifiya S. Bapai, a practicing gynecologist in Mumbai...explains that Khafz is performed for ‘religious purity’ in the same way as male circumcision is. The procedure according to her has been practiced for generations and there have been no deaths recorded to date, due to Khafz. So why is the community being targeted if the procedure is so harmless? Fifty nine year old Fatema (who did not want to reveal her su…
/r/MensRights19/02/18 12:39 AM
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The majority of American males alive today were already penetrated (forcibly) with a "circumcision" probe (NSFW) soon after birth.
/r/MensRights17/02/18 10:57 PM
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I think I remember attempting to retract the foreskin to check for phimosis or other issues is done routinely. Physiological phimosis is perfectly normal in children; attempting to retract the foreskin even a little bit is normally unnecessary, and can lead to microtears and infections that can ultimately cause pathological phimosis. The time a case could be made for attempting to manipulate the foreskin in a child is catheterization. However, Carmack and Milos write that even then, only the min…
/r/MensRights16/02/18 06:02 PM
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I didn't get that impression from reading their comment.
/r/MensRights16/02/18 05:39 PM
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Do you have some references on that topic? It seems like they'd be an interesting read.
/r/MensRights16/02/18 08:24 AM
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Fatema, says Bohra women have never been forced or brainwashed to perform circumcision and that it is based on free choice. “Some groups go as far to allege that we force it. And they term us as mutilators. This is unfair. Neither what we perform is mutilation nor are we forced to do it. Khafz has been performed for generations and it is a religious belief. It is wrong to say that it is child abuse. If this is child abuse then what is male circumcision? Males are circumcised days after they are …
/r/MensRights16/02/18 01:18 AM
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If your foreskin goes back easily, it makes perfect sense that you would slide it back and wash it under the shower. But for a baby or a child, and even to some extent adolescents, the penis isn't fully developed yet. The inner foreskin may still be attached to the penis head, and the foreskin opening may still be very small. Attempting to pull a boy's nonretractile foreskin back could end up causing him a tremendous amount of pain and actually damaging his penis. Discussion. Boys usually are bo…
/r/MensRights15/02/18 10:27 PM
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It's sad to imagine the countless boys who get needlessly wounded this way. Thank you for sharing this important and informative article.
/r/MensRights15/02/18 10:05 AM
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You may wish to consider showing him Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital (NSFW). It's no laughing matter. You may also find the essay The Vulnerability of Men by Vincent Bach to your interest, because it's plausible that your boyfriend could be dealing with some of the psychological hangups Bach talks about. Some women have recommended reading this essay as a primer before discussing this subject with one's male partner who himself was cut, and using some of the psychological reassur…
/r/MensRights14/02/18 11:15 PM
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every doctor who has ever performed a circumcision fined and banned from practicing medicine for life I'm honestly not sure I'd go that far. Are you familiar with Dr. Christopher Cold? He's the primary author of the landmark review The prepuce (NSFW). He's circumcised himself, he had his sons circumcised, and he used to perform circumcisions during his time as a doctor in the military. He literally didn't know what he was cutting off because the medical literature was relatively lacking in infor…
/r/MensRights14/02/18 06:01 AM
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So are you cool with parents cutting their daughters' clitoral hoods?
/r/MensRights14/02/18 05:17 AM
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Just scroll down the page dude. You can read it on that page without giving them anything.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 04:20 AM
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That's a common misconception. In fact, the great majority of men worldwide aren't circumcised. It's quite uncommon outside Africa, Muslim Asia, Israel, South Korea, and the US.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 04:19 AM
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Regarding my frenulum, yes. I brought that up. But a circumcision is not the same thing as a frenulectomy. Those that do entail frenulectomy are obviously terrible and should be illegal. So-called male circumcision regularly includes the ablation of the frenulum and frenular delta. It's not a rare thing to happen. If you check Wikimedia, you can see that they have a huge gallery of circumcised penises (obviously NSFW). The frenulum and its delta are damaged to some extent in almost all of them, …
/r/MensRights14/02/18 03:03 AM
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Although I feel this conversation has gotten a bit overdrawn, I feel compelled to maintain that the sensitivity aspect of the argument does have a place here because the foreskin is, objectively speaking, highly specialized sensory tissue. Someone asked about it and I shared some information about it. The idea that the ablation of the most sensitive parts of the penis doesn't affect sensation simply isn't true, and if people are going to have an honest conversation about it, they should know the…
/r/MensRights14/02/18 01:56 AM
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As far as the studies in the article you shared go, The questionnaires used to assess potential sexual problems in the two cited randomized controlled trials in Kenya and Uganda were not presented in detail in the original publications.4,5 Rather than blindly accepting such findings as any more trustworthy than other findings in the literature, it should be recalled that a strong study design, such as a randomized controlled trial, does not offset the need for high-quality questionnaires. Having…
/r/MensRights14/02/18 12:51 AM
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But for religious and cultural reasons. I need a secular reason. I'm not sure what you mean or what you're asking for. Many cut women are offended at the notion that something is wrong with their genitals, and say "I'm circumcised and I'm fine". Obviously the cut women are going to largely be from cultures where FGC is a part of the culture, but that's the same as cut men in cultures where MGC is part of the culture. If you were cut as a child, most likely you too were from a culture that does t…
/r/MensRights13/02/18 11:49 PM
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But I was circumcised and I feel a bit put down by the intactivist rhetoric. I don't like the undertone that there's something wrong with my penis or that sex or masturbation isn't as good for me as it is for other guys. A great number of circumcised women feel the same way. This includes many of those who have had their clitoral hoods cut, and even many who have been clitoridectomized. What I shared in the post of mine to which you replied consisted of objective scientific facts about the fores…
/r/MensRights13/02/18 11:23 PM
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This is a huge and incredibly complex topic, but the following pages would be good starting points for learning more about it. http://www.academia.edu/9899840/The_riddle_of_the_sands_Circumcision_history_and_myth http://www.cirp.org/library/history/darby4/ http://www.circumstitions.com/Stitions&refs.html http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm
/r/MensRights13/02/18 10:38 PM
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The foreskin of the human penis has several specialized sensory structures. It's a very complex organ that shapes the way the penis works and feels due to its structure and its specialized pattern of innervation. The junctional mucosa of the foreskin is actually the most gentle-touch sensitive part of the entire penis. For more information you can check out this highly informative video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDqvvGbhzU (NSFW)
/r/MensRights13/02/18 09:50 PM
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It hasn't passed (yet), so we'll see what happens.
/r/MensRights13/02/18 09:30 PM
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Take a half hour to watch Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW) You'll doubtless find it very informative.
/r/MensRights13/02/18 09:26 PM
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Yes. I found the title somewhat optimistic to say the least.
/r/MensRights13/02/18 08:41 PM
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In Denmark, 90% of people polled supported an explicit ban. https://nordic.businessinsider.com/90-of-danes-would-now-ban-circumcision---but-defenders-call-it-undemocratic-2016-7/
/r/MensRights13/02/18 08:38 PM
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Check out these informative videos. Be aware that they may be NSFW. Anatomy of the Penis: Penile and Foreskin Neurology The Penis: Sex Education 101 Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital
/r/MensRights12/02/18 02:19 PM
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Sweeping the sensory functions of the foreskin under the rug is the only way they can get away with a "non-prescriptive" and "balanced" veneer. If they were honest about the fact that the foreskin is a functional sensory organ and cutting it off is going to distort the way the penis works and feels, peoples' feelings would get hurt and they would accuse them of being "biased". At least the UK version mentioned the protective aspect of the foreskin, but they still fall into the rut of neglecting …
/r/MensRights12/02/18 12:45 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure that they wouldn't change--at least some of them may. In Egypt, something like 90% of adult women are cut and many of them vociferously defended FGM as a religious ritual, but it's since been banned for females over there, and the culture has been changing slowly so that fewer and fewer people accept it. I mean, I get your point and there are likely to be holdouts, but there is even a growing number of Jewish people opposing MGM. There is even some opposition to it from a Q…
/r/MensRights12/02/18 12:33 PM
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It's not an attempt to one-up anyone. I used the term because I noticed the author was engaging in that fallacy and in fact glorifying it as if it were a legitimate type of logical argument. So I mentioned it, using the term that applied in the situation at hand. Logical fallacies are a common problem in philosophical discussions, to the extent that the different fallacies have been named. Some of them are generally referred to by Latin names; others by English names. Ad hominem is more commonly…
/r/MensRights12/02/18 12:02 PM
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It's a frequently used term in philosophical discussions and one of the first terms one would learn in a high school level philosophy/ethics class. I'm not going to spend time trying to intentionally dumb-down my vocabulary below the high school level to please someone's anti-intellectual sensibilities.
/r/MensRights12/02/18 11:49 AM
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I understand well what ad hominem means. Saying (I paraphrase) "your arguments relating to abortion are irrelevant because you're a man" or "if you're not a 'POC' then you need to shut up about issue X because your opinion doesn't matter", as the author of this article does? Yeah, those are examples of fallacious ad hominem arguments.
/r/MensRights12/02/18 11:40 AM
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In all cases [of masturbation] circumcision is undoubtedly the physicians' closest friend and ally...To obtain the best results one must cut away enough skin and mucous membrane to rather put it on the stretch when erections come later. There must be no play in the skin after the wound has thoroughly healed, but it must fit tightly over the penis, for should there be any play the patient will be found to readily resume his practice, not begrudging the time and extra energy required to produce th…
/r/MensRights12/02/18 06:44 AM
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That piece is blatantly glorifying and condoning the ad hominem fallacy.
/r/MensRights12/02/18 06:12 AM
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I've heard of this film. It's interesting that they mention Initiates are reportedly sometimes assaulted and denied food and water, raising the question of whether circumcision should continue enjoying the privilege of secrecy. Because I was having a discussion a while ago on another subreddit, when someone opined that male "circumcision" (I paraphrase) "isn't secret like FGM" and "happens in the open", which supposedly tied into why it's "not as bad". Both male and female genital mutilation are…
/r/MensRights12/02/18 05:03 AM
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If someone tries to claim that the word 'amputation" doesn't apply, you can point them to the fact that not only does so-called "male circumcision" meet the definition of amputation as provided by Merriam-Webster, but additionally that there is considerable precedence for using the term with reference to cutting off foreskins--even by the AAP. There are three methods of circumcision that are commonly used in the newborn male. These all include the use of devices: the Gomco clamp, the Plastibell …
/r/MensRights09/02/18 02:47 AM
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There is currently no way to actually undo a foreskin amputation. There are both surgical and non-surgical methods of reconstructing a facsimile of a foreskin, but virtually no reliable data on safety, efficacy or patient satisfaction with any of these methods exists. It's possible that in the future, advances in medical technology will enable the foreskin to be regrown, sort of like how a salamander can regrow an ablated arm. Whether this will actually happen within our lifetimes is impossible …
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:43 PM
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My point is that I am thankful for being circumcised as a baby and if done right is harmless to the baby and riskier as an adult. It is not harmless to the baby. It is the needless and irreversible removal of specialized sensory tissues that fundamentally shape the way the penis works and feels, and once lost cannot be regained. Take a bit of time to check out the video I linked you to in another reply to one of your posts, as well as this one. If you want to do some in-depth reading on the anat…
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:14 PM
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Cut women from cutting cultures generally support female genital cutting. The UNICEF 2013 Report on FGM/C identifies Sierra Leone as one of the highest prevalence countries with 88 per cent of girls and women ages 15-49 circumcised. Of this number, only 26 percent want to see the practice end. http://www.thesierraleonetelegraph.com/yes-i-am-passionate-about-the-bondo-society-says-dr-sia-ahmadu/ I think if done right, there is little to no loss of srnsation. You lose all the sensation in the part…
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:06 PM
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Thanks for sharing this. I'm watching it right now.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:42 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear what you have been through, but thank you for sharing your experience.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:05 AM
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Female forms of NGC fall on a wide spectrum across societies (Shell-Duncan & Hernlund, 2000). Although the most severe forms, such as infibulation (narrowing of the vaginal opening) combined with partial or complete excision of the external clitoris or clitoral glans,[vii] are often emphasized in Western media accounts (Njambi, 2004; Shweder, 2000; Wade, 2009), such forms are statistically exceptional, occurring in about 10% of cases according to available estimates (Abdulcadir et al., 2012). Su…
/r/MensRights08/02/18 05:59 AM
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The first of those ideas is a gross oversimplification that is often utterly wrong. I really suggest taking a look at this article for further information.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 01:14 AM
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Gynecologists Kavita Shah Arora and Allan Jacobs said procedures that slightly changed the look of a girl’s genitalia without damaging them were comparable to male circumcision or cosmetic procedures in Western countries like labiaplasty. Laws against mild modifications were “culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women”, they wrote in the specialist journal, which is published by the British Medical Journal. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-fgm-law/female-gen…
/r/MensRights07/02/18 10:05 PM
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Take 15 minutes to watch this brief lecture (NSFW) by the anatomist and pathology professor Ken McGrath of Auckland University of Technology. You'll learn a lot.
/r/MensRights07/02/18 04:28 PM
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Depends on the society. https://web.archive.org/web/20160904205714/ttp://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/03/25/asia-pacific/social-issues-asia-pacific/female-circumcision-not-mutilation-jakarta#.WnqPjnxG3cs
/r/MensRights07/02/18 05:34 AM
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Female forms of NGC fall on a wide spectrum across societies (Shell-Duncan & Hernlund, 2000). Although the most severe forms, such as infibulation (narrowing of the vaginal opening) combined with partial or complete excision of the external clitoris or clitoral glans,[vii] are often emphasized in Western media accounts (Njambi, 2004; Shweder, 2000; Wade, 2009), such forms are statistically exceptional, occurring in about 10% of cases according to available estimates (Abdulcadir et al., 2012). Su…
/r/MensRights07/02/18 05:22 AM
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I hear you, man. It wasn't my intention to upset you, but I feel it's important to correct the "just a flap of skin" myth wherever possible.
/r/MensRights07/02/18 03:13 AM
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I'm not sure. Try this other link to the same video but from a different uploader and see if that works. (as it's the exact same video as above, obv. it is also NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw
/r/MensRights07/02/18 02:45 AM
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Are you sure? It opens when I click it.
/r/MensRights07/02/18 12:24 AM
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Condolences on the loss of your child. a small flap of skin Take a few minutes to correct that misconception. (Mildly NSFW)
/r/MensRights06/02/18 05:53 AM
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According to Maimonides, The perfection and perpetuation of this Law can only be achieved if circumcision is performed in childhood. For this there are three wise reasons. The first is that if the child were let alone until he grew up, he would sometimes not perform it. The second is that a child does not suffer as much pain as a grown-up man because his membrane is still soft and his imagination weak; for a grown-up man would regard the thing, which he would imagine before it occurred, as terri…
/r/MensRights04/02/18 10:29 PM
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You might want to tag this as NSFW. The picture of that poor boy's degloved penis is absolutely horrifying.
/r/MensRights04/02/18 09:53 PM
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There's also the matter of the phony phimosis diagnosis.
/r/MensRights03/02/18 05:22 PM
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I think we have to draw the line at what goes past the rule of law. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338602
/r/MensRights02/02/18 08:44 PM
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The American Academy of Pediatrics came close to endorsing that position back in 2010.
/r/MensRights02/02/18 03:48 PM
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Murder is universally despised and outlawed in all counties and societies Well, not really. They probably wouldn't themselves call it "murder" or the more similar term in their language, rather using some other, glorifying term for it, but many societies all over the world have have committed ritual murder throughout history. Ritual murder still occurs even today in the 21st century.
/r/MensRights02/02/18 03:43 PM
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Khatna is also part of an established and widely recognized religious custom. “It is a religious practice for us. But the way it has been portrayed is extremely nasty. I am a Muslim and I follow Shariat, and I feel there is nothing wrong with the practice of female circumcision,” said a 35-year-old Dubai-based businesswoman who was cut at the age of seven-and-a-half. “I have no traumatic memory of the day. I recall wearing my favourite purple dress. My mother told me that we were going to my gra…
/r/MensRights02/02/18 03:37 PM
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For a lot of relevant information on this topic, check out Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW)
/r/MensRights02/02/18 02:25 AM
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Which may be necessary for villages in the middle of the desert without access to clean water. Even that is a myth.
/r/MensRights02/02/18 02:20 AM
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You're right that female genital cutting is not mentioned in the Quran, but neither is male genital cutting either. Support for both MGC and FGC in Islam comes largely from hadiths. And no, FGC is not universal among all Muslims. But it's near-universal among the communities that do practice it, which collectively would comprise a population of hundreds of millions of people. And it is widely considered a religious practice in societies that practice it, notably in Muslim societies that practice…
/r/MensRights01/02/18 09:06 PM
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I would suggest taking a half hour to watch, with an open mind, Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital. (NSFW) After watching this fairly short educational video, if you have further questions I'm sure a lot of people here would be willing to discuss them with you.
/r/MensRights01/02/18 02:24 AM
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Or perhaps a deeply wounded person in denial.
/r/MensRights01/02/18 02:16 AM
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Also, even in cultures that cut girls more severely, most of the women in those cultures support it and say that they're just fine and that it's "offensive" to call it "mutilation". The ones who complain about it are in the minority. In Sierra Leone, 3 in 4 cut women support continuing the practice, and female circumcision in Sierra Leone often includes clitoral and labial excision. http://www.thesierraleonetelegraph.com/yes-i-am-passionate-about-the-bondo-society-says-dr-sia-ahmadu/ The UNICEF …
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:27 PM
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Why do the benefits outweigh the risks only in America? Because the AAP gave an incredibly misleading position statement back in 2012 (which, incidentally, has now expired) that was based on "a feeling". They themselves admitted that "the true incidence of complications after newborn circumcision is unknown" and in a later publication, one of the members of the circumcision committee came forward and admitted that they were factoring in "religious" and "cultural"--i.e. NONMEDICAL "benefits", and…
/r/MensRights31/01/18 09:12 PM
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Do you have a link to that study? It would be interesting to read.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 11:41 PM
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It's funny how "getting rich" is lauded by these guys as such a great thing, such a sign of being an individualist providing valuable services for humanity, unless you got rich in a way that fucks with the big corporations' profit margins. Then suddenly you should be ashamed of yourself for getting rich. Reminds me of an old story about blowing hot and cold with the same breath.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 08:05 PM
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I think at least some kids are in a sense "taught to be stupid" because if they start thinking too deeply or contradicting adults (even if the adults actually are mistaken in some case) they get punished for it. So they learn to suppress philosophical thinking. This carries over into adulthood which is how you get a society of "obedient workers" George Carlin talked about.
/r/MensRights30/01/18 07:27 PM
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No one has yet to provide any sort of proof that this happens Dr. James C. Burt's mutilations, which occurred from the 50's into the 80's, have been well-documented. Later he went far beyond so-called "husband stitching", but he did in fact mutilate countless women in his care in many ways, including using sutures for the expressed purpose of "tightening them up" for their husbands after they gave birth. In fact, that's how he started before moving on to more extreme forms of mutilation: "Betwee…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 07:14 PM
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This instance of medical malpractice has nothing to do with the urban legend of the "husband's stitch". Well, it does, partly because he also did that too. And the concept of genital cutting on helpless women without their consent after they've just given birth by someone they trust is the major contention of the issue at hand. And even if it did, it still it's a case of medical malpractice by a single doctor Thousands of cases, actually. He did this to thousands of women over a decades-long per…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:03 PM
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Yeah, it's safe to say that medical malpractice is arguably worse than something which doesn't even exist. This is medical malpractice of doctors mutilating their patients after childbirth, for supposed "sexual benefits", without their patients consent. That's what the news segment I shared is about, and that is the substantial crux of the matter being discussed. The article itself shared in the OP even says that the so-called "husband's stitch" does exist, so you didn't even read the article in…
/r/MensRights29/01/18 04:34 PM
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That some surgeons have genitally mutilated women after childbirth is a fact. These operations are arguably WORSE than this so-called "husband's stitch", so substantially speaking the parallel is there. The article you linked to even says that this "Husband's stitch" type is real but rare and has been performed. Did you even read the article that you yourself shared?
/r/MensRights29/01/18 06:39 AM
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James C. Burt, M.D., a gynecologist in Dayton Ohio, mutilated thousands of women in the 1960's, 70's and 80's, performing clitoral circumcision and surgically altering vaginas without consent, after his patients had been heavily anesthetized for childbirth.
/r/MensRights29/01/18 05:29 AM
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According to Chomsky, that's basically along the lines of what Adam Smith was talking about with the whole "invisible hand" thing.
/r/MensRights23/01/18 05:34 AM
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There are different "styles" of male circumcision (the four main ones are high and tight, low and tight, high and loose, and low and loose--and there are sub-types within those divisions--and there are other types of male genital cutting that aren't generally referred to as "circumcision" but are still damaging to the penis, like penile subincision), so two guys can both be circumcised but have had different amounts and types of penile tissue removed. The falsehood that keeps getting repeated is…
/r/MensRights21/01/18 09:25 PM
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There really is no universally-applicable standard for what constitutes "male circumcision" (Mildly NSFW--also, Wallerstein's description of the foreskin as a "fold of skin" is outdated and oversimplified; he is however correct about the lack of standardization). The amounts and types of tissue removed can vary widely from one cut to the next, even when performed by doctors (in fact, urologists can be the provenance of some of the most severe and extreme cuts such as the so-called "beauty cut" c…
/r/MensRights19/01/18 07:12 AM
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FGM Type 1 is divided into subtypes 1A and 1B. Type 1A is the type where the clitoral prepuce gets ablated. In Type 1B the prepuce and the clitoral glans get ablated.
/r/MensRights18/01/18 10:19 PM
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Glad to be of help.
/r/MensRights14/01/18 07:42 PM
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You said a whole lot with just that one powerful sentence.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 07:53 PM
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It would be "safer" to have a doctor cut off your son's perfectly normal hand and cauterize the stump, or dig out your daughter's healthy eye, or tattoo your son or daughter on their forehead, versus doing it yourself. But that doesn't mean any of this should be legal. Doctors exist to treat and prevent disease; not to carve children's bodies into their parent's preferred shapes for nontherapeutic reasons.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 07:44 PM
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Speaking of evolution, check out this article about the evolution of the foreskin.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 07:10 PM
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I would assume that doctors understand that doing it professionally and doing it at home is the lesser of two evils. So do you oppose the prosecution or not? It's not that hard a question. What Im talking about is a CONSERVATIVE MENS RIGHTS group, focusing on something that only effects immigrants and muslims, instead of more wide spread mens health issues. It does not only affect immigrants and Muslims. Almost all children born in Britain are British citizens by birth and therefore not immigran…
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:57 PM
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Or be intrepreted as a desire to bring the white establishment down on people with brown skin. Girls "with brown skin" have the same legal protection that "white" girls have in the UK against genital cutting. Neither skin color, nor religion, nor culture, nor custom serve as legal excuses for genital cutting when it's a girl. Or do you support letting "brown people" cut their girls in the UK, thereby denying "brown girls" the full protection under British law that they're entitled to?
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:39 PM
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Because it singles out certain religions, and its up to those religions to sort themselves out. So by that logic, you oppose the prosecution of Dr. Nagarwala for circumcising baby girls in Michigan too, right?
/r/MensRights13/01/18 06:28 PM
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The article in the OP is six months old. Here's an update.
/r/MensRights13/01/18 05:59 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29210334
/r/MensRights12/01/18 07:10 PM
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Can anyone inform me as to why circumcision is such an issue? I'd be happy to share some information with you. Check out the following videos, which you are likely to find very informative. Note that they are NSFW. Anatomy of the Penis: Penile and Foreskin Neurology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c Circumcision - a sexual harm? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB-2aQoTQeA Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I The Prepuce: Anatomy an…
/r/MensRights12/01/18 06:09 PM
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Just look up what Ayaan Ali has to say about it. You may be surprised if you look up what she has to say about male circumcision
/r/MensRights10/01/18 10:36 AM
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Find me an example of that. Khatna has been given a bad name, say Bohra women from around the world Also, circumcision is just the removal of a thin layer of skin That's a myth. The male prepuce is a highly specialized organ that is a double-sided fold of various types of tissues. The outer portion is skin, but the inner portion is mucosal tissue similar to that found inside the mouth or vagina. At the transitional zone between these two types of tissue is the mucocutaneous junction, where the r…
/r/MensRights10/01/18 10:24 AM
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What is the title of the book? Maybe you could also share some info with r/intactivists as well.
/r/MensRights10/01/18 10:00 AM
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Try not to let your opponents use ad hominem attacks and other red herrings to take control of the debate.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 03:25 PM
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For the school to ask students if they're white as a test question like this is an attack against those of part-European/part-Caucasian ancestry. It's like saying, "Which one are you? Pick a side." It's actually pretty racist.
/r/MensRights07/01/18 02:10 PM
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The prepuce is a specialized, specific erogenous tissue in both males and females. Therefore, surgical excision should be restricted to lesions that are unresponsive to medical therapy, such as lichen sclerosis of the penis (balanitis xerotica obliterans) or vulva, which is unresponsive to other therapies (e.g. topical clobetasol, intralesional corticosteroids, topical testosterone propionate ointment, etretinate, and carbon dioxide or laser vaporization) [99]. Preputial plasty [100] should be c…
/r/MensRights01/01/18 07:53 AM
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I mean, I'm sure it was emotionally devastating for him to have his genitals cut off in the first place as well.
/r/MensRights31/12/17 03:50 AM
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It's very sad. I wonder how many of them were also penectomized in addition to losing their testicles. Castration in China removed all external genitalia, including all the external penile tissue; parents would have this done so their sons could serve as eunuch servants in the imperial court. The boy's pickled genitals would be kept in a jar and they would get told that when they died they would reunite with their organs in the afterlife. I read about the last Chinese imperial eunuch, who died a…
/r/MensRights31/12/17 03:00 AM
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Keep talking about it and sharing information. There's so much people don't know about circumcision and there's a saying that goes, "Circumcision: The more you know, the more you're against it".
/r/MensRights29/12/17 04:54 AM
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You should check out this book called Circumcision: The Hidden Trauma by the Boston psychologist Ronald Goldman. It's got a lot of good info in it and it may lead you to some resources that could perhaps help you out. The book is about 20 years old and parts of it are outdated, but a lot of it is still very relevant.
/r/MensRights18/12/17 09:17 PM
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I feel for you. Take care of yourself and don't work too hard (I know you hardly have a choice, but in my opinion if you're doing okay gradewise, it's okay to skip the odd class session here and there to rest if you need to, if it's not a big test day. This might not work for everyone, and obviously you shouldn't do it too much, but it's what I would do if I felt the need. School is important but it's not worth frying your brain over).
/r/MensRights02/12/17 04:49 AM
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I'm thinking something may have been lost in the Google translation.
/r/MensRights30/11/17 05:48 AM
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The argument to circumcise a female for any reason, is to injure that female. Nothing to do with cleanliness or pleasure. From the OP article: “We do not mutilate or cut our girls. Our religion requires it and it actually helps to keep the area clean and hygienic and prevents infections,” said Asiff Hussein, vice president at the Centre for Islamic Studies in Sri Lanka. “In fact, this procedure actually helps women gain more pleasure during sexual intercourse.”
/r/MensRights30/11/17 05:38 AM
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English Google translate version
/r/MensRights28/11/17 10:59 PM
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P¬)) What is that?
/r/MensRights21/10/17 03:01 AM
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But there's no known record of him having ever even written "I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" or any variation thereof, either. It's more Evelyn Beatrice Hall's "conception of Voltaire's viewpoint", as the article said, rather than her paraphrase of an actually documented quotation.
/r/MensRights19/10/17 03:22 PM
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In a 1770 letter, Voltaire wrote “I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write" Actually, there is no known record of Voltaire having written this. [M]any researchers have attempted to find the quotation in the works of Voltaire, but it has never been located. Evelyn Beatrice Hall probably crafted the statement which was disseminated in her 1906 work titled “The Friends of Voltaire”. Hall’s words memorably and gracefully reflected her concept…
/r/MensRights18/10/17 10:17 PM
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Perhaps you could also share this on r/intactivists.
/r/MensRights15/10/17 01:03 AM
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The practice of circumcision began due to the unclean living conditions of the past. That's a common misconception. Although many nineteenth century misconceptions about the foreskin have been dispelled since Douglas Gairdner showed that infantile phimosis was not a congenital defect, other old ideas have proved more persistent. Among the most ubiquitous are the proposition that ritual or religious circumcision arose as a hygiene or sanitary measure; and the related idea that allied troops servi…
/r/MensRights14/10/17 08:51 PM
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The anatomy of the human body, including the sexual anatomy, is a matter of objective scientific fact. It's not a matter of "left" or "right" any more than the anatomy of your hand, the theory of gravity, the pH scale, or the movements of the tides are. The topic is not ridiculous. It seems that you are afraid to really research this issue, and that is unfortunate. I hope you will eventually be able to get over your fear and learn about this issue without prejudice.
/r/MensRights14/10/17 01:47 AM
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You really need to do some more research. Take 15 minutes to watch this brief lecture [NSFW] by the anatomist and pathology professor Dr. Ken McGrath. When you have a little more time, say a day or so, check out this review [NSFW] by Drs. Christopher Cold and John Taylor. Both of these resources will help you learn a lot about the foreskin and its functions. Ignorance is not bliss. You deserve to be a well-informed person, and I hope you'll make the effort to realize that end.
/r/MensRights14/10/17 01:41 AM
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What do you know about the functions of the foreskin?
/r/MensRights14/10/17 01:25 AM
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It's worth mentioning that Dr. Ahmadu supports allowing parents to have their daughter's clitoral hoods ablated without the daughter's consent and she uses the acceptance of male infant/child circumcision as a justification for that. Her misleadingly-named "African Women Are Free to Choose" organization has the following in their position statement: Allow parental discretion for WHO Type I, the removal of the prepuce of the exposed clitoral glans. This is the type of female circumcision that is …
/r/MensRights10/10/17 02:58 AM
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George Denniston, M.D., M.P.H., president of Doctors Opposing Circumcision, discusses the issue of circumcision and why ethical doctors oppose genital cutting of children. [NSFW]
/r/MensRights08/10/17 11:38 AM
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Opinion: It's Time to Give Up Circumcision Judaism can survive in the post-ethnic world only if its rabbis give up the ceremony of cutting off babies' foreskins of their own initiative Yigal Ben-Nun Oct 04, 2017 2:34 AM Circumcision, eating restrictions and resting on Shabbat differentiated Jews from the polytheistic nations of the Hellenist world and the Roman Empire. But during the period of the Jewish commonwealth and most of the Persian period, residents of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah d…
/r/MensRights05/10/17 03:17 AM
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South Africa initiation schools: botched circumcisions, kidnap and death threats
/r/MensRights03/10/17 10:55 PM
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Good to hear. I look forward to seeing the videos.
/r/MensRights03/10/17 08:57 PM
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One rarely if ever hears the term "botched circumcision" used in reference to female circumcisions that caused more damage than expected.
/r/MensRights03/10/17 07:38 PM
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To me it seems notable that the Times used the term male genital mutilation. No scare quotes either. Progress is happening.
/r/MensRights03/10/17 09:49 AM
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Considering this penis form is universal across all humans Human penises come in many different shapes; while the basic natural structure is roughly the same in most cases, natural and artificially-induced variations are myriad. Not all men's coronas flare out so much or otherwise act so much as "scrapers"; some do to a greater extent, others less so. Speaking to the point on artificial variation, there is the fact that the penis evolved to work with an intact foreskin, which fundamentally shape…
/r/MensRights30/09/17 03:43 AM
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The fact that the male penis is a ejaculation removal tool more than an ejaculation insertion tool is extremely rare in mammalian biology. The idea that the corona of the glans evolved to scoop out the semen of previous partners is simply a hypothesis put forth by Professor Gordon Gallup and a few of his colleagues. There is nowhere near enough evidence to call it a fact. The supposed empirical evidence for the hypothesis comes from experiments with sex toys, not real human genitalia.
/r/MensRights30/09/17 02:28 AM
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Here are some more links that might be of interest to you, even be they not the one you're specifically requesting. Khatna has been given a bad name, say Bohra women from around the world FGM Defenders in Egypt Fuambai Ahmadu's web site
/r/MensRights29/09/17 01:36 AM
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As far as I can tell this is the original media publication of the story. It does seem you are right that the author has not cited a primary source like an official report from the committee, though he does quote a couple of the committee members. Over the coming weeks I'll keep an eye out for some publication of an official report or similar from the committee, although I'm not sure when or whether it will be released in English. The author of the article has a link to his Twitter at the bottom…
/r/MensRights27/09/17 08:31 AM
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The bot here has reposted part of a comment on the article, not exactly a condensed version of the article itself.
/r/MensRights27/09/17 07:51 AM
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http://www.flanderstoday.eu/current-affairs/ethics-committee-rules-against-infant-circumcision
/r/MensRights27/09/17 07:20 AM
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I'm just worried that I saw how I talked, calmly, logically, pointing out actual sources.... and it got dismissed as full bs by people who weren't even able to name the part removed in circumcision, or to know its functions, people who asked "but don't the nerves grow back if you cut early enough ?". For future reference: Although the circumcision scar has not been thoroughly studied, there are several different theories as to what happens when the nerves of the sensory receptors of the prepuce …
/r/MensRights27/09/17 06:24 AM
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That's an interesting idea! If it were made into a movie I would watch it.
/r/MensRights27/09/17 04:48 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear that happened. Thank you for sharing your experience.
/r/MensRights26/09/17 12:12 PM
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You are the one making removal of some skin akin to losing a limb. The male prepuce isn't just "some skin" (mildly NSFW), and its ablation is quite regularly referred to as an amputation in medical journals and other academic publications. It has been referred to as an amputation by even the American Academy of Pediatrics. METHODS OF CIRCUMCISION There are three methods of circumcision that are commonly used in the newborn male. These all include the use of devices: the Gomco clamp, the Plastibe…
/r/MensRights25/09/17 07:17 AM
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And yet it's still getting boosted by the media even now. It's very unfortunate.
/r/MensRights24/09/17 01:27 AM
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Actually, no. I didn't notice that.
/r/MensRights24/09/17 12:04 AM
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There's more to this circumcision promotional video than a depiction of infant circumcision, which is a big part of why I shared it here. The bizarrely incongruous music the original creators (not the person who added the text comments at the beginning and end) chose to open and close the film; the eerily calm demeanor of the doctor as she discusses the pain the infant is going through, the petroleum jelly aftercare procedures, and the symptoms of the infected penis wound he may develop as a res…
/r/MensRights23/09/17 10:07 AM
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I found this part to be particularly interesting. While the intent behind female genital mutilation isn't sexual gratification, to arouse, humiliate, degrade or harass the victim, but rather rooted in religious or cultural tradition, it still meets the definition of sexual assault, Assistant U.S. Attorney Sarah Woodward said during a previous detention hearing.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 09:09 AM
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The argument has been made that MGM is actually already illegal in the US under existing laws, which are simply not being enforced with respect to this matter.
/r/MensRights23/09/17 06:01 AM
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That's why no man, cut or intact, has ever experienced sexual pleasure through intercourse. Trust me, sexual pleasure comes from burning your genitals or poking them hard enough to hurt. It's science!
/r/MensRights23/09/17 12:16 AM
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I reached out to Jennifer Bossio to ask for clarification. As far as I can tell, her conclusion is based on the fact that the foreskin was not shown to be “more sensitive” than other penile sites on two additional tests her group used: (1) a “heat pain” test (this is the same as the “warmth detection” test, only turned up until it got hot enough to hurt), and (2) the underpowered “pain threshold” test that I already mentioned (which is the same as the “tactile threshold” test using the filaments…
/r/MensRights22/09/17 11:50 PM
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I've mentioned before that this type of MGM seems disproportionately common in Asian countries.
/r/MensRights22/09/17 09:44 PM
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Bossio's idea that heat perception is more important to male sexual pleasure than sensations provided by gentle touch stimulation is based on the conjecture of Guy Cox, John Krieger, and Brian Morris. If you don't know who those guys are, do some research on them. You'll learn some interesting things. Bossio's idea that the sensation of burning pain (as opposed to the sensation of warmth) is the vital type of heat-induced sensation most relevant to male sexual pleasure is I believe her own conje…
/r/MensRights22/09/17 07:36 PM
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Bossio cites a review by Brian Morris and Guy Cox as the reference for the idea that heat perception is more important than gentle tactile perception for male sexual pleasure, though at that point she does not draw a distinction between warmth and burning pain. The idea that heat perception (but not specifically heat-induced pain perception--that seems to be Bossio's own conjecture) is more important than tactile sensation for male sexual pleasure is based upon Morris and Cox's speculation, but …
/r/MensRights22/09/17 06:36 AM
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I hear you. Another thing is that the temperature of the vagina is only about 37.5 degrees Celsius. That's not that hot--not hot enough to cause penile pain, and only marginally hotter than other parts of the body. So I don't understand how heat PAIN (which they apparently see as more important than both gentle touch sensitivity AND warmth) is supposed to be such an important part of male sexuality--vaginas aren't even hot enough to cause burning pain. So how does a man get pleasure out of inter…
/r/MensRights22/09/17 06:12 AM
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so wait lol they tested the objectively least sensative part of the foreskin and found that it STILL had better fine touch sensativities than the parts a circumcised male has. Yes. Here's some excerpts that'll really throw you for a loop. Penile sensitivity did not differ across circumcision status for any stimulus type or penile site. The foreskin of intact men was more sensitive to tactile stimulation than the other penile sites, but this finding did not extend to any other stimuli (where fore…
/r/MensRights22/09/17 05:35 AM
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This is the closest I have found to an article like that
/r/MensRights22/09/17 05:06 AM
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The so-called study actually found that the outer foreskin (they did not test the ridged band, the smooth mucosa, the frenulum, or the frenular delta), in addition to having the lowest fine touch threshold (meaning it was the most sensitive of the sites they tested, with respect to gentle touch) also had the lowest threshold to sensations of warmth of all the sites of the penis they tested, meaning it was the most sensitive to warmth. When the heat was turned up to more extreme levels, the outer…
/r/MensRights22/09/17 04:25 AM
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The Belief-Conduct Distinction
/r/MensRights15/09/17 12:55 AM
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The foreskin itself has a much more specialized pattern of innervation than the glans. (NSFW) The idea that the glans is the most sensual part is a myth.
/r/MensRights14/09/17 06:29 PM
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Circumcision isn't a big deal. Men don't complain. It's a non-issue. Then if it is an issue for a man and he complains, he gets told he's making a big deal out of nothing--basically that he needs to "man up" and his feelings about having had part of his penis cut off without his consent are invalid feelings he's not allowed to have. And the reason why his feelings are invalid? Because it's a non-issue and men don't complain, therefore it's not a big deal! This is CIRCular reasoning. The same thi…
/r/MensRights11/09/17 04:12 AM
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Most of these really don't look "botched". Outcomes like many of those on that blog are very typical.
/r/MensRights10/09/17 07:07 PM
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People dismiss men who report problems, telling them it's psychological The exact same thing happens in cultures that circumcise women. When a cut woman complains about it, other cut women defending the practice start with the "it's all in your head, you need a therapist, it's tradition, sex still feels good, my daughter was cut and she's fine, I'm cut and I'm fine!" lines. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/khatna-has-been-given-a-bad-name-say-bohra-women-from-around-the-world/article18…
/r/MensRights10/09/17 06:12 PM
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/khatna-has-been-given-a-bad-name-say-bohra-women-from-around-the-world/article18211061.ece According to her, most women refrain from talking about it because of the sexual component involved in it. “I have experienced orgasm. Women who think they have a problematic sex life because of the circumcision should go see a doctor instead of blaming the practice. “I have only sweet memories attached to the day when I was taken for the procedure. My mother and …
/r/MensRights10/09/17 06:10 PM
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I mean the issue with female genital mutilation is that you are basically cutting off somebody's clit (rather than a bit of skin) The male prepuce is not a "bit of skin" (NSFW) Additionally, all forms of female genital cutting in the US have been specifically illegal for 20 years, even forms that do not remove any tissue. Male children can have a massive amount of specialized sensory nerve endings, muscle tissue, the frenulum, and the ridged band crushed and sliced off. Meanwhile so much as maki…
/r/MensRights10/09/17 06:00 PM
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Why not start by replacing David Tomlinson as their "chief expert" on male genital mutilation with someone who actually knows what the male prepuce is, and doesn't have a vested interest in destroying it?
/r/MensRights08/09/17 09:37 PM
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I mean, Fuambai Ahmadu says "What it Means to be Free to Choose" includes letting a girl's parents have the choice to cut off part of her genitals. Allow parental discretion for WHO Type I, the removal of the prepuce of the exposed clitoral glans. This is the type of female circumcision that is analogous with male circumcision, which is not only allowed but prescribed by WHO as a preventive of HIV infection in Africa. The fact that opponents believe the female clitoral foreskin is more sensitive…
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:57 AM
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I don't think it could really be said to be an extreme fringe practice. I understand it is largely confined to the strictly Orthodox (who if I'm not mistaken make up roughly 10-15% of Jewish people worldwide), but extreme fringe suggests it almost never happens, which isn't really the case. It's happening every day, including in the US. TRENTON, N.J. — Potentially thousands of male newborns in a New Jersey community may be exposed each year to a deadly form of herpes from an ultra-Orthodox circu…
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:37 AM
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I've seen a similar "argument" made unironically as a reason to be for female circumcision. Gynecologists Kavita Shah Arora and Allan Jacobs said procedures that slightly changed the look of a girl’s genitalia without damaging them were comparable to male circumcision or cosmetic procedures in Western countries like labiaplasty. Laws against mild modifications were “culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women”, they wrote in the specialist journal, which is published …
/r/MensRights08/09/17 03:31 AM
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The mother's concern is warranted. Without sufficient brainwashing, the poor young girl might get the idea that the destruction of part of her infant brother's penis is an act of violence. The young girl just needs to understand that it's a dirty and evil part of her brother's penis that's getting cut off. Of course it will be vital to reassure her that as a member of the clean sex, all her parts are inherently clean, so nothing like this will ever happen to her. After she understands this, she …
/r/MensRights07/09/17 08:12 PM
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Take the time to watch this brief but highly informative presentation. You will learn a lot about this issue in just a hair over half an hour. Be advised that the video is NSFW.
/r/MensRights04/09/17 06:14 PM
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Gotta share this with people who keep repeating desperate nonsense like "no one outside of Reddit cares that they were circumcised" or "Intactivism just started a few years ago because weak loser millennial men want to cash in on victim culture. Before then it didn't exist". It's interesting to me the sheer depths of absurdity that many of those who defend genital mutilation will sink to. The lies, doublethink, and shaming tactics used in cutting cultures to ridicule and silence circumcised men …
/r/MensRights03/09/17 01:17 AM
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This kind of spousal abuse seems uncommonly common in East/Southeast Asia. I have read of at least 30-40 similar cases in countries like China, Korea, Thailand, etc. I was 90% sure this would be in an Asian country before I even clicked the link.
/r/MensRights02/09/17 09:39 PM
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it's a clipping of skin. Nothing functional is removed or impaired You were lied to or at least grossly misled by whoever told you that. The foreskin is not just skin and it greatly shapes how the penis works and feels. (NSFW) Please take fifteen minutes of your time to learn something new.
/r/MensRights01/09/17 10:27 PM
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Would I be mistaken if I ventured you were fed the lie that what you are missing is "a little flap of skin" or something along those lines? That's not what the foreskin is. (NSFW)
/r/MensRights01/09/17 09:37 PM
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Doctors Opposing Circumcision (NSFW)
/r/MensRights01/09/17 11:23 AM
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Maybe Jacob isn't "uncomfortable in his own skin". Maybe he just likes the dress. I haven't read the book so I wouldn't assume either way.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 03:09 PM
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Far from it. I wish this sub would create an "African Culture" flair. African men face many serious challenges to their civil rights and human rights to a degree that few people in the West could comprehend and I think this is an area of men's rights that needs to be brought to light.
/r/MensRights31/08/17 02:49 PM
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You're right. It really is disgusting. It's hardly more than just victim blaming. He didn't make this "bed". He managed to defend and protect himself from sexual mutilation for years until a bunch of other people finally managed to kidnap him and force him into it. This is not his fault. The way she's framing it is ludicrous.
/r/MensRights30/08/17 08:59 PM
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This essay isn't a study in the sense you seem to be thinking; it's a critique of this study and the way the study's conclusions were reported in the media. Earp is pointing out Bossio et al's methodological limitations and flawed conclusions.
/r/MensRights29/08/17 10:04 PM
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the goals are not the same Sure they are. Conformity, control of sexuality, religion, Stockholm syndrome, myths about hygiene. The motivations are more similar than different. You are talking about a law that prohibits a damaging, and Muslims admit that is the intent, to one that is not and has the opposite intention. Cultures that circumcise women believe they are doing a good thing--that cutting them improves them in some way. Sometimes the reason given is to reduce their sexual sensation. Oth…
/r/MensRights27/08/17 03:54 PM
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The Federal prohibition against female genital cutting prohibits all forms of non-consensual FGC, including forms that are less severe in terms of erogenous tissue loss than common forms of male circumcision. Prohibiting even relatively minor damage to a girl's genitals while tolerating the ablation of a boy's foreskin (which comprises a massive amount of functional erogenous tissue) is unconstitutional as it violates the 14th Amendment. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338602 Even incision…
/r/MensRights27/08/17 11:05 AM
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Female children in the US have been protected from genital cutting for the past 20 years, and religion and culture are not accepted as excuses. Don't try to use "FGM is worse" as a counterargument. The law bans ALL forms of female genital cutting, even forms that are less severe than ablation of the male foreskin. This is the case not just in the US but many other countries as well. Permitting non-consensual male genital cutting while protecting females from it is absolutely a men's right's issu…
/r/MensRights26/08/17 07:52 AM
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Opinion: It’s 2017. Time to Talk About Circumcision The battle over Brit Milah cannot be fought on the backs of helpless infants Rani Kasher Aug 23, 2017 4:03 PM That’s it. It’s irreversible. The practice of Brit Milah (ritual circumcision) is no longer considered an observance about which secular and atheist Jews would rather die than transgress. They talk about it, deliberate and occasionally forgo it. If I had asked 20 years ago how much time it would take before secular people would wake up,…
/r/MensRights26/08/17 06:46 AM
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There are many forms of both FGM and MGM. Many common forms of FGM are far less severe in terms of erogenous tissue loss than the types of MGM commonly euphemised as "male circumcision".
/r/MensRights25/08/17 06:45 PM
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https://aeon.co/essays/are-male-and-female-circumcision-morally-equivalent
/r/MensRights25/08/17 06:44 PM
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The majority of Christian men worldwide are intact. It wasn't common at all in Christian America until the Victorian anti-masturbation movement succeeded in foisting it upon the public under the guise of medicine.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 03:48 PM
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I'm so sorry to hear you went through that. I hope you are recovering well.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 03:20 PM
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China unfortunately has a long history of male genital mutilation, from the tradition of forcing boys to be eunuch slaves for the Imperial Court by being castrated and emasculated, to the government approval of emasculation and castration as punishment for infidelity (known as "gongxing", literally "palace punishment", as similar to emasculated boys, emasculated adulterers would be given unto bondage to the Emperor), to the emerging popularization of circumcision and dorsal nerve destruction for…
/r/MensRights25/08/17 03:10 PM
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What if your son isn't happy about that? Many men resent having been circumcised and wish they were left with a complete penis. As the pernicious lie that the foreskin is "just a bit of extra skin" continues its inevitable path to annihilation thanks to the greater and greater access to information about the organ's functional and erogenous nature, the number of males angry about having had this mutilating intervention forced upon them without their consent is only going to increase.
/r/MensRights25/08/17 02:56 PM
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I'm afraid the first link doesn't work.
/r/MensRights23/08/17 05:22 AM
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Actually circumcision is mentioned many times in the Bible.
/r/MensRights23/08/17 02:50 AM
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My position is that female circumcision shouldn't be protected my the first amendment but male circumcision should. It's not hypocritical despite what you think. It's special pleading, which is a fallacy. Millions of people consider female circumcision to be part of their religion.
/r/MensRights23/08/17 02:37 AM
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There's nothing about male circumcision in the Quran either. http://quransmessage.com/articles/circumcision%20FM3.htm
/r/MensRights23/08/17 02:31 AM
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Barber's Hill Hmm.
/r/MensRights22/08/17 11:28 PM
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But remember, you Can't Compare® this to female genital mutilation! /s
/r/MensRights22/08/17 11:08 AM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3739127/ (NSFW)
/r/MensRights22/08/17 02:06 AM
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It's more than assault; it's battery, mayhem, and quackery.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 10:59 AM
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The victim has since fully recovered and suffered no permanent damage. Unbelievable. The loss of the prepuce is itself permanent damage.
/r/MensRights21/08/17 07:36 AM
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I upvoted your comment because I think you are asking an honest question and deserve to have it answered. Check out these resources and after viewing them, feel free to come back with any further questions or if you want to discuss this more. Note that the following links may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZgF6TyrAHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWfHO8yQaRY
/r/MensRights20/08/17 06:21 PM
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Please, take 30 minutes of your time to watch Ryan McAllister's "Elephant in the Hospital". Afterwards, check out his web site. You will learn a lot, and you will come to understand intactivism a lot better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I (NSFW)
/r/MensRights20/08/17 08:22 AM
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"Man, those guys who complain about having been circumcised are weirdos" "Why are you unhappy about having been circumcised? I've never heard a man complain about it!" Well gee...
/r/MensRights19/08/17 07:26 PM
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That would be nice.
/r/MensRights19/08/17 10:26 AM
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"Hi honey, where have you been? Oh you explored a lost Inca temple in the Peruvian jungle today, that's nice" - no guy ever. Actually I think that would be pretty cool.
/r/MensRights19/08/17 09:32 AM
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So far she's raised $3,200 of her $60,000 goal. I don't want to link to her page, but the name of her fundraising campaign is "Ain't I a Woman Too?". You can look it up with a search engine.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 09:56 AM
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Logic and reasoning are a tool of the Patriarchy. Ever heard of Andrea Nye?
/r/MensRights18/08/17 05:20 AM
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali has already been mentioned, but not to be forgotten is Soraya Mire. http://www.intactamerica.org/soraya
/r/MensRights18/08/17 04:53 AM
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You may be thinking of this study. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265824402_Female_Circumcision_and_HIV_Infection_in_Tanzania_for_Better_or_for_Worse They did find that intact Tanzanian women were more likely to have HIV, but in the end concluded that this must have been caused by some confounding variable they couldn't account for.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 04:40 AM
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No, Fuambai Ahmadu supports legalizing genital cutting of both sexes. She often frames her position in terms of "choice", but this is misleading. Her idea of "choice" includes giving the choice to parents to force genital cutting onto their children. She even started a GoFundMe to support FGM.
/r/MensRights18/08/17 04:29 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if this were actually illegal.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 04:34 AM
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It is pointless, but also has inherent downsides. The amount of tissue destroyed by many typical circumcisions would amount to nearly 15 square inches of sensual tissue in the adult. In cases where urination is impeded, there are a lot of ways to treat that without resorting to such extreme measures. Girls sometimes have issues with urinating due to labial adhesions, but such problems are treated with medicine rather than surgery if at all possible. Unfortunately the bodies of boys are not given…
/r/MensRights10/08/17 05:40 PM
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Here are some resources you may find useful. Keep in mind that some of them may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDqvvGbhzU http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/phony-phimosis-diagnosis.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgoTRMKrJo4
/r/MensRights10/08/17 08:13 AM
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By the way, in my opinion the best video of the lot is the second one I listed--Ryan McAllister's "Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital". If you decide to share just one video with them, that should be the one if you ask me. It is very comprehensive. The Spanish subtitles will likely be helpful too. Ryan's site is also available in Spanish. http://www.notjustskin.org/es
/r/MensRights10/08/17 06:29 AM
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Although MGM is rare in Latin America, a minority of families there circumcise their sons because they think it's a "first world" or "healthy" thing to do. There are even some pro-circ doctors who will give them that impression. The fraudulent medicalization of MGM had far-reaching echo effects, even beyond the Anglosphere.
/r/MensRights10/08/17 06:10 AM
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I know many of the arguments but can you help me find good links that communicate this succinctly and convincingly? Videos? Warning: Due to their frank nature, some of the following videos may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWfHO8yQaRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_BohYj-VMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk0zanvEbS0 What is the argument that demolishes all others? For me, I'd have to say the fact that you're doing something so invasive …
/r/MensRights10/08/17 06:02 AM
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The type of FGM Fuambai Ahmadu chose to undergo is relatively extreme. She had her clitoris and labia (and I would presume her clitoral hood as well) cut off as an adult, as part of an initiation ritual. She claims there's "no difference at all" in sexual sensation/sensitivity before and after, but obviously that's rather hard to swallow. Once tissue is cut off, you can't feel normal sensation in that tissue anymore. [A]nimal studies that show when a nerve is transected, and the distal tissue is…
/r/MensRights09/08/17 10:50 PM
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Why are you unhappy about being circumcised? Men never complain about that. You're the only one. Get a life. Why are so many men complaining about being circumcised? They should just shut up and get over it! It can't be both.
/r/MensRights09/08/17 06:53 PM
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Brother K said his public opposition to circumcision goes back to the 1980s but his work became more organized about five years ago after the American Academy of Pediatrics took a stand that the benefits of circumcision, the removal of the foreskin from the male penis, outweighed the risks. It bears mentioning that the AAP's position has been heavily criticized as culturally biased and logically untenable by many physicians, medical ethicists, and legal experts. Especially noteworthy is the fact…
/r/MensRights07/08/17 10:44 PM
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If you tell someone to kill themselves and they do it you aren't responsible for them taking their own life. Then why is it the case that if you tell someone to kill someone else and they do it, you are responsible? E.G. Charles Manson. He didn't kill anyone by his own hand as far as anyone knows, but he's still a murderer.
/r/MensRights07/08/17 03:58 PM
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A lot of people don't know this, but Ayaan Hirsi Ali is also an intactivist and has publicly stated that male circumcision is worse than some forms of FGM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaEoQVZnN8I
/r/MensRights06/08/17 07:43 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djiTpV__qR4 (NSFW)
/r/MensRights06/08/17 06:10 AM
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Addendum: Here are some more resources you might appreciate. Again, some of these pages may be NSFW. http://www.beyondthebris.com/ http://www.britshalom.info/ http://www.circumstitions.com/
/r/MensRights06/08/17 06:07 AM
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Here are some videos on this topic that you and your husband are likely to find very educational. Be aware that many of these videos by virtue of their frankness are NSFW. Some of them also depict infant circumcision, and as that is by nature an incredibly violent act, the images may be disturbing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDqvvGbhzU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGkZZ-KzpU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw https://www.youtube.com/…
/r/MensRights06/08/17 05:56 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTObX2u7FPQ
/r/MensRights06/08/17 12:23 AM
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I get the feeling you're asking this question in good faith, and if that's the case then you certainly deserve some good faith responses in return. These videos might help you understand the opposition to the practice of MGM. Be advised that while none of these videos are pornographic, due to the subject matter they may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlSq2HvqYOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfGkZ…
/r/MensRights31/07/17 01:10 AM
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There really isn't any good reason to suppose that loss of the glans clitoris would result in a greater sensory deficit than the loss of the male prepuce. In most cases the male prepuce consists in more tissue than the glans clitoris, and it is estimated to contain more nerve endings. Also, in human males, it's the foreskin rather than the glans that has the more advanced sensibility, due to its much more specialized pattern of innervation. Unlike in many other animals, the human male glans has …
/r/MensRights30/07/17 11:42 PM
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Pretty much all Malaysian Muslims, male and female, were circumcised as children (though in Malaysia it's often boys who are cut much more severely than girls, and some girls are only "symbolically" mutilated, as with a needle prick). Maybe Malaysian couples would have fewer issues with intimacy if they at least were given the option of being able to keep their genitals intact and unviolated.
/r/MensRights27/07/17 04:33 PM
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Given that there are accounts of men who say sex is more pleasurable, obviously that's not an objective fact – it's a subjective experience. It is an objective fact that removal of sensory tissue results in the loss of sensation in the tissue that was removed. Fuambai Ahmadu had her clitoral glans and labia (and presumably her prepuce) voluntarily removed as an adult and said sex is just as pleasurable as it was before. Physiologically speaking it isn't possible that it would feel the same as sh…
/r/MensRights27/07/17 05:20 AM
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For reasons of privacy I generally don't answer personal questions of such a nature. I've read several accounts of men who say sex is more pleasurable since being circumcised. There are likewise many accounts of men who said sex was much less pleasurable since being circumcised. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtN7JmMUfZE The objective fact is that circumcision removes all sensory capacity in the tissue that gets ablated. Therefore sensitivity is inherently reduced. There is no part of the body …
/r/MensRights27/07/17 01:10 AM
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I've seen some of your videos on Youtube. Thank you very much for all your hard work.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 10:10 PM
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RIP
/r/MensRights26/07/17 10:08 PM
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I think deep down he's a nice guy I don't think so. You might want to do a little more research on him and his affiliations.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:32 PM
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A non-functional, excess webbing ...is not what the foreskin is. Please see this video; take 15 minutes of your time to learn, at least to some extent, what the foreskin actually is and how it functions. Potentially NSFW due to a very brief depiction of genitalia in a scientific context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:07 PM
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Circumcision inherently decreases sensitivity because sensory tissue from the penis is removed. The foreskin isn't some dead, insensate thing hanging from the end of the penis; it is in fact the most sensual part of the penis with by far the most advanced pattern of innervation. Once tissue is removed, all the sensitivity in the removed tissue is gone.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 09:01 PM
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It's worth mentioning that circumcision is not a universally standardized procedure, and the results of one circumcision can be vastly different from those of the next. There is no universally applied specific standard for how much tissue to remove, nor even a universally aplied specific standard for exactly what type of tissue is to be removed. Some newer circumcision styles such as the so-called "beauty cut" leave the penis in such a different state from the results of old-fashioned Gomco clam…
/r/MensRights26/07/17 08:39 PM
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So you're operating under the belief that the foreskin is not genital tissue. That is a grossly mistaken premise. When you have a moment, please see this brief video from the anatomist and pathology professor Ken McGrath, of Auckland University of Technology. You will learn a lot. There is very brief depiction of nudity in a scientific context, so it may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c In addition, I would like to mention how girls also have a homologue to the foreskin--the …
/r/MensRights26/07/17 06:08 PM
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I was also making the argument that we still have a choice to give our kids a choice. You don't have the "choice to give your kid a choice" if that kid is a girl. Her "choice" as to whether she wants to keep all her genitalia is protected legally.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 05:43 PM
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Why is that? The foreskin is a useful and sensual part of the male body.
/r/MensRights26/07/17 03:39 PM
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Thank you for bringing this to attention. Hardly anyone in the west has ever heard of "dry sex" in this context and more attention should be drawn to it. Really a very stupid practice.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 08:09 PM
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You're welcome. Feel free to check out this very thorough article at your convenience for further information. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christiane-northrup/circumcision_b_3443415.html
/r/MensRights25/07/17 07:13 PM
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Her arguments were she didn't want to have to clean it She wouldn't have had to do any special cleaning. The foreskin of a baby boy is fused to the glans and retracting it in a misguided attempt to "clean" it is dangerous. An intact baby boy's organ only requires cleaning of the outside, just like you would clean a finger. The idea that it's difficult to clean an intact baby's penis is a complete myth.
/r/MensRights25/07/17 07:03 PM
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she counters with it reduces chances of HPV A vaccine exists for HPV, and some studies have actually shown an INCREASED prevalence of HPV in circumcised men. HIV The studies purporting to show that MGM was an efficacious way of preventing HIV suffered from massive methodological flaws and are additionally inapplicable to a Western context. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22320006 It's interesting to note that in a study that showed that in Tanzania, circumcised WOMEN were far less likely to …
/r/MensRights25/07/17 01:37 AM
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A massive number of Americans live in states that don't put questions to referendum. https://ballotpedia.org/States_with_initiative_or_referendum
/r/MensRights24/07/17 11:04 AM
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This really seems like series of publicity stunts to me. I'm having a hard time believing this woman (whom I'd never even heard of until last week or so) believes a word of her own nonsense. Maybe I'm off-base here; who knows? I'm just sharing the vibes I'm getting.
/r/MensRights20/07/17 11:03 AM
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FGM isn't "a religious requirement" It is considered to be one by many people. Of course that's irrelevant as there is no religious exemption for FGM in countries where it is banned. The practice is internationally recognized as a human rights violation Not in Indonesia. http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/03/25/asia-pacific/social-issues-asia-pacific/female-circumcision-not-mutilation-jakarta/ It differs from male circumcision which involves the removal of foreskin A common form of FGM involv…
/r/MensRights19/07/17 08:46 AM
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-fgm-law-idUSKCN0VV2LE Gynecologists Kavita Shah Arora and Allan Jacobs said procedures that slightly changed the look of a girl's genitalia without damaging them were comparable to male circumcision or cosmetic procedures in Western countries like labiaplasty. Laws against mild modifications were "culturally insensitive and supremacist and discriminatory towards women", they wrote in the specialist journal, which is published by the British Medical Journa…
/r/MensRights18/07/17 03:52 PM
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I don't have the energy to write you a detailed response but these pages will likely be of interest. http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm http://www.circumstitions.com/Stitions&refs.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng https://www.littleimages.org/blog/nursing-home-debate/
/r/MensRights17/07/17 03:17 AM
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A lot of this is due to a tower of mistaken ideas so high that scaling it to bring it down story by story is beyond most peoples' patience. Most people know very little about this issue. They don't know the history of male circumcision and how it is well-documented that over the years it has long been about controlling male sexuality. The documents from Kellogg, Spratling, Wolbarst, et al speak to this very clearly. Even centuries ago, Maimonides wrote about how the "real purpose" of circumcisio…
/r/MensRights17/07/17 02:24 AM
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I agree with you on that point, but teaching the anatomy of the male prepuce just to boys would at least be less stupid than teaching it to no one at all.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 12:06 PM
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The "bit of skin" argument is based on a false premise, and is therefore unsound. The male prepuce is not just "a bit of skin". Below link is potentially NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c This should be taught in sex ed in high school, at the very least for boys, but really everyone should know this.
/r/MensRights16/07/17 11:58 AM
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As for male genital mutilation, it's nowhere near as damaging as female genital mutilation https://www.dovepress.com/female-genital-mutilation-and-male-circumcision-toward-an-autonomy-bas-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-MB
/r/MensRights13/07/17 12:04 PM
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The head of the penis is protopathic anyway. It is primarily innervated with unspecialized free nerve endings, which are only capable of transmitting sensations (generally not very good ones) in response to coarse stimuli like scratching, heavy pressure, painful levels of heat, etc. Some specialized nerve endings can occasionally be found in the head of the penis, but they are few and far between. When it comes to fine touch perception (as opposed to the perception of noxious stimuli, like rubbi…
/r/MensRights13/07/17 03:39 AM
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The doctors were wrong to call it "natural circumcision", as I explained before; although the term is in use it is very misleading. I could imagine you still have the structures natural to a foreskin, like the ridged band, the dartos muscle, the frenulum, etc., even if your glans is always exposed? That's not the case for someone who has had his foreskin cut off. You also wouldn't have a circumcision scar or any of the abnormal nerve growths that form in circumcision scars. Medical terminology e…
/r/MensRights12/07/17 11:17 PM
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Some men do have naturally very short foreskins that don't cover the glandes. Others don't even develop a proper foreskin in the womb, which normally implies hypospadias. Since the fetal glans doesn't form correctly without the foreskin, if the foreskin develops deformed in utero, the urethral opening will likely be off its normal position. But there are American doctors who use the term "natural circumcision" to refer to these conditions. It's absolutely wrong and gives a very distorted impress…
/r/MensRights12/07/17 10:24 PM
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That's sad, man. I'm sorry to hear it.
/r/MensRights12/07/17 07:23 AM
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Thank you very much for posting this.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 07:08 AM
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I notice you said "child" instead of "son". I imagine you are aware that your argument would apply just as much to daughters as to sons.
/r/MensRights11/07/17 12:57 AM
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Did you watch the whole video? Pay attention to what she says about it being her husband's choice. Kind of contradicts the rest of her message.
/r/MensRights10/07/17 11:26 AM
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just Let her raise the child the way she wants to Unless that child is a female, in which case the federal government needs to get involved to protect her from all genital cutting, even "ritual nicks".
/r/MensRights08/07/17 02:05 AM
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Yeah. 20% of the population in one country is a lot. So is 4.4%, as this puts the US at a solid #3 in the global population rankings. This is a really pointless argument, man.
/r/MensRights06/07/17 06:13 PM
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Yeah. 4.4 percent of the world population in one country is a lot. A "tiny" country would be one like Moldova, Monaco, Andorra...I could go on.
/r/MensRights06/07/17 06:08 PM
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What are you on about? It's one of the largest countries in the world and the only countries with more people are China and India.
/r/MensRights06/07/17 05:58 PM
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Oh, certainly. I was glad to see him bring up the points of methodological flaws in the African RCTs and how they do not provide a sound justification for circumcising infants.
/r/MensRights06/07/17 04:03 AM
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Mr. Dillahunty makes some good points, but also some mistakes. He would benefit from taking a look at this: http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/02/female-genital-mutilation-and-male-circumcision-time-to-confront-the-double-standard/
/r/MensRights06/07/17 03:48 AM
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I did get some Poe vibes from this.
/r/MensRights05/07/17 09:06 AM
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Also, here is a free to access digital copy of "The prepuce" (Cold and Taylor. British Journal of Urology, Vol. 83, Suppl. 1: pp. 34-44, Jan. 1999). http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/abstract Just click where it says "continue reading full article" and it'll pop up as a pdf. This article has a lot of information about the foreskin and clitoral hood, and a good amount of information on other parts of male and female genitalia as well.
/r/MensRights05/07/17 05:58 AM
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This is an article that thoroughly debunks the deeply flawed study by Bossio et al from last year that baselessly concluded that the circumcised penis is equally sensitive as the intact penis. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brian-earp/does-circumcision-reduce-_b_9743242.html The title is awful and I don't know what Mr. Earp was thinking here if he was the one to title it, because it contradicts the article's substance, seemingly for the mere sake of making a banal double entendre. But the article…
/r/MensRights05/07/17 05:34 AM
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Male circumcision destroys a great deal of the penis's musculature and primary erogenous tissue. The foreskin is the most specialized sensory structure of the human penis, and its removal eliminates entire dimensions of sensual experience. The idea that the foreskin is as some say "just a bit of skin" is pure bunk. In addition, for the past 20 years, girls in the US have had explicit legal protection from involuntary genital cutting, even forms that remove less tissue than most male circumcision…
/r/MensRights05/07/17 02:21 AM
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One of the first major intactivist organizations was started by a woman, Marilyn Milos. She is an amazing human being. Elizabeth Blackwell, the first woman to receive a medical degree in the US, was also a staunch opponent of MGM. Then there is Patricia Robinett, herself a survivor of genital mutilation at the hands of an American doctor, who has also contributed tremendously to the cause of genital integrity, for both males and females. These are all amazing people.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 11:53 PM
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By the "for equality" definition of feminism, they're not feminists.
/r/MensRights04/07/17 11:30 PM
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While it does protect the glans, the foreskin is highly sensual erogenous tissue in its own right. The foreskin, particularly at the muco-cutaneous junction (the part where the inner and outer foreskin meet), actually has a much more specialized pattern of innervation than the glans does. Here's another great video explaining this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights04/07/17 02:17 PM
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Actually a lot of boys do get erections even in infancy. But their foreskins generally don't go back, even when that happens
/r/MensRights04/07/17 12:59 AM
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With all due respect, it was malpractice objectively speaking. What the nephrologist did endangered him and she is endangering other boys by doing this to them. Forced retraction isn't a minor issue. It is very dangerous. As an international physicians’ organization, we deeply apologize for the conduct of our fellow professional, and for the unnecessary injury done to your son. American health care professionals are often not well trained or familiar with the normal, intact penis, which can lead…
/r/MensRights03/07/17 11:16 PM
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I honestly think drug abuse would be much less of a problem if society weren't so dysfunctional on so many levels that so many people felt the need to numb themselves to escape reality. Anyone who looks at the state this world is in and thinks, "This is fine" is not looking hard enough. Most peoples' lives are really not that great and a significant subset of that group, despite how hard they try, are really getting screwed to an inordinate degree.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 11:07 PM
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Seems like they want an echo chamber.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 10:57 PM
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You don't lose anything with a circumsion besides some skin That's the lie you were told. The foreskin isn't just some skin. It's a complex, specialized, muscular sensory structure. It is primary erogenous tissue and fundamentally shapes how the penis works during sex and also daily life. It is also far more specialized in terms of innervation than the glans, which many people mistakenly believe to be the sensory hub of the penis. Although the sensory and autonomic innervation of the penis and c…
/r/MensRights03/07/17 09:46 AM
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That's because you were circumcised loosely. There is no set universal standard for how much tissue to remove, so not every circumcised man is as (relatively) lucky as you are. Some men are circumcised so tightly that the remaining skin, mucosa, and muscle tissue are essentially immobilized. Circumcisions like that were actually specifically advocated by doctors in the Victorian Era to impede masturbation more. In all cases [of masturbation] circumcision is undoubtedly the physicians' closest fr…
/r/MensRights03/07/17 07:08 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/03/researchers-medical-errors-now-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-united-states/?utm_term=.c30c910ac49f Nightmare stories of nurses giving potent drugs meant for one patient to another and surgeons removing the wrong body parts have dominated recent headlines about medical care. Lest you assume those cases are the exceptions, a new study by patient-safety researchers provides some context. Their analysis, published in the BMJ on Tuesd…
/r/MensRights03/07/17 06:21 AM
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There is no need for a caregiver to pull back a baby or child's foreskin at all--not even a little bit. Doing so is dangerous because until the membrane that fuses the foreskin to the glans breaks down enough to allow retraction (which usually occurs around age 10 give or take--sometimes earlier, sometimes later), even a well-meaning caregiver's attempt to retract the foreskin can cause pain and tears to the genital tissue and can introduce pathogens.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 06:10 AM
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If you or your loved one has found yourself subjected to the malpractice that is forced retraction, you may request that an information pack be sent to the retracting clinician here. Packs are sent by professionals in health care who volunteer time with Saving Our Sons and cost approximately $4 in printed materials and shipping. You may include a note with your donation toward this cost, or email [email protected] with details of what occurred. Please be sure to include the retracting physici…
/r/MensRights03/07/17 05:50 AM
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It varies. 10 is the average but some boys can retract earlier, others later.
/r/MensRights03/07/17 04:22 AM
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A baby or child's foreskin only requires cleaning like a finger. Just washing the outside. The foreskin is fused to the head of the penis in most boys until around age 10 by balanopreputial lamina. Attempting to retract the foreskin of a young boy can seriously damage his penis and cause infections and scarring. It is not only unnecessary; it is incredibly dangerous.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 10:02 PM
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Some men were circumcised so tightly that their remaining penile tissue rips apart and bleeds when they get erect or try to masturbate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DRsJXJop5I
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:07 PM
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The glans penis is protopathic. The foreskin, not the glans, is the primary sensory structure of the human penis. Histological evidence shows that it is the foreskin that has the more specialized pattern of innervation. The male glans on the other hand is almost entirely innervated with unspecialized free nerve endings, and in terms of sensuality has virtually nothing beyond the capacity to sense coarse stimuli. See this lecture from the anatomist and pathology professor Ken McGrath of Auckland …
/r/MensRights02/07/17 08:55 PM
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President Donald Trump has proposed to cut nearly $200 billion out of SNAP. His budget would shift a large percentage of the program’s cost to states, allowing individual governors and state legislatures to shrink benefits and exclude beneficiaries. The impact of these cuts would be devastating. Forty-three million Americans rely on SNAP. More than half of SNAP recipients are children or the elderly. Many are low-wage workers, trying to make ends meet in jobs that don’t pay enough to keep food o…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:28 AM
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We wouldn't even need to make so much food if the systems of production and distribution were optimized to be more efficient in terms of feeding the hungry. But even if we did make this much food, we could still distribute it more effectively so that no one would go hungry. Your train of thought doesn't even make sense. I'm telling you, and I proved to you, that there is no food shortage. Now you're going on about how difficult it is to make that food. That doesn't mean there is a shortage of th…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 09:03 AM
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You are sorely mistaken. http://www.cnbc.com/id/100893540 https://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/03/1061611/-STUNNING-When-a-Single-Image-Cuts-to-the-Core-of-an-American-Injustice http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/poor-starve-as-politicians-steal-rs-80649-crore-worth-of-food-in-uttar-pradesh/articleshow/15966480.cms https://www.fastcompany.com/3062692/the-real-reason-theres-world-hunger-food-waste-not-food-shortages https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/jan/10/h…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 08:43 AM
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You're being rather vague. What are you talking about specifically?
/r/MensRights02/07/17 07:55 AM
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Here are some informative videos that may help you understand the issue in depth. The foreskin is a remarkably complex and specialized organ of the human body, so it can take a while to really understand how it works. Likewise, the history of male circumcision is very complex as well. Caution, some of these videos may be NSFW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PueDFMnX2dw Note: In the above video, Mr. Wallerstein refers to the foreskin as "a fold of skin". This is not accurate; most of it is not s…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 07:40 AM
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We're already pretty much at post-scarcity. There is no real, natural shortage of resources to go around. The wealth is inordinately concentrated at the top, and those at the bottom are intentionally and systematically denied the opportunity to get out of poverty. Right here in the US, there are several empty homes relative to each American homeless person, and about half the food the US produces gets thrown away--and our system of food production isn't even optimized to produce or distribute fo…
/r/MensRights02/07/17 07:12 AM
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Yeah, that's close to the impression I got as well.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 04:41 AM
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I don't really see her comments that way. People are focusing on how a Trump presidency is bad for women. Well, Stein is doing a great job of illustrating some of the more important ways in which he is harming women. She didn't imply that he isn't harming men as well.
/r/MensRights02/07/17 02:09 AM
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Here is an older video of Mr. Duncker for those who haven't heard of him till now. He's doing great work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I53bgxGl88A
/r/MensRights02/07/17 02:02 AM
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Does Reddit actually allow subreddit admins to ban posters simply for having posted in other subreddits?
/r/MensRights02/07/17 12:03 AM
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Video in this post may be NSFW. Male circumcision removes the penis's primary sensory structures. It has a long history of use as a tool of torture, slave-marking, and sexual suppression. http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights01/07/17 10:56 PM
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Notice the vast difference in the news article's descriptions for the reasons for cutting girls vs cutting boys. Nontherapeutic rationales for cutting boys are vaguely filed under "religious reasons" and "cultural reasons". Ms. Sandhu fails to mention how how according to Maimonides and many other religious authorities, those "religious reasons" would include the intentional infliction of pain, attenuation of male sensuality, and preventing "excessive lust". Similarly with regard to circumcision…
/r/MensRights01/07/17 04:16 AM
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The male prepuce requires no difficult or complex cleaning regimen. Parents and other caregivers should not attempt to retract the foreskin of their male babies/children, as doing so can lead to injury and infection. The foreskin in most male children is fused to the head of the penis until around age 10 (average--some boys can retract sooner, others later), when the membrane that fuses them together breaks apart enough to allow retraction.
/r/MensRights30/06/17 05:39 AM
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I'm not here to discuss FGM. That doesn't matter. It's a counter-example. You can't just get out of backing up your positions with "I don't want to talk about that" when someone tests their consistency. That's not how rational discourse works. Everything I've been telling you is that males and females are different making the procedures different, and we should not equate them. The fact remains that if FGM is wrong because it is X, and X is wrong, and MGM is also X, then MGM is also wrong. Logic…
/r/MensRights28/06/17 08:25 AM
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I really think you should take an introductory philosophy class. It would benefit you.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 08:20 AM
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Then make that case to the parents, and stop trying to think that you are a better decision maker for their children than they are. Parents in the US don't have the right to be "decision makers" about how much functional genital tissue their daughters get to keep. And I think a lot of American parents would consider themselves better "decision makers" than parents who choose to circumcise their daughters. Your "parental decision making" argument is so one-sided, because you only apply it to chil…
/r/MensRights28/06/17 08:16 AM
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If there was a woman who had no problem with the procedure that happened to her, why in the world would you go up to her and say that there is actually something wrong with her? What do you mean by saying that there is something wrong with her? Do you mean saying, "Hey, there's something wrong with you!" Or do you mean educating her about the parts of her body that were taken from her? Should that information be censored from circumcised women? I don't think so. The only thing that will accompli…
/r/MensRights28/06/17 07:59 AM
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That doesn't answer the question as to why FGM is wrong.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 07:45 AM
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If FGM is wrong because it is X, and X is wrong, and MGM is also X, then MGM is also wrong. I do hope I'm talking to someone who understands logic, and who understands that FGM (without consent) is wrong. If you do understand the concept of logic, and understand that FGM without consent is wrong, I would like to ask, "Why?"--and if that rationale also applies to MGM without consent, then you must concede that MGM without consent is also wrong.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 06:06 AM
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You don't have to take them at their word. They provide links and citations. I simply provided this article as a jumping point. Waskett's heavy influence over Wikipedia's circumcision article is easily verified. Here are the records of Waskett's edits on Wikipedia. As you can see, he has had an enormous degree of influence over their circumcision article, and other articles relating to circumcision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jakew
/r/MensRights28/06/17 05:58 AM
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The overwhelming majority of FGM survivors don't see themselves as "sexually crippled" either. Even those who have survived what are generally considered extreme forms of FGM. Fuambai Ahmadu had her clitoris and labia voluntarily cut off. She doesn't see herself as sexually crippled. But certainly some other women who have been cut less extremely (or more extremely, as the case may be) would consider themselves sexually crippled.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 05:48 AM
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The Wikipedia article on circumcision is very biased. For a long time it was disproportionately controlled by one guy, too, a colleague of Brian Morris. http://intactwiki.org/wiki/Jake_H._Waskett If you want to know more about the effects circumcision has on the penis, here is a lecture about it from the anatomist Ken McGrath, of Auckland University of Technology's health department https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights28/06/17 05:41 AM
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Malpractice generally applies to doctors. Not all circumcisers are doctors; in fact, worldwide, most of them aren't. In the US there are people who aren't doctors who are allowed to practice this "surgery" on children, like mohels and midwives. Yes, some mohels are doctors, but many are not.
/r/MensRights27/06/17 05:45 PM
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Whoever it was who said "no good deed goes unpunished" really had something there.
/r/MensRights27/06/17 04:59 PM
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The Progress Party is a fairly right-wing party. They aren't really "progressive" as the term would normally be used in the US.
/r/MensRights27/06/17 12:33 AM
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But to be honest, it really was long for my age. My parents told me that the doctors said it was too long. From what I recall it was both quite long and hard to pull back. It was perfectly normal for it to have been hard to pull back. The average age the membrane that fuses the foreskin and glans together breaks down enough, and the opening at the tip of the foreskin widens enough, to allow retraction, is a little over age 10. Most boys at age 7 can't pull back their foreskins at all. For more i…
/r/MensRights27/06/17 12:13 AM
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I actually think he proposed that as something of an alternative to circumcision--sewing the foreskin shut, instead of cutting it off. Through the courtesy of Dr Archibald, Superintendent of the Iowa Asylum for Feeble-Minded Children, we have become acquainted with a method of treatment of this disorder which is applicable in refractory cases, and we have employed it with entire satisfaction. It consists in the application of one or more silver sutures in such a away as to prevent erection. The …
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:54 PM
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I guess I could see it happening, if the tip of his foreskin were small and the holes in the netting were big enough that it could get caught. But if I had to solve that problem, like I just said in another post, I would have just cut out the netting.
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:50 PM
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It was really big and long for my age and it would get stuck in netting of swimsuits and other inconveniences. At age 7 in most boys, the rest of the penis is a tiny fraction of its normal adult size compared to the foreskin. The penis, including the spongy tissue on the inside, usually doesn't start getting big until well into puberty, in which case the boy seems to "grow into" his foreskin. You would have been fine if they'd just left it alone. It's very normal for the foreskin of a young boy …
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:48 PM
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The foreskin is generally fused to the head of the penis in a little boy, and the opening of the foreskin often appears extremely tight for them as well. Both of those things are products of natural selection, and they are beneficial because they prevent contaminants from getting inside the penis. In male babies and young boys there is a sphincter muscle at the end of the foreskin that is supposed to open up to allow urine to pass (occasionally the urine may cause the foreskin to "balloon"--this…
/r/MensRights26/06/17 08:33 PM
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Maybe. It's worth a shot.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 04:39 PM
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Maybe you could give it a try.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 04:38 PM
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Ah, but you're an intactivist too, am I right? Except just for girls?
/r/MensRights25/06/17 12:39 PM
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we absolutely know the baby is not in extreme pain No we don't. We actually have evidence that the baby may well be in extreme pain. Empirical evidence strongly suggests that babies have lower pain thresholds than adults, so maybe the blood drawing is excruciatingly painful for the baby. The study looked at 10 healthy infants aged between one and six days old and 10 healthy adults aged 23-36 years. Infants were recruited from the John Radcliffe Hospital, Oxford, and adult volunteers were Oxford …
/r/MensRights25/06/17 10:08 AM
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Isn't it irreparable because of the nerve damage though? The way I've seen it described is that the foreskin protects are the nerve endings in the penis and when it is removed the penis rubs up against things your entire life with no barrier and over time the nerve endings get worn down. Circumcision removes a massive amount of nerve endings immediately, and if done on a baby or child, it immediately removes tissue that would develop even more nerve endings than it already has. The foreskin itse…
/r/MensRights25/06/17 06:15 AM
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Did you contact ARCLAW?
/r/MensRights25/06/17 06:08 AM
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My sister just had it done to her boy a couple years ago. I tried to talk her out of it, but she was adamant because she didn't want daycare people to have to clean out his foreskin when changing his diaper. There would never have been any need to do that. The foreskin is fused to the glans in infancy. It's supposed to be that way. There is never a need to pull back a baby's foreskin to "clean it out". Attempting to do so is traumatic and dangerous, and can lead to serious injuries and infection…
/r/MensRights25/06/17 06:03 AM
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FGM was never a western practice. It was, to a relatively small extent. But several of the women affected by it have come forward to share their experiences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50BaM7H2GLI
/r/MensRights24/06/17 10:36 PM
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There are a lot of articles about it actually. Many are from outside the US. Here are some articles. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-gp-arrested-illegal-circumcision-10674560 http://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2017/06/male-circumcision-is-violation-of-bodily-integrity/ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/male-circumcision-female-genital-mutilation-fgm-treated-the-same-campaigners-a7765126.html http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/eldoret/Uasin-Gishu-NGO-30-boys-cut/1954186-269…
/r/MensRights24/06/17 07:15 AM
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I heard the video alleged to be of him taking the poster doesn't show his face, and some have speculated that it wasn't him in the video at all.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 08:40 PM
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Even circumcised guys have both shaft skin and the mucosal "inner foreskin" layer. Not all circumcised men have any inner mucosa remaining. Some "low" circumcision styles essentially remove it all, leaving just shaft skin, a circumcision scar, and the glans (and perhaps some remnant of the frenular area) on the outside of the penis.
/r/MensRights23/06/17 03:25 AM
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The reason is that the glans (head) is protopathic. Most of the nerve endings in it are pain-sensitive free nerve endings. The idea that the glans is the main sensory structure of the penis is a myth. It's the foreskin, not the head of the penis, that has the more specialized pattern of innervation, with nerve endings specialized to detect finer, pleasant stimuli such as light touch and gentle stretch. Although the sensory and autonomic innervation of the penis and clitoris are similar, there is…
/r/MensRights23/06/17 02:52 AM
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If you don't wish to debate with me, that is your call.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 06:06 PM
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So, how about you? Should boys have equal protection from genital cutting as girls? It's really a yes or no question but I'm sure I'm not going to get that kind of answer.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 04:30 PM
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When a study found that circumcised women had a lower HIV rate, they concluded that it was due to "irreducible confounding" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265824402_Female_Circumcision_and_HIV_Infection_in_Tanzania_for_Better_or_for_Worse There are confounding variables that were not controlled for with the male RCTs that showed a 2% absolute risk reduction (commonly reported in the media is the figure of a 60% relative risk reduction, but the absolute risk reduction they found was onl…
/r/MensRights22/06/17 01:11 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights22/06/17 03:34 AM
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I wonder if the boys kidnapped and forcibly mutilated by members of this whole "CIRCUMCISE AFRICA" movement were told to "man up" too? https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/33i9xu/kenya_30_boys_circumcised_without_their_or_their/
/r/MensRights21/06/17 10:30 PM
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Removal of the clitoral hood (and the male foreskin) is also practiced among many Malay Muslims in Singapore, which is a "first world" country. It's legal there and performed in hospitals, by doctors. There are tons of posts on Facebook and other social media sites where moms from Singapore post their daughters on the day of their circumcision and talk about it, almost always in a very positive way. And a couple of doctors in Michigan are being prosecuted right now for removing girl's prepuces, …
/r/MensRights21/06/17 09:10 PM
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Vaguely related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB25bqV1j6Q
/r/MensRights21/06/17 08:19 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4deevo/body_acceptance_feminist_amy_schumer_bashes/
/r/MensRights21/06/17 03:51 PM
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Do you disagree that it's a parents responsibility to carefully consider their options and then make decisions for their children based on what's in their children's best interest? No, but the decision to remove the primary sensory structure of their child's penis is not one of those decisions. The foreskin itself, not the glans, is the sensory hub of the penis. This has been confirmed by histological analysis and studies on live subjects as well. The male glans is protopathic. Circumcision dest…
/r/MensRights21/06/17 02:47 AM
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To circumcise or not is one of many decisions parents have to make for their children (at least, here in the US) and I don't oppose either option. I don't think it's my place to suggest other parents go one way or the other on this subject. It's their child and it's up to them to make the call. Do you support the "right" of parents to decide whether or not to have their daughter's clitoral hood cut off, like the Bohra people in India (and some of them in the US, though this is considered illegal…
/r/MensRights20/06/17 10:05 PM
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Fuambai Ahmadu, who chose as an adult to have her labia and clitoris removed voluntarily, has spent a great deal of time arguing in favor of allowing parents to circumcise their daughters. She specified that she supports allowing them to remove their daughters' clitoral hoods, but also stated that this is a "compromise" for her (implying that she really supports their "right" to circumcise their daughters to more severe extents). Many of the strongest advocates for female circumcision are women …
/r/MensRights20/06/17 10:01 PM
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Please read this. http://euromind.global/en/brian-d-earp-and-rebecca-steinfeld/
/r/MensRights20/06/17 09:58 PM
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Sick.
/r/MensRights20/06/17 09:09 PM
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It depends to a large extent on how tightly they were circumcised, and their personal tolerance for the distorted functioning. Circumcision isn't a well-standardized operation. Some circumcisions are very "loose", meaning less tissue was removed, and the remaining tissue can still move up and down to some extent. At the other end of the spectrum, there are circumcisions which are very "tight", meaning more tissue was removed. Tight circumcisions completely straitjacket the penis in its own remai…
/r/MensRights20/06/17 08:38 PM
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South Korea, but that's due to American influence. The circumcision rate there is beginning to fall as more information about the downsides of circumcision is becoming more available.
/r/MensRights20/06/17 08:33 PM
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Did you try telling her about how the foreskin, not the glans, is the penis's primary sensory structure? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c The histological evidence is very strong, and has been backed up by monofilament sensory threshold tests on live subjects as well ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847 ). The foreskin (which includes the frenulum and frenular delta, not just the outer part of the foreskin) is much more sensual than the glans, as it has a far more specialize…
/r/MensRights20/06/17 08:29 PM
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It didn't make sense even then. Human life has always depended on consistent access to potable water, and the amount of water needed to wash the penis (or vulva for that matter) pales in comparison to the amount you need for things like drinking, or washing the rest of the body. Also back in those days people knew nothing about germ theory, and if you look at how often circumcisions go horribly wrong when they're performed in primitive conditions, even today, you will realize very viscerally how…
/r/MensRights20/06/17 07:59 PM
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It wasn't just Dr. Kellogg. There were a lot of others as well. Check this out. http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm
/r/MensRights20/06/17 07:51 PM
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There are different degrees of circumcision. The extent of tissue removal you experienced may be less than that of the next guy. Historically, doctors advocated for very "tight" circumcisions to completely straitjacket the penis in its own remaining skin, mucous membrane, and muscle tissue. This was considered a good way to impede masturbation by completely destroying the gliding action of a normal foreskin, in addition to removing specialized erogenous sensory tissue. In all cases [of masturbat…
/r/MensRights20/06/17 07:48 PM
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"Rational"wiki is about as far from rational as it gets. It's basically the flip side of Conservapedia. I can't imagine what would possess someone to think going to these overtly biased wikis is a good way to get informed about anything.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 05:36 AM
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You might want to contact Dr. Adrienne Carmack. She's a board-certified urologist who from what I've heard has a lot of training in the health and anatomy of the prepuce.
/r/MensRights25/05/17 08:57 AM
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thanks!
/r/MensRights21/05/17 07:13 AM
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Link does not work
/r/MensRights21/05/17 12:20 AM
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Am I the only one here who holds the door open for pretty much everyone, male or female? I don't go out of my way to do it but if I'm there and opening the door, why would I just let it swing shut on someone's face? Of course I'm going to hold it open.
/r/MensRights21/05/17 12:18 AM
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A lot of "medical reasons" for circumcision are bogus, especially diagnoses of "phimosis" in kids. Amputation should be a treatment of absolute last resort, not a first-line treatment. Most doctors don't know anything about the foreskin except how to cut it off. They don't understand the value of what they're destroying and don't look into other, less extreme methods to treat the problem (if there is in fact a problem and they're not mistaken about the existence of a problem to begin with) becau…
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:16 PM
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Do you have a source on that?
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:13 PM
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Most people in the west are very ignorant about both FGM and MGM, on many levels. A lot of them don't know what the foreskin is, don't know that there are different degrees of both FGM and MGM, don't know the history of MGM and FGM in the US (yes, FGM was practiced in the US and was only banned 20 years ago--before then it was legal and there are women alive today who were circumcised by American doctors back in the 50's), and don't know anything about genital mutilation's place in cultures outs…
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:02 PM
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You also lose a lot of sensation right off the bat because the foreskin itself (not the head of the penis) is the part of the penis with the most specialized pattern of innervation and the most fine touch sensitivity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847 On top of that, and on top of the desensitization of the head of the penis, there is also a loss/distortion of penile mobility. Circumcision involves cutting off a great deal of the penis's musculature and other movable tissues; the fore…
/r/MensRights20/05/17 08:55 PM
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There is almost certainly no medical reason to have this done to her son. I would be very careful about believing it if they say there is, and I would seek a second opinion from a doctor who is more "foreskin-friendly". Maybe you could contact Dr. Adrienne Carmack; she knows far more about the prepuce than most other urologists. He may have been given the "phony phimosis diagnosis"; look that up. Unfortunately a lot of caregivers, even doctors, honestly do not understand normal prepuce developme…
/r/MensRights18/05/17 10:09 PM
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Please do some research on just how damaging male circumcision is, and the dark and dreadful history behind how it came to be a common practice in the US. I highly recommend reading Cold and Taylor's "The prepuce" (1999, British Journal of Urology, Vol. 83, Suppl. 1: pp. 34-44) and Darby's "The masturbation taboo and the rise of routine male circumcision: A review of the historiography" (2003, Journal of Social History, Vol. 27: pp. 737-757). These incredibly detailed, well-referenced reviews ar…
/r/MensRights13/05/17 02:57 AM
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Male circumcission has measurable medical benefits (protection from uti's, certain sexual infections, etc) and has no effect on sexual sensation. It removes all sensation in the parts of the penis which are removed, which are the most sensual parts. The glans of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive…
/r/MensRights12/05/17 08:05 PM
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Do you know what the foreskin is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c Again, as someone who has been circumcised, it's not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be. It has no negative effects on my life whatsoever. Many circumcised women say the same thing about what was done to them. They don't even fully understand what happened; they lack a point of comparison as to what it would have been like to have their whole bodies. Just like many circumcised men. https://www.youtube.com/…
/r/MensRights12/05/17 07:59 PM
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There's also the fact that if men who were damaged by MGM don't "complain about it", then people will continue to use that old tired excuse every time a man complains about having been subjected to it--"Well, I've never heard a man complain about it!" The more men who come forward to talk about it, the less people will try to use that excuse. My feeling is that a fair number (not all) of people who say "men don't complain" are simply lying. That's going to get truer and truer as time goes on.
/r/MensRights12/05/17 05:46 AM
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If no one cared, no one would be writing all these articles and the subject wouldn't be coming up more and more every day in the media.
/r/MensRights12/05/17 05:44 AM
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Go ahead and do it. I would be interested in seeing it. it would be great if you could provide a translation as well, although if you can't, we could just use other means to figure out the meaning. But it would definitely be helpful if you would be so kind as to translate for us.
/r/MensRights12/05/17 03:29 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to reply. Could you share some citations that show it is banned by the governing bodies of all 3 of these branches? I would really appreciate it. No rush.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 11:27 PM
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the foreskin is vestigial That is utter BS. The human male prepuce is highly specialized erogenous tissue. There is no evidence that it is "vestigial". The foreskin is well-integrated with the rest of the penis, includes the majority of the penis's dartos muscle, and fundamentally shapes how the penis works, feels, and moves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw The rest of the penis wouldn't even be able to form correctly in utero without the foreskin, and the remarkable specialization o…
/r/MensRights11/05/17 10:09 PM
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The US does not make an exception to the ban of female circumcision for the religion of the girl's parents/guardians. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116 This holds even with respect to forms of female circumcision that are less severe in terms of tissue loss than common forms of male circumcision. In other words, the severity of tissue destruction is not the basis of the prohibition. It's the sex of the potential victim which gives them the legal protection, even regardless of their …
/r/MensRights11/05/17 08:07 PM
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This is an enormous issue that is incredibly complex and multi-faceted. Rather than writing you an essay, I think it might be a better use of time if I shared a few informative videos with you and anyone else curious about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luDqvvGbhzU Be advised: both of these videos, although they are free of pornography, do depict nudity in a scientific context. If you watch these videos, you will have a much greater understanding …
/r/MensRights11/05/17 07:52 PM
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People that stupid should not be allowed to drive.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 07:22 PM
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In the US, far less than 10% of people struck by vehicles are killed. Most of those people will have been struck accidentally. I wouldn't be surprised if the rate of people killed who were intentionally run over as opposed to hit by accident would be higher than 10%.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 07:21 PM
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Isn't it incredibly dehumanizing? I watched my daughter's labia get cut off. It was like cutting off slices of a roast" That's what she sounds like to people who see male children as equally valuable and worthy of protection as female children.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 07:15 PM
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As far as sensitivity goes, there's no way to prove anything Well, you could perform touch tests with a monofilament, to see which parts of the penis have the lowest fine touch pressure threshold. This has actually been done. When it comes to fine touch sensitivity, the transitional muco-cutaneous regions of the foreskin (such as the frenar band) are shown to be the most sensitive. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847 Bossio et al.'s joke of a study (which has since been debunked by Bria…
/r/MensRights11/05/17 07:09 PM
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Earp chose a horrible title for his excellent article.
/r/MensRights11/05/17 06:57 PM
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(He was referring to metizitzah b'peh, an ancient circumcision practice that is only practiced by a tiny sect of ultra-Orthodox Jews and is now banned for obvious hygienic reasons Where is it banned? By whom?
/r/MensRights11/05/17 06:51 PM
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Here are some videos you might find interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1tJTR0ur4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_ss0AAJYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0JXH_33mbU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=simaF2TdAh0
/r/MensRights08/05/17 06:18 AM
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It means "very". She wrote it in all caps to emphasize it.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 06:15 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear that.
/r/MensRights07/05/17 05:48 AM
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Share this video with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c The most sensual and specially innervated part of the penis is the foreskin. This has been shown not just by dissection and histological study, but also touch tests on living subjects, such as in Sorrells et al's 2007 study which was published in the British Journal of Urology. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847 The mistaken idea so many people have is that the glans is the be-all of male sensual pleasure. It is ac…
/r/MensRights07/05/17 05:43 AM
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the benefits outweigh the cost According to whom? The AAP? Their position statement admitted outright that they actually don't know what the risks are, and they didn't even fairly address the loss of musculature and specialized erogenous tissue inherent to circumcision. Their position statement is far out of line with the rest of the medical community in developed countries. Not only were they actually ignorant of what the risks were, but on top of that, one of the members of their ad hoc circum…
/r/MensRights07/05/17 05:23 AM
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There is nothing unhygienic about the intact male form. Also you're relatively lucky you weren't cut so tightly that you experience discomfort in daily life. The foreskin isn't some extra bit hanging off the end of the penis; it's well integrated into the rest of the form and provides tissue for the penis to expand into when it gets engorged with blood. If they had circumcised you tighter (or if your penis grew more during puberty), you would live in constant pain every time you got an erection,…
/r/MensRights07/05/17 05:17 AM
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There is nothing to "worry about" when it comes to cleaning an intact penis. It's not a Rubik's cube. The foreskin is also the most sensual part of the penis. It's not a birth defect or an accident; it's a major component of the penis's erogenous tissue and musculature that evolved to be that way over millions of years. Circumcision was virtually nonexistent in the US outside the Jewish community until anti-masturbation and "moral hygiene" crusaders started pushing it as a form of punishment and…
/r/MensRights07/05/17 05:16 AM
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But as I have repeatedly stated there is no law requiring circumcisers to be medical doctors.
/r/MensRights07/05/17 12:37 AM
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I did not see where you addressed the matter of circumcision not having to be performed by doctors. Regardless, by that logic, you'd have to also support re-legalizing female circumcision, and not just by doctors. Unless you for some reason support one set of legal protections for girls, and a lesser legal protection for boys.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 11:46 PM
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The government doesnt stop you or anyone from doing bad things. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39662450
/r/MensRights06/05/17 10:38 PM
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No, they're petitioning the government, as their own representatives, to give equal legal protection to boys as already exists for girls. The law as it exists now is discriminatory. All of us in favor of giving equal protection to boys REALIZE that the government's interpretation is wrong here and are petitioning to redress this. You also keep neglecting to address the fact that circumcisers don't legally need to be doctors in the US. There is no such law on the books.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 10:33 PM
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You're giving godlike-authority to nebulous and unnamed "medical boards" as if they can't be wrong, and your latter statement is a cop-out and a dodge. Medical boards outside the US often say that nontherapeutic circumcision must be strongly discouraged because it is a violation of a child's right to bodily integrity. Those in the US tend to disagree. They can't both be right. And, again, there is no law in the US saying practitioners of male circumcision need to be doctors. Many mohels for exam…
/r/MensRights06/05/17 10:23 PM
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I am with you and that is why I am against creating government legislation about this issue. So do you support repealing the 1996 Federal ban on circumcision of non-consenting girls?
/r/MensRights06/05/17 10:16 PM
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It should only be done by medical professionals. Right now, that's not the case. Many circumcisers in the US are not medical doctors. There is no law saying a circumciser needs to be a doctor. So, would you support banning circumcision performed by circumcisers who aren't doctors? Also, doctors can be wrong. Many of them are wrong about circumcision and have never studied the foreskin. They don't even know what they're cutting off because American medical schools don't teach what the foreskin is…
/r/MensRights06/05/17 10:12 PM
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But not the same as non-consensual female circumcison, which has been federally illegal since 1996? Legally protecting only one sex from non-consensual genital cutting is a violation of equal protection. It's already unconstitutional. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338602
/r/MensRights06/05/17 08:32 PM
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Next time maybe you could try sharing some information from Doctors Opposing Circumcision. Some people are more likely to trust doctors and there are and always have been many doctors against circumcision, even going back years but possibly more than ever right now. Thank you so much for protesting, by the way.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 08:24 PM
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In terms of sensory loss, there's no evidence that removal of the clitoral glans (most of the clitoris itself is internal) is worse than removal of the male foreskin. The clitoral glans is estimated to have about 8,000 nerve endings. The foreskin is much larger than the clitoris and is estimated to contain about 20,000. I struggle to see the relevance of the fact that the foreskin and clitoral glans are not embryologically homologous. The fact is that both clitoridectomy and foreskin amputation …
/r/MensRights06/05/17 07:27 PM
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The amputation of the clitoris is not the only form of FGM. Removal or incision of the clitoral hood and/or labia while leaving the clitoral glans alive also considered FGM, and is a common form in Asia among several groups. Yet this is illegal in the US and some doctors over in Michigan may go to prison for life for it. Information about this is readily available. The idea that female genital mutilation is always clitoridectomy and/or infibulation and therefore is worse than common forms of mal…
/r/MensRights06/05/17 07:10 PM
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I hope you were able to share some relevant information with them. These men have been lied to from the beginning and it's not easy to undo the effects of decades of lies, but it can happen and sometimes all that's needed is a little information to get the ball rolling.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 09:48 AM
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This is an ad hominem fallacy and has no place in a university except as an example thereof.
/r/MensRights06/05/17 04:50 AM
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I can't imagine marrying a woman who would accept such a gift. Major red flag.
/r/MensRights01/05/17 03:01 AM
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I to was circumcised for faith based reasons. Seeing as I'm a Christian. Christians worldwide overwhelmingly do not practice circumcision, and the New Testament discourages circumcision for religious reasons. It caught on in the US outside the Jewish community not due to Christianity per se, but rather in large part due to the efforts of anti-masturbation crusaders such as E. J. Spratling and John Harvey Kellogg during the Victorian Era and early 20th Century. Before then, circumcision was extre…
/r/MensRights01/05/17 02:44 AM
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I don't profess any opinion on why circumcision started, except believing to some extent that it was started by early jews. Most historians believe circumcision developed independently among various cultures thousands of years ago; it isn't possible to pin-point who were the first to do it. I appreciate your noting of the limits of our historical understanding of this matter. Nor do I consider this proof that circumcision is detrimental to the circumcised. "Proof" is a concept of limited utility…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 10:38 PM
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Unfortunately, that's a common misconception. While some aspects hold almost always (such as the ablation of the ridged band), beyond that, the types and amounts of tissue removed can vary tremendously. There's also the fact that a circumciser of children cannot know how much the child's penis will grow , and therefore he or she cannot know how much tissue remaining the adult will need to avoid constriction and pain with erection. If the thought even enters their mind, all they can do (short of …
/r/MensRights30/04/17 10:21 PM
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There is no universal standard for how severe male circumcision "should" be, so one circumcised guy can have had more erogenous tissue and muscle removed than the next circumcised guy. But virtually all circumcisions, even very "loose" ones, ablate the ridged band, which is among the most sensual and specialized parts of the male body. The frenulum and frenular delta also frequently damaged or destroyed, even in many relatively loose circumcisions. More severe, "tight" circumcisions (which are f…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 09:59 PM
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I've always though of it as a religious decision. If I was convinced that infant circumcision did actual harm, I think I would change my opinion. According to Maimonides, a major reason for circumcision in Judaism is specifically BECAUSE it harms the penis, and thereby curbs "excessive lust" in males. Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this a…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 09:36 PM
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There is virtually never a medical need to perform a radical, extreme circumcision, which is unfortunately a very commonly performed "treatment" for real or perceived problems with the foreskin. As Cold and Taylor wrote, If external genital tissue must be excised to combat a disease process that threatens the child's health, and is unresponsive to medical therapy, then the amount of tissue should be limited so as to preserve the anatomy and function of the external genitalia. All genital tissue …
/r/MensRights30/04/17 09:03 PM
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The glans clitoridis is embryologically homologous to the glans penis, but their functions and patterns of innervation are profoundly different, so calling them "equivalent" is misleading. The male glans is protopathic. The primary sensory platform of the penis is the foreskin, not the glans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c In terms of sensory loss, there is no evidence that the loss of the clitoral glans is inherently more detrimental than the loss of the male foreskin. The female g…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 08:21 PM
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Arguments have been made and published in law journals that male circumcision without consent or real medical need is actually illegal already in the US, but the law is not yet being enforced. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338602
/r/MensRights30/04/17 06:20 PM
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The anthropologist Fuambai Ahmadu had her clitoris and labia voluntarily circumcised as an adult, and says she's happier that way and sex is just as good as it was before. Anthropologist Fuambai Ahmadu specialises in female sexuality and health, and defends the right for women to undergo initiation rituals such as circumcision. "As an anthropologist who has studied female mutilation rituals in West Africa for many, many years and have written about it extensively," Ahmadu said, "most women do no…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 06:15 PM
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See this brief review from Professor Ken McGrath. He is an anatomist, and an expert on this topic who has studied the human penis in detail, both its gross and histological anatomy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c If you have more time, you can also check out "The prepuce", Drs. Christopher Cold and John Taylor's detailed review, for even more information. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410x.1999.0830s1034.x/abstract In brief, the foreskin is roughly 12 to 15 squar…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 05:30 PM
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Are you operating under the idea that the part of your body that was cut off was "a little extra skin", or do you actually know what kind of an organ was taken from you? I'm not much of a gambler but if I had to bet, I'd bet on the former.
/r/MensRights30/04/17 06:34 AM
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By that logic, anti-FGM activists are sick--even those who were themselves cut. Oh, but "thaaaaat's diiiiiifferent"!
/r/MensRights28/04/17 09:31 AM
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I am also not completely fucking insane, so I acknowledge that clitoridectomy is a much more dangerous and damaging procedure, all but eliminating sexual pleasure in its victims. A great number of clitoridectomized women would disagree with your assertion that their ability to experience sexual pleasure was all but eliminated. Some, incredibly, claim to experience just as much and exactly the same kind of sensation and sexual pleasure after clitoridectomy as before. Note by "incredibly", I meant…
/r/MensRights27/04/17 08:14 PM
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check Wikipedia, no consensus on sexual pleasure affected Wikipedia is not a reliable source, especially not on this issue. The Wikipedia circumcision article has a long history of being edited largely by people associated with circumcision fetish groups, and several of the sources drawn from in that article are from people with documented ties to such groups who also have histories of making grossly misleading claims. You really have no idea how deep this pit goes. And although I know where the…
/r/MensRights27/04/17 07:40 PM
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In the case of circumcision it is just a piece of skin No, it's not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c I can't even start to imagine how painful it can be to be cut in the most sensible part of your body. That is literally what happens in male circumcision. The foreskin, not the glans, is the most sensual part of the penis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847
/r/MensRights27/04/17 07:28 PM
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If there were thought to be comparable "potential benefits" to, say, a certain injection that would permanently remove all sensation in the glans, would those "potential benefits" even come into play in the argument as to whether such a procedure were ethical or not to perform on people without their personal consent? The assumption that keeps getting made is that the glans is the seat of male pleasure and that the foreskin is non-erogenous. Histological analysis as well as sensitivity tests on …
/r/MensRights19/04/17 06:57 PM
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The same barrier is faced when people make efforts to stop involuntary FGM. Many cut women refuse to even entertain the idea that they were harmed or that they harmed their daughters. They often take such information very personally.
/r/MensRights19/04/17 06:52 PM
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Many women who are victims of fgm cannot have orgasms anymore while in general the majority of men who are circumcised still can. I'm not aware of any data showing it to be the case that many or most FGM survivors are completely incapable of orgasm. I don't doubt at all that FGM can and often does have devastating impacts on sexual pleasure and can cause complete anorgasmia in some women, but many circumcised women (even those who have been clitoridectomized) do not believe that, and claim to ha…
/r/MensRights19/04/17 06:29 PM
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I get the impression that you are operating under the idea that the glans is the most sensual part of the penis and that the foreskin is mainly protective covering for the glans. This is a mistaken idea. It's the foreskin, not the glans, that is the penis's primary sensory structure. The foreskin is estimated to contain about 20,000 nerve endings, many of them highly specialized encapsulated nerve endings. The female glans clitoridis is estimated to contain fewer than half that many. The male gl…
/r/MensRights19/04/17 05:59 PM
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Even in the desert there is no need to circumcise males or females. The "sand myth" is just that--a myth. http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=30 http://www.circumstitions.com/sand.html
/r/MensRights19/04/17 05:33 PM
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Too many people mistakenly think the glans is the only erogenous/important part of the penis.
/r/MensRights10/04/17 08:00 PM
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I'm not rubbing it in; just sharing with you a different way of looking at the situation. I also feel I was given the opportunity to share some relevant scientific information not just with you, but any other lady or gentleman who happens to come across this thread. On that note, I think this particular conversation between us has well run its course. Be well.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 04:07 AM
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"A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying in other words that he is wiser today than he was yesterday" -Alexander Pope
/r/MensRights07/04/17 03:58 AM
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"Organ"? Is that what we're going with? Yes, the foreskin can be considered an organ in its own right. It also contains organs within it, and is part of other organs. Has the definition of "muscle" changed recently? Do words have any meaning any more? I'm not sure what you mean. The review I cited was written in 1999. Even decades before then it was known that the foreskin is a muscular structure. You can take a look at Lakshmanan and Parkash's 1980 review from the Indian Journal of Surgery here…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 03:47 AM
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It looks like the image shows the muscles of the penis, of which the foreskin has none. That's not true. The foreskin is a very muscular organ. The dartos smooth muscle is specific to the male external genitalia and the vast majority of the penile dartos muscle is contained within the prepuce. The dartos muscle consists of smooth muscle cells invested with elastic fibres (Fig. 8). From the prepuce, the delicate, attenuated penile dartos muscle surrounds the shaft of the penis and is continuous w…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 02:43 AM
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It wasn't just one doctor who popularized MGM in the US. There has been a whole slew of them. http://www.noharmm.org/docswords.htm
/r/MensRights07/04/17 02:42 AM
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It reminds me of 1984.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 02:41 AM
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Check the comments section of the article.
/r/MensRights06/04/17 02:38 AM
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I wish they had mentioned the fact that the foreskin, not the glans, is the most specially innervated and sensual part of the penis. The foreskin includes the frenulum, frenular delta, and ridged band, which all have a more specialized pattern of innervation than the glans and are far more sensitive to gentle touch. The glans is "sensitive", but primarily to pain, not pleasure. Most of the nerve endings in the glans are nocioceptors. Ken McGrath explains this very well in this brief lecture. htt…
/r/MensRights31/03/17 04:54 PM
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If its a medical procedure, how can it be child abuse? In the US, it used to be a "medical procedure" to burn girl's clitorises with acid or cut them off, and sew boy's foreskins shut, in an attempt to deter and impede masturbation. It used to be a "medical procedure" to lobotomize people who were depressed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpB13KG0gZ4 Just because something is called a "medical procedure" doesn't mean it isn't damaging or abusive.
/r/MensRights29/03/17 01:24 PM
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99%+ of circumcisions are completed without complications. There's no evidence of that. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (which relative to other major medical organizations is biased in favor of circumcision, and has stated that they factored in religious rather than purely medical rationales into their cost-benefit analysis of the procedure) the rate of complications (beyond the erogenous tissue loss inherent to the procedure) is unknown.
/r/MensRights29/03/17 01:23 PM
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the foreskin protects the penis That's true, but it also bears mentioning that foreskin itself is an integral part of the penis--not only that, but the foreskin (not the glans) is the most specially innervated part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmToXLVrZ7c
/r/MensRights27/03/17 06:16 PM
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physically discipline them By "physically discipline", are you referring to things that if done to a larger, stronger, more powerful adult, would be considered assault and battery/domestic violence? But somehow when it's a weaker, smaller person, it's not?
/r/MensRights27/03/17 06:09 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_dzeDvx2QA
/r/MensRights27/03/17 02:53 PM
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Do a little research on Brian Morris, the guy who authored that so-called "research". You'll be surprised at what you find out.
/r/MensRights27/03/17 06:12 AM
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"debate" implies that there are two sides to an issue, both roughly equal in merit. No it doesn't. It's simply a discussion involving two or more opposing viewpoints. There's no implication that both/all viewpoints are "roughly equal in merit", and if the people debating actually believed that, then how could and why would they even debate in the first place? They would think, "well, the opposition is just as correct as me". And if they thought that, there would be no point in debating.
/r/MensRights26/03/17 12:56 PM
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You do it early on in childhood. There's no need for a caregiver to do it at all. A boy's foreskin doesn't require meddling or interference of caregivers beyond simply being cleaned on the outside, like a finger. When it has naturally separated which happens somewhere between 2-6. The average age the membrane fusing glans and foreskin dissolves enough to allow retraction is 10, not 2-6. At 2-6 most boys cannot retract (nor is there any need for them to).
/r/MensRights15/03/17 06:45 PM
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It's not a dangerous move to meddle with a baby's foreskin due to the "current social climate"--it's a dangerous move because trying to force back or otherwise manipulate the foreskin of a baby or child can cause serious trauma, and damage to his penis. The foreskin of a baby or young boy is fused to the head of his penis by tissue akin to the tissue that adheres the fingernails to the nail bed (which is why doctors force a circumcision probe between the foreskin and glans before circumcisions--…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 09:38 AM
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my head is too damn sensitive to even touch You may find this video informative and useful for an explanation of why that is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD2yW7AaZFw
/r/MensRights15/03/17 09:33 AM
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