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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
4	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why.		ABlindOrphan	/r/MensRights	15/12/10 11:56 PM

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1	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! Right, but I wasn't claiming you were a liar, so it's irrelevant whether you changed your posts. The point was: the idea that I was lying is undermined by the fact that I did nothing to cover my tracks to make my lie work. I've offered up an alternative account (where I was giving context) that actually makes sense of my actions. Given this, it makes it unreasonable to call me a liar. It's fine, we all make mistakes, but for next time, be more careful.	/r/MensRights	17/09/15 11:21 AM
1	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! What context does this provide that changes anything in a meaningful way? As I said in my previous comment, I was saying that the problem exists, not that it was universally the case or that it was common. If there were one example of it in the MRM, my statement would be true. You and he believed I was saying that the problem was common. So when I quoted that, I was giving context to the other part. Your clarifications consisted of substituting a different comment for the one originally replied …	/r/MensRights	17/09/15 01:23 AM
0	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! But that is not what he responded to... Since you forgot again, here is what he responded to He responded to the second part of my statement. The first part stated how prevalent the issue was. The second part stated the issue. By responding only to the second part of my statement, he took the statement as a whole out of context. Look, read the comment I made again: A similar problem exists within the Men's Rights Movement. The options seem to be either you're with us, or you're the worst example…	/r/MensRights	17/09/15 12:54 AM
1	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! A similar problem exists within the Men's Rights Movement. This was what I said. I did not say "a similar problem runs rampant through the MRM". I did not even say "a similar problem is common within the MRM". I simply said that the issue exists, just as the issue of extremism exists within Feminism. As for what he said "No" to, who can say what he meant? He declined to clarify his statement with any reasoning or argument. Just as an aside: you were so quick to jump on me as a liar and a hack ov…	/r/MensRights	17/09/15 12:17 AM
-1	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! That's funny, but what's the middle ground between my idea that SOME of the MRM are too black & white in their thinking, and his idea that NONE are?	/r/MensRights	16/09/15 10:40 PM
0	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! Yes.	/r/MensRights	16/09/15 08:53 PM
1	It's sexist for you to put your arms around your girlfriend's shoulders according to Helen Mirren You make it sound like you've talked to a statistically significant, representative sample of women.	/r/MensRights	16/09/15 06:13 PM
4	The false dichotomy of "if you aren't a feminist then you are a bigot." A quick video about a feminist claiming if you aren't a feminist then you are default a bigot and the false dichotomy fallacy. Check it out! A similar problem exists within the Men's Rights Movement. The options seem to be either you're with us, or you're the worst examples of the Feminist movement. I prefer a more permissive approach: if you think there's systemic bullshit that faces women, you're a feminist. If you think there's systemic bullshit that faces men, you're a MRA. So if you think that there's systemic bullshit that faces both genders, you're both.	/r/MensRights	16/09/15 05:58 PM
1	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? An example of some systematic bullshit faced by women: domestic abuse. An example of some systematic bullshit faced by men: domestic abuse.	/r/MensRights	23/06/15 10:14 AM
2	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? Women face some systematic bullshit. This comes in many forms. Some of the bullshit comes from Men being sexist. Some of the bullshit comes from positions of power. Some of the bullshit comes from unconscious stuff that everyone does. Some of the bullshit comes from biology, some of the bullshit comes from culture. I believe that the core belief of feminists is "women face systematic bullshit". I think if you phrase that core belief as "women are structurally oppressed", you get some feminists, …	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 04:01 PM
2	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? but it also means you believe men are all privileged oppressors I don't believe this. I think that men face structural bullshit too. Also, some bullshit is as a result of weird power dynamics, and some bullshit is the result of stupidity, or chance, or a host of other factors. In this, I do disagree with some feminists.	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 02:52 PM
1	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? You sit by silently when other self-described feminists, and (more importantly) leading feminist and feminist organizations, advocate for those laws. I personally don't. I've had many arguments with other feminists. You and I agree that these kinds of debates should be had internally as well as externally. My opinion is that people rarely change their views when you oppose yourself to them. More often they entrench, sometimes to the point where they say things that they don't even believe in. I …	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 02:50 PM
2	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? I responded to every question you asked me. Moreover: I'm a feminist. Backed up when I gave a definition of feminism (women face structural bullshit). I don't advocate for laws that favour women over men. So far, to my knowledge I have not advocated for laws that favour women over men. I don't cry "sexism" at attempts to eliminate discriminatory laws. I haven't cried "sexism" over attempts to eliminate discriminatory laws. Let me ask you a question: if I disagreed with you on one or two of your …	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 02:22 PM
2	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? Doesn't make it so. Over a long enough time period, and with sufficient consensus, it does. Do you disagree with these feminist leaders? I don't know what the state of US alimony is, so I don't know. As a general statement, I think people should contribute towards their kids, I think their respective incomes should be taken into account (so a guy who is struggling to eat should not have to pay for his rich ex-wife's kids), it should go both ways, and custody should be taken into account. Even if…	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 02:08 PM
1	Can we focus on solutions for a moment? Hey there. I'm a feminist. I don't advocate for laws that favour women over men. I don't cry "sexism" at attempts to eliminate discriminatory laws. Let me ask you a question. Which do you think is easier: changing a movement's direction, or stopping it in its tracks?	/r/MensRights	22/06/15 10:58 AM
3	Harvard medical school censors its own study showing 70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men.. So far I've seen one study. (This one). Even that study cites there as being a need for more quantitative research to be done, because the things that point to the conclusions you have drawn are largely qualitative (and anecdotal). The study overall neither supports nor does not support your position. The closest it comes is in its statistics about referring someone to a batterers program. There it conflates referring someone to a batterers program with suggesting the victim was a batterer. We'd…	/r/MensRights	16/02/15 06:58 PM
2	Harvard medical school censors its own study showing 70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men.. Why do you believe that? Do you have any evidence, or studies to support that claim? I think a gut feeling is insufficient for such a bold statement. If we are to be taken seriously, we should not overstep the evidence we have. It is far better to say "I don't know" or "I wonder if" when talking about something that you only have a vague impression of.	/r/MensRights	16/02/15 05:27 PM
2	Why is it controversial to talk about mens rights? If you declare yourself a feminist, you are saying that you believe there is some systematic bullshit that women face, and that something should be done about it. A considerable number of MRAs declare that they are "anti-feminist". I think most people who say that are often reacting to a different idea of feminism than what the word actually now means (and if you want to test what it means, look at how it is normally used). Now there are some assholes in the movement who deny that women face som…	/r/MensRights	09/11/14 12:49 AM
1	Why do feminists say that feminism includes men, but then have the /r/feminism subreddit state that men's rights are not to be discussed there? As a feminist and a Men's Right's Activist, here's how I see the two movements: Feminism: There's some systematic bullshit that women face, and we should address that. Men's Right's Activism: There's some systematic bullshit that men face, and we should address that. I disagree with the feminists that say that feminism is about all forms of equality. Feminism is historically tied up with a certain kind of activism, primarily centred around women and women's rights. This is fine, but it also mean…	/r/MensRights	05/11/14 02:04 PM
20	Men get more prize money in 30% of sports, but they outperform women in 99% of sports.Equal Pay? Demand for this kind of entertainment is substantially fuelled by exposure to it. Believe it or not, there was a time when women's football was more popular than men's football, but was then banned by the Football Association. Men's football has had many years of exposure that women's football has not. Spending money on things like prizepools to increase public exposure and therefore demand is a standard strategy (look at the recent rise of E-Sports as an example). As an MRA, I think this is dis…	/r/MensRights	05/11/14 01:47 AM
-1	Some Feminists Advocate that False Rape Accusers "Should Not Be Prosecuted" So one person who defines themselves as a feminist makes a claim, which mean all feminists conform to that claim. If you apply this type of logic, all Men's rights advocates would all be as bad as the most extreme, moronic branch of the Men's rights movement. Just because one person as a part of a group says something, does not mean that everyone within that group agrees.	/r/MensRights	29/01/11 05:06 PM
9	Are there feminist trolls down voting posts to this Reddit? Seems like a lot of down voting is going on. Answer: Probably, but there are also non-feminists and non-trolls (and combinations of the two) who are downvoting posts to this subreddit. In addition, some of those downvotes are in fact warranted.	/r/MensRights	02/01/11 01:40 AM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. You're just positing situations in which you'd be forced to in order to survive. My point is that in a lawless society, you would not kill another for trivial reasons. Thus it is not law that stops you from killing others. What I describe is something that most humans adhere to. The exceptions are known as psychopaths and sociopaths.	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 11:43 PM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. You don't need any food, water or territory. Someone punches you in the face once. I assume you wouldn't kill them. The reason is not external punishment. The reason is internal morality.	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 10:51 PM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. I'd rather 100 people go free than one innocent go to prison. This is the fundamental disagreement between us I feel. I can see how if you believed this, you'd come to many of your conclusions. It seems you are determined to make one group of bad people suffer (malicious false accusers) to the benefit of another (rapists). Again, I guess this boils down to simple differences of opinion. I think rapists are a bigger problem than false accusers. You think the opposite. Knowing the punishment, I ne…	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 10:11 PM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. Ignorance has never been an excuse in the eyes of the law. It shouldn't be one here either. If people don't know the law, then they don't know the punishment for a false accusation. I didn't say complete ignorance. Most people know that rape has a heavy punishment, but don't know the specifics of it. Likewise if you made false accusation have as great a punishment as rape, people who have actually been raped may irrationally fear the massive punishment and thus not accuse. This means that many m…	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 08:05 PM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. Maybe we should just decrease the punishment for rape to remove the incentive to falsely accuse. Or we could campaign for anonymity of the accused until they are proven guilty. The reason for the heavy punishment for rape is that it is a really bad thing. Saying we should reduce the punishment for it is diminishing this fact. A false accusation is not the same as a failed conviction. The difference between a false accusation and a failed conviction lies in the knowledge and intent of the accuser…	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 07:25 PM
1	Demanding longer prison sentences for false rape accusers is a bad idea. Here's why. I'll give you a parallel example. Imagine the punishment for theft were life imprisonment. Of course, using your system, the punishment for false-accusing is also life imprisonment. Someone steals something from you, but you are unsure if you can prove it. You're sure they did it, but only because you know them so well. You're unsure if they'll be found guilty. Do you accuse? Risk averse people would say no. And the thief would get away. Do you acknowledge that having vast punishments for false …	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 06:50 PM
2	"If a woman lies about getting raped, she should go to prison for as long as he would have if he actually did it." -- my sister See this for a detailed description of why I think people like you and your sister are wasting your time and energy espousing these views.	/r/MensRights	18/12/10 03:41 PM
1	False rape claim woman is jailed ;From Chelmsford Weekly News) Would your prognosis change if 1 in 2 people who went to prison for rape were innocent? Surely on that you'd demand a harsher penalty, because of how damaging the average false rape claim was. Likewise, if it was 1 in 500 people who went to prison for rape were innocent, your penalty would be lower for a false accuser, because the damage done by the average false rape claim would be primarily defamation of character. We don't know how many convicts are innocent, we're just going on gut instincts…	/r/MensRights	04/12/10 06:34 PM
1	False rape claim woman is jailed ;From Chelmsford Weekly News) Right, but he wasn't locked up. What he suffered was not years in prison. What he suffered was defamation of character. What I then said was that defamation of character was not, in most cases, worse than an actual rape. Do you agree with that? Also, out of interest, what punishment would you think appropriate for this woman?	/r/MensRights	03/12/10 12:17 PM
1	False rape claim woman is jailed ;From Chelmsford Weekly News) I'm not saying that 18 months isn't light, but actually raping someone is a worse offence than making a false claim about rape in most cases. It's only sexist if a guy made a similar false claim and then got more time than she did. Your argument would apply more if she had raped him, and then got a lower sentence. Basically, there is a difference between defamation of character and rape.	/r/MensRights	01/12/10 01:44 AM
2	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time I'm glad we've found some common ground. I accept that it's not the usual case for the accusers to be mentally ill. Some of these accusers are purely and simply guilty of malicious defamation. Thus they should be punished. I think the next interesting question is: Would you consider there to be other mitigating circumstances other than mental illness? For instance, in the case I posted earlier. If the accuser thinks they have the whole story, when in fact they do not, is it possible for a false …	/r/MensRights	22/11/10 12:36 PM
1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Sure, I'd be willing to accept that. I believe that if a sane person falsely accuses rape with the intent to harm the accused, knowing that they were not raped, then they should be punished. However, I believe that the easiest and most effective way to prevent this happening in the first place is to protect the identity of the accused until they are proven guilty. I think it's difficult to prove malicious intent, and thus they get away with it. There's probably also some sexism involved with tha…	/r/MensRights	22/11/10 12:01 PM
1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time I was trying to construct some semblance of relevant meaning out of your statement. Let's get this straight. I said: This woman falsely accused the men of raping her because of her mental health issues. Then you responded: Women have been known to accuse false rape to avoid being reprimanded for being late tor work. Your statement does not in any way counter my statement. Both are true. "Some women accuse false rape for bad reasons" "Some women accuse false rape for not bad reasons". Your statem…	/r/MensRights	22/11/10 11:30 AM
0	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Why should we bother answering your loaded, antagonistic questions? I feel that if you want to accuse someone of something, you should include evidence. I feel that the claims I have made and questions I have asked have been substantiated by the points discussed. Perhaps I'm wrong. If they are antagonistic, I apologise, but perhaps consider the massive levels of antagonism I have received and put up with since posting here. Would you deny that? In addition, I'm sure you would not consider all of…	/r/MensRights	22/11/10 09:30 AM
1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time So? Tell me how that's relevant? Your argument follows this form: "Some women are bad" "Therefore, all women are bad" With a little ad hominem added on to the end for spice. Just because some women have been known to accuse false rape for malicious reasons does not mean all women accuse false rape for malicious reasons.	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 07:42 PM
1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Nope. What you're doing is known as the straw man logical fallacy. I don't think it is acceptable to ruin men's lives. I don't think women are more important than men. Thus your argument fails at the most basic level. Here's something I wrote. Hopefully you'll actually read it the second time: Basically, the accused people shouldn't be revealed until proven guilty. This means that men's lives won't be ruined by such accusations in the first place.	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 07:32 PM
0	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Couldn't agree more! As discussed here, however, I feel our capacity for fighting is diminished by our unwillingness to discuss our opinions on the intellectual battlefield. EDIT: Oh shit it's the same guy.	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 04:31 PM
-1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Then she should have been sentenced to a correctional psychiatric facility. Perhaps. Certainly if she had some massively severe mental issues she should have. It is malicious. In this case you round up whoever made the accusation on "behalf of" the supposed victim. I see your point. Picture this scenario: A young girl has sex with somebody. Her parents find out. They are unwilling to believe that the young girl had sex with this person of her own consent. The guy's a bit of a shady character. Sh…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 04:21 PM
1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Erm... I didn't. Not sure what else there is to say. I never downvote people unless they aren't contributing to the discussion/are trolling.	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 04:07 PM
-2	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Read the article. According to the judge, this woman falsely accused the men of raping her because of her mental health issues. Other examples could be the cases of people who are made to think by others that they didn't want to have sex and were raped. That's a false accusation with no malicious intent. Our minds are powerful tools - they can recreate events as we'd like to see them. Thus, you can have people who believe that they were raped, while not actually being raped. The only example of …	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 02:42 PM
-1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time You keep only responding to the last point I make. As a response to your point, I would contend that on this subreddit, if I wanted attention, I would not only need to deserve it, but also agree with the majority. Unless you're saying that agreeing with the majority is the only way to deserve attention. In which case I think you have an unhealthy view of ideas. I was hoping for a response to my actual point because I thought you might actually have something to say to counter it. Nothing else. Y…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 02:32 PM
-1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time The reason I made statements like that is because of this: Hopefully she actually gets raped, and then no one believes her. I'd laugh. I'm not saying it's universally the case, but come on. This guy hopes that someone gets raped. Would you not say that that is an example of evil? Actively desiring for someone to be seriously harmed? And it's not statements like that which are getting me downvoted. It's factual statements like this: In addition, the only reason she didn't get sent to jail was her…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:51 PM
-1	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time That's the whole point. Downvoting means that unpopular = censored. If you never hear and discuss dissenting opinions, this might as well be circlejerk. What's the point? Just because this is censorship by the popular majority and not the powerful minority, doesn't mean it's not censorship I'm giving you an opportunity to convert someone. And even if you don't accept massive downvoting as the censorship of unpopular opinions, I think it says something about your group that a guy laughing at a gi…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:34 PM
-2	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Downvoted until 'below threshold'. I don't give a shit about the loss of karma, but the fact that most people will never see what I wrote is a form of censorship. This wasn't just a single, poorly spelt sentence. This wasn't trolling. This was a thought-out response. Scroll down and open my comment to see if I'm really being unreasonable. To give you some perspective, my thoughtful criticism got more downvotes here than the guy who said he'd laugh at a girl getting raped. Stay classy, MensRights…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:13 PM
0	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time The unwillingness of the patrons of this section to actually open up a discussion about the issues that they care about is one of the primary reasons they will never solve their perceived problems. A level of intellectual maturity is required before you get taken seriously. If you honestly think you are in the right, you guys should have no problem refuting my points. It is a sign of massive insecurity when you must censor all opinions that deviate even slightly from your own. I'm a man. I stand…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:02 PM
-3	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time Did you read my post? I didn't excuse anyone. The Judge decided not to send the girl to prison because she had mental health problems. I specifically wrote that it was fine for deliberate defamation of character to be punished. This is what you've just described. My point is that you can't just punish the accuser based on the fact of an unfounded rape allegation. There are many other reasons that they might accuse falsely other than being malicious. THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE IDENTITIES OF THE…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 12:51 PM
-16	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time So you're saying it's all about knowledge. If they KNEW that they hadn't been raped, then they should go to jail. Wouldn't that be incredibly hard to prove in most cases? And if it's a clear case of the accuser fabricating evidence (or just making it up), the accused can sue for defamation. I've got nothing against deliberate defamation of character being punished (though it wouldn't happen if they just kept the identities of the accused secret). In addition, the only reason she didn't get sent …	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:59 AM
-23	Woman makes eight false rape claims, but serves no jail time I know I'll get a lot of downvotes in here for saying this, but I don't think she should serve jail time for false rape claims. If you introduce a punishment for false claims, many people who actually were raped would not come forward (it's hard enough as it is, without the fear that somehow you're being "over-sensitive" and could end up in jail). Sure, there's a lot about rape claims in general that needs to be fixed, but it is on the other side of the coin. Basically, the accused people should…	/r/MensRights	21/11/10 01:22 AM