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Unwanted attention happens regardless of looks, age, marital status, etc. many guys would still do it even if told not to, there's no getting away from it short of disguising yourself as a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:23 PM
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The only way to avoid getting rejected is to never approach anyone at all, but what if no one ever approaches you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 06:11 PM
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Below average guys are given experience despite what this place says. Maybe not as much as "top tier" guys, but it's enough for at least an attempt if they don't have autism. Almost no one is a virgin past 40 after all. Also, "just give them a chance!" does not turn awkward guys into perfect husbands, because awkward guys are just as capable of being mean/incompatible for other reasons, same as anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:59 PM
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The ones who actually need to worry about things like when the next rent and grocery bill is due are focusing on survival. Not ending up on the street is a higher priority than thinking about if they're tall enough for dating so they aren't here to share their viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:47 AM
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By many you mean well under 1%. Prostitution is illegal almost everywhere and has a huge stigma so most are going to go with a regular job. The only ones who would take up that offer are the nearly homeless where the alternative is sleeping on the sidewalk. Or the ones that cater to the upper class, but the vast majority are streetwalkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:10 PM
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Such as a millionaire's.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:06 PM
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I don't know about the rest of you but I'd rather not have half a dozen baby moms because I need external validation from society or too stupid to use a condom. Those behaviors are correlated for a reason and I will never return to that life, even if it means I'm single for the rest of my days, it's not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 04:02 AM
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Another pet peeve, people who carry the bare minimums so you're out all the money because they only had a $5k PD policy. Ideally insurance wouldn't have policy limits or if they do it would be in the millions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:24 AM
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Seems hazardous given how easy it is to link to IRL identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:57 PM
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It's 2026 yet a barbaric practice from 3rd world countries is still legal. Why has no one done anything to change this, instead we get stupid laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:54 PM
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Got a USB cable tester and it turns out not all cables are created equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 09:27 PM
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Red flags I consider to be harmful behavior like doing drugs or texting and driving, icks are behavior that doesn't have to be harmful but I still don't like such as making messes and not cleaning them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 07:29 PM
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No need to tell me that, I'm talking about the guys who panic over "icks" because they're afraid of losing someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:41 PM
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Walking on eggshells to keep someone interested in me is not the kind of life I want to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:35 PM
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That's what it means to me, I'm sure it means something different to other people, but other people don't control what I find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:33 PM
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My personal definition of an "ick" is something that makes me lose attraction no matter what the situation, I don't care what other people think about them because it's my choice, not theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:25 PM
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Maybe being dependent on AI software hosted on someone else's computer is not a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 06:15 PM
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Looks at various Muslim countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:21 PM
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Working class people mostly date other working class people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:54 AM
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There will always be a group of men that ignore current societal norms no matter what. There will also always be some people who will be unhappy no matter what you do. Any moderately attractive woman will get approached no matter what media says, otherwise the number of relationships formed outside of dating apps would be 0% instead of 85%. Choosing to limit your own opportunities only means that others will take them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:58 AM
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I want a new paper mario game in the style of the first 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 05:55 AM
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I've seen that to be a common problem, people have forgotten IRL social skills in favor of magic rectangles, why take risks and face rejection when there's a device that can give most of what you want cheaply? Many want a quick fix and don't want to take time to socialize properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:18 AM
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I like how most of them are places where people specifically tell you NOT to talk to women, almost like listening to strangers who don't have your interests in mind is a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:49 PM
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This is reinforced by everyone, not just women. You don't see any guys standing up for other guys like that, more often than not they'll join in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:09 PM
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Well theoretically I could date Scarlett Johansson, but basing any decisions around that would be very stupid. Just because something could happen doesn't mean it will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:03 PM
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extremely religious cults. Definitely not in the Amish community, Orthodox Jewish or hard-core Catholics. The same places with an average TFR or 5-10? How does that math work out? They can't possibly be worse off than the people that stay at home and doomscroll.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:01 PM
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The internet is funny because less than 5% of the population can hold an opinion, yet it's more than enough to form a space around and amplify it because of how algorithms and discovery works. Basing how the population thinks at large on a single opinion or even a website is a big mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:06 AM
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There is something about the pre-2015 Internet that feels different compared to modern. If I could describe it, there was less of a "corporate" vibe and the "everything made has to have a purpose or make money." I can see it in old flash games, homebrew, and even early Youtube. I wonder if we'll ever get that old vibe back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 07:47 AM
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Better than ending up in prison, paying child support, or in the worst cases, dead. "Choose better" exists for a reason, but it applies to men as well as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:59 PM
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There's no point in having standards if they're folded at the first sign of adversity. Clearly they weren't that important after all, an unfavorable choice is still a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 11:19 PM
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Correct, but it's still their choice to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 10:49 PM
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Was this always a problem or only an issue post-iPhone?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 08:15 PM
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It works for them because enough men decided that those traits weren't dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:58 PM
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At least money has a purpose. Height (above average) isn't useful in the modern era unless it's to get things off the top shelf or be a security guard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:25 PM
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First dates can't determine if someone is good, but it can quickly determine if someone is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:47 AM
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The woman's advice is accurate if you remember that RP is about making MEN happier. It doesn't care about what the woman wants. In fact many make the argument that women being able to make their own money and being able to live on their own hurts men. It's one thing to self improve so more people like you, it's another to tell people they should change their lives to please others. I mean, "Have genuine sexual desire for him?" What is this statement? Are they supposed to force themselves to be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:49 PM
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What it's showing is (in)famous people will never have trouble attracting someone regardless of their morals or looks. If millions of people know who they are, there will be no shortage of options even if less than 1% would consider an interaction. Serial killers are famous, celebrities are famous, Bob from Accounting is not famous. The average person will never have millions of people who know them by name and thus if they don't make an effort, the number of people who are interested in a date …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 05:34 AM
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"Works for people you know" and "works for people in general" are 2 different statements. Most people I know IRL met in person, not on apps. Much easier to talk to the person next to you than to be another message in a 1000+ long notification list (seriously, even average women get TONS of matches).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:35 AM
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You'd be competing against millions of other men, many of which who have more resources for a chance at a woman. If this actually worked, dating apps wouldn't be trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:27 AM
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On a scale of 100s maybe, people were never meant to interact with millions of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:24 AM
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That doesn't seem to be working out too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:23 AM
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Envy is slowly going to kill us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:57 PM
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Yes they do, even now. But many people complain they're too broke for dating, meanwhile the clerks at McDonald's are hitting it off. Seems like a skill issue tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:55 PM
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It got me thinking because a common reason I see cited for not going out or interacting with people is $$$, meanwhile they have a monthly income similar to my parent's ANNUAL salary. But that can't be entirely true given poor people exist in other cultures and don't face these same issues. People have known for centuries about rich and famous people existing through media but they weren't trying to hold out for them, but something about social media changes this? I blame big tech companies, some…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:51 PM
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Being poor/broke was not a disadvantage in the past when it came to dating/relationships, what changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:28 PM
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Seeing people I would never have gotten to see naked otherwise for $5 (or free in the right sites) is a win. None of the bother of having to go through dates or hookups at shady bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:09 AM
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Good luck with that, 99.99% of workers will never have the opportunity to get even $1M over a lifetime and they'll still have all of the same lasting issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 07:06 AM
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Can't imagine that works well in the age of Grindr.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:14 AM
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$500 is still bad compared to even a menial job. It's quite competitive and not as easy as taking a couple of pictures for free money. It works as a side hustle, but risks still apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 02:20 AM
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Take a look at the earnings figures for Onlyfans, very very few earn tons of money and most struggle to earn more than $200/month. Even though Onlyfans is safer and legal, it still has the stigma and risk of people finding out. Why would anyone take that risk if they have access to a middle class or better job that will pay more? Even being a waitress or a cashier is a better option than 95% of OF workers. Anyone who has the option to do something else isn't going to take that path, it's going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:45 PM
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Well depending on where they live, then that could be decent money. Sure in other countries, but I'm assuming this is talking about the US. Also this depends on how hard they would like to work if anything. So its hard to really study for that, especially since this is an illegal field. $60/day for an illegal and dangerous job which pays less than McDonald's who starts at $13-15/hr is not decent money. For reference the median person earns over $200/day. It's far below the poverty line and would…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:26 PM
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A woman consistently paying for a guy to have sex with? The chances of that happening are lower than the chances of me being struck by lightning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:17 PM
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If the average guy was the typical buyer, physical sex work wouldn't have a 100x death rate compared to the average job. There's a reason only certain clientele are interested in prostitutes and it's not just about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:10 PM
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The fact it carries legal risk and that many will object on moral principles is very different from it not being viable. Being able to stay safe and out of jail I would consider part of being viable. If something is legally restricted then it can't be viable unless it's a low chance of getting caught like overseas scammers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:09 PM
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I'll take being a 2020s man over an 1800s man any day, slightly easier dating does not make up for the other downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:09 PM
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I'm here for the entertainment and delusions. It contrasts so sharply with my lived experiences I find it hard to believe most of these people are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 08:05 PM
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Criminals aren't going to have the same inhibitions that a regular or awkward guy does, they'll go for any opportunity regardless of norms or legality. That's something that anyone can do regardless of looks or money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:56 PM
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Same, back when I used to live around that area. I much prefer middle class problems over possibly putting my life or belongings at risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:54 PM
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It disproves that only "rich and hot" guys interest so there must be something else involved. It's much easier to become a criminal than to make 6 figures, sure it's bad for your life, but if someone is desperate enough and nothing else matters...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:51 PM
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Someone always has a story about how deadbeats and criminals never struggle to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:19 PM
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There's people younger than Minecraft that are on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 05:59 PM
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"Oh no she likes me, better break up IMMEDIATELY."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:55 AM
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If you are decently attractive and listed on IG. It's a possibility. So is winning the lottery, doesn't make it a realistic option for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:22 AM
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That's honestly good enough for some dudes. As long as they have sex and the option of walking away afterwards without investing anything, otherwise prostitution wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 09:59 PM
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Which bot is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:48 PM
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It may not be their fault, but it's still their responsibility to deal with it, same as any other disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:16 PM
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I don't have the time to present papers, but last time I looked into it it was in the low single digit percents, it's not normal to have NO experience before 30 despite what this place looks like. If someone has nothing, there's a reason behind it whether it's from lack of options, religion, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:04 PM
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Because the law won't let us and there's very little pedestrian infrastructure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:33 PM
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Depends on where you live, 4 miles in a place with good infrastructure isn't bad, 4 miles along a 55mph highway with no sidewalk is very dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:17 PM
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It's objectively safer than ever, yet people are afraid to the point of not letting their kids play in the yard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:16 PM
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I've heard that it sometimes works out, but I would have a better chance of winning the 6 figure scratch-offs than finding someone through any social media with the number of catfish, scammers, etc. I know enough about the Internet that no one ever chats up strangers unsolicited unless they're trying to get something from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:12 PM
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That can be considered child endangerment depending on State laws, some people will call the cops if they see someone without an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:10 PM
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You give them your address and they determine what bus stop they can go to. If they don't qualify then they have to get there some other way which most of the time would be driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:59 PM
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I had a similar thing growing up along with it being nearly impossible to go over half a mile without encountering high speed roads and making a car mandatory to get anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:52 PM
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I wouldn't date anyone I met here either, but it's not the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:43 PM
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Today I learned we live too close to the school for the bus, but it's too far to safely walk so driving everyday is required. How did we get to a point where a 1.5 mile walk is impossible for a 12yo to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:41 PM
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That was revealed when twitter displayed the location of many popular "Western" accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:29 PM
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If poor guys are priced out of the market, then explain the fertility curve?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:59 AM
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Not working and living off the benefits? That doesn't work anywhere in the US except maybe for the slums. They're likely working under the table or living with someone else who covers part of the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:58 AM
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Most of the SAHMs are going to be in the upper half of society, not the bottom half.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:22 AM
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Many of those are regular social checks not specific to dating, but what short of "I like you, would you like to go on a date" is a green light?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:42 PM
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Because I don't condone the activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 05:34 PM
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They are free to make the choice, however others are free to judge them for it. It's one thing to look for [preferred race] locally, it's another to spend money on a plane ticket because "[insert keyword] women suck."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:28 PM
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6 day old troll account, will probably be banned soon, do not feed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:48 AM
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On one hand they shouldn't be doing it, on the other hand taking power away from blackmailers is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:02 AM
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They're telling on themselves, likely from growing up in a bad environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:27 PM
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Even being a PPB doesn't guarantee success and in addition requires money and a job that allows for it. The only way to guarantee success for every man is arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:24 PM
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You made the claim, you back it up, all the tools you need to do it are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:37 PM
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Use a VPN and delete cookies, it's still the same result. It's going to start with what's most popular, then narrow down to specific interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:18 PM
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If it works better, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:34 PM
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Of course they do, but the probability is different. My mother would never trust a male when it comes to any woman-specific healthcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 04:30 PM
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It's a modern luxury to care about standards beyond "can they afford food and a place to live?"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 01:01 PM
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$60k for a single person is decent money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:45 PM
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Can't say I blame them, after knowing what my family went through with some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:43 PM
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Apparently it's a lot to ask for someone with decent credit, no criminal history and not wildly out of shape. It's a constant struggle but many people from bad backgrounds assume that this is normal because they've never known better.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 12:41 PM
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The difference is that having the looks, etc. gives them the opportunity even if they don't take it, while with someone less desirable it remains an unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:00 AM
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Yup I agree. I assume you're a software engineer? I do make software, but it's nowhere close to 6 figures and is basically enough to support myself and hobbies until I can inherit a house or find a woman who makes similar or more than me. A SWE that works at FAANG can easily support a whole family on his own income. But he is an outlier. Most men wouldn't be able to do that. The kind of men who are both young and make >$100k are less than 5% of the working population, most guys at that age don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 04:32 PM
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The ones with leverage are not going to be writing posts, they're going to be outside having a good time because they don't see a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:40 PM
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Most of the gains go to people who own the businesses, not the workers who might see a marginal pay bump while rent +60%.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:37 PM
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Being traditional is discouraged for a reason, it's OK if it works out, but if something goes wrong it's very bad so mothers told their daughters to avoid such arrangements and work on their careers instead. This means more men lose out, but on average everyone is happier. At least make sure he makes a lot of money and you're able to save for if something goes wrong. Allowing someone else to hold all of the leverage over your life is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:32 PM
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It's a great time until tourists make everything more expensive for the locals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:24 PM
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My guess is the ones that do want to be stay at home moms can't find someone who makes enough to do so instead of getting a job themselves. At least if she has a job herself she can make her own decisions and isn't beholden to someone who doesn't even have money. There's no shortage of broke guys, but who would want to live in that household? Now if he made 10x as much that would be a different story, but those are a much smaller percentage of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:16 PM
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Don't paint them as virtuous when their intentions are anything but. They don't care about "saving" anyone, it's entirely self interest. If they didn't think it was benefiting them, they wouldn't do it, the woman doesn't matter at all. They're traveling because they either can't find anyone who's interested, or those that are interested aren't worth it to them. It's funny because many complain about being wanted for their money, but then proceed to spend 4-5 figures going overseas, but it's bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:11 PM
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The way I see it, you are a failed adult if you can't do chores or provide for yourself, can't expect someone else to save the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:59 PM
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They aren't mad at gold diggers, they're mad that they can't afford them locally so jump to another country where they seem rich by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:50 PM
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I don't know why people complain about sperm donors when the outcomes of people raised by sperm donors are similar to the outcomes of people raised by both parents, the average sperm donor recipient is significantly better off than the average person. The "single mother bad" statistics aren't coming from that group, it's coming from parents who never married or married and divorced, or a hookup/birth control gone wrong. No one's consent is being violated, so what's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:27 PM
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You said wealth makes your life better but not for everyone. Sure, some people wouldn't be happy with more money, but most would be. Very few people would turn down a raise or money with no strings attached. I could keep going with good examples like Bernie Madoff. How'd wealth work for him, bro? He committed a crime to get that money and kept defrauding people long after he already had it. It's very different from getting money through legal means like a job or winning the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 06:22 PM
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Replacing the algorithm and profit motive would go a long way. Not sure how much it would improve outcomes though as social media is also a big part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:58 PM
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That's debateable. Too many sports athletes and lottery winners went broke and were worse off for it. They went broke because of their bad decisions after they got the money, not the money itself. There's a difference between being good with money but always being broke because of no opportunities and the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:51 PM
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Women go after older guys more ONLY if they have money. An older guy with no money is not going to be picked before a young guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:46 PM
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No, in fact it's even worse and criminal behavior is more common, point is the "go for unattractive people because they're safer" trope needs to burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:40 PM
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Let me know when the 60 year old homeless guys in the cities get interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:34 PM
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These people have never lived in places where the average income is $18k/year.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:32 PM
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Horrible idea, if you want someone punished, you should have to prove they committed the crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:39 PM
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Indeed, it's possible to do everything correctly, and still lose simply because of where you live, being passed over for a job, or because you left the house a few minutes too early/late to meet your future spouse. But that's life, and there's nothing you can do about the luck part.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:46 PM
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It's like poker, needs both good skill and good luck for a good outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:15 PM
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That is true, but at least you couldn't be arrested for getting one like some states are doing now. This is what the state chooses to waste our money on instead of the thousands of higher priority and more threatening crimes that are committed every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:08 PM
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It's human nature, most people would rather be rich than have a fair life because it's better for their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:07 PM
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It's banned in certain states, but many people including the ones that helped write those laws have no problem booking a trip to a state that does allow it meaning only the people that live in those states AND don't have the ability to travel get screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 05:53 PM
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The vast majority of people don't look so bad they'll be disqualified on looks alone, but they may need other traits to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:56 PM
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Can I trade places with Jack? It annoys me when upper middle class people complain about not finding dates as the worst hardship they'll ever face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:48 PM
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If she didn't want you she would leave, this isn't 1955. If you think she didn't want you then leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 10:41 PM
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If it was really that great they would save up the money for a 1 way plane ticket and not bother the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:15 PM
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The vast majority of guys aren't hot enough to get dates on looks alone, so they need social skills. People with low or no social skills (ie autism) are going to have a harder time regardless of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:07 PM
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Guys with that issue aren't hot enough for women to want sex on sight though, that's why they need social skills like the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 10:06 PM
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Local sugar babies require a good chunk of change usually in the 4 figure range.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:56 PM
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People make mistakes, they learn from them and they share notes with others so they don't make them again (mostly). The bad behavior of a FEW specific people is making EVERYONE lonelier as they're less willing to take risks. Why is this even a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 09:32 PM
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If they had to force their way into my house because the door is locked, yes. They could've knocked, rang the doorbell, or do anything else besides forcing entry. At that point they have 0 good intentions and likely mean harm to me, my family, or property. No one forced them to break in and risk their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 07:43 PM
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The difference is that in the old days, they weren't highly visible and easy to access via electronics. The only way you would hear about them is if they were a famous public figure or you happened to live nearby. I haven't given up, but many other guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:30 PM
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It's simple, many aren't interested or actively looking for guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:26 PM
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It's about competition, being 1/10 is difficult but doable, being 1/10000 is not. The skill issue here is being forced to compete with people who make several times more money than me and have far better looks who normally wouldn't be visible outside of their respective circles pre-apps. Dating locals only works if they're actually interested and there aren't policies against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:25 PM
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If that is true, then why spend money on a plane trip and hotels, just go to a different city or state.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:22 PM
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It's a great idea if you want to be ostracized, disowned, and down several thousand bucks. Using other countries as a solution for dating is looked down upon very harshly here, being a virgin has much less stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:20 PM
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Besides them saying no because they found someone hotter from the next town over or an interaction going bad and causing false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:07 PM
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This is treating someone who's in prison as non-criminal because they're currently incapable of committing crime. Someone without any options doesn't make them a good option, it makes them an unknown with uncomfortable questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 08:48 PM
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The people that can afford to travel and leave are not the average person in Afganistan, they're going to be among the top people there which makes life much easier and paints a false picture of the average person. There's a reason you don't see people eager to migrate to these places. Take away their assets and citizenship and they would be singing a different tune.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:50 PM
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"If I can't have it then no one else can", they wouldn't be pushing for it if they were one of the ones on top, so forcing someone to be tied to them is appealing since they can't find anyone they like otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:42 PM
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There's no guarantee that ANYONE will have a good personality or morals solely based on looks within their control, but at least the hot guy is more fun initially.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 12:28 PM
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I get a lot more compliments when I'm out with my ebike, wonder if this means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:04 AM
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I was on the multi-use paths in the city yesterday, lots of normal people and not models or super tall guys, the ones stuck here do not represent reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:57 PM
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Seems like sour grapes caused by rejection, I doubt they would actually turn down someone that was interested and otherwise suitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:55 PM
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I've seen fat women, but the guy is usually fat as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 07:48 PM
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I believe it, same people will claim they don't have any money as they spend 100s on Doordash.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:39 PM
1

Sounds to me like the bad relationships I hear about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:05 PM
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I'm not, cooking and cleaning is part of being a functioning adult, not a special ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:05 PM
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Most people can't afford a live in maid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:04 PM
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It's one of the reasons why I've seen men seek out relationships besides sex. "I don't have to clean up after myself" is for some reason appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:21 AM
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Bad parents then, what will they do when they grow up and don't have someone waiting on them hand and foot?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 11:20 AM
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Why is housework from women so valued when anyone can do that assuming they're able-bodied? Or if they have enough money hire someone to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:57 AM
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Financial ruin is only a problem if you make a ton of money and decide to marry someone who's rather broke, it's not a worry for the bottom 80% of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:46 AM
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Most women are not looking for an average guy making $40k instead of simply getting their own job, the fear is overblown.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:31 PM
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Most men will never be able to be sole providers (support family on on single income), some might not even be primary bread winners. In fact most men weren't sole providers pre-1950s because everyone had work to do, the single income household was an aberration caused by an unusually high income and low COL post-WW2 that will never be repeated. So they'll never have the opportunity to meet a SAHM because they don't make enough money and many women wouldn't be interested in being a SAHM even if i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 11:30 PM
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Idk, ask the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:46 PM
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I'm thinking about all the guys who said they saw traveling as a bad thing because they think they'll be expected to pay for everything. But maybe she has enough money to regularly take nice vacations which would be a green flag, not a red one. Self-funded means they can afford it without external help.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:24 PM
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Unrealistic fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:20 PM
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I don't see the problem with wanting to travel as long as it's self funded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:20 PM
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That is a possibility, but it's still shouldn't be treated as common without further data. Or are we supposed to assume manosphere logic is normal too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:20 PM
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Sure, but random ragebait on social media is not one of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:17 PM
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Most men who are marrying arent trapped in poverty or dire straits like you are and so your general advice to men is useless. Instead of giving advice to the general audience, you should recognize you are an outlier with little income and your standards dont apply to the majority of men. Except I'm not? Most men don't make 6 figures, fewer still when young. The outlier here are people who think having a 6 figure tech job and poorly managing their money is normal. I'm in the 45th percentile which…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:14 PM
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That's how it should work unless you have statistics or data showing >30% of the population believe it. Anecdotes from social media or localized social circles don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:40 PM
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I wonder if this bicycle actually goes 50mph.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:33 PM
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There's people that think the moon is made out of cheese, but assuming the average person believes it is a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:31 PM
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Because a SAHW can contribute to the household outside of bringing in income usually but in your outlier case, you cant have one because you dont make a lot of money That's a setup that would work if I made 3x what I did and didn't care about the woman's money. "that" being in reference to a woman bringing in income and helping pay bills I said they needed to contribute, I did not say they had to be high earning. When you said "considering finances is part of dating" and the fact you later clari…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 04:21 PM
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They'll get interest back if she succeeds in losing weight, but by then it's likely too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:10 PM
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Where did I say I needed that? I said that they need to have significant contributions to the household, ie they need to be making half my income or greater which shouldn't be hard considering I make slightly less than average for my area. My life should be made easier by adding another person, not harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:08 PM
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The social aspect is important, but I'm not going to accept any rando because of it, they need to be compatible as well. Lying is an option for the people who don't mind their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:51 PM
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Then considering finances is a part of dating. Ignoring them never leads to a better outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:14 PM
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Yeah a guy that signed over custody can still be put on child support, just like alimony. Yes, they still have to pay if the other person has full custody, that's how it works. So because a wealthy guy showed a poor w0man the good life he now has to pay for that lifestyle for her? Have you actually looked up how much child support is? It's never half the man's income, the point isn't to give them a rich life, the point is to prevent them from going into poverty and ruining our lives because of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:13 PM
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Yet they all have to because w0m3n dont have financial value. Wrong, everyone is capable of making money unless they're disabled. I make 6 figures yet all the f3males ive talked to make 30k why should I be forced to date a poor person? No one is forcing you, but the consequences of dating significantly someone poorer should be noted. If you date someone poorer because it's easier and get screwed over later because of it, there's nothing that can be done at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:08 PM
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If she's not willing to contribute to the upkeep of the household, then why is she still around? I ask that question of every able bodied adult who isn't paying rent or contributing in some way similar to a NEET.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:47 PM
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Then men shouldn't be marrying someone several tax brackets down, poorer men benefit from marrying rich women and have been awarded child support in many cases. Another way to avoid child support is to get primary custody, but most guys would rather pay the child support and move on with their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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Cherrypicking doesn't disprove data.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:45 PM
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If that were true, then the average guy wouldn't be married and at least 80% wouldn't have fathered children. The only places where that is remotely close to being true are apps where it's almost 80% men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 01:08 PM
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The option is that, talking to an nvidia gpu programmed to say what you want to hear, or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:50 PM
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It doesn't have to be that cheap, but it shouldn't be more expensive than my ebike. There's plenty of nice rings in the sub $1000 range that still have precious metals and gems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:40 PM
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Some people care more about having status than a stable living situation. Needless to say a 4+ figure ring is never happen, would rather save that for a house or vacation. Plus those can be lost or stolen, replacing a $100 ring is no big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:36 PM
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$3k is more than enough to build a powerful machine, could really be done on $2500 or so. Look at RTX 5080 and 9950x3d.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:36 PM
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No, but my parents were and we never had any money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:24 PM
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It's easy to date up when you make less than 2/3rds of people, it also avoids problems typical in low income arrangements.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:35 PM
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Because they wouldn't be compatible with my lifestyle, I don't want to repeat the last 20 years being in near poverty and being a sole provider is of no interest to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:33 PM
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What does quick mean? Less than a minute, 5 minutes, within the same hour or day? I don't want to give people the impression that I'm available 24/7 and able to chat at 3am.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:44 PM
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Correct, that's why I don't deal with high maintenance women and anyone else who is put off by frugal behavior. Ideally I would've caught it long before the wedding stage, flashy and expensive ceremonies are not my thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:37 PM
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My mother's second wedding was about $500 I think, they used the saved money towards a down payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:37 PM
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I know the wedding tax exist because resteraunts and clothing stores will specifically add markups if they hear it's for a wedding, it's a big sham because they don't actually improve anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:35 PM
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If I have to spend $10k of my own money instead of saving for a house then obviously she doesn't actually love me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:31 PM
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Is there a reason weddings are expected to be expensive affairs? A marriage license here costs less than $100 yet many people claim they can't afford to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:37 AM
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Lie until you aren't anymore. There are no benefits to revealing it and lots of potential downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 05:05 PM
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If it works it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:07 AM
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Median salary includes 40-60 year olds which are peak earnings, it's not relevant for people looking to start a family. Something like 10% of people under 30 or so make over $60k/year yet Reddit makes it out as if every other person is working a cushy 6 figure tech job.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:35 PM
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Hotel, car seat, woods, other house, get creative people. It's a great dampener on dating, especially for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:32 PM
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Making $100k is top 5% territory as a young guy, it's far from common. Much easier to pool 2 $50k incomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:27 PM
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Low standards are dangerous, case in point 80% of my family. Most of them are in poverty, drug addicts, or prison. If she sleeps with anyone then she is seen as undesirable, but if she has standards, then it's her fault for not picking THAT MAN. The only winning move is not to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:18 PM
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That's the top 15% where I'm from, it's not common at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 10:15 PM
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In my 20+ years of life, I have learned that there is ZERO women who are interested in me alone. It's pretty clear what rejection is which has never been an issue for me. I assume any friendliness is not flirty and if they aren't making their interest blatant then they aren't really that motivated anyway. It's always scammers, OF spammers, or someone looking for a free ride. If they are talking to me, it's because they want something such as money or a place to live and I don't care for those ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:11 AM
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Yep, it's not easy finding someone that matches my own standards even if they are less strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:28 AM
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Best I can do is 5/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:15 AM
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Men are willing to put up with more in exchange for goods and sex (too much in my opinion.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:13 AM
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I get probable scams and some wanting me to buy their OF, 0 genuine LOIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:09 AM
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Happy people don't take to forums to complain so you won't hear their input. You're only hearing from the people having problems regardless of if they're 2% or 20% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 02:49 AM
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Sounds like an upgrade to me, being disliked by everyone is very bad for getting promotions or laid off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 08:38 PM
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It's paid for by ads and whales.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 03:03 PM
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By dismantling you mean changing who gets slightly more preferential treatment while continuing to screw over everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:23 PM
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Women are an integral part of their own problem. Probably when your parents met, your mother didn’t have a checklist of 100 requirements that your father had to cross off. More than likely your parents met at a social function and that was pretty much it. Today’s pickiness has gotten a little out of control. I wish my parents were pickier about each other, then I wouldn't have grown up below the poverty line for 3 quarters of my life. I don't want to repeat that situation that my parents or even…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:22 PM
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Men have those as well. And you are coming for nothing because most people are fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 03:15 PM
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If the flat earth theory was false it wouldn't have a following.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:53 PM
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Women being financially independent isn't a new development, it's been true since at least the 1980s. There was nothing stopping a woman making their own money instead of shacking up with a random man in hopes that he provides. What is new is dating apps, antisocial behavior, and social media, blame those for the current predicament.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:53 PM
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The ability to get sex easily with 0 investment is the appeal to guys, it's like prostitution except no money or dating is required. They may simply not want it at a particular time, but there's still nothing stopping them from starting a relationship on the fly. "Sex material" is simply a combination of "sex material" and "husband material," and the only thing separating them from the latter is the lack of desire to become a "husband." There is no guarantee that every casual encounter that a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:50 PM
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The last genz was born in 2014, wait until they're all over 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 11:32 PM
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I don't believe that either unless they're well below average, even I've had opportunities to reject people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:07 PM
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Everyone has the option to reject someone, no one is forced into relationships outside of places with arranged marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:58 PM
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Yet another terminally online thing that almost no one IRL does, but some think is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:58 PM
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Except most people in the West don't want that or they would be doing it already. People prefer to choose their own partners or live alone without the fear of coercion, if birth rates are to be improved it must be done by respecting consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:56 PM
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For the men here with 0 options, sure. But for most women and even average guys, it's horrifying. I don't want my parents coercing me into marrying someone I don't like and there's always an element of coercion to it (accept this marriage or else).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:09 PM
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No thanks, rather be alone than with someone physically repellant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:41 AM
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It's probably from the woman-specific harassment many will get if people find out. It doesn't mean all gamers are like this, but the ones responsible for this behavior ruin it for the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:37 AM
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What's sad is I bet most people think this is a wonderful idea at least in theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:30 AM
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This is yet another viewpoint that exists exclusively in PPD and not the world at large. Guys here only say that to increase their own chances however slight. If it's unfair to assume someone is bad because they're ugly, then it's also unfair to assume they're bad because they're attractive, can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:28 AM
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Get yourself an ebike, it's like a regular bike except electric.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:33 AM
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I ride a bike so I don't pay $3000/yr in car fees. Seems smart to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:26 AM
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That's less of a problem on the guy's side and the average person seems to make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 02:22 PM
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It's not completely useless, but it's a very bad idea for a guy to rely on OLD as their sole source of dates. Women can do it fine because they'll have 100s of guys interested if they're even moderately attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 01:22 PM
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That includes relationships starting from places like forums and social media, not exclusively dating apps. I've even heard of people meeting via games.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 01:14 PM
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Women choosing to be single is not a crime. If a guy is single it's not anyone's problem to solve but their own as that requires consent from at least one other person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:27 PM
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Pure desperation, anyone who's actually had to live with these kinds of people would know better, but some get a fist to the face or a night in jail before they learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:49 AM
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Remember that this is not representative of guys as a whole, it's concentrated with people who have almost no success and it really can be that hard if they don't have decent looks or social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:47 AM
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Easy solution for all the single guys here, start slinging dope.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:41 AM
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Then what anti-social behaviors are women doing that's not already illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:39 AM
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By many you mean people mostly in the bottom 25% of society where criminal behavior is very common? Because I can tell you right now the typical middle class suburbanite is not hitting up the county jail looking for guys when they have more than enough to pick from their own social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:38 AM
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Translation: Women should be forced via economic or social coercion to be sex slaves instead of finding an alternative that makes everyone happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 03:33 AM
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It's a lot of men, but it's not the majority of men nor is it the average. The bottom 10% won't be competition at all while the top 10% isn't an option for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 11:35 PM
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The majority of guys are seen as attractive by at least one person which is all that's needed for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:02 PM
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Game is for average and below average men. Aka the middle 80% of guys for whom attractiveness alone is not enough to determine their fate. If you aren't a model, you will need some social skills or whatever term is used to get interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:38 PM
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Many guys now are afraid they will lose their job or be arrested for basic socialization and think apps are the only approved route despite few women being on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:30 PM
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It isn't entirely about money, there's a big cultural factor as well. It's possible to be rich but still have trashy behavior and vice versa, clean poor people exist. Aim for the ones that are broke, but don't have bad behaviors like poor credit, a criminal record, drug addiction, and too many baby daddys. However aiming for someone above your social/economic status make it so much harder because you're competing with other people at their level while having very little in common with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:18 AM
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Of course they end up with someone of a similar status, but the goal isn't "hot and rich women" in most cases, it's "finding a woman at all" or at least of a similar status. Many many guys are complaining about even trashy women not being interested in them when they appear to be middle - upper middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:11 AM
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So the guys in the trailer park and ghettos count as "lottery winners" to you because they have a sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:48 AM
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We call it a "tenuous grasp of reality". People will see something on the big (movies, TV) or small (social media) screen and think it represents real life or should be taken as anything other than entertainment. It's not new as it happens time and time again, but every generation falls for it the same even if the media changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:39 AM
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Less than 5% of people earn as much as the typical dentist while 65% of people are in relationships, your statement is mathematically impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:37 AM
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These girls tend to be off the market fast or they aren't interested in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:33 AM
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Some rules are flexible if other traits make up for it, but I have a few immutable ones like no obesity or criminal record that are always deal breakers even if they were a millionaire model. I bet people would break their "6ft+ only" rule if a younger Tom Cruise (5'8) was interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:04 AM
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Something like 2-3% of the population is responsible for 40-80% of the virgins and incels. Having autism or bading social skills almost immediately puts them in the bottom 20% unless they have exceptional qualities to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 12:49 AM
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Being a terrible person has consequences outside of dating that discourage this sort of behavior. It only works if the people around them don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 03:54 PM
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Dead people don't have problems you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 11:14 PM
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99.99% of women aren't eligible to be flown out by multimillionaires, there's not enough of them. They'll still get interest from people above them, but it's going to be guys a couple brackets up, not an entirely different social circle with almost no overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 10:59 PM
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Committing a crime is much easier than trying to get matches or socialize.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:05 PM
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If it gets you in the door long enough to show off your less visible good traits that's a win. Just keep them reasonable and not like 6 inch platforms. Guys don't get mad when they see a woman without makeup so why should this be any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:53 PM
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Her loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:52 PM
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If they're willing to cheat WITH you they're willing to cheat ON you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:51 PM
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Again thats easy for someone who never went without would say. I'm speaking as someone who hasn't had a woman interested in them since high school, besides some bums, but those don't count. It's easy for me because I've seen how very, very, very wrong relationships can go, especially when you're lower class.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:50 PM
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Then stay alone, no woman is worth your assets, sanity, or possibly your life. Pressuring people into bad relationships should be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:47 PM
1

SA is more common than it appears because of under-reporting, but who knows how many guys have experienced SA, I'm not going to assume anything unless they say it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:34 PM
2

They still need to be somewhat picky with who they choose, they shouldn't wife up anyone that gives them interest regardless of their background.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:32 PM
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They're getting interest from the wrong women in an inappropriate manner. Or it's 2 different groups of guys complaining, I never see someone desperate for any contact complain about being groped. Consent matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:14 AM
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At least they can end up with a partner Naive take, there is no end of damage a bad partner can do to you. At least cats won't run up the credit card bill, attempt to murder you, sabotage your life, etc. "ANY partner is better than nothing" is a bad take that needs to die, have some standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 11:01 AM
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Most people aren't getting shot if they stay out of gangs and high crime areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:07 PM
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I remember a study about teen pregnancy last year that I can't find for the life of me. It found that overall teen pregnancies in the US has decreased and so has the amount of drug use. But the use of contraceptive has decreased as well. Also the amount of sex the boys have been having stayed the same mostly with some small dips. While both the amount of sexual violence experienced by girl and sexual activity for girls increases. Increasing the danger of sex and people learning the risks of it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:00 PM
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No, it's a teenager - mid 20s thing, but teenagers and 20 somethings are having less sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 12:51 PM
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Blaming it on decreased alcohol intake this time lol. Not going to parties or other social events and avoiding alcohol decreases chances of sex, this has been proven multiple times before. Why not say it like it is ? Most sexless men are sexless because they are not physically attractive enough to women. Because it's mostly false, men (and women) have not decreased in attractiveness over the past 50 years. What has changed is people becoming more socially isolated and technology gaslighting peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 11:27 AM
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I don't assume they aren't nice immediately, but I get the sense that something is wrong if they get ZERO interest if they're looking for it. Sometimes they dig their own hole, sometimes it's social isolation, but in the end there's always a reason even if it can't be deduced from online interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 10:30 PM
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If you give them advice that worked for 75% of guys, but not them, it would still be seen as a failure from their perspective. Good advice will still be seen as bad if it doesn't result in attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:44 PM
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I'd rather not end up a target or a fist in my face.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:39 PM
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no one has ever seen an unattractive bad boy. Trivial to disprove by looking at the mugshots in the local county jail. They aren't going to be famous, but they always seem to have someone willing to put up with their trashy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:40 PM
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Dating apps That's the problem here, do the same studies in a place where men don't outnumber women 4 to 1 like college or some workplaces. People need to stop relying on apps as their sole point of contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:19 PM
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Someone doesn't have to be datable or attractive to make a good friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:03 PM
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This isn't shameful, if someone says it is, find the nearest legal way to remove them from your life. No amount of pressure will make someone I'm unattracted to at a visceral level change my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:02 PM
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Don't listen to the people that think the only worthwhile contact is hookups and harems, they don't live your life. They have a point about not being a doormat, but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:59 PM
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What do you want me to do? I don't care about the state of the current world when deciding to have children, I care about my own personal life. Without welfare and in my current situation, I would take a major hit to my standard of living and I won't be a deadbeat like my father or grandfather. I've been literal weeks away from homelessness at some points and I'm expected to bring a child into a world without any security where I can find myself without a job overnight?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:04 PM
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I'd sooner talk to a sex worker than a good 3/4ths of the guys here, can't say I wouldn't do the same thing after seeing how much some of them brought home.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 03:39 AM
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I imagine it will still need at least 1 consenting woman for the required eggs in the same way sperm donations need consenting guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:53 PM
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That's how I think of it too, devices affordable to the average person, not high level FAANG engineers or executives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:52 PM
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People making $25k/yr don't have $25k in disposable income, they're lucky if they have $500.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:51 PM
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I expect it to become viable in a decade or so, but be comparable to IVF in cost or even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:50 PM
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There's no doubt that it will help people in the upper tax bracket who want children, but they would need to be having 6-8+ kids to make up for the shortfall to reach an average of 2. If the average person is only having 1.5 kids, a lot of work needs to be done to make that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:49 PM
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Would artificial wombs really change anything since they'll be unaffordable to most people like surrogacy is? It's pushed as an alternative to pregnancy, but it can't be used for solving the problem at scale if only the top 5% can afford it. What will replace the under $25k bracket where many babies used to come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:43 PM
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It's intentional, their goal is making money, not relationships. Someone getting a realtionship stops earning money, someone going from hookup to hookup doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 06:58 PM
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Is OP still in high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:50 PM
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Most guys weren't nobility, they were peasants who did stressful labor for hours each day and little hope of advancement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 02:47 PM
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People don't care if you have autism, they care that you act strange and are socially inept, and are not interested in looking beyond that. Masking is almost always a requirement, people aren't going to give you special treatment if you have a disability, in fact the opposite might happen since they have the choice of finding someone without one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:13 PM
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In trailer parks, hoods, and other low income areas, there's a fairly strong correlation between looks and income around here, but even then most of them had at least a GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 11:03 PM
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The way I see it, if you travel across borders for the explicit purpose of dating OR sex, you're a PPB and will be treated accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:38 PM
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I agree. The problem is there are less and less people in happy relationship, in part because of the happy standards and the insane amount of flaming hoops men are expected to jump through, while also being expected to never make women ever feel uncomfortable, and if men fail any of that the penalties range from benign to rather severe. This is not just a romance issue, it's a societal one as well. People's social circles are getting smaller including IRL friends, people are less tolerant of mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:38 AM
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Most attractive women don't need to resort to apps or speed dating to get interest, they date within their existing circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:16 AM
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And yet those are the standards women have of men. Sure, let me query the guys in the trailer park a few miles away to see if this is representative of reality. You're seeing what a very loud and extreme segment of the population is saying and taking it as the baseline. People in happy relationships aren't talking about extreme standards. And that is survivorship bias because you see those who have succeeded at getting into a relationship. Ask the men who difficult it was to get a relationship i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 03:09 AM
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Hence women basically just needing to exist, while men needing to be charismatic, funny,have a good job, entertaining, good looking, kind, caring, attractive, make a lot of money, on top of spending all the effort to approach, talk to, engage with and ask out women, plan for dates, and pay for dates. Good lord where were these guys when my mom was dating? Those aren't high standards, those are in the stratosphere in a way that I've only seen from the terminally online. Nearly everyone I know IRL…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:49 AM
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Wokeism ruined dating. No, billionaires and the influencers they give money to ruined dating, then they told everyone to blame each other instead of them. You know it's bad when the average man is too afraid to even say "hi" to a beautiful woman at the grocery store. People should not be petrified by basic social interactions, unfortunately modern society has made it entirely too easy to exist without talking to a single person for months at a time and the few interactions that do happen feel fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 02:16 AM
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I thought driving a car would be great until I found out I need to spend roughly $4000 per year NOT including the car itself, this is because of license + registration + fees. This is before I can legally even put a single mile on it and the cost of maintaining it is even more. So instead I got an ebike because I don't travel very far most of the time and I don't have to do the whole license thing. Something like 90% of people have a drivers license, but judging by how people drive, only 2/3rds …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:30 AM
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A game streamer (plays mostly romhacks) I watch was talking about the modern dating environment, they're a bit older (late 30s) and not one of the manosphere types. I find it interesting how he commented that it's very difficult for places to find dates in modern times because most of the traditional places like work are vilified, no one wants to talk to each other anymore and will cut each other off at the slightest thing, and apps are a nonstarter for most people. He was also talking about peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:26 AM
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I've been called at least a dozen things ranging from woman to slurs for having a couple opinions that aren't in lockstep.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 12:48 AM
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The average man has standards too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:39 PM
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Unfortunately the average house price has increase by almost 100% and rent has gone up by about 70% while wages haven't increased nearly that much. The place where I live would be entirely unaffordable by 2025 standards, but we still have a 2019 mortgage payment/interest rate on it. Owning a house does come with some big ticket items like roof replacement and other unexpected surprises, but overall it has saved money over renting the past 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 11:09 AM
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I like living in a place where rent doesn't increase by 5-10% every year while my wages go up 2%. A mortgage payment will remain the same for all 30 years and the only recurring expense at that point is property taxes which are very small here. If I pay a mortgage for 30 years, I have a house in my name, if I pay rent for 30 years I have nothing. Renting means that you are subject to more restrictions based on what the landlord and local ordinance allows. Now there are upsides to renting in some…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 10:55 AM
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Changed as a whole? No, but it has added to my experience in combination with my own personal observations and the overall world in a way that's congruent with reality, ie no 80/20 or any of that. It helps to remember that this most people here aren't talking about the average person, they're talking about their own personal experiences which lead them here one way or the other. Many people here seem to think apps are the primary or even the only way to date as data is often used by them when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:47 PM
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I keep telling guys here this, but many only think socializing is worth it if there's a pretty girl waving to them at the end of it. Being bad at socializing doesn't just ruin your dating life, it makes everything harder because people are going to be biased towards who they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 04:59 PM
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These are contradictory statements. If men truly value women just for their bodies, then providing something else would not give them more value. That statement isn't contradictory, most traits aren't mutually exclusive and having better attributes in areas outside of looks doesn't make a woman uglier. For some guys, simply being attractive is enough even if they have a terrible personality and are unemployed, but most guys want more. Being attractive with other positive traits in addition makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:58 PM
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So they want specific guys, no one thinks the guy holding a sign on 4th Street with bad teeth and a brown paper bag is the prize, but he's included in "men."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:40 PM
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They seem to desire more kids, but don't actually have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 03:29 PM
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Nothing says death spiral like 5x higher population than the beginning of the previous century.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:52 PM
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This applies to men too, poor men have more children than richer men regardless of the woman's income. How is this congruent with the idea that women only want rich guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:47 PM
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When I think cold approach, I think of a man approaching a woman that he doesn't know or have regular contact with before making a move in any setting. If you're escalating from acquaintance or friend to potential date, that's different and not what I would consider "cold." If men never mustered the courage to do that, it would've dramatically affected the incidence of men and women pairing up. Most guys aren't hitting up random women they don't have at least some familiarity with so I don't see…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 02:42 AM
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Same for the gangsters, I don't know why people glorify them when they have short careers along with short life expectancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:20 AM
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They shouldn't be using them either, everyone should be socializing and talking to each other instead of complaining about man/woman bad while the people who created the apps and hostile environment rake in billions. This sub would be so much smaller if social media was tuned to augment real life like it did in the old days (pre-2010) instead of replacing it with pointless ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:18 AM
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Age filter?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:14 AM
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Apps don't work for the average guy, they should not be the sole source of contact with dating. Yes it's convenient, but the ratios are so bad that it's nearly impossible to find someone unless you're outstanding in some way related to looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:13 AM
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What happened there?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:11 AM
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Examine the surroundings.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:05 AM
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False, most guys don't get dates from cold approaches. They get them from social circles such has coworkers, hobby groups, friends of friends, bars, parties, etc. The idea of asking out dozens of stranger women until you get a "yes" has never been a major factor in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 12:53 AM
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Why would people murder and rob each other when there's steep disincentives for it? Not all behavior is rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 08:45 PM
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Most men have low interest, which means they have a chance, albeit a small one, and they have to go through insane hoops to make it work. Welcome to life, some people get harems simply for existing while others have to put in work to get some interest, it's not fair but the alternative is 0 interest. This is where our point of disagreement lies. We both acknowledge that if you show women pictures of 100 men, the majority of women will only find around 20 of those men attractive. I don't know how…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:27 PM
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Nobody says 0 interest, they say low interest, which is objectively true. Low interest isn't the same as 0 interest, otherwise marriage, children, LTRs, etc stats wouldn't be what it is. A society where only 20% of men had relationships, sex, or children would look very, very different. Hell, some guys even get enough interest to cheat despite supposedly being undateable by 80% of the population according to flawed logic. Most guys aren't looking for interest from dozens of women at once, they n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:03 PM
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An individual woman being attracted to only 20% of dating age men is not controversial, what is controversial is assuming that women as a group only find the same 20% of men attractive, because it falsely assumes the other 80% of men get 0 interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:46 PM
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Having a dog is nothing like having a child, there's very little comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:43 PM
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Masking is a requirement to navigate most of the world that can't be handled through screens and speakers. Not learning it almost guarantees you will be doomed in any area where social skills are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:18 AM
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I agree, if you have the time and luxury to talk about dating you probably don't have the larger issues. At the same time finding love or companionship is still pretty high up once you get the even more important things sorted like health. Most of the time barring a severe condition people find someone while working on other problems like housing and career, so thinking about dates specifically doesn't enter their mind. If I didn't know better I'd think this place was just full of punk kids bc t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:04 PM
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Corporate culture is completely cooked and not tenable in it's current form. When a single person who was never part of the conversation can get offended and petition for you to get fired regardless of actual performance, it's no wonder. Granted low income work had it's problems, but it's more along the lines of bad hours and terrible customers rather than "some busybody with too much time on their hands wants people to act like robots" and "how do I find dates?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 01:00 PM
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My family is not talking about dates, they're talking about health problems and medical bills they're trying to figure out how to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:53 PM
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I wonder if the middle class+ corporate culture of needing to be friendly and sterile is at least partly responsible for the current mess. I almost never see low end workers or blue collar guys here, it's almost entirely people that make more money in a year than my family made in the past decade. It's not just this sub, but most of Reddit outside of the parts specifically catering to low income people like povertyfinance. What if the answer isn't looking up, but looking down?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:42 PM
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Some of those sides look like they have cliffs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:42 PM
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I don't even have 35k and I'm not taking out multiple thousands in debt for a stupid rock. If she needs that much to get married, then she doesn't actually like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 11:08 PM
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Many of those bad actors are other guys telling us we aren't real men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 11:02 PM
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It needs to involve one of us moving at some point, and I don't like the idea because I'm in one of the few places in the country where my looks aren't a big disadvantage. Same goes for any online relationship, if they aren't at least within the same state it probably isn't going to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 11:01 PM
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Not right now I hope, but I have heard stories IRL about men getting angry when the woman offers to pay or split the tab. Some saw it as an attack on their masculinity, others were mad because they thought if they paid for the meal they would get sex, etc. It was surprising to me to learn that men often enforce their own gender norms even when it doesn't benefit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:01 PM
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It's not the cost, it's the mentality of "pay for everything because I only see you as a wallet" I'm checking for. Someone looking for a free meal is going to be lest tempted with a $6 drink than a $60 sit down place. They can do that and I'm sure they'll find men willing to fit the traditional provider role, but it won't fit my lifestyle and I wish them well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:27 PM
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Oh no! Anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:22 PM
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Democratss are talking about it, but there isn't a veto-proof majority in Congress to overturn them as Trump will just veto anything taking away his tariffs. So instead me and my family get to have more money stolen from us while the rich get yet another tax cut they don't need. That Mario guy was onto something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:20 PM
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Some guys see it as masculine to pay for everything and aren't prepared for a woman offer to cover part of a meal or see it as an attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:17 PM
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I'm told everyday by ppd men that they're more desirable than the 6 figure WFH bloke who leaves the house once a month simply because they get ANY attention even if it's low quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:31 PM
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I wonder what the guys at construction sites talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:57 AM
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You just described what marriage is for men. Then you shouldn't be surprised if someone who wants commitment decides to leave when they don't get it. If she wants an engagement ring before we have sex then she needs to prove her virginity. At least it's over with quickly instead of waiting 2+ years only to get "no."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:55 AM
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Why should someone be paid for raising their own children or doing their own laundry? It's not about doing your own chores, it's about doing chores for others. Would you raise a stranger's kids for free or do their laundry?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 09:54 AM
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Then that's different, I'm talking about cases like this where the women is looking for commitment but the man doesn't want it or the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:25 PM
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That heavily depends on the neighborhood, some places are similar to Japan while others are closer to Brazil.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:51 PM
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I wouldn't date a man who thought, "she's going to take my stuff". Sounds like an immature person. That man would have been filtered out after one conversation. True, but I see this happen often with cohabitation. I take it as a win when an unhappy relationship ends. From the perspective of the man it's a win because he never had any intention of marriage but still got what he wanted. Marriage being a contract still doesn't explain what responsibilities you're referring to. Like not being able t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:46 PM
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It is, wife privileges are a subset of girlfriend privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:45 PM
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Protection from man running off and leaving her with nothing. Wouldn’t that imply marriage is mostly risk for men? Yes it is risky for a man if he chooses to marry someone with no means of supporting themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:43 PM
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I don't understand what you're referring to. I don't see what benefits are "only given to guys in marriage." It's about tradition and contracts. For example I'm not going to pick up a random woman to do all these things with. If a guy runs off when he gets bored. That's great. Win win for everyone. He gets away, and I'm not with someone who is bored and unhappy. That gets messy when kids are involved, it's also a waste of your time if they string you along only to refuse marriage later because "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 03:00 PM
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I'm assuming sex but wanted to check. Sex, cohabitation, getting free chores and labor, etc. Basically all the benefits that would traditionally only be given to guys in marriage. I'd prefer sex before an engagement ring. Fair enough, but the point is to stop the guy from using you then running off when they get bored. After all, why would they get married if you're giving them all of the benefits with none of the responsibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 02:49 PM
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What is husband privileges? Husband privileges are what I call the benefits of a committed relationship that aren't usually given to anyone else. Having sex isn't a husband privilege. I consider it one because the vast majority of sex occurs while in a relationship. Unpaid labor and household management are another. Is it a wife privilege to pay for a woman's food? Close, it's a girlfriend privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 02:47 PM
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Once again, do not give husband privileges to someone who is not willing to be the husband, otherwise they will string you along taking all the upsides and you will have no protection if they decide to leave. I bet if an engagement ring was required before sex that sort of behavior would stop quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 01:03 PM
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I figure, it's mostly right place at the right time, decent looks (but not model-tier) and alcohol or drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:41 AM
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The goal of prison isn't to pay people a minimum stipend to keep them off the streets, it's to separate bad people from the rest of society. The tricky part here is while welfare overall costs more than prison expenditures, that's only because there's far more welfare recipients than there are criminals, criminals are significantly more expensive on a per-capita basis. Keeping someone is jail costs $2500-4000/month depending on facility, most welfare payments aren't that large, for example SSI c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:46 AM
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If you are being targeted for a crime you didn't commit then sure, otherwise you should be in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:32 AM
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Easy pop out a baby. The government should be doing more to support families. But almost no one is having kids just for the supposed money, childbirth is extremely painful and usually expensive unless you have great insurance or qualify for Medicaid. Go on unemployment. You need to have a job before you qualify for unemployment and even then it's time limited and based on a percentage of what you made. Collect food stamps and Medicaid. Medicaid only applies to people making less than $12k/yr or …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:29 AM
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Some of us don't have an IRL online footprint because of privacy concerns and don't care for millions of strangers to validate us. I've never had a facebook/instagram account and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:16 AM
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Does money actually matter if your goal is only hookups?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:05 AM
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Good grief, I would never have entertained them, I'm sure they still get interest from plenty of other desperate men who see anything as better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:03 AM
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voting isn't real and laws have never been changed Vote for who exactly? The choices are "party that doesn't care" and "party that plays lip service, but still doesn't care" My point still stands, the best way to avoid getting screwed over by the law is to learn what it means, complaining about it will do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 05:59 AM
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It sucks, but it's better than many of the options I have seen, anyone who says being alone isn't an option hasn't lived around enough criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 04:06 PM
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Accepting the only human willing to be your partner is not settling. Yes it is, there's always the option to be alone and in many cases that's better than ending up with an abusive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 03:59 PM
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So they can track them either way The point is to make it more difficult, if they already knew who you were they wouldn't need to ask for ID. These spaces absolutely should be monitored. It literally led to people rioting because of fantasies. They threw bricks at police officers and tried to burn down buildings because of their echo chamber on the internet. I'll never defend somebody's right to call for somebody else's death. If somebody can't stop themselves from posting such dribble then they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:47 AM
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Ahh you're into fantasies. What is the content the government doesn't want you to see so bad they're implementing these laws? Protests, memes making fun of the government, people making fun of others, etc. The UK made 12,000 arrests for online speech, most of which wasn't related to crimes or actual threats but "someone said something mean on the internet." The government wants these laws because they can spy on everyone and punish people they don't like immediately rather than having to spend e…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:37 AM
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It was a whole mess, she wasn't able to take care of the child and he eventually had to be put in a special home because he was never going to be able to function normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:33 AM
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It's not just a porn ban, it will eventually be expanded to include everything related to interacting with the internet, ie requiring ID to make an account. "Porn ban" is just an easy excuse to convince people to sign away their privacy while they build the infrastructure to track everything. The UK laws are not about porn and they never were, it's about stopping people from seeing content the government doesn't like and cracking down on dissent while the actual criminals go free.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:30 AM
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Governments are angry they can't directly punish us for what we talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:26 AM
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We do, single fathers also get subsidized and are eligible for child support, my aunt had to pay it for a few years until someone adopted her 60 IQ child.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 11:09 AM
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Hey I knew that guy too, they died 10 years ago in a shootout. Most people probably don't want that even if the money is (briefly) good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:54 AM
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Fascinating, I didn't know they were part of the manosphere area. Makes sense given the overlap with ND. I agree as long as general societal rules are followed, someone doesn't choose to be ugly, but they can choose to not be horrible to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:29 AM
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how is that relevant at all? The discussion is that the law is biased. Responding with "OH YEAH WELL THE LAW IS THE LAW!" isn't exactly an argument. Most people here aren't in a position to change the law so they should learn how to minimize downsides and perform due diligence since that is within their control. Talking about how the law sucks isn't going to convince a judge to keep 100% of your property despite the wife being on the deed. If you want to avoid the obligations of marriage, don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:26 AM
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Things you "owned and bought with your partner" that you paid for 80% of. That depends on if you live in a community property state or a common law state, it's a good idea to look up the law before signing a marriage contract. Then you have to KEEP paying for them afterwards because they got too used to the life you provided for them. By keep paying are you talking about alimony? 9/10 of divorces don't qualify for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:01 AM
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The only time the state should pick it up is if the guy has no assets and can prove they're unable to work a job, similar to the requirements for disability. Otherwise we're subsidizing deadbeat dads which will only create more of them. The point of prison isn't to save money, it's to serve as a deterrent for potential criminals who may try the same thing. Locking someone up is expensive, but letting them run around and continue to cause havoc is even more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:53 AM
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This is what our state does, most people don't have income they can easily hide, and if they try to work under the table to avoid reporting it the IRS will catch them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:46 AM
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Then they should be paying or push for more custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:33 AM
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I knew a few women like that when I was in a bad neighborhood, they are not options because I like waking up without holes or stab wounds. Think about the implications it has on your own circle if you regularly entertain these guys, they should not be considered desirable and the fact that they're picking criminals over you is probably a blessing rather than a curse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:30 AM
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I hear some of the terms occasionally when I eavesdrop on a conversation, especially redpill stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:27 AM
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Thinking about how good other guys have it, especially bad ones, will not help you at all. If you see a woman entertaining such prospects, you need to distance yourself from them or you may be his next target. It's also a mistake to think ALL women are going to pick known serial killers or convicts when you're only getting a sample of the local environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:23 AM
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It's funny because flights aren't that expensive anymore if you book in advance and know where to look.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 02:54 AM
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The advice that works for NT people won't work here because it assumes NT issues, not ND. Solving ND issues requires a different toolbox and a lot of sit down time which doesn't seem like many are getting unfortunately. Instead they get advice that was never meant for them and are frustrated when it doesn't work and I don't see anyone who is catered to helping ND people specifically. People will think something is off about you even when you do nothing wrong. This is compounded by the modern env…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 10:07 PM
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So they do have trouble, but it comes later rather than "no dates at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 09:46 PM
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Because such guys are INVISIBLE to women. Period. They're also invisible to me and probably other guys, how are we supposed to find these great guys if they're always hiding? Although I guess we don't know what exactly you mean by "decently dressed, decent personality, and decently in shape". Maybe your standard of decency - is Chris Hemsworth, for all we know. Talking about being dressed in nice clothes, not quite a suit but a couple steps below that, not overweight, and not a chore to be aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:35 PM
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It's funny because what he's saying isn't true, looks aren't strongly correlated with number of partners and taller guys are more likely to be married, not less. But you can't say anything in these echochambers because they ban everyone they disagree with regardless of facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:34 PM
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I'm not sure why you are placing them as equal. Incels are not some smelly crooked monsters that people run away from. They're more like... average. Dull. Boring. Too normal, too polite. I'm not placing them as equal, I'm saying something is up because I have never seen IRL guys with a good job (average or better income for the area), no criminal record, decently dressed, decent personality, and decently in shape get 0 interest in women. I figure something is up there because why don't they have…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:11 PM
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Okay, then how do you explain plenty of guys going to gym, having good jobs but still are not attractive to women? There's something going on there, but it's their own life and they might need to see a matchmaker or something. Most people aren't so hideous that a room makes space when they enter, and clearly they have enough skills to get a good job. WDYM it's up to them to decide, the whole thread is about settling for a partner in your league. We might have a different idea of settling, when I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 11:00 AM
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Interesting, I thought it would vary by legality, still significantly lower than I thought probably because of cost and stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:34 AM
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It's because of money and dubious legal status. If it were legal and easily accessible it would be significantly more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:30 AM
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The number of guys not caring about social norms and hitting on women anyway disproves this, if they were actually afraid of being arrested they wouldn't do it. The internet is based on real life, but it's a skewed perspective. For example they aren't showing the 999 interactions that went normally without drama, they're going to focus on the 1 that didn't then people mistakenly extrapolate to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:28 AM
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Because this is accurate, if a woman is OK looking then many guys will have sex with her for free. Look at this study for example, 0% for women vs 69% for men https://www2.hawaii.edu/%7Eelaineh/79.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:19 AM
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Does this still apply in cases like being a breadwinner? It's the same logic, if you didn't have money she wouldn't have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 08:13 AM
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So if the guy is going to the gym and keeping fit and has a good job, does it make him "above average"? Or does his height and face still matter more? Yes, they are above average with regards to fitness and money, but face/height still have an impact. This is in comparison with other men who would be their competition. What kind of girl would be his fair equivalent? That's up to him to decide, there is no external force assigning girlfriends based on stats. It wouldn't be fair to say someone sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:47 AM
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It's the new religion for some people complete with leaders, scripture, and tithes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:42 AM
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What if you weren't picked earlier only because she hasn't met you before? It's one thing to be picked as 5th in a lineup, it's another to be picked after a few failed relationships in HS or College after moving or social circle changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 07:37 AM
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A good relationship is easy to define as well as a bad relationship, but what does OK mean? Treating each other like roommates?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:46 PM
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I heard of a country that subsidized trips to prostitutes for the disabled, not sure if that's still around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:54 PM
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Worth a try, it might work as long as I stay away from the highway and freeways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:39 PM
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That works as long as there's sidewalks. Most of the roads do have them, but there's a few that don't, and many quite hilly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:37 PM
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"Mopeds are only legal on streets where the speed limit is 35mph or lower." Most streets near me are 40+mph, great. I'm going to have to find another transportation solution that isn't losing 10% of my income to insurance every month.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:28 PM
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The average guy isn't balding and living in a tiny apartment working a dead end job, that's the bottom 25%. The average woman is chubby, but so is the average man and both usually have a job. But to me settling is being with someone unattractive because I can't find anyone better and desperate for a relationship. Why would I pick that instead of waiting for someone better to come along? For as much as being alone sucks, being in a bad relationship is so much worse, I've seen it firsthand. I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:24 PM
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High school sweethearts are just as valid as late bloomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:56 PM
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Sexual compatibility is also one of the most important things in a relationship and should be established as soon as possible. It should, but unfortunately that opens the door to bad actors who appreciate the easy sex then dip. Bad sex will destroy a relationship, but if you find yourself having to put up with someone outside of sex I would leave that relationship too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:19 AM
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An individual woman is not going to be attracted to most guys by virtue of options and geography, 99% of guys will not have that power so they need to find other ways. However in the pool of 600 or so people that a guy interacts with over their lifetime I do think there exists at least 1 women who would be interested in them even if it's missed signals, or had an opportunity but blew it for whatever reason. Someone who is truly undesired and a virgin not by choice I find to be fairly rare and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:13 AM
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Time and commitment, as long as he isn't talking to other women and makes a decent effort during the duration, then it's fine. Care should be taken to maximize the probability relationship working out before ever offering sex. But many guys will hint at a relationship without being faithful themselves so they sleep with multiple women at a time who otherwise would leave if they knew it was casual upfront. People who care about counts shouldn't treat this the same way. This is what withholding se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:58 AM
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How are you so bad even the OF spammers don't want you? I at least get a few of those despite having 0 pictures of myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:38 AM
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I was told how to do my own laundry, dishes, cooking, etc. so I didn't have to rely on someone else to do it for me, is there something wrong with that? If all a woman offers is the ability to do work I can do myself and nothing else, why is she there? Honestly cleaning and cooking is something EVERYONE should know how to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:33 AM
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That thing happened to me, and it blows my mind how can a woman would care for me but wont touch me with a 10 ft pole. Platonic friends and sexual interest are very different and should be handled differently. Having friends is part of a healthy social circle and generally you shouldn't be trying to sleep with them. Women are complaining about men becoming immature and lazy, but that is their own doing. They do not appreciate honor, morals or bravery or hard work in a man anymore. They do care, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 01:43 AM
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I'd replace old with wealthy. Older people tend to have more income and assets, but a young person with money beats an old one. Who is giving up Zuckerberg for the 60yo who works as a Walmart greeter?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:54 AM
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Was she unattractive? Something else is going on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:50 AM
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Unfortunately it also provided the undesirable men with a guarantee of a wife if he worked for society. This was never true even in the past. Over half of people died before the age of 18, many from war, dangerous jobs, and diseases. They aren't getting a wife if they're in an early grave. Also society couldn't do anything if 50% ofmyoungmmen are single and not dating. What are these young men supposedly going to do? For all the complaining they do, if they struggle to even talk to women when ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:38 AM
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Lilly Allen can afford to fly to any state that allows it at the drop of a hat, the average teen parent without transportation can't. This law doesn't apply to the rich, it only applies to the poor who can't afford emergency travel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:32 PM
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A lot of those anti-abortion advocates are women too, at least until their own life is threatened and they run out of state to escape the crappy law they wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:26 PM
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It's not just a money thing, otherwise poor countries wouldn't have as many children as they do. It's a lack of benefits coming from children (no more child labor), the culture, people being more careful about how many they have, and increased expectations from society. Children are a big opportunity cost, especially in the early life. I do not want to make the same mistakes my parents and grandparents did and I want to give them a better life than I ever had, otherwise what's the point? I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:21 PM
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I see a concerning number of people who want to boost birth rates at any costs, even if it means forcing literal children to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:15 PM
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They do, but many of them weren't considering the risks and not using protection, hence lots of teen parents in the 1980s and 90s. Becoming a teen parent is one of the worst things you can do to kill your potential future.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 11:12 PM
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I would be disowned if I said half the things these guys were doing...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:49 PM
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Money is less and less relevant as women also earn money. Dating today is pure attractive based It's less relevant but still important, try being homeless/unemployed while dating women. Men that lose their jobs and fail to find another one face an increased risk of divorce. Looks are a requirement, but not the only one. Chores, bills, and the other daily grinds of life don't care about looks, why deal with a guy that doesn't contribute anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:34 AM
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But regular jobholders do get women? Sure some professions have more trouble than others, and there's no longer a near guaranteed marriage for simply having a job, but overall the relationship between income and relationship/marital status still holds true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:23 AM
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Cancers and heart disease tend to kill long after reproductive age so natural selection can't occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:22 AM
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I'm not a fan of how many unwritten social rules there are, it took me years to learn as no one ever explained them to me and I imagine many people are faring even worse than I did with limited IRL interactions. It shouldn't take years to figure out if someone is interested in you or not, and if you are interested in someone be upfront and direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 10:14 AM
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Someone needs to add value to your life if you're going to initiate a relationship, for men this is often only sex and household chores with someone that meets their look standards, for women it's significantly more. This quote from a ppb sub has stuck with me: If you cannot improve someone else's life you probably wont be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:54 AM
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So only criminals and high status figures are winning? Somehow the average guy always loses in this story even though statistics show otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:51 AM
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Survey says that 6% of all relationships have women as the sole earner. But being the sole earner doesn't mean the guy is sitting there and contributing nothing to the household, they could be a stay at home dad, handling chores, managing the household, etc. Someone who truly contributes nothing will eventually get dumped if they don't have good long term traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:45 AM
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And then you only realize months/years later when you're sitting there alone and they're no longer an option. If women wanted to make it easy to distinguish romantic intentions versus day to day niceness, they should be really blunt like asking for a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:50 AM
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That's not something normal guys say.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:44 AM
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Women with options generally don't do sex work, I think something like 95% of the people are doing it for money and not because they actually like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:31 AM
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Like I told the other individual, passport bros is one thing, but the comment said women don't care about men in general. Most people can probably agree that's not good actually. It's true, but what am I going to do about it? I know the women in my life care about me, but I can't do anything about online manhaters or other people that blame me because of a bad experience they had with another person. Better to spend my limited time on people that care about me over angry internet strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:25 AM
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This isn't evenly distributed, divorces and single parenthood are clustered among the lower social/economic class.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:58 PM
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It's pragmatic. I cannot afford to care about everyone, my time is limited, I don't have power to change most of the evil in this world and there's only so much time in the day. So I prioritize things based on how relevant they are and the distance from myself. Family and friends take priority over strangers, locals take priority over foreigners, etc. Random strangers on the Internet being angry about not getting easy access to hot women and hopping on a plane annoy me, but I'm not going to expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:55 PM
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How terrible of an idea would it be to have a Great Stork Derby except instead of the winner taking all, it's divided among the contestants proportional to the number of children they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:44 PM
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These average white guys get 0 matches in the US but get hundreds in certain Asian countries, and can participate in hookups and dates without spending money. That's misleading, while it's true that their mere presence alone might be enough to get hookups without expensive dates: the plane ticket isn't free Going to restaurants isn't free The hotel isn't free. Taking time off work isn't free assuming they can't work remotely. But what about gold diggers Seems to me like they don't have a problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:20 PM
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That is personal information I'm keeping to myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:04 PM
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I have been diagnosed with at least one of those, but I put great effort into mitigating them the best I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:02 PM
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Having a job, being financially stable with good credit and not being overweight easily puts you in the top 20% here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:52 PM
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Thankfully the area where I live isn't that dangerous, but there have been a couple murders reported nearby in the past few years I lived here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:43 PM
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I'd do the same thing, it's better to hire people that you're familiar with over complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:37 PM
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These are also the same areas where women are more likely to complain about broke guys, but it's still better than the alternatives as someone in prison isn't exactly going to pay the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:36 PM
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I'm not in the UK, but that stat tracks here, at least until the birth of the 1st child.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:31 PM
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You know what I find funny about where I live? The women in my age group make more money than the men because most of them are either in jailed or died from criminal activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:56 PM
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I'd be worried about some loser using these to doxx people in the future to potential employers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:35 PM
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That's life, everyone wants to have fun while they still can, but eventually age and life catches up and it's time to move on. That being said, I don't get the obsession with wanting people to suffer for decisions they made years ago when they've clearly changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:33 PM
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There's also a correlation between tattoos and criminal behavior, but it's not nice to blame individual people for the actions of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:26 PM
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Gay guys have like 10x the partners of heterosexual dudes, it's not the same at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:24 PM
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How though? If women aren't willing (or forced) to have sex with them nothing changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:18 PM
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There are plenty of women in your home country who will use men for their money. There is no difference. There's a big difference, compare what the average woman makes here to what the average woman makes in other countries assuming laws even allow them to have a paying job. At home I am reasonably assured the woman making $60k/yr+ is not after me for my money because I don't make enough while someone who makes $120k/yr+ would be worried. When you PPB it's always going to be the case that you ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:12 PM
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It works the other way here, people are by default single until they bring up commitment, it's always assumed the other person is talking to 3-4 other people in addition to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:05 PM
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That's describing interactions with hot guys, it doesn't show that being attractive leads to increases in number of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:47 PM
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So the idea of ultra hot guys having 100s of partners isn't true? That makes sense considering that the common factor in nearly all casual sex is alcohol and drug usage. Sober hot guy < drunk average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:43 PM
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Retiree turned PPB.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:43 PM
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There's a decent number of adults too, but to me online dating should be an 18+ activity and Roblox should separate lobbies, they have a big enough child abuse issue as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:44 PM
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Roblox is supposedly getting into the dating market, wonder how much of a disaster this will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 08:34 PM
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. Because they might be using you for an ego boost or just to gain the pleasure from rejecting you. Those can apply to someone below my league as well, people don't stop being bad just because they're less pretty. I expect rejection, but if it works out then even better. If someone thinks that I will be their wallet or give girlfriend privileges to someone who isn't a girlfriend they've got another thing coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:22 AM
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It's an idea, but it won't be applicable to everyone. Some might not be able to afford it, some don't like the environment and even if they do go, there isn't a guarantee they will go home with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:54 AM
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When I think living wage, I think enough to own a 2 bedroom apartment + COL without having to rely on welfare or other sources of income. Here that's roughly $45k/yr or $22.5/hr full time. Expecting 3+ incomes to afford one apartment is not sustainable and effectively prevents couples from forming. Places like McDonalds can afford to pay low wages because there's always people with few to no options or those that live with parents so they don't need to worry about rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:35 AM
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That's part of it yes, it's become harder to connect with people IRL, and if you try connecting online you're competing with potentially millions of other guys, many of which are hotter and richer than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:29 AM
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Should I care what "league" I belong to? If someone is available and attractive why should I pre-emptively reject them out of fear? Obviously I'm not hitting on women over a decade younger than me (not that it's legal to), but barring situations like that why not go for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:25 AM
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There was still plenty of cheating in the old days (pre-1970s), but it wasn't as easily documented and accurate paternity tests didn't exist. Some men had secret families and many places didn't share records.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:22 AM
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Less drugs including alcohol and less people going out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:14 AM
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Yes, but it annoys me when other people complain about how terrible the US is then suggest places that my parents came from which were even worse. I know I would have an easier time in theory, but I'm not interested in that kind of relationship and I prefer navigating a culture I'm familiar with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:42 AM
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There are general guidelines to avoid the worst cases, but there's no formula for getting what you want, just a combination of luck and opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:39 AM
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She knows these guys only see her as a potential hookup, I'm just saying women don't need to spend $1000s on plane tickets to have sex with hot men unless they're extremely unattractive. And yes, if she easily gets interest wherever she goes, she is attractive, most men don't care about the opinions of other men when deciding to sleep with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:29 AM
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Does your mother get hit on by buff 20 somethings? No one here is buff, the obesity rate is like 50%, there were 30-somethings hitting on her. She would, if she was a passport sis. A) She's very traditional and expects the man to pay for everything and B) She doesn't have any problem finding young hot guys if she looks for them, why would she spend $1000s on a trip to get a worse result?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 12:16 AM
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My mother is almost 50 and still get hit on by plenty of guys, there's no shortage even then. Women do get rejected for sex, but there is almost a guarantee that there will be at least some local men interested in them if they ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:45 PM
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I'm not here to change minds, I'm here to get different perspectives that I can perhaps apply to my own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:44 PM
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You think the US is terrible? You must have not lived in the average or poorer areas of these other countries. The Philippines for example has a median income of $12k/yr, Americans make 5x that. If you were living as an average guy in these places with the appropriate income and status, you would not be calling it a paradise. Even the poor in the US have access to nice things. There's "I can barely afford rent"-poor and there's "I don't have easy access to electricity, running water or modern in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:40 PM
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Personally knowing it's AI generated and a real person never being involved is enough to kill the vibe same as knowing a $100 bill is counterfeit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:18 PM
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Looks alone is useless for men unless they're professional models.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:14 PM
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After reading the responses, it seems like bad fathers may be a link to social troubles and relationships? Makes sense if you have no one good to look up to, perfect fodder for grifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 09:06 AM
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From what I've heard, it's an attractive guy who can easily get women based on looks ALONE without having status, money, a social circle, or anything else typically used to aid in seeking someone. I personally have never seen anyone who fit this stereotype, but there are plenty of high status individuals like celebs or leaders that don't have a problem finding women even when they're known abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:55 AM
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People have been drinking less which is directly leading to less encounters and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:36 PM
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Never knew him, they're probably in prison or dead at this point, but from what I've gathered he was a terrible person and I only existed to get out of a worse situation at the time. My grandfather was also quite terrible and part of the reason why my mother's early upbringing was so bad (he lied to the rest of my family about her whereabouts.) I can't change the past, but I can strive to not be like either of those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 12:29 PM
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My mother was being hit on at the age of 12 by grown men, they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 06:05 AM
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Incinerate everyone who helped write the law, the "porn" excuse was just a way of getting support from the public and then they immediately used it to crack down on protests, educational content, and other "offensive" media. No one is made safer from this law, in fact I would argue the opposite because it drastically increases surveillance. If they actually cared about children, they would be handing out decades long sentences to rapists instead of saying that "they didn't know any better" and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:44 AM
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I have some secrets, but nothing specific to women. It was a lot easier to get away with stuff before widespread cameras and social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:28 AM
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That seems like a contradiction if status and money are considered more desirable? Seems like it wasn't the weed money bringing in people, it was being made to socialize with others instead of sitting behind a desk for 8 hours. Drugs also make an impact as you mentioned, sex rate shoots up when they're used, but many come with downsides like addiction or landing you in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:20 AM
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I prefer to remain in one piece thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:18 AM
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That .3% is probably more like 6-12% when looking at a subreddit like this, it's not a sample of the average population, it's a sample that on average has trouble with dating and socialization.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:12 AM
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So what exactly is the idea? A looks based version of carfax and automatic rejection if their exes were taller or made more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 05:04 AM
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With dating apps, there's an opportunity cost because the number of swipes are limited so going for a low probability match decreases your chances of finding someone overall. This does not apply to IRL scenarios, hitting on the hot women and losing doesn't cost anything as you can always move on to someone in "your league".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 09:00 PM
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Most of those aren't bots, they're people who didn't bother creating a username so Reddit autogenerated one for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 02:02 AM
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How much of social isolation do you think is caused by smaller families? It used to be the most common way to meet new people, but if there's only 1 per family child there isn't much opportunity for socializing or building networks vs having 3-4 kids which become uncles or aunts later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:52 AM
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It's hard to get someone to report when they're conditioned by society especially other men to see any sex as a good thing and the idea that women can't be rapists. This doesn't happen if the victims are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 01:05 AM
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Or do what people in my group do which is get to know someone before initiating romance, they don't ask out strangers and always reject anyone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:41 AM
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Sounds about right, most guys I know would live in near squalor if they weren't worried about a future wife and kids. Our economy works on people overconsuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 02:12 AM
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If it worked, they wouldn't have repeat customers. They don't care about struggling guys, they just care about their money. Same line of logic as "work hard and you'll own a house". Why should I pay some worthless grifter $100+ to hear that? The money would be better spent on matchmakers or escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:23 AM
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Prostitution covered in corporate-speak, lovely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:19 AM
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It's easier to identify problems when there isn't a conflict of interest or emotions involved. It will still never be as good as knowing personal information only gathered through years of experience. Some guys don't care about being used for resources if it's the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:16 AM
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How do spaces like this solve the positive reinforcement typical to people that need help? Person gets help and is successful -> person usually leaves. Person gets help but forever reason isn't successful -> usually stays, sometimes turns bitter and drives off more levelheaded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:13 AM
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Get out before you get caught in crossfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 01:07 AM
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Compare tax returns, social status, and no sex without strict commitment? That would be my idea. It kills hookup culture, but it was never good to begin with. Going for an uglier guy won't save you from being pump and dumped, many average guys will do it too if given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:51 AM
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So you support hookup culture as long as it personally benefits you, even at the expense of other men? Seems similar to people who don't want to fix the system, they just want to be at the ones at the top collecting all the rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:48 AM
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Specifically it benefits the men at the top who can easily sleep around and pocketing the profits from dating apps, it's not benefiting the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 11:46 AM
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Nope, the only exception would be if she was drugged and taken to an alley somewhere, but making a poor choice isn't one of them. I'm not interested in cheating and I expect her to be loyal as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:38 AM
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"The collapse is any day now" I've been hearing this for over 20 years and people thoughout history repeat it for every new generation, when is it actually going to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:37 AM
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China's incel problem is among the worst because of the population size and one child policy. There's something like a 50 million woman deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 03:32 AM
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Stupidpol/PPD crossover https://lastreviotheory.medium.com/from-commodity-fetishism-to-the-desire-form-how-dating-apps-commodify-fc0d5da15512
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:25 PM
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No, there's always going to be more attractive people who get an unequal proportion of likes while others have relative lack of success. This has always happened long before online dating, the only difference is the size of the pool. You could mitigate it somewhat by having rules, but not eliminate it entirely. There's some good point about prioritizing non-physical traits and removing the paying for visibility, but I would go a bit farther. For example: Only being able to have and talk to a lim…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:45 AM
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Oh, it's not a mistake to go where you're wanted, the mistake comes with hopping borders and advising everyone to do the same instead of fixing the local culture. Fixing local culture would also help people who can't PPB because they don't have the money and have local family/friends that they can't cut ties with. Lastly, PPB isn't a silver bullet to easy women like many people portray it as because, it comes with it's own set of problems that many people are not equipped to handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:30 AM
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Does an immigrant who finds a local wife count? Most people aren't traveling here for love, they're doing it for better wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:08 AM
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Going to paraphrase what I wrote above, but it seems like guys are ok with being used for their money if the woman is hot enough, but for some reason pretend to want egalitarianism when it comes to local women. That being said, PPB is a limited individualistic solution to the bigger problem and scales rather poorly, soon it would be Americans competing with other Americans importing the culture they claim to hate while pricing out the locals. Old guy with money loses to young guy with money lose…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 12:05 AM
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*In short supply in certain areas, the country is huge and they aren't evenly distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:54 PM
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Lots of the same guys complain about being used for their money by "Western women" but when you're a PPB there's a nearly 0 chance that the other person will be in a similar tax bracket and they'll always expect you to provide for them as part of their culture. To me it seems like these guys are ok with being used for money, just not if they don't think they're getting what they deserve out of it even if they have to travel to another country (and increase problems for the locals).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:53 PM
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I could vet in terms of the basics like no criminal record, basic hygiene, good finances and not terrible to be around. A good way to somewhat vet for personality is seeing how they treat people they don't see as romantic options. I can't determine if someone is a good option, but I can know for sure if they're a bad one. It's easier to vet someone when you feel no emotional connection to them and there's nothing at stake. But this doesn't factor in deeper social traits like personality because …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 11:26 AM
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Whether it's their fault or not, for every one that chooses to remain single because of bad experience or lack of good options, there's an involuntarily single guy on the other side of that. Maybe dating apps should focus on retaining more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 03:25 AM
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At that point I'm the idiot for thinking people naturally have perfect skin with no effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:15 AM
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Single fathers also receive benefits, I don't see the problem but there's significantly more single mothers than fathers. Also yeah, most of the time the state is not giving money to a woman (or man) for just existing unless they can prove they have a significant disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 12:09 AM
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I didn't go out with friends at all as a kid either, I had very few friends thanks to moving frequently all the time, mainly because we live in a car-centric area,and my mother wasn't going to spend time and gas money driving me around. It didn't help that I have socialization issues of my own as well, trying to get familiar with a group as a (relatively) poor outcast was not going to happen. My idea of fun for hours was wandering the countryside or biking around but this was when I had limited …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:50 PM
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Does this apply to unattractive men as well or do they get a pass because "desperation and horny?"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:43 PM
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*If your parents weren't poor, I was lucky if I got $5 to spend for the entire trip, unfortunately I didn't grow up with many things that were common for other kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:37 PM
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I keep most my online life at arms length from my IRL self for privacy reasons, but if someone asked me about my relationship status I would tell them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 11:35 PM
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That's pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:06 PM
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Idk why it happens, I think it's the only community where women commonly date down because of the lack of decent men not in prison or turning tricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 05:04 PM
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I can't tell if it's selection bias or not, but a disproportionate amount of them have been outed recently for very bad things. Is it really that hard to not hit people or stay away from minors?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:21 PM
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Does anyone else listen to music from the 19th century? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdikNvj_low
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 02:51 PM
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No as in you've never seen it happen or no as in it never happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:38 PM
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Then it's time to stand up more, women had to go through this same issue during the 1900s. If enough men cared it could be stopped, but often time the suppression comes from other men which is unhelpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:57 AM
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Women also get used for their (monetary) resources on occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:48 AM
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Oh look, it’s my old friend the wage gap. The thing that is constantly debunked but still constantly brought out of retirement because it’s so good at pissing off people. Wage gaps do exist, but not in the way people think, look at gender distribution and incomes across different occupations. Men make more because men generally work higher income occupations. But within the same occupation and the same position, they're pretty much equal. A man's pay for retail work is going to be just as terrib…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:46 AM
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That should be a clear cut case of discrimination and men should raise the issue, if there isn't a valid reason to deny it then it should be approved. I wonder if there's any stats on rejection rates adjusted for income? We've had problems with welfare getting denied in the past and having to apply multiple times to get it, the government is very slow when they give you money, but quick to take it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:43 AM
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I wonder how often people stumbling across that content derails what would've been a lackluster but otherwise normal life. If they don't have someone like family or friends to set them on the right track it spirals fast and makes their chances even worse. But I refuse to believe 80% of guys are too unattractive to look at let alone date given what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:35 AM
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Also, I thought women were now making more than men, are you seeing that this little fact that is constantly forced down our throat is not so true? It depends on what group you're looking at, young women pre-motherhood do make more, but after childbirth and older age this reverses, either way my point still stands. Taxes are not gender specific, a man making 30k and a woman making $30k will be paying the exact same amount minus dependents. The only reason why women on average receive more benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:30 AM
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Then my next question would be why are the men refusing to apply for them? I know many didn't out of pride, but they're still there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:25 AM
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Poor men are eligible for the same benefits (outside of biology specific ones), it's an income thing, not a man/woman issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:17 AM
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in big cities yeah but thats where all the non-jobs are. women college grads usually become HR or some office nonsense. Those non-jobs still pay far more than most entry level work such as retail, I'll take a fake job if it means I get an easier life, the bank and grocery store doesn't care how I make my money as long as it's legal. there's never going to be a woman capping an oil derrick. these guys, high value workers OUTSIDE the cities, blow the HR girlies out of the water money wise. you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 10:03 AM
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Not blue, but yes, as long as they don't try to invalidate my own experiences if they contradict.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:52 AM
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Half of abortions are performed in relationships, the idea that only "sluts" need it is a lie pushed by prolife talking heads. Sperm doesn't care about relationship status during conception.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 09:51 AM
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This just in, buying a house is easier than dating. This is sarcasm, but some people really do believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:36 AM
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Correct, I don't want to be put in a position where I do most of the work and get no reciprocation. It's one thing when it's favors every once in a while, but it's different when it becomes a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 05:35 AM
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The company makes a lot of money for screwing men out of relationships, no wonder they have 0 motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:39 AM
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So preemptive weaponized incompetence is a thing now? It's always been a thing, I even use it myself sometimes when I don't want to do a specific task or when I know I'll be treated worse than another person. You can be capable of a thing and still not need to be the person doing it 100% of the time. Many people take the "you can do A" as an invitation to "you should always do A and I will expect it now." The point is to prevent the other person from offloading all of their work onto you and sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:38 AM
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It's always cool to see guys with 100x my net worth say they're struggling, I wonder what's going on up there?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:25 AM
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That's done to prevent the husband from dumping all of the chores on her. They said to me if she's capable of doing all the chores AND earning her own money on top of that, then what is the man for?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 12:08 AM
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Sounds like a very expensive way to get lots of rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 12:06 AM
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Close relationship with siblings is a dealbreaker? Are you accusing them of incest?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 12:01 AM
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It's because of the money which older people tend to have more of, a young person with the same money would do just as well if not even better. Not sure how this is a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:27 AM
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Are you sure there isn't a goomba fallacy going on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:47 PM
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I wonder how people vet and age verify given the number of bad actors, at least if you see them IRL you know they're a real person and not a catfish on the other side of the world trying to run a romance scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 12:10 PM
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Huh, only DMs I ever get are insults or someone trying to sell me subscriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:53 AM
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The internet is responsible for how over 50% of couples first meet, but outside of dating apps how does it happen? The major social media platforms such as Meta, Reddit, Discord, Twitter, forums, etc don't seem setup for it. As an addendum, I wonder how moderately famous online personalities people meet up with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:40 AM
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Maybe because the weekdays are filled with work and childcare?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:40 AM
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Sometimes I post studies, but 1) that takes effort and time and Google has been degrading in search quality and 2) I get told those studies don't matter anyways because 80% of guys are unattractive and only being used for money even when literal millions of counter examples exist IRL. At that point it feels less like a hobby during downtime and more like an unpaid job doing research, I have better things I can be doing like my day job or watching Blue Prince videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:55 PM
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If this piece of crap is able to get custody, how come decent guys aren't or at least that's what I've been told?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:15 PM
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Trying that here would likely get you shot or stabbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 09:06 PM
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PPB for planets when. Imagine having to compete with people from other solar systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:35 AM
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I find the comments drawing parallels to feminism and women's rights interesting as not all women supported it. There were quite a few women who were against feminism and suffrage because they didn't want the responsibilities or felt that women shouldn't be doing these things. The same thing is going on here to a bigger extent, the main enemy against removing men's gender roles isn't women, it's other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:30 AM
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It's cool how many of the biggest supporters of male gender roles are other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:26 AM
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Maybe that's his type, most high level celebrities have their pick of women but don't always go for what an average guy would consider attractive. Some even prefer escorts over relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 01:54 AM
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That's not a top 10% guy, that's more like a top .1% guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:49 AM
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I'm a curious person and I'm interested in what people are saying across a variety of topics. I like to go into places and see what people are actually saying rather than reading what media says. It's better when opposing viewpoints are allowed to talk rather than being banned on sight. I understand that this isn't a sample of average people so I keep it in mind and remember it doesn't reflect the world at large. There are many bad takes, but also many good ones. It's also interesting to read ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:39 PM
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I don't like any of the modern guys around it, but the base ideas are solid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:36 PM
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My comment isn't directed at people like you who use it to build credit, it's for the people with $100 in the bank account getting Doordash or expensive trinkets because it doesn't register as spending money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:09 PM
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Sounds like more risk and effort than it's worth, It's hard enough setting up overlapping dates never mind trying to juggle multiple relationships without the others finding out in the days of social media and digital recordkeeping. Why try to leech off a couple guys making 30-40k when 100k guys exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:08 PM
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Of course not, have more respect for yourself and don't waste the woman's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:35 PM
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I'm down to chat, I don't post anything here that I wouldn't mind discussing in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:28 PM
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As far as I can tell it's credit cards with more restrictions but no interest. But I'm of the opinion that no one should be buying luxury goods on credit since they probably can't afford them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:26 PM
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A single idiot deciding to increase my COL for no reason except nostalgia for the 19th century.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:25 PM
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Idk why, but trolley problems are funny to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4O3AG1KMt0
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:24 PM
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That's unfortunate but true, if someone's friends are terrible it's likely that they won't be much better themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 07:00 AM
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You sound like my ex-stepfather.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:58 AM
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Making $100k is still in the top 5-10% when you're young. It also depends on the group you're in, someone making $100k in the middle of nowhere in a small town is at higher risk of being used vs someone in Los Angeles. No woman is looking at average or below average income guys to use their money unless they're desperate or lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 06:55 AM
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Public people are easy to find, most of you would not find the average person who has 10 followers and no public posts. It's easier to focus on the 1% of women who do sex work over the 99% who don't. You aren't going to find random good people who aren't popular unless they're in your social circle or adjacent to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:28 PM
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Most guys who have watched porn which itself is over 90% of all men have seen or heard of her at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:26 PM
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Being good might not make you attractive, but it does mean getting kicked out of social circles less which means more chances to find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:26 PM
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Had no idea, I haven't seen that show since early 2010. But yeah, maybe people need to drink more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:46 PM
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From what I've observed, they'll physically be seeing one person at a time, but talking to multiple until she decides to commit to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:38 PM
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If casual sex is the ultimate sign of desire, and alcohol increases the chance of casual sex, does that mean alcohol makes people more attractive? Maybe that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:36 PM
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That's a goalpost move, "not having as much sex as one would want" is not equivalent to being an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:17 AM
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It's not as inaccurate as you would think if the sample is taken fairly, that's a 3.5% margin of error.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:30 AM
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Money is but a tool to do what I really want, the sooner that happens the better, I don't really care as long as it isn't illegal or deeply immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 12:49 AM
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He has a point, I can't stay here too long or the same thing happens to me despite having 0 bearing on IRL life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:43 PM
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Being a vegan is already strike 1 and 2, there better be something outstanding about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:31 PM
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I'd do it anyway, I've blown up family ties for less and have no shortage of anger for those types because of early life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:29 PM
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How about NO. I'll use it as a way of seeing if they're a worthwhile person to be around, if I have to constantly suppress my own feelings to save theirs, then why should I consider them as a friend or potential wife? I would go as far to say that's a form of abuse that no one should be putting up with because woman. But it's harder to get relationships as a man so they should put up with-- No, just no. Tolerating and reinforcing this behavior is how this mess is here to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:26 PM
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Men should never truly open up women they are in a relationship with. Not just romantic but platonic or familial aswell. I don't really care anymore, I'll open up and if they can't handle it they can scatter. If they want to vent to me, but won't allow me to vent back, they are not friend or wife material. I refuse to allow OTHER people to tell me what emotions I'm allowed to have
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 02:24 PM
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I got this from another comment Well proton is basically the best especially if you want to pirate. It’s one of three endorsed by r/piracy and they know their stuff. The others are Mullvad and Windscribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:55 PM
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Having to do more to get them than other guys did, if applicable. How do you know what these other guys did and if it's still relevant (people's standards change over time). If you don't see evidence of this happening for a specific person, why are you assuming every girl you meet has a super attractive ex that had to merely exist to get sex? Guys want raw attraction, conditional attraction is worthless. Nearly all attraction is conditional, almost no one is going to be with someone that doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:32 PM
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If you don't enjoy socializing then don't socialize, but the rest of the world isn't going to care and other people are going to get relationships instead. In fact not socializing hurts more than just dating, it hurts careers too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:29 PM
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You know based on whether you had to put in work for her to choose you. So just sit there and hope to be picked is the strategy now?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:28 PM
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Guys don't see the point if there's no reasonable odds something will increase their chances of a positive outcome enough that it's worth the effort. If someone does the steps and doesn't get a girlfriend at the end of it then it's seen as a waste of time regardless of probability, it's impossible to know beforehand anyway. I understand that reframing what guys are actually saying into some turbo black and white perspective makes it easier to dismiss them but you should have more integrity than …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:22 PM
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If they choose to be with you, then how do you know they aren't attracted to you? The existence of someone hotter or richer?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 11:04 PM
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Well you aren't "chad" so you're going to have to put in the work or be alone like the other 95% of guys. Most guys throughout history haven't been models but they got along just fine. Even the attractive ones have to put in some effort at socializing as women aren't going to drive over and date them. No one is going to be your girlfriend out of pity when they could just pick someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:57 PM
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A lot of guys don't see the point if there isn't a guaranteed girlfriend at the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 10:56 PM
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Being forced to provide to 6 kids and taking dangerous jobs sounds awful, how is this a win for me as a man over the current situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 05:03 PM
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Was a passport involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:57 PM
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Dating isn't prostitution, you aren't paying for services rendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:29 PM
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To make friends and doing activities IRL isn't the same as sitting behind a screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 04:13 PM
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If they're lazy it still doesn't change my statement, there's only so much room at the top and everyone improving would just make a new 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:19 PM
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I would argue it's because the alternatives to socializing have gotten so much better while the risks of doing so have skyrocketed. Family sizes are also significantly smaller or sometimes nonexistent which doesn't help. It's gotten to the point where there's articles complaining that people aren't throwing enough parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:17 PM
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$0 because I don't have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 02:05 PM
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If they're adjacent to spaces I'm in then I can call them out, but I can't do anything about strangers or distant acquaintances beyond the standard advice of "breakup and/or call the police."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:29 AM
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Despite what popular media says men can experience emotions too, they're human after all. Men are on average more resistant to emotional manipulation, but not immune as many get stuck in abusive relationships and sunk cost fallacy. But men displaying emotions outside of rage is heavily discouraged by all of society as a gender role. There's also stories of men opening up about their problems and being ridiculed for it. While most people are decent, a few bad people can have an outsized influence…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 01:09 AM
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19 seems like it would be rather bony.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:53 AM
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Long term or short term capital gains? The max would be $5000 assuming long term capital gains and no other income sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:52 AM
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The internet is only trying to make you miserable, ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:50 AM
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I beg to differ, too many people complain about "chad" being the reason they aren't finding dates because they're supposedly "hoarding" all of the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 12:47 AM
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I was thinking about twice a month, but yeah it gets expensive fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 07:35 PM
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That's going to be expensive and out of the reach of most people so it's still not a solution unless they happen to be making 250k/yr+ but those people aren't struggling to find dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 07:25 PM
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If the top 1% was easy to reach it wouldn't be the top 1% it would be the top 50%.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:12 PM
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Tribalism and emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 06:11 PM
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The description of him here sure sounds like one. Pointing at him for why a specific individual fumbled an attempted date doesn't help the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 03:01 PM
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It's for intimidation and the threat of possible violence, but not actually using it. I've seen this before, guys are less likely to try something if they see another guy nearby. In modern times tools equalize the threat, but brains are still stuck accounting for an environment that hasn't existed for at least 70 years outside of bad neighborhoods.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:45 PM
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Nah, I don't take kindly to homewreckers. He may be happier, but wrecking the family to do so is selfish and wrong and I would also exile them from family events.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:36 PM
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Men asking women to give grace to such men is asking to much, now if she goes for confident laidback chad she’ll be called shallow, yet she wanted to go on a date with an autistic average dude but he fumbled. This is why I say that average and below average guys get given chances all the time, but if a lack of social skills is causing them to fail social situations it's not the woman's fault. Of course grifters will use this situation to steal money from men and tell them that all women are terr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 02:31 PM
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You're not getting the average person, you're getting the average person using the app along with the guys being posted on there, a subtle but distinct difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:58 PM
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It also depends on what kind of environment you're in, someone in rural Appalachia is going to have a different experience from someone in NYC, citing experiences without detail doesn't make sense because the US is not a monolith. Someone could struggle in one environment but do well in another and vice versa. That being said I don't see this problem in my neighborhood and I'm in a lower middle class area where I doubt anyone makes over 35k/year and the rent is in the low 1000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:55 PM
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I've made that choice several times in the past, it be like that but I've seen the damage that LLMs are doing to society as a whole as well as the social stigma that comes with it. But as long as I got 1 woman to say yes, that's enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:08 PM
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But all it takes to counter that is 1+ women deciding to choose them out of millions then other women rejecting them is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:06 PM
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Those aren't mutually exclusive though, it's possible for most guys to have a relationship while still acknowledging that it's difficult for some of them. Finding the right person is hard and a decent amount of relationships fail all the time, they aren't lying and a good faith effort should be made to hear them out provided there aren't glaring flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:05 PM
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Better than treating LLMs as wives, but it's still a (expensive) substitute for a real relationship and the explicit transactional nature and lack of monogamy will turn people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:48 PM
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Being unattractive isn't their fault, but choosing bots over real people is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:33 PM
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Only this sub thinks it's limited to male models that are capable of sleeping around. Nothing says top 20% like working part time making $20k a year and being 5'8. That being said, there's no way to verify these claims so anyone can make up lies and it's very difficult to defend against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:49 PM
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The average person has a driver's license, but that doesn't mean obtaining one is easy or even possible for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:25 PM
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The same thing goes for them I'm not the one arranging dates with people old enough to be my grandmother if they were still alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:50 PM
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Don't ask me, ask the guys who spam swipe right on everything because they're unhappy being alone until the right person comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:34 PM
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Guys choosing to go after women in substantially worse shape is on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:31 PM
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It's not, but clearly they aren't unattractive if they still get significant interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 03:28 PM
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They're unattractive yet have men lining up around the block for them, makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 08:55 AM
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When I say kids I'm talking about starting a family of your own, not being a step parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:25 AM
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Now can we say incels don’t really exist if the incels have the option to go for women who are after money and resources? Since femcels have the option to go for men who only want sex. Nah, the women with onlyfans don't want a relationship, they just want the money that lonely (and not so lonely) guys have, they are no more an option than the random creeps sending dick pics or threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 06:23 AM
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Relationships don't have a time limit, but anything involving kids does, especially for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 02:52 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/SmugAlana/comments/1m9t8dc/a_classic/ How many of you are willing to date the kind of people that show up in unsolicited DMs?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 01:58 AM
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Sure, but that's individuals, not a group. Assuming someone's looks based on an instance of unrelated behavior makes no sense because anyone is capable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 12:35 AM
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Then set an ultimatum, the clock is ticking and anyone who isn't a husband or wife shouldn't get husband/wife privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:57 PM
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Children are expensive without welfare, but weddings can be as cheap as you like, I've seen some that are no more than a few hundred bucks. An expensive ring nor lavish celebration is required, the only mandatory part is getting the marriage license.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 11:55 PM
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This is how it would work if guys didn't twist themselves into pretzels trying to maximize the number of women they can get at the cost of their own being.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 10:30 PM
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I am seriously surprised when many women do not understand what men mean when they say that "attractive men are worse than average men" You mean a subset of attractive men are worse than average men, not average men in general. The hot = bad mindset needs to stop as if average or even below average guys are innocent angels just waiting to be given a chance. But hot guys can-- Yes, welcome to pretty privilege, but the assumption that everyone who CAN behave badly WILL behave badly is a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 10:21 PM
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Because I have yet to see a counter example, it always involves cherry picking instead of looking at the entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 06:14 PM
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Sometimes you have to make quarterly payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 04:44 AM
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Huh, my thought was "this is why requiring ID to look at certain material (cough Online Safety Act) or make posts is a bad idea."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:24 AM
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But that's what it all boils down to, most dating troubles started when the smartphone and social media got big. Once companies figured out how to maximize profits, it only got worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:10 AM
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I can explain it in two words: Social Media. Not sure why I need to spend half an hour watching a video.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 12:03 AM
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ANYONE can treat a woman badly, it doesn't matter if they're rich, poor, young, old, short, tall, famous, boring or whatever trait. That being said, pretty privilege does exist, but it shouldn't be taken to mean "unattractive guys are nicer because they can't get away with as much." I suspect those guys have their own motives as there is nearly 0 correlation between looks and behavior. Sure some groups are more likely to cause problems than others, but you aren't dating a group of people, you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:12 PM
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Ouch, no wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:36 PM
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Why is the boys side going broke, but the girls side isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:19 PM
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90%+ of people who commit violent crimes are men, but most men don't commit crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:08 PM
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Anyone can say no so anyone can be gatekeepers, that doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:42 PM
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I've noticed a lot of "woman problems" actually end up being "poor people" or "hood problems". Or guys making $30k a year complaining about how a woman is going to take their non-existent house and assets in a divorce because they read a horror story online. It doesn't make sense to look at any group as a whole, but rather the one you're most in contact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:40 PM
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Then be a bad man and see how far that (doesn't) get you including the number of doors that are now barred shut from having a record.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:37 PM
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The only time I've seen it is from guys who were worried their wife would leave them if she got a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 09:22 PM
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Some states have, but nothing universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:56 PM
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Is this the UK Online Safety Act?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 08:55 PM
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If it wasn't hard, then everyone would be making $200k.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:15 PM
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I wouldn't want to go camping anywhere without a big iron, there's more than just bears that will ruin your day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:10 PM
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Was this written by a stranger?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:02 PM
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Giving wife privileges to someone that isn't a husband makes no sense to me. I wonder if this will put a pin in the "men don't care about a woman's career" types.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:28 PM
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Average guys get a chance all the time, the majority of the population is in a long term relationship with someone similar in status to them. Most people are fine as long as they aren't physically repellent and have a decent social environment which does seem to be getting rarer these days. But it's entirely fair to not give specific people a chance for whatever reason. The people saying "choose better" are mostly guys that are angry they weren't picked, so they blame the woman instead of the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:15 PM
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Paying for everything is commonly pushed, but that doesn't mean you can't choose to say no whenever someone expects you to spend $100 on a meal, do what fits your budget and lifestyle, not some random celebrity with 5 OoM more assets. Just because someone's relatively average or even below average doesn't mean they aren't just as capable of doing bad things. There is no such thing as a "safe" demographic free from abusers. As for abuse allegations, what about the many, many, untested kits and ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 03:10 PM
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Welcome to social media where the worst people have the loudest voices. No one wants to talk about normal interactions because that's boring and then they couldn't sell their courses on why x is the problem. Many people have views that directly contradict reality because a talking head put it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 02:49 PM
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Man v bear returns with a new coat of paint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 08:32 AM
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Do people still believe in pure merit these days? Pretty privilege exists for men and women, this is a fundamental aspect in every part of society including dating, jobs, and other social events. As long as people vary in looks, there will be bias, the only way this changes is if everyone is genetically engineered to look identical, but that's eugenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:35 PM
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Certainly the original concept of "looksmaxxing" did not come from a corporation, it most certainly came from some turbo virgin 4chan terminally online wierdo. It was originally a fringe idea, but then companies take that idea and use it to make profit. It is the opposite because people are choosing online dating over meeting in person. I blame social media for this one, it's exploiting people's natural weakness and turning it up to 11. This is one of the problems of conspiracies, there's usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:52 PM
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That's the fun part, it doesn't need to work, it just needs enough people to think it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 10:42 PM
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The whole thing is stupid and only a net negative to society, but a few people make a lot of money so it will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:55 PM
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Most of those guys aren't models or high status though, average guys can be just as bad about those things too. Assuming that woman posting about bad behavior = "must be a model or minor celebrity" is a fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:41 PM
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So "looksmaxxing" is companies finally finding a way to pull the same tactics that they did on women for decades, which is pushing the problem in the form of unrealistic standards then selling them the solution in the form of surgeries, expensive procedures and other gimmicks. If they don't do it for themselves then tell them it will get them dates so they willingly hand over their paychecks to you, it makes sense now. I don't hate tech and media companies enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 09:35 PM
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Dating apps aren't fair, but it's still not eugenics because people aren't forced to use them and it's still the individual choosing. I’m not saying that would radically alter their chances with the opposite sex, but to pretend as if there aren’t any large-scale forces at play isn’t completely true either. There are larger forces at play, but none are explicitly deciding who gets kids and who doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:32 PM
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At that point it depends entirely on personality, sounds like a chill life and I don't know anyone who would be against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:31 PM
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"People not being mandated to have sex with me is eugenics." People really be making up anything. When I think eugenics, I specifically think of a large external force doing the selection, ie governments or other humans doing things like dog or plant breeding. Forced sterilization is also eugenics. In fact I would argue government enforced monogamy is eugenics in a way because choices are being suppressed in favor of everyone getting a partner. What isn't eugenics is personal choices based on pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:28 PM
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Sad thing is some guys would see this as an upgrade to their current situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 05:12 AM
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But besides that, they have been. And people have been losing their minds now that men are voting more like an interest group than they have before. Looks around what interest exactly? No relevant politician has solutions that help men, they're all in it to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:50 AM
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Fighting almost never in middle and upper class society, the "fight for your life" thing is mainly concentrated in poor countries and lower class. A fight should always be avoided if at all possible, but if it comes down to that, there's tools that help even the odds so it's not "strongest guy wins".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:37 AM
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That's fair, and they can do their own thing provided they don't break any laws while doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:30 AM
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That's something that would only be said in the bedroom, not to a complete stranger or on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 01:49 AM
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That's about $250 stateside which is 1-2 days pay depending on the job, it's definitely affordable although doing it more than once a month gets pricey.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:07 PM
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For some people that's possible with only a haircut, for others it requires some lifts or plastic surgery, and for some it's impossible in a society without arranged marriage or a lot of money. Many guys aren't going to like what the answer is for them in current society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 10:00 PM
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They're less active in the spaces I frequent, but I also think they're dumb and not a proper solution to the current problems. The goal there is the same, get to a country with a higher standard of living then look for better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 09:18 PM
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Why do people downvote daily threads?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:56 PM
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Very, very few men say they don't want sex. Almost no man is interested in starting a relationship if it's guaranteed there will be no sex. Therefor it's safe to say that everyone wants sex at some point whether it's immediately or after some time, the goal is to make sure they won't run off afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:48 PM
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It’s bad for society for all of those things to be well compensated. Why not, good compensation powers the economy, creates jobs and allows raising families. The only losers here are the stingy bosses that refuse to pay enough to be competitive. Lives are wasted trying and failing to succeed at those things, to the detriment of their life outcomes, instead of doing something that society actually needs. If someone is paying me good money, I don't care if it's what society "needs" or not. If thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 06:13 PM
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Why shouldn't some of them they make more than a normal job if they're good at it? Should people be prevented from paying athletes and streamers as well or just the jobs you disagree with? What if you had the chance to 10x your current income doing one of those "not real jobs?"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 05:36 PM
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Bad example, a few outliers make millions but 99.5% make less than median wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:43 AM
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Kids are a big dealbreaker, better to tell her sooner while she still has time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:32 AM
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The cultural differences would be too much for me, someone 10 years younger/older than me is going to have a drastically different experience growing up that I couldn't relate to and it feels like I'm talking to a child/parent rather than a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 11:29 AM
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Stole these from another post, I thought they made some interesting points I haven't seen before link for new yorker article about why pople are hooking up less than ever. https://www.npr.org/2025/07/11/nx-s1-5454738/gen-z-is-afraid-of-sex-and-for-good-reason https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-is-gen-z-having-less-sex-than-millennials.html
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 11:06 PM
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Many aren't even mentally ill, but got unlucky and ended up going down a rabbithole leading them to dark places. Even a single missed signal can start the spiral that is nearly inescapable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:55 AM
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I don't know how that subreddit is still around, it seems to be where they've all migrated to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:46 AM
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They could in theory, but there's only so many high income individuals to go around and dating below average - average guys for their money is a shaky prospect when they could be earning their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:43 AM
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From what I've heard a lot, it doesn't matter what they look like or what they're doing, there's always someone hitting on them even when it's obvious they're married. This extends to social media as well, no shortage of guys willing to hit up random women although they never reciprocated because they didn't date internet strangers and were already married. Some are nice, some less so. Many often sent raunchy pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:41 AM
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Not only is it the dominant app, but the parent company Match.com also bought out most of it's competitors and turned them into the same model of maximizing revenue from frustrated men. For profit apps as they currently are won't work for the majority of people and should be discouraged in favor of other means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 12:30 AM
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The tech leaders don't care if it affects society, all they care about is making more money than they already have. They'll never suffer the consequences as they're highly desirable themselves and will never have to face going through what an average person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:41 PM
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This depends on your age and status. Young people who are still building should be more open to building with a partner. If you're both young then you both don't have much to lose unless you're one of the lucky few with 6 figures + house. But there comes a point where you've made it on your own and built up a high salary (say more than 250k) at a young-enough age but haven't built up a high net worth yet (to the point where their investments make more than their salary). Strictly from an economi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:14 PM
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Allowing them to easily access the internet is a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:01 PM
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Last I checked, 70% is more than 0%, but most would rather pay the child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:50 PM
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You have your experiences, I have mine, I will leave it at that and continue this no further.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:39 PM
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Are you really gonna sit here and lie and claim that the default is 50-50 custody? That’s never been the default. Yes, because this is the law where I live and I have seen multiple divorces. Why are you telling me that the law and my own experiences are lies? The default is primary custody is awarded to the woman, and the man has to move out and find another place to live and she uses the child support alimony payment to continue paying off the house. Which depends on the specific arrangement th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:29 PM
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The men don’t fight because they’re lawyer advises them against it because they’ll spend thousands and thousands of dollars on legal bills and still lose This part isn't actually true, men that do contest it more often than not get the kids. If they choose to do nothing and complain that she took everything they deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:26 PM
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The reason is women are typically awarded the kids and the house in a divorce. Then why isn't the man fighting for 50/50 custody which is the default? And yes, the factors above contribute to what I mentioned, nearly 2 in 3 people over the age of 75 are women. I've had to sit through a couple divorces and "the woman gets everything no strings attached" is not the default judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:20 PM
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60% of homes that are owned by people who are not married, are owned by women. Part of this is explained by women living longer and getting the house in the will, not divorce. That’s a direct result of women being awarded the home in a divorce the majority of the time. In many of those cases, the owner has to buy the other person out of the other half of their house, it's not "divorce = free house". Unless like in my mother's case she was able to prove the husband was not paying any of the bills…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:11 PM
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Increase the pay and reduce the stigma. Computer science was known for being high earning and fairly low requirements, but now AI and outsourcing is making that more difficult, I wonder if trades will be pushed next.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:33 PM
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It's a common mistake to assume boys are "easier" to raise or they don't need as much care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:32 PM
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This is dumb, either you're committed and no longer looking for anyone else or you're not. But I don't believe in having social media for an IRL presence and despise having pictures of myself so maybe I'm biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:17 PM
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Why is the 1950s being pushed so hard as a time that was great for everyone? Most of it wasn't that great and if you were the wrong class or color then it was substantially worse. But everyone thinks it was great because of Hollywood and survivorship bias. Is there a reason no one ever pushes for the 80s, 90s, or 00s as the culture to emulate?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:13 PM
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Unfortunately bad people ruin the experience for everyone else. Most people aren't criminals, but everyone still protects their stuff against them. "Most people are good" is not a strong argument when society is built on protecting against the minority of bad people. This has always been the case, but before the 2000s these cases were limited to the local area while now it doesn't even need to happen to someone nearby to hear about it. That being said this problem isn't limited to women, men hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:08 PM
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They don’t realize when they started the stripping of mens assets through divorce would be the ultimate result if no one marrying I don't understand this talking point, most guys don't have anything worth taking early on and even then it's only going to apply to assets acquired DURING the marriage, why go through all that work when it's easier to get a job and make money that way? If you're afraid of that then only date women that are similar or higher class.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:39 PM
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A lot of those fathers weren't good even in old times, but now is there's more people talking about it and opting out of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:34 PM
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Old youtube before monetization, shorts, community tab, media personalities, etc. sure, but modern youtube I absolutely consider to be under the same umbrella.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:31 PM
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We did, but there's a difference between modern youtube and pre-2010 youtube + Myspace. It was before monetization and companies figuring out what makes the most money leading to influencers and algorithms promoting unrealistic ragebait. Even early Facebook was drastically different before they began to maximize profits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:57 PM
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Unfortunately no, I remember seeing it but forgot to bookmark.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 11:27 AM
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Probably, if you're below average to average in looks, then you need decent social skills, if you don't have good looks OR social skills, you aren't getting anywhere without a large amount of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:24 AM
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Is there even a strategy that works for someone that high on the spectrum outside of becoming super rich? The singleness rates are in the 70-80%% range for that group.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 01:50 AM
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That would require approaching men as well, but no one is going to do that for complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:27 PM
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I agree that cold approaching is a bad idea, all that can be seen at that point is looks, not personality which is more important for a relationship, and 99% of the time it's going to be a rejection anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:26 PM
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Some even collect a paycheck for damaging the social fabric, of course they're happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:20 PM
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I haven't, but I know family who has. There's a reason they immigrate here and no one is dying to move to Vietnam, Sudan, etc. outside of passportbros looking for women. People say the US is bad, but other countries were so much worse, many didn't even have access to running water or electricity growing up. Compared to food instability and lack of access to modern amenities, I'd say dating issues are minor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:00 PM
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It's culture not money, if it was just about money then people in dirt poor countries and communities would be facing the same problems, but judging by fertility rates they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:36 PM
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What other men want has no bearing on what I'm looking for, I've seen how very badly felon relationships can go and I don't want any part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:44 PM
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Just fridge, it's fine if put in the fridge within a couple hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:06 PM
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I cook about once a week if you exclude box mixes, typically when I'm craving something. The cleanup is annoying, but there's 3-4 days worth of meals out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:48 PM
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Failure to enforce standards causes this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:43 PM
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It's funny you should say that because NK appears to have a decent (relative to the rest of the developed world) birthrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:15 PM
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Payment processors already prevent you from buying LEGAL goods if they don't like it and use their influence to force censorship of otherwise legal media.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:13 PM
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Boring, lazy, efficient
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:22 AM
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Just because someone isn't a romantic option doesn't mean they can't be a good friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:39 AM
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Does this sub have bits that delete comments in a shadow way that makes users think the comment is still posted? This is how all of Reddit works, if a comment is removed by moderators, it doesn't send a notification by default and the comment will still be visible in the thread unless logged out. That being said bots remove comments the instant they're posted if rule breaking, otherwise it's a human doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:57 PM
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So you're saying the solution is to move into these communities? You might be on to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:54 PM
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I have the real time version and it's annoying, very rarely is there a message citing what rule I broke and sometimes it's instant so I know a bot did it, I think that's modern Reddit in general though. I think it's supposed to be an anti spam measure, but these days most bot creators are smart enough to check if a comment is visible while people with no idea can go years without a single interaction because they were shadowbanned without knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 11:50 PM
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Nope, most people need social skills even outside of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:43 PM
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But if you asked the gender flipped version of this question there would be no shortage of men willing to be with women who play video games, some even consider hygiene to be optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:15 PM
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Only if you care about attracting random strangers to a facade of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:14 PM
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This is what vetting is for, but writing them off entirely is easier when there's so many other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:10 PM
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Unfortunately many people will because ragebait is popular, that account sometimes even posts outright lies and gets community notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:09 PM
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That guy is an infamous gender- and race-baiter, nothing positive is gained by looking at anything they post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:06 PM
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This is very common in the military, but there wasn't a risk of nonpayment because of the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:37 PM
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I went to private school, teen pregnancy was not common there, in fact it was not common anywhere. Given my mother comes from a family where most of them had their first child at 15-17, it was a worry in my day but it seems like it's gone too far in the other direction now. Check out the teen pregnancy rate in the early 90s, it used to be much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:20 PM
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Don't know if paying minimum payment debt on time gradually lowers score but I feel you wouldn't be getting a new lease anymore when lenders see the debt. As long as you pay on time lenders won't care, but it does impact your future ability to get loans since debt/income ratio is part of the calculation. So this doesn't feel like a long term thing, just a short 3 year lease and never again until the debt is paid? Most of them are purchases, but they would have a really high interest rate like 15…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:18 PM
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Most HS relationships don't work out or last anyway, pregnancy would've been a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:11 PM
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That isn't the same as family because schoolmates can mostly choose to ignore you in favor of others while with family socializing is forced.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:10 PM
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Many boys are from either small families or only children and the only woman they see on a regular basis is their mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 01:35 PM
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If only loud minority of guys ruin it for the rest of you we wouldn't have the lonely men epidemic but here we are. It's true though, most guys don't do this behavior and don't look much different from a normal guy aside from the lack of sex. They aren't going to show up in comments, on podcasts, make videos, or in DMs wanting to enslave women or other horrible things. They're struggling for reasons somewhat out of their control. There's also many guys that do show this kind of behavior (Chris B…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:20 AM
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The so-called "grifters" are very honest about the fact that it will take years of hard work until you have the lifestyle that you want and it will require a massive change of mindset. Even then, hard work is a requirement outside of inheriting a trust fund, many people work hard and will never see a million dollars in their account. Those grifters peddle this because they make money, not because they care about the audience they're preaching to. But sure, listening to Mr. Positive Masculinity a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:10 AM
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I'd try to do some vetting first like making sure they're not already in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:43 AM
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Watching someone else do chores after a long day of doing chores yourself is one of the saddest things I've heard today... thus far. Someone still has to do the work, no one is going to pay you to clean your own house. If you're single for any length of time you'll have to anyway. You are right, never aspire to be better. Remember your place and play chorecraft. I never said that, I said be realistic. Most people cannot do what the influencers grifting on them can anymore than winning the lotter…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:37 AM
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So beta bucks behavior. Unless they plan on living in filth or ordering takeout all the time, they will need to know how to do basic household chores like laundry, cooking and cleaning, it's part of being an adult. Even if they do have someone, unless they live in a single income household it's unreasonable to expect women to do 100% of the chores. Refusing to clean doesn't make you "alpha", it makes you trash. Cleaning sucks but everyone has to do it unless you're paying someone else to. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:10 AM
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Nah, there's other options in this environment, if they choose to worship those two charlatans then I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:58 AM
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Unfortunately like many things in life, it's the case of a loud minority of guys that ruin it for the rest of us. There's no way to avoid these types of messages if you're a woman and it's part of why the environment it the way it is. A minority of people are criminals after all but there's enough of them that it restructures society in how it functions, same goes for dating and other issues. Being alone sucks, but if I had to constantly deal with that kind of behavior I don't blame people for n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 05:44 AM
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In this context, it's always going to involve relationships or sex, otherwise they would just be a friend. No man is putting forth that much effort to make regular friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:17 AM
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Spending $200k+ for a CHANCE to get women only for them to leave if they found out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:40 PM
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I wonder which grifter/plastic surgeon is convincing them to spend the equivalent of a cheap house on a few inches of height. Only time it makes sense is if mismatched legs or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:38 PM
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I wish half the standards that they claimed women wanted were true, I would be coasting through life on easy mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:37 PM
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Either bad experiences or they don't like the current options, can't say I blame them, I'm rather picky myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:16 PM
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I would call that commitment, not dating itself, it's possible to have multiple dates going on at the same time. Dating = I am seeing this person, but I don't know if I would settle down with them. Commitment = This is someone I'm settling with and am no longer looking for anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 03:03 PM
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You don't need to ignore it, but you should make an effort to be part of the group and not look like an outsider who is only there to pickup chicks, it's also a good way to vet potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:53 AM
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Cheating can happen to anyone from anyone, the other person doesn't even need to be objectively better in the cheaters eyes. There is no magic combination of looks, money, status, or personality that can prevent it, everyone from the fry cook working part time to the richest man in the world is at risk. Some people think they will never get caught so they decide to take the risk anyway for the novelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:40 AM
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They already do, but some people will try to use it as a weapon against people they don't like without any proof exactly like calling ICE on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:34 AM
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By that definition it has never been easy for men, but it is possible or else the vast majority of guys would be single virgins. Kind of like driving a car, it isn't easy but most able-bodied people get a license or at least a permit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:31 AM
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Nah, it's a class thing, if I ever found out about behavior like that I would find a way to distance myself from both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:20 AM
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Whatever it is it's enough to avoid apps entirely in favor of picking someone local.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:18 AM
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The claim was that most men are undesireable because of not being in the top, but if this is true then most guys should be single because most guys are not 6 feet or 100k+ salaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 01:17 AM
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That's not how rights work, they need to be defended yes, but they aren't zero-sum. Someone else having the same rights as you does not take away from your agency. Women being able to get jobs and credit does not make men lose theirs. Honestly it sounds less like people want fairness, but rather to be the ones doing the abuse instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:41 PM
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In what way? Because if it comes at the expense of me or my family, then I don't want anything to do with it and they should frankly be watched closely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:34 PM
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I know many will refuse to use apps, but they still have plenty of options through traditional means like work, friend groups, etc. so they can afford to not use them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:13 PM
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Therefor the majority of men are single incels right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:12 PM
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Says as much as about the women you hang around with as it does with the guy themselves. That's rather low class behavior I only observed while in very poor areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:08 PM
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I have sympathy as long as they stay reasonable and don't perceive them as a threat to anyone they might encounter. Have to remember, just because someone has 0 options currently does not mean they will be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:00 PM
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This is why casual sex will never be equal even in a perfectly egalitarian society without shame, biology gets in the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:54 PM
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How would anyone know anyone enjoys their company? This is what vetting should be for, don't offer sex immediately and see if they lose interest. Why would she assume she is a fleshlight instead of anything else? As long as they don't know the intentions of the man, it's important to keep a guard against that behavior thanks to the men that eagerly sleep around if they get the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:33 PM
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Nothing, but from the perspective of the woman how are they supposed to know? There's no shortage of people willing to bend the truth in order to sleep with someone or using them until someone they actually like comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:23 PM
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iPad babies? Exposing them to technology too early has been shown to be harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:16 PM
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A good chunk but not all, many aren't neurodivergent but never had the opportunity to develop social skills thanks to the current environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:11 PM
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So I don't get infected ingrown hairs constantly and I don't get mistaken for a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:07 PM
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Thinking that someone is good because they haven't had the option of being bad yet is a corollary of just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 10:01 PM
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Some dudes really are that thirsty and they would take anything over nothing at all because it's still the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 06:16 PM
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This is impossible anyways, there will always be at least one group of people that will be angry because it's impossible to please everyone regardless of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:05 PM
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No shortage of people with $900+/m car payments here despite many of them working in retail. Some of them are even higher than my rent/mortgage payment, I don't see what's attractive about losing $1000 every month on a depreciating asset.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:24 PM
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Women are sleeping with tons of men. The vast majority of women aren't sleeping around with dozens of men, this myth comes from claiming outliers are the norm. For gay men sure you’re right, but for heterosexual men that isn’t an option. Sexuality doesn’t work that way Because there's no attraction, no one wants to be the subject of unwanted sexual attention. It’s why women are privileged beyond belief. They have it so EASY EASIER maybe, but not EASY, dating is still difficult and most men don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:19 PM
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I'm straight myself and I've always found it dumb too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:46 PM
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Yes, at least for hookups, less so for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:05 AM
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The woman is still going to find men, but has to be careful of pump and dumps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:56 AM
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Even below average women get plenty of attention easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:55 AM
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They aren't wrong, the puritanism is still around, but with a different slant to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:14 AM
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Women already do this, but it's not going to be for randos.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 02:00 AM
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It depends on how they respond, I wouldn't list income, but if they act disappointed because they think I don't have a lot of money or a high status job then it's not a good sign. There are men that are happy to provide that lifestyle, but I'm not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:41 PM
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Because most people don't want to have sex with other men, there's even a phrase for this called "gay for pay."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:21 PM
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For some reason many people think the relationship will be perfect and nothing can go wrong for them, at least it seems that way during the honeymoon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:19 PM
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this doesn't make sense It makes sense in a way, women that "give up" sex too easily are seen negatively for not making the man work harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:02 PM
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To influence the value of those women in the eyes of other men? Attack other people so you're more likely to be picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:00 PM
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50? Outside of my baby album I think there's maybe a dozen overall and I never send anyone pictures nor give permission.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:51 PM
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There's many women that are only considered for sleeping with but not a relationship or that a guy will only take if there's no one else. Not quite the same thing but pretty close.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:38 PM
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Culture is a stronger factor than looks, I used to live in an area where no one made over $30k/year yet most of them had a gf or wife. No one was notably ugly, but they weren't models either and obesity was a big problem. I wonder if being higher class is making it harder to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:28 PM
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Ever notice how the richest people on the planet don't have super flashy clothes with easily visible name brands? I often think about that with posts like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:25 PM
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Men are the ones who decide what they see as attractive though and they overwhelmingly condemn women that are too open. Welcome to shame culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:12 PM
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Any day now I'm sure, I've been hearing this for the past 10+ years and all that we've gotten is new waves of grifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:05 PM
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We already have this problem stateside to a lesser extent, many will have children for the benefits then use the money for vices instead of raising the kids well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:43 PM
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Then why bother investing in relationships since they're now so much more risky and expensive to get out of? If the person I marry turns out to be abusive or has some other problem, I should not have to show bruises to be able to get out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:27 PM
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Eastern countries are capitalist and also manage to do a better job with this stuff. Looks at map of birth rate, where exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:23 PM
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You know why they choose children? Because adults know better and are resistant to manipulation. In the Oryol and Kemerovo regions of Russia , pregnant schoolgirls will be able to receive a one-time payment of 100,000 rubles (about 1,100 euros) this year, and in the Bryansk region - even 150,000 rubles. "Alexandra* got pregnant at the age of 13. She tells DW that the idea of ​​the state giving one-time benefits is very bad: "These amounts may motivate girls to give birth, but they have no idea w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:07 PM
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People who can't get dates at all aren't that common, but what is society supposed to do here? If it involves restricting the rights of others it will be opposed. And if they break the rules because of it then they lose all chances to get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:06 PM
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If you give everything and get nothing in return, that's a sign to breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:55 PM
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Can't go to prison over a vote If all they do is vote, then nothing will happen, and most of them aren't voting anyways (low participation). It would require them to somehow not only outvote the people that have normal lives, but also have a politician willing to carry out them without immediately having their career killed for being anti 19A or similar. but if you want to get into serious crimes (which is not what was being discussed) I'm pretty sure they're winning in terms of ratio. Winning i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:42 PM
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Except it's less "misandry" and more wanting to get their way without any pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:34 PM
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Being broke and without a (current) girlfriend is still better than rotting in a prison or early grave which is what will actually happen if they try anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:32 PM
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Because that assumption is almost always correct, it's the motte and bailey at work. Someone starts out with a reasonable idea that everyone mostly agrees with, then become threatening when they don't get their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:30 PM
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I'm not a women, but I value the women in my family far more than the men who threaten to destabilize society to get their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:27 PM
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Spread the problem to me and I'll return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:26 PM
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Please, I've been hearing about this supposed "uprising" for years, nothing ever happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:26 PM
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I blame social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:54 AM
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One can make oneself compatible with anything. This isn't compatibility, this is being a doormat to save the relationship. Compatibility is being able to be mostly yourself and still have interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:43 AM
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People do date up when they can if given the opportunity both men and women. "Damn, I shouldn't take my shot or try to date this person because I think they're too pretty for me," says no one ever. Rejection sucks, but never taking a shot is worse. But most encounters are going to be among similar class which means most people will be similar to each other and not super mismatched.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:36 AM
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Redpill talks about it a lot (AFBB), but it leaks into other parts of social media from time to time. Anyone taking it to heart is liable to shoot themselves in the foot though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:33 AM
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At least it sounds upscale enough that class won't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:29 AM
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For some people that fantasy was the closest they ever got to a relationship/hookup without putting forth a massive effort, it makes sense that it would be held in higher regard. Maybe if they could've read the room better they would be in an LTR instead of alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:27 AM
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I wonder how much dating frustration is caused by not being able to read signals until it's too late because of poor socialization or lack of being direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:38 PM
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I have a problem when women who hate men get those men's money at the expense of women who don't, because it puts everyone in a system that artificially incentivizes hating men. Yeah it sucks, but that's the way tax law and welfare works, you (royal) generally benefit more the less you put in and hating people that you indirectly take money from doesn't disqualify you from receiving benefits. There's plenty of men on welfare and disability that hate women after all but they don't receive the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:36 PM
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This is what single men do. https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/second-quarter-2019/earnings-gap-marital-status-race-gender Are single men deliberately choosing to make less money or maybe they don't have the same opportunities that someone who's married does? I doubt people care about the taxes they pay more than they care about the amount of money they take home. Yes, and this is how there are many never-married men, more never-married men than women, and many never-marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:08 PM
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How often does the "one that got away" actually happen? I've heard of it but never saw it IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 06:20 PM
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Thanks, I've saved an archive of it here
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:42 PM
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They do though, even more so than men. Most people don't want to be responsible for someone else's kid and the kid will always come first in the relationship, But single fathers are a lot rarer on the dating market and most women have enough options to easily exclude single fathers even if they are a single mother themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:24 PM
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I've heard of porn use in a relationship being a problem but I wonder how common it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:19 PM
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I imagine most guys want one women with a good personality, no kids and reasonable attractiveness. Problem is they're competing with a bunch of other guys for that women as they're highly desirable and the internet culture has also added it's own problems to the point where people would rather sit at home than go outside and meet someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:15 PM
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No, the imbalance is caused by men being more interested in women than vice versa, but commitment is what people would do if they weren't ok with sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:09 PM
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This is what commitment is, people can choose to ask for it before ever sleeping with someone but many would prefer to have more fun over sticking with one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:02 PM
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Lmao tell where in my comment I said any of those things. This is exactly what I am talking about. All I said is men should be free to vote for what benefits them and here you are saying all this crazy shit. Oh they're free to vote for what benefits them, but the majority of the time their idea of what benefits them is taking away women's rights and trying to force women to sleep with men they don't want. I always give guys who say that the side eye unless they elaborate and don't go down that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:59 PM
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I have yet to see one that wasn't a predator or at least didn't have ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:48 PM
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Let me know when women threaten to rape men, attack them, or prevent them from voting entirely, pretending they're the same is disingenuous. Men can choose to take actions that benefit them without threatening to take away rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:47 PM
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Incels are mad because they aren't getting picked, but instead of improving themselves or making suggestions to improve society without severely impacting others, they instead want to legalize some form of forced sex or "punish" women who are having sex with people besides them. This won't get them more sex, but it will reduce the number is sexual encounters in the same way that lower drinking reduced them and the number of them will increase not decrease.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:45 PM
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Making thinly veiled threats are sure to solve the problem and not make it even worse. It's one thing to point out a problem, it's another to say "love us OR ELSE."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:41 PM
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I've heard of it happening, but it happens to other high status people, not average randos.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:39 PM
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The study claiming 60% of young men are single is not actually a study and is terribly flawed, someone made a write up debunking it a month ago, but I lost the link. The real numbers are about 31-32% single for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:33 PM
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People who have options or aren't desperate will ghost if they don't like them enough, there's nothing the other person can do about it because it's not their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:26 PM
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I mean I would argue when you really think about how ruthless and competitive the dating market is for the average man do you think your father would have even had a chance to conceive you if he existed in this current dating climate? Probably, but he was a really trashy person and is responsible for why my early life sucked so I don't want to be like him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:25 PM
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People making more money tend to pay higher tax rates, but this isn't gender discrimination and if they feel like they get taxed too much they can choose to work a lower paying job like fry cook instead of maximizing their opportunities. A man making $30k/year is receiving far more in state support than any middle class+ women outside of biology specific care like childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:21 PM
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Companies don't care about body positivity, they care about money. Including more types of women increases their profits so they do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:19 PM
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I don't get why they bother with the bans, you can't negotiate what someone's attracted to nor will banning them change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 07:22 AM
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culture. the same thing that has changed since the 90s and has led to those men having 0 women interested in the first place. if I was dictator for the day I'd start with banning porn and social media for anyone under 21, I agree with the culture and lack of incentives to going outside, but this is a stick rather than a carrot approach so I oppose it especially since it would make my own life notably worse. Social media and porn are used because it's so much less effort and it's easy to see nake…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:09 AM
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A woman will say, "Well, what do you want me to do about it? If it's a problem, how do you intend we SOLVE it?" A man will say, "I never asked anyone to solve it, I just want people to acknowledge that it's a normal thing to feel sad about." Step 1 is seeing it as a problem to begin with which many still struggle with acknowledging, only then can solutions be proposed. Many problems are individual issues like poverty or literacy, but society can still help without forcing people to give up their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:10 PM
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It's still better than having children at 14, I've seen it happen several times and it has never turned out well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:32 PM
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Felons do have more children compared to general pop, but I would think it's because of the social circles they're in that encourage it rather than the criminal record itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:28 PM
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When I say solved, I mean how does the man get women interested in him when they currently have 0 interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:19 PM
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If a man has 0 women interested in sleeping with them, how would that be solved outside of economic coercion or violence? That's mostly what I see being pushed as a solution and it's not a strawman since I see men in these very threads arguing for "forced female births", "violent uprisings", "gov mandated gfs" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:15 PM
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Going for IRL over apps does put you ahead since you aren't directly competing with several thousand other dudes but I have some questions. Are you approaching complete strangers or someone that you know something about beforehand like work? I'm also curious about the success rate as cold approaches are notorious for being very low. Many people say it doesn't work because they aren't attractive enough or are afraid of causing a scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:09 PM
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Unless those same women refuse to have sex with them then they get nasty and ruin it for everyone including themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:59 PM
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Animals don't have morals, they simply do what has the best chance of passing on their genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:35 PM
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They may not care about body count or promiscuity, but they will often murder the young of rivals so they can have exclusive children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:22 PM
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Pointless difficulty isn't "manly", it's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:18 PM
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Yes, kind of hard to have children as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:14 PM
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The biggest reason is social stigma, enough men see it as a bad thing that it causes them to not do it as often as they would like.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:10 PM
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Good point, never have children and let the birth rate crash even further.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:08 PM
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Being extreme is profitable and if they actually solved the problems they complain about they would lose the userbase they grift from.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:23 AM
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Most people are normal and fine, but those that aren't get over-represented which leads to appearing more common than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:18 AM
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The internet does enable weirdos to connect and form a community when they otherwise wouldn't because of social pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 01:15 AM
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Maybe if you have no integrity, but someone having no options doesn't mean they'll be faithful any more than a criminal in prison is good because they can't commit crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:50 PM
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Sounds like those guys want to be attractive enough that they can be terrible people and still get laid rather than having to put effort into being decent like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:40 PM
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At no point now or in the past has this ever worked for the majority of people, the vast majority of people get with someone they know already, not complete strangers cold approaching in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:25 PM
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It's only boring if you refuse to have a life outside of the relationship or abandon all of your friend and hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:02 PM
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This isn't the 1940s anymore, raw strength is not as useful as it used to be compared to brains. Most good jobs will be locked out to you along with their social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:47 PM
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If they were as picky as people here said they were I would've have a better upbringing, but instead I had to live in poverty for half my life because the guy sucked and no they didn't look like a male model (because some people here like to claim that for some reason whenever they hear about bad behavior).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:30 AM
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A similar problem happens in gay dating, hookups are very easy to get, but good luck with finding commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:49 PM
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By many you mean less than 1% of the population. Take monetary gain out of it and it's probably more like .05%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 09:42 PM
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I suppose that depends on the family, some will let you stay for free, others charge rent or expect you to help out around the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:45 PM
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Most women expect a man to pay for the apartment they live it, How are they able to survive beforehand then? Are they jumping on Tinder the moment they get a degree or do they work some kind of job first in which case they don't need the man's money?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:41 PM
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In that case most women aren't going to bother with relationships unless the man has a very high tax bracket since they could just earn the money themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:38 PM
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Some guys I knew were overly scared of getting a girl pregnant so they didn't approach anyone in HS.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:24 PM
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A woman has the option to get an abortion, but the man can't force her. What's he supposed to do? Don't sleep with women unprotected if you don't want to risk children. So it's still clearly an issue that's getting better when you look in one direction, but worse when you look in another. So it's still very much an issue I'd argue it's better overall now than it was in 1974.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:10 PM
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More like blaming both. Also, it's hard not to stay when the child is literally inside you. Adoption or abortion was always an option at least until recently. Compare 1974 to 2023, and the number of black children who live in two-parent homes is down 14% The number of teen parents is down 85% and overall fertility rates are down by 40% so there's still fewer single parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:05 PM
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I come from a family where single parenthood is common, most women didn't deliberately choose this so I have 0 interest in defending the deadbeats over the parent that stayed. In addition, I don't see any demographic where those trends are on the rise, but I'll take more loneliness over more single parent households.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:56 PM
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We know. Thats why guys dont walk up to women anymore cause. To ask out. To show interest. Cause women demonize it. Doesn't matter to some guys, they will approach anyone regardless of how they feel. But women also complain when they have to do any work in making advance. Showing interest. To have them be the ones that have to get rejected. Then they didn't actually like the guy or they would be much more direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:34 PM
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Curious, is there a plot of income vs marriage/relationship rates that only consider the woman's income or is it just another bundle of anecdotes in a data trenchcoat?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:27 PM
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Once you start getting to physically repellent as opposed to merely average, personality is not going to matter because it's an instant rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:49 AM
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After I filter for standards, maybe one every month. I don't count online interactions either, if I can't easily meet them IRL then they aren't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:38 AM
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The trick is knowing when to spot those kinds of conversations and moving on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:54 AM
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I have gotten decent advice, but I'm also picky about who I choose and not afraid to be alone for long periods of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:50 AM
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But being a socially awkward woman is so great says this sub. That's probably because they're writing from a male POV. It's a lot more fun when you don't have to take the risks and stigma that a woman would for the same actions so they see the attention as a boon. Why can't we just have back the days where we admitted all socially awkward people suffered and didn't have 24/7 oppression olympics. Unfortunately the internet exists now which is great for information, but also disproportionately giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:41 AM
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Correct, there's a subset of men who don't care about the woman at all and are only looking for a lay. These men will continue to approach regardless of standards, convention and will only stop if physically restrained or sufficiently threatened.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:17 AM
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It's possible to go dutch, but most guys would rather bend to the standards and increase the chance of getting sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:16 AM
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This logic always makes me feel like there should be far fewer single moms if that's the case, especially the ones who complain that a complete loser/asshole got them pregnant. It's so easy to not get pregnant and still have sex. As long as you're responsible, it is extremely straightforward. Teen pregnancy is down, the overall birth rate is down and casual sex is down compared to 30+ years ago. There are still single moms, but it's getting rarer and rarer. In addition, many of those that became…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:12 AM
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The bottom is what most "influencers" sound like to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:00 AM
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Because men don't care if a woman is socially awkward as long as they get sex out of it, they'll approach regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:59 AM
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50 bucks is a weeks worth of food for me, that's quite expensive. That's what I would set as the total for the entire meal including tip. At that point I would consider cooking at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:35 AM
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Anyone know what I mean? I hope someone does because otherwise this is gonna sound schizo af. I know there was a word for this phenomenon on some forum I read a long time ago. It was "beta scolding" or something like that. I call it being ostracized for being a social oddball and it's not gender specific, guys will also bash someone they see as an outsider.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:21 PM
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Unless it's raw meat or Surströmming, probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 11:18 PM
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People make mistakes, people change, don't assume that what happened in previous relationships will be allowed in the current one or that you're lesser because of it, if you really think that way then leave. Am I in the wrong for telling him or is he insecure? He told me if I lie to him he will break up with me so I whenever he asks me personal questions I feel pressured to tell him everything. Yeah I wouldn't tolerate this guy any longer, there would be a swift breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:58 PM
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Or maybe it's because the woman had revenge porn shared of them and they don't want it to happen again? Or are people not allowed to make mistakes and learn lessons? It's a bad look to make demands that make someone uncomfortable even if they used to do it. Once you send a photo, assume it's out there forever, they could have it saved anywhere, encrypted, in the cloud, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:43 PM
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I've always assumed they were fishing for money, if they were actually trying to find a relationship reaching out to thirsty strangers online wouldn't be the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:07 PM
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Huh, guess it's a question for the government or whoever is in charge of those shelters then, clearly there isn't enough if Tinder is being used as an escape rope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 10:04 PM
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I haven't seen this given as advice in my circles, but it will work if the guy is desperate enough for sex or doesn't think about the potential consequences, there's enough on Tinder for it to work. That being said, I personally wouldn't go for it because getting caught in the crossfire is not worth whatever I might get out of it and I like not being in pieces.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:43 PM
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That should be a question for the police department, not dating apps. There's ways of escaping bad situations without potentially putting an unprepared 3rd party at risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:33 PM
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Part of the problem is that "women do" covers up a lot. It's good to attach percentages to those numbers, because while I'm sure it's possible to find at least one women who does X, it gives a different story if it's .09%, 9% or 90%. If you can meet women in more general social situations, you can get to know each other without the hefty price tag. If you have to compete with 1000s of other men, many of which have more money AND better looks than you, it probably isn't going to work without spen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:31 PM
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Some do and some won't regardless of how hot the stranger is, it depends on the environment and the individual woman. Some try it but realize they don't like it, don't do it anymore and raise their standards. Or they get better at vetting and spotting red flags. Some guys are mad that they no longer get the chance at easy sex, but that doesn't change anything. The idea that 30+ percent of women will have casual sex with strangers if they're hot enough is not only logistically impossible, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 09:28 PM
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Other people telling you what should be attractive to you is rich, I view them as having ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:38 PM
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Yeah, i opened a google, and looked for how many women in US (169.6mil), and how many men (166.1mil) which means that it's already evened out +-. That skew is caused by women living longer, but most of them aren't in dating range so it doesn't help, a 50+ year old woman is not going to be considered for dating when children are desired. Take a look at a population pyramid, it starts out with more men, but they die more often so it leads to a switch in the 50s, but below that men outnumber women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:32 PM
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Are boys a better income source? Young men are living in the basement, unemployed, playing video games. Women are earning more every year, and I predict they will eventually outearn men. Recently women only outearn men while they're young, but this changes as they age and childbirth happens. In most cultures it's still seen as the guy having to be the provider while the woman is expected to look pretty and take care of children + household. As for being lazy, unless they're a NEET living off wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:26 PM
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IVF is prohibitively expensive for most of the population, people are mostly opposed to sex selective abortions, and boys are seen as a future income source, it would never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:09 PM
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Some people have a lot of money, but most people can't afford to do it because they have existing family, friends, or not enough money to sustain extended vacations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:48 PM
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It's not about the cooking, it's about the bashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:47 PM
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Move on to the next one, that's disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:43 PM
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You can do that but don't be surprised if you're single forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:43 PM
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I've been asked maybe a couple times in my entire life, but I've never had cash because it's inconvenient to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:42 PM
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I've heard many men won't even bother because they say the women interested in them are too fat and the rest have competition so high that it's impossible. Case in point, about 3 comments down on this very post about PPB.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:40 PM
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There's some interesting characters there, but I'm more of a library person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:55 AM
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I do live in a poorer area with high obesity and marriage is less common, so that's probably it. I don't think anyone I know IRL makes over $45k/year net.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:53 AM
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It took me a couple hours to bake some cookies, but I got 90 of them out of roughly $15 worth of ingredients, the markup on those things are crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:51 AM
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That's the problem with bars, you're selecting for people who make poor financial choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:50 AM
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Are you homeless? Just buy a house!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:43 AM
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Black pill says that only looks matter and there isn't anything you can do to improve your chances. If you can work on improving your outcome then it's no longer black pill. Genetics does have a factor, but most people that don't have a severe disability are usually able to find someone even if it takes more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:33 AM
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A good pair of shoes does the same thing minus the broken legs and price tag.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:28 AM
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I do find it ironic people shame guys who undergo such plastic/cosmetic surgeries while women getting cosmetic surgeries done now is like who gives a fuck lol. There's a decent amount of pushback when women do it too. I've never liked the culture behind cosmetic plastic surgery because I see it as just another means of separating vain people from their money and a sign of poor spending habits which is an instant deal breaker regardless of other characteristics. The way I see it is if you can't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:16 AM
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*Some men do, but it doesn't represent broader society and most guys will go for someone skinnier if given the chance. Fat women at least in my circles have a reputation for being seen as easy; ie picked for easy hookups, but never committed to, which isn't helping.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:05 AM
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If you're "high value", finding someone that will use you is easy, finding someone that likes more than just your money is much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:04 AM
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That's because men and women don't see casual sex the same way most of the time. A guy getting free/easy sex without a relationship is seen as a win for most guys, a women is seen as the opposite and even shunned by other guys. Many guys are willing to have sex with someone but won't invest in them, of course most of the time they don't say this upfront otherwise the woman leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 01:00 AM
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The difference between the old times and hookers is hookers can choose to not fuck someone even for money. Try that in old times and you'd get beaten, institutionalized, or worse. Some guys are unable to attract women without money, the difference now is women are able to opt out of those guys that they are no longer forced to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:22 PM
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They only care about their own happiness, no one else's. Anything that gives women more freedom they see as an attack because it means they have to put in more effort or she'll find someone better rather than being stuck because of laws or tradition. Imagine if you had the choice between sex with someone you didn't like in exchange for whatever little money or abuse they throw your way OR being able to make and manage your money, it's a no brainer. They saw the coerced sex as a win and are mad t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 05:21 PM
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Finding women is easy if you make enough money, but they may not be what you want, Even celebrities get unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:30 PM
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Guess that's a lot of people that I'm automatically incompatible with, oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:26 PM
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Do people care about social media that much? I don't have any META products and only use social media as an anon because I don't want to be easily searchable for privacy reasons, I don't use my real name on anything or take pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:16 PM
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Consent does have a price, but it's not always monetary. It is very rare that a man doesn't need any money to be able to attract women, but even then they need to do something or else they're out of the picture. Many guys who buy sex are often well off enough to attract women on their own, but are only interested in the sex and not the other parts of a relationship. Or they have specific standards that would exclude most people that would be interested in dating them. Trafficking is a problem, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:36 PM
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The death rate of logging which is 30x the national average is about 1 : 1000 workers. 3% (3000 per 100k) of all workers in the field dying every year would be 30x more deadly than logging, and 900x more deadly than the average job (3.5 deaths per 100k workers). The only time it would make sense to take a job with that death rate is if you could work a couple years then retire. It's not just the chance that matters, but the consequences of failure if it matters. 5% chance of death is more severe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:40 PM
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Most people aren't repulsive, but unremarkable and boring so they won't get instant attraction most of the time and competition is higher than it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:10 PM
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In many circles, a lone guy is viewed as a potential problem unless they're gay, the single straight guys are suspected of only being friends to get into pants (some will still try anyway even if the woman is married). If the guy is married or uninterested, this threat goes away and there's less tension.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:31 PM
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Desperation or easy sex, they don't want to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:24 PM
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I've done bread baking a couple times, but the cost and effort for regular bread was too high compared to picking up a regular store loaf, might be worthwhile for specialty ones though. I've been getting more into home cooking as going out to eat is now cost prohibitive compared to making food myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:36 AM
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Why are cooking measurements done by volume instead of weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:17 AM
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The same guys when a gay man finds them attractive quickly turn into the women they imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:37 AM
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We don't live in the wild so what's natural doesn't matter. Society has rules to follow, people can't do whatever they want and expect nothing to happen. I don't want to hear about someone else's (lack of) sex life in any setting, at no point is it appropriate for them to describe their habits to me. Does no one know social etiquette anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:29 AM
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That's what I'm talking about!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:28 AM
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I'm looking at all the possible undesirable outcomes, they're only looking at one. The goal should be a stable marriage, not "omg she might leave me if she makes money!"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:15 AM
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It's a bad argument because it assumes that all women are good people so you wouldn't need to leave them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:51 PM
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The only advice I've found that is somewhat universal is "having good income and a decent appearance", but even that is optional depending on the social/economic class you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:28 PM
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If you're raped, you'll still have the option of an abortion. As a man? You don't get a say. Not being able to find someone earlier in life is not equivalent to being forced to have children when you're old.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:17 PM
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There's bots that scan your message for comments to do that, if you block them that no longer happens. saferbot and safestbot are the 2 most common ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:11 PM
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These problems still exist in some countries, but they aren't ubiquitous like it used to be. Point is "appeal to tradition" is not a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:10 PM
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It's always a choice unless they were raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:03 PM
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This is a category error and very silly. These practices aren't as ubiquitous as sexual restrictions and they don't provide as much utility. The category is "things that used to be common in society a long time ago and aren't anymore", not an error. Why? Because it keeps society functional. It ensures that as many kids as possible have two parents, which is obviously beneficial for the well-being of the child. It's good for communities to have fathers actually be the ones providing for their chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:01 PM
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100/0 relationships are never happening for me, too much risk and it would drastically slow down retirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:39 AM
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Most men can't be passport bros even if they wanted to. Travel is expensive and most don't have the job to support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:32 AM
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I was raised on half of that a couple decades ago, but it wasn't a great time. Needless to say when I start my own family I will be aiming much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:30 AM
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This is a bad argument, I wouldn't be looking at the probability of divorce initiated by women, I would look at the probability of divorce happening at all whether initiating or receiving. The probability of divorce is inversely correlated to both income level and education.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:26 AM
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So did slavery and religious sacrifice, but that's frowned upon these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 06:18 AM
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Even being hot and rich won't save you from being abused or cheated on, all you can do is react to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:41 AM
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Average and below average guys can be terrible as well, not sure why so many guys are arguing otherwise, there is 0 correlation between looks and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:35 AM
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OLD should be a last resort rather than the only option, it's better to be familar and not competing with 1000s of other people who will be more attractive and make more money than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:10 PM
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Some people can't afford to move, don't want to go to an unfamiliar culture, or have local family and friends that they don't want to leave. Most people are going to have to find something locally through social circles or other traditional ways, border hopping won't be an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:28 AM
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Why is there so much tomboy hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:11 PM
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It’s rare. Not typical not average..whatever you want to say it’s not the norm. 15-45% depending on your definition isn't "rare", that's not true either. No they wouldn’t. Yes they would, this is a lie if you think 2 income households wouldn't be put into immediate hardship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 05:16 PM
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That's how it should work, but people are so afraid of being alone they're willing to twist themselves into a pretzel trying to find people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:33 PM
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The goal posts have changed from "it never happens" to "no one would notice if they were gone" which also isn't true. Many would notice if 30-70% of the household income went missing even if you didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:30 PM
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I was considering breadwinners only, but it's good to point out many couples make similar amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:01 PM
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Telling people they don't exist isn't very nice, does 15% of the population not matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:53 PM
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By "general" they mean appealing to the maximum number of women regardless of their own characteristics or feelings, it's not a healthy way to live. To make it worse they tell people with varied tastes that they must be wrong because "statistics." There will always be people who will reject you no matter what, the goal should be to find 1 who doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:45 PM
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No, don't bring out the gun unless they start swinging, obviously it would be stupid to get into a fight with someone bigger than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:30 AM
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If you pull your gun when it's inappropriate it's a felony and possibly attempted murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:29 AM
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No, you only pull the gun if you are cornered and they've started swinging, otherwise it's a great way to catch charges. De-escalation followed by leaving the situation should be the first steps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 03:23 AM
3

This is why you never go 100/0, if they aren't putting any effort in then there's no commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:59 AM
2

Most people would be in 2, not repulsive enough for an instant no, but still needs to do something besides stand there and look pretty. But that 2 can easily turn into 1 with bad social skills or offputting behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:54 AM
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It's not even about that in many cases, I've seen some admit that they have interest locally, but the women weren't hot enough so they go overseas anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:41 PM
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Trump could lose 90% of his wealth and nothing would really change for them, can't say the same about most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:35 PM
1

Box?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:23 PM
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Thinking of anyone here as average is sampling bias, most of the time they end up here because they aren't successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:57 PM
0

Accepting that is a choice, not an obligation, there's no reason to be with someone you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:51 PM
9

Hang out on certain subreddits like shortguys and it's probably 80-90%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 09:41 PM
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Why I don't hang around these spaces for too long, I can sense it rubbing off on me and I have to remember that real life is not what is portrayed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:34 PM
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Agreed, I find it funny when people claim to have low/no standards, then I present them with someone and all of a sudden they change their mind. Then it becomes "looksmatch" where they determine it by if they think they are pretty enough compared to them which is completely subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:28 PM
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Yes, especially the PPB who complain about not finding enough attractive women domestically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:22 PM
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Some are ok, but I lose empathy for the ones that start with the insults and generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:13 PM
5

That's definitely the money speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:41 PM
7

Or don't marry someone who is broke and sue them for the cost of the car.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:50 AM
2

Even as a skit it's a shit thing to do, behavior like that should not be broadcasted along with all the other harmful "pranks."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 03:48 AM
1

And some men are born into a 7-8 figure trust fund and will never need a job, life isn't fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:22 AM
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Who said they're shut-ins, all I said is that they regularly play games, not that they never go out or do other social activities. What I'm aiming at is the "plays video games = bad person no matter what", that's it. Trying to extrapolate an entire routine and personality from only appearance and 1 activity is a bad idea, people are not 1 dimensional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:19 AM
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You are way out of date, most people don't visit GameStop anymore, it's mostly online shopping or department stores for physical stores. That being said it's not nice to stereotype someone that you haven't seen before, plenty of people do play games regularly and aren't overweight with bad hygiene, are they bad options too?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:13 AM
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Most of those marriages came about because of need and social conditioning, not desire. There was no shortage of crappy or abusive marriages even back then, the difference is that now it's optional and many people will look at those arrangements and opt out if they don't like their current options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 12:58 AM
2

Might have to look in a different city then, suburbia is terrible for finding people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 11:14 PM
3

Would male prostitution then be on the proverbial table for us women? So we can have sex and not worry about being used? This already exists via apps or social media, the difference is that most men will give it up for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:59 PM
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Idk where you are, but there's no shortage of guys in the spaces where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:54 PM
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That's a sign for you to reject them and move onto someone that isn't so warped. Men have had decades of being told "do XYZ or you're not a real man."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 10:50 PM
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No, alphafux can be unemployed trailer trash and he'll still get sex from women who will eventually go on to marry the betabux that are in their socioeconomic class. There are people that can do that, but it's rare and not representative of the average experience for guys. Most people need something going for them other than "looks good in photos" and they aren't playing second fiddle to a broke+hot guy. Can thank dating apps for that one (although income is important there too) It's a timing an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:55 AM
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"Fun" doesn't necessarily mean n-count/hoe phase. Even relationships aren't taken super seriously by people in their late teens/early-20s. I know because I later found out I was in the minority of people who did take the relationship I had during those years seriously. Relationships weren't taken as seriously, but they were still a learning experience and women aren't sleeping with a different guy every week. Many often fail, even in high school, should anyone who isn't taking someone's virginit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:46 AM
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They don't want money, they want big money. And that requires a lot of hard work, even the thought of which is abhorrent to a girly girl princess. Most men won't need to worry about that, less than 5% of young people make over $100k. A lot of them whould rather be broke and single than ever get a 50/50 with a man. I have never seen this ever, sure women reject guys who don't make enough, but no one in today's economy is rejecting jobs in hope of finding a rich guy. 50/50 is more common, but ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:36 AM
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That's my thought, it only really "applies" to the upper class and the PMC to a lesser extent, no woman is chasing down average guys for their $40k income instead of just getting a job themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:07 AM
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I understand that, but that's also a sign of class. The vast majority of people are in the low single digits with a handful causing big numbers that influencers will paint as real. It's also probably not the same group of women, if you haven't asked them out with an explicit rejection afterwards, they probably don't even know you exist. The idea of rejecting women who supposedly didn't see you before sounds like a revenge fantasy tbh. There's 8 billion people, but the average person only directl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:04 AM
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Is "betabux" just a class check in disguise? Lots of people seem mad that they only got interest once their social/economic class improved and not while they worked part time in retail.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:29 AM
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I know someone who's on marriage number 4, but at least she got a house out of number 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 12:06 AM
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Applying negative things said by a few people to most/all of a particular group is the root of idpol, most commonly racism/sexism and solves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:04 PM
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Or because they're getting free/cheap drugs in a culture that glorifies that behavior. At least that's what I got from listening around, I don't get where the idea that criminals somehow have model tier looks compared to normal guys comes from, rather it's having a social circle that isn't familiar to most of Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:53 PM
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Except they aren't, most felons are quite ugly but they have the advantage of taking more risky behaviors and socialization compared to doomscrollers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:57 PM
1

And this is why you don't always take the first person that says yes no matter what, this is what standards are supposed to help with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:55 PM
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I see this all the time, where somehow women only want the top 1% but will also willingly sleep with broke criminals at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:51 PM
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More terminally online slop and someone saying it is someone I should probably ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:43 PM
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Having money is related to class, it changes how people see you and your potential dating pools even if you don't directly spend money on someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:09 PM
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Go back far enough and the apps themselves acted as a form of selection when they were only used by a few people before Match bought up all of them and turned them into the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:04 PM
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Why stop at 18? People used to argue in favor of child marriage because it was seen as normal and accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 03:00 PM
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Hot guys looking for an LTR aren't going to be on the apps long, they get picked up quickly and move on. The ones looking to sleep with a bunch of women or with bad traits are the ones that stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 02:59 PM
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No, most people aren't that obsessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:36 PM
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Even if Census is what the actual statistics is, the amount of single men under 30 is huge. It still debunks the 60:30 stat that's always thrown around. If more women are also single it does not matter, they can pick up a phone and secure a date by the end of the week, they just don't want to. If women don't want to bother with dating, then what are you supposed to do? Every women that opts out of dating has a man on the other end that will never find anyone. People know that being fat is unheal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:34 PM
8

That is the single greatest takedown of that survey I've ever seen, I will save this for every time someone brings it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:20 PM
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While it's true in general, how does it explain everyday people? Where it loses me when it contradicts my IRL experience and terrible solutions. It's mathematically impossible for them all to be extremely attractive, rich, or tall, yet most people are/have been together at some point. Or someone doesn't have typical preferences and they get called not feminine/masculine enough for daring to not be a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:04 PM
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Poor human trafficker, won't anyone feel bad for him :( ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:57 PM
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You can disagree with someone without pointing out you own (lack of) success, this is why statistics exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:55 PM
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Maybe they didn't want to lose friends or think they might still have a chance with those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:54 PM
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IRL groups have the advantage of familiarity and some vetting. a person on an app is always a complete stranger. There are good men/women on apps, but you have to filter through all the bad ones which burns people out because dating was never intended to be this way. In fact dating apps themselves used to be a form of self selection before they were all bought out by 1 company and turned into the same model of squeezing men for all of their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:49 PM
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And despite what people say here, ugly people aren't exactly keen on fucking eachother. Your premise is wrong if you overlap the fertility rate map of the US with the obesity rate map, in fact it's positively correlated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:20 PM
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Ah, glorified prostitution, not surprising given the background.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:32 AM
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Every time someone occupies a job, that job is no longer available for other workers, period. Other people not having a job isn't my problem. They can apply for a different one or secure skills to get better access, I'm not obligated to give up my job just because someone needs one. If people need health benefits then they should vote for someone who passes universal healthcare so they don't need a great job to get decent healthcare, still not my problem. Workers shouldn’t be secure enough to of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:27 PM
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Even if they are a good person, what happens if they get hit by a car and they don't have life insurance? It's the same outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:12 PM
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It's a computerized game, where the prize is sexual access to a stranger. The only people who play, are those who cannot get their needs met in other traditional ways. It's kind of like gambling, but instead of spending just money; men spend their self worth and women spend their safety. Like all gambling, the house wins by tricking you to play longer. This is why current profit driven apps can never be a solution long term, they are incentivized to maximize profits by stringing men along and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:08 PM
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Agree, social skills and friends are a requirement if you aren't attractive enough to pull with looks alone which is the vast majority of people. It's also a form of built in matchmaker that can hook you up with people that might not be meetable other ways such as apps. Unfortunately technology and social media seem to be a poor replacement and convinced everyone that they need to be impossibly perfect to attract anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:49 PM
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Too bad they aren't on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:39 PM
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Almost like there's men that want relationships over easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:34 PM
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Exceptions do not disprove the general rule. It only helps if a majority of women don't care about money/status but that's obviously not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 05:14 PM
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Men don't get rewarded the same for looking good as women Wrong, better looking people do better in job interviews and are more likely to get promotions. It's also important to have a nice presentation for customers so people don't think you look like a bum. Most guys around these parts dress terribly or are overweight so it's not hard tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:58 PM
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The middle ground is a good 80% of the population, the vast majority of people can't even afford to spend that much on a woman yet still have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:45 PM
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At least games have a win condition if you study mechanics and follow a series of steps, there is no such thing for a relationship bar mail order brides.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:42 PM
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Cults, avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 05:21 AM
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Twice, if there was more than that I didn't notice, and they were both from people who looked extremely unattractive so it didn't go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 04:49 AM
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So? THe fandom of any boy band is, itself, only a small percentage of the population. But because the population is enormous, it translates to millions of adoring women. What point are you debating here? My point is the McDonald's cashier is not going to have anywhere near the same reach as musicians even if they're hot, it's the status at play here. Their pool is going to be smaller and the number of percentage of people who are interested will be smaller still. Most people date within their so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:21 PM
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That's because it doesn't usually happen despite what guys here say. Women are not itching to date bums even if they are hot because they have the option of dating someone who isn't broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:03 PM
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Good thing this isn't in the US, I know some insurance companies and hospitals would be itching to jack rates for "risky" people. This WILL be abused, the only question is when?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 09:00 PM
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Does paying for onlyfans count as cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:56 PM
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Most people understand that consent doesn't have to involved notarized documents and recordings, but also understand that "no means no." There's many unwritten rules that have to be followed and people without social skills struggle with it. Constantly asking for consent can be off putting to some and can even result in the opposite effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:54 PM
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And I've seen the opposite, guys getting dumped because they don't have a car, can't make rent, etc. There's a LOT more poor people than there are millionaires, it's possible to get big numbers when a quarter of the population can't make $30k. Being hot and broke mainly attracts other people from the same class where money and class matters less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:49 PM
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Of course not, virtue signaling is 100x easier than picking up the phone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:03 PM
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Of course not, I only take credit for the good things I didn't do and ignore all the bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:00 PM
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Agreed. I should've prefaced by saying it depends on class/culture. Can't date an upper middle class white woman if you're a broke black guy.....usually. It determines what your dating pool is, people are more likely to date someone who's familiar to them vs someone from a different culture even if they have a looks/money advantage. And if they weren't, then they were probably banging single mothers and/or fat women. I've seen it too many times. Yep, the whole place was a mess, but that's the ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 09:44 PM
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What do you mean they aren't impressed by my $1k/month car payment?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:30 PM
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Yes and it sounds like you rejected them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:30 PM
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They look photoshopped in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:29 PM
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