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This is implying that men are killing themselves because they just "haven't thought things out enough". This is wrong and diminutive. Homophobia has nothing to do with this issue, and there's nothing homophobic about men not wanting to cross certain boundaries with other men. Men already talk to each other and mentor each other plenty. Just because women have to social freedom to exploit men however they want, whenever they want, and the freedom to be whoever they want with other women without j…
/r/MensRights29/07/26 02:26 PM
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I don't agree with all of them. I still remember watching the dadvocate and Roma specifically saying some pretty misandric things too. I also think a lot of their content is more about capitalizing on men's right than serving men's rights but but, on the other hand, they are still often a decent representation of men's rights activism on instagram/tiktok. The reality is that genuine content for men's rights activism is actually quite scarce on social media sites like instagram and tiktok. These …
/r/MensRights29/07/26 02:20 PM
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Women's unhealthy and sexist expectations towards men limit their choices. Their options are not actually any more limited, their capacity to accept/love men is more limited.
/r/MensRights29/07/26 04:09 AM
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That's like asking if drinking poison can save you from dying of old age. Sure, these are mostly conflicting beliefs but that doesn't mean anyone should use it as a good alternative. It's effectively trading one delusion for another. Unless you're both a buffet feminist and a buffet Christian, in which case you could probably find a way to make the mental gymnastic work for both. A lot of modern religious women do this.
/r/MensRights28/07/26 07:29 PM
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It has nothing to do with "community". Men won't get better just because they talk to other men about their problems, as they continue to suffer from those problems with no real end in sight. The only real solution would be to actually address a lot of the societal issues affecting men. Hypergamy, gendered expectation, acceptance for men, ending misandry, ending discrimination against men, ending male disposability, treating men like they have just as much worth/value as women do. If you want to…
/r/MensRights28/07/26 04:21 AM
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This is only surprising to people who only see the world through the lens that feminism defined for them.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/07/26 02:10 PM
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crazy thing is that this barely even skims the list of female privileges. The actual list is so much bigger, and so many other privileges that aren't on here are even more substantial.
/r/MensRights27/07/26 02:08 PM
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feminists did not fight to make rape gender neutral, so not sure why this would be attributed to feminists. Feminists are also still very vocal about treating consent from men vs women different, treating violence against men vs women differently and treating sex with men vs women differently. They also ignore most of the social factors that disadvantage men when it comes to sex and sexual pursuit. "Bringing attention to psychological harm of patriarchy" is a very backhanded claim. Not just beca…
/r/MensRights26/07/26 02:59 AM
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Society is anti-male, therefore most of the content that will be found online will be anti-male, therefore the AI will be anti-male.
/r/MensRights26/07/26 02:52 AM
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It's ironic and very telling that they would include "I can't find a partner because I'm looking for a mother to have sex with". Because when women say things like this, what they usually mean is that they do not want to deal with any kind of position of authority over men. They do not want to deal with vulnerability or inability in men, at all. They want men to be more capable and competent than them in most/all things, so that those men can effectively act like their fathers. What women mean w…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/26 03:24 PM
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This isn't really sexism from google but, rather, sexism and double-standards from society as a whole being reflected into the AI training models.
/r/MensRights25/07/26 03:18 PM
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Of course feminist would present this as misogyny, because that is the only way they can see the world. They perceive the world through a feminist lens, where no misandry exists. They would also say that hating masculine men is misogyny as well. But, hating feminine men is absolutely misandry. It is hating on men on an arbitrary standard. Heterosexual women also hate feminine men most of all, but society doesn't really hold women accountable for their misandry, so it will never really change. Fe…
/r/MensRights25/07/26 06:12 AM
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I think this is moreso because castration, emasculation and humor like this would have been common in medieval times as well, and the fact that they are accepted in the media today. It would be possible to treat these things more sensibly, the way the show runners treat rape as a subject, but they don't care enough to address it that way. I think, if anything, this just shows that they would have been a great deal of misandry in medieval times(which are mostly ignored, because people don't recog…
/r/MensRights23/07/26 11:20 PM
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Keep in mind that most women see heterosexual sex as an act of performance that men must do for them, and that it's effectively men's entire purpose or job to get them to climax. There is generally no such burden of expectation place on women by men. Men often just expect women to show up and be present, and plenty of women will make men feel like they're asking for too much for even expecting that. But, this is why you will constantly see women refuse or belittle men for lacking experience, or …
/r/MensRights23/07/26 05:34 PM
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This is so sad and disturbing. The notion that men are worthy of the same protection and consideration as women, under law, shouldn't be such a radical concept.
/r/MensRights23/07/26 03:02 PM
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The only "patriarchy" that exists is effectively just a result of women self infantilizing and having these expectations of men to act as their fathers or be deemed undateable. It is women having this collective expectation that women should baby them like fathers, should support them financially like fathers, should protect them like their fathers, should always put women's whims and expectations first like their fathers, should be taller/stronger like their fathers, and should just ignore all …
/r/MensRights23/07/26 02:58 PM
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Both side just automatically assume that men are the problem. Both sides are completely unwilling to address any aspect of toxic femininity, especially as it relates to how women treat men in any kind of romantic setting and dating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 02:52 PM
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This is why feminism being viewed as an egalitarian movement is so dangerous. It teaches people to frame every issue as "women are oppressed" first, to the point where they still can't even recognize basic misandry despite how incredibly widespread and immense of a problem it is. It's like trying to balance the scales when you have your foot on one end. It doesn't work.
/r/MensRights23/07/26 02:51 PM
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Indifference towards men definitely exist but hatred towards men also most certainly exists. Also, women are rarely ever killed just because they are women. It happens but it's rare. Feminist ideology just seems intent on presenting any murder against a woman as motivated by a hatred of women. Men are often killed as a result of indifference, or a lack of recognition for a man's life, but plenty of men are also killed just because they are men.
/r/MensRights22/07/26 04:23 PM
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Worse part is that this is effectively women creating a hostile work environment, but it rarely gets called out or acted on. Especially if the target is a man.
/r/MensRights22/07/26 04:17 PM
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There are so many more aspects of femininity which are actually unhealthy, or "toxic", which are just accepted because it's coming from women and society doesn't actually want to hold women accountable for their toxic beliefs. It's an infinitely greater problem than "toxic masculinity" actually is.
/r/MensRights21/07/26 08:27 PM
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I think one of the biggest point that people miss when it comes to this is that, besides the fact that men are protecting women from all kinds of dangers(whether from nature or other women) and the fact that men are protecting women from all of these dangers for free and at their own expense virtually unconditionally, men are also typically causing harm as a result of taking on the majority of life's burden and difficulties. The reality is that because men take on the brunt of life's harsher ele…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 07:59 PM
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I think you missed the point i was making, in that even if you were going to use "Christian ethics"(which is an oxymoron but that's a separate argument), you would still effectively be "condoning" prostitution by legalizing it for women selling it. Either you are against it entirely, and both men and women engaged in prostitution are criminalized, or you accept that it can serve a purpose, and you decriminalize it in a mindful and sensible manner. The Nordic model is neither.
/r/MensRights20/07/26 06:51 PM
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It's an ironic argument often coming from the people who would never accept the fact that most misogyny could also be described as a response to all of the oppression and misandry that men face(far more accurately, might I add).
/r/MensRights20/07/26 03:45 AM
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The religious argument doesn't make sense. Even if you ignore the fact that approaching this issue from a religious perspective immediately takes away any kind of logic or fairness from the equation, you are still effectively saying that full criminalization is the only acceptable solution. Only criminalizing men, and decriminalizing women, is effectively condoning the act but only when women are in a position to abuse it against men. You could also decriminalize it and consider it immoral, so e…
/r/MensRights18/07/26 07:51 AM
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A lot of what the red pill attributes to biology are just cultural biases. It's not that women naturally want to stay home, it's that self-infantilization and weaponized incompetence has been accepted in women. That's not biology, that's just social enabling. Women have also often done a lot of work but it's also not "men" who are disputing that fact either. It's usually women who downplay these realities so that they can justify this idea that they should be treated like children, and that men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 07:45 AM
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I can't believe this man is actually making a living as an "incel expert", while still knowing less about incels than your average incel.
/r/MensRights17/07/26 03:49 PM
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What's troubling about this proposal is more so it's implication, in my opinion. I am not actually against TRT, and it's something I will probably look into when I get into my 50's and up, but the way this is being presented seems more like an attack on men than anything. It's presented as this "men today are pussy's, they just need more testosterone to be real men™", which again just goes back to this conservative antiquated and contrived view of what men or masculinity is. It also seeks to bla…
/r/MensRights17/07/26 03:47 PM
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I don't think it's evolutionary at all, that is a misconception that is largely pushed by a social/cultural bias. There are, actually, far more evolutionary benefits to being short. Shorter people consume fewer resources, have better circulation, have fewer joint problems, can fit into smaller spaces, have lower risks of cancer and lower risk of injuries. All around, shorter people tend to live longer and better lives. It's not a coincidence that most of the places with the highest populations i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 03:36 PM
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The nordic model is about decriminalizing women and criminalizing men, explicitly. Men are still the primary purchasers of sex, which also goes back to gender roles and one-sided social dynamics in dating that are also present in Sweden. Women are still the primary sellers, because they still have an easier access to sex than men. This model is absolutely rooted in sexism though. Not just because it's specifically intentioned to target men, and criminalize men for something that shouldn't even b…
/r/MensRights17/07/26 03:20 PM
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Women will call men a "man child" for effectively the same behaviors that are socially accepted from women. It's just another term to shame men into behaving the way women want them to behave.
/r/MensRights17/07/26 03:08 PM
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It's something but I also absolutely hate this feminist idea that sexism against men is somehow secondary or a novelty. Sexism against men has always existed, as strongly as it existed against women, it was simply never recognized as a problem. It was just accepted and normalized. It is, in fact, that very disregard for sexism against men, and male complacency to women, that allowed feminism to grow to such heights as a hate movement against men.
/r/MensRights16/07/26 02:14 PM
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A lack of resentment doesn't mean respect though. These are two different things. Men who get what they want may not have any reasons to resent the way they are treated by women but that doesn't mean that they respect women. Most attractive men tend to have little respect for women, if not for the fact that they can get what they want from them easily, but also tend to take women for granted, because they view them as easily replaceable.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/26 01:31 PM
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This is delusional gaslighting. It's clear that attractive men tend to respect women less, if not simply for the fact that they have built an entire skillset around getting what they want from women. Or, you can just listen to the way they talk about women. Most guys understand this, because they don't have the bias that women have about looks or what an attractive man should be like. They want to paint the unattractive men as villains, because it validates their poor choices. It enables and val…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/26 01:28 PM
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Right, this has always been the fallacy of the "manosphere". Men don't really care that much about what other men think of them, and most of the criticism that men give other men actually comes from women. It's men reminding other men that women are judging them, and if they don't change then women will keep hurting them. The "manosphere" is effectively men echoing the judgment and one-sided expectations that women have for men, and women will actively vilify men for it while changing nothing ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 01:22 PM
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Incels are hated because misandry is normalized and a baseline part of culture. Yes, incels do reveal uncomfortable truths about the way treat men, but that turns into hatred because society doesn't care to give men the same protection and consideration it presents to women, and because it will enable hateful women to vilify those men as a defense mechanism against criticism. The hate exists because men themselves are hated, and men are hated because no one holds women accountable for their prej…
/r/MensRights16/07/26 01:17 PM
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I've recently learned that the Netherlands treats sex as a basic human right, and that sex work can be subsidized for disabled men. To me that speaks volumes about how men and male sexuality are viewed and regarded. Seems like they are doing something right.
/r/MensRights15/07/26 02:39 PM
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How is this any different from any other right-wing conservative rhetoric? Feminism has fucked up society but not because it challenged the idea of gender roles(in it's own biased/one-sided way). Trying to go back to arbitrary limiting structures, often based on religious dogma, is a regressive mindset. It's not pro-men and it's not pro-equality. Men can be nurturing. Women can be horrible nurturers. The idea that women are nurturers is both a product of conditioning and bias, with women being r…
/r/MensRights15/07/26 02:34 PM
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the femosphere isn't a dark corner of the internet, it's literally most of social media(X, instagram, tiktok, reddit, etc) and popular media(music, movies, shows, etc). Misandry is the norm, not the exception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/26 09:11 PM
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I have met Swedish men, and they have all told me it's pretty grim there too. There are still just as many one-sided expectations on men there as there is anywhere else. Using feminism's definition of equality and calling yourself a fair country for men are not the same at all. Just look at the Nordic model, which based on the Swedish model. It is absolutely rooted in anti-male sentiment.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 09:10 PM
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One-sided expectations towards men still exist in iceland as well.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 09:06 PM
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The feminist countries are not fair to men at all. It might seem that way on paper, and feminism being prevalent in those countries can definitely skew what is presented on paper, but it is usually very far from fair for men on a societal/cultural level there as well. Do not confuse feminism's lack of acknowledgement of men's issues as their non-existence.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 09:04 PM
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It's not so much of a gender war, it's just a war against men and men enduring that until they break.
/r/MensRights14/07/26 09:00 PM
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Do women really not understand how the way they treat men, and all of the one sided expectations that they place onto men, actually have very negative effects on their mental health, on a systematic level, and in how they ultimately handle rejection? How about they start by addressing the misandry that created the suicide gap in the first place? The fact that women can look at a man suffering and dying, and their first response is "how can I make this about me and get sympathy?" really demonstra…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/26 08:58 PM
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Women have more power over who they date, have more support to get out of relationships on their terms, have more short term options when they exit the relationship and generally just control relationships. There's a reason why most of the economy, or capitalism as a whole, is mostly centered around women. Men buy things for women, or to impress women, and women buy thing for themselves. That's power. If you hire a manager to manage your store, and not only can you replace him whenever he doesn'…
/r/MensRights13/07/26 02:50 AM
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Whether you're a dude or not is not really relevant. You are still choosing to create a strawman about men, making the assertion that they are entitled or not actually nice when that is not only rarely the case but often a projection by women made to justify treating those men poorly in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/26 02:38 AM
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It's weird how women have normalized their infantilization so hard that they still expect to be treated like children that they not only associate being an adult with being a man but will throw tantrums when they are treated like equals.
/r/MensRights13/07/26 02:37 AM
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The idea that "nice guys" should be hated reeks of misandric projection. I don't share such beliefs. You don't actually know that the niceness isn't genuine, you just choose to make that assertion because it makes it easier to vilify and dismiss them. It's a strawman that women often use to justify their lack of empathy for men or their poor choices in men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 09:03 PM
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Do you realize that your entire concept of "nice guy" might actually be rooted in misandry and completely off-base, and that this inherent bias that you have towards the term might also be completely irrational and unfounded? At best, you're trying to create an adhominem. At worse, you're demonstrating that you are unable to recognize a systematic problem that is negatively affecting countless men, and eager to dismiss their experiences just because they are men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 08:59 PM
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This definition is an inherent contradiction though. The "rule of the father" is an illusion, because fathers do not actually "rule", they are simply the ones who provide and protect. People are confusing "ruling" with this expectation of leadership that is imposed on men, and which is entirely imposed on men by women. Women still, for the most part, rule the household. Not just in the sense that most household spending is controlled by women or the fact that most men follow this idea of "happy …
/r/MensRights09/07/26 08:57 PM
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That's literally all of the internet, and most of real life too. Everything you're describing is just every day gossip among women. Female chauvinism is widespread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 04:04 PM
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Women trying to attack male preferences like this isn't really that uncommon and it is very misandric. There's nothing pedophilic about preferring women with less body hair, for example, but women trying to attack or shame men for this preference will create this narrative out of insecurity and to protect their own egos. You'll notice women generally wouldn't call men pedophiles for preferring women who are shorter than them or who make less money than them, even when it's clear that women who p…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/26 01:26 PM
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It's threefold but it's basically just sexism. One, male sexuality is often ridiculed and belittled. Two, society/women expect men to do everything in dating, and masturbation cuts into this. Three, men are typically objectified as success objects, and masturbation is seen as a lack of success. Male sexuality often being ridiculed or shamed is something that is still very normalized. A lot of it is misandry but a lot of it is also just female chauvinism and protecting women's egos by putting dow…
/r/MensRights07/07/26 01:22 PM
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1) it's sexist. Even if this was true, it still doesn't mean that most men commit crime. 2) It's dishonest, because it's not actually taking into consideration all the violent crimes that are committed by women and downplayed, dismissed or unreported. It also doesn't take into consideration violence committed by women via proxy(men). 3) It's ignorant because even if this number was true, you would still have to recognize all the socio-economic factors that lead to this disparity as well. Like th…
/r/MensRights06/07/26 04:16 AM
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I don't think women even realize how much privilege they hold, and how much that plays into their ability to protest. For starters, men are far more vulnerable to reactionary violence when they protest. A protest full of women will not be met with the same kind of violence and physical force that a protest full of men would be. Law enforcement would be far more likely to resort to violence against men protesting, and far more likely to use more extreme forms of violence(including public executio…
/r/MensRights01/07/26 07:04 PM
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I would consider this a men's rights issue, simply in the sense that the reaction and disposition towards male fans is generally androphobic and misandric. For example, I have seen female streamers be approached by a man, and immediately he is labelled as creepy and dangerous, even if he isn't or hasn't done anything threatening. They will treat this man's presence in the room as being traumatic, and other people(men or women) would rush him to "rescue" a woman from this. On the other hand, when…
/r/MensRights30/06/26 10:37 PM
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They are going to focus on that because they can use that to perpetuate androphobic and misandric rhetoric. It's kind of sad but they will absolutely cherry pick any cases they want to promote feminist platforms. They could look into the inequalities that negatively impact men in such devastating ways, and leads to extremists like these, but they won't, because society does not care about protecting men, especially when gynocentric/feminist platforms have so much power to dictate the narrative.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 10:21 PM
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This is not new or unique. These types of things happen all the time, and they happen everywhere and through most of human history. The ideas "it's always a man", "Misandry doesn't kill" or "Women can't hurt men" have always been wrong, and inherently dismissive of crimes committed by women and against men. It's just misandry. You'll notice too that this would never be considered androcide, the way a husband killing his wife would be considered 'femicide', because there is no system wide pressur…
/r/MensRights30/06/26 10:11 PM
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Exactly. MRA's are not anti-women. They are anti-misandry, anti-androphobia, and anti-discrimination against men. Feminism is just outright anti-men.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 09:07 PM
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This is a pretty stupid argument, because all it really indicates is that there's both a desire for male attention and a resentment for male hetero sexual expression. Women don't generally dress sexy just for each other. When they do dress sexy, and go out as a group, it's generally so that they can feel better about themselves and gain male attention as a group. Even when there are no men around, they will often post about it in order to get that attention after the fact or project value as eac…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/06/26 07:26 PM
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Heightism is a systematic and cultural problem. It is widespread and clearly affecting a lot of men negatively. The only reason why it isn't taken more seriously, is because it affects men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 07:10 PM
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It's a weird tactic. It's like they're simultaneously trying to shame men for the gender roles that are imposed on them, as if they were responsible for them, and then try to shame men for not dressing a certain way and basically perpetuating the same kind of sexist expectations that were already on men in the first place.
/r/MensRights30/06/26 07:09 PM
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That is one of the many problems with feminism masquerading as an equality movement. Everything gets put through this bias, and sexist lens, of feminism. Every inequality that men face today or have faced in the past is erased, to make way for this narrative that women are the universal victims of men. Anything that doesn't fit into this narrative is dismissed or twisted into something they can use. It's also obviously huge contradictions and invalidates their own arguments, because you could ju…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/26 02:27 PM
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Even ignoring the fact that violence from women is grossly under-reported and under-punished, and ignoring the fact that a lot of women use men to commit violence on their behalf, and ignoring that a lot of violence from women against men is downplayed and ignored, the reality is these are still many major socio-economic factors that also play into these numbers too. For starters, men are the majority victims of poverty, because society expects men to be breadwinners and enables hypergamy from w…
/r/MensRights26/06/26 02:48 AM
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Starving is an analogy. It could be breathing, it could be hydrating or it could be sleeping. Sex is a biological imperative. It's a fundamental human need. Saying that masturbation controls people is like saying that free food or free water is a form of control over people. Saying that porn which is basically free and readily available, and comes in every possible form(novels, books, movies, social media or online) controls people is like saying that free spices controls people. It's just puris…
/r/MensRights26/06/26 02:21 AM
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This is a common tactic you will see coming up again and again in feminism. Vilify men and create a strawman in order to justify prejudice against men and systematic inequality against men. You see it ideas/terms like patriarchy, incel, nice guy, etc. Even when it is clear that the problems predate the rationalizations, they will still insist that it's the other way around in order to justify the problem happening in the first place.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/26 05:18 PM
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Whether he cares about men or not, I don't really know. Maybe he thinks he does. It doesn't really matter. At best, he could just be regarded as an entertainer. Are his takes unrealistic and short-sighted? Of course. That doesn't mean that he is making people adopt the redpill, and it doesn't mean that he represents the men's rights movement just because he's popular.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 05:14 PM
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Porn and sex addiction are two very different things, and what you're describing isn't so much an issue with porn but an issue with masturbation. You effectively want men to be sexually frustrated, so that they are more frustrated and therefore more likely to act in a certain way. It's like telling people they should starve themselves, so that they will be hungrier, and therefore more likely to go do additional labor for less. It's non-sense.
/r/MensRights24/06/26 05:10 PM
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This doesn't really make much sense. Being against hypergamy but going after a pornhub ceo is a bit of a contradiction in my opinion. Pornhub may make money as a result of hypergamy, because hypergamy does create a lot of lonely men who consume porn as a result of not having access to human connection, but they are not creating or causing hypergamy. They are, if anything, giving men a free alternative outlet for their frustration. Maybe this guy wants to have more men miserable and sexually frus…
/r/MensRights23/06/26 08:39 PM
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Andrew Tate is just a dude expressing his views on the internet. He's popular because he's basically making statements about subjects that most men could already relate to. He's hardly a men's rights activist but I wouldn't say he's just selling victimhood narratives either. He's making money from a world that hates men but that is not narrative he is creating. It already exists. Men don't adopt red pill beliefs as a result of his content but, rather, gravitate to his content because their exper…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 07:18 PM
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The belief that female on male violence isn't systematic is mostly a result of circular reasoning. People downplay violence against men, therefore it doesn't get reported or acted on. The lack of action then gets interpreted as a lack of existence, and therefore something that should be dismissed when it happens. And, on the other end of that spectrum, you have a political party that wants to treat any and all violence on women as systematic or widespread. They treat all violence against women a…
/r/MensRights22/06/26 02:59 PM
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I've read every popular take from women/feminists about this movie, and they were literally all negative projections about his character. Every decision he made was depicted in the worse way possible, every hesitation or insecurity was depicted in the worse way possible, and every move that wasn't the perfect hero response, with the perfect the solution to every problem. was met with absolute disdain. Even ignoring all the women who were ready to hate Bear from the start, most women did not actu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 04:47 AM
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Right, they will just make the assumption or projection that they are abusers, when everything about their character shows that they aren't, in order to justify not choosing them in the first place. What's even more disturbing is that women will often choose neglect or reject those men specifically because they lack the qualities of an abuser, as they themselves romanticize the qualities of an abuser or structure their entire dating strategy in such a way that only abusers could succeed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 04:33 AM
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This is pretty disturbing to me, because it's clear that this is effectively coming a place that describes all violence against women, or women being murdered, as gender-based crimes. This is wrong, and effectively demonstrating that a woman's life would effectively be held at a higher value than a man's, by law.
/r/MensRights21/06/26 04:30 AM
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That's just not true, and they would have looked for any excuse to paint him as the villain. He didn't really know or understand the situation, because how could her understand this weird messed up entity that the wish decided to create. To him, it was just a woman who appeared to be consenting but was also acting strangely. You could even argue that he feared for his life, and her life, in the end. The fact that women were so ready to just jump to the worse possible interpretation and projectio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 03:44 AM
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This is a pretty common sentiment. If something fails to happen between a man and a woman, the man is always blamed. The woman is never at fault for not initiating or not communicating. The idea that a man might not feel safe opening up or expressing his feelings because of the way women treat dating/relationships with men, is also never really considered or accepted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 03:39 AM
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The idea of a woman just falling for a meek/mid guy is so offensive and impossible to them that they just accept the premise that the only way it could happen is if she was enslaved by an all powerful supernatural force and is robbed of all free will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 05:22 PM
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The movie was not that bad. It was relatively entertaining but it also wasn't really that great either. It was filled with clichés, obvious plot holes and things that just don't make sense at all and were clearly just added for shock value. What is really disturbing though, is the level of misandry that has effectively attached itself onto this movie, and all of the misandric discourse that has surrounded it. So many sexist women are using this movie to project all their own insecurities and pre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 03:02 PM
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I've seen plenty of women in my life start fights with the knowledge and expectation that their boyfriends would be there to protect them or finish it for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 05:47 PM
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A big part of this problem is that many women are under this disillusion that women are inherently kinder, altruistic and fairer than men, when that just isn't the case. A big part of this is also because most women tend to be viewed with rose colored glasses(women are wonderful effect) and that women effectively live a privileged and sheltered lifestyle that is only really possible because men provide it for them. Not only do they neglect the fact that most of the men who commit horrible things…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 05:30 PM
1

Incel started off as a term just for men who were involuntarily celibate, or basically any man who isn't having sex but wants to. The term then just got co-opted as a slur by misandric women, and effectively used as a strawman to justify a lot of mistreatment from women towards men. You can see something similar with the term "nice guy", which is basically a slur against men in which women have projected all kinds of negative interpretations or narratives like "nice guys aren't nice", "kind and …
/r/MensRights16/06/26 02:32 PM
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Of course. A woman could walk into a men's locker room and the men there would be called insecure if they had a problem with it. A man walking into a women's locker room would be arrested and labelled a sexual predator. Society protects women's dignity far more strongly but a lot of this disparity is also heavily rooted in condescension towards men, and the male body(i.e. treating it as something benign or inherently repulsive to women), and heterophobia against men(i.e. fear and disdain towards…
/r/MensRights16/06/26 02:21 PM
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Wow. Imagine thinking men deserve the same kind of protection, consideration and fairness that are given to women. What a radical concept. Feminists are going to hate her. I just hope she's not just speaking from the typical "traditionalist" mindset of "men should just be Men™".
/r/MensRights16/06/26 02:14 PM
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I think a big part of the problem is also that the vast majority of women today are effectively buffet feminists. They pick and choose all the parts of feminism that caters to them, or their egos, but then neglect or oppose any aspects of feminism that is supposed to be about equality(even though it's clear that feminism was never about equality, there was always supposed to be a pretense that it was). If you look at, for example, something like affirmative consent. The feminist position has alw…
/r/MensRights14/06/26 05:39 PM
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Feminism, toxic femininity, androphobia, heterophobia against men and gender roles are all systemic issues that are primarily enforced and perpetuated by women. None of these are problem that are inherent to women being women, but they are still the product of women's choices and culture as a whole(women learning from other women).
/r/MensRights12/06/26 05:50 PM
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I hope the author isn't the comic in question, because that would just show that they're not actually interested in comedy but just pushing a hateful narrative. That was a genuinely funny comeback.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/06/26 04:16 PM
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Yes and no. I think it's only lost some traction in the sense that feminist ideas are effectively just become the norm, and just blindly accepted. The idea that we live in a patriarchy is just accepted, even by women who will in the same breath demand every gender role from men to be their fathers(they will just call it something like masculine energy or being a real man). The idea that women are oppressed by men is just accepted, even when women are privileged in every single aspect of society.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 02:21 PM
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This is another one of examples of misandry that you will find riddled across social media. It's similar to this response against "if men disappeared from the world, who would protect women?" of "protect from who". It's effectively trying to downplay the countless efforts and sacrifices that men are currently making to maintain a higher quality of life for women. The reality is that women, in virtually every society that exists today, are absolutely dependent on men doing most of the infrastruct…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 02:37 AM
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It's strange to me how this kind of inherent animosity towards the "male gaze" isn't just immediately recognized as heterophobia against men. Shaming or attacking men for their attraction to women is heterophobia.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/26 02:11 AM
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Why isn't misandry in every form of literature, real life, advertising, social media, politics, education, relationships and laws viewed as an issue? Because people do not see men as deserving of the same rights, consideration and protection as women. It's literally all the same reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 03:28 PM
3

Obsession isn't actually a misandrist movie in of itsef but there is a ton of misandry surrounding the movie from the audience. It is everywhere on social media. So many misandric women are projecting their own insane takes, theories and speculations against the movie in an incredibly obsessive way. Kind of ironic. I don't know if it's because many feel insecure about seeing themselves negatively portrayed in a female lead, and seeing something that so many women(especially bpd women) see as nor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 03:21 PM
1

To attack or resent someone's attempt, even when you are not attracted to them, is to deny them their right to be attracted to you. It is trying to shame or attack men for trying. It is saying "I am not comfortable with your sexuality", which is inherently what homophobia is. Straight men who aren't homophobic do not have vitriolic or violent responses to gay men coming on to them, because they still respect their right to be gay and pursue opportunities. The same principle applies to women when…
/r/MensRights10/06/26 03:08 PM
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Male bashing isn't anything new. Women have been bashing men for as long as there has been civilizations. Feminism just weaponized and streamlined the male bashing. It was always part of the cause at its core. It was never about equality, and it always relied on putting down men, and men's contributions to women/society, as a means of painting them as victims and manipulating men, for the purpose of advantaging women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 03:04 PM
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A few reasons. Heterophobia and androphobia is actually very common amongst women. It's the reason why women get offended when straight guys look at them, make advances or express interest in women. It's also why so many women actually handle unrequited attraction from men so poorly. Most do not even understand or empathize with the typical male position of having to approach women. Most women will also be on the defensive against straight men, because they can't even understand how a man might …
/r/MensRights10/06/26 02:24 AM
2

the men's rights movement is attached to any specific political party. Left-wing male advocates would just be men's rights advocates that are also left leaning. How is this even a question?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/26 02:09 AM
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I can make an educated guess about your experiences, based on your type of response and the fact that most women would similarly dismiss being cat called. It's not even uncommon to see women laugh off being grabbed by another woman and then claim they've never been touched inappropriately by other women. I didn't include the word because it was redundant. Your entire response semantics. An advance being overtly sexual or asexual doesn't really make any difference. A woman making an overtly sexua…
/r/MensRights10/06/26 02:07 AM
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The fact that this exists, and that there is no large scale study in regards to toxic femininity, kind of tells you everything you need to know about New Zealand social "sciences".
/r/EverydayMisandry09/06/26 04:41 PM
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Men internalize this because they are subjected to it their whole lives and it starts very early. This is especially true in cases of single mothers or boys who are surrounded by many girls in their early development. They see the misandry from the women in their lives, and they just accept it blindly because those are his peers and role models. It's not that dissimilar to cults and religion, with people being far more likely to adopt extreme ideas when they are surrounded by it from an early ag…
/r/MensRights09/06/26 04:35 PM
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Catcalling has be used to describe everything from a "hello" to "sexual remarks" so, at this point, the definition is pretty scattered. I'm assuming you even have your own. Either way, it's always presented as negative or offensive by women, but always because of the source. It is never really a problem with what is said but, rather, who said it. You have probably been catcalled by women before but, because it came from women, you likely never made note of it or registered it as catcalling/offen…
/r/MensRights09/06/26 04:31 PM
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Not only can women absolutely cause physical harm to men, and it happens all the time, but women also generally do go out of their way to purposefully choose bigger/stronger, and more aggressive, men as well. That is something that will artificially widen the divide. Women do commit plenty of violence, but a lot of it is just dismissed and ignored because of this false perception that women can't hurt men. This perception exists because crimes committed from women are treated as less serious and…
/r/MensRights08/06/26 07:50 PM
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It's not that hard to understand how the kind of vitriolic reaction your average woman might have to a man giving her attention is a learnt behavior and how it can be irrational. You know this because if another woman or a child catcalled you, you would laugh or take it in stride. Maybe even enjoy a compliment from it. You wouldn't have any kind of knee jerk reaction to be offended, or to take it as a threat. It is culture of misandry who taught you that you should respond with fear and anger to…
/r/MensRights08/06/26 07:41 PM
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Adoption for single men is not a very common thing, and it's also something that comes with a great deal of scrutiny. Men also don't have the option to seek out artificial inseminations, like a lot of single women would.
/r/MensRights08/06/26 03:17 AM
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Everything about this presentation of rape culture is wrong, and it is inherently designed to promote misandry. Besides the obvious "assume victim is female, and perp is male" stuff that you highlighted, you can also see that kind of intent in everything else. It starts with the assumption that "catcalling" is disrespect, when that is actually more so a projecting that is often made against catcalling. A woman catcalling another woman or a man wouldn't be perceived as being disrespectful, nor wo…
/r/MensRights08/06/26 03:15 AM
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These are reasons why men might not want to have children but that is not the reason why birthrate is declining. Female entitlement, systematic misandry and hypergamy is why birth rates decline. Women are still overwhelmingly in this mindset that men must be more successful, dominant and competent than them, all across the board. When you have men and women competing for the same jobs, and take into consideration that women are given a massive advantage of preferential treatment over men in educ…
/r/MensRights07/06/26 10:44 PM
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It's a fallacy to assume that the men at the top are just there to serve other men. For starters, this is a role that demands respect and charisma. These leaders get to those positions by competing against countless others for those positions, and they are ultimately assigned to those positions because people believe they will be best suited to serve those interests. It is a role of responsibility, which most women either do not compete for or want to compete for because they do not want to deal…
/r/MensRights07/06/26 10:34 PM
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That's fair but, at the end of the day, that is your choice. If your beliefs for gender equality cause you to stay single and childless for the rest of your life, there's a chance you accomplish some good but it will still be a hard and miserable experience. Your beliefs will also end with you, as you will not be able to pass them down to any children either, so those views will ultimately get culled from the culture over time. This is a personal choice that you can make but you can't necessaril…
/r/MensRights07/06/26 10:25 PM
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Men don't stand up for themselves because they are often vilified for doing so and the social cost can often be too great. Contrary to most feminists beliefs, men are not impervious to harm and men aren't in any kind of position of power. They are socially vulnerable, and just do not have the social privileges and advantages that women have. Women can afford to start fights and get political, because their value is always assumed and they will always be desired/accepted.
/r/MensRights07/06/26 04:05 AM
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Patriarchy wouldn't just be "the only system of oppression to backfire on the oppressor", it would be the only system oppression in which the oppressor is worst off in every single metric than the people they are oppressing. It would be the only system in which the oppressors is expected to chase, and get on their knees, to ask for the right to oppress the people they're oppressing. It would be the only system in which the oppressors need to work their lives away to support the people they're op…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/26 09:53 PM
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Yes. So many times I've seen women try to use this argument of "I carried YOUR baby for 9 months, so I get..." as a form of manipulation and entitlement. It's very disgusting to me, because having a baby is not something that women actually do for men. Women have babies because they want to have babies. To then turn around and try to use this as way to pressure, guilt or manipulate men is incredibly wrong and dishonest. This is also true of women who will use the "I carried YOU for 9 months, so …
/r/MensRights01/06/26 06:10 PM
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"Patriarchy harms men too" is just mental gymnastics from delusional feminists who can't cope with the fact that men are not actually responsible for everything that happens in any given culture or society, and that women have a great deal of power/agency in any given culture. What they define as "Patriarchy" is really just gender roles imposed on men and set by women. It is a product of women infantilizing themselves and expecting men to take on the risks and responsibilities that are inconveni…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 06:04 PM
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Remember that feminism was never about equality. Their perception of gender dynamics was always heavily skewed towards this idea that men are advantaged, or women are always victims and men are always the victimizers. They see everything that advantages women or disadvantages men as advancing towards equality, because that is what looks like equality for them. The goal is so far off the mark, and so distant from any kind of real equality, that they don't see the inequality they are creating. Tha…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 05:52 PM
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I would definitely call the way women fear or resent male heterosexuality 'heterophobia'. It's just so socially accepted that it's not recognized as such. I would even argue the way women treat male sexuality is more heterophobic than even the most knee jerk reaction from men approaching men is homophobic. Female only gyms, for examples, are products of systematically accepted heterophobia. They exist because of this idea that it's normal for women to hate, resent or be offended by men even so m…
/r/MensRights01/06/26 02:43 PM
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What's weird about this is that it's basically acknowledging that women can be, or very much are, heterophobic and will actively treat male attention the way a homophobic man would, and then either try to normalize it or pretend like this isn't a problem. What's even weirder is this idea that homophobia is about men fearing men treating them the way they treat women, which is is not only a projection or assumption that relies on heterophobia being the norm, but also very wrong. Most men who are …
/r/MensRights01/06/26 02:34 AM
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Most men don't really need much to be happy. They can get by on very little. Most consumerism is driven by women. Men buy things to impress/attract women, women buy things to show off to other women. When you tell men that they're not actually valued, neither as people or as providers, that takes a lot away from their motivation to work. So many men work because they believe that is required of them to be good partners and fathers. Very few women actually work to better partners. If anything, th…
/r/MensRights31/05/26 05:26 AM
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Not only is the shark analogy completely sexist, and using it to justify sexism don't actually make any sense, but they are also using a story that was proven to be misrepresentative. It was completely debunked. Men are not sharks or bears. They are not animals, which are incapable of basic communication and reasoning. Men are people. You may never really know a person's true nature or motivation, and the same can be said of women, but that doesn't justify treating them like they're animals. Eve…
/r/EverydayMisandry28/05/26 02:51 PM
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I do think dealing with periods is an objectively harder thing to deal with than simply not having them. Men do have to deal with their own biological realities too though, like consistently higher libidos, testicular pain/vulnerability/discomfort and just the maintenance of constant ejaculations. From a purely biological point of view, I think I would be okay with saying that it's harder to deal with ovaries than it is to deal with testicles but that's not really including all the detrimental e…
/r/MensRights27/05/26 04:06 PM
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Not only do women commit plenty of physical and sexual violence against men, which is then downplayed, dismissed and unreported, but violence against women from men is not "systematic" either. It would require systematic support in order to be systematic violence, and only violence against men from women is systematically supported or dismissed. Women also often commit all kinds of other different forms of violence against men. There's psychological violence, with manipulation, verbal abuse, soc…
/r/MensRights26/05/26 07:54 PM
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This is just the latest iteration of a very long trend of male sexual shaming, vilification and manipulation. If it's not shaming men for masturbation, it's shaming men for consuming porn, paying for sex, dating younger women or seeking connection in other cultures. Anything that falls outside the mainstream of traditional male gender roles, abstinence outside of sex for the purpose of pleasing women and male servitude in the service of women, is shamed. When women masturbate, look at porn, pay …
/r/MensRights26/05/26 04:08 PM
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And, believe it or not, this is actually only really the tip of the iceberg. It's so much deeper and bigger than this. Like, even just the fact that men are expected to pursue women and pay for women's attention/time, and how that has so many other cascading negative effects on men's mental/financial health. How little freedom men have to express themselves, because of the backlash that they will experience as men. The lack of protection that is afforded to men(legal, emotional, physical or fina…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 02:01 PM
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If women fantasized about being treated kindly and being loved by men, the entire dating culture would be upside down. Men make fun of women who demand completely unrealistic or delusional things from men, and because women often romanticize completely sociopathic men in those books.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/05/26 09:34 PM
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Women who say this are grossly downplaying the risks involved for the man, or just oblivious to the privileges they benefit from. Men are not granted the intrinsic value that women are, nor are they offered the same level of social lenience and tolerance. Male disposability is a real factor. Women who say this are also often expecting men to jump on the same misandric bandwagons that other women jump on, and never really think twice about because they don't see the problem or dangers with misand…
/r/MensRights21/05/26 09:28 PM
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Not as many people speak about men's right because of women have systematic power, and effectively control the narrative. Men don't want to talk about men's rights, because they don't want to be labelled as incels or women haters. Men are also effectively raised to put women's needs above theirs from childhood, and see enduring the inequality in silence as a necessary form of service to women. Women don't want to talk about men's rights, because it doesn't serve their interests.
/r/MensRights20/05/26 03:36 PM
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People here dislike the term patriarchy because it doesn't exist. It's a projection. We live in a society where: women can insult men, but men cannot insult women. women can hit men, but men cannot hit women. women can hate all men, but men cannot hate any women. women can criticize men, but men cannot criticize women. women can touch men without consent, but men cannot touch women without consent. women can discriminate freely against men, but men cannot discriminate against women. sexism again…
/r/MensRights17/05/26 05:10 AM
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Men don't go to therapy because they are constantly reminded that the world does not care about their problems and that any weakness they show will get them labelled as unstable, unworthy and unattractive by women. Men also tend not to over romanticize the therapy industry the way women do, because they also don't weaponize therapy the way women often do as a means of manipulation. There's also a problem with the fact that the therapy industry is overly represented by women, who are often very u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 05:50 PM
3

They are so quick to try to erase women's complicity in culture, society and laws, because they have to believe that they are the victims of men in all situations. They don't think about the fact that policies and who gets elected usually follows public approval, which is largely controlled by women. They don't think about the fact that it's usually men pursuing those roles because leadership and accountability are roles that are systematically pressured onto men by women. They don't think about…
/r/MensRights14/05/26 05:42 PM
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Yeah, it's insane. I've seen people run with this number of "97% of all violence is committed by men", as if this was fact, and then use that kind of number to justify violence from women towards men. It's crazy because that kind of reasoning or bias is exactly how you end up with numbers like 97%, because it demonstrates how violence from women is excused. You basically have a massive problem with violence from women going dismissed, downplayed, unreported and unprosecuted, which leads people t…
/r/MensRights14/05/26 02:40 PM
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What you're describing is effectively a hostile work environment. If the genders were reversed, it wouldn't be acceptable.
/r/MensRights13/05/26 05:58 PM
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What they believe to be "patriarchy" is just gender roles enforced by women. It is gynocentrism.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/05/26 05:44 PM
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Men's rights activism is just the radical notion that men are people, and that men deserve the same empathy, consideration, rights and protection that is granted to women. That is what gender equality is. I don't think feminism was ever about this though. Feminism was never about treating men like people, just about treating them like the enemy in order to dehumanize them and justify further mistreatment of men.
/r/MensRights13/05/26 05:41 PM
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They're not doing this to be pro-men's rights. They're doing this to present men's rights in a negative light.
/r/MensRights12/05/26 08:53 PM
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I don't think it has anything to do with seeing them as less of a threat, because most men can understand that women can be dangerous. They accept it from women for two main reasons: men are socially conditioned to accept everything from women and men will humor women with just about anything to get laid. Most men have a general unconditional acceptance for women, which is rooted both in an unconditional love/appreciation for women and social beliefs that women are above reproach. It has also be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 08:52 PM
1

Misandry predates feminism by a very long time. There's plenty of recorded history of women having berated and condescending views of men, and women organizing, and validating each other, via gossip and social pressure against men. Feminism just took that same kind of hatred and refined it further. It organized and weaponized misandry on a mass scale. It abused revisionist history, projection, misrepresentation of data and men's virtually unconditional love, support and tolerance for women(syste…
/r/MensRights11/05/26 06:50 PM
2

There's no such thing as witches and warlocks. That shit is make-belief. Women romanticize these kinds of things because they associate it with femininity, and because radical/insane beliefs in women are not nearly as punished as they are with men. Men have an almost unconditional patience and tolerance for women's most irrational and delusional takes, and a lot of that has to do with men being afraid to go against women or wanting to get laid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 06:44 PM
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All rhetoric that calls for castration or mutilation of male genitalia as a form of punishment is inherently rooted in misandry. It stems from a perspective of "rape can only be committed by men" or "all rape is committed by men", and a radical embrace of barbaric/sexual violence against men. It is founded on in an inherent disregard for the male body. What makes it so concerning is that this kind of radical discourse is also widely accepted, especially from women, and every attempt by men to po…
/r/MensRights11/05/26 06:38 PM
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Men are demonized for just being there, in a space where there are female majority. Every "female only gym" or women's only retreat/business is a product of men being vilified for just being present. The entire idea that men should cross the street when walking near a woman, or take wide births when crossing paths with women on hikes, is a product of men being demonized for existing. Men are generally very unwelcomed in female dominated spaces too. So, yes, men are also most certainly vilified f…
/r/MensRights11/05/26 03:15 PM
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You're radicalizing the right. Not everyone who voted for trump was a maga supporter. You can vote for trump and still be against mass deportation. If you just see one side as the lesser of two evils, that can be enough to vote one way or another.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:03 PM
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Both the left and the right are exploiting different definitions of masculinity. Both are wrong and, if the left really wanted to be consistent, it would stop trying to define masculinity altogether and stop enabling women in shaming men by right wing standards of traditional masculinity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 08:58 PM
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There is no "patriarchy". What feminists call patriarchy is literally just women imposing gender roles onto men to act like their fathers. And, if women are the ones imposing those roles, then it's not imposed onto women by force either. It's an oxymoron. Every version of "patriarchy" that has ever existed has effectively just reflected the desires and needs of women. Men who don't follow the script are hated and socially ostracize, and don't get to experience love, sex and companionship with wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 10:50 PM
2

They not an objective measure. They are a measure that is entirely built and defined within a feminist definition and ideology. It's entirely one-sided, in that any inequality against men is ignored and the smallest of inequalities affecting women gets overstated, which in turn also creates the idea that feminism is needed. It is circular reasoning.
/r/MensRights08/05/26 03:15 PM
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It's mental gymnastics. It's not even remotely the same. You can always be more selective when you have too many options, or just break it down into manageable tasks. They just cannot fathom that female privilege is a real thing, and that they are taking advantage of it. They don't look at what they could be doing to make online dating a better experience for everyone, just what they can get from it. The attention they get online, they feel entitled to, and simply do not see the men on the other…
/r/MensRights08/05/26 03:12 PM
5

"Incel" is basically just a slur for men at this point. It's used as a catch all term to put down or slender men. There have been plenty of other terms like it in the past. This is just the latest one, and it is only popular now because it's considered acceptable to hate men, especially sexless men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 03:09 PM
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Women hate men because misandry is normalized. Women are being radicalized by feminists revisionist history and a completely unhinged view of the world that isn't actually rooted in reality. Women a hundred years ago, at time where women were supposedly oppressed, did not hate men the way women hate men today. What's even more ironic though, is that so much of his misandry and radicalization happens because men stay silent and complacent, even as they are being labelled oppressors and tyrants. F…
/r/MensRights08/05/26 03:05 PM
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The men's rights movement has no "father". It would have existed no matter what, because rational people can recognize when inequality is happening. A lot of people liked Warren Farrell, because he spoke openly about something a lot of men were already afraid to discuss openly, but the movement would have existed with or without him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 02:01 AM
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This is why feminism and "patriarchy theory" is so dangerous. It teaches people, women especially, to frame every issue into this "women were oppressed, therefore everything women do against men is justified" mindset. It's used to rationalize so much hatred and violence against men, and frames every problem as something that it isn't. Worse is that it's all based on lies. Women were never as oppressed as feminists make them out to be. Patriarchy doesn't exist, it's literally just women holding m…
/r/MensRights08/05/26 01:56 AM
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My biggest issue with this, besides the obvious double standard and inconvenience this creates solely on the basis of gender, is that is effectively entirely rooted in androphobia and misandry. But because the misandry and the androphobia is so ingrained in the way people think, they don't actually see a problem with it. All change rooms should all be gender neutral. The fact that we have normalized people of the same gender to share these kinds of private/intimate space does not mean that it's …
/r/MensRights06/05/26 08:16 PM
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Not only that but men are expected to larger than women, by women. Like, it's very clear that taller men will consume more resources than shorter men, but women will still romanticize tall men to the extreme. Men also have to work out and maintain a certain level of physical strength, because women expects them to be strong and physically competent. There's a very clear and powerful social pressure on men to consume more, in order to keep up with the physical or beauty standards imposed on them …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:53 PM
1

Every big male "conquerer" got to that point with the support of women, and often got there for the love and admiration of women. They sought strength and power largely because women reward strength and power. Women were complicit, on a systematic level, in all of those cases. Even ignoring all the female monarchs who initiated conflicts/wars, you cannot dismiss the influence that women have had over men in these cases. There's certainly plenty of cases of male monarchs also going to war at the …
/r/MensRights27/04/26 03:12 PM
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In order to be in a rape culture, this would mean that rape is normalized or glorified in society, which it is very far from. Rape against women is literally treated, both legally and socially, as a crime worse than murder. Sexual abuse, sexual assault and rape against men is far more normalized and glorified, at every level. People can't even recognize when it's happening. A woman touching a man's ass is considered to be no big deal. A woman touching another woman's ass is considered no big dea…
/r/MensRights24/04/26 03:30 AM
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This is argument is so pathetic and delusional. 1. men don't need to be going to therapy, the problem isn't a lack of therapy. Trying to romanticize or weaponize therapy for men instead of just treating men with more empathy or kindness, as a way to fault them for everything, is very unhealthy and dishonest. Women are not emotionally outgrowing men, they just think they are because other women are validating everything they do/say. The idea that women want partnership while men want to be partne…
/r/EverydayMisandry22/04/26 05:03 PM
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This is such a poor argument, not just because men can most certainly be blackmailed, arguably far easier because men are almost always the ones being cancelled or wrongfully accused, but men are already killing themselves in far higher numbers than women are. Men are already being bullied and mocked until they kill themselves, systematically. It's also why you will see more school shooting from young men, lower grades from young men, lower mental health/happiness from younger men.
/r/MensRights22/04/26 04:56 PM
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Exactly. Imagine how sad and desperate men have to be to resort to LLM's over real women. All women have to do is take basic care of themselves and respect/appreciate men. The bar is so incredibly low.
/r/MensRights22/04/26 02:31 PM
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Exactly. There's so much bias and inherent misandry in the way the mainstream take is presented. The issue is always presented as a lack of social skills in men, as a way to exclusively push the blame on men, but the reality is that there is no such thing as a "lack of social skill" problem for women, because it's men who are expected to do most of the leg work(invisible labor) to connect with women and bridge the gap with whatever social skill they lack as well. What's worse is that a man's soc…
/r/MensRights22/04/26 02:27 PM
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Misandry is absolutely systemic. The hatred of men is so normalized that most people can't even recognize or acknowledge it even when it's right in front of them. There are countless situations involving gender which fail the "if you were to do this to a woman, how would you feel about it" test, and yet none of it gets acknowledged. Misandry is so widespread that people still can't even recognize how men are disadvantaged in society, or how men have been disadvantaged historically. You can ask a…
/r/MensRights20/04/26 11:37 PM
2

There's two answers to that question. If you look at the term incel in it's original definition of "someone who is involuntarily celibate", then the term is perceived as only applying to men because the fast majority of women who would identify as "incel" were never actually involuntarily celibate but, rather, just hyper critical of all men or refusing to put any effort into meeting men out of ego or expectation. They were very much "voluntarily celibate", even if they didn't really see themselv…
/r/MensRights19/04/26 11:21 PM
3

This is not "misogyny". He didn't kill her because he hates women or because of a non-existent widespread hatred of women. This is homicide and most likely a result of major mental health issues(issues that she was likely aware of but also chose to ignore). Those mental health issues could have also developed as a result of misandry. The hatred of men being so prevalent and widespread has a cost. It doesn't just into a void. Men are on the receiving end and this will manifest in all kinds of oth…
/r/EverydayMisandry15/04/26 02:28 PM
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They don't want equality. The reality is that feminists will look at any kind of homicide committed against a woman as a femicide, when when gender was never the determinant factor, but then completely ignore all the homicides committed against men, which are not only significantly in higher numbers but where gender was the determining factor. The fact that these laws even exist, despite the very clear one-sided bias, only further demonstrates that gynocentrism runs the world, not patriarchies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 02:20 PM
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and then people wonder why men end up being more violent, committing more crimes or even committing sexual violence.
/r/MensRights08/04/26 01:48 AM
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It's crazy how women see something being primarily perpetuated by women, or rather women's choices, preferences and entitlements, and then argue "It's men doing it" or "it's patriarchy". If it's a result of women's choices, and those choices affect men on a systematic level because women have power on a systematic level, then it's not patriarchy. It's a problem that is coming directly from women, and demonstrating a gynocentric system.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/04/26 04:11 AM
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Feminist is also more about an identity and a set of dogma than it is about actual equality or addressing specific issues fairly/impartially. It doesn't have any place in politics, just like religion has no place in politics, because it is effectively a religion. Feminism doesn't try to follow a best approach, it introduces more sexism than it seeks to address, and it completely shuts down a lot of discussion around issues that need more light/clarity.
/r/MensRights31/03/26 04:28 PM
1

I don't even think this is as rare as people think. There's most definitely a lot of gender bias and discrimination happening from both male and female employers like this, to women's benefit. Most of it will be more subtle, or they will try to hide it using other reasons, but it's most definitely present. Women will often want to show favor to other women out of chauvinism, men will often want to show favor to women out affirmative action or fear of being labelled a misogynist. Some of it might…
/r/MensRights31/03/26 03:17 PM
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You can have women's rights without attaching it to any feminist theory. There's never a need for any of the misandric baggage and rhetoric that comes with feminism. You can always advocate for men and women's rights, or gender equality, without falling into the feminist trap. Also, do men have a right to self expression? Are men still solely expected to be breadwinners and providers? Do men have a say in who they marry? "patriarchy" isn't just the existence of inequalities for women, it's a sys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 03:08 PM
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The major differences between the two is that one got fired at by a single officer in a moment of panic, while the other got rushed, beaten, and then unloaded on while he was on the ground, by multiple officers. The level of violence and premeditation between the two is miles apart but, because she is a woman, her case was treated as comparable or even worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 03:00 PM
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It's not a man's responsibility to fix things, anymore than it's a woman's responsibility to do dishes or cook.
/r/MensRights30/03/26 03:43 PM
1

early adoption of feminist indoctrination or placation to women as a sexual/survival strategy
/r/MensRights30/03/26 03:40 PM
1

From everything I have seen and been told of Sweden, it is a feminist hellhole. Doesn't seem like things are good for men there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/26 04:03 PM
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Not only are men attacked more but they are attacked with a higher degree of violence as well, because people do not think twice about using violence against men the way they do against women. Women are considered a protected class, so both men and women will be less likely to use violence against them. Being robbed or physically assaulted would also be far more likely than being raped, kidnapped or sexually assaulted by a man. Men also have their own unique risks, outside of the extreme violenc…
/r/MensRights27/03/26 03:56 PM
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Between this and the nordic model(specifically towards sex work), it's clear that Canada has no real interest in protecting men whatsoever.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 03:32 AM
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Yes and no. They only bring it up when it can be weaponized against men. They don't actually bring it up to address it or to be constructive about it. Not sure that really counts.
/r/MensRights27/03/26 03:22 AM
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Exactly. You can't really objectively quantify misandry or misogyny if you start from a feminist model, where you have a completely one-dimensional view of sexism. Everything that could be interpreted as misogyny is, and everything that should be recognized as misandry isn't. They will look at words like "incel" and not recognize the inherent misandry of it, then they will look at views critical of hypergamy or alimony and present it as misogyny. They will look at women shaming short men as not …
/r/MensRights26/03/26 03:19 PM
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men and women can come together without religion. You response has nothing to do with the argument made you pushing your religion onto the movement.
/r/MensRights25/03/26 03:02 AM
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I don't think anyone here really disagrees with this. Most people here are very clear about the distinction between women and feminism, between egalitarianism and feminism and even between women's rights and feminism. Men are disadvantaged and are victims of a gynocentric society. They might not be entirely powerless but there's very little that men currently can do outside of force, and most men do not want to use force against women. No. Please keep that kind of brainrot as far away from any k…
/r/MensRights25/03/26 02:30 AM
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She's not really doing anything new or all that different from what most other famous female artists are doing. Most of the music you will hear from women are full of misandry. She feels so comfortable doing it, and being so blatant about it, because it's so normalized and because it has been common for her entire career.
/r/MensRights21/03/26 05:43 PM
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These responses are awful, incredibly sexist and just all around ignorant. You do not need to be good at seducing/pursuing women, in order to be a good dad, and it's a bit messed up to even think this should be a requirement to raise a daughter. These are not skillsets that should overlap, and a lot of women seem to forget that how successful men are in dating is often inversely relational to how well they treat women. Having a preference for a daughter over a son could be a problem if it's root…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/03/26 01:43 PM
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There's nothing pedophilic about having a preference for a lack of facial/body hair in women, just like there's nothing gay about a guy preferring to groom himself or to shave body hair. This is generally just a form of heterophobia and misandry. It's women trying to shame men for their preference or find any excuse to justify hating on men. You'll notice women never really argue that men preferring women who are shorter then them is also pedophilic either, because most women obsess over height …
/r/MensRights20/03/26 01:24 PM
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Feminists are not actually looking for equal treatment with men. They want all the positives of equality, without any of the negatives. That's not equality. If feminists want women to be paid the same a men, without putting the same level of effort and without having the same burdens of provision that men do, then that's not equality. That's just paying people, who have fewer expenses and put in less effort, more. If feminists want women to have absolute reproductive rights, without allowing for…
/r/MensRights18/03/26 04:24 AM
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The way I've always looked at it, "having balls" is considered a compliment because it often means being brave despite the obvious exposure/vulnerability. It's taking a disadvantage and still taking on risks in spite of it. Balls/dicks are also often feared, resented or unappreciated by women, yet men still take the initiatives to enact their purpose. The only time people can truly be considered brave is when they have something to fear/lose. Their weakness only further emphasizes their strength…
/r/MensRights17/03/26 08:01 PM
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masturbation isn't the same thing as sex.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/03/26 07:38 PM
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This is pretty sad and you know if you had an audience of that many men calling women stupid, slow, useless and children, it would be all over the news. They would call it misogyny and used as an example of a war against women. Truth is though, this is really just weaponized insecurity. A secure person doesn't need to put other people down to feel good about themselves. They don't need to tell themselves or others that this one group is lower than them. When you try to convince people that you'r…
/r/MensRights17/03/26 07:37 PM
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It's basically social isolation and insuring being sexless. That's not living. Social irrelevance and not having children are also forms of death in that you effectively no longer have any sort of legacy.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/03/26 04:33 PM
1

This is literally just death, in one form or another.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/03/26 02:16 PM
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The idea of patriarchy is an illusion and it is almost entirely perpetuated by women. Men prioritize resource acquisition as a mating strategy because that is what women expect of them and find desirable. Men learn to become dominant or to assert themselves over women because that is what women expect of them and find desirable. The entire structure of "patriarchy" is basically just men fulfilling the roles that women structured for them, so that they don't have to work, take risks or be account…
/r/MensRights16/03/26 02:14 PM
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These aren't really the same, so not a good comparison, but feminism does actually cause more misogyny than it addresses. Feminism is not about fairness or equality, it is mostly just about female supremacy and misandry. Because that misandry is normalized, and feminism continues to push for it to be normalized, it just keeps growing. Eventually that manifests as reciprocal misogyny or even violence against women as men mental health keeps deteriorating and more men reach their breaking point.
/r/MensRights13/03/26 02:11 PM
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"Patriarchy" is effectively men playing the roles that women expect of them because they do not want to do the work themselves. Women still hold most of the power and those roles are still very much rooted in male disposability and servitude. So more that misandry causes the illusion of "patriarchy", not the other way around.
/r/MensRights13/03/26 02:03 PM
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Men do not have access to sex the way women do, and that has almost everything to do with the fact that society expects men to pursue women for sex and even compensate them for it as well. Men are taught to always be receptive to sexual advances from women, while women are taught to always be defensive about women's advances for sex. It is very easy to find virgin men but very hard to find virgin women, and the pressures on men to be competent/confident sexually, in order to even be deemed worth…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/03/26 02:12 PM
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It's ironic because I've seen countless men effectively obeying their wives in relationships and I've rarely ever seen any woman, of any age, "obey" her husband. Almost every married guy I know follows the "I have to check with the wife first" or "happy wife, happy life" rule of thinking. Everything they do, how they vote, how they eat, how they spend their free time or how much they work is effectively parsed through the lens and approval of their wives.
/r/MensRights12/03/26 02:06 PM
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Women taking risks, taking ownership of their own love lives and taking initiatives would all be part of being a better egalitarian or, at the very least, opposing existing gender norms. If you expect men to do something you wouldn't do, because of gender, you're just being sexist. So, you either want the proposal, which means you should be willing to do it yourself, or you should get rid of the expectation altogether and approach marriage differently.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/03/26 04:21 PM
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the old traditional values that women used to follow only existed because they were beneficial to the women of those times. The moment women felt like those values didn't benefit them, society changed to accommodate their preferences. The reason why those standards and stereotypes changed for women but stayed the same for men is because we are living, and have always lived, in a gynocentric society. Men do whatever women want. This is the norm almost everywhere.
/r/MensRights11/03/26 04:17 PM
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"99% of female rapists are women, therefore women are clearly awful and deserve all the misogyny". Funny how the numbers can be presented this way, and you'd be able to recognize just how ridiculous and sexist that is. When you disregard or omit all the rape, assaults and pedophilia committed by women, then of course it's going to look like it's only men doing it. Even ignoring all the social factors that might also negatively affect men's mental health and access to sex, which would account for…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/03/26 02:19 PM
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If you feel disrespected by male attention, you are being heterophobic. That is a behavior that women adopt as a form of aggression towards men but it is not rational, grounded or healthy. If a person feels disrespected by black people looking their way, and only black people, you would be able to quickly recognize this as a mental illness and rooted in racism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 02:14 PM
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Yes, for multiple reasons. One, there's the physical aspect. The more people go without their needs being met, the more desperate they become to have those needs met. This desperation can manifest in more force being used or it can manifest in men being more gullible and vulnerable to exploitation(which will also have negative effects on their mental health). The mental aspect, however, is the more relevant one, I think. Because the depravation can have a lot of long term negative effects on men…
/r/MensRights11/03/26 02:10 PM
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A lot of women get really upset about men not standing up for them more but they don't really understand that the rules are very different for them, compared to what they are for men. They don't really see their privilege, or the fact that people, men or women, would react to a man with far more violence, or fewer restraints, than they would for a woman. So many women will have no problems going up to men and yelling in their faces, oblivious to the fact that their gender is their shield, or bla…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 04:35 PM
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I think it just comes down to two major factors. Motivation and mental health. I think a lot a lot of men used to get a lot of motivation to work harder because they were under the idea that money/accomplishment was their way to find love/appreciation from women, and the idea of providing/caring for someone was very enticing for them. Now it might just feel like this is no longer as appreciated or just something men are taken advantage of for. Men also face discrimination, beratement and vilific…
/r/MensRights10/03/26 02:53 PM
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the first slide demonstrates that society doesn't value men's contribution to child rearing, and also doesn't really acknowledge that women have children for themselves and 99% of those women were also supported by men. The second slide is just an example of how systematic misandry is normalized among women and how men's love and desire for women is present and unconditional, even despite the amount of hatred that women normalize towards men. Women's hatred of men says nothing about men's worth,…
/r/EverydayMisandry10/03/26 02:37 PM
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Masculine/Feminine and scripture are both just made up ideas. They aren't rooted in reality, just projection.
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:46 PM
1

Both are judged by how old they are but women are generally considered more attractive when they are younger. It's not just a matter of looks though, because it also plays into other dynamics such as libido, energy levels, youthfulness, potential instead of stagnant, being forward-minded instead of rear-minded, etc. Men are not more superficial for being attracted to younger women though, that is generally an anti-male bias and defensive coping mechanism used against men for their preferences. W…
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:44 PM
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A woman's perception of danger is not equivalent to the actual level of danger she is in. Most women can both under-estimate and over-estimate the amount of danger they are in at any point. They often under-estimate danger around charming, rich, tall and good looking men, and other women, while also generally over-estimating danger in every other scenario where men are involved. What's more concerning, however, is how women's perception of danger is also expected to be heeded at all times, and h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 02:35 PM
3

All wars are androcides.
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:22 PM
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Men hate misandry and toxic beliefs/attitudes normalized as femininity. They do not hate women. Women very much do hate women as a individuals and as a collective. Misandry is everywhere.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/03/26 02:21 PM
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Women have leverage simply by existing. Men are ultimately just trying to win their attention, approval and affection. They care about what women think of them. If you want to get deeper into it though, there's all kinds of emotional manipulation that women employ, both as individuals and as collectives against men. Character assassination, vilification, aggression, withholding affection, silence treatment, gossip, female unity through chauvinism, perpetuating gender role expectations, etc.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/03/26 02:18 PM
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This is most definitely a problem of hatred towards men. Aversion and repulsion, which are really why women's only gym exists, are products of hatred. Even fear, if you were to take at face value, is also a problem of fear because it is not a rational fear and without the hatred the fear there would be no place for the fear to grow. Women would just rationally understand that it's wrong to fear men. The problem is not with men, the problem is with how women react to men. It is a matter of hostil…
/r/MensRights09/03/26 02:15 PM
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It proves neither. Not just because there's plenty of women who were involved but because, even if it was just men involved, it is still only really demonstrating the abuse of a few men, not men as a whole. Realistically, there are communes out there that do exist, with only women, and I'm sure many of them do a lot of weird and depraved shit too. The world just wouldn't hear about it. In fact, I would even argue that, even if they did, most people would have a far lesser reaction to it as well.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 05:25 PM
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Where I'd push back is the women's gym example. That's just a business responding to a real safety concern, not institutionalized hatred of men. Sure, you could choose to see it as misandry, but why waste that energy making a meal out of something that doesn't need making? That is not a business responding to a real safety concern, that is a business that is responding to heterophobia and androphobia. That is a fear of men, and it is rooted in hatred. Most of the women who use these gyms take of…
/r/MensRights06/03/26 05:02 PM
1

Women have not been told to stay home and cook for a very long time and, even when that was the case, the context of this was that these were tasks that were safe and mostly burden free for women. It was presented as a way for women to still contribute to relationships without having to put themselves at risk from the dangers outside the home and the stresses of hard labor. It was also something most women wanted at the time, because most jobs at the time were also much harder. It was always abo…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/03/26 04:55 PM
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A lot of it is incompetence, a lot of it is malice but a lot of it is just ignorance and indoctrination. Take the very popular feminist tag-line of "misogyny kills, misandry only hurts feelings". A lot of people genuinely believe this, because they have been so fundamentally indoctrinated that they can't even recognize the countless ways in which misandry kills, directly and indirectly, and because they have been taught to see all women who are killed as being killed as a result of misogyny. The…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 04:47 PM
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If all men are misogynists, then that would also imply that all women are misandrists. That also requires you to elaborate more on what misogyny is and how you define it, because a lot of the hatred that men have towards toxic femininity or hostility from women towards men is not actually directed at women themselves. A lot of the hatred that is directed at men by women, however, is very much directed at men just being men. It's also ironic to say that capitalism is harmful, because it's women w…
/r/MensRights05/03/26 03:46 PM
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Bold of women to assume that this kind of selection is natural or how this kind of decline isn't going to negatively effect them too.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/26 03:36 PM
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If you can recognize the discrimination that men experience but not recognize how that discrimination negatively impacts you, or how that discrimination is shifted against you, you are either not really putting any real objective or critical thought on the matter or just living in a state of cognitive dissonance. You should also be able to recognize that an inequality does not need to be legally enforced by law to be systematic or oppressive, because it can still be enforced by culture or social…
/r/MensRights05/03/26 03:29 PM
1

Women solidify men's role as providers. They are the ones who are imposing those roles, and men are just reacting to it. It is women who are setting up the rules of success for men, and men competing within those rules. If women decided that it was no longer desirable for men to lead and take charge, there would be no patriarchy. If women decided that it was no longer desirable for men to pay for things, there would be no capitalism. A patriarchy would be a rule of men and for men. This does not…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/26 03:14 PM
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There is no patriarchy. If men are just taking on the roles of "patriarchs", as in acting as women's fathers, protectors, providers and caretakers, because that is what women expect, demand and reward from men, then it is not actually a patriarchy because that's still women dictating culture. It is a gynocentric society which demands a certain form of servitude from men. I wish I could say "nice try" but you just repeating the same point verbatim isn't actually much of an attempt.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/26 04:01 AM
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This definitely reads like a troll post. Not even something a man would write or even phrase this way. You would really have to live in denial to pretend like you've never experienced discrimination or hatred as a man in your lifetime, when it is everywhere. Even ignoring the countless forms of discrimination, or the lack of legal protection that men are effectively denied against discrimination or prejudice, there's a lot of purely legal problems too. Conscription is a matter of legal rights. L…
/r/MensRights05/03/26 03:56 AM
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You realize that a man masturbating in public would be viewed by both men and women, right? So, this example you have chosen is something that would affect men and women equally, with the only difference being that people would try to console a woman for it but not a man. If you were to look at this completely objectively though, you would also realize that the offense you feel in that example is mostly rooted in your own heterophobia as well. Because if a woman masturbated in public, you would …
/r/EverydayMisandry04/03/26 03:23 PM
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Women are not oppressed, they just control the narrative and men accept and pander to it.
/r/MensRights28/02/26 04:36 PM
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Almost every dollar men make is generally spent on women. Almost every dollar women make is generally spent on themselves. These things don't happen in a vacuum. Men compete that much harder to make money because they are ultimately expected to be, and will be judged as, providers.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/02/26 03:42 PM
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The craziest thing about these people is that they also don't really live in factual history, they live in a twisted interpretation of history. In their minds, sexism against men is justified because they believe there's a history of sexism against women but their view of sexism in the past was completely skewed by feminism. A lot of the perceived sexism against women is projected or exaggerated, and a lot of the historical sexism against men is just ignored or not perceived entirely. It's a com…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/02/26 03:33 PM
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women are complicit in every possible way. They benefit from every social advancement, they benefit from the men competing for their attention, they benefit from the men who take risks on their behalf and they benefit from the social support that could have otherwise gone to a man who was left behind by society. Even the pressures placed on men to make money at all cost, especially in a capitalist society, inherently comes from women.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/02/26 03:24 PM
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Chivalry is putting a woman's needs above your own. It is, in fact, the literal opposite of kindness because you're effectively treating men worse and without consideration. It's not about serving the greater good either, because chivalry at it's core is just about men taking on a greater bad for a woman's negligible good. It's also, at this point, just a matter of theatrics and presentation. Women expect chivalry because they are taught that men should do these things for them, regardless of ho…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/02/26 04:38 PM
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There's a major overlap. Very few women actually want to never be approached, because that would mean that they never get the attention the want or the romantic opportunities they want. They just don't want to be approached by men they don't find attractive. Some women will be courteous and respectful towards every man who approach them, but many won't be either.
/r/MensRights24/02/26 04:22 PM
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This is a pretty awful and sexist question. Like, if I asked "Would you allow a female driver to drive your uber?", you could instantly recognize how that is an awful and sexist question to ask.
/r/MensRights24/02/26 04:17 PM
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Exactly. The mainstream is still so disillusioned with this idea that men just go online, find manosphere content, and then that content just makes them hate women or want to not have sex. It's insane. The "manosphere" exists, because men experience what they do with women first, and then see content that they already relate to. It's also incredibly tiresome how the issue is quite clearly a problem of women being overly critical/hateful of men, or even being socially maladapted towards men, only…
/r/MensRights23/02/26 08:10 PM
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Incel just means involuntarily celibate, and this can be caused by all kinds of mundane reasons such as being a man who believes in gender equality, being a man who waits on affirmative consent, being a man that doesn't approach/escalate first, being a man who is shy or introverted, being a man that is into unpopular hobbies(such a gaming or other nerdy hobbies), being a man that doesn't want to chase women, being a man that doesn't want to game women(or that doesn't want to learn to), being a m…
/r/MensRights21/02/26 08:01 AM
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This kind of attitude is crazy because not only is she presenting a false narrative, which also misrepresents all men, and not only is it going against all reality knowing that women generally get away with so much open hatred/insults for men because men will tolerate it all, but because she's also using this false narrative to play the victim. She's effectively putting this man into a position of oppressor, despite the fact that he did nothing wrong and that she's oppressing herself with this d…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/02/26 09:43 PM
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If you just fix the way men are treated, men's mental health will naturally fix itself over time.
/r/MensRights19/02/26 04:02 PM
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The triangle at the top is actually much smaller and the entire concept of "male privilege" is little more than a feminist concept used to radicalize women and justify misandry. What constitutes as "male privilege" by feminists or women who have no idea what being a man is like(limited, selective or non-existent empathy), is absolutely delusional and ignorant. Most of the money men earn, goes towards women or children. Most of the money women earn, goes towards themselves or children. And this i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:54 PM
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Mainstream media is riddle with misandry and hateful comments against men, in far greater numbers than what you will see written about women(which is also, often moderated or confined). Even just today, every feminist site had this skier responding to a journalist and creating a gendered issue in a situation that was never gendered to begin with. Every single comment on this video is just women male-bashing the reporter and cheering this woman for "putting a man in his place". It's littered with…
/r/MensRights19/02/26 03:38 AM
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This effectively means that any crime that affects a woman will be treated more seriously, because it's any crime that affects women is already being perceived as being motivated by misogyny. Many feminists, and even governments, still actually believe that there are femicides in place, simply because Male-on-Female domestic abuse exists(ignoring the fact that heterosexual relationships are still the norm, which means it's not motivated by gender, or the fact that women will instigate violence n…
/r/MensRights18/02/26 06:50 PM
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Systematic misandry, and it's normalization of hateful rhetoric against men as well as its lack of support for men, is a big factor in men's lowered overall mental health but most men are still "lonely" because they have some basic fundamental needs being unmet and which can only really be found in a meaningful relationship. Sex is a part of being human. Love is a part of being human. Acceptance and support, both to give and receive, are a fundamental part of being human. The social issues that …
/r/MensRights18/02/26 06:46 PM
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Besides the obvious demented logic of trying to justify misandry, men are already doing pretty much whatever it is women want. "Patriarchy" is just men taking on the roles that women expect of them, without them ever having to be "scary" in the first place.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/02/26 03:42 AM
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This is delusional and sexist. Not just because there's plenty of examples of women being just as fascist or being complicit in the fascist regimes lead by men, but because there's nothing to indicate that women would be any different when presented with the same power and responsibilities. There's also certainly a lot of fascism that was done by men for women's direct benefits, with men using fascism in order to further enforce gynocentric societies.
/r/MensRights18/02/26 03:33 AM
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This video just falls into the same conservative pitfalls a lot of videos about men fall into. Trying to define what being a man is supposed to be, without actually really looking at the inherent problem of misandry.
/r/MensRights16/02/26 12:03 AM
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Men also end up dead and in ditches, in far greater numbers(not even counting causalities of war, which is significantly more). It's ironic because when men are found dead in ditches, it usually does actually have a lot to do with hatred of men but when women are found dead in ditches, it has very little to do with a hatred of women.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/02/26 07:14 AM
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misandry is definitely physical. Police shootings and excessive violence is physical abuse rooted in misandry. Women hitting men and people make excuses or allowing it is physical abuse rooted in misandry. Stronger men abusing their strength to abuse weaker men, and getting a free pass for it because women romanticize that kind of abuse, is also physical abuse rooted in misandry.
/r/MensRights15/02/26 07:06 AM
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Very few men would ever think this way, let alone dare to make these kinds of arguments openly unless they're purposefully trying to make some kind of edgy awful joke. They would get chewed up by both men and women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 03:54 PM
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That is such a disgusting and sociopathic mindset. Imagine if men just went around saying "Domestic abuse and rape are okay because that just means more freedom for men!". Just awful stuff. I'm not sure if it's worse that these people are given these platform or that these beliefs are so normalized in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/26 03:29 PM
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It's not even that women complain more, it's that women have the freedom to complain(because they have unconditional love and tolerance from men, and protection from retribution) and that society actually listens and cares far more when women do complain.
/r/MensRights13/02/26 03:26 PM
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We don't live in a patriarchy, we live in a gynocentric society. The concept of patriarchy is purely a feminist fabrication, meant to vilify men, normalize misandry and justify its own existence.
/r/MensRights13/02/26 03:24 PM
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Because we don't live in a patriarchy, we live in a gynocentric society. Most of the money men earn go to women, most of the money women earn go to women. Women's interests have always been served first. Even men acting "patriarchal" is effectively men taking on the role that women expect them to take, with the ones that don't being condemned from society and erased from history.
/r/MensRights13/02/26 03:22 PM
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I don't think that's the case at all but, even if there were more women in mental institution, I do not think that it would be as a result of "evil men persecuting poor harmless women" the way a lot of feminists revisionists would often do. It's very common for feminists to look at history and then just present that under the feminist lens of "men bad, women good", but that fundamentally goes against most fundamental truths about society(which are just as consistent today as they were in the pas…
/r/MensRights13/02/26 03:17 PM
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Sexual violence is something that has been heavily normalized by women. They think it's funny because they don't see the harm in it, or just don't care about the harm because it doesn't affect them. They see it as empowering because, in their minds, all threats made against men are justified because "men are scary" and "women have no power". They believe this because that is the narrative that enables them to be abusive towards men with a certain degree of impunity, as we see in this example, an…
/r/MensRights13/02/26 03:01 PM
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Or literally all of social media, which is riddled with misandry and sociopathic levels of apathy, prejudice and disdain for men, all of which is then cheered and upvoted by women. That is doing a lot more damage than lonely guys trying to explore different fantasies on their own time. That is normalizing far more hatred or violence than men consuming porn. The reality is that this is, effectively, all just projection and heterophobia. It's women trying to re-assert control over male sexuality, …
/r/MensRights13/02/26 02:57 PM
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I've had plenty of gay men look at me that way, and it didn't bother me. It would have also been considered homophobia if I had. The comment isn't odd, it just challenges your prejudices. The fact that there are homophobic men out there who exist, and feel uncomfortable about gay men, doesn't really mean that they are in the right or that the goal should be for women to treat straight men the way homophobic men treat gay men. A lot of women watch porn and consume a lot of pornographic material i…
/r/MensRights12/02/26 03:30 PM
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Most women can get the benefits of relationships, without actually being in a relationship, for free. They get free support, sex and attention from men, because culture conditions men to put women's need above their own, and to pursue women. They get free support, provision and protection from government assistance, social preferential treatment and social services. They get to open up about whatever they want, because they won't be judged by men the way women will judge men. They get to be whoe…
/r/MensRights12/02/26 03:19 PM
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Most women I know have demonstrated, in one form or another, signs of anti-male rhetorics, heterophobia, female chauvinism or prejudices towards men. Misandry is far more common than not, it just comes in different shapes and sizes. The more overt misandrists, I just distance myself from completely. They are dangerous, and would turn on any man for any excuse. They would throw you under the bus, just to get some browny points with other women, or they will project every negative bias they have t…
/r/MensRights11/02/26 04:54 PM
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Both American political parties are harmful to men in their own ways. The left just happens to be far more hostile and vitriolic in their hatred of men, but that doesn't really meant that it's a right wing movement/sub. To me, this just seems like a failure to look at positions outside of the United states two party system, and framing everything as either the left or the right. Those are not really the only two options, especially when you look at issues on an individual basis or movements inde…
/r/MensRights11/02/26 04:41 PM
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This is incredibly reductive and misrepresentative of the problems with the left, almost sociopathicly. Men didn't just turn away from the left because they were called names, because it certainly extends far beyond that, but why would you even consider it acceptable for one party to use gendered slurs against men to begin with?
/r/MensRights11/02/26 04:34 PM
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This is another non-sense cope. It doesn't actually make sense. You can approach people first without being loose or easy. You can also just own your sexuality like an adult and not give a fuck about the guys who would call you loose or easy. It's also a moot point when you know those same women would fold to some of the men who would approach them first, and have those one night stands anyway. At least when you approach first, you are the instigator, so maybe the worse you could be called is th…
/r/MensRights09/02/26 06:11 PM
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Right. It's a non-sense cope. It's not a valid reason at all. This is an "after the fact" rationalization. In other words, it's a false narrative meant to excuse the fact that they don't want to approach, and wouldn't have approached anyway, while also vilifying the male gender or presenting themselves as victims. It doesn't make sense logically, because if a man was crazy enough to kill, it wouldn't matter who approached who first. A man with the intent to kill could also just approach them fir…
/r/MensRights09/02/26 06:00 PM
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Do you think when racial slurs are used against men, which would otherwise not be used against women, that gender is still not the most relevant factor?
/r/MensRights09/02/26 05:52 PM
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So many women like to hate on men for not getting into politics, but how can you even expect men to care about politics when they can't even get recognition for even the most basic of issues from their own peers and government. When men face constant discrimination and prejudice, constant fear and hatred, constant violence and mistreatment, but all of it is normalized and the people cheering/defending those inequalities are asking you to care more about their issues.
/r/MensRights09/02/26 05:51 PM
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It would not, at all. Everything women do would be interpreted differently. There would be no negative bias or such harsh projections. A woman could literally go and grab a guys ass in front of an entire crowd, and no one would call her "rapey". I know because I see it all the time and it's been done to me plenty too.
/r/MensRights06/02/26 01:53 AM
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Men are constantly being told that they're being intrusive or creepy when they approach women, even when they have the best of intentions. A lot of women also put very little consideration in making themselves approachable. They will go out to clubs, stay in a small huddle with their friends that may as well be a defensive line, and then wonder why only assholes approach them. Most women are also hyper-critical of most men, looking for any excuse to put men down or reject them. Every single dati…
/r/MensRights06/02/26 01:50 AM
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It's not new but it's definitely a awful and harmful term. It's basically used to present men as rapists, even when they aren't and there is no evidence that they are, with some degree of "plausible deniability" from the person using it because they're not actually calling that person a rapist. It's also typically used in a explicitly gendered manner, as it's only used against men. It would be like men saying "this girl has a 'baby murderer' vibe". It's gross.
/r/MensRights05/02/26 03:24 PM
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When you vilify and desolate men, you effectively make it harder or less safe for men to do the right thing. If you have a program that tries to portray all men as the enemy, or tries to portray an issue in a needlessly gendered way, then you effectively tell men that the problem is their biology, rather than the bad behavior itself. When people ignore those same bad behaviors from women, because the entire effort is not actually about doing good but, rather, hurting men, you are also telling me…
/r/MensRights04/02/26 09:35 PM
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Men do choose these positions more but what feminists fail to acknowledge is that men choose these position from a position of duress, scarcity and necessity. Men choose harder and more dangerous jobs because they have to, because they will be judged far more harshly than women will ever be for their income, because men will be expected to be providers, because men who don't make too much money or work boring jobs are treated more poorly than the ones who don't. Men also choose these types of jo…
/r/MensRights04/02/26 03:29 AM
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I see what you mean. Like a debt system effectively being used against men, using tasks that those women would have done for themselves anyway, and that men wouldn't have to that level and do not need/want, only to then hold it against them in order to fault, shame or manipulate them further.
/r/MensRights03/02/26 02:58 PM
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Most suicide are men because life is infinitely worse for men than it is for women. Period. Misandry is everywhere and completely normalized. Hate movements against men are everywhere, platformed and normalized. One-sided expectations of men are everywhere and normalized. Violence against men is everywhere and normalized, not just through war, crime but law enforcement as well. Abuse from women towards men is everywhere and normalized. Discrimination against men is everywhere and normalized, not…
/r/MensRights02/02/26 01:51 AM
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It's just delusional denial, ego and selective empathy. It's basically women being so blind and ignorant to the effects of misandry, and how prevalent it is, to recognize the harm it's doing and then getting defensive about the idea that women are not the oppressed minority they make themselves out to be(which is, ultimately, another tool at their disposal that they can use to shame, attack or manipulate men). But it's clear that misandry does kill. Violence against men is a significantly greate…
/r/MensRights30/01/26 06:18 PM
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I don't know that they do, especially in canada. Don't underestimate how strong the feminist cool-aid really is. A lot of people still mistakenly believe that we live in a patriarchy, that women are oppressed(and have always been oppressed) or that male loneliness is just caused by men not being good enough friends. There's a lot of misinformation, negative projection and misandry being pushed into the mainstream. There's also a lot of men's issues that are completely unknown to a lot of people,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 03:37 PM
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The pay gap would effectively be women choosing lower paying positions and professions and, given there are a lot of women who would still do this because they believe it's a man's job to provide for them, you could argue that they are deliberately choosing to put in less effort, take fewer risks or accepting lower payouts for softer jobs. In those cases, that could certainly be argued to be weaponized incompetence. You could also see a lot of weaponized incompetence in the work place as well, w…
/r/MensRights30/01/26 02:55 AM
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I would include it as well. Women can do a lot to insure their own safety. They can learn to fight, they can train so that they gain the strength to run or fight, they can practice alertness and awareness, avoid getting inebriated, they can learn to assert themselves better, learn to de-escalate situations and learn to overcome any irrational fears that might be holding them back. But, what you will often see is women choosing to do none of those things, and just shaming, guilting and manipulati…
/r/MensRights29/01/26 09:25 PM
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So, where are the feminists calling out this woman for her blatant misandry?
/r/MensRights29/01/26 02:59 PM
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Such a disgusting proposition, and her argument is full of feminist revisionist history, one-sided perspectives and a sociopathic level of apathy for men. When feminists argues that it's about equality, then tries to advocate for the sterilization of men over just embracing empathy/love to men or, you know, just know quantifying men based on their incomes(which is supposed to be a product of the patriarchy but clearly if your engaging in "if you don't make enough money then you should be sterili…
/r/MensRights29/01/26 02:58 PM
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Nothing will happen to feminism. Feminist is effectively just weaponized misandry and flourishes because have historically done anything to make women happy. This is not going to change. Feminists will look at Ukraine and use it as a way to justify more misandry, or patriarchy theory, and men will continue to tolerate it. They don't care about the cost in men's lives or traumas, they will just turn around and say "women are the primary victims of war".
/r/MensRights28/01/26 10:26 PM
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The truth is a bit more sinister than that. This is primarily an issue from extremist women on the left and the reality is that this is more so an example of women using their sexuality to push misandric agendas over men, against their best interests. This would be like men on the right going around saying "You can fuck a leftist but never marry her" or "If she's apolitical, don't give her a dime", or just any other variation of that which seeks to target centrists and non-extremists specificall…
/r/MensRights28/01/26 04:28 PM
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Exactly. If a woman is so radicalized that she can't even tolerate differing view points, or perceives a lack of strong political bias to be a threat, then you do not want to date this person anyway. This is not an emotionally safe person, and they would likely look for any excuse to start an argument. You would constantly be walking on egg shells and she could turn on you on a dime. This is not someone you can build with. This is also, most likely, someone who also has a lot of harmful views ab…
/r/MensRights28/01/26 04:20 PM
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To me, this is just women failing to recognize their own privilege more than anything. They don't realize that they actually have far more freedom to be political than men do, in three very big ways. The first one is that men will ultimately still accept and embrace them regardless of their political ideology, if not simply because men have an unconditional love and desire for women. Men will also just want to sleep with women regardless of their political ideologies, and female extremists aren'…
/r/MensRights27/01/26 08:55 PM
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Misandry will never be taken seriously because there's an inherent social bias against men, and people simply do not value men's feelings, consent and lives. Even your first example, "a man being a creep towards women", is generally viewed through the lens of women's inherent biases and hostility towards men or male heterosexuality. A man who looks at a woman a bit too long would be viewed as a creep by women, and therefore society, but that is not an objective statement. It has far more to do w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:41 PM
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Not only is that rarely the case, and rather just another product of a negative bias against men that has been completely normalized(effectively vilifying/belittling men for just being human or not living one to completely one-sided expectations) but women still absolutely have the ability to figure out what men are like in and out or relationships. It's also a very hypocritical sentiment when you consider how much women actually act like children in dating and relationships as well. The entire …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:27 PM
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Men have no reproductive rights. They are told "don't have sex or you are liable for supporting a child for the next 18 years", which would be considered a completely unacceptable answer to give to women in regards to their reproductive rights. There's no say, there's no option for early absolvement, there's no consideration for a man's consent and there's no consideration for the physical, financial, social, emotional or life cost this might have for them. There is also no protection for men ag…
/r/MensRights26/01/26 06:13 PM
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These types of responses are heavily biased by mainstream and feminist ideology and not presenting the whole picture, because anything else would be considered offensive to women. Men experience plenty of sexual violence, it is just not recognized as sexual violence. Men experience far more overt violence, because they are men, and that is also often not recognize(case on point, ICE's latest victim was beaten and gunned down in a way that would have never happened to a woman). Men also have repr…
/r/MensRights25/01/26 05:00 PM
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Heterophobia against men is another very big problem of misandry in the world. Women are taught to resent and hate male attention and male heterosexuality, and to see it as inherently evil, oppressive or tainted. Men are expected to pursue women romantically while simultaneously being shamed and vilified constantly for their desires and their sexuality. Even something like women-only spaces exist not because there is something inherently or objectively wrong with men showing signs of desire/inte…
/r/MensRights25/01/26 04:53 PM
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Yes, it is sexual violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 04:46 PM
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A guy behind the scenes that no one knows isn't going to receive the same level of attention as people on screen. That guy also wasn't the one caught on camera being a total chauvinist. He also doesn't have the most power, even if he was single-handedly running the event, because they still have more influence over his decisions than he does over theirs. The people generally tune in to see the players, not the organizers. They have more power. Not just because they have more clout or interacting…
/r/MensRights24/01/26 01:02 AM
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A man trying to white knight and placate to sexist women is still effectively enabling their sexism. What he did was wrong but it's certainly not just on him.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 03:38 PM
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Toxicity can happen from anyone, man or woman. This particular brand of toxicity is very much rooted in chauvinism between the women and sexism against men though. They wouldn't have felt so proud or comfortable treating him this way if it weren't for the fact that they were women targeting a man. Misandry, sexism and chauvinism from women is far more tolerated and normalized than it is from men.
/r/MensRights23/01/26 03:23 PM
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This had everything to do with gender. They were behaving the way they were because they are used to being able to be that toxic and get away with it. Because women being misandric online, and hating on men is something that is totally normalized among women. Those women thought they were in the right and that they were doing nothing wrong in talking down to him. When Cece made this post about him being some loser gamer and not having any social skills, that was also very much a gendered attack.…
/r/MensRights23/01/26 03:01 PM
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It's crazy to me that amount of praise, recognition and worship many women want from fundamental bodily functions, from menstruations to childbirth, on top of the respect and recognition they already get which is far above the level of recognition that men get for their biology. You will often see feminists complain and rally around this idea that women are not recognized historically enough for childbirth, and that this is somehow caused by "patriarchy". It's like they want statues and monument…
/r/MensRights23/01/26 02:49 PM
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Most women and feminists have no problem with women using their platforms, their bodies and their sexuality to promote misandry, female chauvinism and feminist dogma, if not to outright promote violence against men. They call it empowering. This is just a case of women hating on Sweeney because she generally doesn't play into feminist politics. If Sweeney used her body to promote misandry, they would be fine with the ad.
/r/MensRights22/01/26 06:33 PM
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It is absolutely sexual violence/assault. Often the motivation behind women targeting the balls is emasculation and to attack their sexuality. Many often target the male genitals specifically because they get some kind of sexual gratification from it, or because it satiates some kind of sexual curiosity. It's treated as not being a big deal, because society is generally indifferent/hostile towards men and male sexuality(more indication that we live in a gynarchy and not a patriarchy) and because…
/r/MensRights22/01/26 06:30 PM
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The kingsman situation is a perfect example of the misandry problem you will find in gaming. Here you had a group of chauvinistic women who were there because of their gender, who ganged up on him because of gender, who insulted him the way they did because of his gender, who used their gender as a way of deflecting criticism, who used gender as an excuse to justify the horrible behavior and who used their gender as a weapon in order to get him kicked out of the team. Gender was a massive factor…
/r/MensRights22/01/26 06:17 PM
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This is the way a lot of women, including most mainstream female streamers, have always behaved. I don't really think it's setting women back in anyway, because ultimately this kind of behavior is something that most gamers are used to seeing from a lot of women online and still tolerate anyways. Most people can also recognize that not every woman is like this, but they can still acknowledge that a lot of them are, and that they are this way because people support them for it. You can also recog…
/r/MensRights21/01/26 07:46 PM
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The clips I've seen are pretty awful but this also looks to me like a very clear demonstration of how female toxicity, chauvinism, ego and misandry are actually quite prevalent in gaming. In my experience, it's always been pretty evident that it has always been this way, because even when women were first starting to adopt gaming mainstream, it was riddled with hateful comments directed at men and chauvinistic women ganging up together because they are women. A lot of the rhetoric in gaming that…
/r/MensRights21/01/26 03:42 PM
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First thing you should do is recognize that this person is not arguing in good faith, and effectively looking for any excuse to justify her prejudice. But, then, you can always point out that there are many socio-economic factors for this, in that men might be pushed into crime more because there's an expectation of provision/protection placed on men. You could point out that the way men are treated is conductive to lower mental health in men, which in turn will lead to more crime from men. You …
/r/MensRights19/01/26 03:22 PM
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Many women do not respect men, so they won't respect boundaries from men either. Many women are heterophobic, and see gays/lesbians as allies in this regard, so they think it's fine to invade those spaces. People generally do not like to be excluded, but when women are excluded they can just complain to get their way while men cannot, so many grow used to the idea of going wherever they want.
/r/MensRights19/01/26 03:11 PM
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How many videos have you seen of women reacting violently to men for something like a man just looking at another woman or having idle conversation with another women(with no intent to pursue her). It's very common place, and heavily normalized. You will see video after video of women hitting men for this, as if this was an acceptable thing to do, and thousands of women in the comments cheering her on as if this was completely normal. It's not though. It's not actually normal for women to get th…
/r/MensRights17/01/26 07:28 PM
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women are not oppressed. feminism just convinces them that they are by normalizing male vilification and one-sided narratives in which women are always the victims.
/r/MensRights16/01/26 10:09 PM
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I think it should not only be legalized. It should be regulated and streamlined and, in some cases, maybe even subsidized. If you look at it more as form of personal care, it makes sense. There shouldn't really be any kind of solicitation going on on the streets. Pimps shouldn't be a thing, any more than you would want some random guy pushing pills or therapy on street corners. You want to make sure that both the clients and the providers are in a safe environment. Clients and providers both nee…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 04:07 PM
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The normalization of systemic misandry and heterophobia towards men, male disposability, and forced gender roles still being imposed on men. Every other issue is effectively a symptom of those core problems.
/r/MensRights16/01/26 03:44 PM
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If that's your view of male sexuality, you are just an heterophobe and a misandrist. It's not normal to have that kind of hatred towards male sexuality, even if it is normalized.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/01/26 03:40 PM
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This is the type of women who will ignore men who genuinely love them, and only respond to guys who just want to use them for their own sexual gratification.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/26 03:26 PM
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In order to accept the premise of feminism, and its twisted view that it is inherently synonymous with gender equality, you first have to believe that women are universally disenfranchised and disadvantaged, in all ways and at all times, and that this will never change. Not only is this completely untrue, and requires a lot of inherent male vilification to get to that belief(which is extremely harmful to men), but there's also no end game. There's no winning. It's an endless pursuit of supremacy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 03:20 PM
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In order to start a family, a man must first find someone who values and desires him. That is a pre-requisite, and a lot of men are struggling with it. That is loneliness. A family is also a unique form of intimacy. When you meet a woman you love, you want her to become your family. That's a unique bond that men yearn for, and it's absence is the loneliness that they often experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 08:14 PM
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What you are describing is not the nature of love, it's the nature of gender roles. Women do not have to have all these skills or make those kinds of sacrifices to find love or intimacy. There's plenty of men out there already investing in themselves and being vulnerable, and still failing to find women who value them, let alone love or companionship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 08:12 PM
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It might be worse to you but it is not "objectively" worse. It completely depends on the person in question and who they are with. They also always have the option to leave that relationship. That is a choice that is available to them, which the people who are alone do not have. You trying to reduce male loneliness to men being in bad relationships is infinitely worse than simply recognizing that both are harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 08:10 PM
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This is a horrible take. The fact that men can enter relationships with women who make them feel lonely doesn't actually take anything away from the fact that men can suffer a great deal in being alone, rejected or ghosted, and certainly doesn't take anything away from the fact that men can suffer from a lack of intimacy or sexual experience. If anything, these are two sides of the same coin, not competing issues. Whether one is worse than the other is also completely subjective, and just becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 07:56 PM
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What's even more sinister to me is this justification that these women use, in that it's for their "safety" to gossip or publicly shame guys like this, when it's clear that is has nothing to do with their safety or the safety of others. Not just because antagonizing and publicly shaming people doesn't really make them safer(if those men were as unhinged as they are presented to be, that would just be enticing them, escalating and endangering themselves), but because it's clear that these attempt…
/r/MensRights13/01/26 03:39 PM
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Feminists often fail to acknowledge that the world is a much safer space for them when it comes to views and opinions. The reality is that women can effectively hold toxic and hateful views, and most men will still want to sleep with them, most women will still accept them and no one will just physically assault them, or cheer for their death, for holding the wrong views. Men also do not weaponize their sexuality to push certain political ideologies or identities on women, the way women often do…
/r/MensRights12/01/26 03:55 PM
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Feminists will complain that women are oppressed because of "patriarchy" and argue that they just want equality, then turn around and expect men to pay for everything like their fathers, accept them completely and unconditionally like their fathers, protect them like their fathers, provide for them like their fathers, make all the plans and lead like their fathers, know everything and never have to be taught like their fathers, be taller like their fathers were(growing up), tolerate all of their…
/r/MensRights10/01/26 07:19 PM
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They'll objectify and shame men for a lot more than just their height. Height just happens to be the most obvious and prevalent one. You can see it pretty well with Trump, where most of the attacks you see from women against him are directed at the way he looks, whether it be his age, his skin color, his weight, his mannerisms or his assumed dick size.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/26 05:14 PM
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Of course. So many of what qualifies as women's issues wouldn't even be issues if women just didn't hate men or resent attention from men. Catcalling, for example, would be a complete non-issue if women were simply never raised to perceive or respond to overt attention from men as hostility or gross aversion. It's just one of the many ways women attack men for their sexuality, while they have no issues seeing the same behaviors(or worse) from women. Women often like to make the point that men ar…
/r/MensRights10/01/26 05:12 PM
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Imagine if a man was that giddy and excited to show the world how much he's looking forward to getting his future daughter's labia surgically removed. People would label him a child predator and psychopath.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/01/26 05:04 PM
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They're trying to define hate by the way they perceive themselves to be treated, without context, but this is not what women's hatred of men really looks like. Men are not telling women that they are only good for reproduction, that is the hateful lie women tell themselves about men to rationalize their hatred of men. Men love women, completely and unconditionally, and find value in just about anything women do. What hatred also looks from women is telling men they are only made to provide for t…
/r/EverydayMisandry09/01/26 03:44 PM
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No, you're not attacking the position. You're attacking the poster, which I am acknowledging(not the same thing as being defensive). You believe that an opinion is false because it comes from a lack of experience, but that is a position of ego. That is your personal assertion of "I have some experience, therefor anyone who doesn't think like me must be wrong because they lack experience". It's poor reasoning and very narrow-minded. The fact that I can hold this position, not only despite my expe…
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:56 PM
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Seems like a troll post or, at the very least, someone who is coming at this from a position that has already been heavily indoctrinated by feminist rhetoric. Please explain how women experience structural and interpersonal harm, and use paragraphs.
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:30 PM
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It is quite literally just chauvinism or, for lack of a better term, benevolent sexism. A lot of female bonding is also very much based on a mutual or shared prejudice towards men, which is also very much socially accepted and normalized(especially among women, partially because they do see it as something to bond over with other women).
/r/MensRights08/01/26 03:27 PM
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Once or twice a week, depending on who I run into. This is kind of a pointless question though. You're literally just trying to create some kind of adhonimem.
/r/MensRights07/01/26 05:29 AM
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Almost every day. Most of my social circle is women.
/r/MensRights06/01/26 09:09 PM
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A lot of that "sisterhood" is just women bonding over their shared hatred or prejudice towards men. It's just chauvinism with a pretty bow on it. It's not something that should be emulated. Women are also very competitive with each other, it just looks very different. The ways men are competitive with each other are also mainly due to the way men are expected to compete for female attention. Generally speaking, if you have a group of five men and a group of five women, the women will look at the…
/r/MensRights06/01/26 04:08 PM
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It's nice to see these two in a headline again. Feels like they fell off the face of the internet. Great talk though.
/r/MensRights05/01/26 07:02 PM
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Me too. There is just so much of it, it's actually overwhelming some times. It's even worse when I see women in my personal life, many of which may be friends, relatives, potential romances or partners promote all kinds of misandric content. A lot of which can be incredibly dehumanizing, hateful and even violent. What's even crazier is how much people still try to argue that misandry is not a problem, both systematically and at an individual level, when it is clearly widespread enough to get tha…
/r/MensRights05/01/26 06:57 PM
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These are the same women who will say misandry doesn't kill, btw.
/r/MensRights03/01/26 05:08 AM
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Ladies stay happy because they benefit from unconditional love, support and attention from men, and they never really have to be lonely unless they want to be because of it. They're happy because they live in a culture that prioritizes their happiness and provides every means of support to make them happy. They're happy because get to enjoy all kinds of privileges that are not available to men, and will never really have to feel the kind of isolation, expectation and vilification that men experi…
/r/EverydayMisandry31/12/25 03:31 PM
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Virgin shaming happens because men are viewed as having a lower value when they fail to successfully bed other women, and because women objectify men not just as success objects but as objects of instant gratification. They want men to be able to make them orgasm with little to no effort on their end, on the first try, regardless of any pressure or expectation, which is all pretty dehumanizing but also a very selfish, sexist and cold approach to sex as well. It's also not that they think less of…
/r/MensRights31/12/25 03:23 PM
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women are not any less violent. They may commit fewer acts of violence on average but that is because they have fewer reasons to be violent, because men already provide wealth, abundance and unconditional attention for them. If you erased all the men from the earth, and women would have to start competing against each other, they would slowly adopt the qualities that men have had to adopt in order to survive and cater to women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:09 PM
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That's pretty messed up. Imagine if any kind of official text book just had some line about "if you put all black people in cryogenic sleep for a while, you would reduce all crime by 66%". It's so ridiculous and blatantly oblivious to the reality that most of the crimes committed by men are a result of poor social treatment, strong expectations of protection/provision, and poor mental health as a result of the former two.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/25 11:07 PM
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Gillette tried to gamble by using misandry to appeal to a female consumer base and hoping onto a hateful bandwagon that presents itself as progress.
/r/MensRights29/12/25 03:48 PM
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It's incredibly reductive of men's issues and diminishing the impact of "not getting laid" is something that comes off incredibly tone deaf from people who never really have to worry about not getting laid in the first place because they benefit from so much social privilege when it comes to sex/dating. Sexuality is a large part of the human experience, intimacy is a fundamental human need. Women not only have a much easier time receiving these things from men, with no real expectations in retur…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/25 03:46 PM
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You forget expectations of protection(not just in being strong but always putting her safety/wellbeing above his), expectations of provision(paying for dates, chasing, covering other expenses), hypergamy(only viewing men of higher status/income, like a father would be, as viable sexual partners), heightism(only seeing men taller than them, like a father would be, as viable sexual partners), the expectation on men to put in most of the emotional labor and accept them unconditionally and tolerate …
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/25 03:26 PM
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This should be pretty evident to anyone who is actually paying attention. Most of the hatred against porn is inherently driven by a vilification of male heterosexuality, which is is driven by a hatred of men. You can see in the way that people go after porn, and carefully only going after what men might enjoy, that it has nothing to do with protecting men from porn and everything to do with shaming or attacking men for having a sexuality(more so on the feminist side) and failing to chase/pander …
/r/MensRights29/12/25 03:17 PM
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The problem with this argument is threefold. One, it ignores social/cultural factors, two it ignores the fact that gun violence committed by women towards men is often viewed more favorably or as self-defense(even when it isn't), and it ignores the type of gun violence that is committed by men in the service of women. The reality is that there is a much bigger expectation played on men to be strong or protectors to women, and it is considerably greater than the expectation placed on women to pro…
/r/MensRights27/12/25 05:01 PM
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is it boy math if these are just things that shallow/superficial women care about? Most of these things have nothing to do with each other, but you can see the desperation in trying to link them together to "get one on the boys".
/r/EverydayMisandry23/12/25 03:40 PM
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Women use the existence of violence from men as a way to justify any and all forms of misandry, or crusading against men. They will go after the most minor acts of misogyny, like kitchen jokes, as if it were a matter of life and death, when it is clearly just a matter of ego. They will try to justify avoidance and deception, which has everything to do with ego and being unable/unwilling to handle hard or awkward situations, and then project this idea that it is for their safety when they were ne…
/r/MensRights23/12/25 03:33 PM
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The argument of safety is often a cover for prejudice and discrimination. If someone was to say "I don't feel safe around black people", it would be very easy for people to recognize that this is a racist mindset and that it's not actually rooted in a legitimate concern for one's safety but in a projection of danger/threat based on skin color. If someone clutched their purse around a black woman, and then gave a false excuse(blatantly lying to them) because of the color of her skin, people would…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 06:24 PM
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I don't think this sub is officially right or left leaning. It's pretty neutral when it comes to American politics. There's a lot of good and bad from both sides of the American political spectrum. It doesn't really seem all that productive to call the right or the left "enemies" outright. Keep in mind too that a lot of anti-right from the left is rooted in misandry too, as they associate the party, or its lip service to men through traditional ideals of masculinity, with men and therefor someth…
/r/MensRights22/12/25 03:31 PM
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This is one analogy that you brought up to support your argument, which I am addressing. There's plenty of other analogies or examples that could be made on the matter. Calling everyone here idiots doesn't really prove them to be idiots, it just demonstrates your lack of empathy and understanding. Just go back to your eco chamber. Profiting? Who is profiting from this? Social media personalities? And you don't think there's just as many, if not more, people profiting from misandry or feminist rh…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/12/25 06:29 PM
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It's even worse when you consider that the past that a lot of feminists refer to is actually revisionist history, and didn't actually happen the way they present it or just did not happen at all.
/r/MensRights20/12/25 06:23 PM
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Male loneliness is not caused by other men. Men, for the most part, are quite content with their friendships with other men. They are lonely because there's in inequality in the way relationships work between men and women. Men are expected to pursue, while nothing is expected of women. If you had any degree of common sense, it would actually be quite obvious and self-evident to you that this would have cascading negative consequences for men and positive ones for women. It's very hard to be lon…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/25 09:12 PM
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Misogyny is not systemic. People who are critical of women, let alone actively hate on women, are generally quickly shamed and ostracized. Every single form of violence is considered worse when done to a woman. There are laws against discrimination against women, and they are enforced fairly aggressively. AI, social media, popular media all take extreme care to avoid or remove all forms of negative bias against women. Most of the people who are accused of hating women are not even hating women b…
/r/MensRights19/12/25 09:07 PM
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There is no "patriarchy", just a lot of women who want to stay children in their relationships, and who romanticize men who will act like their fathers(which is why you see women often valuing height, status, money/provision, strength and aggression). It's not even nature, it's just unchecked egos, insecurities and a cycle of social expectations placed on men to make up for women's own inadequacies and entitlements. It is still women who hold most of the power and privilege though, because this …
/r/MensRights19/12/25 06:50 PM
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You could make the argument that we're well versed in feminism or that we might be women's rights advocates by nature but I would not call us feminists by nature at all. There is a lot of nasty and sexist beliefs you have to hold and maintain in order to be a feminists, and a lot of revisionist history and biases that you have to hold on to in order to justify the label.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/25 03:23 PM
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"Men are like children" should already tell you all you need to know about this person and the kind of mentality they come to this conversation with. Not just because it's a pretty stupid and sexist generalization but because it shows a clear bias in how they even judge those actions to begin with. A lot of the things that men do, which they get labelled as "children" for by women, are things that many women do without judgement or reproach from men. It also shows a clear inability to recognize …
/r/MensRights19/12/25 03:20 PM
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It is a false argument. One of many others which are twisted or fabricated to support this narrative of female victimhood. Women can suffer from chronic illness, just as men do. It does not mean that they are being targeted or neglected. There is no patriarchy, only women romanticizing men who take on the roles and responsibilities of their fathers. There are millions of people dealing with unemployment, lack of health care and inequity, and most of those are men. It's not a "distraction" to try…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/25 03:16 PM
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This is pretty sad, because the reality is that porn is not actually causing any real confusion about what is real or what isn't. You know this is especially targeted at men because society chooses to vilify male sexuality and enforce gender expectations on men to accommodate women in their own sexist entitlements when it comes to sex and dating. Never mind the fact that social media and dating apps has far worse effects negative effects on dating or sexual expectations, or promotes considerably…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/25 05:32 PM
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Imagine being in a society where women still expect you to pay for everything, and to make more money than them or you're a loser, and then being told that all you're additional efforts to make up for that don't matter and you should just be paid less or replaced by women anyway, just because your company wants to give women further preferential treatment. And then being told you live in a patriarchy. What a clown world.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/25 05:23 PM
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This is kind of a false argument. The fact that scientific studies use men more often as their test subjects only goes to further indicate that men are viewed as more disposable or that men are more desperate(another result of social inequality). It has nothing to do with wanting to keep women down or unhealthy, and everything to do with cutting costs and avoiding potential public pushback from people who would have an issue about testing on women.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/12/25 05:18 PM
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Even if the numbers were as one-sided, which they aren't, this would still be an awful comparison. There's a big difference between money going towards food/shelter, real life necessities, and money going toward R&D.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/12/25 03:50 PM
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There's plenty of misandry in fandoms dominated by women, it's just not recognized/identified properly. There's plenty of racism, heightism and other forms of prejudices when it comes to fandoms dominated by women too, it also just doesn't get recognized as such because of this "girls will be girls" effect and "it's not racist/prejudice if it's personal preference" rationalization. It's all just presented differently.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/12/25 03:42 PM
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Keep in mind that a lot of the ways women tend to practice aggression or kill their partners often also won't even show up in domestic abuse statistics because they are often not recognized as such. Reminds me of a video posted not too long ago where a man was driving and his girlfriend, pissed at him, pulls on the wheel and causes them to have an accident. That was a form of violence too. She intentionally put his life in danger. He could have died but she also caused a great deal of damage to …
/r/MensRights17/12/25 03:38 PM
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Unironically, the other way around. Men love women, completely and unconditionally, and you can see this in how much they do for them. It is men's love, affection, acts of service and sexuality which are demonized by women. It is women presenting men's desires as consumption(and rewarding men who think this way), it is women presenting their own contributions to relationships as servitude and it is women presenting their own companionship as being equivalent to pets to men. These are all project…
/r/EverydayMisandry17/12/25 03:35 PM
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Exactly. Not only do men often get into these positions for female approval/respect, and greater sexual opportunities, but their success is generally directly tied to how well they can present to women as well. Politicians that are unpopular with women don't generally do well. These are men taking on positions that women generally do not want to pursue, and who are generally chasing the approval and interests of women.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 08:40 PM
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There's a massive bias in the way these crimes are policed and perceived, which leads men being viewed as the perpetrators more often than not. This then turns into statistics that people use to justify the bias and further target men as perpetrators. The reality though, is that women tend to initiate violence too, they often show aggression in all kinds of ways that often don't show up on reports, and often over/falsify reports in order to victimize men using law enforcement against them. Men a…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 08:36 PM
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A woman ironically demonstrating that she sucks, is cruel, promotes hatred, violence and selfishness, and cannot be trusted with power.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/12/25 03:15 PM
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Most men and women don't even confront disrespect from women. Now men are also expected to confront "disrespect" from other men as well, which may not even be disrespect but just things that women do not like or rooted in bias/prejudice against men.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 03:06 PM
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You shouldn't support businesses that are built and promoted on female chauvinism but that doesn't mean that the answer is just to support the same thing done by men. I wouldn't support any business that sells itself on "built by a man" or "male owned business" either.
/r/MensRights12/12/25 09:15 PM
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"Patriarchy" is effectively women wanting to behave like privileged children, so they use the power they have over men to reward whichever men will enable their behaviors and take the responsibilities they don't want to take. It is them picking and choosing the father figures they want, to their own benefit. It is not men oppressing women, because it's still women who have all the power. It is gender inequality enabled and perpetuated by women, for their own benefit. We live in a gynarchy, not a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/25 04:06 PM
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It's crazy to me that feminists can still make these arguments that we live in a patriarchy, when it is clear that every aspect of society is meant to protect and serve women. Like, if I had to picture what a society dominated by women looks like, it would be men treated like second class citizens who's lives are worth less, it would be men being expected to do all of the hard emotional, romantic, social, physical, political and professional labor. It would be women effectively getting away with…
/r/MensRights11/12/25 02:45 PM
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It's not that don't love their sons, it's that mothers just do not understand the problems. They have never experienced dating as a man. They have never experienced misandry from women. They don't actually know what it takes to be successful in dating as a man, because every relationship they've been in came to them with very little effort on their end. From their perspective it was all seamless. They don't understand how brutal the selective empathy really is, or how their sons might be treated…
/r/MensRights10/12/25 04:13 PM
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There's plenty of groups like this, except it's less so about rape and more so about just physical violence usually. Or, when men are depicted as being raped, it's presented as a joke. There's plenty of gynocentric groups on reddit that are comparable to this kind of stuff, and most of it is viewed completely differently because it's perpetuated by women. TwoXC is full of hate. SRS was full of hate. Subs from sex workers are full of hate and tips on how to better victimize men.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/12/25 03:55 PM
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Being treated the way men treat women would be a significant step above the way women treat men now.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/12/25 03:50 PM
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If someone experiences assault or harassment from a black person, they are not then justified in being racist against black people. Every man has negative experiences with women, and yet they would never be allowed to be misogynistic as a response. The hypothetical also has very little to do with women experiencing trauma, because a lot of the women perpetuating the hate never actually faced any trauma. They just did it to jump on a hate wagon or out of spite against men, or because they can jus…
/r/MensRights10/12/25 03:49 PM
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It's a matter of major bias and attitude favoring women. Every bad thing that women do is considered to be a lesser issue or excused as "girls being girls", any bad thing that men do is considered an attack on women from all men.
/r/MensRights10/12/25 03:46 PM
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They don't go hand in hand, at all because there's nothing really wrong with male friendships in the first place. The idea that they do is often just a poor attempt to deflect from the issues men face or try to just push the blame on men, if not as an excuse to not care or as a way to further fault/vilify men. It is not a real argument. Men's friendships might often seem different to women's but it is not actually "inferior" or lacking. It is only perceived that way by chauvinistic women who loo…
/r/MensRights08/12/25 02:36 AM
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They won't care about the why. They just want to vilify men and use these numbers to justify their hatred of men. They don't care about the fact that men are subjected to far more violence, across the board, which in turn predisposes them to violence. They don't care about the mental health struggles that men face, that men are under far more societal pressure(money, status, reputation, etc), or that men hardened by the way society treats them. They won't care that these numbers will be heavily …
/r/MensRights01/12/25 03:45 AM
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Of course they matter more to men. Men are not socially, romantically or sexually desired the way women are. The entire dating culture revolves around forcing men to chase women, which immediately puts women in a position of power and abundance. Money also matters more to people who don't have it. Food also matters to people who don't have it. Shelter also matters to people who don't have it. This has nothing to do with men not having supportive enough friendships, this has everything to do with…
/r/MensRights01/12/25 02:04 AM
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A lot of women don't really seem to understand the amount of privilege that they have as women to even be political in the first place. That they are in a position to be so openly vocal and contradictory to the status quo, regardless of the position(even it is openly hateful and bigoted), because they are women. They ignore the reality that consequences are just not the same for them, because they are women. There wouldn't really be a social or sexual cost to them, because men would still accept…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/11/25 05:33 PM
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Did you just create an account to spout off non-sense? Men respect women just fine, and most of the men who struggle with women actually respect women very much. If women are having a hard time finding men who respect them, it's because they're not looking or they're going out of their way to seek out the ones that don't respect them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 03:57 PM
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People can't even understand how discrimination and blatant hatred or prejudice against men is misandry. Until they fix that problem, of course they will continue to think misandry doesn't exist. If you they can justify the misandry then they just won't see it as misandry. Look at that poisoned chocolate or bear/man in the woods thing, those are two very clear examples of prejudice towards men that are being rationalized by women, yet are clearly hateful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 03:54 PM
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Why wouldn't I be a little aggressive towards someone who intentionally tries to derail and disrupt with hateful and ignorant rhetoric? If you want specific examples, this sub is full of them. You are more than welcomed to read some, instead of coming into this subject with the assumption that people just don't know what feminism is.
/r/MensRights25/11/25 04:31 PM
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if you think "toxic masculinity" is to blame for men not feeling safe enough to open up about things, you have already lost the plot and you are very much part of the problem. Men fear opening up to people like you, because you weaponize their very gender against them. That is not coming from a good or rational place, you are very much not a safe place for men.
/r/MensRights25/11/25 04:49 AM
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Men are raised their entire lives to have unconditional love and acceptance for women, which includes having unconditional tolerance for not only their lack of unconditional love and acceptance for men, but their hatred and contempt of men as well. There's so much that is wrong with the way women see men, and so much that is wrong in how society treats men and expects them to take on for women. Even just the burden of initiation being placed on men has massive cascading repercussions for men tha…
/r/MensRights25/11/25 04:47 AM
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The problem is that there are many things that should be recognized as androcide which are not, and many things which are being presented as femicide when they are not. A man killing his female partner is not killing her because she is a woman, he is killing her because he is mentally unwell(which could be linked to many other factors and results of systematic misandry) and heterosexual relationships are still largely the norm(which means that if that man was to murder a partner, it would most l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/25 04:36 AM
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Men just have an unconditional love and acceptance for women, and women do not for men. They are raised to hate men, because it is ingrained in every aspect of culture and because it's never actually called out the way it needs to be. Women support each other in their misandry, and men have too much to lose to call it out. They also get to maintain this type of disdain for men, because they know men will continue to accept and tolerate them no matter what. A lot of this also simply comes down to…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/11/25 07:07 PM
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Men with a conscience understand that misandry affects all men.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/11/25 07:02 PM
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I don't think this woman is going to actually face any jail time. She will get off with significantly less, because she is a woman. Maybe a couple months or community service.
/r/MensRights24/11/25 07:01 PM
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This is wrong. The two major rhetoric from mainstream are either right wing, which is "it's men's fault for not being 'real men', men should just shut up and act like a 'traditional' stereotype, and then women will fall in line", and left wing, which is "It's men's fault they're lonely because they just hate women, they suck and women are just better". Neither is correct. Neither is particularly healthy or good for men. One offers slavery, the other offers desolation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 03:39 PM
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The way women treat, value and interact with men most definitely falls on women. It is both a systemic issue and an issue driven by women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 03:35 PM
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This is still very wrong though. At best, it's maybe "kind of half right". The reality is that there are many systemic social issues that are disproportionately affecting men. Gender discrimination against men when it comes to finding homes/rental, finding jobs, building relationships, being accepted into certain social circles, etc. These are all real effects that are not necessarily be solely driven by women, but what is solely driven by women are hypergamic expectations, unrealistic expectati…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/25 03:33 PM
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They are, by virtually every metric. Wake up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/25 04:49 PM
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Not only are the laws biased against men, but the people who report the crimes, witness the crimes and the men who are victimized by it would all also be less likely to report the crimes as well. I've had women grab my ass many times in my life, often in front of many people who all thought it was no big deal because it was a woman who did it to a man. How can I really go after someone who doesn't even understand that what they did is wrong, because they have been so systematically brainwashed i…
/r/MensRights12/11/25 05:16 AM
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feminists and non-feminists alike are still trying to impose a definition of what a "real man" is supposed to be onto men. It has never gone away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/25 05:02 AM
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Not only does that not prevent all false rape cases, but it is effectively just telling men to condemn themselves to a sexless and loveless life. That is not even living. You may as well be telling men to go get castrated. Being a "good boy" doesn't mean you don't have feelings or desires, or that you don't want to experience life. Desexualization is dehumanization, and this kind of argument is trying to gaslight men into embracing their own abuse and suffering.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/25 02:15 PM
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Thing is, even if this man had been a robber, I still don't think a punch like that would have been justified. You can try to detain, maybe, but outright assault is another thing entirely. If it had been a woman trying to rob a man, no one would be finding it so easy or acceptable to just outright punch a woman in the face for a suitcase. They would try to detain first. The only reason they thought it was okay to punch him is because violence against men is normalized.
/r/MensRights10/11/25 02:09 PM
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It's crazy how quickly people are to inject an aspect of racism where there is no indication whatsoever that race was a factor. It really shows just how quick people are to downplay gender issues against men when they can just blame it on race. Things would have played out the exact same if it had been a white man holding his bag, or a black man coming in to save a woman making the claim she's being robbed.
/r/MensRights10/11/25 02:04 PM
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How men are objectified will often play a role in how they are victimized as well. Another example you will often see with heightism or just views based on overall size. When a shorter or smaller man is victimized, whether by a woman or another man, people will often look at the smaller man as being deserving of that abuse because he is smaller. Women especially, will care less about the abuse because it is happening to a man they already find less attractive, especially if it is performed by a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/25 11:52 PM
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Excessive force by police has always been a gendered issue first, a color issue second. It's only because people refuse to recognize misandry that it's been made into a color issue. The expectations of provision also hit those men harder too, because many forms of racism would have impacted their ability to provide as well. I think because black men tend to be objectified more, and romanticized more often over common stereotypes/features by women, that they have it easier in some ways, and that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/25 04:09 PM
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Women stay single out of entitlement, lack of self-awareness, ego, prejudice, unrealistic expectations and a lack of investment/effort. That choice is them choosing to be awful to men, while expecting everything from them. That choice is them putting no effort, while expecting men to put in every effort. No man has any problem understanding this. They see it, hear it and live it. Men understand that women live in a state of privilege, and that those women have no interest in actually doing anyth…
/r/EverydayMisandry07/11/25 03:56 PM
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The difference is it's so normalized that they won't see anything wrong with it, even if you call it out and break it down for them. They'll get defensive, they'll call you insecure(i.e. not a real man), they'll say you hate women or they'll remind you that all their girlfriends agree with them, so that means you're in the wrong. This isn't really anything new but the reality is that Misandry is everywhere. It's in every form of popular and social media there is. I cannot open my instagram or fa…
/r/MensRights07/11/25 03:38 PM
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They're not just covering up each other's wrong doings, they are encouraging each other's wrong doings. It is ridiculous the amount of times I've seen women use the "I asked my friends about this and they all think the same way I do, therefore what I think must be objective and true" fallacy, as if that was a legitimate form of argument. Even just today, one of my female friends posted a video on social media and her entire argument was "me and my friends all agree that men suck, therefor there'…
/r/MensRights05/11/25 04:22 AM
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What? This NBA analogy is really one of the worst analogies I've heard. If you wanted to apply it correctly, it would be more like someone saying that it's very common for people to make millions playing basketball, just because NBA players exist. It's not common, it's not the norm and it's not realistic for someone to casually think that it's the norm or even something that attainable without a great deal of luck or physical advantages. Every normal male has had at least 5 women in his life by …
/r/MensRights05/11/25 04:14 AM
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When a man and woman are mutually attracted to each other, a woman will make it so easy for the man a drunken monkey would have the social skills to take her. A man that's genuinely sexually attracted to a woman damn near can't help keep his hands off her. This is not really a realistic scenario when you consider that most women do not find most men attractive, and would only really do this for a very small fraction of hyper attractive men. Most women still wait for men to approach them first, a…
/r/MensRights04/11/25 10:44 PM
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Because there's so many inherent biases and inequalities that comes with the subject of dating, most of which are still very much prevalent today. From this idea that it's a man's job to pursue, to this idea that it's always a man's failure when things don't happen, the idea that men must come ready to perform and perform well, or this idea that men have to navigate every single possible social or emotional test, or lack of social/emotional skill, in women in order to make things happen. All of …
/r/MensRights03/11/25 05:16 PM
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It was simply just a matter of being growing aware of just how much gender inequality is actually happening and how much misandry is normalized, from both the mainstream and from the feminist movement. From a very young age, I was raised to treat women as equals and to always consider gender equality to be a worthy goal, mainly by women who wanted all the perks of gender equality but none of the detriments. Then, as I grew older and realized how much of the male bashing and male shaming is going…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/25 10:20 PM
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boys are forced into child marriages too, men are raped too, adult women have sex with underage boys too. Nothing you are pointing is particularly unique to women. It might happen to women more, but that is almost entirely a result of gender dynamics, social expectations and male disposability. I am not trying to change the script, I'm trying to get people to look at the whole picture instead of the one-sided picture they created in their heads that only looks at the issues effecting women and i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 04:41 PM
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The idea that men objectify women by being physically attracted to their bodies is, inherently, a way to shame men for their sexuality and control who they share their attention/resources to. It is not only a form of heterophobia but it is also a way to dehumanize men for even having a sexuality in the first place. It's okay for straight men to find female traits in women visually stimulating or engaging. It is biology. This is not something that should ever be shamed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/25 04:36 PM
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Women do not have it harder with grief, they simply have more room to be allowed to express grief. Men cannot express their grief, without it affecting them in all kinds of negative ways which wouldn't normally affect women. Men who grieve over break ups with women, for example, are called weak, pathetic, obsessed, unmasculine and/or childish. Women who grieve over break ups with men, even when it's expressed in the most toxic and destructive of manners, are given every single free pass. It won'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 09:52 PM
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Misandry isn't even a problem of extremists, it's widespread and entirely normalized. Most people don't even realize how most of their beliefs are inherently hateful towards men, because they come so naturally to them, despite the fact that most of their beliefs would never pass the "if the genders were reversed, would this be okay" test.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 09:45 PM
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The definition itself is kind of non-sense, because racism and sexism are just as much problems of intent as they are of actions. How power is defined is also very subjective, and anyone can have power over others. People can also have situational power over each other. It's rarely ever just a one-way street. Power can be a matter of size, numbers, age, knowledge, position, capability or propensity for harm. The idea that ism's are adopted by the majority is also some times entirely subjective. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/25 02:33 PM
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This is delusional. It's not just about validation or the chase but connection, and it's a part of us regardless of whether social media exists or not. A lot of great men became great because they were suffering, and because they believed that in becoming great they would become worthy of love and ease that suffering. You can still love yourself and be lonely.
/r/MensRights28/10/25 02:58 PM
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Shaming language to enable their own sexist egos and entitlements. Apparently, it's okay for them to wait for men to make the first move, even though men have every incentive not too and the risk is much higher, but not okay for men to wait for women to make the first move, even though women have far lower risks of rejection and men don't reject women with the same hostility at all. Make it make sense. All these women are really doing is using sexism and misandry to shame men into placating to t…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/10/25 01:13 PM
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Always have been, as long as it was a gender role that favored women.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/10/25 01:10 PM
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It is misandry. It's literally just a matter of treating men as disposable and presenting women as more valuable or worthy of protection than men. The crazy thing about this too is that you also have feminists on the other end of this, trying to present this as an issue of misogyny(when they bother to acknowledge the issue at all) by presenting this problem as being "men think of women as children, therefore it is misogyny", when not only is that not the case but it is a pretty awful/misandric s…
/r/MensRights24/10/25 01:02 PM
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A lot of the anti-Trump rhetoric is just misandry. Most of the attacks against him are against him because he is a man. A woman doing all of the same things would not have the same kind of reactions at all, or at least the attacks made against her would look completely different.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:49 PM
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Of course, gender dynamics play a huge role in women's confidence. Not just in getting free attention everywhere they go but getting their way far more often than not, because they are women. Confidence is built through persistent positive reinforcement, and women get that from men every day. They also get used to having their way, because men are often too scared to fight back or just culturally or emotionally predisposed to doing things for them(and, of course, because they want to have sex wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/25 02:44 PM
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Cat lady is basically a lighter version of femcel. It usually signifies a great level of misandry, or negative predisposition towards men, or a failure in relationships, which is only made worse by the fact that women operate from a position of absolute privilege when it comes to relationships.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:38 PM
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That doesn't contradict what I said. It's certainly a part of it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:25 PM
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Some Ukrainian women are still out in other countries and using their privilege and influence as women to fundraise, raise awareness and advocate for Ukraine, so there definitely some good that comes from it. That being said though, if the men are expected to fight, then so should the women. People give women a free pass because they are valued but you know they would be labelled as cowards if they were men trying to leave too.
/r/MensRights21/10/25 02:22 PM
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One very clear indication that feminism is not about equality, is the fact that it completely fails to reinforce the idea that women need to initiate with men and treat them fairly in a romantic/dating setting, if not simply because that would be the fair and equal thing to do, and because it would work to address a massive amount of systematic privilege that benefits women and cascades into every other aspect of life/society. It's also very clear that all of the issues women face in dating, inh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/25 03:42 AM
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It's really not the same. Men get portrayed as creeps sometimes simply for existing. A guy could be sitting at a bar alone and not talking to anyone, and women would just instantly think worse of him because of it and call him a creep. A woman could grab a man's ass or sexually objectify/assault him, and he could call it out, but no one would actually care.
/r/MensRights20/10/25 07:43 PM
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This kind of statement is generally just rooted in misandry and a general dismissal of gender roles and expectations, and the inherent privilege that women are granted when it comes to sex and dating. Most men already treat women as people, and there are plenty of conventionally attractive men who do not treat women as people and still get a lot of action. The main issue here is that, because women generally never initiate and rely on a system that tells men that they have to approach, initiate …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:39 PM
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Most doctors do not really give a crap about men either, it's typically just that men accept that easier than women. There's effectively an internalized sense of male disposability among men, and a fear of showing weakness, that leads to men sort of just accepting medical indifference or even negligence. Most doctors tend to over book and under serve in general, trying to maximize profit by seeing more people and putting in the least amount of effort for each patient. This applies to both men an…
/r/MensRights20/10/25 07:20 PM
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Firstly, you can still advocate for gender equality in those countries without filtering everything through the lens of feminist theory. You can have a neutral approach to gender equality, even in those places, without feminism. Secondly, do you not realize that things are that way in those places, because they would all consider it a failure, in their men and their society, to see women having to work or having to face the harshness or violence of their world? Men in those countries don't have …
/r/MensRights17/10/25 04:07 PM
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It loses a lot of it's power when you realize that they use these types of sexist gendered slurs against men because it fits into their false narrative. You could be married or with someone, you could have hundreds of female friends, you could treat women with more kindness or equality than most, and they would still call you an incel because it's all they can do. They project this incel image because, in their mind, female approval is the only thing that gives men value. It is inherently demons…
/r/MensRights17/10/25 03:54 PM
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People still think that when men get defensive when they're called gay or feminine, it's because men hate women or because they're scared of being treated the way men treat women. When, in reality, it has everything to do with men being scared of being rejected, vilified or isolated, as men often are, and treated the way women treat men they're not attracted to. Feminism teaches people to twist everything into misogyny, and to disregard all forms of misandry.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/10/25 03:06 PM
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Imagine if the roles were reversed though, how insane of a strategy it would be to be this openly misogynistic. It's so disturbing how much misandry has not only been normalized like this but actually used to fuel chauvinism platforms as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/25 02:49 PM
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I have never seen, in the entire history of feminism, a single act of activism done with even the slightest bit of consideration for how they affect men, or how social structures should be changed because they are unfair to men. When men and women fought for women's universal right to vote, women opposed it because they didn't want to be burdened with the responsibility of military service. They never actually fought to be equal, recognizing that mandatory service for the right to vote was unfai…
/r/MensRights16/10/25 05:23 PM
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The biggest issue with feminism is that it no one actually ever truly calls out the misandry that it's founded on, if not specifically because that misandry is so ingrained into the general consensus and culture already. Feminism is a cancer that is tolerated, romanticized and allowed to spread because we live in a gynarchy. It is simply a product of female chauvinism and toxic femininity left unchecked.
/r/MensRights15/10/25 07:33 PM
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It's manipulation and heterophobia, and it's very common. Women will often attack men for this preference or make false comparisons to women's obsession with height in order to validate toxic expectations or hard gender roles. It's just about controlling men and their sexual preferences. They will rationalize the obsession with height by saying tall men are more masculine, which is an entirely arbitrary social construct that they are just perpetuating, while attack men for not being attracted to…
/r/MensRights14/10/25 03:11 PM
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It should be pretty clear to anyone with eyes that it's effectively women who control most relationships, and have most of the influence over culture and policy. You can argue that it's "men at the top" but those men only got to those positions because they either had something to prove(typically to women) or because they were bread into a role that was expected of them by women. They get to the top by being hypercompetitive, and they become hypercompetitive because that is what it takes for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 04:42 PM
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Men are generally competitive because they have to be. Most men experience a scarcity of opportunity and outcome when it comes to sex/dating, that women simply do not experience because of this culture that expects men to pursue women and see them as the prize. Men are also often judged on their ability to lead, and women often assume that men with close friendships are less independent and capable to lead. This creates a very strong pressure on men to be more independent. Men still try to suppo…
/r/MensRights08/10/25 03:05 AM
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Other men are not the reason why we need a men's rights movement. This is very off-base and a blatant attempt to vilify men.
/r/MensRights08/10/25 02:57 AM
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This seems like a troll post, or speaking from ignorance. Most men are not actually that cruel to each other. The very few times when they are, it's usually out of competition(putting them down in order to elevate themselves, typically for social proofing or female attention) or crime related. A lot of what you describe is not unique to men either. Women are far more likely to just take another woman's side(if not out of misandry or chauvinism, then out of self-interest). Men also often end up t…
/r/MensRights08/10/25 02:56 AM
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The economy and education are not inherently gendered. Homelessness. Why does what should be a class issue look like a gendered issue? Exactly, they very much are hand in hand. For many reasons. When a man loses his job, he doesn't just lose his income, his loses his identity, he loses the ability to "provide", and he loses his status as a viable romantic/sexual partner. He would generally be regarded far more negatively, or more of a burden, than a woman would in the same situation. When a woma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 07:49 PM
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I think you are very wrong in dismissing a lot of the ways these issues actually connect. Ironically, ignoring the ways these issues connect, inherently dismisses their underlying shared causes. A random person calling men trash on twitter isn't just about her calling men trash, it's also about all the other people who like, support, repeats or tolerates that kind of misandry in the first place. Not only is that caused by misandry being enabled but people seeing these comments getting that kind …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/25 07:35 PM
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Not only are there plenty of women out there who would and have asked for preferential treatment because they are women, but the reality is that most of the women who did sign up voluntarily probably wouldn't have if it weren't for other forms of preferential treatment to begin with either. It's easy to say "I didn't ask for this" while you are fully taking advantage of something that was freely given to you. A lot of women will say "I've never asked for preferential treatment" when it comes to …
/r/MensRights06/10/25 06:17 PM
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You can't really expect too much accountability or self-awareness from these people. They are extremists, they have never really been held accountable for their views, and they have plenty of other women there to validate their prejudices and projections.
/r/MensRights03/10/25 05:47 PM
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Men want love too. The differences is that, not only do men not have access to sex the way women do but men must also become experienced and well-versed with sex in order to find love as well, and women do not. Women read romance novel because they are turned on by the settings and the characters. It's still very much about sex. You cannot have a relationship with a book or a fictional character, and a lot of what they read in those books is often incredibly harmful, toxic and sexist as well. Th…
/r/MensRights03/10/25 05:43 PM
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Dating choices that are based on sexist expectations are not actually "personal preferences". They are generally rooted in misandry, more about social appearances/conditioning and very much are a men's rights issue. There's a difference between saying "I don't like that women negatively judge me for being short or because I'm not rich" and "I am entitled to a girlfriend", and it's a pretty disgusting, and very dishonest, argument to try to treat those two things as the same.
/r/MensRights03/10/25 05:34 PM
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I see it all the time. Little comments or negative stereotypes put up against men for being short, being quiet or being inexperienced. I've also seen some women make a lot of racial statements about men, regarding how well they fuck or how well endowed they were, based on their ethnicity. Misandry is very widespread and very much socially accepted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/25 05:31 PM
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Dating/Relationship issues which are rooted in misandry, gender-based double-standards or gendered expectations, are men's rights issues. They don't need separate sub, and people should stop trying to diminish their impact, because they actually do play into a lot of other non-dating aspects of life. None of it exists in a vacuum. Trying to derail these conversation because they're not "actual men's rights issues" is not only derailing, it's downplaying the significance of these problems.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 02:09 PM
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The reasoning for the answer is just manipulation and misandry. Women know that men are safer, they just say the bear because they know it will hurt men and because bears can't be hurt by hateful hypotheticals. If a man said "if you were in a car and you had to choose between a female driver or a bear?", and every man picked the bear, people would instantly understand that the reasoning for that hypothetical is misogyny, regardless of any statistic or argument that could be made for either.
/r/MensRights29/09/25 02:04 AM
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Everything that was ever labelled as "benevolent sexism" against women. This idea that men don't do anything feminine because they hate women, when in reality it's because they will be judged by women for it. The idea that men were just keeping women out of certain fields, like computer science, when in reality it's because women do not like those fields and actually hold a lot of negative views about male dominated fields which are rooted in misandry. Any kind of criticism of toxic femininity, …
/r/MensRights26/09/25 04:39 PM
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I also often see feminists hate against capitalism, and blaming men for capitalism and imperialism, but they are often failing to coincide with the fact that men pursue money, assets, status and power for women, not themselves. Most men work simply so that they can take care of women and experience the love of a woman, because that love is very conditional on what they earn. Most women work simply to be independent of men, if not specifically because they see loving men as a burden, and still ex…
/r/MensRights25/09/25 02:43 PM
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They are "included" as an after thought, and perceived as an extension of male authoritarianism. The way patriarchy theory tries to approach this issue is very weak, and completely off-base.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/25 02:25 PM
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It's an insane take. It's actually the opposite, in three major ways. For starters, sexual crimes against women and by men, and only in that specific scenario, are heavily and disproportionately punished in our culture. A man committing sexual assault against a woman is viewed more negatively than a man who has killed another man, and is often viewed as deserving of capital punishment. In the loudest way possible, men are conditioned to treat anything that could even be remotely viewed as inappr…
/r/MensRights24/09/25 01:25 AM
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They don't care about the problem at all. You can see this by the fact that they are constantly trying to shift the blame back on ideas like "patriarchy", as in patriarchal values that men are imposing on women by force(when it is really one-sided gendered expectations that women place on men to be their betters, and do all the work, or die alone - aka, a gynarchy). They also try to shift blame back on men with misconceptions like "it's because there's not enough male friendships", which is dism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/25 07:22 PM
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It's not even a nuance. It's the norm. Misandric women will just project whatever story they want onto men in order to justify their prejudices though.
/r/MensRights22/09/25 05:39 AM
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There's no reason why gender neutral public toilets couldn't work. Most of the taboo around that would evaporate over a few years. People think it's a big deal now because it's all they have ever known.
/r/MensRights20/09/25 05:41 AM
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I'm not sure if this is a copy paste response, but it's not even remotely responding to what I wrote. The gender connection is pretty clear when it comes to how people respond to violence and how people respond to poor behavior. When it is seen as coming from women or in the behalf of women, it generally receives far more lenience and support. I'm not really sure what men killing men has to do with what I wrote either. It's an entirely irrelevant point, and there's plenty of other socio-economic…
/r/MensRights20/09/25 05:37 AM
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Kind of but not entirely. There is some relevance to men's rights, because the reality is that opinions tend to be far more accepted and celebrated, even when they promote violence, when they are seen to be coming from women or being for women. The left generally maintains this idea that it is advocating for women and that is mostly supported by women, so they tend to get more free passes than the right for this. The right also often gets a free pass, when it says something that is for or by wom…
/r/MensRights19/09/25 02:56 PM
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The west coast isn't really representative of the entire USA though. That's a fairly secular part of the US.
/r/MensRights19/09/25 05:53 AM
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You will have to find a provider that you know is doing it for the right reasons, and neither looking to exploit you or being exploited themselves. The only reason why this would be a challenge at all, is because sex work is generally forced into obscurity and potentially mixed in with other criminal elements, specifically because it is not legalized. There's no real way for you to verify if someone is legitimate or practicing safely/honestly. You could maybe go to other countries where sex work…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:40 PM
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I never stated that mocking deaths was a political thing either. People on both parties do it too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:35 PM
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They might still need to sign a consent form but the norm might still be that the doctor offers them this consent form saying something akin to "This is a standard procedure, I just need your consent", which would cause a lot of uninformed parents to sign on their advice.
/r/MensRights18/09/25 08:32 PM
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I never said right wingers don't do this as well but they generally do it in a different way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 03:19 PM
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It doesn't really seem like they are truly neutral though. I've never had a child in the US but it does seem like the procedure is considered the norm unless the parent opts out. I don't think many doctors would tell them it's medically not recommended, because they make money from the procedure. There's an obvious conflict of interest there.
/r/MensRights18/09/25 03:17 PM
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As for porn and OF. I don't think porn itself is addictive, more so that the people who overconsume porn are typically just people who are emotionally/sexually starved. An addiction would also imply some kind of negative connotation with masturbation, which I don't really have. If someone wants to spend their whole day having sex with themselves, I don't really see it as inherently bad. It's their body and they are allowed to enjoy it, and external stimuli to simulate sex are a common way to hel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 03:14 PM
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I think sex work should not only be legalized but also regulated and even subsidized in certain cases. The way sex work laws work right now in the west is pretty varied for the most part but it is mostly illegal. The worst version of this being the Nordic model in Canada, which makes it illegal to purchase sex but not to sell it, almost exclusively targeting men in the process and empowering sex workers all kinds of tools to trap or extort their clients as well. This is awful and very harmful/da…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 03:12 PM
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First of all, who do you think is pushing those gender norms onto men though? Who do you think wants men to be strong, assertive, confident, aggressive, because that's what "real men" are supposed to be? If you're looking for a definition, I would say that toxic masculinity, just like toxic femininity, are traits that are harmful, which are socially accepted or expected out of men and women because of their gender. I would say the only difference between toxic femininity and toxic masculinity, i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 03:32 PM
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Uninformed parents wouldn't really know any different and could be persuaded either way. It would be up to doctors to inform them. Clearly doctors are opting to inform them poorly in that case. Fathers wanting their sons to match them is another problem in of itself but, again, doctors would still recognize that as a personal/ego issue and address that before performing the procedure.
/r/MensRights17/09/25 03:23 PM
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Choosing to vilify other parties with labels and slander, in order to justify hatred or violence against them, is the core belief that led to the nazi rise to power and the atrocities they commited. By labelling you a nazi, they are not just demonstrating themselves to be irrational and extremists, but they are actually doing exactly what the nazi's did against the Jewish people. The nazis rationalized their genocide by convincing themselves that the Jewish people were the worst scum of the eart…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 03:44 PM
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It's troubling that the drop is not significantly greater. That means there's still a significant amount of pressure on parents to get it done, despite the clear harm that it is doing.
/r/MensRights16/09/25 03:36 PM
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Ironically, nothing make me mistrust the medical industry more than the mass adoption of circumcision in the US/Africa, despite all of the science, evidence and common sense going against it. .
/r/MensRights16/09/25 03:35 PM
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The way things are enforced, there is no such thing as "male and female spaces", it's just "women-only spaces and public spaces". Women are the privileged class. We live in a gynarchy. Women are radicalized against men, and raised to see men in their spaces as an act of hostility and a defiance of that hierarchy, while men are simply raised to pedestalize women, and accept them in all spaces. It's really not that much different from segregated washrooms in the early American history, it's the sa…
/r/MensRights16/09/25 03:28 PM
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Male loneliness exists because of the way women treat men, because of the way culture expects men to put in a lot of work that isn't expected of women, because the rest of society values women and goes out of its way to include women in every situation. It's a matter of systematic privilege, and it is absolutely in the hands of women to fix because they're the ones with the power. That starts with being able to recognize the massive amount of privilege women have when it comes to being accepted …
/r/MensRights15/09/25 02:31 AM
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Generally speaking, women who are single mothers, chronically overweight or drug/alcohol abusers are considered losers. It's very different for men and women. There's no real expectation of success, status or traditional masculinity for women the way there is for men, but a woman who has made herself that unappealing or a liability(to herself and others) is generally considered a loser. That is the generally understood definition of a female loser but it's entirely subjective. Plenty of people m…
/r/MensRights12/09/25 05:49 PM
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it's a lot worse than that. The objectification of men as wage slaves extends to virtually every aspect of life and culture. It's not just men being expected to pay for dates or pay to pursue women, it's also the expectation on men to be successful(so men are required to have a higher income) and to take on the brunt of all expenses within relationships(especially so during pregnancy). So not only do men have to spend more to date but they have to spend more to also be eligible for dates as well…
/r/MensRights12/09/25 02:14 AM
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Exactly. Every time an issue like this is observed by the mainstream, it is done in a way that removes any kind of accountability from women. For example, if a man is shy or inexperienced, and that prevents him from approaching women, then the fault is automatically placed on that man for being shy or inexperienced(i.e. not a "real man™" because "real men™" are not shy) and no one questions why shyness is such a problem for men in the first place(when it isn't really a problem for women) or why …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/25 02:01 PM
3

The male loneliness epidemic is a real problem and it isn't even recent but it has recently been co-opted by the mainstream and twisted to further demonize and attack men. It has been politicized and derailed by both the right(pushing the false argument that men need to go back to being real men™) and the left(pushing the arguments that men just hate women or deserve to be lonely because patriarchy) to effectively push misandric rhetoric and effectively diminish the impact of harmful gender role…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/25 01:52 PM
2

He was but cheering for someone's death is still sick.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 01:38 PM
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It doesn't really matter what his position was, or whether you agree with him or not. Anyone who cheers for this person's death has serious mental problems and is an extremist. A lot of his views were very outdated and vile, and definitely going against every basic principle of gender equality, but anyone who thinks he deserved to die because of it is infinitely worse.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 01:33 PM
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She's using false rationalization to justify her own behavior and lack of effort. While it might be true that many men are conditioned into putting all the effort, and might even see it as a personal failure when they see women put in the work(which I would consider to be a form of mental illness, not too different from slave/subordinate taking his service too seriously or stockholm), the reality is that people generally do appreciate effort and feeling desired, appreciated and wanted. She just …
/r/MensRights11/09/25 01:30 PM
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Imagine the outrage if governments were like "we're going to stop prosecuting white people now, so that we can make room to prosecute more minorities". Absolutely insane.
/r/MensRights11/09/25 05:16 AM
2

What's worse is how this is often depicted as a "preference" from women when it is, in fact, everything but. Not just because it is treated more like a mandate or a requirement(a preference means they would still date short men, just choose taller over shorter), but because it is systematically driven by social conditioning. There's no inherent value or evolutionary advantage to being taller. Even the argument that taller men are stronger is mostly situational(this is only really true when the f…
/r/MensRights10/09/25 09:55 PM
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It's just another insane double-standard that further demonstrates that the outrage against men doing this isn't about how inappropriate the act is but, rather, about misandry and androphobia. The fact that so many women feel this confident, speaking about their public masturbation so openly really goes to show just how much they live in a completely different world. Not only free of consequences but openly embraced/supported in all aspects of their sexuality by the rest of society.
/r/MensRights10/09/25 09:47 PM
2

Porn isn't bad for the brain and men do not over sexualize women. The only real issues here is the over vilification of male heterosexuality, which includes shaming/demonizing men for watching porn or for expressing/having sexual desires for women. Porn is not comparable to drugs. They are not the same. There's a lot of really questionable and predatory tactics used within the porn industry that should be called out and addressed but the issue isn't porn exists or that men watch it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/25 02:34 PM
1

Again, they are a minority and largely shamed for that kind of language. Compare that to the far greater level of misandry that you will find on every social media platform, with far worse usage of derogatory language towards men, and it's not even even remotely close. A lot of the men who say "I hate women" in these forums also don't actually hate women. They are just angry with toxic social norms and how society/women treat men in general. If you were to actually put a woman in front of them, …
/r/MensRights10/09/25 02:29 PM
2

The crazy thing about this is that it's bias that is almost entirely rooted in circular reasoning. Women are perceived as morally superior because whatever women do is perceived as more moral because a woman did it. It's "if a woman did this, then this must be moral because women are moral, and women are moral because anything they do is moral" kind of reasoning driving most of this bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 02:08 PM
2

This is a kind of privilege that doesn't really get brought up a lot but the reality is that "diseased portion" of women that does exist, which is a very signification portion and not minor by any measure, gets to operate in their misandry/toxicity without any real social, professional or romantic consequences. Women do not get sexuality invalidated, en mass, or fired/cancelled for their misandric views. It's often tolerated and normalized, if not even cheered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 02:05 PM
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Not only are these men very small minorities and persistently faulted for their views, but there's also a very big difference between hating women and hating toxic behaviors normalized among women. If you cannot tell the difference, you are actively promoting a false narrative and encouraging a hatred of men.
/r/MensRights04/09/25 01:59 PM
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Male genocide is already a part of humanity's past and present. Suicide, war, normalization of violence against men, police brutality, over-incarceration, poor work and safety conditions, women & children first in emergency situation, lack of social support for men, higher stress and expectations on men(leading to worse mental health), etc. There's a chance that it will get worse though, and you might see more and more people choose to have daughters over sons, much like you used to see in China…
/r/MensRights04/09/25 01:57 PM
3

There is no god and every issue men face are systematic/social, they have nothing to do with theology or even biology.
/r/MensRights03/09/25 02:32 AM
8

The original comedy bit was pretty disgusting, not just because of her blatant misandry or in the false narratives she is pushing but the level of support and cheer that she receives for it. His reaction to that clip was considerably better in comparison but still falling short in a lot of ways, but mainly in both of their disregard for how gender roles and expectations play a huge role in these dynamics, and how this negatively effects men. You cannot disregard these factors or look at them in …
/r/MensRights28/08/25 05:23 PM
1

It's a lack of self-awareness and an attempt to minimize men's rights issues, while rationalizing their own misandry. Anyone who's actually aware of systematic misandry is aware of how damaging, destructive or lethal it is to society and to men. This picture is incredibly loaded. When it states that the number one feminist concern is rape, this is not only a lie, because most feminism is centered around smaller "micro aggressions" and because the rape of women is already considered a crime worse…
/r/MensRights27/08/25 02:28 PM
1

A lot of her videos come off as "menslib" rather than men's rights. She often plays into toxic misandric tropes. One example I remember in one of her videos was this argument about how "nice guys are just men who feel entitled to women's bodies and believe they can put niceness coins into women to get sex from them", which is not only wrong but awfully derogatory of men in general.
/r/MensRights22/08/25 04:34 PM
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This is first and foremost a problem of culture that has convinced women that it's okay for them to grope or assault men. The idea of "teach women not to rape/assault" is unironically something that needs to happen, because it is seriously lacking. The fact that society considers a man inappropriately touching a woman as one of the worse possible crimes(often generating more outrage than a man's death) while society still considers a woman inappropriately touching a man as a mild inconvenience o…
/r/MensRights22/08/25 04:31 PM
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Strong disagree about dadvocate being the best. She has some good videos but still often has a lot of sexist or negative views about men too. I had to unsubscribe from her content.
/r/MensRights21/08/25 03:05 PM
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Another one that I see a lot too is "men are simple", which is often used as a less obvious put down against men or as a chauvinistic attempt to say that women are more complex or superior. The reality is that men are just as complex and deep as women, but often minimize their desires in lieu of women's, downplay their own thoughts out of fear or present themselves in a simpler manner to facilitate communication and sincerity. Women are not actually more complex than men. This is rather a proble…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 06:43 PM
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In literally every aspect of life and culture, it does. Most men are expected to walk on egg shells around women, and the men who fail to do so are very quickly shamed and vilified. Women are most coddled and given preferential treatment in almost every aspect of their personal, romantic, and professional lives. Your denial isn't actually proof that it isn't there, but rather another example of how coddled you are about life. When society affirms women who are convinced they have it the hardest,…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/08/25 02:38 PM
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Feminists often like to talk about "invisible emotional labor" that women have to make(which is usually just basically having to treat men like people) but they are often also very quick to ignore or dismiss the kind of emotional labor that men have to make in order to coddle women in every aspect of our culture today as well, and to have to endure these kinds of double-standards(much of which is just straight up misandry too) everywhere they go. It's so much worse than this too, by the way. For…
/r/MensRights19/08/25 02:35 PM
3

The irony of misandric statements like this is that they're made to put down men and are rooted in female chauvinism. These kinds of statements are typically made by women out of ego or a false sense of superiority over men, completely oblivious to the fact that they are not only demonstrating themselves to have a fragile ego with statements like these(because why else would you even need to convince yourself that men have fragile egos) but that these kinds of statements are also enabled/normali…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/08/25 02:04 PM
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They don't think of men as human beings. Their entire ideology is built and rooted in the dehumanization of men. They don't care about the links between the unrealistic, unhealthy or harmful expectations on men by women and the lower quality of life for men, or poor mental health for men. They don't care about the link between financial expectations placed on men by women(not just to provide but to be viewed as viable sexual partners), and men having to work harder, longer or taking more risks(w…
/r/MensRights14/08/25 02:00 PM
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She is definitely telling on herself. Not only in her blatant lack of understanding of the problems at hand but in her clear lack of empathy for men as well. If the best counter argument a person can make is personal attacks and negative stereotypes, which have absolutely nothing to do with this subject, you know they have no real argument or leg to stand on. You can also immediately tell that their intentions are not in the right place either.
/r/MensRights14/08/25 01:32 PM
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Yes, I know the definition of violence and, no, it doesn't sound like that at all, that is your projection. I would love to hear how you came to that rationalization though, because nothing I've stated here was misogynistic or had anything to do with women not wanting to hang out with me(which is an hilarious adhominem, considering how many women I actually hang out with). Very few, if any, men actually ever feel "entitled" to sex, and the men who feel "superior" to women are usually not the one…
/r/MensRights14/08/25 01:30 PM
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Religious support? Maybe not, unless you consider feminism to be a religion or a cult. Then, there's certainly a lot of widespread gender-targeted violence against men. There's plenty of widespread gender-targeted forms of violence against men though, plenty of which is supported by political or legal system. There are also no widespread gender-targeted violence against women being supported by political or legal systems either, so not sure where this argument is even coming from. It's very delu…
/r/MensRights12/08/25 06:37 PM
2

The irony of this is that women tend romanticize misogynists, abusers and murderers more than they do men who would do anything for them, well above and beyond the bare minimum. Some of the biggest misogynists I've met in my life were players, and had way more partners than your average man would. Some of the biggest abusers I've met in my life, were pedestalized because of their aggression and capacity for violence. How many stories do you hear about women sending admiration letters to incarcer…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/08/25 02:26 PM
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I literally never said women's friendships were better than men's just that this is a problem that seems to be specific to male-male friendships. female-female friendships have their own sets of issues. Maybe that was not what you were implying but that is the typical implication that is being presented with this kind of argument. A lot of this "men just need to be better friends" rhetoric is built on this kind of chauvinistic drivel. As for the proof of what I said... This is not really "proof"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 02:03 PM
3

Who is telling you that these friendships are a problem? Are you just comparing them to female friendship with the preconception that women's friendships are somehow better when they are simply different? Most men don't really want or desire physical intimacy from other men. Those who do generally have very little problems showing it or are actually only worried about other women judging them, and delegitimizing them as potential sexual partners(the actual physical intimacy that they desire, at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 07:15 PM
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Another point to add to this, is that a lot of what makes women "feel" unsafe is actually projections or negative stereotypes. Those women feel unsafe as a result of their misandry and their prejudices, not because there's a danger there. They will also often use these feelings to justify the misandry and the prejudices, when those feelings are not only unique to those women but those women are also the ones who control those feelings in the first place.
/r/MensRights05/08/25 07:08 PM
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Exactly. The argument that gender segregation would help with the male loneliness epidemic is insane, if not just troll-bait. Men are already plenty satisfied with their male-male friendships. Men are lonely because they feel disconnected, isolated, misrepresented and vilified by society/women, which has become so prevalent because segregation and misandry have become so normalized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 04:35 AM
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More problems are created from gender segregation than solved. I don't think washrooms need to be segregated(virtually all of the taboo that comes from sharing washrooms with the opposite gender is artificially created, people only think it's weird because they have never known any different), domestic violence shelters don't need to be segregated(this creates the wrong message that the opposite gender is the enemy, and not the abusers), gyms shouldn't be segregated(a lot of the women who compla…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 04:32 AM
7

Men do far more emotional labor in dating and relationships than women do. Everything from approaching women first(not just having to take all the risk and the burden of expectation but having to handle the rejection with grace as well), to passing every test women expect men to pass, to handling women's lack of emotional maturity or chaotic personalities(they will label men misogynists if they don't), to navigating every single mood swing women might have, to tolerating all kinds of different f…
/r/MensRights03/08/25 10:26 PM
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The problem is that there's a lot of presumptions being made about what is or isn't sexual dimorphism. Physically, there are major differences, but when it comes to the brain and behavior, I don't actually believe that there is any real sexual dimorphism. The brain evolved to learn and adapt, just like any other neural net AI that learns on whatever it is trained on. What people see as "wired differently" is just social conditioning. It's a product of men and women being raised in entirely diffe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 04:55 AM
1

A lot of fans would turn on them too. There's a long history of products being boycotted by women, or women turning on products which turned into major problems for companies simply for PR reasons(even when women weren't even their primary demographic). If a woman hates a company, there's a pretty good chance she will make her husbands/boyfriends life miserable if they support that product too, and pretty good chance they will penalize/reject other men around them for supporting those products t…
/r/MensRights27/07/25 09:50 PM
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The most disturbing part about this app is the fact that is so accepted in the first place. This not only means that there are a significant amount of women who have collectively decided that doxxing is okay, as long as it targets men, and that harming men is justified because it suits their biases and prejudices, but that predatory or vindictive pursuits are acceptable as long as they're coming from women. It also demonstrates that they believe it's okay to actively exclude men from goods/servi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/25 09:43 PM
4

So many inequalities in most cultures effectively boil down the the social expectation on men to pursue women, and a big one is the male loneliness epidemic. There are other factors as well, such as hypergamy(women romanticizing a very small subset of men, with very little room for diversity) and society effectively being a gynarchy(Which means very little attention is actually being put towards men's issues or social inequalities affecting men), but it ultimately boils down to gender roles bein…
/r/MensRights26/07/25 11:10 PM
4

It's not just DEI, it's also active discrimination. Many employers, male or female, would prefer to hire women over men. Some times it's personal interest, some times it's female chauvinism, and some times it's the "women are wonderful" effect. It's also very obvious that current social conditions are quite hostile and detrimental to men/boys, which will have a negative effect on their mental health, and therefor their careers as well.
/r/MensRights25/07/25 06:49 PM
4

We live in a gynarchy. Mainstream celebrities would get black-listed or become unmarketable for not placating to women.
/r/MensRights25/07/25 06:22 PM
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No app is setup for "gay people only", in the sense that they outright block straight people from using them. It would be just as offensive if you also had apps that somehow checked to see if you were straight in order to ban gay people from using it. If you are referring to gay dating apps, like grinder, that is not even remotely comparable. A straight man could create a grinder account but the service would simply not be useful for him. That is not discrimination. Apps like grinder are also mo…
/r/MensRights23/07/25 09:00 PM
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This is a very disgusting idea, not just for the blatant misandry/sexism but because it will affect the livelihood of those male drivers as well. It is, in the most literal sense, discrimination in the work place, and it goes against both equality of opportunity and equality of representation. The answer to this, however, should not be "well men should be able to refuse women too then". That is equally just as sexist and wrong. The answer should simply be to not accept this kind of ruling in the…
/r/MensRights23/07/25 08:58 PM
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This is disturbing and disgusting. No app should ever just be setup for "insert group of people" only. Could you imagine an app that was designed as "for verified white people only" and promoted to white supremacist to share personal information about minorities or bond over their negative or subjective experiences with minorities under the guise of "safety". Slander is also entirely guaranteed with this kind of application. It's not an if but a certainty, and it's very unlikely that these kinds…
/r/MensRights23/07/25 05:12 AM
2

I suspect that there would generally be a pre-existing bias in this kind of data collection, in that a lot of the work that men do around the house might often be downplayed or dismissed outright because it's not considered their primary task or because it is just extra work being done by men(therefor not as meaningful or effortful). It's ironic, because this would effectively be data collected to try to present the argument about women's "invisible labor" but that requires treating a lot of the…
/r/MensRights21/07/25 07:16 PM
2

there is no "feminine" or "masculine" way of expression. These are just label you are projecting onto expression. This would be like saying "intelligence is a feminine trait" or "altruism is a masculine trait". It's non-sense. You are pushing misandry by telling men that they need to be a certain way. I didn't even make any arguments as to whether one form of expression is better than another.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 04:21 AM
1

low empathy? gynocentrist? what non-sense. Make an actual argument, don't just throw labels around without any basis.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 04:18 AM
1

This woman is effectively getting pissed at men because they are not doing something she isn't doing herself, effectively judging them for doing she isn't willing to do either, despite being in a much safer and more comfortable position to approach men first. It's all ego, entitlement and emotional immaturity, none of which will ever really get registered because of this social bias that whatever women want or feel is correct or warranted.
/r/MensRights21/07/25 04:17 AM
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Men having a preference for chaste women or in a monogamic lifestyle does not mean they see women as their private property. Supporting women in their hedonistic desires, promiscuity or their capitalization of lonely men does not mean they see women as public property. These are both very gross misrepresentation or perversions of men's want's, needs or desires, as well as their contributions to society/relationships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/25 01:38 PM
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Anyone who tries to make the argument that the male loneliness epidemic is a product of weak male friendships is someone that doesn't actually care about men or men's issues, trying to push the blame back on men as a way to deflect away from the way society harms men, and most likely just regurgitating this narrative from some random feminist blog(It's too specific, and wrong with conviction, to be anything else, which means they take all their news from misandric sources and cannot actually thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/25 10:18 PM
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This is one of the unfortunate side effects of so many men being pushed towards conservatism/right wing ideology. You are right, in that gender equality and the dismission of gender roles should be the goal, but unfortunately, people are more likely to fall back on what they know than they are to seek out or adapt to something new. More freedom for men should also mean more freedom for men to be who or what they want to be, without being viewed as "feminine" or "unmasculine" for it, the same way…
/r/MensRights15/07/25 08:08 PM
2

You can fight misandry and female chauvinism without misogyny and male chauvinism.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 09:17 PM
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No, it is not okay. Just like it wouldn't be okay to avoid someone who has an African or middle eastern sounding name. It's discrimination and it's misandry. "Safety concerns" is bullshit, not just because the determining factor for safety has nothing to do with gender(a man could be smaller, a woman could be bigger, a woman could be armed, a woman could be on drugs, etc), but by picking you up when you had a woman's name she also just demonstrated how easy it would be for a possible assailant t…
/r/MensRights10/07/25 09:16 PM
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You are creating a false narrative in order to rationalize poor treatment of good men or a romanticization of toxic qualities in men. Most good men are not insecure or oblivious and, even if they were, this still wouldn't justify them "finishing last". Men should still be allowed to have insecurities or doubts, just as many women are without really paying for it the way a man would. Your entire argument is effectively victim blaming, and gaslighting men into embracing their own mistreatment or b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 02:00 PM
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He is not talking about women not being attracted to him specifically but rather recognizing a pattern or bias against his ethnicity, and recognizing how his ethnicity can also be fetishized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 01:57 PM
3

Women being raised and radicalized to hate men isn't really something that men should be emulating, and aren't naturally predisposed to hating women.
/r/MensRights10/07/25 01:54 PM
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Not only is this a gross exaggeration, in that it's not often the case that a smile would be interpreted as interest and a lot of men would just see it as being friendly, but it's an extremely sexist view of men who not only have every right to shot their shots but are socially, and systematically, expected to as well. So what if he misinterprets that smile as interest and makes a move based on that? Not only is that a very minor inconvenience(if at all) but it literally the basis for all friend…
/r/MensRights09/07/25 03:27 PM
1

This is not a "perfect world" hypothetical. It's a real world reality in most gyms and certainly a goal that could be achieved for all gyms(at least in the western world). Culture can change. Segregated gyms only further moves us away from the goal. It only further demonstrates to the world that women-only gyms, despite clearly being built on misandry and androphobia, are acceptable and justified.
/r/MensRights08/07/25 01:10 AM
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Segregated gyms are never the answer. All they do is reinforce misandry and misogyny. If there's an issue with false allegations from toxic women, you fix the issue of false allegations or you kick the toxic women out of those gyms. You don't just ban women from gyms, which not only penalizes other women who are not causing any issues but also supports banning men from services for sexist reasons as well. If there are men who act like asses because they're trying to impress women, then address t…
/r/MensRights07/07/25 01:56 PM
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It's ironic, because that kind of emotional blackmail actually only has power if she holds more value than you do. Most women are very comfortable throwing this kind of ultimatum at men because they know how easy it is for them to recover, because there's going to be guys coming to them to offer them dates, sex, resources and potential relationships. So, even without realizing, the entire reason she feels so comfortable throwing that kind of statement at you is because of her privileges as a wom…
/r/MensRights03/07/25 03:23 AM
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People only really care about the effects of bullying or cyberbullying when it affects women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 02:30 PM
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That is a lot of bullshit and child birth is by no way comparable to men dying for women or some kind of trade off. For starters, women have children for themselves, not for men. Women who have children do so because they wanted to be mothers. That is a choice and an experience that they are generally taking on for themselves, not for men. That is also to say that a lot of women will also choose to never have children in the first place, so the expectation that all men must self-sacrifice for th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 01:39 PM
20

You can prove that patriarchy doesn't exist just by looking at society and culture. It is quite evident who holds the power in most circumstances. Who you are allowed to be critical of, who people try to protect, who's words and opinions holds the most weight, who's treated better or worse than the other, who is putting the most effort to pursue/support/protect the other? In every scenario, it is women who are considerably ahead of men. It's this uncomfortable truth that people will often joke a…
/r/MensRights22/06/25 08:38 PM
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I'm not sure that it is. I see a lot of the same problems in women from a lot of other countries, especially the ones with conservative values.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/25 08:20 PM
1

Attractiveness isn't really a matter of skin color, and no business is just going to bar people of certain skin colors just because of their skin color. Besides the fact that this is getting way off track of my original argument or that there are plenty of women of every skin color who are considered traditionally beautiful, it's also something that's illegal and would get those businesses boycotted very quickly. Either way, yes, even unattractive women still get more free attention from men tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/25 02:02 PM
21

What's crazy is that listening to your partner and being able to emotionally support them is considered the bare minimum for men when it comes to their relationships. There is an insane amount of emotional labor that men are just expected to do, and are happy to do willingly because they want to be good partners, simply to be recognized as a man even capable of being in relationships. Without it, men are generally delegitimized or told they just shouldn't be in relationships at all. So not only …
/r/MensRights17/06/25 01:55 PM
1

Yes, their problems are completely different. Every single female friend that I have ever known received more attention from men than most of the men I have ever known, even the unattractive ones. Their problems are usually almost always that they have a shitty view on men and reject the vast majority of the men who do approach them over arbitrary reasons, while also never making any effort to initiate or make themselves available to the type of men they are looking for. That is the reality of t…
/r/MensRights17/06/25 03:47 AM
1

The inability to hold patents isn't really a reason to not innovate, and you listing these names(assuming this is even accurate, and not just feminist revisionist history) only demonstrates that they were capable of innovating despite this "oppression". There would have been plenty of ways for women to put their talents to use, including using men in their lives to do so. You can go cherry pick examples of ways women are disadvantaged in society today, but that still does not negate the fact tha…
/r/MensRights16/06/25 07:02 PM
1

More than half of my social circle is women. I have more female friends than male friends. Your response was still, however, a poor attempt for an adhomimem which, again, demonstrates poor intentions and an inability to approach this argument in any reasonable capacity.
/r/MensRights16/06/25 06:54 PM
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No, I definitely do not just mean "white" or "white-skinned women", because every woman benefits from the idea that men must pursue women. Does it benefit some more than others? Sure, but every woman is still benefits greatly from never really having to pursue men. Even the most unattractive women get more attention, free opportunities and tolerance than your average man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/25 06:39 PM
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Not only are men overrepresented victims in recorded violence but they are also a majority of victims for unrecorded violence as well, and a great deal of that unrecorded violence is coming from women because men would be far less likely to report that violence from a woman(if not to protect those women but because they know it wouldn't be taken seriously or that it would make them seem weak, and therefore less attractive). The idea that there's some kind of femicide against women due to domesti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/25 02:45 PM
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It's actually so much worse than that because we actually live in a culture where men are socially, sexually and biologically punished for not being strong, assertive, dominant leaders. Whatever negative interpretation of patriarchy women have, they have created and they have created from a position of power and privilege. It's actually insanity to see women pedestalize men in leadership positions, and do everything in their power to reward those men, and then at the same time fault men for stri…
/r/MensRights12/06/25 02:28 PM
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Most of the music that was produced for women or by women in the last thirty or so years has been inherently misandric. Most of the music that women consume is, which is often sold as female empowerment, is either just male bashing or female chauvinism. If you have just noticed this now, you haven't really been paying attention. The only major artist that I can think of that wasn't all about male bashing that I can even think of in the last ten years was Adele, who even when she sounds a bit jad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:24 PM
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Again, your response is one of dishonest projection and misrepresentation, and it really demonstrate an apathetic and malicious predisposition in your reasoning. The idea that these "romantic woes" aren't affected by culture, or just something isolated to individuals who must therefore be wrong or deficient in some way, is a coping mechanism meant to diminish the issues men face and remove accountability away for the ways women can negatively treat men or contribute to harmful social trends. Thi…
/r/MensRights12/06/25 02:17 PM
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Creating a false narrative about "how men unapologetically just hate women" doesn't actually make it so. All it demonstrates is a hatred for men and men's issues.
/r/MensRights12/06/25 03:05 AM
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The idea that loneliness is just a matter of "joining a social club" is a huge fallacy, a very clear misunderstanding of the issue at hand, if not just society in general, and an underhanded attempt to minimize the problem. Even ignoring the fact that men typically aren't as welcomed or accepted in most of these clubs, or that very little effort is generally made to create welcoming spaces for me. Even ignoring the fact that it would generally be harder for men to make friends than women, becaus…
/r/MensRights12/06/25 03:04 AM
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it's crazy to me how you will be bombarded by both extremes on social media from one post to the next. On the one hand you will have posts about men used to die in wars for women and today's men are shit, and on the other you will have posts about how men used to be draconian oppressors of women and still are today. Some times it's even coming from the same people. Wild.
/r/MensRights12/06/25 02:35 AM
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They don't care about men's rights or men. What else would you expect from a group that openly prides itself on taking joy out of the suffering of men? They will look for any excuse to invalidate men's experiences or the problems they face in order to suit their own egos and prejudices.
/r/MensRights11/06/25 04:25 AM
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Change the culture. That's it. Address systematic misandry, teach people how to recognize it and that it's not a joke. Address one-sided expectations in dating based on gender roles, where men are expected to put in all of the effort to pursue and women are considered the prize to be catered to. Address hypergamy and male objectification as success/status objects, simply by calling it out. Literally just teach women not to treat men like garbage. This isn't a fantasy or forcing dependence/compan…
/r/MensRights10/06/25 07:50 PM
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Treat men like people, make an effort, be more proactive(i.e. don't put it all on men to pursue or chase you, reach out, initiate, offer suggestions, show interest, etc), and be respectful/mindful. That's it.
/r/MensRights10/06/25 07:46 PM
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It's just social bias or the "women are wonderful" effect. People believe that women are more emotionally mature because there is a perception that women are the "emotionally mature" gender, even when they aren't. Actions and beliefs that are emotionally immature in women are ignored or dismissed, or wrongfully perceived as emotionally mature, in order to fit into this false belief. It is effectively circular reasoning, or a self-fulfilling projection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/25 02:09 PM
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I find this to be an odd comment. You can still be friends with people with different ideological beliefs without having to argue every day about your differences, and being mindful doesn't mean being in a toxic relationship. You also always have the option to end things, you aren't "locked".
/r/MensRights10/06/25 03:45 AM
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There are two ways that I see feminist's interpretation of patriarchy. One is a misrepresentation of an oligarchy, as you have presented, with feminists hyper-focusing on the genders of the richest people, ignoring how they got there in the first place, because feminists will make everything about gender as a way to justify their anger and hatred of men. The other is that it is a misrepresentation of a gynarchy, with feminists being unable to acknowledge the fact that women do, in fact, hold a g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 03:20 PM
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exactly. The narrative that men don't know how to speak about their feelings is a deflection and a lie meant to further attack men. Most men do know how to talk about their feelings but their experiences end up often being that they are chastised for it, especially by women, in the most brutal ways. Men have to be very careful about sharing those feelings, not just because it will upset women who often don't have the emotional maturity to handle taking accountability for any criticism or the way…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 03:09 PM
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Misandry is so normalized among women that I would consider it unrealistic to just cut ties with all of them. Almost every female friend I have had in my life(including female relatives and sisters) have said, at one point or another, something objectifying, derogatory or contemptuous towards men. Some are extremely prejudiced and some have also made it abundantly clear that they would throw me under the bus, because I am a man, in order to gain brownie points with other women because of chauvin…
/r/MensRights09/06/25 02:00 PM
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There is a male loneliness epidemic, and it has existed long before that term existed, but the reality is that men stay silent about it because the ones that do complain about it are generally quickly dismissed or further vilified by women and the rest of society. Hypergamy and gendered dating expectations have obviously created an imbalanced dynamic when it comes to sex/relations, in which women clearly benefit and gain a great deal of power/privilege from. Men are constantly being devalued as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/25 03:06 PM
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This is usually coming from a lack of empathy from women and sexist entitlement(specifically towards this idea that women should never lead by example or "teach" men, or this attachment to the gender norms pushed by women that men should be the ones leading the relationship). It's a result of the way men are often objectified as objects of success, power and authority by women, instead of humanized as people with strengths and weaknesses. They will often perceive men as doing things in a sub-ide…
/r/MensRights06/06/25 03:00 PM
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honestly, probably for the best. I have seen so many examples of men's mental health month being exploited by misandrists to not only present themselves as something they are not(a very manipulative way to gain credibility or appear more empathetic than they actually are) but actively use it to promote further misandry and false narratives(like the idea that men's loneliness is caused by lack of male friendship or that men are suffering because of "patriarchy"). I do not trust that google would …
/r/MensRights06/06/25 02:54 PM
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Men are also often attacked for even questioning women's preferences, and are constantly being gaslighted by women about what women want. They will label men misogynistic for noticing very obvious social/systematic patterns among women, and they will label men insecure for even worrying about very real and very obvious forms of prejudices and judgement from women. Take penis size, for example. You will often hear women call men insecure or having "fragile egos" about their size, when it is very …
/r/MensRights06/06/25 02:49 PM
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I've seen plenty of women openly have inappropriate conversations about men, and objectifying them quite consistently. It happens a lot more in groups of women but it can honestly happen anywhere because female chauvinism is not actually as acknowledged or recognized as a problem the way male chauvinism is. It is actually quite accepted and most women won't even feel all that much shame openly objectifying or belittling men. You see this on social media quite a lot too, there are so many openly …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 02:27 PM
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I don't think that's true. I'm sure most are still looking for that connection, they might just not see it as worth the risk or might not want to chase after it under the current social conditions/expectations. I'm sure most incels, if presented with a socially conscious, kind and well intentioned woman, would respond positively.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 02:21 PM
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I don't think a "criminal gene" was the argument at all. More so that when you reward bad behaviors through sexual selection, you create major incentives for those behaviors. The message that doing bad things leads to no sex and no offspring is a powerful evolutionary pressure, which can be used to steer a society/culture for better or worse. When women reward dominance in men with it, you get more patriarchal mindsets from men. When women reward wealth generation and hoarding, you get capitalis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 02:41 PM
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The only way for this to happen is for society to effectively destroy the idea that it's a man's responsibility to pursue women. The problem with this is that it's effectively a problem that men can't fix alone, because women are ultimately the ones who hold most of the power. Men pursue women because women won't pursue them, but if they stop then they just end up suffering alone while other men benefit. Women don't pursue men because they are too coddled or insistent on gender roles because the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 02:32 PM
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It's non-sense because in order to even hate "patriarchy", which they define as men being in charge of things, then they also have to hate men, because would it matter if it's men or women in charge if there's no hatred in the first place? A lot of women will also say this while fully disregarding the fact that they are the reasons why men take on leadership roles in the first place. "Patriarchy" as they define it, only exists because women demand and reward leadership and/or aggression from men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 04:43 PM
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A lot of Ukrainian women flee the war to other countries and eventually do get boyfriends/husbands wherever they end up. Some just party it up but, at the same time, it doesn't really seem fair to expect them to be celibate forever either. A lot of Ukrainian women do end up trying to advocate and increase awareness for Ukraine though, with fundraising, rallying or news-sharing. They are still making efforts to support their country, in a different way(arguably a way that is easier for woman, and…
/r/MensRights30/05/25 03:16 PM
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If you honestly think you would be okay with everything men face when you switch the genders, I don't think you're really giving this any real thought or consideration. Also, even if you personally think things might be okay with the genders reversed, you still have to be able to understand why that is or how it would be accepted on a social level as well.
/r/MensRights24/05/25 02:54 PM
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It's not purely that. It is a factor, I think, because that does seem to be a part of the underlying sentiment for some people, but I think it mainly an issue of gender roles(men being expected to pursue, women expected to be righteously selective). The idea that women are born pure and tainted when giving themselves to men is inherently saying that men are lesser creatures, much like a white supremacist might see a white person who adopts "black culture" as tainting himself and a black person a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 06:33 PM
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This is mostly going to fall on deaf ears. The feminist 'female oppression' narrative is way too strong in the main stream to actually be viewed objectively and it is unlikely to change any time soon. Never mind the fact that men only got the right to vote a short time before women because they were in war times, and it made sense that the men who were going to go die in battle should have a say in who leads them. Never mind the fact that men never truly had a universal right to vote until recen…
/r/MensRights23/05/25 04:00 PM
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What is this about being a parasite? That doesn't really make any sense. It's a public forum. You don't have to feel any guilt or shame about making posts on here. If you want advice on not being a dick to men, all you have to do is be mindful. The first and easiest step is always to just ask "If the genders were reversed, would I be okay with this and why?". The second step would just be to ask "what social factors could be contributing to this", instead of just using "men are bad" as a justifi…
/r/MensRights23/05/25 03:44 PM
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But even with materialism, consumerism and capitalism, women are still the primary drive for men to seek out and accumulate wealth. Most men are perfectly capable of roughing it. They don't need all the fancy toys and whistles. You see men being made fun of by women for this all the time, as if they were the biggest losers because they could be content living on a floor mattress in an empty apartment or because they don't want to spend ridiculous amounts of money on something like a wedding ring…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 02:41 PM
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It's ironic because in mocking male loneliness they are, in effect, demonstrating why the male loneliness epidemic exists in the first place. Men feel lonely because they are treated like second class citizen, and most are treated as unwanted in society. Especially so by women who are not only the ones in the most power to make feel men wanted(biologically and socially), but who are also benefiting from a tremendous amount of privilege in men consistently being there to make them feel wanted. Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 02:32 PM
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This is the more egalitarian and truthful approach to the situation, and considerably less extreme than the other two as well. The idea that men don't deserve sympathy because they created patriarchy is obviously horrid, not just because men do deserve sympathy, no matter what, but because they also didn't "create" patriarchy. Most women romanticize/sexualize strong, powerful and dominant men, which creates a massive necessity and incentive for men to take on the roles that women expect of them.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/25 02:58 PM
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Men and women are two sides of the same species. One does not exist without the other, and both have responsibilities towards each other. You ask this question, which I know isn't actually genuine and very much a loaded question, because you don't recognize how much men already do for women(not just to prevent any kind of female loneliness but to protect them from all kinds of other personal/physical problems as well) and because the idea of women lacking a basic sense of empathy or decency for …
/r/MensRights22/05/25 02:50 PM
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The irony is that these kind of posts are basically saying "unattractive men shouldn't have preferences or opinions about women", and the way she is validating her adhominem is through body shaming, which is not just being misandric but doing exactly what this post is supposed to critiquing. It's also completely devoid of any kind of self-awareness, because women do this a lot too. Whether they are conventionally attractive or not, they will most certainly express these kinds of toxic requiremen…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/05/25 02:36 PM
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it's a deflection tactic. They pretend like it doesn't exist or that men just deserve it because it allows them to remove themselves from any accountability or agency. It allows them to continue treating men poorly, or justify their unhealthy habits towards men that they have now grown comfortable with and see as normal. Many women blame men, and most feminists blame "patriarchy", because it allows them to fault and attack men instead of looking at any actual solutions or looking at how they are…
/r/MensRights20/05/25 02:24 PM
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Weaponized incompetence does exist but I think it is often twisted or exaggerated by feminists to support misandry. There are men who will genuinely make no effort into something because they think "It's not a man's job" or because "you're better at it so it should always be you doing it" but it is actually quite rare. Most men already do most of those tasks and are usually willing to work on improving when they can. It's often more so an issue of men being attacked/judged for doing those tasks …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/25 04:21 PM
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Most men have male friends and are generally happy with their male friendships. It's often more of a quality over quantity for men, where they have fewer friendships but can still count on those friends to be there. The conclusion you are deriving from this statistic is a false conclusion. It is a derailment attempt. Women will also have more access to friends because they are more desired/accepted by men, which not only allows them to be included in more social circles but also allows them to n…
/r/MensRights16/05/25 02:36 PM
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There's a lot of double-standards when it comes to this. It's not just that women take longer or more effort to reach satisfaction, it's also that women have a lot of unhealthy one-sided expectations about men when it comes to sex. A lot of women expect men to just be good at sex, without really knowing if they are good themselves. So many women think they're god's gift to men in bed but really have no manners, no skills, no effort and no after care. Men just make it easy for them or take on mos…
/r/MensRights16/05/25 02:30 PM
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I would define toxic femininity as any aspect of society in which women are given a free pass to be toxic, because they are women. This includes gossiping, over-sharing private relationship information to other female friends, being verbally/physically abusive to men, misandry, having one-sided expectations of men in dating, being incredibly harsh and judgmental in how women treat/judge men, slandering others, playing the victim to a "patriarchy" that doesn't actually exist, avoiding accountabil…
/r/MensRights14/05/25 02:57 PM
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What the male loneliness epidemic is men struggling with women in the dating market. It's a product of gender roles and one-sided expectations, that heavily punishes and disadvantages men. What the male loneliness epidemic isn't, however, is men not having enough friends or not getting enough hugs from other men. This is an attempt at derailing the topic of gender equality or addressing the problem of male loneliness. It's one of many other ways in which misandric women/feminists will try to wea…
/r/MensRights14/05/25 03:30 AM
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I would say the biggest reasons for this is simply that it is too costly for men to hold any kind of unpopular opinion this way, or at least a lot of men feel fear being openly supportive of any cause that women will punish or isolate them for supporting. It's the same reason why most men don't express themselves emotionally as often or hide their struggles/pain. Emotionally, romantically, socially and evolutionarily, men have a lot to lose in being casted out or socially reprimanded by women, e…
/r/MensRights10/05/25 04:16 PM
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My only problem with it is when good men are considered the exception when they are, in fact, the norm. So many women have allowed this misandric perception to take hold, that most men are just these evil predators looking to harm women, when the reality is that most men are, in fact, good people and sacrifice a great deal of their lives away to make women happy already. So many women seem to be under this impression that bad men are rampant, because they have such a skewed and hateful perceptio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/25 05:45 PM
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Stalking is something I've seen a lot of women do and act like it's not a problem when they do it because they're women. I have also seen plenty of women accuse men of stalking when they weren't. I suspect a lot of these numbers are over-inflated one way and under-recorded the other.
/r/MensRights09/05/25 05:29 PM
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It is a hostile work environment, and this would absolutely be considered sexual harassment if the genders were reversed. If a bunch of guys were in the break room, talking about how they would or wouldn't fuck Jenny, the receptionist, this would be considered sexual harassment in the work place. Especially so if Jenny or other workers were within earshot to hear this.
/r/MensRights09/05/25 05:19 PM
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A lot of people seem to be under the impression that addressing sexism from women, or being critical of any toxic/harmful behavior from women, is being "anti-women". There are also many people who believe that advocating for gender equality in any way that disadvantages women or that doesn't stem from the presumption that women are systematically oppressed in all ways is "anti-women". This is mostly a problem of bias, not a reality.
/r/MensRights07/05/25 03:38 PM
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In the context of men's rights advocacy, it does kind of make sense. A lot of women see equality as oppression. A lot of women on social media look at men and women going 50/50 as a form of female oppression, because they have this preconceived notion that women are oppressed by men therefore men should pay more. When used by feminists though, it doesn't really make sense. They almost exclusively use it to justify double-standards, special treatment for women and misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 08:50 PM
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Right. The final conclusion itself did, in this one form of measure, contradict a lot of the inherent bias the author came in with in the body and introductions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 08:46 PM
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When people say there's a massive bias in social sciences against men, studies like this are almost a perfect example. Every bit of this study demonstrates a massive feminist bias. It is evident in how they collect data, what message they are trying to push with it, and the conclusion they try to present from it. Online misandry is just as common as online misogyny, it is simply far more normalized and accepted. Online misandry is going to be perceived as having less widespread support because i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/25 06:16 PM
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the biggest double-standard would be that women would most definitely judge a man for being unsure about kids by age 40, or even having any kind of preference at all. You see this on social media a lot. "this man is balding, he should just take whatever he can still get and consider himself lucky" sentiments are all over the place.
/r/MensRights05/05/25 04:54 PM
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Do you get off on telling people to not care about things?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/25 04:48 PM
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Because it is very evident that there is a bias in the way the information is sought out, gathered, compiled, presented, interpreted and communicated. It is also very clearly done from a top down approach(starting out with a conclusion and then doing whatever it takes to curate whatever data is necessary to reach that conclusion) as they will often ignore or invalidate countering evidence/data or simply twist definitions to fit their own preconceived notions(which are often very misandric or bli…
/r/MensRights05/05/25 04:46 PM
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This is another example of why feminism is so incredibly harmful and even dangerous. It is a perfect example of feminist taking what is a very clear product of misandry, and then trying to co-opt the issue and frame it as misogyny because it then supports their narrative that society is inherently anti-women or that men are bad. This also then plays into this narrative of "misogyny kills, misandry just hurts feelings", since homophobia can actually often lead to hate crimes and are predominantly…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 07:00 PM
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Why would you expect misandric people to feel any differently? Of course they will try to rationalize or normalize their misandry by promoting this idea that it's harmless, because if they understood the harm that it causes they would probably stop being misandrists or, at the very least, start doing it more covertly so that they don't get judged by the rest of society. To anyone who is actually paying attention or has any real ounce of empathy for men, it is very clear that misandry is harmful …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 03:10 PM
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Using the terms incel or nice guy as slurs inherently reinforces false and misandric narratives that were created to further shame and attack men, while normalizing toxic social dynamics and cultural realities that disadvantage men. They are often used as a way to gaslight men about their own suffering, their own emotions and their often very valid responses to social inequality and injustice between genders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 02:42 PM
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There is misandry on both sides of the political spectrum, and they each have their own spins and motivations. Most misandric feminism comes from the left but you will still find some on the right. It is not a "far right" ideology though, because you will find it in the moderate left and moderate right too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 02:39 PM
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Just about everything. Really. A man even looking at a woman can be seen as bad but the reverse wouldn't be. Men having standards, expressing views/opinions, having feelings, being shy, being introverted, being soft, expressing any kind of emotion/feelings, being caring/giving, being driven by something other than money, expressing any kind of sexuality, approaching women, talking to women, touching women, giving compliments, giving any kind of advice about anything(solicited or unsolicited), an…
/r/MensRights24/04/25 02:21 PM
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Being "big on your rights" is not really a problem when those rights are fair and equal. When what those people see as their "right" becomes twisted and is entirely one-sided, unfair, oppressive or inherently misandric, then it definitely becomes a major risk, and it becomes a major concern when the abuse of those rights is encouraged or even championed against men. Some of the greatest evils come from vindictive people abusing a system to cause harm, simply because they lack the remorse or empa…
/r/MensRights23/04/25 02:33 PM
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It's actually such an insane argument to me, because it's clear that violence by women against men is not only quite common and normalized, but entirely motivated by a systematic hatred of men that is now so ingrained into culture that people cannot help but see it as normal, no big deal or deserved. If people applied the same standards of empathy towards men as they do for women, they would effectively be repulsed by how much mistreatment and abuse is accepted when directed against men. It's al…
/r/MensRights23/04/25 02:29 PM
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Norway has had a misandry problem for a very long time now, just like many other places that allow for misandric rhetoric to reign rampant under the guise of feminism or its twisted view of gender equality. I'm glad to see more people waking up and taking a stance against gender inequality affecting men.
/r/MensRights22/04/25 07:06 PM
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if you feed the AI misandric data, then it will give misandric answers. It is a reflection of the culture, and how normalized misandry is across the board.
/r/MensRights22/04/25 07:03 PM
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In what sense is men working their lives away for the love or approval of women "free"? Women were free of the expectation to do hard or dangerous labor, and still free to choose who they wanted to spend their lives with(with the exception of arranged marriages which also affects men). That's more freedom than men have ever had. Plenty of men have been slaves or exploited for their labor and disposability as well throughout history. Plenty of men still are.
/r/MensRights10/04/25 06:01 PM
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Not only would these numbers look different if women are arrested for their crimes(a lot of those are sex crimes, which are often not even considered to be crimes when women do it) but those numbers would also be incredibly different if the expectations of provision, protection and sexual pursuit were all placed on women as well. These numbers would be a lot different if society actually cared about men's suffering and mental health, and actually did something to improve men's general quality of…
/r/MensRights10/04/25 04:44 PM
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Attitudes like this are pretty common on social media but all it really demonstrates to me is how feminists will romanticize or vilify men of the past in whatever way suits their own desires and narratives. Ignoring the fact that men still go to war for women today, all over the world(Ukraine being the prime example of this right now) and that men are just as protective/sentimental today as they were in the past, it's clear that these women are being manipulative here because the men who used to…
/r/MensRights10/04/25 03:22 PM
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It's a much bigger problem than just George Floyd. If you look at the statistics, gender has a significantly bigger correlation with police brutality or abuses of authority/violence. Police officers, male or female, will use force on men far quicker and with less reprehension/remorse than they would a woman, regardless of that man's size. They would be far more likely to shoot men than women as well. The cases of police violence against women are far more rare, because even when women are danger…
/r/MensRights09/04/25 03:35 PM
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It's ironic that their entire response to this is "a man posted this, therefore it is invalid", as if that wasn't one of the most sexist and chauvinistic positions someone could have about any opinion. Even worse when they try to invalidate the view with projections or judgements like "he's a 16 year old boy who hates his parents", as if the point was any less valid because he's not some perfect reflection of hypermasculinity. If it were a 16 year old girl who hates her parents though, they woul…
/r/MensRights08/04/25 03:27 PM
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It's mainly rooted in misandry and delusional persecution fantasies from feminists. The fact that incel is even used as a slur in the first place implies a great deal of negative projection, misinformation and misandry. It should be pretty evident to you why there is so much misandry on reddit, given how normalized and open it is.
/r/MensRights08/04/25 03:20 PM
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One of the most common trends I've seen from women who support this kind of misandry is this practice of hating on certain men, and then when they are challenged on it they look for any excuse to justify their hatred by any means necessary. It's often very evident, simply by the fact that they were hating on those men long before they found whatever reason they're using to hate on them in the first place. This seems like another one of those scenarios to me. A man having rape fantasies doesn't a…
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:48 PM
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A lot of the foundational beliefs of feminism are inherently misandric. If you have to create an alternate reality in which women are oppressed by men, who have devoted their lives to serve, protect, provide and care for women, and then use that alternate reality to justify special treatment for women or one-sided solutions that harm men in countless other ways, that is still misandry on paper.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 05:38 PM
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The very idea that it's up to men to pursue women, implies an unequal dynamic in which women benefit from being pursued and men are disadvantaged. Even the idea that it's only up to men to develop social skills, effectively to make up for women's own lack of social skills or lack of effort, is also a clear unequal dynamic in which women benefit and men are disadvantaged with. A lot of men also stop to pursue because it is no longer safe for them to do so, or they feel unwelcomed to pursue women.…
/r/MensRights02/04/25 08:41 PM
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That's true and that also brings up another issue in that even the way society tries to deconstruct men and masculinity is heavily biased and presented in a negative way. They don't dissect masculinity in the sense of "what is the cause and effect that led to this boy behaving a certain way in the first place" but they dissect it in the way of "men are bad and everything they do is bad. end of discussion". There is very little balance or nuance in how masculinity is actually deconstructed, becau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 02:47 PM
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When any behavior is rewarded or prevent punishment, or not doing that thing is punished(or prevent rewards), that is called conditioning. So when bad/toxic behaviors in men are rewarded by women, and good behaviors in men are punished, that is women teaching men to behave a certain way. They don't even have to say a single word either, because their attention, approval and respect can be given or denied without saying a thing. Hell, often it could even be in direct contradiction with their word…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 02:41 PM
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All of that but also the fact that misandry leads to far worse quality of life, less support, more stress/anxiety, more burdens of expectations, greater loss of reputation/social standing and worse mental health for men, all of which kills or pushes men into downward spirals of self-destructive behavior, substance abuse and gambling/crime, which also kills men. Misandry doesn't just kill men outright, it kills men indirectly as well and it is a far bigger and more widespread/normalized problem t…
/r/MensRights02/04/25 02:25 PM
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Most parents would not be proud of their kid for getting into fights at school but that kind of behavior would most certainly be romanticized or rewarded by a lot of women. Most bullying between boys tends to happen because it establishes a dominance hierarchy, because women will respond to it by seeing the bully as more attractive/masculine and the bullied as less attractive/masculine. Men are taught to be more passive by society, and by women, but they are also taught by women that being passi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/25 05:30 AM
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And Canada. It's part of the Nordic model. Criminalizes the buyer(mostly men) and decriminalizes the seller(mostly women). This is awful for so many reasons, besides being blatantly sexist in its targeting of men(inherently seeing criminalizing them for seeking sex/company outside of traditional relationships, which may not be available to them) and ignorant/dismissive of dominant social factors that primarily disadvantage men and benefit women in dating/relationships.
/r/MensRights29/03/25 10:06 PM
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That's a big problem when it comes to this issue and effectively another product of the way feminism has coopted the topic and made it almost impossible to recognize negative socio-economic factors when it comes to men. Misandry is so normalized that it's basically unrecognizable for people who are living in it or considered something that doesn't need to be addressed or not a real problem. But misandry does exist and it is causing a lot of issues for both men and women. No one really questions …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 05:50 PM
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Stop pretending like there's no issues or throwing every man that points out those issues under the bus because they're afraid of what women will think of them. The way to address the male loneliness problem is by addressing toxic femininity and misandry on a systematic level. Point it out, call it out, change the social dynamics around the issues so that they aren't so heavily normalized. Stop trying to derail with non-sense that is only really meant to further attack men and delegitimize their…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 03:00 PM
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threads like that kind of perfectly encapsulate why feminism is so harmful and toxic. The fact that it can convince so many people that everything is misogyny while misandry isn't real or isn't a problem, despite the fact that misandry is everywhere and causing all kinds of harm to everyone, is mind blowing. Feminism has normalized misandry so much that people are now convinced that it is harmless because of how much it rationalizes their hatred of men. There's revisionist history trying to pain…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 02:56 PM
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This is a really bad argument. This would be like saying "this killer watched south park that morning, so south park is to blame for a mass killing" or "this killer played video games before killing women, so misogyny is on the rise because video games hate women". The argument of "correlation does not mean causation" would apply here, if there was even any real correlation(which there isn't, plenty of people watch Andrew Tate without killing anyone and plenty of people who end up killing don't …
/r/MensRights27/03/25 02:44 PM
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Men who have offline friends are hanging out with friends, relatives, have support network are not lonely even if they are single. And even married men can be socially isolated. There are lots of research about detrimental effect of loneliness on people and men in particular. It is causing depression, somatic problems and reduces life expectancy significantly. Note here: it is about lack of communication with others and no friends, it is not about lack of sex. This is completely and fundamentall…
/r/MensRights27/03/25 02:31 PM
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Feminism is an ideology, not a gender. This post is not attacking women, it is attacking an ideology that is attacking men. Women and feminism are two very different things.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 03:11 PM
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Both movements are built on hate and advocate for the detriment, silencing and harm of another group. The menkampf subreddit is full of examples of feminism using nazi rhetoric. I don't really see it as necessary to the men's rights goal, because it should stay focused on the issues and less on attacking feminism itself, but there's it's clear that there's a lot of harm being done to men through feminism.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 03:09 PM
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It's a very common double standard that is deeply rooted in misandry and sexism. The problem is that misandry and sexism is so normalized that people see it as the norm, and so don't question it. It just doesn't stand out as a problem because it's so ingrained into how society thinks.
/r/MensRights25/03/25 02:29 PM
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The idea that femcels are just women who hate men feeds into the narrative that incels are just men who hate women and that is why they are not having any sex or deserving of any mistreatment they get. That is not, nor has it ever been the case. There are plenty of women who hate men, and have sex/relationships without issues, because they are attractive or because misandry is considered socially acceptable/negligible from women. There are also plenty of women who would be incels if they were me…
/r/MensRights25/03/25 02:26 PM
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Using real cases but changing a lot of key details or adding your own takes absolutely is propaganda. If a man jumps off a bridge because he's depressed or because he's been wronged by the system is then made into a television series where the man is depicted as some radicalized woman hater who gunned down three people on his way out, that is the most blatant example of propaganda I can think of. Producers and writers dramatize real events all the time, and often use those cases to push their ow…
/r/MensRights25/03/25 02:18 PM
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Most of the propaganda I am seeing against men is coming directly from the left. "Men don't have problems", "men are the problem", "men are getting indoctrinated by right wing propaganda/celebrities, and that is why they are depressed/violent and hate women", "men are bad because patriarchy", "there's no male loneliness problem", "men are depressed/lonely because they don't have any male friends and they deserve it because they suck". You see these types of false and debunked arguments being rep…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/25 02:11 PM
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A man dating two different women is not a safety concern, it's an ego concern. These women are not under any threat, they are simply looking to control or get even. These are not even married men but, evidently, men who are still in a dating stage. These apps are collective stalking tools, which have only been normalized because women seem to be under this belief that it's okay for them to stalk men. Those women also probably know that these men are seeing other women in their dating stages, oth…
/r/MensRights24/03/25 02:44 PM
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Some times it's just a matter a man wanting to spend more time with that woman and some times it's a matter of that woman demanding more time from that man. A lot of people can be oblivious to the amount of invisible labor that women can expect or require from men in relationships, leaving very little room for anything that isn't productive or serving the interests of those women. Men in relationships also tend to work longer hours because there are now much bigger expectations of performance an…
/r/MensRights24/03/25 03:13 AM
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Yet most men would actually be happy to cook meals for women, and would do so without expectations of reciprocity simply because they are just trilled to have a woman to cook for.
/r/MensRights23/03/25 09:17 PM
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So, misandric producers release sexist propaganda against men/boys in a fictional television series, and people use this as a justification for more sexist behavior and vilification/disenfranchisement of boys, which could only create or legitimize more misandry and sexist propaganda against men/boys. Actually insane.
/r/MensRights23/03/25 09:16 PM
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What's most damning about this kind of video, besides the blatant overstating of labor that women do and understating of labor that men do, is the level of contempt and hatred that women seem to have towards being of service to men specifically. This is a big difference between the general attitude that men have towards the services they perform for women or even the services that women perform for other women, compared to the services women perform for men. Most men would not only find a great …
/r/MensRights21/03/25 02:00 PM
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In the same way, men expressing sadness, anger or frustration is considered to be a sign of immaturity, weakness and child-like behavior, while women expressing the same kind of sadness, anger or frustration is seen as a healthy expression, strength of character or a sign of great maturity. The double-standards and biases are so evident if you just make the slightest effort to pay attention. Men are held to different standards, because they are expected to be these objects of emotional stability…
/r/MensRights20/03/25 02:44 PM
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This is so much more troubling than people realize. Either it demonstrates a massive systemic bias from all the data that has been collected in order to train this AI, or it demonstrates a willful bias or agenda from the people who are in charge of managing this AI's content policies. It also demonstrates just how much power and influence women and men haters actually have in the western world. Considering how much use these AI's are going to get, this is effectively going to shape the way cultu…
/r/MensRights20/03/25 02:39 PM
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They say it doesn't exist so that they can continue to be misandrists. If they can pretend like there is no wrong doing then they can keep doing it.
/r/MensRights19/03/25 05:41 PM
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Not only is this wrong, as there are certainly women who do this(they might not go to Asian countries, as popularized by passport bros, but rather Latin or African countries instead), but it's a pretty gross misrepresentation of men's motivations for looking abroad for partners. A man might look abroad for women and it might have nothing to do with their partner being submissive or those women being attracted to their wealth. It could be because they're looking for more traditional values, it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:31 AM
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This is just untrue, and a big projection. There's a plenty of other reasons for men to not care about income that much, you are simply choosing to go with the most misandric one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:27 AM
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It's really not. Every person enters a relationship with their own finances and should only really be looking at what they are bringing into the relationship, not what their partner is bringing in. That expectation just shouldn't exist, because it simply isn't their responsibility to provide you with any kind of lifestyle you desire. If you are in a relationship and you want more money, and a better life, then that is your desire and your ambition. It's not something you should be pushing onto a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:25 AM
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Men were expected to fill those roles and responsibilities for women's benefits, or were deemed unviable men. Men either had to be strong providers/protectors, and take on the roles women didn't want at that time, or be considered unworthy of affection, sex or children(which also meant, evolutionarily speaking, the end of them). It's not really "patriarchy", when it's women selectively perpetuating that exact dynamic in men, or creating the incentives necessary for that dynamic to exist. It's no…
/r/MensRights13/03/25 07:09 PM
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The idea that feminism was ever about equal rights is, in of itself, a feminist lie. Feminism did not start off with good intentions, it was always fueled by misandry. Even when seeking the right to vote for women, it was clear that the motivation there was riddled with hatred or resentment for men. Nothing has really changed about that in the last hundred years. The reality was that women still had a great deal of power/control in the home, and who their husbands voted for as well as what kind …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 06:52 PM
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You can tell this person doesn't really think much about these issues and just blindly follows everything ig feminists are telling her. Women tend to prefer older men not because "they are more mature", though from their perspective it might look like that, but because those men have typically learned the skills required to meet women into what they believe to be maturity. Which is a very different thing entirely. Men and women mature differently, and a lot of behaviors regarded as immaturity in…
/r/MensRights13/03/25 02:40 PM
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Most bullying goes away as men grow older. There is competition, or different dominance hierarchies based on traits, like height, strength, confidence, income, masculinity, etc, but there is very little direct bullying between men. Whatever little there is, is still performed for the same purpose: validation from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 02:15 PM
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Exactly. They can't even conceptualize misandry and misogyny as their own entities that exist independently of one another. Both are objective realities. The hatred of men exists and so does the hatred of women, and while one does feed the other(and vice versa), that does not mean that one necessitates the other. Just like you can love men and you can love women, and while love begets love, you can still have love in a place where there would otherwise be none or where none is returned.
/r/MensRights13/03/25 02:12 PM
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how exactly would just one man enforce this against 2000 people? I'm sure a lot of men wanted to save their own lives but if the men weren't willing to die for the sake of women and children, I doubt a single man would have been able to stop them. Especially in such a time critical emergency. Both the men and the women would have had to be there to enforce it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 02:09 PM
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Feminism has popularized this narrative that everything is misogyny and that misandry doesn't exist. Everything they see is filtered through that lens. There's nothing even remotely objective about the way they look at these issues, and it's a fundamental reason why feminism is so inherently dangerous, anti-male and anti-egalitarian.
/r/MensRights12/03/25 06:31 PM
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who exactly is determining what is or isn't misogynistic or "incel" beliefs? The very premise of this study seems inherently biased at its roots, and very unscientific.
/r/MensRights12/03/25 02:49 PM
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This is incredibly delusional or painfully blind of the world around you. Misandry is widespread among women, and perhaps only invisible to you because it has been so fundamentally normalized. Boys bullying other boys is mostly something that happens with children/teenagers, and fades over time as men mature. It is also typically a result of boys trying to build a hierarchy in order to distinguish themselves to girls. Most bullying is for female attention, and mostly exists because women reward …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:41 PM
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It's so strange how this idea of women intimidating men has become so popularized and normalized too. Like, why is any kind of intimidation, or attempts at intimidation, even remotely acceptable? Could you imagine men wearing "her body, my choice" hats and then being like "I wear this to intimidate weak women, look how strong, brave and independent I am!". People would see this as psychotic, sexist and chauvinistic. Yet, for some reason, women trying to "intimidate" men is acceptable. It's also …
/r/EverydayMisandry11/03/25 05:20 PM
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What you just described is not "patriarchy", it's just normalized misandry or social issues being redefined under a feminist lens. Feminine men get side-eyed because women actively judge them for not being masculine. It is women's preferences being pushed on men, and the rest of society/culture as a whole. That's more of a gynarchy problem than a patriarchy problem. You also have to ask yourself "who wants men to be leads, take on the brunt of the hard work, risks and responsibilities, to be ass…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 05:14 PM
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Voting without selective service or risk of conscription is a desire without responsibility. Working without financial responsibilities to the opposite gender is desires without responsibility. Men are still expected to pay for dates, absorb women's debts, pay more taxes and take on the brunt of the financial responsibilities at home, and women are still often very quick to dismiss men who make less than them. It's not really going too far when most men are working to be of service to women and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 05:10 PM
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The disparity between men and women, or boys and girls, in math and sciences has always been a problem of misandry, not misogyny. There is no great conspiracy to keep women out of STEM, what there is a great deal of women who look at math and sciences as "nerd" fields or low social status fields. The problem is not the men keeping the women out but rather women's own prejudices against the men in math and sciences. Women do not want to enter those fields because they simply do not want to be aro…
/r/MensRights11/03/25 05:03 PM
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I think it really just comes down to few driving factors. The idea that women are "the prize", the idea that women are "more complex" and the idea that women are "more sensitive/empathetic", none of which are inherently true but simply different aspects of existing social constructs. The idea that women are the prize effectively creates a power dynamic in which women feel as though they of a greater worth than men, and therefor not only do not need to concern themselves with the feelings/problem…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 04:39 PM
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Exactly. Feminism was never about equality but rather about fighting for women's desires, without responsibility, and legitimizing toxic traits in women(effectively normalizing toxic femininity). It rewards and encourages female chauvinism and misandry, rather than fight against it, because without it there is very little for them to actually fight about. It redefines everything as chauvinism, while maintaining that misandry cannot exist, creating an endless cause for them to continue spreading …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 04:23 PM
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Yes. Far more than you realize. Male bashing is incredibly common and normalized, and women often do bond over it. They will often support each other over their fear of men, their prejudices against men, their negative experiences with men(which they will generalize against all men) and they will often exclude or discriminate against men in order to promote female friendships or relations too. Women rarely, if ever, call each other out on their chauvinism or prejudices against men, and either ch…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 03:54 AM
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It's very sad because it's effectively just being a good partner, and women resent men for wanting them to be there for them emotionally despite the fact that those men would often not only do the same for them but be happy to even have the opportunity to be of service. Those same women would also fully resent men for not being there emotionally for them.
/r/MensRights10/03/25 03:34 AM
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I don't think it's biological, personally. I think what you are describing is an aspect of toxic femininity, and very much a behavior that is learned. Women learn to have these kinds of emotional expectations of men but not of themselves because it's socially enabled. It's just girls being girls, with this idea that it's an innate trait simply allowing women to have these expectations of men while men do not really have those expectations of women. They resent emotions or vulnerability in men si…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 03:32 AM
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Feminism is built to only see misogyny in all things. If it was just male on male porn being made, feminists would be calling it discriminatory to not allow women to be filmed having sex or call it a tool a patriarchal oppression or indoctrination. The only real reason women hate on porn so much is male heterophobia, it's a matter of resentment against male heterosexuality or a matter of control over it.
/r/MensRights09/03/25 09:43 PM
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if a woman can do this and people find it funny/empowering, but a man does this and it's considered creepy/demeaing, then it's gendered.
/r/MensRights06/03/25 07:42 PM
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I've also seen a few instances of women creating a hostile work environment for other men in the office. Gossiping openly, making sexual remarks about who they would or wouldn't have sex with in the office while within earshot, trash talking other men with explicit remarks like commenting on their dick size or how many women that man might have or not have slept with.
/r/MensRights06/03/25 07:37 PM
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It's a fairly disrespectful gesture, and it is clearly a form of gendered disrespect as well. Arguably some kind of power play as well, since the testicles are the literal and symbolic embodiment of masculinity. Imagine if a male doctor took out a female cadaver's breasts or ovaries, and then posed with them as if they were toys for a dating picture. Women would find that very disrespectful of that woman's corpse, and unnecessarily distasteful or invasive towards the female body. I'm not sure if…
/r/MensRights06/03/25 03:01 PM
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No one is laughing with you. You just look like an ass.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 07:24 PM
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Feminists are often quick to throw this idea of mental load at men, only demonstrating how detached they are from reality but that they will really look for any excuse to hate on men. The reality is that men not only do a lot of mental load in relationships for women, but they also take on the brunt of the mental load when it comes to dating as well(with men who fail to establish themselves as a stronger mental partner often being rejected and dismissed by women entirely). Men not only have to b…
/r/MensRights05/03/25 07:23 PM
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This is just a product of, and a perfect example of, how much misandry and body shaming men is normalized. People don't even question it, because it's so common but it is objectively a double-standard. They don't think it matters because it's men who are being made to feel bad about their bodies, and hurting men is considered acceptable while hurting women is not.
/r/MensRights04/03/25 07:57 PM
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I can tell you read nothing I wrote, because I already explained how misandry kills, and how that might not show in traditional violence statistics(especially if there is a bias in how those numbers are recorded). Women who kill might not resort to direct methods the way men would, but they can certain employ other means of aggression. Men committing more crimes also doesn't inherently mean that men are more violent. Men are trained to be more violent, and expected to be more capable of violence…
/r/MensRights03/03/25 06:53 PM
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We live in a culture where everything is considered misogyny, and where misandry is not even recognized despite being everywhere. So, there's a lot of fallacies about this argument and it is inherently made to downplay the negative impacts of misandry while over-stating the impacts of misogyny. Most misogyny just annoys. Most of the misogyny you will still see today are kitchen jokes or driving jokes, and even the men making these kinds of jokes still love women and seek validation from women(pl…
/r/MensRights28/02/25 05:41 PM
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I cannot believe someone would actually try to make the argument that there is a "rape culture", as in rape being normalized or encouraged, because "rape happens more than rape accusations". This is the logical equivalent of saying theft happens more than slander, so we are in a theft culture. They are two completely different crimes, which happen for different reasons, and there many other factors involved with sexual assault that have nothing to do with it being normalized. One happening more …
/r/MensRights28/02/25 04:39 PM
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Feminism is like a religion. It has to be dragged kicking and screaming through every basic social issue, as it fights against even the most basic of self-evident truths or scientific realities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/25 02:51 AM
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It is a sexist statement and it is effectively a tool of manipulation that is only effective because men can be self-conscious about their dick size and judged for it by women. It's flaunting a form of privilege and it can effectively be used by women to silence any opinion from men they don't like. There's nothing good about it.
/r/MensRights28/02/25 02:39 AM
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They live in an echo chamber, surrounded by hateful women who will reaffirm all of their beliefs and who will instantly attack anyone with views that aren't affirming their bigotry. It is very clear that men do not have all the same rights women have, and that women benefit from far more privileges than men do. A lot of the legal rights that women didn't have back then came as a result of men being expected to hold all of the financial burdens, and when women decided that no longer suited them, …
/r/MensRights27/02/25 04:54 PM
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All of the hate that is generally directed at nice guys is projection or strawman arguments. They are also often rooted in deep misandry and blatant disregard for major social inequalities and double-standards. Men are judged quite harshly and negatively, especially by women, for their kindness, and then women are labelled the kinder gender because their kindness is either noticed or appreciated, instead presumed to be a manipulative tactic or a form of weakness.
/r/MensRights25/02/25 03:00 AM
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Men do not "deserve" to be hated and none of the hatred is justified. The first thing you should do is shed that kind of acceptance for misandry, and stop internalizing their hatred. Their hatred may be normalized in their echo chambers, or the world in general, but it certainly shouldn't be normalized within you.
/r/MensRights24/02/25 04:17 PM
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it's obvious to everyone that if the genders were reversed, men reacting like this would be called immature, insecure, misogynists or sore losers, but what's most troubling is that this kind of behavior would be completely ignored or normalized from women. At first it would be denied, of course, but even when the evidence is presented to them, the goal post would just move to "well, that's just the way women are and if you don't like it, you're a misogynist". It also really speaks volumes on the…
/r/MensRights21/02/25 03:26 PM
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Men don't want to be viewed as "gay" because they're afraid that their heterosexuality or masculinity will be reduced or put into question. It is a direct reaction to the way many women treat men they don't see as masculine, which is negative. Men also tend to be a bit more reactive to bullying from other men, because that kind of bullying is generally done to create a hierarchy of dominance between men, with women usually just rewarding the ones doing the bullying over the ones being bullied. T…
/r/MensRights18/02/25 04:05 AM
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Those are a few examples of hyper successful men, who probably got to where they were because they had something to prove(which is generally a result of how they are treated by women). Their brands were successful because they appealed to women(you can see how Musk's popularity with liberal women is causing major backlash against their his products) but also because they were products that sold well with women too. If no woman used amazon, or shamed men for using amazon, it probably would have t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 03:19 AM
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The irony to me, is that most men don't really care about what other men's negative judgment to begin with. Him hating other men is not actually going to have any other effect on other men, because he simply doesn't have any real power or stake over their lives the way women do. This is especially true as men grow older. It's even more ironic when you consider the reality that a lot of the bullying that men do in their high school/university years are really just about establishing a form of dom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 03:15 AM
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Practically everything men do on a micro and macro scale is for the attention and benefit of women(even male political leaders have to be accountable to women, both in their personal lives and as a whole). Practically everything women do, on a micro and macro scale, is for the attention and benefit of women. We do not live in a patriarchy, we live in a gynarchy. Women have so much more influence over what men do than other men do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 10:50 PM
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the misandry is quite visible. it is not hidden. It is simply far too normalized for people to care or even register it, let alone fight against it at a major social cost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 10:46 PM
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Vilifying involuntarily celibate men is a good way to not only validate their pre-existing prejudices and judgements towards those men(and presenting themselves as righteous for mistreating or belittling them) but an attempt to demonstrate solidarity to other women in this sort of "unified" rejection of certain men. It's very much a demonstration of group thinking and chauvinism, or this "women are more effective bullies when they stick together" type of threat.
/r/MensRights15/02/25 10:41 PM
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Don't forget too that women will often fall back to "whoever asks should pay" when confronted with the blatant hypocrisy of the gendered expectation that is placed on men to pay for dinner, completely disregarding the fact that women will also generally expect men to ask them out even when they were attracted to that man first.
/r/MensRights15/02/25 10:38 PM
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Of course. A major reason why so many men grow very sensitive about how masculine/straight they are perceived is because of how harshly women will judge them for not being masculine or not appearing straight. There are always exceptions but, for the vast majority of society, women are actually quite brutal to non-masculine straight men. Straight men have every right to be hyper-sensitive or "insecure" about how they are being perceived, because they are the ones ultimately paying the price of th…
/r/MensRights12/02/25 02:27 PM
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This is pretty sick when you consider that they are effectively trying to paint themselves as victims of just being kind or respectful towards men, or trying to paint themselves as victims for doing a fraction of the emotional and social labor that men are expected to do for women every day. As if men didn't have to put in time and energy to make women feel wanted or desired, to cater to their emotional needs, to work on ourselves in order to be the kind and empathetic partners they deserve. Dat…
/r/MensRights11/02/25 03:00 PM
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Whatever benefit were gained from war, whether that be safety, comfort, resources, land or economic opportunities, women benefited from too. Probably more so, because most of the abundance and wealth that men accumulate, through war or otherwise, is spent on women, and because women will gravitate towards the men with all the wealth. What's more, is that every political leader that is in power would have not only been accountable to serve women's interest(if not to appease women directly, or the…
/r/MensRights10/02/25 04:01 AM
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Facts and opinions should not be invalidated because they come from men.
/r/MensRights10/02/25 03:55 AM
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I hate how they keep trying to dismiss this issue as "It's a man on man problem" when none of the evidence or expressed views of those men reflect that in the slightest. The simple reality is that men need women and women need men, the major differences is that men are expected to pursue women, which automatically puts men in a position of scarcity for female attention and women in a position of abundance for male attention. Women treating men poorly is also, largely, accepted because of this dy…
/r/MensRights08/02/25 09:22 PM
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Men being called creeps is just a combination of androphobia and heterophobia. It is a fear or disdain of male heterosexual expression or interest. The reality is that women could do the exact same thing men are labelled creeps for and it would be considered just playful fun, hot or a compliment. It's hostile or negative predisposition that is learned and passed from one woman to the next, because if it were just a natural reaction to bad behavior then it would be consistent across the board and…
/r/MensRights08/02/25 03:12 PM
2

this is a common feminist hate narrative but it doesn't really hold up to any logic. The systems we live in are not just created by men. People in power are people with money or people who are elected. There are plenty of women with money but the main reason why there are so many more men with money is because men have to devote their entire lives to making money in order to build an identity and a sense of value. Women do not have to do that, at a systematic level, but they can. Women can becom…
/r/MensRights06/02/25 04:14 PM
5

Feminism has created a world where everything is misogyny and misandry can't even be recognized, even though it is everywhere. You could honestly take that scene from 'they live' where protagonist puts on the glasses and can see everything for what it is, and apply that to misandry. Men serve, women live. Men work, women consume. Men obey, women dictate. When men have independent thoughts, they are labelled incels and misogynists, or outright assaulted simply because physical violence against me…
/r/MensRights06/02/25 04:02 PM
0

no, the only solution is a lack of discrimination in gyms. Accepting sexism just enables and promotes more sexism.
/r/MensRights06/02/25 03:54 PM
1

Men also have to take care of their appearance. Women don't have to wear make up but it is a tool that is at their disposal that they can use to make up for other factors. The reality is that for men, every other factor simply matters more. Women can hit the gym and lose weight, just like men can, but there's more diversity in what is considered an attractive body in a woman. Similar to height, hair or face, there's generally more diversity in what is considered attractive for women, and it is m…
/r/MensRights06/02/25 03:53 PM
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No, they wouldn't be. Not just because it's sexist or hypocritical but because it would generally just feel like a shitty place to work out in. I know when I go to gyms with women only sections and the rest of the co-ed space is 95% men, it feels wrong. There's a clear lack of diversity there that is being forced and the feeling of segregation is not a good feeling. Men only gym are just as bad, and one form of prejudice does not justify another. All gyms should simply aim to be inclusive to all…
/r/MensRights04/02/25 05:25 PM
2

The left lives in a world where everything is misogyny and misandry isn't even acknowledged or perceived as possible. How could the left not lose younger men?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 04:03 AM
2

There's a so many different factors that play into this. For starters, women are far more valued in culture than men are, mainly because of how much men desire women compared to how much women value men(which is also caused by women being pedestalized and men being expected to pursue/initiate) but also because of all the positive biases there are for women and negative biases there are against men. Women are more welcomed in social settings. Having more women at a party is seen as an indication …
/r/MensRights02/02/25 08:26 PM
3

Feminism lives in a false reality where everything is misogyny and misandry doesn't exist. that's all the justification they need.
/r/MensRights30/01/25 08:07 PM
3

This is the typical narrative from feminists but it effectively a very twisted way to try and not only justify misandry from women but invalidate a lot of men's issues by presenting it as something it's not(effectively telling men they are only suffering because they don't have enough male friends, and not because of all the other social problem that cause their suffering in the first place) and it's a way for women to justify not doing anything and not caring by presenting it as a "man on man p…
/r/MensRights30/01/25 08:06 PM
1

They will always look for ways to attack men and men's voices. This is not anything new.
/r/MensRights30/01/25 07:56 PM
2

gender roles put all kinds of unnecessary burdens on men, which then cascade into every other aspect of their lives. It's invisible labor, it's invisible emotional labor, it's unrealistic expectations and it's forcing people to conformed into a very narrow pathway to life. Plenty of men might be satisfied falling into that path but that does not mean that it is a good path or that it's right to force all men into that same path. A lot of men will be dissatisfied.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 07:44 PM
9

if men were treated more fairly and humanely in society, then there probably wouldn't be such a need for men to go to therapy in the first place. If men were just allowed to express their emotions safely, then there wouldn't be a need for therapy either. The reality is that if every man decided to go to therapy over their problems, it would collapse the industry, but most men simply do not have the time, money or care to seek out therapists who may not even have their best interests in mind. The…
/r/MensRights14/01/25 07:41 PM
1

I'm not even sure "free meal and dump" or "pump and dump" would even qualify as objectification. It is manipulative, inconsiderate and opportunistic but it is not necessarily seeing people as objects. It is definitely taking advantage of people, and it is wrong, but it isn't really treating them like objects either. You are still seeing people as people, just with very unhealthy and one-sided expectations about what they should just do for you or accept from you.
/r/MensRights06/01/25 10:48 PM
3

Don't forget "men don't need their own movement, feminism is already about equality".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/25 07:19 PM
2

It does exist but it is grossly misused when regarding women. Objectification means to present a person as an object or a commodity. This could mean that if you see a beautiful woman, and you only see that beauty as a commodity that will bring value to you if you possess it, then that is objectification. Likewise, when a woman looks at a successful or tall man, and is only attracted to him because she can commodify that trait and see herself as gaining value from that man because of it, that is …
/r/MensRights06/01/25 07:11 PM
11

Three main reasons: Men are expected to pursue, this creates two very different dynamics between men and women. Men have to keep trying to attract women and women can kind of just sit back and let men do all the work. Men also have to put in a lot more effort to get sex/relationships, therefore will feel more invested and will be far more tolerant of minor flaws and inconsistencies from women. Women can just be very picky and come up with ridiculous reasons, or "icks", to reject men, because the…
/r/MensRights02/01/25 03:46 PM
1

Feminism isn't just about women's rights, and realistically never really has been. It has always been about presenting women's issues in a one-sided manner, either understating the way men are disadvantaged or women advantaged, in order to present this false narrative of female oppression and address issues under that lens. Under feminism aspects of society that harm men and that harm women are presented as misogyny or patriarchy. Every issue is presented with this gynocentric force tipping the …
/r/MensRights31/12/24 02:30 AM
1

Yes. It is a completely played out position and ultimately just a self-serving delusion meant to justify misandry, indifference for men's issues and a lack of accountability towards women's complicity in society. It's also circular reasoning. Everything is men's fault because of patriarchy and the patriarchy exists because everything is men's fault. Every issues is a women's rights issues and men have no issues because we live in a patriarchy and we live in a patriarchy because every issue is a …
/r/MensRights23/12/24 06:55 PM
25

And then they will say "Always a man" and "misandry doesn't kill". This is androcide.
/r/MensRights20/12/24 07:12 PM
2

The vast majority of women do not want to fight and a man's life is regarded as being lesser than a woman's by both men and women(arguably more so women, because a man would generally have a sense of self-preservation to not die first in all cases). Women have influence over men, men respond to what women want. If the vast majority of women actually wanted to fight the way the men are, they would be taking up arms, they would be showing how competent they are with guns and how ready they are to …
/r/MensRights20/12/24 03:53 AM
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Feminism isn't about fighting for women's rights, or at least it stopped being about that a long time ago.
/r/MensRights20/12/24 03:46 AM
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It is a lie but not just for that reason. The reality is that a lot of what is accounted to misogyny, often isn't, and a lot of what is accounted as men just dying unnoticed isn't accounted to misandry. A husband killing his wife is regarded as misogyny killing but it's very unlikely that a husband killed his wife because he hates women. It was likely mental health issues(which could have come as a result of misandry) or for any other reason but the defining factor here wasn't that she was a wom…
/r/MensRights17/12/24 05:56 PM
2

domestic abuse, sexism, chauvinism, being political, saying dumb shit, emotionally manipulating/abusing opposite sex, unsolicited physical contact with the opposite sex, dating requirements, objectification of opposite sex, antagonization/belligerence, stalking, gossiping, sexist entitlements in dating, complaining about their problems, using statistics to justify prejudices against the opposite sex, dating multiple members of the opposite sex at the same time, avoiding responsibilities when dea…
/r/MensRights17/12/24 04:35 AM
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It's a combination of female privilege/power(gynocracy) and feminism effectively having been able to popularize the idea that sexism is a one-way street, can only really be against women and cannot affect men. That is also a narrative that has been adopted by mainstream reddit and a lot of western culture.
/r/MensRights10/12/24 04:17 AM
3

Do you think a man cares if he gets stabbed by a man or a woman? Or if he gets sucker-punched by a 200lbs man or a 200lbs woman? It doesn't really matter if it's not exactly the same. The danger and the harm is still there either way.
/r/MensRights02/12/24 04:26 PM
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On the one hand, yes, it is sexist to argue that all girls should learn to defend themselves, especially if it's pushed because of this implied premise that men the only danger to them. In reality, anyone should learn how to defend themselves, especially if they are smaller or weaker. Women should learn to defend themselves from other women too, and men should learn to defend themselves against either men or women. On the other hand, women learning self defense also goes a long way in addressing…
/r/MensRights02/12/24 04:23 PM
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There are already plenty of posts in here you could look up that would go into issues but, if this post does show anything, is that there is very clearly a major issue with the lack of understanding, education and awareness for men's issue both within feminism and mainstream as a whole(which has grown to adapt feminism). The lack of perspective and self-awareness within feminism is a largely overlooked men's issue. It's weird that you would even bring up examples like "if she cheats on me, she d…
/r/MensRights26/11/24 02:48 AM
5

It's funny how men are labelled enables when they call out misandry and negative stereotyping, while women never see themselves as enablers or apologists when they not only romanticize predatory men, often over good men, but also often even setup their entire dating strategy in a way so that predatory men succeed. The reality is, however, that most men are not only already being held accountable but they are often even shamed or presented as far worse than they are for having basic human emotion…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/11/24 07:41 PM
2

My entire life I keep hearing about this "fragile male ego" and how women are more mature than men, but then you see stuff like that and you realize that women's egos are just as fragile and women are far less mature than men are. The only difference is how much bias in how those things are recognized and understood.
/r/MensRights15/11/24 07:57 PM
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My most common experience with misandry is just constant sentiments of condescension or exclusion. This could be things like constantly hearing women talk about how dumb or shit men are, constantly seeing women make plans that exclude men thinking there's nothing wrong with it, or seeing businesses/services only being offered to women. Then there's also issues like people just assuming the worst of my intentions or not really giving me the benefit of the doubt because I am a man. There's seeing …
/r/MensRights14/11/24 03:32 PM
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Do they not understand that literally all of heterosexual dating and marriage is built on men "woman-keeping"? Like, how many relationships rely on the fact that men have to read and accommodate to their partner's emotional instabilities, or put in the emotional work themselves to become the emotionally stable men that the emotionally unstable women rely on or find desirable? The amount of silent labor that men have to do for women, simply to keep the relationship from crumbling, is considerably…
/r/MensRights13/11/24 06:39 PM
1

It's like you didn't read a single word I wrote. Not sure what men could do more than what women could. The men fighting under Putin also believe that they are fighting for women's best interests.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/11/24 04:19 AM
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Yes, that is generally how prejudice works.
/r/MensRights13/11/24 04:18 AM
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Hopefully those women are using their freedom/platforms to advocate or fund raise for Ukraine. Women can definitely network a lot easier than men, as they are generally more welcomed in most spaces, so there's a potential advantage to focusing women for humanitarian efforts abroad.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/11/24 05:07 AM
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Of course Putin is influenced by women. He was raised by women, has lusted over women, desired women's approval and wants to serve women's interest just like any other man. He wasn't born/raised in a vacuum. Every man in a position of power has to hold himself accountable to the way he serves women, or they will be judged by their peers and they will see themselves as failures. Everything Putin is doing, he likely believes is in the best interest of the men and women of Russia.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/11/24 05:05 AM
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Men are victims of increasingly unwelcoming, unfriendly and intolerant women, women also most affected.
/r/MensRights12/11/24 04:56 AM
1

I don't think gay men ever used to refer to themselves with that word. It's not really the same. It would be more like if gay people used the word gay to refer to themselves, and then homophobic people tried to make the word gay a derogatory term.
/r/MensRights10/11/24 09:58 PM
3

It's only a derogatory term when it is used as a derogatory term, otherwise it just stands for involuntarily celibate.
/r/MensRights08/11/24 08:10 PM
6

I'm sure they get their share of seedy customers but most incels are decent, appreciative, respectful and kind men. It doesn't really take that much for a man to be an incel. A little bit of shyness, lack of confidence or even just being in their feelings too much is enough for a man to be an incel. This kind of prejudice from sex workers doesn't come from dealing with occasionally shitty men, because if they had a sound perspective on men to begin with they would recognize that there are good a…
/r/MensRights08/11/24 07:27 PM
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It's crazy that they are trying to get special praise for what is effectively just basic kindness towards men. Like, hearing out a man you're dating or giving him a hug every once in a while shouldn't be considered such a drastic expectation of women. Men are also expected to do all this for women, on top of all the invisible emotional labor that men are expected to do to create a safe and stable emotional space for women, or their emotional instability, in relationships. It's so disheartening t…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 04:12 PM
7

It's such an weak and shortsighted response from those women, and it doesn't really compare that well to the MGTOW movement in my opinion because women control the dating game. They have the power of choice here and all the privilege that comes with it, which inherently makes it a very different situation to MGTOW, which was basically men who didn't have the power of choice or the privilege to do anything else but leave. Women have other options. They could just choose different men or choose to…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 04:01 PM
8

The major problem is that feminists will manipulate the wording to define their own narrative. When a heterosexual man rapes a woman, it is not because of misogyny or hostile sexism, it is because he is mentally ill, violent and only sexually attracted to women. That is also true when a husband assaults his wife or a jaded man assaults women who rejected him. The defining factor here isn't a view of women as a gender but rather a drive for sexual gratification/power/revenge that is a reflection …
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:45 PM
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This, to me, perfectly exemplifies why patriarchy theory fails. This is not an uncommon or new sentiment. Fathers have always looked to do what's best for their daughters, with very little regard for what's best for their sons. And this on both sides of the aisle, because the men voting for trump probably think they're doing what's best for their daughters/wives too, they might just have a different view of what that looks like or just didn't get caught up in all the hysteria. The sentiment of m…
/r/MensRights06/11/24 07:32 PM
5

It's crazy to me how some women make these kind of arguments when it really isn't that hard to differentiate between good and bad men. It doesn't really take that much effort, and most people can do this outside of a romantic setting just fine. The problem is, and always has been, that women romanticize and prioritize qualities that aren't actually conductive to a good man or a good partner.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 03:23 PM
4

It be really cool to see a woman run for president without running on a platform of misandry.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 03:11 PM
1

Yes. Not just sadness though, any emotion. Sadness, anxiety, fear or anger all get seen as a signs of weakness, childishness or femininity, which women will generally feel repulsed by, even as they show those emotions daily without reproach. Women were also often quick to present those emotions as emotional instability, which will also be treated differently because I am a man. I've been shamed for expressing love, or being in love, with someone who did not feel the same way, and then labelled a…
/r/MensRights06/11/24 03:10 PM
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It's ironic because they are effectively showing how sex is a commodity for them, that they can use to manipulate or pressure men into doing or voting how they want. Their 4B movement is far more about ego, prejudice and control than the MGTOW movement, which was effectively just about "how do we stop women from treating us poorly?". All this time they kept running with this narrative of "nice guys just think women are vending machines where you can put in niceness coins and get sex", which wasn…
/r/MensRights06/11/24 02:37 PM
13

The simplest realization was simply my own life experiences. It has always been evident to me that the kinder or giving I am as a man, the more I am punished for it by women. I can also see that everything I have done in my life, has been for women. Whether that be training at the gym, working to get a job that pays me more than I need as a single man, every form of education that put myself through, every hobby that I pursued to make myself more interesting, the car or the cologne that I buy, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 04:14 PM
2

Collectivism on the basis of community or common goals? Sure. Collectivism on the basis of gender or segregation? Not so much.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 04:10 PM
4

I think that's a projection from a lot of women, and a reflection on how a lot of women tend to let other women dictate how they think or act through collectivism. A lot of women will also just bond together as women, never really questioning the fact that it is misandry and female chauvinism at the root of that bond. It's not coming from a good place, and they should be happy that men do not bond over misogyny and male chauvinism against women the way so many women do against men. Women will al…
/r/MensRights01/11/24 04:09 PM
4

If you invent something, you have invented it. If no one else has it, you own it. This does not require further evidence because it is inherently self-evident.
/r/MensRights31/10/24 03:10 PM
9

I don't really see this subreddit as a "men's space". I think the concept of "male spaces" and "female spaces" are mostly popularized by sexist people, looking for excuses to exclude or separate people on the basis of their gender. The fact that it has been so widely adopted by feminists kind of just further demonstrates that feminism isn't really about equality and often used by sexist women as an excuse or cover to further hate on men. This is a space that is, or should be, for everyone to dis…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 03:08 PM
1

Men do these things because they are desperate and starved. It's easy to argue that men should just hold fast and give nothing to women, but the men who are expected to make those sacrifices are suffering too. Men can certainly try to do all those things but, at the end of the day, it's still women who old most of the power in this regard.
/r/MensRights30/10/24 03:39 PM
0

That is the why. It's incremental growth. That's it.
/r/MensRights30/10/24 03:37 PM
1

It's never actually "always a man", they just ignore, forget or make excuses for when women do bad things.
/r/MensRights30/10/24 03:36 PM
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It's getting worse because the more misandry is normalized, the more misandry women can get away with. The more it becomes the norm, the more they can get away with extreme views and the more those extreme views become the norm. It's self-reinforcing.
/r/MensRights28/10/24 10:34 PM
12

Men already give each other plenty of support and platonic love. It's not actually a real problem or even a real solution. This argument is a major fallacy, usually meant to derail the issue of male loneliness or push the blame back on men. It is a position that is mostly rooted in misandry, not fact. The reality is that misandry and toxic romantic expectations from heterosexual women are still rampant, and the type of love, acceptance and support that men are seriously lacking right now could o…
/r/MensRights28/10/24 10:32 PM
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Same reason it has always been tolerated: it appeals women and women have always had a great deal of power and influence over men, culture and society. Most men just aren't going to risk getting cancelled or delegitimized to stand up to sexist women, and chauvinistic women aren't going to call out other sexist women either. It's just a lack of accountability and a systematic desire to please and appease women.
/r/MensRights28/10/24 08:09 PM
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Sorry but I just don't see it. Decriminalization of sex work? Yes. I would say that is directly a men's rights issue because a lot of the laws, views and practices around sex work are explicitly gendered and misandric. Cannabis isn't really gendered. The only time I've seen gender play into cannabis use is that men who smoke weed are often portrayed as losers/incels while women who smoke weed are not. That's not a matter of decriminalization though.
/r/MensRights28/10/24 02:28 PM
2

I'm not sure I fully agree with you because I don't think it's purely physical violence that is being downplayed against emotional/psychological violence, it is mainly violence against men that is being downplayed. Physical violence against women is still treated as a far worse crime than physical violence against men. From a public perspective, a man punching a woman would be viewed as committing a worse crime than a woman killing or castrating a man. Committing psychological or emotional abuse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/24 02:25 PM
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The most dangerous part about female on male bullying, in my opinion, is the fact that it is so readily accepted and unregulated. Boys are generally raised, with extreme prejudice, that they must be especially gentle around women or that they must be able to handle being in a position of power over women with absolute grace, restraint and accountability. The same isn't really taught to girls. Women are never really raised to hold themselves accountable when they are in a position of power over b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 06:14 PM
1

It is mainly an issue of how it is used and weaponized against men. It is entirely reasonable to say that certain aspects of "masculinity", as it exists in a certain moment in time, can be toxic but it doesn't really make sense to try to label men as toxic for being masculine, especially not when it's women pushing the expectations of masculinity onto men. It's also incredibly dishonest and hypocritical to try and discuss the idea of toxic masculinity, while pretending like toxic femininity woul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 06:08 PM
3

Nothing you just pointed out contradicts my point of view. Individual women going against the rest of society at their own peril doesn't invalidate the fact that most of society behaved in what they believed were women's best interest. The idea then was that most women did not want these changes to happen, but when the social consensus changed, as in women as a group, then so did the rest of society. These women are attacked because they are also seen as extremists who are going against what the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 02:48 PM
23

I experience it every day. It is everywhere and it is systematic. I see it on social media everywhere. I see it in casual conversations, especially with women. I see it in social advocacy, with all kinds of non-gendered issues being presented as women-only problems. I see it in exclusionary practices, like gyms allocating more spaces to women or special incentives/businesses just for women. I see it in the way women fear men, and just accept that fear as entirely rational and justified. It is no…
/r/MensRights24/10/24 02:44 PM
3

Women "liberated" themselves by simply by changing priorities and voicing new demands to men, and men changed to meet these new demands as they always have. Women just changed their tuned and men learned to dance to that new tune. Feminism wasn't really so much of a struggle against men but rather a struggle to convince women to complain about something new. It capitalized on men's pre-existing disposition towards women, and to do whatever it is that will make them happy. This is why gender role…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/24 04:48 PM
69

Imagine if people were just like "I don't blame him for drugging his clients and taking their money, instead of just allowing himself to be exploited for his labor". No one would be okay with that.
/r/MensRights22/10/24 04:44 PM
30

The "patriarchy" is basically just the expectation of leadership, provision and protection being placed on men by women. Women still choose who leads, provides and protects them, putting that burden onto men, and in doing so dictate all the qualities and alignments those men need to have to reproduce. They set the tune that men must dance to. We don't actually live in a patriarchy, as in a world built for men and by men. We live in a world that is mainly built for women by men. It is a gynarchy.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 08:06 PM
2

the way women use the term boys and the way men use the term boys is quite different. Women use it as a derogatory slur. Men use it as a term of familiarity.
/r/MensRights18/10/24 08:01 PM
2

male pick me's: "men are all scum and rapists" female pick me's: "men deserve to be treated fairly and with dignity" It's kind of wild the difference between the two, or level of hate that women will get for even showing the most basic level of empathy or decency for men. It doesn't even make sense as an insult. Like, sure, it often indicates that people are forgoing their own sense of self to please the other gender but, at the end of the day, people want to get picked. When you get a really go…
/r/MensRights17/10/24 05:06 PM
9

People still consistently use the term "boys" or "real man" to refer to adult men too, knowing that it is condescending or patronizing.
/r/MensRights17/10/24 02:29 PM
1

What are you talking about? Nothing about my point had anything to do with physical capabilities and you saying "it's not biased against women" isn't actually a demonstration that it isn't. Nothing you just stated was in any way helpful.
/r/MensRights15/10/24 04:00 PM
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There is also a massive bias in the way maturity is viewed, interpreted and measured, that favors women as well. People will not necessarily see the way boys/men grow up or have to mature in different ways than women. They will see boys/men horse around and call that immaturity, or see men struggle with women despite the fact that culture doesn't really grant them the same social/sexual opportunities as women, and call that immaturity. It will ignore all the ways women infantilize themselves or …
/r/MensRights09/10/24 03:30 AM
2

That's another example of an absolutely insane and hateful take that just grew to a ridiculous amount of support simply because misandric women defended each other in their rationalizations instead of being objective. It doesn't hold up to any amount of scrutiny, yet was still everywhere and anyone who tried to question it instantly got slandered or labelled as a misogynist.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 08:52 PM
3

Men are shamed for not paying for a woman's way in dating and judged for their income. That alone would create a massive incentive system in which men must work harder, longer and smarter, and where women can effectively coast or put in a bare minimum. There's an earnings gap because men work to establish themselves and provide for entire families, while women mainly work for independence.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 08:46 PM
1

Unfortunately that is the problem with a lot of gynocentric eco chambers. You'll have these insane narrative get thrown around and then women will just feed into it without any real though. I've seen these insane takes like "women still make sixty-six cents on the dollar", "men are just intimidated by strong women", "men don't share their feelings because that's being feminine and they hate women", "men are depressed because they don't have enough male friends", "men suffer because of the patria…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 05:23 PM
2

Well, firstly, maybe spend some time thinking about why this makes you feel disgusted or upset. Your boyfriend has his own sexuality and not every part of his inner or deeper desires has to be shared. Being in a relationship doesn't mean you suddenly have absolute sovereignty over what your partner does with his own body or what he gets to be turned on by. If you find his porn, and he wanted to keep it private, then you should respect that and leave it alone. If you really wanted to get a deeper…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 02:22 PM
2

Yes.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 02:13 PM
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Any kind of forced labor is a decision made about a man's body, because all labor has a cost to the body. Alimony and debtors jail are decisions that have a toll on men's bodies. Even the social expectations placed on men to pay for a woman's way, which in turn necessitate additional labor, also have their own toll on men's bodies.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 03:21 AM
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"Fucking" implies repeated trauma. I think most men would take getting penetrated once over getting kicked in the groin, or even getting anally raped over someone holding them down and repeatedly kicking them in the genitals. Getting kicked in the groin is not equivalent to being anally penetrated though, as not only would the pain be much lower but there would be no threat to the reproductive/sex organs.
/r/MensRights07/10/24 03:12 PM
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It's just manipulation. The reality is that you still have a lot of women out there who want to pick and choose equality whenever it suits them, or want to infantilize themselves instead of taking an active participation in their dating lives. It is weaponized incompetence being labelled as femininity, because a lot of women believe that calling it feminine nature gives their child-like, low-effort and sexist desires legitimacy.
/r/MensRights07/10/24 03:08 PM
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It is sexual assault, people just don't want to recognize that it is sexual assault because it is so normalized. Even if they had the capability to empathize with men, they don't want to think about it that way because then they have to come to terms with the fact that they trivialize sexual assault or laugh about it. Male genitals are external while female genitals are internal. The closest comparison to a man getting kicked in the genitals would be penetrating a woman in a violent manner or tr…
/r/MensRights06/10/24 03:43 PM
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This debate lost so much legitimacy to me when you start it off with one guy saying "mra's just started off as a reaction to feminism", as if feminism was somehow beyond reproach or as if there weren't countless reasons to react to feminism's many mistakes and detrimental effects/reasoning, and then the guy on the other side just blindly accepting that and blaming the patriarchy.
/r/MensRights30/09/24 01:35 PM
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That is partially true but I think it would be more accurate to say that most women want to treat men as if they were their fathers and want men to treat them as if women were their daughters. They romanticize the idea of men handling all their problems, making everything in the relationship happen, taking charge, leading, managing their tantrums/attitudes, being taller, being able to carry them around, taking care of all the bills, defending them at their own expense, dying for them, or even ke…
/r/MensRights26/09/24 06:23 PM
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It's actually insane how much toxic and harmful behavior gets brushed off as just "girls being girls" or how little women actually get held accountable for their sexism, entitlements, unrealistic expectations, unresolved trauma, abusive behaviors or irrational behaviors. When women lash out and hit men, the first thing people ask is "what did he do to deserve it?". When women impose sexist views onto men in dating or relationships, the first response is to shame men for not living up to those ex…
/r/MensRights26/09/24 04:49 PM
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"misandry is justified because I hate men" is just really bad circular reasoning. Imagine someone trying to make the argument of "racism is okay because black people are awful" as a serious argument.
/r/MensRights25/09/24 03:40 PM
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I think there are two major issues here with this statement. The assumption that men are dangerous or that women are safe, and the assumption that there is no perception bias in the way women react to men or the way men react to women. The man that is ecstatic about being in a room full of women is ecstatic because he is starved of female attention or approval, or because he sees all these women as potential opportunities for a successful sexual encounter or relationship. They are not thinking a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 02:41 PM
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No. The idea that men are just lonely because they have no male friends is not actually an argument that is rooted in reality. It's just another way for misandric people who have no interest in actually fixing the problems men face to place the blame back on men. As someone who has often been lonely and who has many close male friends(many of whom are also suffering from loneliness), I can tell you from direct first hand experience that it's bullshit. Women also don't get less lonely because the…
/r/MensRights22/09/24 07:11 PM
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The most hypocritical thing about feminism is that it entirely relies on men's complacency for women, men's unconditional love and support for women and men's absolute tolerance of women's toxicity, hatred, fear and indifference for men in order to not only exist but thrive as well. If it wasn't for the sheer amount of systematic power, privilege and influence that women hold over men in any given society, every single possible women's issue would have just been silenced instantly. If we actuall…
/r/MensRights19/09/24 09:11 PM
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Feminist media still thinks the male loneliness epidemic is caused by men not having enough male friends, so it just goes to show how little concern they have for any kind of truth or honesty, or how detached they actually are from a lot of these issues.
/r/MensRights19/09/24 02:37 PM
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Creep is generally a gendered term, especially in practice. It wouldn't really be used against women.
/r/MensRights19/09/24 02:34 PM
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A lot of women will resort to adhominems against men to feel better about themselves or sooth their own egos. Calling men creeps, effectively weaponizing the idea of female approval/desire and capitalizing pre-existing feelings of fear and hatred against men, is an easy thing that women learn to do to manipulate or hurt men. It's an easy way for them to try and dehumanize men or to dismiss/invalidate what those men might think, say or feel. It has power because female affirmation has power over …
/r/MensRights19/09/24 02:33 PM
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The algorithms on social media aren't perfect. You have to accept the bad with the good, and trimming the branches you don't want grow. I hate that every time I like a reel that is geared towards women, my entire feed is suddenly filled with misandric and androphobic content from hateful women who, seemingly, get a free pass to spread hatred, toxicity and misinformation about men. It's just the way it is though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/24 02:25 PM
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Every generation has perceived societal change as social decay or deterioration, when it is really just a change away from what they know. Kind of like how people see most or all change within themselves as "growth" or "character development", when it is really just as transition into towards something else that may not even be ideal. I don't think things were really that much greater in the past either. I think a lot of the sexism men faced in the past was mostly just ignored, dismissed, forgot…
/r/MensRights19/09/24 02:20 PM
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Men failed to organized the way women have organized against men because that is a chauvinistic, sexist and exclusionary approach. "Women supporting women" is just sexism by another name. It's not a model that men should seek to emulate, and the fact that any "men supporting men" group is immediately labelled as predatory or misogynistic(possibly even labelled a terrorist organization) should certainly cement that fact. Don't let the fact that women are free to practice misandry, androphobia and…
/r/MensRights17/09/24 03:29 PM
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Her post comes off as so fundamentally ignorant and privileged to me. Men do create "safe spaces" for themselves but those spaces are never actually truly safe because a lot of women will attack men for seeking those spaces or just claim those spaces as their own regardless. Men will be labelled misogynistic for seeking men's spaces while also never really questioning why those men had to seek out spaces that were safe for them in the first place, or why spaces that involve women were unsafe, un…
/r/MensRights17/09/24 03:25 PM
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Society is not built for men at all. I think a lot of women get that impression either as a result of apex fallacy or selective bias. They see men at the top and never really question what it took for those men to reach that position. They automatically assume that it was a product of discrimination against women when typically it is a product of men putting huge efforts and taking huge risks to become successful(which happens more often with men because men have to distinguish themselves someho…
/r/MensRights17/09/24 02:45 PM
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Not only did you misread my statement, as I clearly included having children as part of a man's "traditional masculine" purpose(and there are many other unmentioned aspects to it as well), but it should be quite obvious as to why it's more important for men to define themselves as sexually capable/confident than it is for women. For starters, we live in a culture in which men are expected to do all of the pursuing and build all the attraction in order for sex to occur. This means that men genera…
/r/MensRights17/09/24 02:34 PM
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Misandry is systematically normalized. It's the status quo. Most societies are too deep into it to even realize that it's all around them. They see a man being a victim and don't even consider that he might have been victimized because he was a man, how calling him weak is victim blaming or how they see weak men was possibly what lead to him being a victim in the first place. Many women have grown to rely on that misandry or will become defensive about it any time it is challenged because they h…
/r/MensRights13/09/24 03:27 PM
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You realize the term incel, before it was widely adopted as a sexist slur against men, was used by men trying to own their situation or embrace the identity as a form of protest against male virgin shaming as well? Being old and childless, and then trying to fill that void with animals or plants, is a form of failure to perform in a traditionally feminine purpose, just like being an incel is a form of failure to perform in a traditionally masculine purpose. They are very much mirrors of each oth…
/r/MensRights12/09/24 07:16 PM
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This is definitely a shit argument, because you could definitely find a little boy that would share his food and a little girl that wouldn't, assuming they weren't just being coached through this video to create bait content. That being said, I think as boys grow holder though, there is definitely a lot of pressure placed on boys to be less kind and more selfish, and it is almost entirely placed upon them by women. When men put others above themselves, especially women, they are labelled as inse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 07:08 PM
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Childless Cat Lady is effectively just another way to say femcel. Considering how often the left uses the term incel as a slur, or even radicalizes the term against men, I would say it's pretty hypocritical for them to be outraged about this one. Maybe when childless cat ladies are considered a "terrorist group", the way incels are, there could be some actual cause for outrage.
/r/MensRights11/09/24 04:10 PM
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Men don't just face stigma for being non-masculine(they don't even have to be feminine, simply non-masculine, which are two different concepts), they are outright beaten into submission for falling to meet the expectations that are placed upon them by women. Women will be ruthless against non-masculine men, and never even think twice about it. Take the idea of women asking men out first, for example. Something which should have grown to be the norm decades ago is still viewed with extreme prejud…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/24 08:35 PM
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Men aren't just expected to be more capable of violence but they are also expected to be more competent as well. So not only would men be exposed to more violence from an early age but also be exposed to more dangerous weapons, which they then typically see as a new tool at their disposal in which to shape the world around them. I think the causes and conditions leading to suicide can be a bit different between men and women. More suicide attempts from women are about getting attention or manipu…
/r/MensRights09/09/24 03:13 PM
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The idea of "herbivor men" is basically just a product of the way society shames men for failing to secure the romantic interest/investment of women, instead of holding women accountable for their entitlements, and the reason why you have "herbivor men" in the first place is typically a failing in society to address most of the toxic/sexist ideals that women expect of men and hypergamy. Generally speaking, women are not kind to kind men, do not reward greater levels investment from men, do not c…
/r/MensRights09/09/24 02:52 PM
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Women can date whoever they want and women are not really judged to the same extent that heterosexual men are judged for by any regard. The only real judgement will come from other women, because women dating younger men are typically dating down in most regards and that is an unpopular position among women. No one is going to call a 30 year old woman a pedophile or a predator for dating a 21 year old woman, because his "brain hasn't fully develop" or "he's just easier to manipulate". Women make…
/r/MensRights09/09/24 02:33 AM
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women criticizing men for "wanting to fuck everything" are usually dismissing the fact that men are heavily conditioned into this disposition by women being so selective against men, not taking any initiative, virgin shaming/punishing, maintaining hypergamy and punishing male selectivity/investment. The reality is that men who invest themselves into women more than those women are invested into them are often viewed negatively and as less attractive as a result. If a man was to wait until he fin…
/r/MensRights06/09/24 11:06 PM
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Feminism is not rooted in fairness or truth, therefore anything that is true or fair, or that contradicts it, will trigger some level of hostility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/24 04:00 PM
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Sexual power over men is real power, and it's also not just a matter of sex but of attention, approval, validation, affection and support as well. All these things affect men on a deep emotional and physical level. When a man gets flooded with dopamine or serotonin at the mere sight of the woman he loves, or goes into withdrawal when she retreats or rejects him, she has a tremendous amount of power over that man. Women can also inspire and motivate men to levels they wouldn't have thought themse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/24 03:53 PM
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Most women aren't particularly kind or empathetic towards men, nor are they typically geared towards conflict resolution. Generally, the women who are capable of empathy, understanding and conflict resolution with men are rare, and often shamed or attack by other women(they are called "pickmes" by modern culture). On a cultural level, women are not really taught how to treat men and rarely ever held accountable for the ways they mistreat men, with a lot of harmful behaviors towards men often jus…
/r/MensRights06/09/24 03:38 PM
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Then all the burka does is effectively solidify the misandric notion that men are animals and shameful for being attracted to women. Burkas aren't something to be celebrated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 05:51 PM
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There are two main issues to the topic of the male gaze that feminist get wrong, imo. For one, it's how normalized the vilification of male heterosexuality actually is, and how quickly feminist will jump to this idea that it's okay or normal to hate men for being attracted to women or even lusting after them. That is not normal or even rational. It shouldn't just be taken for granted that it's okay to shame men for being attracted to women, especially not when most men live fairly depraved and l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 05:47 PM
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Enforcement of child marriages is not something that is very common in the most of the world and in the cultures where it is normalized, it would be normalized by both men and women and there are certainly boys being pushed into marriages as well. Rules that allow rape within marriages are also common in most of the world but, again, could be used by both men and women. There are certainly plenty of systems in place that allow women to abuse men, and get away with it, or that allow women to expl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/24 05:38 PM
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The irony is that it is really just women who want men to be dominant, and usually for very self-serving or hedonistic reasons. There are so many men out there who would love for women to step up more in their personal/professional lives, to take the lead, to strive harder in the workplace just to provide a better life for their partner, to date men who are more passive/supportive than they are, and to respect those roles in men. It's almost always just women who put a damper in those ideas. The…
/r/MensRights03/09/24 08:50 PM
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Most of the narratives around dating are inherently hostile towards men, and so full of misandric falsehoods and projections. Man approaches first? "He's annoying and doesn't respect women" Man doesn't approach? "He's a weak/unmasculine man and doesn't deserve to be with a woman" Man is not persistent enough? "He never loved her in the first place" Man is too persistent? "He's a creep and a predator." Man is more invested than the woman? "He's a loser and immature." Man is less invested than the…
/r/MensRights03/09/24 08:41 PM
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Men raping women is not systematic. It's just something that happens. The only thing systematic about that is that men are systematically expected to pursue and hypergamy, which leaves men with fewer opportunities, options, experience and balance, and the fact that men are granted less social support, which opens them up to all kinds of deteriorating circumstances and mental health. Women getting away with raping men is systematic but women raping men is also just something that happens.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/24 08:37 PM
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Another big issue about this dynamic, besides the fact that it pushes men to be something they might not want to be or the fact that it results in men taking on most of the rejection and risks that come with it, is how often people are to dismiss the massive impact that this actually have in every other aspect of culture and society. Take a look at the "wage gap" as an issue, for example. This was often just rationalized by feminists as "men earn more than women and that could only be a product …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 03:49 PM
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Many women also have insecure attachment styles, whether it's dismissive avoidants or anxious attachment styles, but their insecurities and attachment styles are always regarded as just "women being women". Men are expected to be the secure ones, because they are men, and to not only accept these insecurities from women but to also work around them or suffer their consequences. You don't really see women reacting to an anxious guy by telling themselves "oh, he's anxious, so a little bit of reass…
/r/MensRights29/08/24 03:33 PM
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I don't think men need mentors or therapy, I think men need more freedom to be who they are and to feel what they feel. The bigger problem is that was still have so many ideas about what a man should be, or what is a valid man, and we also perceive everything men do as inherently bad, stupid or evil even when they are in the right. Meanwhile, everything women feel is instantly validated or presumed to be correct. Even the most toxic, hostile or avoidant behavior in women is viewed as just "women…
/r/MensRights29/08/24 03:27 PM
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This is pretty troubling as extreme misandry becomes more and more normalized, and the metric for what qualifies as "extreme misogyny" becomes vaguer and more extreme every day.
/r/MensRights28/08/24 03:43 PM
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Misandry and androphobia is socially accepted, even at a systematic level Violence against men is normalized or not seen as an issue, military/police violence against men is only seen as a racial issue even when it is a less relevant factor Men are often assumed to be in the wrong, in any conflict with women Men are often depicted as dumb or cruel, and women depicted as empathetic or smart, even when that doesn't actually reflect reality All expectations, burdens and pressures of dating placed o…
/r/MensRights27/08/24 03:37 PM
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Male chauvinism as an answer to female chauvinism isn't really constructive. cancelling feminist ideology just to return to traditional thinking isn't progress either, we should seek to replace it with something better and truer. Men should be free to be who they want to be, not just what women tell them they have to be to be valuable.
/r/MensRights22/08/24 03:03 PM
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Equality and fairness are rights, and equality and fairness in dating are most definitely men's rights. Trivializing the significance of dating equality, when it affects every aspect of a man's life, is just going to harm men. How men are mistreated in culture absolutely can be fixed with not just legislation but a culture shift as well, which includes being supported by legislation.
/r/MensRights21/08/24 07:07 PM
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What does dating "being a right" have to do with anything? Dating is a product of culture and culture can be subject to all kinds of sexism and discrimination. Protecting men from sexism and discrimination is still a men's rights cause whether it becomes a right or not. Saying that aspects of culture can't be changed with laws or government intervention is also just false. This would be like saying "women not being taken seriously in the workplace can't be helped legally". There are many things …
/r/MensRights20/08/24 06:24 PM
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Tradcons aren't really doing too much for men's rights but they also aren't actively leading a war on men and masculinity either, so simply on that ground alone it is still the only choice for anyone who cares about men or men's rights. The left has gone way too far into extremism, and runs on a platform of misandry and androphobia, which is still considerably better than a lot of sexist expectations that tradcons might have about what being a man. Most of the people in this sub who believe in g…
/r/MensRights20/08/24 06:18 PM
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That has never been attempted en masse before. It may be a long journey but not an impossible one. You're literally talking about a fantasy world, that does not exist and is completely unrealistic. We can't even get basic gender equality for men yet, and you think we can change society to the point where there breach of consents never happen? That's insane. Even if you could create the perfect upbringing for every person, on the entire planet by the way unless you're willing to just stop all for…
/r/MensRights20/08/24 03:56 AM
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You trying to reduce every gender inequality in dating, or their negative impacts on men, to just "how do I get nudes" kind of tells you everything you need to know. You are clearly not taking this topic seriously or looking at it objectively.
/r/MensRights20/08/24 03:30 AM
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okay, so you want to somehow prevent all dysfunctional upbringings? How exactly do you do that? How can you somehow prevent a million different variables that could possibly play into that, and there's certainly plenty of cases that involved people who had perfectly normal upbringing too. Every day, millions of people experience millions of different things that change and effect them both positively and negatively, and that could set them on a path of destruction. aim for a society which is who…
/r/MensRights17/08/24 09:40 PM
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Dating woes which are products of gender inequality and misandry are men's rights issues, and the negative impact that those issues have on men are far too great to just dismiss outright.
/r/MensRights17/08/24 09:30 PM
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I think this is a very naïve and dismissive take on the matter, if not one that simply seeks to derail conversations about the matter or just approach it from an extremely privileged position. Dating is not a secondary issue. Acceptance from the opposite gender, sex/intimacy and marriage all have a significant impact on men at every single stage of their life, in every single possible aspect of their lives. Everything men do, from the time they hit puberty(possibly even before then) is driven by…
/r/MensRights17/08/24 09:22 PM
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Complete safety can never truly be achieved. There will always be men and women who are dangerous, or who can either break down into a violent outburst. I think technology has come a long way, and that has increased the number of crimes being detected and prosecuted, but you can never make anyone 100% "safe". It's not a realistic goal, and trying to commit all kinds of crimes against humanity, often worse than the act it's trying to prevent, in trying to get closer to that 100% isn't actually se…
/r/MensRights16/08/24 03:28 PM
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It's just untrue though. Men are dying from women not liking men, or men being mistreated by women systematically. Firstly, women do kill men directly. That is definitely something that does happen. Women might not be showing up to schools with automatic rifles, and that likely more has more to do with the way men are treated or disenfranchised, and the fact fact that men are expected to be competent with violence, but there's plenty of women fatally hitting, poisoning, shooting or stabbing men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/24 03:03 PM
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How are men silent? They will literally risk their own lives to protect women from other men. There are laws and social standards that are all kept and enforced by men. Men have stronger oppositions and vitriolic responses to rape against women than they do to rape against men. It is such an insane misandric delusion to act as if men, even most men, are somehow pro-rape, or as if men opposing misandry and "guilty until proven innocent if you're a man" is somehow being pro-rape. There is nothing …
/r/MensRights15/08/24 03:28 PM
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There's a pretty big difference between liking boobs, as in you think bigger is better but wouldn't define your entire dating model around that and would still date women with smaller boobs, and making height a systematic mandate the way women are about men's height. Big difference between men saying they like big boobs and men saying "women who don't have triple D's aren't even real women" or women using bots to determine which women are padding. This is not just a matter of personal preference…
/r/MensRights15/08/24 03:22 PM
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Firstly, men calling out bigotry and sexism by women isn't really the same thing as trying to convince women to trust men, rather trying to convince them that being a sexist asshole, or dehumanizing men, is wrong. Secondly, what are men supposed to do to convince other men to do anything, that they aren't already doing? There are laws and ethical standards that exist and are there to support women, and it's not like men really have all that much power or influence over other men the way women do…
/r/MensRights15/08/24 05:44 AM
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They are just looking for any excuse to justify their apathy for men. None of these two commenters actually have any kind of valid argument. You can still make dark jokes about something and understand how it's a problem and all you're doing when you're trying to use the existence of dark humor to explain why you or others shouldn't care about something is telling on yourself. If they had cared in the first place, the existence of dark humor would not have changed their opinion one way or anothe…
/r/MensRights14/08/24 10:19 PM
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Men love women more than women love men. Men will give far more selflessly and do more for women out of love. Men are conditioned to sacrifice for women and put women's needs above their own. Men are not only more empathetic towards women than women are towards men but generally try to look at ethics from a more objective/impartial perspective rather than a conditional/partial one. Men are conditioned into being protectors and supporters of women. Men are conditioned to maintain certain standard…
/r/MensRights13/08/24 08:31 PM
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It's also legal to openly discriminate against men, whether that be in housing, gyms, trains, employment, businesses and everything in between.
/r/MensRights13/08/24 04:45 PM
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I mean, you're basically just reinforcing my point. Most of what you have stated against him is either wrong or inconsequential, and most definitely echoes the general hatred being thrown at him or his online persona by the mainstream for being critical of women. Saying that it's a crock of shit doesn't really make it so either. There are certainly many other aspects of society and culture that demonstrate that we live in a gynocentric society but if you can't see the writing between the lines i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 09:52 PM
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This argument is effectively just pushing it back on culture and you could use the same reasoning to say that a twelve year old girl being raped is equally not a big deal because she only learned to understand as a big deal from culture norms, which would also be a pretty despicable position to maintain or universally reviled. Boys being conditioned to be desperate for sexual affirmation and gratification by those same culture norms, and therefore willing to accept rape or even feeling as though…
/r/MensRights12/08/24 09:43 PM
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Also worth noting that Sneako is someone that is generally viewed negatively by women, or by men who believe they are acting in the interests of other women, and therefore seen less deserving of empathy. Sketch was someone who has been generally well liked by women, if not specifically because he often acts in a very safe or emasculated manner, and therefore seen as being more deserving of empathy because of it. In other words, it is generally safe for men to publicly support Sketch, because he …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 02:42 PM
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A lot of the "slave" work today is still mainly done by men, in every country/religion. Most of the hard and dangerous labor is predominantly performed by men, often for very low wages, and men often do it willingly because that is what they are told they have to do to be good men or to support women. It's not that hard to see how these misandric attitudes and expectations might have extended into racism, or how it could have played out differently for ethnicities that are present fewer hyper-ma…
/r/MensRights09/08/24 04:42 PM
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Is male heterosexuality really normalized if the hatred and contempt for male heterosexuality is also normalized? How does male heterosexuality being normalized in popular culture somehow contradict my initial argument that women often present false narratives about male heterosexuality to rationalize their contempt for male heterosexuality or their rejection of men? If you have a thousand men say they love a thousand women, and the general attitude among that thousand women is just that this lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:09 PM
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I'm not saying that all racism is misandry but there are certain aspects of racism that is effectively just misandry taken to an extreme. If a "black" person is subconsciously perceived as being more masculine, and then treated worse because of it, then there is clearly a common root. Some of the traits that are often associate with masculinity are strength, servitude and disposability, and the way these traits are regarded have lead to a great deal of injustices against both men and "black" peo…
/r/MensRights07/08/24 08:57 PM
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Your response was completely besides the original point. The snarky attitude and demonstrating that you are indifferent to the many ways in which men's interests in women can be culturally vilified and attacked only exposed your negative bias, not mine. It didn't actually do anything to contradict my point that women often attack male heterosexuality, or that anti-male heterophobia being so normalized among women. Quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:45 PM
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How can you argue that you are not trying to present male heterosexual attraction negatively, or as inherently objectifying, and then in the next sentence argue that heterosexual men producing content is wrong and that women hating on heterosexual men for creating that content is somehow not a negative for men? These things don't add up. Even disregarding these ridiculous numbers(90-95% of stats are all made up), there is clearly a negative predisposition or attitude being exposed by that second…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:06 PM
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Objectification, predation, and dehumanization are not gender specific behaviors but the way the way these things are understood and recognized very much is. A man sexualizing a woman is viewed as objectification, even though it isn't. A woman desexualizing a man isn't viewed as objectification, even though it is. Men being told that they are objectifying women for thinking too much of them is a very gendered attitude, because women are not being told that they are objectifying men for thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:00 PM
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My entire life, I have seen women misrepresent and malign male attraction or try to womansplain to men their own feelings. I've heard from countless other men express the same way, and seen this pattern repeat across every other form of popular media from women who believed they knew better. The way men talk about women is generally viewed under a more negative light by women. Objectification is assumed of men attraction to women, even when it isn't there, while objectification is ignored of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 07:57 PM
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This is mostly just an heterophobic and misandric take. Presenting male heterosexuality, or any kind of interest in women by men, as inherently predatory or objectifying is wrong, because it is false and incredibly dehumanizing to men. It's a fallacy that women tell themselves in order to facilitate treating men poorly, or treating men's affection for women with contempt. Men desiring women does not prevent them from seeing women as fully complex realized people, but the false implication that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:00 PM
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It is very deceptive. Not just because men are already treating women as human beings, because society is already treating women far better than men in most regards or because it is mainly women who incentivize men to be indifferent to women by rewarding male indifference towards women and punishing male tenderness towards women, but because it also implies that women are treating men as human beings as a baseline when this could not be further from the truth. It is women who need to start treat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:56 PM
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I do think masculinity tends to be strongly personified in "black" people, or rather that masculine traits are most often represented or perceived in "black" people. This could also mean that a lot of the racism that "black" men and, to an extent, "black" women experience or perceive is also effectively products or symptoms of systematic misandry. Maybe not as much for racism in the past, although I could certainly see a partial case for it there too, but certainly in the type of racism you see …
/r/MensRights07/08/24 01:49 PM
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It's pretty sad how conflicted these women get at the thought of having to show men the slightest bit of sympathy, empathy or support. You would think these women would cherish the opportunity to support the men who are suffering and sacrificing for them, if not just to show how patriotic they can be for their own country.
/r/MensRights04/08/24 10:33 PM
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It's weird to me that you would even ask this question, as if the answer wasn't obvious and self-evident. Men are judged for their height systematically and, most noticeably, romantically. This means that the shorter a man becomes the less he is accepted, the less options he has with women, and the less seriously he is taken. This has a massive negative effect on men's moral, motivation, happiness and support. Women rule the world, and the men who get left behind have it extremely hard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 09:42 PM
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They are almost there. Almost. Given everything I know about feminism though, I know that all they are really trying to say here is "lets stop shitting on poor men, so that we can get back to shitting on rich men".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 03:42 AM
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You have on multiple occasions attempted to downplay why and how often women fabricate arbitrary reasons to reject men. The reason you came up with doesn't actually work, nor help your argument. You're the one gaslighting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:37 AM
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Who are you going to report it to? HR departments, assuming your company even has one, which are usually mostly women? Most of that harassment will not be taken seriously, and might just get you marked negatively.
/r/MensRights01/08/24 03:31 AM
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What entire position? That is my position. How do I flip flop positions in one comment? You cannot simultaneously argue that women do not or cannot fabricate arbitrary reasons to reject men and also be of the position that women don't care about perception and would just reject any man for any reason openly. Are you a man? If you are of course you don't notice because it doesn't happen to you. It's a very common phenomenon that women go through this. You can google varies experiences women had. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 09:13 PM
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The term, used as a slur, completely exposes feminism's hypocrisy and hatred of men, and in more than one way. In order for men to be incels, or the term itself be attached to masculinity, there would inherently need to be some kind of gender inequality relating to sex/dating. This is an inequality that most men are familiar with and understand, but that most women/feminists still deny entirely. This also not only shows that feminist is in denial about gender equality, or the massive cascading e…
/r/MensRights31/07/24 03:17 PM
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I'm sure that was just the tip of the iceberg but, even in those few examples you picked out, you can definitely see a lot of the underlying misandry motivating those arguments. These women are really telling on themselves, not just in their dispositions towards men but in all the toxic ways they think about men or dating.
/r/MensRights31/07/24 02:35 PM
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The point is to come to a overly positive conclusion about someone just because they are initially attractive. No, the point is that you assume that men come to overly positive conclusions just because they are initially attracted. It's a way for women to delegitimize men's attraction for them. The only thing women need to have to reject men is to not be attracted to them. And yet, women still continue to create all kinds of reasons in order to justify to themselves, or others, that they are mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:33 PM
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A guy reading into certain details or observations isn't the same thing as infatuation, and that's assuming he's not just trying to flatter his way into her pants. I think a lot of women like to reduce a man's attraction to infatuation or projection because it makes it easier for them to reject them, if not specifically because women learn to discriminate over anything due to the men being socially conditioned to approach them. Women are also often encouraged to dismiss or belittle a male perspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:31 PM
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Not only is it a way to try and push the fault on men, rather than the way women judge men, but it is also completely dismissive of the many toxic ways in which men are judged that men have no control over but also never really addressing the problem of the zero-sum game. For each man that moves up the totem pole, another must go down, and women will just readjust to whoever is near the top at any given moment. It never actually address the issue of hypergamy or that the gendered expectations pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:18 PM
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So disgusting. Really goes to show how normalize sexual assault against men actually are. No one would be laughing about a man raping a woman with a barbed dildo, and then coming back into the hospital to do it again.
/r/MensRights30/07/24 07:16 PM
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Yes. It is harmful and it should be banned. It's removing a piece of skin that serves to protect the glans, prevent glans callousing, to enable fluid motion and that is packed with nerve endings for sensation, only to create additional risks to an infant's health, permanently scar the penis, and create unnecessary emotional trauma that that infant. It is heavily rooted in bad science, major misconceptions, tribalism, and religious desexualization. It is an attack on men, if not even an attack on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:11 PM
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No one is talking conversion-camps, and it's an incredibly ridiculous leap you just took. Just goes to show how extremely minded you are on this topic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 08:51 PM
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Not sure that's true either but, even if we assumed it was, it's also a false equivalence. Most women can be attractive by just putting in a minimal effort into their fitness. Fitness is not a zero-sum game, income is by its very function. An income also isn't a fundamental part of who someone is, the way a person's physical appearance is. The body is the person and the person is the body. You cannot separate someone from their body the way you can separate someone from their wealth.
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:21 PM
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Catering to a delusion that isn't actually backed by any kind of objective science or reasoning is not "transphobic". That is your extreme mindset. "Conversion therapy" is one possible route that could be taken, not necessarily the one I am arguing for, but the fact remains that there's a lot of potential good and important research not being done because it offends extremists like you. Calling someone who is unwilling to accept basic biology and trying very hard to find gatchas, that don't even…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 04:14 PM
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This is not a question of "some". You could make any argument about "some people". This is an argument about "most". The people on the bell curves, not the extremes. "Some" women out there caring about love more than money existing doesn't help anyone when there are too few of them to have any real influence on women or fill the needs of most men. I don't believe most men want women as arm candy but even in that situation, women have all the power to choose men who care about love and consistent…
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:10 PM
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The same culture leading search engine is leading AI. Tech companies are riddled with one-sided approaches to sexism and feminist propaganda, because they don't want to be cancelled themselves. Perfect example of how, even when all the workers and interest holders are men, they are still working in the interests of women. Billion companies rule the world, and women have those companies under their heels. People still want to pretend like women are oppressed though.
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:05 PM
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Just because you are in a position to take sex for granted, does not mean that it means nothing. People who have too much access to food or water lose perspective on their value too. People have plenty of other stress reliefs, and it's a completely unrelated matter. It's a weird deflection.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:38 PM
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A lot of people die from depression and loneliness, either from suicide, self-destructive behavior or other ailments/detriments that come with it. So, yes, a lot of people die from a lack of sex or acceptance. It's not a coincidence that male suicide rates are so much higher than women's. Biologically speaking, a lack of heir is also death.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:34 PM
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It's an addiction that is fundamentally ingrained into people. it's a fundamental basis for life. It's a prime directive. It is a need, not just for humans but most forms of life on earth, that cannot fully be removed. Without it, you just wilt and die.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:29 PM
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Men act this way because they are desperate and devalued. A lot of men are in incredibly dire positions for a very long time, which also takes a massive toll on their mental health and self-esteem. It's like trying to judge a homeless man, in a system that was completely against them from the start, for being too desperate for a way out. Those men aren't the ones in a position of power here.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:23 PM
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Most women would rather be with a rich/powerful man that tolerates them than a poor men who loves them unconditionally. You couldn't really say the same of the opposite.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:19 PM
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There are always exceptions to the rules but at the end of the day every person falls along somewhere on a bell curve, and there are still rules that apply to the vast majority of women. There are certainly women who are capable of addressing or compensating for their own biases, pre-dispositions or hormone cycles, but most aren't. For example, it is almost universally true that women tend to lose interest in, and devalue, men who show more interest in them than interest in themselves, or that s…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 07:14 PM
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Brain scans have nothing to do with identity. A woman thinking in a way that is typical among men doesn't have anything to with her recognizing or accepting what she is. This is twisting data to suit a narrative. These results have also mostly been debunked as spotty and biased. People becoming happier when their condition is enabled or legitimized isn't a demonstration that it isn't a mental condition. Dementia patients are also "happier" when you just agree with them and don't confuse them. It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/24 07:03 PM
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A lot of transmen internalize the feminist beliefs that women are treated as inferior, and a lot of transwomen internalize the reality that being a man is actually a very raw deal in every conceivable way. It doesn't need to be a conscious desire in order for this to be true, it can simply be enough for these feelings to be strong enough or internalized subconsciously. It's also entirely possible that a form of cognitive dissonance develops as well, which manifests in this perceived belief that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/24 02:28 PM
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None of my experiences or data suggests that it's "about equal". Trans women still outnumber trans men by a significant number(I would say that is especially true in places where gender dysphoria isn't immediately pushed like it is in Canada too), and I strongly believe that a lot of that stems from internalized misandry, isolation, gender role pressures, lack of unconditional acceptance, and male guilt being pushed on young boys. It is, in many ways, effectively boys seeking the VIP treatment. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/24 02:15 PM
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It's not just our sex drives though, it's our hearts and our minds too. Men yearn to love and be loved too, it's just not really something that is granted to most of us. Even when we care too much, we are penalized and told we're unworthy because of it. All we are allowed to do, it seems, is to dedicate ourselves to be work mules and indifferent charmers. Slaves and machines, in order to please women and be who they want us to be.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 02:09 PM
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So you don't have any examples, then. Got it. Why would I need to provide specific examples for this to be true? How many manifestos and "kill all men" slogans does it take for you to consider that feminists might not be friendly to men and that gendered killings happen to men too? How many men were killed, in the history of murder, that were never considered to be murders motivated by gender simply because they happened to men? Even if I did provide you with some examples, how do I know you won…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 10:24 PM
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It doesn't have to be a mass shooting in order to be murder, nor does it have to make the news. There are certainly plenty of men who are killed in their homes, directly or indirectly. You asserting that it's about gender norms doesn't really make it so. If you don't understand how that might be advice given to men for their own benefit, or as a response to the gender norms imposed on men by women, then that is your own failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:37 PM
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Even if that was the case and you ignored the fact that there's been been plenty of murders, and call to murders of men, from feminists and blue pillers, none of it would even come anywhere near the amount of men who die to blue pill ideas, both internalized or systematic. And guys insulting other guys for dating women with questionable pasts is still more about encouraging men to stand up for themselves than just about shaming them because they are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 07:54 PM
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talking about how essentially my transition was into or BECAUSE OF misogyny, rather than the truth in that I'm still not a misogynist More men develop gender identity disorders, and develop the desire to identify as women, than the other way around and I bet you anything those same feminists would never try to make the same argument then or suggest that it might be due to systematic misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 07:52 PM
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Men telling men to hold themselves up to higher standards, or to stand up for themselves, isn't really the same as women telling men what they should be or how they should act, against their own interests and under direct the threat of delegitimization. It does not have nearly the same power/impact, nor does it have the same motives. It's also completely dismissing the fact that a lot of what men in RP tell other men to do are effectively just "be what women want you to be because that is how yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:46 PM
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Some levels of posturing and encouraging other men to stand up for themselves is not anywhere near the level of misandry you will find in feminist movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:41 PM
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Seems like you are really going out of your way to pick and choose the sides of the arguments you want, and then not even representing those accurately. Take your first example. RP's cite men's health issues because they are a real issue and they blame women for not taking seriously not just because they don't, which means that those issues get ignored, but also because women the way women systematically treat men is also a major detriment to men's mental health(if not the biggest factor altoget…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:19 PM
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Nothing I've just said is a matter of opinion. They are all objectively true statements. "White" people being afraid of "black" people because they are "black" happens. "Black" people being afraid of "white" people because they are "white" happens. People using statistics to justify their fears, like the crime statistics, also happens. These are facts.
/r/MensRights24/07/24 07:53 PM
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Ur reaction to violence shouldn’t be pushed unto other ppl. That is exactly what you are doing when you try to argue that women's irrational fears or hatred of men is justified. How are you this oblivious?
/r/MensRights24/07/24 05:11 PM
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"Historically oppressed" is kind of a misnomer and not really relevant when discussing fears or biases in the present but, even if it wasn't, white people having irrational fears of black people is most certainly something that did and still does happen(and vice versa). A lot of those crime stats can also be used to show that black people commit considerably more crime, or commit more violent crimes, per capita as well. I could also use your own reasoning to state that women have historically op…
/r/MensRights24/07/24 05:09 PM
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It's crazy the amount of manipulative, destructive, hurtful, violent and sexist bullshit that women throw at men on a daily basis that just gets passed off as "girls will be girls". Boys have already been taught how to treat girls for a very long time, it's girls who need to be taught how to treat boys. Also, if women want to teach men how to treat women properly, it's very simple. Reward good behavior, punish bad behavior and stay consistent. Women already have the power of the carrot and the s…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 08:30 PM
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I've only ever seen a couple scenes and from what I remember they were incredibly sexist and unintentionally just made women look really bad. It's hasn't really been relevant in over a decade at least though, so it's not actually something I think about.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 08:27 PM
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Why wouldn't men be angry at the way women depict them? Why wouldn't women be responsible for their own prejudices or projections? Men are not responsible for the way any given woman chooses to see men, just like women wouldn't really be responsible for the way any given man chooses to see women. Women associating all men to serial killers is not normal, and men have every right to be upset by women who try to normalize it.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 08:24 PM
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That's an insane mindset. Of course you can. There are different types of women out there. Some women will fake an entire relationship with a man just to access to his resources and some women will just outright discredit or delegitimize a man for not meeting what she considers to be a man. A lot of women will also be capable of both, with the only differentiating factor being financial resources. Plenty of women can also fake interest in a man while also simultaneously rejecting him within the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 05:49 PM
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Menlib is not a good place to discuss men's issues. It's entire premise is to derail men's rights issues, by framing them under a feminist extremist mindset. It's not friendly to men, nor a place to have any kind of healthy discussions about men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/24 05:43 PM
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Sorry, I am not actually seeing any kind of point here other than trying to throw intellectually dishonest backhanded jabs at men or to try to absolve women from their own accountability or agency in dating. Why couldn't men be worried about either situation? They are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:32 PM
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How women FEEL around men is up to women and I would not say that those fears are "legitimate" at all. It is androphobia and, just as people would understand why it's not okay to say "white people should have legitimate fears around black people", it is not okay to tell women that they are justified in their irrational fears of men. If it was just a matter of physical strength, then women would be afraid of women who are bigger/stronger than them. Threat is a matter of intent and anyone can have…
/r/MensRights23/07/24 02:23 PM
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Translation: Younger men are learning to stand up to radical misandrists, feminist propaganda and the normalization of androphobia.
/r/MensRights23/07/24 02:19 PM
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You can be something, or value something in yourself, and still be attracted to something else entirely. Like you could be an introvert who is attracted to extroverts. That's not really "hypocrisy". Different people can also be judged on different things. You wouldn't judge a fish for it's ability to climb trees. There are certainly gender dynamics at play here that affect that belief, which is perpetuated by both sides. men and women often are, culturally speaking, judged on different things. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:01 AM
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Men generally do need an excuse to reject women, or they are considered assholes. Men are also often heavily judged in the way they judge women, like being labelled fatphobic when they aren't attracted to overweight women. It's also a bit of a fallacy to have that same expectation of men, when the dating expectations are very different between men and women. Most of the world still operates under the structure of "men initiates/pursues, woman picks". Generally speaking, there is a considerably g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:52 AM
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You are 100% correct. The fake nice guy trope is generally a fabrication that a lot of women resort to, because it makes it easier for them to justify rejecting, or being cruel to, certain men. It is a form of character attack that is only really mean to facilitate a certain treatment of men who are nice, who didn't really do anything wrong. A lot of women will also effectively structure their dating strategies as such: advertise yourself, wait for men to approach, pick the one that is most exci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:48 AM
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An attraction to someone is hardly an ulterior motive and women should generally understand that men have feelings too, which include romantic/sexual feelings, or that wanting to be friends with someone doesn't mean you just see those people asexually(which is actually incredibly dehumanizing). "Craving for the validation of adhering to social norms" is also incredibly presumptuous and just adding to OP's point about women just looking for any reason to hate on the nice guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 02:32 AM
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Women literally just made Wade Wilson famous. You can see women romanticize toxic traits in men in virtually every form of media that women consume and reflected in culture in countless other forums or social media. You can just go by personal experience and see what women respond to, or listen to anyone who has any kind of personal experience with this phenomenon or has seen it first hand. It doesn't just come out of nowhere and it would be very dishonest to act like it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:49 PM
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Are men committing more greedy or criminal because they are greedy or criminals, or do they do these things because of many other socio-economic factors. Men are not socially desired, and therefore need to distinguish themselves and secure money, by any means, in order to even be treated as worthy of affection from women. Men are not socially protected, and therefore given far less support, by both government and peers, and live in worse living conditions because of it. Men are not socially valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:46 PM
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This should have been evident to anyone paying attention. Same with police beatings and shootings.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 08:39 PM
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If anything, posts like this just demonstrate how much privilege women have when it comes to dating, when they can openly demonstrate these kinds of sexist, manipulative and idiot attitudes and still be taken seriously or find dates.
/r/MensRights22/07/24 03:33 PM
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I don't think that's true. It can certainly be a factor but I know too many women who have extreme biases against women that have fathers, and who also treat their fathers poorly, for me to agree with this. I see many women try to emotionally manipulate their fathers and think nothing of it. I see plenty of women take advantage of their fathers, financially or otherwise, and think nothing of it. I see plenty of women disrespect and belittle their fathers, because they are men, and think nothing …
/r/MensRights20/07/24 04:14 PM
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People who tell men that they are entitled to sex because those men have a fundamental human need to connect with other human beings, romantically and sexually, is incredibly harmful and disgusting. It's a gross dismissal and reduction of their needs, often coming from women who are privileged systematically in this regard and have never really had to deal with that struggle. It's like rich people who never had to worry about where their next meal is coming from telling homeless people that food…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:32 PM
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Yes, feminism will most definitely teach women/girls to hate male family members, both directly and indirectly. Feminism creates a lot of propaganda and revisionist history to present men as evil or oppressors, which in turn creates resentment from women towards all men(especially towards men that women wouldn't be physically attracted to, like friends, colleagues and family members). This is more true today with younger girls getting all kinds of misandric/feminist content from social media and…
/r/MensRights19/07/24 06:27 PM
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Men are already doing plenty to keep women safe, if not simply because it's mainly men who maintain the infrastructure, taxes and law enforcement that keeps most women safe. Crimes still happen though, and it's incredibly delusional to expect strangers to put themselves in danger for your sake, simply on the basis that they are a man or you are a woman, especially if you are a woman and therefore less likely to be shot, killed or maimed by a violent person than a man. Most women would also not p…
/r/MensRights18/07/24 02:57 AM
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society/women invalidating men's feelings and rights on this issue is definitely misandry. People not thinking it's an issue worth taking seriously because it affects men is misandry. People being unwilling to call out women because they are women but being willing to attack and shame men for the same situations is misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:50 AM
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The irony is that a lot of the stuff that gets labelled as "toxic masculinity" are basically just men doing things that women do all the time but get a pass for because of these "girls will be girl" attitudes. For example, a man being emotionally manipulative will be recognized as predatory and viewed as a part of "toxic masculinity", while a woman doing the same thing will just be dismissed as "girls being girls". Certainly doesn't help that men even being nice or expressing emotions will often…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 09:24 PM
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It's clear that this is idea that men should be content to raise children that aren't theirs is rooted in misandry. No one would ever really dare to tell women that they should be not only be liable to raise children that aren't theirs but also be expected to do it happily and willingly. If you had a man cheat on his wife, with his mistress becoming pregnant from it, no one would be telling his wife that she should just shut up, accept and raise that child as if it was hers without question. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:41 PM
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A lot of it is, as you say, coming from women and feminist being unwilling to relinquish their victimhood fantasies, which a lot of them were raised on and indoctrinated into by decades of hateful women being platformed and legitimized, but a lot of it is simply that male disposability and misandry has been so normalized into culture that most people, women especially, simply do not see or recognize it. A lot of it also has to do with how women are not only purposefully deaf/blind to the way men…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 08:32 PM
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Women see any expressions of male solidarity as offensive, and will also see participating in any trend as inherently unmasculine. Men following men, even arbitrarily or for fun, are viewed as being more child like, and therefore less attractive. It's kind of ironic because this exact behavior is often excused in women as "girls will be girls" and even when women demonstrate a blind solidarity to even the most hateful trends, they are given a pass for it by both men and women. While a lot of men…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 08:08 PM
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Except not only are there plenty of women out there who mean "fuck men" when they say "fuck the patriarchy", which makes this point moot, but the very implication that we actually live a hierarchical system in which men control everything, because they are men no less, is not just wrong but inherently antagonistic of men. Also, if it was just a system in which people are in power because they hold money, that is just an oligarchy.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 07:57 PM
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People have a really hard time recognizing women as predators and culprits, and will defend female behavior no matter the circumstance. Even forms of aggression like social manipulation(gossip, slander, deception, conning, etc) or sexual manipulation(pressuring men to have sex, using sex to get what they want, sexual deception, etc) are treated very differently between men and women. Men would be labelled as predators for the slightest hint of possible power imbalance or wrongdoing, while most w…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 07:12 PM
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There's no perfect role model. Everyone is human, everyone has flaws, and most celebrities sooner or later are tainted by the fruits of their success. You have to separate the views from the people, and take guidance in arguments and logic. Idolization is the mirror of adhominems.
/r/MensRights16/07/24 06:50 PM
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That is not even remotely what I said or argued, and I was mainly referring to his later advocacy content, not any potential scams he ran under his camgirl business(which was latter edited in this post, and is certainly disgusting if true). Arguing that someone is being manipulated because they relate to content that you don't like is incredibly narcissistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 06:46 PM
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don't try to make this out like you care about the men. There are certainly a lot of sad and lonely men out there but to argue that he was exploiting them, stealing their money or ruining their lives is a pretty far reach, and in of itself an attempt to discredit a lot of the issues men face. I don't agree with many of his takes but there's no doubt in my mind that a lot of men gained something positive from his entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:23 PM
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People definitely had a lot of issues with what he said and how he said it, and called him a misogynist from the start. A lot of sexist and misandric women also fabricated entire narratives around this guy to justify their hatred for him long before the webcam stuff came out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:17 PM
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What is done is done. There is little you can do about it now and you will have grown used to it already. There is no reason to feel bad about it at this point. If you had experienced an accident as a child and lost a toe, and then grown without ever missing it, why would you care one way or another? Ending male genital mutilation isn't about making existing victims feel bad about what was done to them as infants but about preventing it from happening to other infants in the first place.
/r/MensRights15/07/24 03:12 PM
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How could it be men's fault when women are the ones in a position of power and privilege? Women have every means to just make things easier for men, any kind of man, and to diversify their interests in men instead of obsessing over very specific or arbitrary traits(often because they believe that is what other women value). What can men do? Be more selective? what does that result in? Them getting less sex, fewer relationships opportunities or just dying alone? And how could most men not act des…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 11:16 PM
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The woman protecting him is either a sister or a mother. Most women would have no such problems for other women's sons or brothers. The men are also doing what is expected of them, in service of women or acting in what they believe is in women's best interests.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 09:56 PM
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How is men, and only men, being forced to fight, kill or die, not a men's rights issue?
/r/MensRights13/07/24 09:54 PM
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Forcing men to fight by force or gun point never "needs to happen", and if you are going to try to justify this practice against men, then you also have to try to justify it against women.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 09:51 PM
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Feminism is a hate movement but because women control so much of the discourse and because misandry has been accepted for so long, people fail to recognize it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:49 PM
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Feminism was as effective as it was because it capitalized on the fact that people already value and care for women, or seek to protect/provide women, in a way that no one has ever really done for men. All feminism did is leverage pre-existing forms of female privilege and power/influence over men, to promote misandry, androphobia, falsehoods and gynocentric narratives. This is not something that men can emulate. Men cannot appeal to empathy or sympathy that does not exist for them, let alone ex…
/r/MensRights13/07/24 09:31 PM
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There's also other forms of sexual violence against men, like the guy that was forced to jerk off and then had his dick blown up. while that was technically done by a villain and not really condoned by the show's writing, the way the audience seems to have reacted is to see it as comedic.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 09:11 PM
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Generally I would say just follow common decency rules, not one-sided decency. Basically the same rules you would follow when going out with friends or coworkers. Everyone should pay their own way, unless one can't afford it and the other is insisting they come anyway, then the person insisting should offer to pay the difference. Also, if women don't offer to pay their way or the topic comes up and they show this entitlement/user attitude, I will just pay for both of us to avoid the argument and…
/r/MensRights12/07/24 06:37 PM
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The "if you loved me you would do X and wouldn't let Y happen" and "if you were a real men you would do X and wouldn't let Y happen" is a very common form of manipulation that women use on men. This is especially true when it comes to things like prenups but also true in a lot of other aspects of dating and relationships too. It's also how a lot of women try to pressure men to commit violence on their behalves. Instead of outright saying "I want you to hurt this person for me or else", which mak…
/r/MensRights11/07/24 02:31 PM
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It's common sense and very clearly observable. It seems like women having influence on men at both a macro and micro level is only a radical concept for societies that have been indoctrinated by feminism. Women systematically treating men poorly, imposing impossible standards onto men or just not having a diverse enough deviation of preferences towards men will all have negative impacts on men and society as a whole, because of the power/influence that women have over men.
/r/MensRights11/07/24 03:42 AM
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None of these experiences actually justify women being rude or cruel to men. Men would most certainly not be allowed to use their own past negative experiences or traumas from women as an excuse to not to be assertive, confident, friendly or polite with women. They would be told to get therapy and be labeled incels. Women shouldn't use their own negative experiences, much less experiences they were perceived negatively because they were already negatively predisposed to them, to justify treating…
/r/MensRights10/07/24 07:55 PM
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A big part of the problem is that women have grown so conceited that many believe they should be pursued at all cost, and therefore take no initiative of their own or demonstrate to men some kind of path forward, but also believe that they should make no effort to understand or relate to men. Most women who see men show interest in them, making efforts to get to know them and support them however they can, will then either just sit back judging or outright vilifying their attempt. If they recogn…
/r/MensRights10/07/24 03:32 PM
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There are plenty of good men who are still looking. Clearly women aren't all that bothered or they would reach out to those men or make a bigger effort to understand and empathize with men, and they are doing neither.
/r/MensRights10/07/24 03:15 PM
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That's because the idea of therapy is, and mostly has been, weaponized and used as a means to manipulate. You see this in arguments all the time: "I don't agree with what you're saying, you need to go seek therapy!". This was especially true coming from women towards men, not just because women tend to resort to this kind of manipulation far more often(and face far fewer consequences for it) but because the therapy industry has historically also been incredibly biased against men and preferentia…
/r/EverydayMisandry09/07/24 06:44 PM
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It's a weird argument to try and counter the point that men have no reproductive rights by complaining about women's situation in certain US states when women still have it considerably better than men even in the states that consider abortion to be murder. Even weirder to try to make this argument about certain states in the US, when my point not only applied to all states in the US but also most countries as well(many of which insure abortion rights at the federal level). It's not a very good …
/r/MensRights09/07/24 06:23 PM
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Because they believe that the only reason why women didn't innovate more was because men prevented them from doing so. It's a complete non-sense argument though. Not just because women had the capability to get involved and innovate back then and just chose not to, but because women are freer today than they have ever been to enter the work force and still mostly choose other passions/interests over innovation. They also don't really want to acknowledge the fact that a big motivation for men to …
/r/MensRights09/07/24 06:19 PM
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I wouldn't say they are concerned about rights, because most of their concerns have little to do with rights, often come at the expense of men or men's rights, and are often rooted in misandry or personal prejudices towards men. Most of the "concerns" being brought up by twoXC are basically whims and entitlements that fall somewhere between "why are we not allowed to hate men more" and "why don't men give us everything".
/r/MensRights05/07/24 03:28 PM
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Firstly, there are many forms of rape that can happen to a woman that have no risk of pregnancy, and are still taken far more seriously than any other form of rape on a man. Secondly, you can most certainly rape a man in such a way so that he ejaculates into his rapist, which could also result in a pregnancy and effectively trap him into a life of being an unwilling father and forced to make child support payments. This would also most definitely have a mental, emotional, physical and financial …
/r/MensRights05/07/24 03:18 PM
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Basic logic and ethical practices must be a shocking concept for you.
/r/MensRights05/07/24 03:38 AM
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I don't see how any one can look at our culture and think we live in a "patriarchy". Women are the main benefactors for every aspect of our culture. Men are scared to say anything that could offend women, because it would have devastating effects against them. Men have no reproductive rights and often wrongfully targeted by both laws and enforcement. Men are in far worse positions economically, socially, academically and are offered very little protection compared to women. Men live shorter live…
/r/MensRights05/07/24 02:59 AM
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Men are expected to take on most of the expenses. Men have to take more risks and take on more loans because that is how they distinguish themselves in a sexual market. Men are pressured to spend more, in order to present themselves as being better partners, because that is what is expected of men. Men lose insane amounts of money to divorces and are far more likely to lose their livelihood through cancellation. Men are expected to pay for most of the dating expenses, and are also often expected…
/r/MensRights05/07/24 02:45 AM
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Women "preferring" mutilated penises is not only hearsay and a weak circumstantial/anecdotal argument, because there are certainly plenty of women who prefer intact men, both esthetically and in terms of sensation/practicality, but it is an objectively poor justification to force genital mutilation on infant boys. If adult men wanted to cut up their dicks to please women who don't really respect or accept men as they are in the first place, that would be their business. Grown women should also n…
/r/MensRights04/07/24 03:23 AM
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Where are the studies saying 64% of the male population undergo trauma from circumcision? I was circumcised and I feel fine, as do every man I know, and all the men they know. I mean you literally brought that number up yourself. I didn't and I'm not even sure where it came from. A quick google search came up with this study though. I'm sure there's plenty more finding like this to be found. Even if there wasn't though, that still wouldn't justify cutting up infants just because they won't remem…
/r/MensRights04/07/24 02:56 AM
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Even the least intrusive form of FGM would be considered barbaric, perverted and immoral. In what way does that not compare to MGM? You are creating a false differentiation, in order to justify MGM, and that is the only objective truth to your argument.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 08:44 PM
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Just because you don't recall the harm or trauma, does not mean it didn't happen or that there weren't negative effects to you physically or psychologically. It also certainly does not mean that it's okay to cause harm or trauma on an infant. Would it be okay for someone to punch you in the face, just because you might forget about it one day? would it be okay to torture a dementia patient, just because they won't remember what happened the next day? And what exactly are the "benefits" to having…
/r/MensRights03/07/24 08:15 PM
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They're going to report you no matter what and the only people who can ban you in this sub are the mods for this sub.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 08:13 PM
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You're the only one who keeps brining this up, even though no one here that I can see has actually confused the two in any way. Every argument made so far applies to both.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 08:12 PM
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maaaann... i dont demand to go into a preschools bathroom and demand my right to take my dick out in front of the kids because of some age-ism or systematic hatred of older people. That's not what this argument is about at all. The only thing that you are demonstrating here is a bad argument, argued in bad faith. The fact that you seemingly believe men could only act as predators or that this argument only applies to men doesn't help that either. Men and women are differnt. Simple? right? Get ov…
/r/MensRights03/07/24 06:36 PM
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There are different levels of female circumcision. Most people here already understand this because it's a topic that has been around for a very long time. You claiming that they don't know any better, despite having said nothing that would indicate as such, doesn't actually mean that they don't.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 06:09 PM
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Every one here already understands that there are men who exist who are convinced that they are better off without a foreskin. Your opinion does not change this argument in the slightest and is already accounted for. It's entirely irrelevant. You could find people who were born blind and who think they are better off for it too, that doesn't mean that it's okay to purposefully blind children. If you had a movement that decided it was in a "kid's best interest" or "for religious reason" to pluck …
/r/MensRights03/07/24 06:07 PM
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If you choose to inflict unnecessary and irreversible physical harm or trauma to your child, you are not doing "what's best".
/r/MensRights03/07/24 06:03 PM
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You think your dick looks better this way because that is what you were raised with, which means it's what you have grown to recognize as normal, grown to identify with and an argument you have internalized. If you hadn't grown up with a mutilated penis, then you would have seen an intact penis as the norm and preferable. Very few men who grow up natural choose to have a piece of their foreskin removed. The few men who do have it removed as adults are usually talked into it or do not understand …
/r/MensRights03/07/24 06:02 PM
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Religion shouldn't be a justification for barbarism and child abuse, especially not in a country that is founded on the separation of church and state. I'm sure a lot of people tried to use religion as an excuse to mutilate infant females too, but people were somehow able to recognize how that was wrong and shouldn't be legal.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 05:52 PM
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People understand what female genital mutilation is. The only person who brought up the removal of the clitoris is you. There are forms of female genital mutilation that are less intrusive than circumcision, and yet they are all still universally recognized as barbaric and wrong.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 05:52 PM
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Many women not only want to blame men for the actions of individual men but also want to blame men for how those men make them feel(even when that predisposition/perception is entirely in their control) and blame men when they purposefully go out of their way to choose bad men over good men, which good men have absolutely no control over(specifically because good men have a strong imperative to not force choices onto women and abide by their decisions). Those women also generally do not want to …
/r/MensRights03/07/24 03:15 PM
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This isn't tiktok, you can say the word rape when trying to discuss the topic of rape.
/r/MensRights03/07/24 03:08 PM
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How is a systematic fear or hatred of men not a men's rights issue? The reason why these women react with so much anger and vitriol to a man sharing that space with them is inherently rooted in misandry and androphobia. Even if we ignore the fact that the general taboo of sharing that space with members of the opposite sex is artificial and something that is trained into people by gendered washrooms to begin with, the mere sight of a human male body should not be cause for this much outrage in w…
/r/MensRights03/07/24 02:56 PM
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"men make me uncomfortable" is the same thing as "I'm uncomfortable around men", they are both expressions or products of a woman's negative predisposition towards men, rather than an objective assessment of a man's behavior. If a man pulled out a gun and threatened a woman with it, you could objectively say "that man threatened that woman". If a man simply existed in the same room as a woman and she subsequently felt "threatened" because he was there, then that is not an objective statement but…
/r/MensRights03/07/24 02:48 PM
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Considering how many men's lives are destroyed by paternity fraud, I don't think that's entirely true. Post natal eugenics is not really a realistic threat, and not something the government could practice without major protest. Governments would also already have access to your DNA records if they wanted to. They could not only take it any time you donate/receive blood, get a vaccine or get tested at a health clinic, but they could also probably take it from just about any other tissue as well. …
/r/MensRights03/07/24 02:33 PM
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Yes. 100%. It would not only prevent most forms of paternity fraud but it would also disincentivize women from being unfaithful in the first place, simply by knowing that their infidelity would come to light if it leads to a birth. It would also be important for children to know who their biological father is just to establish possible genetic diseases and hereditary conditions. Men should have the fundamental right to know that they are fathers, with the documentation to prove it so that there …
/r/MensRights03/07/24 02:23 PM
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What's crazy about this to me is that this is clearly a result of androphobia but because we live in a society that is so comfortable with androphobia, or telling women that their fears or disdain for the male body are normal or natural, it gets completely glossed over in cases like this. It's all just presented as "transphobia", because that is the only form of "prejudice" that these people are even able to recognize, even when it has nothing to do with the gender identity disorder.
/r/MensRights02/07/24 01:43 PM
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Usually just comes down to older men being better established and just having more experience with women, which women romanticize. Ironically, the way women romanticize these traits in men and inherently infantilize themselves is also a demonstration of their own lack of maturity. The way maturity is measured isn't exactly objective though, as perfectly exemplified here. Part of the problem is that the bar for what is considered "mature" is also much lower when it comes to women, or just measure…
/r/MensRights01/07/24 04:39 AM
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Men who kill women when they're rejected are a minuscule minority. They are not even remotely close to being the rule and the existence of men who are violent most certainly is not an excuse for women's failure to communicate constructively, effectively or humanely, or to not be more proactive in their own dating lives. It's a bullshit excuse. Men killing women certainly isn't stopping women from being rude, belligerent or abusive towards men, isn't stopping women from treating men like garbage …
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 09:14 PM
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Usually it's a lot worse. It's typically all of this but with a whole lot more bigotry, projections, personal attacks and gossiping/slandering on top as well.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 08:55 PM
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It's funny because, even in these massive strawmans, the "women acting like men" are still coming off as being way more reasonable than what most women/feminists actually are with men when it comes to any men's issue. At least the guy getting robbed didn't get delegitimized for it, told he's not a "real man" because of it, or told that "men can't get robbed". At least the guy feeling lonely didn't get told he's not "entitled to attention", get called a manipulator/predator for expressing his emo…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 08:53 PM
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It's funny because, even in these massive strawmans, the "women acting like men" are still coming off as being way more reasonable than what most women/feminists actually are with men when it comes to any men's issue. At least the guy getting robbed didn't get delegitimized for it or told he's not a "real man" because of it. At least the guy feeling lonely didn't get told he's not "entitled to attention", get called a manipulator/predator for expressing his emotions or labelled an incel/extremis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/24 08:51 PM
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There's a lot wrong with this, in my opinion. Yes, it is effectively a matter of supply and demand but it's not a problem that men can fix by being more selective. Part of the problem is that most women already only value a small percentage of men and that dynamic doesn't really change with men being more selective. In market terms, it wouldn't really matter how good or exclusive a product becomes, if the consumer just wants to sit back, wait to see who has the best marketing(not reviews) and th…
/r/MensRights27/06/24 08:10 PM
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Men are just not in any kind of position of power to change things in modern dating. Most of the issues effectively could boil down to men not being valued enough, both as people and as partners but you can break it down in a few other ways. Most women will effectively structure their entire dating strategy around marketing themselves to as many men as possible, wait for men to approach them, judge those men against all other men from a disassociated position(classifying them as creeps or studs,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 06:27 PM
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Most mens rights advocacy is already solution oriented, it's just that it's primary women/feminists who oppose those solutions. It's not "whataboutism" or invalidating women's experiences to point out how women claiming themselves to be sole victims of something is wrong. It's not vilification or unwarranted blame to point out toxic things that women do or get away with because they are women. people who are actively attacking Everything about this post screams "arguing in bad faith".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 03:47 AM
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In most situations, yes. At least in my experience that has mostly been the case. I've often seen situations where a man and a woman have an argument, and even though the women know he is right and that she's very wrong or doing something awful, they will still take her side because she's a woman. The only time I've seen an exception to that rule was one a woman decided to burn her bridges with the other women, who were on her side, for completely unrelated reasons and then those women ended up …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:21 AM
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I think most people are mostly numb or oblivious to misandry, or just don't want to even acknowledge that it exists, let alone how bad it is. Most mothers do not even understand what it's like to be a man, and completely fail at preparing boys for success because of it. Plenty of mothers will also be sexist, manipulative and abusive towards their sons too, and no one will actually call them out on it. I think anyone who is truly socially conscious or has some basic sense of empathy should be wor…
/r/MensRights20/06/24 02:24 PM
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The concept of "benevolent sexism" is effectively just a way for feminism to weaponize misandry against men. It's an artifact of an inability to apply an accurate and unbiased lens to the issue of sexism, and presenting everything under the lens of "everything men do is bad and oppressive, nothing women do is bad or oppressive as they can only be victims". It's there to maintain this one-sided scale, in which everything that is negative for men or negative for women is interpreted as a negative …
/r/MensRights19/06/24 07:00 PM
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Not only is the entire academic/professional practice of therapy heavily biased against men, but the entire culture of mental health is heavily biased men as well. Most people aren't even willing to openly recognize how there might be issues in society and culture, or even just the way women treat men, that have negative impacts on men. Most people can't even recognize how the problems men face, as individuals or at a systematic level, aren't actually being solved or recognized, or how much men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/24 03:30 AM
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If you were to take her argument to its logical conclusion, then it would effectively mean that all suffering from rape is inherently subjective, meaning that it can also be entirely arbitrary, fabricated or overstated just as easily. If men can be raised or influenced to experience less suffering from rape, which also should make you question exactly what that influence is and where it comes from, then women can also be raised or influenced to experience more suffering from rape as well, which …
/r/MensRights16/06/24 05:35 AM
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Being an incel has nothing to do "eschewing women". Most incels have female friends and regular lives, and most incels don't just go around hating on women either. There's a very big difference between calling out toxic behaviors from women on the internet, and just hating women or going around starting political arguments with people in person. The caricature you have manufactured isn't actually rooted in reality.
/r/MensRights14/06/24 10:52 PM
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They find it creepy in real life because they actually have to be accountable to another person, or a situation, in real life. Real life requires some kind of response or action from women, while fiction does not. It has nothing to do with love. Plenty of men do desperate, awkward, cringe or completely reasonable things in real life out of love that are interpreted as creepy by women. Plenty of things are being done in books that are very creepy and still interpreted as "love" by female readers,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:22 PM
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Women's romance novels do not present a realistic version of what men are or that men could be, nor does it even present a healthy idea of what men should be. They are actually quite unhealthy and unrealistic, and generally quite objectifying of men(not just in terms of physical objectification but as success/status objects or objects of intimidation). Your question would be like asking why don't women read more "anti-woman hate groups and obscurantist 'pill' communities" to understand what men …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:11 PM
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What do porn addicted men do to her? If they're addicted to porn, then they're probably not interacting with women all that much to begin with. Pretty demented and psychopathic either way but I just don't understand the motivation there.
/r/MensRights14/06/24 02:38 PM
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Rape is a big deal but when women start losing any kind of objectivity or rationality about the subject, like when they try to argue that being raped is somehow worse than being murdered or eaten by a bear, or when they try to present this idea that only women are raped(and only by men), then the entire perspective just becomes something far more manipulative and targeted. Then it no longer has anything to do with the crime, or the severity of the crime, but everything to do with how women will …
/r/MensRights14/06/24 03:40 AM
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"men don't think rape is a big deal" is such a wild take, considering how much men do just to make women feel comfortable, how much men do to protect women, considering the laws put into place to punish rape, how few men are actually even capable of rape(emotionally, psychologically or physically) and how few men actually rape despite most men being in a pretty awful place(romantically, sexually and systematically). It is completely devoid of any reality, which really puts into perspective the e…
/r/MensRights14/06/24 03:35 AM
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These numbers are only valid if you consider the right to vote through mandatory conscription/military service to be "universal right to vote". Many countries didn't get the universal right to vote for men until much later, often after women got the universal right to vote.
/r/MensRights14/06/24 03:30 AM
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It's very clear that the entire bear thing is really just another exercise in bigotry by women, and another example of just how casually accepted misandry and androphobia actually is in western culture. I think a lot of women come into it thinking they are making some kind of point, and maybe just too ignorant, self-centered or privileged to understand that, in reality, they're just being manipulative and antagonistic for the sake of hurting men. It really does reveal a lot of the chaotic, toxic…
/r/MensRights12/06/24 05:23 PM
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They are examples of misandry so, yes, they are examples of things that woman *can* do with the worst of intents. These are things that happen, every day, and often get brushed off or ignored(another example of how misandry kills). It's by no means an assertion that all women do this though, so not really sure where you're going with that reasoning. Also, if you were to go to any feminist or gynocentric subreddit right now, you would find posts presenting any crime against women by men as femici…
/r/MensRights11/06/24 07:06 PM
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Yeah, that's certainly another way in which misandry does kill indirectly. Women do benefit from a massive amount of social power and privilege over men, which not only creates these conditions in which men are left desolate and desperate but also heavily pressured to commit violence on their behalf in order to distinguish themselves to women. It doesn't even have to be stated by women or be as overt as a woman saying "hey, go beat this man up for me", because the expectations placed on men are …
/r/MensRights11/06/24 07:00 PM
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I don't believe it's biological specifically because of how stupid, irrational or social a lot of these "icks" are. There's no "hate men who drink with a straw" gene or "hate men that don't make over some exact amount of money" gene. How could your DNA even know what those things are. Not only do they have to develop, almost pathologically, these beliefs but they would also have to learn how to hate and discriminate against men so easily as well. It's a product of the way women are raised to vie…
/r/MensRights10/06/24 06:01 PM
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The crazy thing about this statement is that it's not only very far detached from reality but it is also blatantly mispresenting the facts to further enable more misandry. People say misogyny kills, because every time a man kills a woman, it is wrongly presented as being motivated by misogyny. That is a narrative that is mainly pushed by misandric women and feminists who are going out of their way to present anything that men do as inherently hateful of women. This is wrong, just like it would b…
/r/MensRights10/06/24 05:55 PM
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Why should anyone care about a romantic partner's education or career, beyond "can they sustain their own lifestyle"? It's more troubling that this is something women obsess over, because it's not actually something you build a relationship on. Your partner's income isn't your income, you are not their pimp or their employer. You are not looking for an employee or a slave, you are looking for someone to be intimate with and share an emotional connection with. Being nice is hardly "surface level"…
/r/MensRights09/06/24 01:22 PM
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Society/Women to men: "If you don't achieve goals, you're a piece of garbage and you don't deserve any acceptance, love or support. You're entitled to nothing and we shouldn't have to tolerate you". Society/Women to men: "If you achieve goals, you're an oppressive asshole and it's your fault if other men feel like pieces of garbage or want to kill themselves when they fail. Oh, and we're entitled to benefit from your success now too".
/r/MensRights09/06/24 12:45 AM
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Wrong again. If you actually talked to people, men or women, from these countries, you would see exactly how much feminist ideology and misandry has infected their reasoning. It has nothing to do with them being "vikings" or "old school egalitarian". This is non-sense.
/r/MensRights07/06/24 06:19 PM
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Issues of gender identity disorders don't actually have anything to do with issues of sexuality or issues of what men experience in our society. These are all very separate subjects. I do not believe that women with gender identity disorders are men, but they can advocate for whatever they want. These beliefs should not define your identity. As for feminism's take on the matter, all I know is that it was easier for most women, and most feminists, to accept the idea that men could identify as wom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 08:00 PM
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This is a huge fallacy that actually makes me question a lot of what you've written here(Assuming you have actually written any of this yourself and not just copy-pasted it from elsewhere, as your replies seem to indicate). A lot of the countries defined as more "egalitarian" countries aren't actually egalitarian at all, they are just more "egalitarian" as defined by feminism. In other words, those countries are just more feminist, not actually more egalitarian. The reality is that sexism, bigot…
/r/MensRights06/06/24 07:48 PM
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Right, so all that violence across every form of popular media isn't encouraging men to be violent? Women romanticizing violent men, or dangerous beasts in fantasy, isn't encouraging men to be violent? People cheering for vigilante justice or violence performed in self-defense isn't encouraging men to be violent? Men not being punished for bullying other men, or men getting bullied because they are not violent, is not encouraging men to be violent? Just because men are punished when they are vio…
/r/MensRights06/06/24 07:40 PM
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A lot of this isn't really conclusive to me, or maybe not looking at the entire picture. For example, saying that men aren't conditioned to be violent is true, in the sense that men are generally punished or reprimanded for being violent(especially if that violence is used against women but not weaker men), but men are also often rewarded for being violent, or for having the capacity for violence, too. Usually they are rewarded with female attention/approval(women romanticize male violence) or w…
/r/MensRights06/06/24 06:05 PM
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All I would take from this argument is that the average women has the emotional maturity of a man that is considerably younger than her.
/r/MensRights05/06/24 03:57 PM
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A lot of women are telling on themselves by trying to use this comparison to put down men, in a very manipulative way, but they are also telling on themselves when they attack men for not being okay being portrayed as violent sub animals too. Realistically, it's the men that care the least or who embrace or agree with the idea of being seen as a dangerous animal that you'd think women should fear more. Not just because it's clearly embracing a dangerous idea of men, or that those men see themsel…
/r/MensRights04/06/24 01:49 PM
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I was about to say that this analogy effectively just replaces one animal for another, not really accomplishing anything, but in this example the snake is actually quite likely to backstab you and be poisonous/toxic, so it does do a good job at highlighting the delusional/ignorant nature of the man vs bear trend.
/r/MensRights04/06/24 01:39 PM
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I've seen multiple variations of this(a tree, a wall, etc) and to me they are all very poor comparisons because they are effectively just comparing women to literally anything that is inanimate or can't speak/understand. It's not actually trying to compare a group of people to animals or make them out to be something they are not. And of course anything that cannot speak will always be safer to talk to than anything that can. And, even though this one is far less manipulative and harmful, and pr…
/r/MensRights04/06/24 01:36 PM
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Women can be bad at communicating and have unhealthy/negative attitude towards most men. These two things are not mutually exclusive. The fact that women can spend so much time communicating non-stop, with other women or within the context of a relationship, doesn't really negate the fact that a lot of women do not know how to communicate with men in the context of dating. Most women have this attitude that they shouldn't actually get to know men or that dating is starts and end with "men doing …
/r/MensRights01/06/24 03:41 PM
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Not only do women tend to greatly down play men's contributions to the home or their efforts around the house, to the point of outright lying about who does what, but they will also often feel like they are entitled to be abrasive and abusive about getting things done their way as well. Not only can this often result in women pushing men away from doing certain tasks, because they aren't being done the way she wants it or when she wants it, but this can also lead to certain tasks that don't actu…
/r/MensRights01/06/24 03:34 PM
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You didn't really have to go that far to make the observation that the standards imposed on men weren't actually objective or unbiased, when the reality is that when people make these types of projections and assumptions against men(which are often false), it's also neglecting to recognize that it's also often coming from women who live at home and who are broke too. Women are judging men on standards that they themselves to do not meet, or have received a tremendous amount of support from socie…
/r/MensRights29/05/24 04:15 PM
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Except... he didn't. I just skimmed it again, and I was right. It's literally just shitting on other content creators because they aren't "men's lib/feminist" enough, gaslighting men about their own experiences and trying to blame the patriarchy for men's issues. There's no real actual acknowledgement of men's issues outside of this ridiculous gynocentric view of what men's rights issues should be.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 06:25 PM
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I watched it up to a certain point and it was already clear by the fifteen minute mark that this man was offering nothing new and just following the same old "men's lib/feminist approved" script we've all seen before. That is why I am confident about where this video is going.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 04:15 AM
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I don't think people really understand or realize just how much misandry and androphobia are really ingrained into the fabric of our society, and a big reason why we don't address the issue of misandry is because of, well, misandry. The feminist idea that women do not have power or influence over men is also, clearly, a complete lie, and feminism has clearly exploited that position of power/influence among women to not only promote/perpetuate itself but also further dismissed a lot of men's issu…
/r/MensRights28/05/24 04:13 AM
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Of course I'm reiterating them I'm actually educated on the topics Are you really though? By whose measure or authority? You certainly don't seem educated on this topic to me. All I have seen so far are tired old tropes and misconception. I'm approaching it from a theoretical / scientific point of view You really aren't though. Nothing you have stated here is actually truthful or "scientific". Nothing you have stated here is actually backed by data. It's inherently dishonest and incomplete, and …
/r/MensRights25/05/24 04:48 AM
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The irony is that women most definitely do not control how other women behave and, more often than not, actually support each other in their own toxic or harmful behavior. You will also often see women enable the worst type of behaviors from other women. Hell, it's one of the primary foundations of feminism. Most women do not even hold themselves accountable for the power or privileges they possess over men, let alone hold other women accountable.
/r/MensRights25/05/24 04:00 AM
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You are just reiterating the same garbage that the OP's video is presenting. You're just repeating the same dismissal/derailing of men's issues that I was arguing against. It's not actually accurate to the reality that most men experience, and most men will tell you as much too. The harmful norms that men experience extend far beyond just being told that they shouldn't cry(which, by the way, is told to men because there is this expectation on men, by women, to be protectors, providers and father…
/r/MensRights24/05/24 08:40 PM
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Why would I sit there and watch an hour and twenty minutes of this guy talking bullshit, when he has already demonstrated himself to be arguing in bad faith against men. Give me the time stamps of where he "addresses" those factors and I will go back and rewatch those parts but I know it's just going to be more of the same type of anti-male rhetoric that's going to try to dismiss the issues men face.
/r/MensRights24/05/24 08:27 PM
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Men never lied to her. Men were very vocal about what they wanted and what they didn't want, and she(like many other women like her) probably told those men to shut up, that they were incels, that they were idiots or assholes. She was likely listening to other women, or feminists/manhaters, about what men or what men want. The crazy part is that she could have just had what she wanted, had she simply put in the slightest bit of effort into meeting the right kind of man instead of just dismissing…
/r/MensRights24/05/24 08:24 PM
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"Male depression/suicide is caused by men not seeking help" being the first and most blatant example of this. Male depression/suicide is a direct result of a massive amount of gender inequality, male disposability and the major social expectations being placed on men(romantically, socially and professionally). Trying to make this about men "not talking about their feelings enough", is not only a blatant attempt to downplay, discredit and disregard those issues but it's a blatant attempt to try t…
/r/MensRights23/05/24 08:51 PM
2

Feminism catered to the worst in women, and thrived due to how much power, influence and privilege women actually have in modern society. Every single issue of social equality, required feminism to focus on addressing toxic femininity, female privilege and gender inequality benefiting/initiated by women, but never actually went there because it wouldn't be as popular as manhating in a society where men will just sit there and take it.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 08:36 PM
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All life has value. No person, man or woman, should ever be regarded as "disposable".
/r/MensRights23/05/24 06:42 PM
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It blows my mind how feminists can effectively tell men they hold all the power, when it's clear that the vast majority of society is setup in a way that does not benefit men, that society/culture treats men as secondary citizens in every possible regard and that it's men in our society who are afraid to speak out, out of fear of being targeted, vilified, delegitimized, cancelled or even criminalized, assaulted or killed for it. It so contradictory.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 06:41 PM
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This seems like something coming straight out of r/WomenWritingMen. What garbage. Also kind of just goes to show how purposefully oblivious these people are when it comes to men or gender inequality outside of the feminist narrative. It's also full of the same old male victim blaming and derailing you could only see from people this oblivious.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 06:35 PM
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Male disposability is never a good thing.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 03:56 AM
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Misandry is steeped into virtually every aspect of every culture/society, and feminism has only made this worse over the past five decades. Not only is it most definitely systemic, but you still have a great deal of people who believe it's systemically acceptable because they see men as being disposable, because they believe men hold all the power, or because they believe that men are just innately of lower value/worth(or outright just inferior).
/r/MensRights23/05/24 03:54 AM
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it tries to criminalize men and empower women to report, scam, blackmail or victimize their clients. It doesn't actually do anything to make women safer, because it effectively makes it impossible for men to report misbehavior/abuse without self-incrimination. It pushes the demand further into a criminal element and makes any man that does solicitate that much more likely to be on edge around sex workers. It's a horrible model that only seems to harm men at it's core.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 04:01 PM
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There is a MASSIVE difference between "forcing your workers to do something" and "allowing employers to impose penalties to their workers for not working". People are always free to not do the work but they also shouldn't expect to get paid for not doing the work either. Employers should have some recourse to protect themselves as well and not just be held hostage to employees who can't be fired or penalized. Sex work should be legitimized and there's certainly many arguments to be made to even …
/r/MensRights18/05/24 03:54 PM
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While this is technically can be practical way of trying to address the problem, I don't think this is really the best solution either. One of the biggest issues going on with dating is that women get too much attention, which artificially inflates women's sense of worth and decreases the amount of time/value women are willing to afford men, while men do not get enough attention, which artificially deflates men's sense of worth and increases the level of competition men have to perform for any k…
/r/MensRights17/05/24 03:26 PM
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Escorts can certainly be a solace to many men, despite not being the real connection that most men need, but it's not really something every man has access to either. Some men can't afford it or might not be comfortable with it, but men are also often attacked or even criminalized for soliciting as well. If you look at something like the nordic model, which outright criminalizes men for even asking(which then exposes them to all kinds of scams, black mail or physical threat without recourse), yo…
/r/MensRights17/05/24 02:53 PM
3

That is definitely a massive factor and I was not trying to dismiss the importance of factors like looks or even peer pre-approval from other women in the way women objectify or qualify men. If you were to take two men with the same appearance/status, and compare them on disposition, it would still be a noticeable difference. Many women do specifically setup their dating strategies in a way so that dark triad traits and aggression, which they themselves often label as "toxic masculinity", can su…
/r/MensRights17/05/24 02:41 PM
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A lot of women don't really realize that they have been radicalized against the process of childbirth by other women/feminists. It's also a huge, and somewhat misandric, projection to make that a lot of men wouldn't bare children if they could. A lot of men would cherish the ability to bare children, and would handle it with far more grace than these women. It's just not a physical possibility.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 02:35 PM
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A lot of men are incels specifically because they are too kind or docile. They are often viewed as not threatening, assertive or brash enough by women, and therefore viewed as unmasculine or delegitimate, which is leads to far fewer options for those men. A lot of incels are also incels because they are viewed as not large enough, not tall enough or not competent enough(in their ability to commit violence), which women see as less threatening or dangerous, and therefore unmasculine or delegitima…
/r/MensRights16/05/24 03:23 PM
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Breasts and pecs are not the same.
/r/MensRights16/05/24 03:11 PM
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I disagree, while it's not the actual guy doing it to himself. It's all the men around him, and it is, in part, toxic masculinity. Wrong. Most men really do not care that much about what other men think of them. It doesn't really impact them and, for the most part, they already see those other men as their competition and therefore take with a grain of salt whatever they think of them. How women think of men, however, does matter to most men, a lot. Because that is what ultimately affects their …
/r/MensRights14/05/24 09:24 PM
1

Women don't have the scarcity issues and dire position men have, because they can always find support from other men or rely on men who are desperate enough to commit crimes on their behalves. Crime is also often a mental health issue, and men suffer far more abuse from society than women do and given far less help, which leads to mental health deterioration and drugs(which also lead to further mental health deterioration).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/24 01:31 PM
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More men suffer, in silence, due to toxic femininity than they have ever suffered from toxic masculinity. The idea that men just kill themselves because they are toxic to themselves is a projection predominantly pushed by misandric women, it is toxic femininity.
/r/MensRights13/05/24 01:27 PM
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"Patriarchy" is mainly a set of expectations that are placed on men, predominantly by women, to take on the burdens of labor and accountability so that women don't have to. It is not actually a system of male dominance, as it is typically portrayed by feminism, but rather a system in which women put men forward to fill those expectations, while still maintaining power over those men, and reward/punish men according to how well they perform in accordance to those expectations. What is often viewe…
/r/MensRights10/05/24 03:29 PM
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This is some weird "thought re-education" stuff. very weird. quite concerning.
/r/MensRights09/05/24 02:04 PM
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It's pretty evident that these women do not care about men in the slightest, and only really care about abuse when they can weaponize it against men or to push a narrative of female victimhood in order to exert control on others.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 07:20 PM
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Men take more risks because they have to in order to stand out sexually/romantically and professionally, and because they have none of the lifelines and safety nets that women have access to. Men fall into substance abuse more often because their lives are more difficult, because they face fare more vilification, isolation and ostracization. They are more exposed to drugs and substance abuse because there are more homeless men, less mental help services for men, less support for men and men have…
/r/MensRights07/05/24 02:33 PM
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Your gf walks by hundreds of men on any given day and doesn't even think twice about it, because she knows men are safe. A lot of women will not even think twice to go up to random men and be completely belligerent, because they know how much systematic power they hold over those men and know that those men really can't do anything to harm them without facing infinitely worse consequences themselves or just won't do anything because they are emotionally unwilling or unable to harm women. The rea…
/r/MensRights07/05/24 02:19 PM
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You could easily use this reasoning to legitimize literally any form of misogyny too. It's like if a man hit a woman and then responding to that with "well, it was an appropriate response because she was been being a bitch", or if a man calls all women stupid and then responding to that by saying "well, it's an appropriate response because these women I know are stupid". It's clearly an excuse to try to rationalize misandry, that could easily be used to rationalize misogyny or racism if you appl…
/r/MensRights07/05/24 02:11 PM
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Worst part is that it's not even because men avoid them. Men will still date those women because men are so desperate for sex and female approval. It's just hard for those women because they willingly choose to push most men away for the sake of their own egos.
/r/MensRights06/05/24 03:32 PM
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Women are creating both the incentive and the drive for men to these types of gendered masculine traits, including most of the "toxic" ones that they are complaining about. There is a very clear correlation between the two, that should be obvious to anyone that isn't living in a feminist vacuum.
/r/MensRights06/05/24 03:29 PM
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There will always be something very sinister to me about people who try to make rape as something worse than being brutalized, dismembered, disfigured or killed. This seems extremely manipulative to me, especially when those same people would only be maintaining this kind of argument from the perspective of a male on female rape and not a female on male, male on male or female on female rape. It betrays not only an extreme hatred of men but also a willingness to use a crime, which they wrongfull…
/r/MensRights03/05/24 09:05 PM
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If you don't address it, the "kids in the room", who are eventually going to be the next generation of adults in the room, are going to make this the new norm. Misandry and androphobia should be called out, as long as it is safe to do so. There might be a time one day when that is no longer the case. The fact that we have already done this far down this slippery slope only demonstrates that it will continue to get worse unless people do something about it.
/r/MensRights03/05/24 06:19 PM
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my most blatant example of this was when a woman just wrote "." to me. Not even a hi or a wave, or even a work. Just a single period, presumably so that I may then initiate the conversation.
/r/MensRights02/05/24 12:54 PM
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They might not have an obligation to force women to initiate but it's certainly something that they could address through discourse, pricing models, corporate message, advertising or by example, or by facilitating it through the app. As it is, it's not actually doing that. It's not even providing a buffer, it's just the same swipe mechanic but women have the final swipe which, even ignoring the fact that it's blatantly sexist, doesn't actually accomplish anything or keep anyone safer.
/r/MensRights02/05/24 12:49 PM
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For the most part, treating men like crap has always been normalized. Even when feminism was just starting off, misandry was rampant. Social media just made a lot of that misandry more visible, because women generally have no problem telling on themselves because of how normalized it is. They see all their friends doing it and giving them support for it, and very few people recognize the misandry or call it out, so they have no problem being open bigots.
/r/MensRights02/05/24 12:45 PM
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It's the latest trend in androphobia. Anyone who answered bear and thought they were making some kind of statement other that showing how bigoted they are or much casual misandry is accepted in our society is just delusional.
/r/MensRights30/04/24 02:30 PM
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The entire premise of women initiating or taking some ownership in the interaction was always a lie. Most of the women on bumble "initiate" by saying nothing and taking the immediate backseat for men to drive the entire conversation. It's clear that bumble was never interested in addressing toxic dating norms and just wanted to capitalize on a false premise. It's anything but progressive.
/r/MensRights30/04/24 02:24 PM
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It is social and it is been around for a very long time, he/she was just oblivious to a reality that society just doesn't want to really address because it's coming from women.
/r/MensRights23/04/24 09:04 PM
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