Acceptable-Try-5940 Archive

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1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering I do see women give general warnings about other women. Tell me, just tell me. Forget real life anecdotal evidence, I am talking about general warnings, the type that women receive often from men but never vice-versa. I'm saying that if he is told beforehand that a relationship is unhealthy then dates the woman anyway He doesn't though, men NEVER get told any type of relationship with any woman is unhealthy. Growing up, the only warning I ever got was "Never stick your dick in crazy", but that w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 04:08 AM
8	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Yes, I mean it objectively does. Lots of men have been with the "I've never done this for anyone else before" type of chick that gives you the most skillful and heavenly bj ever. She only says that because she desires you and doesn't want you to think of less of her (even though you already know the truth). I know you were trying to be satirical, but you legit gave the best answers for desire in this entire thread by accident lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:58 AM
2	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Sex on the first date is not a valid expectation, ever. What if you've done it multiple times already?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:53 AM
4	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Pro tip: women do not care about physical desire more than anything else Note : men should save posts like this the next time a woman says "But we never said we didn't care about looks more than anything else" whenever a discussion comes up about good men getting rejected for being ugly/unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:53 AM
6	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? because of how that woman feels internally. So, it's not as tied to the guy as men might think Yes, and how you feel internally depends on the man. It all revolves back to attractiveness thresholds for hookups vs LTRs. Women know they can get men that are far more attractive than them to sleep with them, but not to have an LTR with them, so most of their hookups will be based on pure desire with very attractive men. Women also know that the guy they have an LTR with has to be on their level of a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:49 AM
3	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Alternatively, she tells him all the things she hates doing sexually, and then does them for him anyway with a smile on her face This is a nice indicator of desire (the rest are too) but best not to do that if you want an LTR lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:42 AM
3	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Is she comfortable to be herself type of deal This is not always true. I've had women be extremely comfortable with me, some even to the point that they'd video-call without makeup, show me personal stuff only her bestie knew, and the random compliments about all my facial features. My fault though, didn't make a sexual move fast enough and she said she didn't feel a "connection". Yes comfort is important, but it doesn't definitely indicate desire. If you make her feel too comfortable, you'll en…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:34 AM
4	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? How is that crazy if you've already had one night stands and slept with other men in a shorter period of time?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:27 AM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering Sigh... I'm not talking about specific individuals here, hell I never expected women to do that either (for women to out bad female friends to their partners). We're talking about general warnings, like the type I gave you and that we often see online. with someone is unhealthy You used the word unhealthy first, in reference to BDP women and/or women with avoidant-attachment style. I've never in my life heard a woman warn me about these women even though most of my male friends have been traumat…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 03:09 AM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering Uh, the only people that I have met that don't realize being warned that a relationship with a person is not healthy are, well, unhealthy people themselves Jesus Christ, what an insane and privileged take to have. It's easy for you to say this when men warn you all the time about bad men that seek to exploit you, but most men never get this courtesy from women. Instead we have to find the truth out the hard way . The complete absence of empathy is actually shocking, not to mention the gaslightin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 02:41 AM
1	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Ruin your chances of a relationship with early sex? Do you think he wouldn't have considered you LTR worthy if you were down for sex on the first date/night? Even now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 02:26 AM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering "Acknowledge that BPD relationships are unhealthy" is not the same as saying to avoid BPD relationships. Plenty of relationship-types are unhealthy, but not all of them are bad, some can end amicably without either partner being hurt. I keep saying, remember, my original point is that I pointed out men are more likely to admit that some other men are bad than women are with other women. Women police other women, but do not say that some women are bad people. To me, your example of formula feeder…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 02:18 AM
-1	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Maybe "no desire" was too much, but "less physical desire" would be more accurate if a woman makes you wait to sleep with her but gave other men ONS. I did want to have sex with him immediately but I refrained. Why? Genuinely asking, curious to why you'd wait when you wanted to. From my POV, women have a higher requirement for attractiveness for sex with a man on a first date/night than for an LTR partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 02:12 AM
3	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? Fair enough, though it isn't always that straightforward. I believe some women will hold out even on kissing for an LTR and legitimately not do those things with you even if there's a desire for it, simply because they want to make sure you will be their LTR partner and they can't just do it with any stranger. However, I can immediately tell she has no desire if she did kiss or sleep with a man early on in the past, but won't with you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:58 AM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering But you can, when dealing with men, women will put a united front to protect the gender overall, and when women are between each other (no men involved), they will bully, gossip, and backstab each other. These two aren't mutually-exclusive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:54 AM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering Nope, no women-shaming on those. Please understand, women policing women is NOT the same as women shaming women. If I go on the AskFeminists sub right now, I see posts about "Women vs Lady?", "Are terms like Jessica and Karen misogynistic?", and "Do you believe adjacent white-girl is sexist?". This is women policing other women on words to use, but it is NOT women shaming other women. I specifically said that men will say to women "That man was bad and just wanted you for sex", like men will adm…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:51 AM
4	What are the signs that a man is genuinely desired and not just settled for as the "safe guy"? This isn't always true, I have some female friends who do all of those things with me except the kissing. Always smiling, laughing, being very physical, and proposing hangouts, and yet I know for a fact they don't want to sleep with me. And the opposite, I know women are very shy when they're with their crush. From my experience, you can only really gauge their level of desire by how far they let you go/escalate at the start.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:42 AM
3	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering Then go ahead and name me one, my "brother in Christ". I already acknowledged one, FDS, I've seen tons of hate for liberal feminists on that forum. Name me ONE other forum/subreddit that has a lot of woman-shaming by other women? If you go to their front page now and find no post criticizing bad behavior by women, then don't bother naming them. I need an example. Again, like I said previously, I'm excluding criticisms of Karen's and Pick Me's in female forums. Just as I exclude criticisms of Sim…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:36 AM
3	TRP’s irrational (and unproductive) hatred of single moms is fully driven by the Madonna-Whore complex Define abandon here, what if you want to keep the child but not the woman, but due to how courts work, the mom keeps the child? Is the man still a monster?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:26 AM
2	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering You gave an example of a positive stereotype (Black men have large 🍆). I assure you, 99% of Black men prefer having a stereotype like that (even if it's seen as dehumanizing). Any man of any race would love to have that stereotype associated with their race since it increases their sexual attractiveness to women overall. Very few men of any race object to positive stereotypes even if they don't apply to the individual. Sometimes men say positive stereotypes about women too (which women want to a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 01:05 AM
1	For all the talk about the differences between men and women, men here seem to ignore the gender differences when it comes to the topic of sex. If she's behaving as if she's attracted to him, then do you think he'll bother thinking about whether she's attracted to him or not? Of course not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 12:45 AM
1	For all the talk about the differences between men and women, men here seem to ignore the gender differences when it comes to the topic of sex. I demand to be treated as good as any other man they’ve fucked in the past and I don’t settle for less. This one is so damn important. If she did crazy things for an ex that she is unwilling to do for you, then she is simply not that interested in you overall (or not as much as she was in him). Very few women would tolerate their boyfriends treating them worse than one of his ex's simply because he finds his current gf to be less attractive. Not sure why so many women expect men to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 12:43 AM
2	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering When someone tells you that members of X gender did Y bad action, there are multiple ways to respond to that ; Yes, we all love positive stereotypes, but saying "Not all men" in response to bad behavior by some men at least allows you to say positive things about all men in other situations. Saying "We're not all a monolith" in response to bad behavior by women makes you look like a hypocrite when you accept positive things said about all women in a monolith way. Tldr ; don't use the word "monol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 12:32 AM
2	Nobody cares about men’s problems. Hon, I literally have videos saved of women giving each other tips on how to scam men out of money and get free trips from them. If you want to argue that men are capable of greater evil against women because we're physically stronger than you, then I won't argue against that. But to claim that there aren't countless female-dominated forums that are not only extremely hostile to men, but literally ban all male posters because of their misandry is just arguing in bad faith. Men are hypersensitive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 12:26 AM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. Alright, one of the "virtue-signals" you said men do is us saying "Men are simple". In what way do you think men are complex? you're not being a hypocrite I'm not. Remember, you felt insulted originally, but to me it is not an insult. If you said to me "Men virtue-signal, they shame promiscuity and yet they wish they could it!", I would say "True, many men do that, I see it often." You just didn't give any examples of virtue-signalling, that's the problem. I had to give one for you. That is the …	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/01/26 12:10 AM
2	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering That's a good point, but it's slightly different between genders. For example, how many Black men do you see spewing the "We're not all a monolith!!!" line? For example, if you use a racist stereotype against a Black man, like saying he's a gangbanger or is fatherless, you won't hear him say "We're not a monolith". I think the only issue here is the word "monolith", very often it can be seen as a way for women to defend bad behavior by other women by somehow implying that the bad behavior origin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:59 PM
1	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering Saying that reddit is only 30-35% female is extremely misrepresentative and dishonest. The reality is that most of the relationship and dating subs are all overwhelmingly female, I'm talking about subs like Am I the Asshole, Marriage, and anything dating-related too. In every single one of those subs, you will rarely, if never, see one woman criticize a man for choosing a bad woman, or a woman telling men to avoid bad women. Instead, a lot of women will blame the man even when it's the woman's f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:43 PM
–	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. Man hating feminists say the same thing about the shit they spew. You gave no examples of virtue-signaling from men. I even gave one for you, but that one never happens. Virtue-signaling has to make a person look morally good and not shallow. What's an example of a common virtue-signal by men? I'm steelmanning hard for you and trying to think of a virtue-signal that us men do, and nothing comes to mind. The only one that comes to mind is that many men say they criticize female promiscuity becaus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:32 PM
0	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering I know that the women on this subreddit represent a specific demographic, and aren't a representation of the general female population. And yet in every single female community (with one exception, I'll elaborate on this after), the rule holds, women are simply less likely to criticize other women. Many do it out of fear of being called Pick Me's, and others do it simply because they enjoy other women hurting men (even if they personally don't). This isn't true for men. In every male community y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:25 PM
–	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. So men do virtue signal. No we don't, as I said, all those things are simply true. An example of virtue signalling by men is if a man said he only dates for personality, not looks. That's an obvious lie, and thankfully, I've never heard a man say this. Though I do hear women say they care more about personality than looks (aka virtue signaling). Then they can shut the fuck up about women and their moral failings. Technically, any whining about women's moral failings has nothing to do with red pi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:16 PM
–	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. You're right, but only because they use the wrong definition of "good woman'. A lot of men simply define "good woman" as a woman who is willing to sleep with a man she's not sexually attracted to, when this is dumb as hell because there are few to no good men too by this definition. A woman with genuine self-respect is really a unicorn (in our 20's). All the women I've seen with genuine self-respect are in their 30's or older. Women in their 20's are willing to accept disrespect if the man is se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:10 PM
7	Women Are Completely Fine With Admitting that they are a Monolith - Provided that the Generalization is not Unflattering No, you're talking about two different things. Men too have our own versions of Karen's and Pick Me's (we call them boomers and simps), but these are two different categories from the "bad men" that wtknight mentioned, namely the men who are sexually attractive to women but have bad intentions (they only want to sleep around and will lie to achieve that). To be fair, on this sub especially, I have seen some women attack other "bad women", especially women with BPD, "hot bimbos", and women with a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/01/26 11:05 PM
2	The only way for men to move forward is to recognize both the positive AND toxic traits of the men who came before us, including our fathers Yes, but the majority of your complaints at directed at the same few sexually attractive men that even got a chance with you. I'm gen Z, most men my age can't get into a relationship because they're not sexually attractive to the majority of women. There's probably a man who'd love to be your bangmaid instead, but who you're not attracted to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 11:10 PM
-3	The only way for men to move forward is to recognize both the positive AND toxic traits of the men who came before us, including our fathers OP, most men's problems revolve around the average man being sexually unattractive to the average woman. How does "recognizing the positive and toxic traits of the men who came before us" help solve that? When it has been clearly shown that empathy in men gives women the ick? Is this a trap?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 10:47 PM
4	"Really good people don't demand a reward!" is bullshit logic. No, genuinely, no singular action ever entitles you to sex. Hypothetically speaking, just assume he isn't, what then? This isn't a dig at you btw, and not even a dig who women who sleep with abusive men either, no woman should be forced to sleep with someone sexually unattractive to her, or refuse to sleep with someone sexually attractive to her. It's a dig at the virtue-signalers who say they want a "good man". They're liars who don't really know what they want. Keep reminding men like OP that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 10:44 PM
2	"Really good people don't demand a reward!" is bullshit logic. Nah, you're still missing the point, and it's not even about dates and rejection. The principle is that people who do good expect to be treated better than people who don't do good, hence why in my example, I mentioned the volunteer deserving to be treated better by the guests than someone not volunteering, especially if the guests specifically said they love volunteers. It's a thinly veiled reference to how women say they want a "good guy", and yet actively put them in the friendzone while slee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 10:33 PM
15	"Really good people don't demand a reward!" is bullshit logic. Way to exaggerate the difference here. In reality, if you go volunteer, you won't demand that the guests drop to the floor and your feet, but you will expect the guests to treat you better than someone not volunteering. Especially if the guests were people who said "We love people who volunteer at soup kitchens!".	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 10:01 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. Yes you said it well, I think the misogyny is an overcorrection to a phenomena that should not happen anymore, namely the idealization of women by society. Many of the most severe misogynists out there are men who grew up with a warped view of women being these icons of goodness and virtue, and when reality did not conform to their view, they felt lied to and deceived, and over-corrected far too much in their attempt to make women "less good". These are also often men with poor emotional control…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 09:43 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. You can read the rest of my thread with Terrible_Lift, we actually agree with each other and are very empathetic to each other's positions. It's nothing malicious, I promise.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 07:40 PM
3	Is Vetting Seen as a Red Flag Yes, I believe that all women should vet the man and be strict about their expectations (like not wanting just a casual hook-up), definitely a green flag as it shows the woman has standards. It sucks though, for some men it backfires if you show her that you meet her requirements, because then she'll think you're too eager to be with her and lose interest (happened to me once), and I guess it also sucks for women who get lied to by men about their intentions and tricked by them, making vetting e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 07:39 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. Putting just LTR, not “open to casual” too, makes it seem to some that you’re too desperate to settle. Yes I know, to be fair, I learned this in the redpill, which says that the more a man wants an LTR, the less sexually attractive he will be to women, since it makes women think he's not attractive enough to get casual sex, or he's trying to settle, or that he doesn't think he can get casual sex. This went against my bluepilled beliefs that women want an LTR, but I see the truth in it. I actuall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 07:35 PM
2	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. They lack emotional depth, and the ability to regulate their emotions well. This is inflicted by society. We are told to "man up", to deal with it, and get 0 emotional support for any of our traumas. Women say they wish men opened up to them emotionally, but most men will attest to seeing the disgust on the face of women they've opened up to. Shit, I even lost a friendship with a woman that way. Still though, how does that disprove the claim that what men say show directly what they do? I guess …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 07:19 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. That's a great bio, yes on mine I always put that I'm only interested in a long-term relationship, I never add "open to casual" and made it clear in most dates that I'm looking for a life partner. I'm not a "we'll see where this goes" guy, I'm a "we're together to be in an LTR once this becomes official, and the only thing that can end this is finding an incompatibility between us". I've invested thousands in fashion and grooming, have a detailed skincare routine, and hit the gym, I'm good at ge…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 07:01 PM
3	Is Vetting Seen as a Red Flag Vetting is a major green flag for me, but from my experience, allowing women to vet you will sometimes make her lose interest. Like she'll be disappointed and lose sexual attraction to you if you show that you're happy to meet her requirements.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 06:47 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. I appreciate your empathy. Sadly my bluepill was on a whole other level, to the point that promiscuity, especially with women who potentially wanted an LTR without you knowing, was a big no-no. Imagine you broke a woman's heart that way, it was unthinkable for me. What happens when you've always been in the right state of mind to be a good partner? I went to college, focused on studies, graduated in STEM, now make around 150k/yr with bonuses (still in my 20's), and have my own place and car. Cur…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 06:37 PM
2	Nobody cares about men’s problems. Eh, to be fair, I don't consider your lack of empathy to be a "bad" thing per se. Empathy is a nice bonus, but the default should be to not expect it. Still though, again, it's surprising that millions of men can empathize with women, but not vice versa. I believe it's because we're more likely to empathize with attractive people, and since most women are attractive to most men, it's easier for us to empathize with you than the other way around (most women are not attracted to most men).	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 06:19 PM
1	New demographic Happening Lol the old ass men in their 40's are completely oblivious to the dating problems us gen Z men have. We have it 10x worse than they ever did, so trust me, the advice from our own generation is sufficient for us. You still didn't deny older single women poisoning the well for younger women, interesting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 06:16 PM
1	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. It’s because both my dad and grandfather were bigger men. Same buddy, also I grew up with an extremely moral and loving father. Most of my bluepilled beliefs came from him, and he insisted on how important it is to be good and kind to women. He's the most moral man I know. Problem is, he's the product of a bygone era, of a time when men courted traditional women. Modern women are entirely different from the women from his era, he doesn't get it anymore... There are some terrible women. I was nev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 06:12 PM
0	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. “We're more logical” “We’re more simple.” “We have lower standards.” “We’re more honest” “We take accountability more” All of these things are objectively true. good/bad/creepy behavior is. The red pill is amoral, it doesn't care. If being creepy makes you more sexually attractive to women, then the red pill will tell you to be creepy. If not, then the red pill will tell you not to be creepy. The red pill is a direct reflection of who you are, of how women are. If being good got men laid, then t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:59 PM
0	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. Of course, blue pill is essentially what society teaches men about women from birth. Growing up we're given a very idealistic view of women, and are told that women should be treated differently, namely that we should be kinder to women, more gentle, more chivalrous, etc and that women are good. A real man never hits a woman (not even after a slap). A real man doesn't make a lady wait! A real man considers a woman's feelings, doesn't sexualize her, and treats her with respect and dignity. But ul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:46 PM
2	Nobody cares about men’s problems. Weird that you brought anxiety up, is that how you feel? Bluepilled male feminists desperately simp for women and not ONE of them has ever received pussy or sex for it, it becomes a humiliation ritual for them. Pick Me's meanwhile can easily boost themselves just by showing basic empathy to men, and increase their LTR value for it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:36 PM
0	New demographic Happening Ye, that's how we feel about bitter single women in their 30's. Or are women who get ignored by men also not losers?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:32 PM
0	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. The redpill wouldn't need to exist if the bluepill wasn't entirely wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:29 PM
4	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. but it seems you forgot that also applies to men. No, because men, unlike women, don't really virtue-signal, so you don't need an equivalent of the RP ideology to understand how men work. A woman can just listen to what a man says to understand how men work. But men are forced to ignore what women say, and to purely observe what they DO. So if you're a man and you see a woman saying she wants a yearner bf, then you ignore what she says and do the opposite, because you already know all her ex's w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:28 PM
7	Redpill moral reasoning is felony-based. Hence, they cant detect good, bad, nor creepy behavior. do the same thing with attractive bad women. Even when an average man is with an attractive woman, he's still the one chasing. It’s more that their misogyny prevents them from understanding women To the contrary, the whole reason that the redpill is gaining so much traction is specifically because it understands women better than the bluepill does. The majority of men start off as bluepill, and grow up with an idealistic view of women. Reality not conforming to their idealistic view (getting rej…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:19 PM
1	New demographic Happening What judgement? There's no judgement here. Who said that it’s a way to avoid? Are you trolling? A lot of SAHM's feel trapped because they never built a career and feel more at risk if they decide to leave their marriage, it's a vulnerability they wish their daughters wouldn't have. Meanwhile bitter single women in their 30's have the mentality that "If I'm in a shitty situation and messed up, then younger women should mess up too and be in the same situation as me!". It's evil.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 05:01 PM
5	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations A lot of them are dating not even to find a life partner, but to get over an ex. You're going to be competing with that men forever while the man in question is probably traumatizing another woman. This is the shit gen Z men have to deal with, and yet boomers still think they could survive in this environment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:43 PM
0	New demographic Happening Nobody said all of them are, the point is that men with money don't have a long list of requirements for women like rich women do with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:36 PM
0	New demographic Happening Men in their early 20's have low value, why aren't you crying about how it's unfair for us to get ignored by women? Here you are crying about women in their 30's being ignored, but should SMV only be ignored when it suits you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:34 PM
1	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. Women are far more likely to aggregate around a single opinion than men are (it's called the Bell curve). You want to know how I know you're wrong? When two groups of women actually disagree on something, they'll condemn each for it. Any woman advocating anything for men usually gets called a Pick Me and gets ostracized. Why is u/pie-mart the only woman I've ever seen on reddit, or anywhere really, condemn the word virgin being used an insult by women (something I've seen many women do)? That's …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:29 PM
2	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men I'm not special nor unique, I'm literally describing the plights of the majority of young men today. Instead of showing any empathy at all for younger men, you try to hijack the debate to advocate for benefits for your own generation primarily, that's very immoral.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:25 PM
4	Nobody cares about men’s problems. A lot of male discussion online is so fucking incredibly hostile to women. Yes, and a lot of female discussion online is so incredibly hostile to men, so? This is normal. What's not normal is that while there are many males who care about women's issues, there are few to no females who cares about men's problems. That's where the imbalance is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:23 PM
2	Nobody cares about men’s problems. This is classical projection. Pick Me's are insanely popular with men and do it for a reason, it's not like the bluepilled performative males who are absolutely desexualized by women and never chosen for relationships. I've seen male feminists get absolutely trashed on by women whenever they tell women stuff like "that guy you're sleeping with is a jerk and misogynistic, you should leave him". They're too emasculated.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:21 PM
1	New demographic Happening Yes, because instead of trying to help younger women avoid the shitty situation they're in, they intentionally give them bad advice so that they end up just like them. I understand why married SAHM's tell their daughters to get a career, they feel like they're in a bad position and don't want their daughters to end up like them, I respect that, but why are the bitter femcels in their 30's trying to breed more bitter femcels?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:18 PM
0	New demographic Happening I didn't say anything about career, I said that bitter single women in their 30's are encouraging young women in their 20's to go through a "hoe phase" and not to settle with unattractive men (only a physically attractive one). Those women in their 30's want younger women to do the same thing they did and end up in the same place as them. Single women trying to keep other women single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:48 AM
2	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? There aren't, and if they do exist, they're a small diamond in an ocean of sewage. Many men would kill for a woman like that, but the best we can hope for is the man-hating FDS types. Any woman who can overcome her biology and turn down a Chad (if he's not serious) trying to hook up with her is admirable to me, even if she's a literal misandrist. Very few women have the self-respect to do that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:42 AM
0	New demographic Happening How would you possibly know though? Like legit, do you think a man interested in you would tell you outright that you having your own place and a high paying job either doesn't do anything for him or turns him off? I'm sure you've seen the story posted of the well-off woman reciting her list of requirements in men (6 ft+, 6 figure salary, has his own home and car, etc) while the well-off man is mesmerized by the McDonalds cashier. For both men and women, physical looks trump everything.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:36 AM
1	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Ironically yes, as long as she's always has had those beliefs and has a low N count or is even a virgin. If she has high standards and I meet them, it makes me feel like a catch and her too. I feel like something I truly hate is knowing I'm treated worse by a woman just because I'm not as attractive as a previous Chad, this happens whenever I find out she did something (or broke some rules) for a previous ex that she does not do for me. It's deeply emasculating and makes you feel inferior. Not e…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:28 AM
3	New demographic Happening Facts don't care about your feelings. You posted 1 source which didn't even say that men wanted marriage more than women, only that gen Z men who want marriage want to get married sooner than women (duh, most women only start wanting marriage late 20's/early 30's). But we both know you're arguing in bad faith, everybody knows that it's women whining about men not wanting to get married, and not vice versa. There's a reason why that sub I mentioned is almost exclusively female. https://www.np.red…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 04:05 AM
0	New demographic Happening A lot of those older women actively poison the well for younger women, they tell them "to have fun sleeping around" and to only get into relationships with physically attractive men, thereby repeating the process that left those older women single in their 30's. Men would love to just ignore them, but they actively try to keep other women single too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:53 AM
1	Nobody cares about men’s problems. Those specific men? They either only care about getting laid, or are happy to be single and politically progressive. To be fair, talking about men's problems is also a waste of time. It's a nice gesture when women do and it shows that their empathetic, but men's problems are inherently natural. Historically speaking, most men did not get to reproduce, while most women were able reproduce. Men are lonely because we're mostly unattractive, and the average woman only wants to reproduce with the top…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:50 AM
-1	New demographic Happening Settle? She's an aging woman in her 30's, she can't demand anything higher than a low value male when she's a low value female too (in terms of SMV). Men don't care about her having her "shit together", that doesn't make her more sexually attractive to us (to the contrary). She wants a high value man, but the high value man has options and can pick hotter women (someone in her 20's that isn't as demanding or jaded). She's not good, she's an incel.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:41 AM
22	Nobody cares about men’s problems. Lots of men care about women's problems. Some do it just to get in their pants yes, but you'll still see those performative bluepill males advocate to help improve women's power and leverage overall. This sub is filled with those men. Meanwhile Pick Me's practically don't exist. Haven't seen a single Pick Me on this sub, and the only two I know of are Peachy and that woman who slides in front of her mirror. Millions of men who cry about women's issues, a few dozen women who cry about men's issue…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:37 AM
1	New demographic Happening See my other reply to her to understand what I meant, it's nothing malicious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:29 AM
0	New demographic Happening Nobody said that. What I said was that for many women that are voluntarily celibate out of anger at men, their "single" is different from men's "single". It's not just relationship with an average guy vs celibacy for women, it's relationship with an average guy vs a situationship with an attractive Chad. Lots of my female friends swear off situationships, demanding a man who commits to them, and yet they're still sleeping with non-committal men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:27 AM
1	New demographic Happening What they mean is “I want X from a man who is attractive to me”. Yes, now I know this, but before I didn't. I used to follow so much female dating advice, and it actually made things worse and made me seem less attractive. She has to find him attractive. Most men won't know that. For example years ago when I started dating after uni, I remember seeing this IG of a woman saying she wishes she had a man whose IG profile was empty with the blank picture. I was happy, "that's me!", kept thinking tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:23 AM
0	New demographic Happening is Chad, when in reality it’s them vs her single life. What's the difference here? The Chad sleeping with her but not committing to her (situationship) thinks they're both single. If she could get the Chad to commit, she wouldn't be single at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:14 AM
1	New demographic Happening No, I used to think that women meant "I want X from average men" (since she's average too), but since 80% of men are ugly to you, then same thing right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:09 AM
0	New demographic Happening Yeah, that's not true. Even the women who insist they'd rather be single won't exactly attack marriage and tell other women not to get married, since deep down, they still want marriage. The overwhelming majority of women do legitimately want to get married, it's a dream for most. That woman you mentioned with her shit together is especially more likely to demand marriage from her current partner asap. This is why I yawn at women who threaten men by saying they won't get into a relationship with…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:07 AM
1	New demographic Happening You missed the point, I posted those two examples as rhetoric of women use to prove their claims that they truly want to be single and are not just destroying themselves with solitude to get back at men who don't meet their demands. The women who post those 2 examples insist that women prefer being single instead of dating inadequate men (aka the vast majority of men). But I keep remembering, whenever a woman says "I want X", you always need to add "I want X from attractive men" at the end to ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 03:01 AM
2	New demographic Happening Women gatekeep sex and dating, and men gatekeep marriage. If the average woman leverages her refusal to have sex and date average men to make demands of the opposite gender, then it is entirely justifiable for men to do the same with marriage, and demand that women make some changes if they want to get married. They did it first.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 02:56 AM
2	New demographic Happening Women in general don’t want to be single. Could've fooled me. I'll keep believing this until I see the next "Women prefer their own company to dating men" and "Here's a study showing single women are happier than single men! We love it!" post by some feminist.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 02:53 AM
1	New demographic Happening Men desire marriage more than women now. No we don't. There's a reason why 100% of all the posts online about someone's partner not wanting to get married are always by women. There's even an entire sub that's a support group for women that want their man to propose (r/Waiting_To_Wed). Again, more gaslighting by women. Telling men "Actually, YOU want marriage more than we do" won't make us want marriage more. What type of reverse psychology is this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 02:51 AM
–	Why do you think money dosent matter in Dating? Yeah, nothing of what you wrote makes any sense at all, and applies to few men. Men at large do NOT care about how much a woman makes, because as we all know, any money the man makes is both our money, and any money she makes is her money and hers alone. Why are you even mentioning divorce rape or alimony? Both rich and poor women will get their alimony regardless, so what's the point of bringing it up? there is likely an equally or more attractive woman with a similar personality who would also…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 02:43 AM
4	New demographic Happening Yep, most of their rhetoric about wanting to be single is worthless because the next day they will whine about men not wanting marriage. You'll know women won't just be virtue-signaling when they actually do start saying to not get married anymore (a dream for most of them).	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/01/26 02:18 AM
5	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations If something was traumatic enough that your current behavior is still heavily influenced by it, then it definitely deserves to be called trauma. I was irritated by a parking ticket I got last month. I was hurt when a coworker didn't say hi back. I was offended when I found out someone hanged out with a different friend than me. Are any of these events influencing my current behavior? No, not trauma. Is the ghosting after sex influencing the woman's behavior with me? Yes, trauma...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:38 PM
5	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Who do you think they're taking out their "irritation, hurt, and offense" on then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:27 PM
2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Yes, that is how natural selection works. But do you know what else is natural? Rape and murder. Our ancestors had very high murder rates (like over 20%).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:16 PM
4	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations My point initially is that men today have it way harder in dating due to the increased competition. We don't want to hear no advice from the older generation of men since they can't fathom how much harder dating is for men now. Their advice is very tone-deaf. I don't even want to sleep around, I can approach women and get dates no problem, but finding a woman who hasn't had her ego bloated by all the men DMing her, and hasn't been traumatized by situationships and ghostings after sex, is practic…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 11:05 PM
7	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations They didn't have as many opportunities to become jaded, how many boomer women do you think were in situationships or got ghosted after sex exactly? These are 2 things that are traumatizing the average woman the most and making her despise all men. Yes, women are realistic, and in any circumstance will want the best available man to them. But to the average boomer woman who settled, the difference between the average man she settled with, and the best available man that she knew of were minimal. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:58 PM
6	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Yes but Stacy only still had a very limited number of males she regularly interacted with, or saw in public. It wasn't unlimited like it is today. The same thing that happened to the job market (the average job now gets thousands of applications, when decades ago it would only get a few). More competition just makes both the employers and women more demanding. Being a gen Z man sucks because we're not only competing with other gen Z men, but also men FROM EVERY OTHER GENERATION that hit up women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:39 PM
11	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Boomer men took their women for granted. It took them decades of bad marriages for those women to become jaded and upset. Gen Z men? Our women are already jaded during the dating phase! I love to hear about how she hates men on dates because some Chad ghosted her after sex last week, definitely a pleasure for me. What do you think boomer men and women talked about during dates?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:32 PM
1	Are we often mistaking selfishness for sexism in women and men? Wait, how come it's not sexist for women to want men to date and plan more on the basis of their gender? A lot of women complain about their boyfriends not planning enough dates or outings, and when they're asked if they do any of that either, they say "No it's a man's job to lead". Is that not sexist as hell?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:28 PM
12	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations They absolutely wouldn't. The same boomers who say "Back in my day I went to the company office, gave the boss a firm handshake, talked about myself, and was hired!" probably think that dating today would be just as easy (just go up to her, introduce yourself, and invite her to a date!"). Like nah, that has an almost 0% success rate now. Not only do you have to be very attractive, but you also need game and most importantly, to stand out, because 100 other dudes asked her out last week. Women to…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:26 PM
21	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Yes, there were less men approaching overall, not only because there were less people, but also because their approaching was far more successful (women more likely to accept, less picky), so less approaching overall. Worst part? Women aren't even benefiting either! Women hate men today far more than they ever did since WW2, so both men and women are suffering, and only the top 1% of men are benefiting.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:13 PM
1	Are we often mistaking selfishness for sexism in women and men? The subject here is that a lot of women expect men to lead and plan most things like dates and outings (especially during dating phase). Aren't they sexist for that if those women aren't equally planning dates and fun events too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:07 PM
1	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back No the OP directly, but the woman he's referencing. She's complaining about men not communicating properly during dates. There's another thread of it, I had the two mixed up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 10:01 PM
1	Are we often mistaking selfishness for sexism in women and men? How about "my partner should be exciting because he's a man", would that "sexist" according to your theory?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:57 PM
26	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations You can't give advice for something you've never lived through. Older men could easily get a high value woman in their era with little to zero effort. They really can't possibly understand the modern dating scene where hundreds of men are in a woman's DMs competing with each other to get a low value woman that demands a 6 foot tall man with abs and a high paying job. In their era they could just approach any random waitress and get a very loving woman that wasn't jaded from years of casual sex w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:48 PM
24	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Older gen men wouldn't survive a day in the current dating environment. Back they didn't have to compete with hundreds of thousands of other men for the same women in their area. There was no OLD or internet to make it accessible for their local women to look for men elsewhere. They didn't have #metoo to worry about approaching, they didn't have women demanding that they be 6 ft tall, 6 figure salary, and be super fit. They just had to be present and that was it. 0 effort required on their part.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:43 PM
35	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations No they're not. The older generator wouldn't survive a day in the current dating environment. Boomers, Gen Xers, and millennial men all dated at a time when women had fewer options, and thus less competition for each man individually. Everything gets harder with time due to more competition. 60 years ago you only competed with the 3 village idiots for that job you wanted. Nowadays not only are you competing with tens of millions of other men for that same job (that pays less), but possibly billi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:23 PM
8	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Sounds like the plot to a Hollywood flick, but doesn't correspond to reality unfortunately. Most people back then never left their birth city, and most people still don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 09:15 PM
16	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations Every woman I know (younger than me) has used a dating app at least once, and I'm pretty sure every single one of them had some one-time hookup off it. The problem isn't the dating app, it's their increased standards based on the men they slept with from OLD (top 20% men sleeping around with the bottom 80% of women), they apply to those standards to the average men they meet in real life (for an LTR) and it results in the femcel/incel situation that we have now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 08:08 PM
10	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations No, today you learned that most people back then weren't as interconnected as they are today. Even in cities, Stacy 1980's very rarely ran into a highly-attractive top 10% man in her every day-to-day life. Now? He's just a few swipes away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:49 PM
2	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back They become better at socializing by putting in the effort. But so far, they never needed to because they've only dated and slept with women who are less attractive than them (their looksmatch would not tolerate bad social skills). I think OP is in her 30's, I don't think a 35 year old man just suddenly decided to be garbage at socializing. He has probably dated women he deems below his attractiveness, and never had to develop social skills because he never needed to for the women he dates.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:43 PM
2	Thoughts on the "good guy" vs "former hoe" relationship trope That was me being nice, in reality my statistical evidence is far more recent and relevant than yours, so on that basis you are debunked entirely. But since the studies I provided do not outright say "Men and women with equal/unequal N counts are settling down together" (nor do yours for that matter), I did an "ok we could both be right". I take that back now, because your point literally implies that most women will die single since they will seek out high N count males while not finding any (t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:39 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Yes it happened a lot in the past, and still happens in older couples, but doesn't happen anymore for young people. Young women will only date men that stimulate them either sexually or emotionally, and a legitimate nice guy who doesn't resort to manipulation cannot do either of that. Older women were more in control of their biology and did not allow their feelings to control their every action (aka the behavior of an animal acting purely on instinct).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:34 PM
3	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back What's the saying? If he wanted to, he would. Men put more effort into the women they're attracted to and vice versa. All these complaints revolve back to low effort from the uninterested male, but as an average woman you really can't have both an attractive guy and someone who puts in effort. Only top women can get a guy who's both attractive and good in everything else (a top male).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:31 PM
1	Thoughts on the "good guy" vs "former hoe" relationship trope Lol, you wrote in your comment that I'd better not ignore the links that you provided (that I referenced in my reply, I had to re-edit because it wasn't posting). And here you are doing just that. This is proof why millennials are really out of touch with gen Z, our experiences are totally different.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:27 PM
1	Thoughts on the "good guy" vs "former hoe" relationship trope Assortative mating is established, along with partner count medians Nobody cares man, most of your studies are actually quite old (pre-COVID), and don't take into account current dating dynamics. Assortative mating was common for most of human history, back when women had few options beyond the few guys in their town. Now women have options now and it is far easier for them to sleep around than it has ever been. I bet the average partner count median was far more balanced for people in their 20'…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 07:24 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back Fair enough, then guess the OP should also be given advice telling her to improve herself first and foremost to attract the mates that she wants. Whining about it on the Internet is pointless.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:55 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Have you seen unattractive good men with girlfriends? Good men who never manipulated their way into a relationship?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:52 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back Uh yes you probably would. If you saw an obese basement-dweller demanding a Victoria's Secret model as a gf, while saying he's not attracted to women less pretty than her, you definitely would tell the fatass to eat it up and date someone closer to his league. Bit of an extreme example but you get the point. The dating market is just like any other market, if you're selling apples at 15$ and nobody is buying above 5$, then you should maybe reduce the price to 5$, even though you believe your app…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:51 PM
22	Gen Z men shouldn't take dating advice from older generations 40 years ago, average Stacy only knew the 5 guys in her town and never bothered bringing her standards above those 5 guys because they're all she knew. Nowadays the average Stacy literally has access to tens of millions of men through online dating and the Internet, her standards and demands will be sky-high because a few top tier men will sleep with her (but not commit), and those few top tier men will be her new standard. Most old man advice was only geared towards the 1st situation, where the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:46 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back Yes sadly. I know it's quite hard going against your biology, your body is telling you that this man isn't making your vagina tingle, or giving you butterflies in the stomach, so he can't be the one, but that's how it is unless you just want fwb casual sex forever. The same advice is given to men who struggle with dating, 90% of the time it's because you're dating people outside of your league or who aren't attracted to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:39 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back Yes I know, ironically yesterday I made a comment that said although female relationship advice is absolutely garbage for most men (stuff like "be a yearner!!"), it actually does work for men who are already attractive but whose problem is that they can't hold down a relationship (tiny minority of men). Still though, it's easier for a Chad to learn the bluepill than it is for an average guy to master the red pill (which requires you to rebuild yourself completely). At least the bluepill is mains…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:36 PM
2	Thoughts on the "good guy" vs "former hoe" relationship trope Look, neither of us has the statistical evidence here to back up either of our claims, so we're both going off anecdotal evidence, let's get that out of the way. With that being said, I'm gen Z, and let me tell you, the majority of women our age are in relationships and very much sexually active, while the majority of men aren't are and are lonely. The men want to be with the women, but aren't good enough for them (don't meet their standards currently). You understand what that means right? Inev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:29 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back A hot and engaging man can get a top 20% woman. Are you a top 20% woman? You know, one definition of intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns. If over and over you see that the men you're dating (assuming they're similar in attractiveness looks-wise) all either have boring personalities, or are only interested in sex, then wouldn't that make you think "Hmm maybe I should lower my standards lookswise, since at this level, men aren't interested in an LTR with me"? Just a though. ..no wond…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:19 PM
1	Thoughts on the "good guy" vs "former hoe" relationship trope they're finding compatible partners or staying single Wrong, no they're not. Hoes often slept around with players in their 20's, they don't want to settle down with another player in their 30's since they know he's unlikely to stay around. That unemployed gangbanger who slept with her won't be on her mind when she's looking for someone to settle down permanently with. I will agree that former hoes won't seek out virgins, but they will look for a low N count in a man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:12 PM
–	Apparently women are going on dates with men who ask them no questions back A lot of hot men (like top 10%) never had to bother developing a personality because their looks were enough to get them sex, dates, and relationships. This reminds me of women complaining about how tall men don't have a personality because being tall was their entire personality and they never needed to develop one. This is yet another case of women dating hot men out of their league and then complaining about X, Y, Z missing, when the guys who actually have X, Y, Z never got a chance to begin …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 06:05 PM
6	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. I believe you personally, I saw your comment on the other thread where you said it's wrong for women to use virgin as an insult and should stop it. Problem is, it seems like most women don't share your feelings, and the reason I found your other comment so shocking was because of how rare it is for women to hold your position.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:58 PM
6	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. No, you shame the men for his lack of success because it legitimately disgusts you, not because "it'll hurt the man you're talking to". Most of women's shaming is based on attraction, you take whatever men do that gives you the ick, and use that as an insult regardless of how the man feels about it. This is emotional insulting. Anything the guy does that makes him unattractive (him being short, poor, ugly, lonely) to you are all prime things to attack him on.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:52 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult No, you're shamed for not giving nice guys a chance, and you're shamed for giving manipulative guys a chance. I don't do the former, but I do the latter, they're completely different. But it is ridiculous for men to beg women give them a chance when from our past experiences we will be shamed for it Who shamed you for giving a good guy a chance? Stop mixing the two up, a lot of women will be manipulated into having sex with an unattractive guy, and instead of admitting that they got played, they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:48 PM
5	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. Men get rejected for being virgins all the time, very often the ick is very visible on a woman's face when she learns that you're a virgin during dating. This isn't just a "We're only saying it to hurt you! We don't really believe it!" situation, y'all actually get the ick when learning a man is a virgin, and shame him for it in the same way men shame women who sleep around. I think men tend to insult preferences because they want all women to conform to his particular preferences This is men an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:44 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Why do you care though if it's men shaming you for it? Men also shame women for sleeping around, and I don't see that deterring any woman from sleeping around. The women who do want casual sex do it, and those who don't, don't. Like, why us it so wrong that I want to date a man i want to have sex with, who i get along with and who is kind to me? That's all women hon, actually, all human beings. You don't have to explain to me why you don't want to date unattractive nice guys, I perfectly underst…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:39 PM
5	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. Nobody should be judged based on their preferences. It's perfectly okay for a woman to want a rich and handsome man without being called a gold-digger. It's perfectly okay for a man to want a woman with a low N count too without being shamed for it. All human beings are entitled to their preferences, none are invalid, not even the racist ones.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:28 PM
6	It is not necessary to use intellectualism to reject people you find repulsive. I think OP's point is unique is because women, unlike men, virtue-signal about not having the standards in men that they'll then insult men for not meeting. For example, women will say that they don't care about body count/sexual history, and then use the word virgin as an insult. Or women will say they don't care about height in men, but then use the word short as an insult. Or women will say they don't care about a man being rich, but then use the word broke as an insult. Men do not claim to n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:25 PM
2	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men No, the point of the thread was to tell women not to sleep with conservative men that they're attracted to. Unattractive men never get considered for sex at all (at least, not without manipulation or some other external factor), so it would be redundant to tell a woman not to sleep with a man she isn't attracted to. Those women want to make being a conservative an ick by itself, that ruins a guy's overall attractiveness. Since this is not natural, they need to vocalize it with threads and remind…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:19 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Genuine question, from your POV, who shames women for rejecting men that you deem unattractive? Is it men, other women? If it's men, they why do you care about what men think? If it's other women, can you think of concrete examples of other women telling you to date unattractive men if they're nice? You being a teen the last time you gave someone a chance without manipulation by the male adds to my point. But we are expected to give every man who shows interest in us a chance based on the possib…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:17 PM
2	There’s defiantly an expectation that unattractive men stay asexual/aromantic worker drone by women I'll give you an example, I'm exactly the type of guy OP mentioned. Grew up in a very religious and traditional household with a loving father who was big on bluepilled beliefs. Went through the same thing with being afraid of coming off as a creep to women, bothering them when they don't want to be approached, or angering them by approaching/flirting in the event they already have a boyfriend. It took a year to get over this. This is a case of empathy backfiring on good men. If you're a man but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:00 PM
3	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men There won't be any correction, women will still continue demanding more from most men, while the percentage of men that can sleep around (the Chads) shrinks. Inflation will catch up to even good looking guys one day, and they're gonna regret playing a role in making things as bad as they are now with the hoeflation situation.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:51 PM
1	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Whose reality, your own? I don't dispute that last part of your comment, certainly I always see bluepilled millennial men insist that body count shouldn't matter. Should or shouldn't is irrelevant to nature though. How old is your man?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:47 PM
1	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men The leverage here is women taking advantage of this imbalance. Go on the 2 X chromosome subreddit right now, and any thread of women saying not to give sex to conservative men is a case of this leverage being used. True about the hormonal fact. Most humans cannot fight their biology, men are fighting a losing battle, and I hope that if we lose the war, we don't forcibly return things to how they were before the 20th century.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:43 PM
1	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? If you want to change your argument from "Men don't care about body count in a woman when considering her for an LTR" to "Women can still find high quality partners with a high body count", then that's perfectly fine with me. The latter is definitely possible if the woman is beautiful enough to make up for her N count which brings her down. In essence, sexually successful men don't generally care as much about women's sexual history as sexually unsuccessful men do. Again, this is wrong, and will…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:38 PM
1	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men It's far broader than that. No it's not. Again, these types of remarks scream millennial or gen X to me, what's your age range? Listen friend, you grew up in a different era, before the advent of OLD and social media, things are much different right now than they were back in your era. Women have more options now, and the average woman doesn't want to settle with the average man because she's not sexually attracted to him. No access to healthcare and conversation about mental health will change …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:26 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You say being nice is the bare minimum, and yet earlier you admitted to dating manipulative men who aren't nice. Why do you say one thing and do the opposite? Nobody owes anybody anything. Men don't owe women anything, and vice versa. But you can't say that you like nice guys and then keep rejecting them, it's cognitive dissonance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:18 PM
0	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV Yes, and? Baldness isn't a deal-breaker for most women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:16 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. whether or not you’re even competent Competence is good and helps, it does matter. Hard to sustain a "fake it until you make it" model forever. The former can become the latter. No, in the overwhelming majority of cases, the woman succeeds, very rarely does the former become the latter, since men will reject you outright if they're not attracted to you. I looked up Onyeka, she says that she was tricked by an international criminal con artist. Bit of an exceptional case don't you think? Instead y…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:14 PM
2	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV We're talking about the majority of the population here, for both men and women. Outliers exist of course, lots of women get a glow-up in their late 20's or early 30's, and get more sexual attention at that age, but those are exceptions. In general, for the overwhelming majority of women, early 20's is peak attractiveness. Very few exceptions (like a woman being obese in her early 20's and becoming fit in her 30's).	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:59 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult But the nice guys we are talking about aren't the same Of course not, for me, as soon as someone does something manipulative to get into a relationship, they're not a "good or nice guy" anymore. I don't consider the unattractive manipulative men to be nice guys even if that's what they call themselves. Women like nice guys No, you like attractive nice guys*. Unattractive nice guys don't exist sexually to you. If all you have to offer is "not being a jerk" Way to downplay good men. Like god forbi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:57 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult I understand why you'd say that. As the saying goes, unattractive people are completely invisible to society at large. From a female POV, unattractive good men simply don't exist. It's all either attractive men, or unattractive but manipulative men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:48 PM
0	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV Peak attractiveness is defined as the moment of your life when you got the most sexual attention from the opposite gender. It's why we say most women peak at 21-25, that's the age where they're most desired by men. After that their attractiveness naturally decreases. We say men are more attractive at 30 and 35 because that's when they get the most sexual attention from women. You personally not liking baldness has nothing to do with it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:46 PM
2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Yes, and those guys had to pull some manipulation technique or mind game to get those women to be with them. The point isn't that unattractive guys can't get with women, the point is that unattractive good guys can't get with women. Most if not all women that exit a relationship with an unattractive guy will say that they were guilted or manipulated into being with him. Not ugly per se I know what this means.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:40 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. You guys are more concerned about getting fucked It's no secret really, the entire premise of the red pill is that it helps men boost their sexual attraction to the opposite gender. I never said it was morally right. Men also talk about how they want women to extremely desire them. Yes, and unlike men, female yearners actually have a high success rate. Male yearners fail 10 times out of 10. NOTE : When I say female yearners, I'm talking about women who approach men and initiate the dating/relati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:37 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult See, the "guilted by them" is the manipulation that I mentioned. Once again, genuine nice guys never get chances. It's only the manipulative men who do, and they still had to pull some manipulation technique/mind game to get you to give them a chance. Non-manipulative nice guys simply can't reproduce in the modern era like they've always used to historically. Women keep incentivizing men to become worse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:30 PM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. I’ve been the one leading conversations on dates and alot of women also have had that experience. I can give you examples. Yes but you're not the one courting the other person. Leading the conversation by itself is meaningless, the whole reason it has meaning is that if done well, it can make you attractive to someone who wasn't much attracted to you to begin with. Any man dating you is likely already attracted to you, so you never have the burden of leading the conversation to attract someone. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:24 PM
10	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Their fear of appearing shallow, rather than actually being shallow, is quite interesting, because why devote so much time and energy into hiding these standards online instead of questioning yourself why you have them to begin with? You will never get them to admit anything, earlier today I had several woman argue with me about my statement of promiscuity in women giving men the ick. One woman said that only insecure men get the ick, another said that it's hypocritical for men to have the ick, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 05:22 AM
1	how many dating problems (specially for men) would dissapear if the economy was great or at least decent enought? Yes, the economy improves for both men and women now. Women are highly attracted to missing financial stability, so the economy doing better means that women have less need for men or a partner. For thousands of years, most men artificially got a free attraction boost through women not being allowed any financial freedom. Now only rich men get access to that boost. Women still expect the man to make more than her, even though she is now more college-educated than him with greater access to high-…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:59 AM
16	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Or I have a height preference, but it doesn't work in a way men think. What does this even mean, Jesus... Women need to understand that men won't think you're vapid or shallow for having these standards. What really bothers men is when women virtue-signal about not having them online, when everything in reality reveals the opposite. This type of gaslighting is responsible for so much of the gender wars that we're seeing right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:36 AM
6	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men How are mental health, access to healthcare, and being locked out of care responsible for most men being unattractive to women? Most young men cannot get laid or get into relationships because they're unattractive to most young women, so how does shit like access to healthcare help with that exactly? I don't understand how millennials and gen Xers use boomer-tier talking points to explain current dating woes, you are so disconnected from the issues that most young people go through.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:31 AM
9	How Red Pill Alpha guys are worsening the situation for men It goes both ways, a lot of men are also bluepilled specifically because they believe they can get pussy by siding with women on every issue and being anti-men as much as they can. They have that placebo effect on them. Straight men can't form a cohesive group because we're more desperate for sex, and in general, admitting that your redpilled would deprive you of sexual opportunities irl (while claiming to be bluepilled gives you more leeway). This is why we don't see female infighting (say betw…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:26 AM
3	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV The wall is late 20's/early 30's, not 25. The 25 year old former cheerleader would definitely be a prize for the 35 year old man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:01 AM
3	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV The majority of 25 year old men today are single and struggling to get any female attention. 28 and after they finally start to get some attention. Peak is definitely after.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 04:01 AM
1	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV SMV isn't inherently subjective, it's real and can be qualified (your peak is when you garner the most sexual attention from the opposite gender). There's no such thing as a "sexual intrinsic value", something like that doesn't exist for most people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:59 AM
3	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV How so?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:55 AM
6	To end the eternal debate over when men reach peak SMV Kind of sad that older men would prefer a fat or single 21 year old mom over a woman their own age, don't you think... The single moms can be baddies too	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:54 AM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Why are you getting so emotional? Where did I imply otherwise for men? Your friend that I've replied to claimed that women sometimes date men they're not attracted to. I debunked that and now you're claiming women shouldn't be shamed for that as men do the same? Why are you replying to me and not her? No, you're the problem. Have some accountability please.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:42 AM
3	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Yes, their advice is legit, and their newfound self-respect is admirable, many of them refuse to allow men to use them (they condemn casual sex/hook up culture) and only demand strict commitment from high value men, rejecting the whole situationship phenomena so many women are in right now. One problem though... Having standards is good and all, but demanding a top 1% man while you're an average middle-aged woman is like an obese basement dweller demanding a Victoria's Secret model as a wife. It…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 03:37 AM
6	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Female Dating Strategy, was formerly a subreddit here and then moved to another website. It's the most misandrist female forum that I know of (they call all males "scrotes"), and is practically almost entirely women in their mid-to-late 30's and 40's demanding the most insane standards from men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 01:10 AM
2	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? Hard to put them in a certain pill, the FDS women despise both bluepill and redpill men equally. They would be more redpill than bluepill however with how much they hate liberal feminists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:54 AM
20	Are the women who offer Blue pill advice on here just outliers or are they modifying their message to suit their audience? No they're 100% serious. No woman on a forum like FDS would tell you that she's "just antagonizing men", she 100% means it when she demands a 6+ foot man with a 6 figure income and in shape who will be subservient to her, while she's an aging middle-aged woman...	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:42 AM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You're invisible to most men, how can a man find non-r*rd women?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:39 AM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Hard to believe it wouldn't hurt your feelings, when the overwhelming majority of women with high N-counts either lie about it or get super mad when questioned because they know what's coming if they say the real number (being rejected for an LTR). Still though, no sensible man with an iota of emotional intelligence would shame you on the spot for it. It's kind of like a man telling a woman he's a virgin, on the spot she'll pretend like it doesn't matter and that she's cool with it, but later sh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:38 AM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Do you not realize how much of a minority that you are among women? How many women do you reckon are just like you? Most women don't have the same experience or mindset as you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/01/26 12:03 AM
1	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Yes, I see the blue pill, and even morals in general, as a huge handicap. I have purple flair because I actually hate the redpill, I find it immoral and it goes against all the teachings I grew up with. And yet, despite all that, the redpill is still undeniably true and 100% effective. Only natural manipulators since birth and male models can afford to be bluepilled, everybody else has to play the game to pull.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:54 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult I don't want any stranger to even touch me, so I refuse to deal with hookups. Based. Its just baffles me that men are hypocritical enough to be disgusted by woman's "hoe phase" and simultaneously targeting to fuck as many women as possible I know, it sucks, but what do you want us to do? Tell a woman that you're a virgin or only had 1 relationship and she legit gets the ick. Women judge men heavily based on how many women we can sleep around with. Our value comes from our ability to pull accordi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:49 PM
–	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult What revenge fantasy, and who's getting revenge here? This is is objectively true, and I myself am an example of it. There's no revenge here, I myself am disappointed with myself for having to resort to this, disappointed with women for not giving good guys a chance, and disappointed with pretty much every demographic except the top 10% of women (no amount of manipulation would work on them). Everybody loses here except the original unattractive men who've been manipulating women since high scho…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:31 PM
–	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Manipulation won’t help you much unless you’re already attractive. False 1000x. This is the point we're trying to make to you, manipulation is legitimately the only way for most men to get a gf nowadays. All the fucking stupid shit like hot and cold, breadcrumbing, push and pull, etc. I regret all the time I lost believing that manipulation doesn't work, and that one woman, any woman, would give me a chance eventually without me sacrificing my morals with manipulation or stupid mind games. Nope,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:18 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult I wasn't emotional, just baffled by how someone could deny something so obvious. You're 20 and you know better than her, a woman most likely in her 30's or 40's. I was flabbergasted. You are the type of guy to deem women dirty for sex Nope, like I said previously, a woman can have had sex 10,000 times with the same guy and I and 99% of men wouldn't mind at all. But if she hooks up once with 10 different men, then that's a major ick to us. Sex doesn't make you dirty, sleeping around does. I want …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:12 PM
–	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Why keep suffering unnecessarily though because of your morals? Most men are unattractive to most women. Should morals be a death sentence to any man who wants a relationship with a woman? Stealing from a supermarket is a crime, you'll go to prison for it. Manipulating women is not a crime, you'll get tons of sex for it. It's a terrible situation, nobody wants you to date or sleep with unattractive good guys if you don't feel like it, but do not be surprised when unattractive good guys see unatt…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:05 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult I've literally never told a woman that I got an ick from her body count, neither my previous partners nor my female friends (who on average actually have high body counts). Why would any man hurt you/shame you on the spot by telling you he got an ick from your body count? This is why I'm saying you will never know if the man you're with got the ick, since if he's emotionally intelligent, he will actually gauge it on his own without asking directly and then make a decision by himself on it. Wheth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 11:00 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Yes, but what's the problem? I mean, women do the same thing and all. Women literally use the word virgin as the go-to insult to anyone saying anything slightly negative about women. Then calling them hoeless, saying no bitches?, etc. Why are you getting this emotional over it? I don't get emotional over women calling men they disagree with virgins and incels. "standards are too high" Uh no boo, women's standards being high is natural and makes sense. As an average woman, it's in your right to s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:34 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult studies consistently show both men and women prefer partners with low to moderate N counts. This is true for when people settle down. Men being impressed by male sluts is irrelevant, ultimately if women judged men for having high N counts, then that would disincentivize men from sleeping around. Women don't, and to the opposite... whereas a number of women may just be overlooking their promiscuity given other factors. The same way many men may overlook promiscuity in a beautiful woman. I actuall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:20 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Assuming you're not lying, that's exactly what I thought :) Always the women with the low N counts that say they don't mind saying it. Women with high N counts always lie, deflect, or get mad about it, proving my point. Weird, if most men did not care about bodycount, then I wonder why so many women get defensive about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:14 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Lmao, you had to go to men in their 40's on a liberal website to find men who say they don't ask about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:12 PM
-1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult No I'm not, not anymore at least. I've just legitimately never seen an unattractive nice guy ever get a chance, unless he did something manipulative or coercive, at which point he's not a nice guy anymore right?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:08 PM
-1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Well, since you linked a thread, how about I throw one back at you? https://www.old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1oznovz/how_bad_is_it_to_lie_about_your_body_count/ See how not a single woman is telling you to just say the truth? When they lie, they always use a specific formula, men have to figure it out to get at the real number. Dividing by 3 doesn't work anymore. Yeah, tell me you don't interact with women without telling me Lol, lmao even. Ok, what's your N count then?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:07 PM
4	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. It's an attractive quality No it's not, this is what most people are contesting. It's kind of insane really, most human beings are the product of their environment, and so we grow up and follow the beliefs and teachings imprinted into us from a young age. The bluepill being so disgusting and unattractive to the vast majority of women has put so many bluepilled men into a position where their literal biological imperative, aka their only reason for existing biologically (to reproduce and spread t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 10:03 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Who are these "lots of men", and how can you possibly know them? Genuinely, as a woman, how could you possibly know that the man legitimately doesn't get the ick? If he does get it, you won't even know since most guys are nice enough to not drop you immediately over it. Most men are told to just "enjoy her while you still have her, and move on to the next after" when they learn about bop lore. So how are you certain men don't get this ick? don't have the same "ick" you have. Most icks aren't soc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:55 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult If you're 20 then you got time to build it up. And for 2, what is that suppose to prove? Most of the comments I read said yes, and those saying no add caveats. And others "It's pointless because there's no way to verify if she's telling the truth." "Sadly most women are resistant and reluctant to reveal it. I think it speaks VOLUMES." "Most guys are smart enough not to ask, especially if they do care about it. Ignorance is bliss." "You can ask but she's either going to be offended or straight up…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:32 PM
-2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Yes I know, but you didn't give those guys that you weren't initially into a "chance" for free. No, they had to do something to charm you over. Genuine nice guys who don't do manipulation and coercion, but are unattractive, never get chances. Only attractive men, and manipulative unattractive men can get chances and get laid.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:24 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult No I'm not, sometimes women from the start decide they only want a hookup and intentionally choose someone out of their league for the one-off casual sex. Other times, they DO want a relationship with a more attractive male, and present themselves as a hookup in the hopes of changing his mind later. This difference is irrelevant here. You are outright shaming women for having a casual sex I'm not shaming you for anything. Geez, do you see me accusing you of shaming men for being virgins? I know …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:17 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Your SMV is your overall sexual desirability to the opposite gender. It's a concept. Biology doesn't care about promiscuous behavior Evidently it does since most men are disgusted when women drop their hoe phase stories, to the point that many women now lie about their body counts to not be judged by it. The more icks you give men and women, the less your SMV is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:08 PM
-1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Funny how you'll write this and yet you'll still lie about your body count when/if asked about it by a guy that you're interested in. You will never find a man that is okay with any amount of bop lore, he will get the ick from it. But if you're cute enough, he might be willing to overlook it if he doesn't have many other options.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:04 PM
-1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult What do you mean "speak for all men"? I'm not speaking about anybody here, I'm teaching you about male biology. I'm shocked that you honestly don't know this, since I feel like most women would've at least seen some variant of the "When she drops a bit of her bop lore and now you know she isn't the one" meme, but I'm guessing you're a millennial so it's not entirely impossible that you don't know about this. I'll let you in on some canon lore all men go through, but pretty much every young man h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 09:00 PM
2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult many of these little ol' average men lament their inability to pump and dump and treat women like shit True. You want more women to enjoy fucking casually more readily, I personally view promiscuity as unattractive, and view it as such in both men and women. And yet women view promiscuous men as more attractive (sexually successful), and less promiscuous men as undesirable (non-promiscuous/virgins are treated the worst). I'm not a hypocrite.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:55 PM
3	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Who on earth told you these things in a dating context? Are you in some doubt about whether it's ok to hit women? My parents, friends, social media, mainstream media, movies, TV shows, etc. And no, the lesson was "Never hit a woman", not even in self-defense. "No real man ever hits a woman, even if she hits him", as my father taught me. it doesn't appear to be any more successful to me. Have you tried it? It objectively is more successful. If you take any random male, duplicate him, make one fol…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:46 PM
7	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. No, the red pill focuses on both looks and social presence/frame. The guys who hyperfocus on looks are looksmaxxers and blackpillers, and they literally hate on redpillers for implying that women don't only care about looks (though it's most of it). Also, please cut out the "Can I hold a conversation?" crap. Can YOU hold a conservation either? No you can't. You can't possibly understand the burden of leading a conversation properly, since as a woman, you're only on the receiving end of it. But t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:18 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You're debating it from the female POV, when that's irrelevant here. Your problem is the male POV, and since men getting the ick from promiscuity (when considering an LTR) is intrinsic, it's not something up either for debate or for change. At best, you can shame men into ignoring their own instincts and icks, but well, that's an uphill battle for you. I don't have to "accept" that I have a lower "SMV" because it's not true. You don't "accept" or "refuse" anything here, your SMV is strictly deci…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 07:09 PM
7	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. The blue pill is what society teaches men about women, most of us are born blue pilled and grow up with society telling us how we have to be kind to women, respect them, be chivalrous with ladies, protect them and never hit them, be gentle to them, etc, and that if we do all of this, we'll end up with a woman. A lot of men then noticed some other males not doing any of this, and yet still having far more success in getting women. Hence the birth of the red pill. that someone who volunteers with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 06:12 PM
-1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You are complaining though, you're complaining about something that men do in the hope that men stop doing it. Either that or you're trying to imply it doesn't happen at all, in which case, why even bother? I don't actually think a majority of men have a problem with dating women who have lived full lives It's not about what you think. You want to think this because thinking otherwise would be acknowledging that your promiscuous past reduces your SMV, which is a tough pill to swallow. It also im…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 06:03 PM
1	Is 22F too old to have no experience? Having a mature brain when you have kids is objectively beneficial, That is also nonsense. There's no age at which your brain ever "becomes fully mature", and I've seen that age change multiple times in my lifetime (I remember reading that the brain only fully forms at 21, then 23, then 25). Neuroplasticity means that your brain will always be changing. For you to imply that younger adult women are biologically immature due to incomplete matured brains is insane too. A 20 year old woman can easi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 05:51 PM
-2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult but those men have been and will always be irrelevant to me If they're irrelevant then why complain about them so much? For example, if a fat woman complained or shamed men for being too broke, most men would laugh it off or make memes of it, as that fat woman is irrelevant to most men. But you genuinely get upset about the promiscuity shaming done by men, could it be because some of the men that you're attracted to and would want an LTR with will reject you for your sexual history? In that case…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 05:37 PM
5	Making a good income is less impressive the older you get - especially if your goal is to attract young women this is an income that these women would expect themselves and their same aged partners to make once they hit that age Wage gap myth debunked? A good income is not a tool to plug up an age gap for the vast majority of older men It's not, and nobody claims that it is. Attractiveness comes from multiple sources for both men and women. For men, it's your physical looks, your status, your behavior, your accomplishments, AND your money. An ugly 35 y.o. man can't count on a 150k salary to make up for …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 05:20 PM
1	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult Average people still can get sex. Average women yes, but average men? No they can't lol, not without significant effort that borders on servitude. That's the entire point OP is making. It's not your fault though, you say stuff like this because average men just don't exist to you since they're unattractive to you. This doesn't make you a bad person, for instance, I'm a man in my 20's, and to most of us, women in their 40's and 50's are also invisible to us because most of us aren't attracted to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 05:11 PM
-4	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You're a woman, you see an attractive man, he makes your vagina tingle, you sleep with him, but you know he won't stay with you, so you move on. That is your POV. Now look at this from the POV of the attractive male, he knows he can have easy sex on command by 80% of women at any time (though the top 20% of women will refuse casual sex with him because he isn't good enough) and wants to sleep around, and you just happened to be one of the females he will use/enjoy to satisfy his urge. Technicall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 05:05 PM
2	Is 22F too old to have no experience? Your brain being "fully mature" has nothing to do with your fertility. Early 20's has an even lower miscarriage rate, a higher chance of conception, and in general, better chances of having healthier kids overall than late 20's. and when you get to the talk about risks from "geriatric pregnancies" That is scientifically false. An older woman (late 30's) will struggle with conceiving whether she has sperm from a young man or an older one. The explosion of IUI's and IVF's compared to the equivalen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:47 PM
0	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult See, it's this type of gaslighting that is partly responsible for so much of the misogyny that we're seeing online now from the redpill community. All around us, average men see attractive men treat women like shit and still drown in more pussy than they can handle. And then they go online only to see women say shit like "Well, we're not sleeping with you because you're not nice! Not because you're unattractive!". Men can't have a conversation with bluepilled women because they will lie to our f…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:34 PM
–	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult He's completely right for Gen Z at least, we're suffering the brunt of the post hook-up culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:27 PM
19	Most people's dating advice to men is useless, ESPECIALLY advice given by women The men you gave "chances" to were still attractive enough to meet your minimum attractiveness requirement, which is something most men don't meet (the majority of men are unattractive to the majority of women). The advice bluepilled women like you give is geared more towards attractive men who can already get laid and get relationships, but can't hold them down. Very few men have that problem. The biggest problem that the majority of men have is that we're unattractive to the majority of women,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:24 PM
-2	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult The men complaining about how hard it is to get laid aren't the same men who are pumping and dumping you sweetheart, they almost can't get casual sex at all and are therefore completely absent from your life. With that in mind, how could they possibly be actively shaming you for sleeping around? Nobody is promoting unattractive men here, but I'm just curious why you're attacking the men you're not sleeping with with shit that only the men who have slept with you have told you?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:21 PM
6	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Both behavior and looks are part of the red pill, so what are you even talking about here? The redpill says you have to be both physically attractive, and also behave in the same way that a confident and attractive man would. It is simply objectively true that red pill advice works better for the average man (for acquiring both a relationship and/or casual sex) than blue pill advice does. Instead of being angry at the red pill, why aren't you angry at yourself instead for being unattracted to si…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:17 PM
10	The Redpill’s sex obsession at the expense of social competence leads to failure in men. Yes, that's redpill 101. Being able to flirt, hold a conversation, read a room, and having a social life all increase a man's sexual attractiveness, and that's entirely what the redpill is about, increasing men's sexual attractiveness to women. It contradicts the blue pill, which is more about being "kind, gentle, and compassionate" towards women, all things which give women the ick when done by an unattractive man and dries her up quickly. The average man has to be redpilled to land a woman, be…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:10 PM
30	Most people's dating advice to men is useless, ESPECIALLY advice given by women Unattractive men are completely invisible to you, so how could you possibly give advice that takes them into account? u/blacktransjanny is 100% correct, all female dating advice given to men only makes sense once you consider that it's only targeted at men that are already attractive to women. Advice like "Be super nice to her, chase after her, make her your priority" only makes unattractive men even more unattractive if actually followed, which is why it has become a meme that women are awful a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 04:05 PM
-11	Getting laid as a guy shouldn't be this difficult You can't compare the top men who pump and dump women in their young 20's to the average man described in OP's post. The average man struggling to get laid isn't the one doing all those things you mentioned. They shame women for having sex with them. Stop thinking about this collectively. As a woman, you know that you can sleep around, and in turn, if you do, it will decrease your LTR value, but will increase your desirability for men who want casual sex. You can't have both. Your message to OP …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/01/26 03:59 PM