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Yep. So much that adultery was illegal throughout history until very recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 08:16 PM
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Good point. The generation who had social media from middle-school needs to first work out who is appropriate according to social rank before approaching or responding. And they are raised with the belief that mistakes stay on record forever, so they are risk averse. In their circles, it is mostly true that people are unapproachable because it side-steps their usual protocol. It requires more of a performance now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 06:43 PM
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I basically learned every RP tenet about female nature, without articulating it, that a 17 year old boy can. It means, I stopped expecting that love given to women could ever be requited.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 02:00 PM
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You are not alone. About 80% of guys have similar perspectives, but not exactly. If you are a woman truly interested in romance and intimacy for the long term, the advice to you is the same as to these men. Find hobbies/activities where you can hang out with people without expectations and get to learn people in neutral environments. And no, the past is not "swept away", it stays with you into your thirties and will affect your options then.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 01:21 PM
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Eh no. Alphas are a "roller coaster" emotionally. Extroverted and often moody if they are denied attention. They are not agreeable. Betas are introverted and self-conscious, emotionally stable and even repressed. They are conscientious, effective, and agreeable and self-sacrificing to a fault. I doubt there is any relevant science behind type A/B.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:34 PM
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Doesn't seem equivalent here: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ling%20Ling
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 10:36 AM
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Another thing feminists should understand is that every supposed tyrant man in history was not exactly an incel; their energy and confidence was getting pumped up by harems of voluntary women who were blinded by his power and resources. In the end, the men were fighting to keep this privilege. Incels don't care because they don't stand to lose anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 12:19 PM
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Firstly. Every privilege is someone else's obligation, so no rights were "taken away". Because men were the ones sacrificing their lives, they had the biggest stake in civilizations. Therefore, societies were mainly concerns of men. Women were offered protection and safety, but they were free to leave if they had better offers. A better way is to look at men like the avatars of women that they send out in the world to fight and collect stuff. Human history is about men fighting for resources and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 12:01 PM
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Ok, shitty PPE is sad, but it's not affecting women more than men. The main problem there is that health care workers spread the virus, and the main victims are older colleagues and elderly patients or family members. There is no evidence that children transmit it. The genetic study from Iceland concluded that not one (of thousands) of cases was caused by a child, although some children contracted it. There are similar results from studies in France. Schools in Sweden have been open throughout t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 10:18 AM
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Eh, no. Early on, risk jobs were taxi drivers, public transport, clerks, and these are mainly men. This is obvious from the statistics. In health care, only relatively young nurses/doctors would be put at risk now, and the protection is much better. The health care workers who died in Italy were older, primarily men as I understand it, and contracted it early when it was poorly understood. It's true now that white collars work from home more easily. It's also true that the lock-downs affect cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:26 AM
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The shame on walk-out fathers is real, but they don't care since they still get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:04 AM
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People dying from covid are 80+ and most of them are women, but men die at a proportionally higher rate still. The illness affects men much worse at all ages though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 11:19 AM
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Yes, they are hunting for relationships/commitment. It doesn't matter to them that you "next them".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:45 AM
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The only female dating advice that I think works is: Looksmaxx - diet, exercise ... Therapy Dating is easy for women, but they struggle with being accountable for their own decisions. That's why they need to improve their judgement and introspection and just learn more about themselves and people in general. If FDS in anyway sounds meaningful to you, then therapy is probably the best way forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:37 AM
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No. It's not parents and it has nothing to do with age. All women and girls will tell their guy friends to be nice. Sisters and cousins will tell their siblings to be nice. "Nice", from the perspective of a woman, means easily manipulable and that is how they envision an ideal male. Women want to be surrounded by simps because that makes their world safe and predictable. They have no interest in males in their surrounding being sexy or breedable. "Sexy" to a woman means "wild and powerful". Sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 08:55 AM
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...well, yeah, given that it apparently owes the individual woman something for sticking around to raise his offspring. Yes. What would make a real difference is leaving single mothers on their own financially, and shaming the shit out of them in culture and public discourse. They are not heroes, they are sluts with horrible judgment. I'm serious. Everything would change.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 08:36 AM
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There is no "right thing" or "wrong thing". There are only incentives and consequences, and these have changed over the last decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 08:32 AM
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Eh, no. Alpha can choose who to fuck and who to commit to. Beta can not choose and does not fuck unless he gets chosen for commitment. Whore is available for sex for alphas, but generally can not get commitment from them. Otherwise she can choose freely. Madonna is not available for sex, but can choose anyone for sex or commitment. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 08:26 PM
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The mother might have smoked or drank, had bad diet, or malnurished him. There are other random environmental factors. Allergies or illness causing poor nutrition uptake during growth spurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 10:22 AM
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The point is that it's not their responsibility. It's on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 08:53 AM
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But let's be honest, it reflects more about insecurity of guys who are "missing out" on young love/romance. This is some sort of version of Godwin's law. The longer a debate with a woman progresses, the probability that she accuses the opponent of being an incel approaches one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/20 08:37 AM
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I suspect most alphas have no clue what's going on. On a middle-school playground, you will see the division. The betas for some reason choose to simp for the alphas. It might be due to height, looks, ball game skills, whatever. It's involuntary. Women recognize alphas primarily through their confidence, but other guys help build that confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 09:55 PM
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At 21 you're not really qualified to give sharp advice. Your taste in men will probably change, but it's not a big problem either way. It's what happens between 20 and 30 that matters. Diet-skincare-maxxing accelerates as she closes in on 30-35, and her taste in men changes. Even strikingly attractive forever-single women in their thirties (and late thirties) are in uncomfortable seats because they become overwhelmed by relationships, especially if they go for experienced men, or awkward virgina…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:32 PM
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Alphas are created because they are surrounded by self-sacrificing betas who are afraid of conflict and confrontation. This advice is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 07:12 PM
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It's not a need that stems from the man; it's a responsibility/challenge that falls on him. Women expect men to show their "social skills" by letting him entertain them. If there are multiple men in a setting with women, the man who gets laughs is the alpha. This doesn't happen so much without women. Men can't opt out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:58 PM
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If we take as given that men nowadays will not establish themselves and be confident enough before their thirties, there are two options with good outcomes for women; 1. prolong their innocent teenage-phase into their thirties by being chaste and diet-skincare-spf-yoga-maxxing, 2. Aim to marry men ~10 years older All men and women became bitter and jaded through their experiences, because they just happened to stumble into them without deliberate planning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:49 PM
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From my perspective now, it's not so obvious. Many met before their careers took off. Degrees don't carry much status on their own, and most generic degrees now don't lead to particularly high status jobs. And many high-status degrees don't lead to high paying jobs. But the people are mostly on the same level intellectually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:39 PM
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In this case, he could weather some months between jobs if needed, and she wouldn't break up the family. But other cases might exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:32 PM
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This is pretty much my experience. Men take their work seriously, like life-and-death. They see it as a duty to be performed, and they value themselves by their work. If they lose their job, it's like they lose their will to live. If they aren't offered this sort of work-environment, they will slack. Women consider their jobs as hobbies. They work because they want to work, and only with things they like. It is outcome independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 03:12 PM
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The point is that men are expected to "control the mood" in one-on-one situations, and women be passive. This by far the most common situation. The guy is responsible for making it "fun". Right or wrong, but men must confront that they are valued based on their ability to uplift and change the mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 02:59 PM
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They have relationships, they just don't show them on social media unless they know the vast majority of their followers are women. If their followers are men, they lose too many followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 02:41 PM
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Top 20% is one out of five. Bottom 50% is one out of two. Of course this happens. (It's not 20/80 of all people on earth, it's 80/20 from the perspective of each woman in her environment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 01:29 PM
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Furthermore, high value men in my observation are quite happy with women who would be low-value as men. Short stature with low-effort jobs and a lot of free time. Ambition is a complete non-issue, as long as she is pretty, a good mother, and doesn't get fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 01:05 PM
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I'm just scanning through the people I know who married. Mainly older people, or parents of friends. Many of these women were unbearable, and some of the men were absolute top in society in status and power. Some of the older men went a bit insane, and some of the women were straight up draining. The men I know now can't have standards. They take what they can get, but they don't have much status or power yet. If they can attract something prettier, they do, but that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 01:00 PM
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Who do women never show on their profiles because they lose their follower count (the new form of net worth)? Their boyfriends. No, most followers to these women on instagram are likely men, and only because they believe the woman is single. At least for a type of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 11:48 AM
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I foresee us going the Japan route and getting married later and later and later in life to amount good self sustaining careers, possibly the "marriage mindset" being largely wiped out of girls through K-12 education It seems a problem in Japan/Korea is that men who are not on track in good-provider careers don't see themselves as marriage material, and forego dating altogether. They reject themselves before trying. In the west, average guys exhaust themselves by being rejected in their twenties…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 09:44 AM
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Would you say a man who lets a woman "cuck" him is insecure or secure? What if she says "I will either cuck you or leave you".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 08:52 AM
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I can't imagine the world where your experiences would lead you to believe this. It sounds more like fantasy or self-elevation from women. But I'm open to having my view changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 08:43 AM
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These streamers are rare among women, but this quality is called "bright and uplifting" personality. The first threshold is to have enough humour to understand jokes and knowing when to laugh. There are even men who at fail this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 08:39 AM
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c_dolly might be right. Maybe you should just give up and learn to cope with being alone. Men can do it. Why wouldn't a woman be able to?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 08:07 AM
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Interesting. In your mind, what does it mean for a guy to be insecure? For example, is he insecure if he is opposed to cheating? What signs do you look for to be certain the guy is secure?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 06:17 PM
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Today's boomer aunties share pictures of their grand-children. When this generation grows old, they'll be sharing tinder screenshots of the chad ons they had before the wall. Vomit inducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 04:35 PM
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Of course, you're right. How could I have missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:18 PM
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Then show what you've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 02:09 PM
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No, this never happens. This whole post explains what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:57 PM
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How do you know this? We don't have records from average joes at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:55 PM
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No. Look at movies/ads/pictures/etc from the 50s-60s-70s-80s-90s and you'll see that the standards for men have been rising. Standards are mostly the same for women. Look at Sean Connery's dad-bod 007 at age at 32. Compare with Daniel Craig's ripped 007 at age 38. Some other comparisons are comical. Spartacus (1960) with modern movies. Look at Tom Cruise in Cocktail (1988). He's the same height as his love interest, and slim with no shoulders or arms. It wouldn't be believable today.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:45 PM
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Correct. A woman starts out with maximum value. She can only decide how quickly it decreases.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:20 PM
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n-count matters
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:16 PM
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but guys want indicators of that raw physical No, what she did in the past stains her forever (to put it figuratively.) Guys don't mind waiting for a girl who's always been "modest". If she let herself be spoiled in the past however, guys can not think of her as "worth" waiting for. Women might cringe over these words "stains", "pure", "spoiled" but it is the most accurate way of describing how guys feel instinctively. It is crystal clear to guys. Women, please stop pretending you don't understa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/20 01:10 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:25 PM
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Sexual abuse (even accidentally finding porn) at a young age can turn young boys gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:20 PM
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I share your experience, but it is not a counter argument. People with this attitude existed 20 years ago as well, it's just that you didn't have to deal with it, and the bar was set slightly lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 09:57 PM
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Degrees in technology haven't changed much in 50 years, other than the content of the courses. When they graduated, they were equally coddled, and often times had even less practical skills than today's kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 09:46 PM
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Your stats are probably accurate. In some cases, depending on what you count as inflation, it's much worse. Try measuring "work-hours per house" and see how comically worse off people today are. But this shouldn't be the reason young men are having less sex. You don't need to buy a house to have your first milestones with the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 09:39 PM
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... that is saying in a way that they "deserve" someone who looks better than that person. They may think so, but people can't decide for themselves what they deserve. Neither can they decide for others what they deserve. And what they get may not be fair. Claiming you "deserve" something is almost like revealing you're emotionally a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 09:24 PM
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Same as I get a disgust-reflex for high n-count, I get something similar for plastic surgery, specifically nose and chin (I don't care so much about the rest of the body.) Logically, I would assume it has to do with breeding, but it feels instinctual. The verb "deserve" doesn't feel meaningful in relationships - who is to say what someone deserves? Two people need to agree they like/love each other, no third party/moral authority can affect that. But there are other agreements that can be made b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 08:55 PM
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No one has ever died of starvation with that much fat because "that's their bodytype". Both these pictures show that they're not exercising nearly enough, or eating incorrectly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:32 PM
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The weight doesn't matter, only shape matters. With more muscles, the fat will come off, but weight increases initially. I'm not a personal trainer or nutritionist (?), but this is basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:18 PM
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They are both meaningless hypotheticals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:11 PM
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The first example is not half bad, even though she's clearly chubby. Definitely not "maxxing" anything. The second example is too fat. Don't worry about the weight, she still needs more diet and exercise. She's likely not exercising enough, or badly/incorrectly, and eating the wrong things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 04:10 PM
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The question is more like "what is 3423/0?" and then insisting that anything but a number is wrong. The situation you're describing might not be impossible, but it is "unbelievable". There are too many fat women to fill up the sampling space. Then all the women who are naturally thin, but don't work out. Any young woman with a healthy diet who exercises will have a fantastic body. To place below half of all overweight women, she would need a truly horrible face without teeth, and partly balding …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 03:46 PM
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Meaningless hypothetical. Would his family be more proud if he won the nobel prize? Really? Ok, let's jump off the bridge.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 03:33 PM
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Voice therapy and singing. Some women have voices that hit the right buttons, and they convey so much personality in their voices. Dancing. Makes her more comfortable and relaxed. Better posture, graceful movements. Adapt makeup and fashion to her looks, not trying to adapt look to current trends if it won't work. Therapy. Treat old traumas. There is no "objectively ugly" and therefore "maxxing" doesn't exist. Basicly, she has to be more precise by using these things above target guys she has a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 03:19 PM
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I value beauty through genetics higher than beauty through effort. For example, beauty through surgery doesn't count. However, I am beautiful, and so my partner must be equally beautiful. The conflict in the OP is this: If I settle for someone who is genetically less beautiful than I, must she compensate through effort? More diet and exercise, more sex and enthusiasm, more effort in everything, to compensate for the sacrifice I made to be with her. We expect most guys to recognize the moral shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 12:35 PM
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They're not only negative but they're inconsistent too. They are not inconsistent? Think about it again for a bit. This is a really good example of the interpretations of a depressed person. No? Topic of this post is still "what might be described as depression, when it is caused primarily by lack of ..." Your response, even at this stage of the discussion: "that sounds like depression." What is being explained to you is that men who can't get women exhibit these symptoms. If there is a cure, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 11:47 AM
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What you answer to a woman depends on the woman and why she is asking. If she wants to confirm you are brave enough to voice independent opinions, you can not simply say "yes" and expect her to feel any sort of validation or satisfaction. She will experience disappointment. In her mind, there is no doubt you find her attractive, and it's a meaningless question. The only question in her mind is if you are confident enough to be with her. Negging was discovered and written about before "The Game",…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 11:15 AM
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Negging shouldn't happen in relationships. Either way, it is not the point. The exact form isn't important. You're correct that it might be backhanded compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 11:07 AM
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I don't think that's how negging works. Negging is more about the guy displaying indifference so she sees he's not a simp. She will challenge but it's not about validation, rather she is trying to break his frame. When a high self-esteem woman asks "do you think I'm pretty?" she's not seeking validation, she wants assurance that you'll be honest and not crumble down into a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 09:10 PM
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Negging only works on women with very high self-esteem. These women are not on this sub, or even reddit. Idiots reading PUA notes, and then go out trying to insult the "Beckys" in the back of their class is of course dumb. But that's not what negging is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 07:50 PM
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The effective neg would be more like a casual "new eyeshadow?" without being invested in the response. If it's good/bad is determined entirely by the delivery and how you handle the response. You have to calibrate based on her insecurities. The point is not to make her insecure, but to demonstrate that you're not seeking her validation by removing "compliments" from everywhere it isn't justified. It's subtle. "trying a new eyeshadow?" would be too harsh for 95% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:39 PM
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You have never experienced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:17 PM
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Negging applies to top 10% of women who also know they are top 10%. They only ever experience simping and supplication, so it feels refreshing and disarming for them to know that a man isn't seeking her validation. She is free to say what she thinks without destroying him. The act of negging means signaling that you would be unaffected by insults from her, for example. Negging directed to other women is just damaging because they have insecurities to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 05:16 PM
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If women came right out and said, you need 'X' 'Y' and 'Z' to date me This reason it can't work is that a woman could never make such a commitment. When someone with 'Z+1' comes along, she monkey branches.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:49 AM
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It is not. Definition of society is to align everyone's desires towards common goals that everyone benefits from. "Individual selfish desires" don't make sense in situations where we both win or lose at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:44 AM
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It seems you are aware, to some extent, that the caricature and hyperbole is part of the medium. Without it there would be little comedic value. In order to get any valuable insights from these columns, you have to read between the lines and not get triggered. And also understand the sampling bias ...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:39 AM
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She’s a cunt hoe slut for chad only!!! She only gets wet for 6’10 chads with jaws that can cut gLASS. Said no one ever, but the sentiment behind this is accurate. It's also inevitable and fair that men are wary about women who carelessly sleep with "chads" (whatever that means to her.) What is actually being said here: "the men who know what I am exclude me. Therefore I am entitled to lie."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 11:29 AM
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Ok. You say false, I say true. Btw, confidence and anxiety are not really the problems here. There might be cases like that, but it's not what we're discussing here. I think you are projecting the image of a shut-in woman onto lonely men. "Getting out more" to a guy means essentially "go talk to women", not to leaving the house. These guys spend their days with their hobbies or sports, which is how they distract themselves. These activities are social, there just aren't any women there. There mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 10:49 AM
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This isn't advice I have received, but heard and read. Telling men to "get out more" is equivalent to saying "it's all in your head". The core of this post is that the reason for their depression is that they can't get into relationships. This in turn might be due to trauma/mental blocks/whatever, but it might also be that they're just unattractive. I don't know what they should say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 09:32 PM
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The generally accepted response to downtrodden and lonely men is "to begin with, stop worrying about relationships. keep thoughts positive and focus on doing things. work on yourself and take small steps. one day maybe a relationship, but don't count on it." and so on. The aim is always to make them accept their current circumstances. "get out more" wouldn't make sense as advice from example a therapist, and telling this to a man is almost ignorant of the circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:05 PM
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Most accurate answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 01:28 PM
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When you tie your self worth to external validation This is actually an involuntary and a natural mechanism. People who are expelled from society sort of wander off and self-die, unless they find alternative societies. Note that women are almost never at risk of being expelled in this way, so they have a very abstract understanding of it. The defacto intention of "when you tie your self worth ... external ..." is to make (mostly women) rationalize their validation such that they feel independent…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 01:04 PM
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People with mental illness in relationships often say things like "I don't understand how she puts up with me", "she saved me" or "what would I do without her". From what I see/hear, single men with depression have a particular type of depression like "persistent lack of enthusiasm and energy". They are not bipolar, or have ups/down, manic phases, or get "dramatically suicidal". I realize I might not be using technical terms. I don't know of any forever-single man that is not like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:49 AM
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I don't understand this. Who would say this and why? Thanks. No one says this to women, but it is the standard response to men. The reason is that depressed men have no chance, and trying will reinforce their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:33 AM
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There is no demand, most of them don't care and don't want it. You have no way of knowing that there is no demand. Such places exist, and a pizzeria there would be as viable as a Chinese take out here, but it won't happen because it's a weird proposition for a western chef to move there, learn Chinese, and start a restaurant. (but you're right that it's easier in cosmopolitan mega cities.) There are fake western restaurants there, so not only is there demand, there is also fascination. But it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 11:00 PM
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Restating like this: if you thoroughly convince me that there is no way for me to win in real life, then it is entirely rational for me to value video game money higher than real world currency. Competition in real life then is not going to motivate minimal-effort men to do anything for you. You have to remove the assumption that men have any aspirations, and then reevaluate what society would be like. If enough men start on the minimal-effort plan, society eventually goes derelict.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:46 AM
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I agree they are more aspirational, but not by taking risks. Rather, they are always on the lookout for the correct protocol to follow for guaranteed rewards. "What do you want me to do?" rather than "this is what I think and I'm going to convince you why I'm right".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:12 AM
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Capitalism ensures that there will always be a man willing to perform these services, cheaply and well-done. Just as it does now. The term you're looking for is competitive market and it states that when there are many suppliers, the market will favor the those with the lowest price/best quality. It doesn't ensure that there will be any particular number of actors providing any particular service. This is clear by looking at places around the world where there are no suppliers. For example, Amer…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 09:04 AM
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This was also true for many millennials. There is a risk of becoming bb at 30+ to quite low-value women if you don't expose yourself to wider social circles. BB unfolding in real life is sad. Watching a thoroughly BP 30+ PhD awkwardly taking selfies during a saturday-with-guys to send to his LV/post-CC woman so she knows he is thinking of her. Some of the hard work might have been better invested in social acuity and charm instead. But that's even harder for gen Z now ...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 03:15 PM
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My observations about early gen Z is they are risk-averse. In social situations, they either need a "protocol" or they become stifled. Being publicly shamed is a worse circumstance for gen Z than for millennials, who were spontaneous and more jackass-esque. Quite a bit more. I suspect most social negotiations happen in text and over social media, and anyone unwanted is summarily ghosted. This trains them to not take risks, and to lurk until the right moment or when asked upon. They miss out on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 02:47 PM
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Ok. I take it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:17 PM
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How did you establish the causality that {porn, vidya and laziness} causes the problem, and is not a consequence of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:15 PM
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"Ok boomer"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 01:13 PM
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The discussion is about whether prehistoric childless men were also sexless. I'm saying probably not because of "prostitution". The ratio of prehistoric sexless men is probably better than 1/17. I absolutely do not think it's a human right to have unwilling mastbtory aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:50 PM
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Wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 12:34 PM
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Not only that, more sex partners demonstrates bad judgment and a poor understanding of how life works. Disgust is part of it, but it is also signalling some sort of deficiency in understanding consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 11:43 AM
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As a young woman, I feel deeply uncomfortable with male sexuality. Time to grow up. 21 and obviously female so this is something I haven’t been able to get over with ... ... Everywhere I go, no matter how non-revealing I am, guys stare at me. These are called "humble brags", restated as claims to victim-hood. I literally heard a 12-14 year old girl talking to her older sister about instagram posts, wondering (with a hopeful voice) "what if I get stalkers? I don't want stalkers, do I?" essentiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:54 AM
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How often does this happen to women on this sub? Or women on reddit? There is an overall problem that the sample of women on this sub are not really representative of the type that men on the sub refer to. Men on the sub argue against promiscuous women, with the af/bb and 80/20 arguments. Women on the sub defend themselves by saying that "women are not that slutty!" and "men are abusive and deserve to be alone!". But the men on the sub are not abusive, and the women on the sub do not represent t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 10:45 AM
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There will always be at least one man out there selling shit Only works for standardized stuff; not for homes, houses, building, and anything of that type. Bc food is mass produced Almost all food you eat is touched by human hands at some point, no the least fast food. we're paying you, and again, if you won't someone else will. You have no way of verifying what you get in return. Scamming car shops is a good example of this. Implying men have ever done This is the purpose of the police? almost …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 09:31 AM
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What does "planned manipulation and deceit" by a man look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 09:21 AM
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Domestic abuse was not part of the original comment. I don't believe 15k-50k US women are trafficked, but I can believe women are trafficked into the US. The point is that a van isn't going to randomly stop on the street and pull you in.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 09:19 AM
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We can view it like this. In my work, I aim to keep deadlines. If my clients or colleagues are cavalier about keeping their's, I naturally slide on my deadlines to them. If take it further, in the first meeting of a, say a new colleague, I assume the best. Likewise, talking to builders, craftsmen, painters, bakers, "candlestickmakers" the initial assumption is always that they have the best possible character. In other words, I extend a loan of confidence to them, and I get a claim of honest eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 08:47 AM
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Never seen or heard of beta men conducting "planned manipulation and deceit".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 08:20 AM
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Young sexless men turn into old sexless men. We won't see what the studies say until someone makes them in about ten years, when today's young incels are expected to form families.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:50 AM
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during primitive times something like 1 in 17 men had children ... that have living ancestors. It is likely that low-tier men shared women for sex (what we might today call prostitution). She fucks 10 men per week but has one child per 12 months. That makes 1/17 a likely outcome. The men, even the slaves, weren't sexless. Also, there are very recent mass-graves with infants, which are suspected to be out-of-wedlock newborns. Those fathers weren't sexless, but childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:42 AM
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Life doesn’t owe you shit To be fair, society doesn't function without all the implicit behavioral contracts. In so far as you have claims on society, you have debts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:26 AM
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I see hideous men everyday with girlfriends/wives. Congratulations on an anecdote, but we do not share your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:12 AM
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Women worry about getting raped, murdered, kidnapped, sex trafficked, beaten, etc. No well functioning woman worries about these things. The probability of a western woman getting sex trafficked is less than one in a million.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:05 AM
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Men often harm women emotionally and psychologically, usually through very thought-out and planned manipulation and deceit. This is "not a thing". Sounds like you are in need of therapy, or whatever, to work out deep trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 06:01 AM
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Young sexless men still have some hope. The problem now is that young sexless men turn into old sexless men, and each (not young) sexless man essentially withdraws from the productive capacity of a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:43 AM
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It probably won't be a "rebellion" by incels. We are losing the safety and cohesion that results when society has a shared common goal, and it will get worse. Why should I care about charging you fair prices, making honest effort, repairing your cars and roads, the hygiene of your food, the privacy of your cloud storage, responding to your emergency calls, stopping your robbers and rapists. If nothing about your existence benefits me, every honest effort for you is a waste. What results is an en…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:36 AM
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Slaves escaped, rebelled, were punished and beaten. Slaves never benefited from their labor. Every rebellion ever were men that fought.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:09 AM
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Women have always been fully invested in whatever society they lived. Invested means your children are dependent on the safety and resources in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 05:03 AM
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There is nothing men can do about 80/20. When one man enters the 20, another man must leave it,
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/20 04:58 AM
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It has been proven that 80% of organisms in any given species reproduce This isn't provable, but it might have been observed as a statistic. A rough number has been found for humans based on genetics, I don't know it. Matches on tinder don't lead to reproduction, and tinder is based on pictures/looks. Maybe behaviours learned online influences real life? Historically, the number might have been better than 20% (even 60%?) but it's not looking great going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 10:54 PM
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78% of women on tinder only liked 20% of men but we never take into account the fact that the gebder ratio In case someone hasn't mentioned it: women on tinder only see male profiles, and men only see female profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 10:31 PM
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As I understand it, 200 matches means you did 200 right swipes. What you are proposing is for these men to only swipe right on 10%, making it easier for you to make your dick appointment. This will reduce average men's match rates by 90%, at which point it would be meaningless for them. Tinder could solve it by only allowing 10 right swipes per day. It would reduce average female matches down to a manageable number, but it also means the 80% of men can't even play numbers at the point. No, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 09:48 PM
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The argument is that a growing proportion of men are sexless and choose to contribute as little as possible to society, which is taken as a detriment to society. You're not required to be convinced of anything, but what you are writing seems in agreement with the original argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:57 PM
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If you understand the topic and what you are writing, it means you would let men have an auction. Highest bidder gets to fuck and marry you. What you are actually thinking is: "if Brad Pitt would simp for me, it would mean he actually wants me and that would be great news!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:48 PM
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Yep, women can not imagine what the normal male experience is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:42 PM
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Because of biological differences men have a lower bar for who they find attractive than women. No, it's also because of current circumstances. Today, women have their desperate phase compressed to the age 35-40, when they are more desperate for relationships, children and sex than men. Above 40, the window of opportunity is mostly closed for women. It might be a new phenomenon, but the shame and stigma around new single mothers older than 35 is slowly becoming a real thing. It reveals too much …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/20 08:26 PM
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Certainly, but I don't think these women "fall" for anything. Rather, they are complicit in the experience/fantasy/role-play. The retrospective story they tell themselves, and use to seek affirmation, is a way of relieving themselves from shame and guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 08:35 PM
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The opposite is more common. It is some one else who makes you believe you have value. It is true however that women are attracted to self confidence, if that's is what you're actually thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:19 PM
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Less porn and fapping.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:12 PM
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Yup, that's what happens. A van stops by the sidewalk and pulls you in where you get used as a fleshlight over and over again. Then thrown back on the street. Zero awareness. Zero accountability. Just begging for sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:09 PM
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As a man, it is so easy to size up other men and determine how loving/faithful partners they would make. Either most women are completely deficient, or it is just as easy for them. Instead, women let themselves be "used" by chad over and over again, pretending to believe it'll turn into commitment and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 05:06 PM
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It is not validating to most women The only reason tinder sex happens is because it is validating for the women. The exact percentage of women (few/many/most) that participates is not relevant. It is freely available to those who want it, and tinder wouldn't exist without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 04:51 PM
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In this scenario, your rights are equivalent to a foreigner with permanent residency in a well functioning western economy. This is defacto a very attractive position to be in. You can also compare to ethnic Chinese in Indonesia or Malaysia where they prefer to stay as a persecuted minority, rather than in communist China. They are still wealthier than ethnic Malay or Indonesians.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 10:55 AM
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The point is that society makes sure your rights are someone else's obligations. Society both gives and takes freedoms. We can argue about how good a particular society is, but when a society collapses all obligations become voluntary, which effectively means no rights for anyone. No, western society ca 1900 was very far from chaotic, tribal, or lawless. That should be clear to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 09:56 AM
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It is a rational position if you believe you will be among the winners in the chaos that comes when civil society ends, but I don't understand how a woman can believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 08:48 AM
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The OP question might almost be restated as "would you rather be born in Afghanistan or Iran?" Without a civil society, your food and shelter is as reliable as your ability to defend it. This is what makes women dependent on men in these environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 08:41 AM
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All you need to understand to resolve this puzzle is: men only want to raise their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 10:26 PM
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Because you need food and shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 09:35 PM
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What about this: you are contagious with a virus. It does not affect you, but might kill some elderly people you come in contact with. Are you willing to go into house arrest? It turns out most people around the world are. I was surprised about this. Everyone answering "FUCK NO" to this either: does not comprehend the question, particularly what "convinced it would save society" means. have not thought much about it at all (Hint: societal collapse means no food, no water, no electricity, no sewa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/20 09:29 PM
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It's not the first time I hear women be this honest and self-aware. I have no problem believing it. The alpha/beta dichotomy is a cartoon, and of course there is nuance in reality. For example, a chad whose life has been sheltered can struggle badly to maintain frame when he faces real opposition or misfortune. Women lose attraction instantly. Ironically, men in beta circumstances can develop much stronger mental immune systems, and just continue chugging along even though they're moments from d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 04:08 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:48 PM
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Obviously, we have to allow the term "bad boy" or "chad/tyrone" to be adaptible to context. Otherwise, we have to paint one very concrete image of what every woman everywhere must find attractive. There is some circular logic, but the rp principles at play are: women are not attracted to the men they claim to be attracted to there is always the bp cohort, who have idealised and fairytale image of women. These men have high trust in women. The concrete realization of this will look different depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 03:44 PM
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All that's required for the 20/80 (or 20/60) rule to be true is that; among guys who have at least one sex partner in one year, the average number of partners is 3-4. average women need only one new partner Each of these guys with more than two partners operate soft harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 01:42 PM
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The OP is saying UMC women will date up, cheat, and favor whatever chad looks like in her eyes. The counter argument is "there are no UMC drug dealers" (eh). You are agreeing with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 01:20 PM
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Sometimes, females I could be friends with get stuck in a loop where they try to explain in roundabout ways why I'm "unworthy". Conversations drift into areas where they hope to point to some deficiency. They pick random things and become argumentative with no possible beneficial outcome. I think this happens when they think I should be simping more, or something like that. I'm not sure. Only a few women I've met were funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 08:39 AM
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There is no inherent difference between playing games and rebuilding car engines. They are hobbies, neither are productive, although it might be competitive. Guys can have any hobbies they like. The point is that women who want to be valued for their hobbies/interests alone defacto compete with guys, and almost all women find it easier to be valued for their looks/sexiness. This is plainly obvious also among gamers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 08:09 AM
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Average height increase over the last 100-250 years is most likely due to medicine and nutrition. Average height among koreans/japanese is increasing much faster than can be explained by genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 07:58 AM
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To be fair, the relative number of women on tinder is small. Women who are shy, have anxiety, or "don't feel sexy" will feel uncomfortable with tinder and like apps. They would panic if they got sent the typical tinder chat transcript. The OP is still wrong, however. There are men for which some of these women are 9s and 10s, and the women know it, but it doesn't make them "feel sexy". These women still have suitors waiting for their opportunities. When their particular chad turns up, sex will s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 01:26 PM
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Men compete with each other. Women are rarely part of the actual competition, although every avenue a man can take is open to women. Winners among men run the world, but as has been stated, they are few and not in collusion with most other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 11:32 AM
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No one likes it, but all value is relative. If you want to be valued by a man only for your interests and hobbies, realize you are competing with his male friends; who are playing in rock bands, rebuilding car engines, diving, fishing, snow boarding. The best advice to women is to pursue a emotional maturity where they're not seeking validation from men. No bitterness either. Just to appreciate what men can offer. Edit: men are not valued in society at all. Society treats 20-30 year old men esse…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/20 10:33 AM
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My thesis is that 30-year old virgins are the male equivalent of 30-year old washed up sex-workers or CC-riders. The thing in common is most often family/childhood trauma, and neither learned to appropriate value themselves. A woman, without self-worth, who stumbles out into the world seeking validation from strangers gets taken advantage of. A man seeking validation of strangers, with no confidence in his voice, gets rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:56 PM
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Ok, so this is a sensitive point. If you consider how many women are actually hindered in day-to-day activities by social anxiety, depend on alcohol to relax and party, consider it achievements to speak in front of groups, and so on, you might be able to start to understand what I mean. Most young women assume they are social, and good with people, because they never experience friction in social interactions. It is not due to their own brilliance. Their ability to actually understand what is go…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:45 PM
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A woman with this exact life story would be at 20? 40? Doing porn, or an onlyfans? Imagine the words she would use to describe her adventures, and the demands she would have for potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:32 PM
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This grants you the accent privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:26 PM
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If his mother is white, that's probably where the height comes from. At least 50% tallness seems to come down from the mother (anecdotal observations). Non-genetic factors could be womb nutrition, breast milk, etc. It seems Chinese and Koreans are catching up height wise, growing much taller than their parents. All anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:23 PM
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First, your definition of alpha is not meaningful. Alpha is just whoever has it easiest with women in some setting. Alpha is a relative position, and is not preserved between cultures and over a life time. For example; an alpha in college goes on to lose his job in his early thirties. His girlfriend leaves and he loses his friends. If he's unemployed for too long, maybe starting to lose his hair, his confidence and testosterone will drop too low for him to bounce back. An alpha no longer. Someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 06:11 PM
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The specific topic here is when men put themselves at risk - real sacrifices - to help random women in danger. It is inappropriate, to the point of being impossible, for men to offer emotional or otherwise soft help to women who are distressed. For example, it must be another woman who puts you into recovery position to prevent you from choking on your vomits when you pass out. It's just impossible for a man to do that since it involves maneuvering your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 11:56 AM
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There are a few things at play in this misunderstanding. What it means to be part of a "friend group" The degree that this group is a representative sample of men in general Because what you are describing is so obviously a biased sample of reality, it is very unlikely a real "friend group" in the true sense of the word. Rather, it is likely a group of guys with the one thing in common of being in the top 20% (1 out of 5, in case you're not visualizing this properly.) Above average women (1 out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/20 11:14 AM
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