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Sexual frustration is likely to bring about depression. It's more than just not being able to get your rocks off once a week. Rejection and failure, especially in the domain of sexuality, are deeply tied to self-worth and societal value. Being rejected in dating is more or less being told your genetics suck. This is quite an unfortunate position because despite how everyone likes to say we have inherent worth, genetics are what determine your quality of life on this planet and are accurately sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:40 PM
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That doesn't give you the rate. It says 60% has at least one success. It doesn't tell you how many times they tried. If you have no ego and can fail hundreds of times without feeling bad, sure someone will eventually bite. Wheat Waffles just put out a video with 500 approaches and got about 12 dates. I'd say 2-3% success rate for a date, and less than 1% for something beyond that are pretty reasonable estimates for an average man approaching. Waste of time. Not even a waste of time, time used wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:10 PM
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<5% date rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 08:28 PM
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By making the first move, you feed the woman's ego. Egos are fed enough at this point. The success rate for approaches is incredibly low for most guys. I'm sure women love destroying other people's self esteem to boost their own, so of course they like the approach. Men should not continue to enable women and should stop approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:53 PM
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Some men are attractive physically and other men are not. And don't have autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:25 PM
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A woman who thinks she's flawless is a serious flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:08 PM
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Why would anyone fall in love with you. Are you flawless lol. Egos be high in these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:40 PM
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Yeah, that's probably about right. What's the whole thing that we have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors? 1:2 is probably the happy place lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:20 PM
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Just a response to her condescending comment " best of luck lil guy"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:55 PM
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Worked for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:34 PM
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It's just a quick, basic marketing tactic to marginally improve credibility. "You should agree with me because I'm not a loser. People often just dismiss arguments from people who are losers and I'm not one of them. Actually, in general I'd be considered a winner." Appeal to authority works and in this case is actually legitimate since it's a dating discussion. So the opinions of not-losers is actually the important thing lol. No one's going to do a CIA hunt to verify this because it's honestly …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:32 PM
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The Queen of telling other people how they feel ladies and gentlemen! It's not insecurity, I don't like you because you can't read.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:24 PM
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Eh, it's alright. Hard to take a person with a bald cat and weird eyes seriously. Best of luck little girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:16 PM
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People generally invalidate opinions when they come from people perceived to be not particularly effective. This effect persists over internet debates. If you want to make it more obvious, try the other direction. No one is going to take someone who identifies themselves as an incel seriously. On the aspects of dating, someone who is perceived to be desirable in real life is going to be taken more seriously. You might say people lie on the internet all the time. True, but most people only lie a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:15 PM
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Nope still talking about the wrong thing. Despite the repeated attempts that it's not about attractiveness in real life, you keep talking about real life attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 07:09 PM
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Lol. So many crossed associations in your reply its hard to address them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:40 PM
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Showcasing credentials in order to speak with greater authority. It has nothing to do with attracting the women on this sub. Women have to stop assuming how men think and feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 06:32 PM
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That's a good standard. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:29 PM
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It takes a high amount of intelligence to send me a thousand dollars. You see, I have a chest of diamonds in Africa I need to transport. Once they are transported I will share some diamonds. It takes a high amount of intelligence to disassociate all of the times this exact same thing was a scam from this time, which is not a scam. There's no herpes in the diamonds either, promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 03:26 PM
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But this is a nepotistic state. Sorry Joe, you're finances have just been revoked because you're not part of the royal family. By decree of the Jawed Law, the law of the jaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:55 AM
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I think you've shot yourself in the foot with this one. First, poor option is not well defined. In a lot of cases, someone saying they have poor options is just too picky and full of themselves. In this example, a poor option is someone who doesn't pay 3 dollars for cheese. She proceed with the obviously well-adjusted response to freak out about it and think about it the entire date, then ghost-pay the date because of the ick. Men, don't feel bad about yourself. Women are clearly mentally ill. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 02:24 PM
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Yes buddy, people are allowed to talk to people in public spaces. Otherwise, I want a rule where I can talk to you but you can't talk to me because you're incredibly annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:30 PM
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Not sure you read the comment correctly. People don't value the things they say they value nearly as much as the more obvious superficial things. The God comment was a jab at OP because it doesn't really matter what you think is important for other people to like. Be young and beautiful, that's what's in demand. People can say they're equal to others all they want, but it has no real practical value outside of religion and law, to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:32 PM
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It's a balance. Humans are not particularly polyamorous due to the fact children are slow to develop. However, there's a good amount of proclivity to it. And you can see it reflected in the infidelity numbers. So no, the fight against biology did not win, it just went underground. https://smithinvestigationagency.com/blog/2024-infidelity-statistics-who-cheats-more-men-or-women/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:21 PM
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You really can't read can you? Culture can somewhat alter certain things and its not usually sexuality. This is pretty deeply wired and about as consciously alterable as a heart rate. Even the catholic church with all of its clever mechanisms still wasn't able to pray the gay way. People aren't murder rapists in general. Very few people have an active drive to murder rape. This is usually something that happens when something goes terribly wrong. It's not the same level of repression. Now we're …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:52 PM
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Those are some wild claims. You don't believe there's an inherent disgust to sharing partners but believe we are driven biologically to be murder rapists? Buck wild man. Maybe check your internalized misandry. Culture can somewhat alter certain things and its not usually sexuality. This is pretty deeply wired and about as consciously alterable as a heart rate. Even the catholic church with all of its clever mechanisms still wasn't able to pray the gay way. Rationality is a slave to the passions.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:41 PM
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It's a clear mechanism that would enforce values of a dislike of promiscuity. Lol, someone read the wikipedia for fallacies but missed the module on reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 02:28 PM
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Aside from men saying it in large numbers and the obvious child-bearing mechanisms? Yeah no, absolutely not. Men that are cool with letting people plow their partners are much more likely to reproduce. There'd be no incentive to stop other men from seeding up your woman. Either way, the disgust isn't just limited to men. It's definitely stronger for men and the threshold for promiscuity is lower. But most women aren't particularly thrilled to be in a long term relationship with men with large bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:00 PM
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The tarnished, used, cheapened terminology is likely socially conditioned. This doesn't really matter though. The thing is, men just don't like being in serious relationships promiscuous women. Whatever additional beliefs needs to be latched on to post-hoc rationalize the desire will be. Take for another example alcoholism. When I was drinking, I always had a reason. It didn't take long to realize that the reasons were bullshit and the only important thing there was was the desire to drink. If o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:55 PM
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I really don't like that phrasing except in the context of supply and demand. How many other people want to be with them? There's usually a pretty obvious set of traits that predict this: young, attractive, feminine. It's not really meant as a moral term. I'm sure God, however you define it, values character, intelligence, or whatever way more. But God's not here, this is Earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:44 AM
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I prefer them not to take notes. Then you just get lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 01:27 AM
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I was going to go for a cut but I think I'll just become a celebrity instead. And change my name to Chris.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:18 PM
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The strategy is to offer egg freezing as a company benefit, encourage the pregnancy at around 40, single-mom some women up. Being single with a child is a very vulnerable position, for either a man or woman. If enough people do it, then you cut benefits, slash salaries, and ask what cubicle they want to be buried in. Where are they going to go, they got kids to feed and no family to support them!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 11:34 PM
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It could also just be they perceive it's a lot of responsibility. If you're still a virgin, it probably means something to you. Tinder's superficial but most people aren't going to compromise someone else's morals for a one night stand like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:55 PM
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Since these characteristics are so hard to find, and it's not likely you are in the top 10%, what do you usually sacrifice? Do you like aggressive and argumentative women, unhealthy and unattractive women, promiscuous women, women with no values, or women with bad personalities? What are you sacrificing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:52 PM
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That is such a false equivocation. Either way, plenty of wives have murdered their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:41 PM
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It'd be interesting to see the frequency of cheating amongst people who cheat. Most men aren't so undesirable that they won't at least get one opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:40 PM
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Yeah, it's a race condition. Basically impossible to solve and the same reason why the AI will win. At least then there won't be a dating problem lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:32 PM
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That's actually probably preferrable to most men than women wanting model tier men. It's at least somewhat meritocratic. And while personality is largely genetic, it is at least somewhat mutable. Unlike your face. So it gives at least somewhat of a chance. I wonder if the suicides are more related to the drinking problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism\_in\_Ireland. 70% are considered hazardous drinkers. There may be some overlap between masculinity and expectations to hold down your d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:15 PM
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I think it's the extreme degree of how judgy women are that pisses men off. It's not a surprise that women want attractive men. It's a surprise that the amount of men considered attractive is absurdly small. Most men couldn't get to that level without surgical methods. Even then, it's kind of questionable. And it is mostly the same men. The gini coefficient for tinder matches is on par with the economy of South Africa. Men are somewhat more equitable at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 02:27 AM
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Damn made it to the land of opportunity to only end up on Reddit. Brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:13 PM
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American woman goes to 3rd world for dates. Expects man to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:11 PM
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I like it. Rebranding to the reality pill :)!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:56 PM
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It adds an additional level of discomfort that often tips the balance to not approach. It is an added risk and there is a perception that women are more crude with rejections that in the past. I think this is true, but it doesn't really matter if it is or not. Men today definitely definitely believe women are more likely to react strongly negatively than in the past. The perception is what matters. The degree to which people fully believe their theoretical beliefs in the moment when a situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:45 PM
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I think you did not read the OPs post. I'm pretty sure the OP is claiming that these types of events: Do you really believe that cops are getting called on men who merely ask out women? Fascinating. You also seem to equate all rejection with "calling men creeps" -- again, fascinating. Are being used as cop-outs by men. And that the primary reasons men don't approach is they're more risk averse than prior generations for negative responses that have always existed rather than new post me-too rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:34 PM
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Guessing the numbers are interpretable as 70% would not automatically disqualify you as a result of age or in those who set filters, 70% included 28 year old males.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:11 PM
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It's like there's some strange cognitive block that prevents people who already know the answer to this from accepting it. Something along the lines of a strong disappointment from having to admit that love is no more special than any other physical process and depends on certain physical conditions being met. If you've got a nice face, cold approaching works well enough to be worth your time. If not, be prepared to be highly disagreeable and disregard that other people, especially women, de fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 05:42 PM
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What's your point? The fact that TS is an example of an older woman that gets hit on means men generally prefer older women? Or is it that no 60 year old men have relationships with younger women? Anecdotes aren't really helpful. The general trend is here: https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10 Do some men hit on older women, sure. Are some older women attractive, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:49 PM
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Do you use the Power Query?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:32 PM
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Didn't say I didn't believe you. Your atypical experiences make no difference to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:31 PM
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Nah, women have husband goggles too. Except for the top 5% of men in looks who have virtually no facial deviations from average values, and do have nearly universal appeal, most men are unattractive to all but a small percentage of women who are their niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:23 AM
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Not really <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:20 AM
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They're everywhere. Creepy bastards are probably lurking right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:12 AM
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Sure, why not. It sounds like you're just purposely trying to make yourself sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 02:12 AM
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You're right. A woman's greatest goal is the same as a man's. To work in the office and make the best Excel spreadsheets possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:44 AM
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Wow, at least four people have experiences that go against the typical trend. There's also 60 year olds on here claiming to have college girls regularly hitting on them, despite women saying men just get fat and bald. What's the point of these comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:43 AM
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Most men aren't going to have a romantic preference for a random person over someone they built their life with. It mostly applies to starting new relationships. Older women just don't have a very strong halo effect and there's certainly no "I can see my entire life with her" experience. It just make it significantly less compelling to start something, especially something serious, with an older woman. At least for me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:37 AM
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Post it on tiktok
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:42 AM
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While your sarcasm is appreciated, killing mecha Hitler might provide enough status to overcome normie looks. But no accomplishment less than that, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 02:30 AM
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Morality? I can understand it if the prostitute was coerced into a situation. But having seen this video of some guy going around trying to help prostitutes out of their situation, none of them took the opportunity. What's the alternative, make 20 an hour at a dead end job? We all sell our souls for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:35 AM
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It just means he's not cavalier with his finances. Might grow up to be Dave Ramsey or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:32 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333920013\_Foodie\_Calls\_When\_Women\_Date\_Men\_for\_a\_Free\_Meal\_Rather\_Than\_a\_Relationship#:\~:text=We%20found%2023%E2%80%9333%25%20of,behavior%20and%20its%20perceived%20acceptability. I'd wager a larger percentage went on foodie calls but didn't label them as such since there was some chance it would turn into something more. Like a lottery winner's chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:41 PM
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Stop sending everyone to college for a liberal arts degree. This might turn out well for men in the end, since a good number of these universities and degrees are worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:20 PM
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The Halo is more generalized with men. Not a particular personality but more of, "wow, she must be an amazing person." That's why I watch TaylorTheFiend everyday to remind myself it's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 07:12 PM
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Damn, that's heartless. At least the dudes who said "lie" would be getting something from. Damned for naivety, I like it. Maybe join the black pill, we have cookies?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 03:12 AM
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Be honest, lying is bad for business and the entire market just gets worse. If people expect dishonesty, they will start acting dishonest. This will eventually hurt you too. If he's attractive, she'll probably cave thinking she can change him anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:56 AM
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Attraction is primitive and animalistic. Is it that big of a leap? We the people get into these elaborate relationships with the opposite sex so frequently because of the content of our genitals, not the content of our characters. If the world was about love and living in accordance with "higher" conscious desire, there'd be more gay. But it's okay, the brain will just make up a story for you about how that hot chick is your soul mate, allowing one to live in a fantasy that could not be any othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:47 AM
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Buddy, the OGs are either 1) too cynical to believe it, 2) believe it but also believe it won't last.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:43 AM
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Same lore reason for why you're 60 and not 20. One day you will be a creepy old man. No need for time travel of any special variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:37 AM
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There's a good chance you'll be that to a wife anyway. Maybe you'll get to keep the house if the contract is stated up front!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:36 AM
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I figured that was true with a good number of marriages, more than half, even without the age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:34 AM
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To some extent. There are a lot of features that are cross-cultural and independent. Again, what culture has had in its beauty standards recessed, asymmetrical, perhaps pox-ridden faces. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4079334/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 02:09 AM
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Which one are you referring to that prefers asymmetrical faces and recessed jaws? And how many are there? Also, lets take this to the extreme. If we are indeed blank slates, do you think it is possible to train most people to find mice sexually attractive? And if we are blank slates, why has the church never managed to pray the gay away?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:57 AM
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And there are certain characteristics like symmetry, jaw ratios, eye shapes that are the same in almost all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 01:53 AM
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Agreed, it's not for everyone. But then you see people complain about how awful their dating life is. So it's like, what do you have to lose? People complain about the reproductive side effects of finasteride, but it's not like anything is happening without that hair line anyway (half joke, half true)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:13 PM
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Implicit learning is only possible because the brain comes with a rigid set of "acceptable" rules. Most language follow very specific grammatical patterns. You're not going to pick up on things unless there's a strong biological basis to pick them up. Maybe you could make a person with no conception of physical beauty by exposing them to nothing, but it's unlikely you could deviate far from what's currently the norm implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:42 PM
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I don't remember a school class where they taught you to value any characteristics is a romantic sense. If anything was ever said about who you should date, it was more leaning towards "don't be superficial." Not everything needs to be taught, people are perfectly capable of being this way all on their own. Even babies do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:28 PM
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Not with my post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:11 PM
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Black. That wasn't the reason for it though. I paid about 85K to rearrange my face to a more optimal position and it had a tremendous impact on my romantic life despite the fact that I became a significantly worse person after. I stopped LTR dating after that due to jadedness. Redpill and game is just too fruitless to take seriously. The only game you need is physical attraction and not autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:04 PM
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If you told me this is how women reacted 10 years ago, I would have never believed it. However, in addition to plausible evolutionary mechanisms and other men's experiences with this, my own experiences paint the same result. When I dated, there were a couple of girls that had similar responses when I acted aggressively with other men. They seemed to enjoy/get turned on by me being forceful, either in defense or to get something I wanted, especially when using physicality. These were not "ratche…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:51 PM
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How so. I think it makes a lot of people sick, which is why the dating market is in a bad place. Men didn't have an issue with putting in work to get women until some men were shown to not have to at all. Then it's pretty hard to unsee that most women just think most men aren't good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:33 PM
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I'm not sure you're following the form of your argument. Because the critique that a " the whole is not reducible to the sum of its parts" is pretty obvious. And I already addressed that validation is equally parable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:07 PM
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No, you can have validation as separate from sex and friendship. If you're hot, just post a picture of yourself on social media. So your parsing argument still "works" just as well. Sometimes the whole is not reducible to the sum of its parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:01 PM
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I'm not sure why incels try to recover. Come here and get the same generic advice about showering, weight loss, talking to people, and not starting conversations with "I want to have sex." These are all things I'm sure you've always done and are still doing. You know what it is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:00 PM
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I think the combination of the two things in one person is important. I can have a sandwich. It's not the same as eating the bread first, then the ham, then the cheese.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:58 PM
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Probably not. If it's any consolation, it's probably a different set of guys. Like the ones who are still single in their 30s. Applies to men to. As a single 30 year old man, I gave up on the romance thing because who's really left worth dating at this point lol. Acceptance is a virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:47 PM
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They commit and marry to someone they are less attracted to and makes up for it with greater sacrifices. Most women don't settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:39 PM
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Yes, every sperm is sacred. And must be banked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:31 PM
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Hey man, at least you can console yourself with you were good enough for second best and to provide resources or emotional labor!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:29 PM
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So the primary reason age gap relationships fail is because of judgemental friends and age related mental freak outs. Not sure what point you think you've made here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:26 PM
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What I meant is that you could use evolution to argue both ways. Evolution isn't at odds with socialization since you could argue the more socializable people are the ones who survived. And there's good reason to since most social animals tend to kill dissidents. I'd agree that the only way to really show it's not socializatoin is to do cross-culture studies. And that was kind of the main idea of the question. Trying to figure out where people are disagreeing. Seems mostly like redpill evolution…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 01:20 PM
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Wouldn't the capacity for culturally evolved behavior still be genetically evolved? ie, wouldn't someone say that for social species, fitting into the group is highly important. Most social species tend to kill off dissidents. So the only ones that survive are cognitively malleable enough to blend in?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:47 PM
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Sperm donation is every man's duty, miss!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:58 PM
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Only autistic guys that struggle. I'm not sure a lot of guys find the idea of having a wife that doesn't like them appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 08:57 PM
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Not being spineless is easier if you're a vertebrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 01:40 AM
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They even try to let down Pew researchers the same way. Sorry online survey, I have a boyfriend!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 09:33 PM
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I don't date, never have really. It just feels oddly arbitrary to me. That said, I do have romantic fantasies where the thought of being with a girl long term sounds like a pleasant thing. These fantasies don't typically occur after some level of promiscuity is met. This somewhat depends on my mood that day. But it's usually not as strict as a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 12:01 AM
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I don't blame them or hold moral resentment against them. I get that some men in this community do hold a moral grudge that's uncalled for against promiscuous women. That said, I just don't want to seriously date a formerly promiscuous woman because the thought of my beloved with someone's cock in her throat is just not very conducive to the way romance generally works for me. This would probably still apply to most men who could get past their moral hangups as well. If she doesn't want to date …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 11:53 PM
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I was thinking something slightly different. He just got his first girlfriend and he's flooded with joy. He is now in the process of recanting everything he believed in because of hormones. He'll be back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:21 AM
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If he is the only one ever buying drinks or I specifically call him because I know he'll buy stuff for me I can either admit I just use people for drinks. give him a blowie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:21 PM
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People in general just don't like not being part of the preferred group. It's emotional, just like when men get upset about not being in the preferred height range. You can postulate a bunch of complex ideological reasons but it's really just the same thing that happens everytime. People like to have what they like but don't like being told what other people like if they don't have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:00 AM
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Normies tend to be the more bluepilled ones from my experience, unless the Chad is very dumb. The profound impact of looks is obvious on the lower end of attractiveness and on the upper end. It's easy regardless of how smart someone is to notice that people are treating you worse. A Chad will generally notice that they are treated much better than normal. However, it's easier to miss special positive treatment than special negative treatment. The red and blue pill apply more in the middle. Here …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:27 PM
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Most redpillers do exaggerate the importance but sex and relationships are generally highly motivating. Definitely for a lot of male teens use it as a primary conscious motivator for a lot of actions. However, the role is typically more subtle. Women generally make men feel the need to "get their act together" either by shame or desire to have a relationship or sex. Most people don't start going to the gym for their health but for their appearance. The pursuit of sex and family makes the general…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:15 PM
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Platonic friendships are usually less emotionally intimate. But that's obfuscating the issue specific with platonic relationships with women. Being a friend with someone you have stronger feelings for is actively uncomfortable, which is why most men don't want platonic friendships with women. Platonic friendships with women you find unattractive are great, especially if they find you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:21 PM
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The issue is not everyone takes traits that you think are negative as negative. There's a good amount of men who either have pride in or identify with their sex drive/sexuality. It's not misandry to a large number of men to categorize as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:17 PM
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It's just a bad argument generally because it's a strawman in most cases. The same is true for women for things they are often accused of being entitled about. Most people aren't processing an moral desert ethics when they get pissed about not getting what they want. They'll often rationalize a reward ethics when asked why they got pissed because they feel they need a reason other than "I wanted something, didn't get it, now I'm m/sad." It's probably a few vocal outliers like Elliot Rodger that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 01:11 PM
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Don't mind him. The underlying belief is the more space, the more alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 03:07 AM
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The definition of discussion: the action or process of talking about something in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Why are you substituting words to fit your narrative. This isn't a discussion because this is not the process of talking. We are typing. Also, it's not my narrative. I'm a black piller, if you check my post history. But this post is just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:53 PM
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No, interchanging isomorphism with equality is a pretty common event. Do you believe that all men are equal? Because I don't think any man is identical to another one. I'm certainly not equal to you by your extreme definition because I understand how English works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:45 PM
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That choice of words is somewhat arbitrary. Equal in this context has referred to equal in "inherent value." This isn't a great mystery, it's not an issue with logic. Guess you missed out on the Constitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:43 PM
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It's pretty clear that the most similar technical definition to the one being used in ethics with regards to the term "equal" is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isomorphism#:\~:text=In%20mathematics%2C%20an%20isomorphism%20is,an%20isomorphism%20exists%20between%20them. I'm against having to redefine words all of the time and not establishing universal definitions to some extent. But this is hard to avoid for language users. Words don't mean the exact same thing in every context. Don't be so …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:31 PM
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Equality in this context refers to identity with regards to "important" characteristics, those that give you value. If you want a math example, consider isomorphisms. In the context of algebra, two groups are isomorphic when they both share a certain equivalence relation. This does not mean the groups are the same, they are just the same, often loosely referred to as equal, with regards to important characteristics. Logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 10:25 PM
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Depends on the remarriage rates and other factors. The remarriage rate might not be fully accurate as I don't doubt women post-menopause are happier single. Reproductive systems are probably the biggest cause of stress. This isn't just a women thing though, eunuchs are also happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:50 AM
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Gay men have the lowest divorce rate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:41 AM
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It just seems you're going very far to responsibilities that are way beyond the scope of a first date. No one's asking you for children on a first date. It's kind of weird to start negotiating so far down the line and unlikely to happen. Are you entitled to the sacrifices of others that are not you just because you're in the same gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:29 AM
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Like you having his kids? If it's a first date, it's very unlikely that the given man will be making kids with you. Did you have a break up recently?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:22 AM
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Where are you getting that women are happier alone? Please don't say the Dolan study.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:15 AM
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Maybe you're a great negotiator. There's plenty of lesbian videos online talking about paying for dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:10 AM
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This seems like it's jumping the gun a bit, from coffee dates to brining children into it. It's a date, most people date multiple people at once. A date is usually not a serious commitment. It's not a great idea to put the burden on the person you're dealing with individually because of the struggles of people that aren't you who had children. If the core of dating for you is getting free meals and otherwise there's no point, don't date :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:10 AM
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It's not possible in a monogamous society where the number of men to women is roughly equal for there to be crowds of men that are seriously interested in long term relationships with a woman. Having crowds means the men are either not interested in serious relationships or are somehow able to support, financially or emotionally, multiple people. Most people are not able to support either financially or emotionally more than one person to the extent a spouse is usually or ideally supported. I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 01:41 AM
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I'm not going to contest the OPs claim. However, if we assume it to be true, then neither does the average woman. That's what pump-and-dumps are all about. Casual sex is just the illusion of value. I bet if you made a female profile and put up a picture of a sheep, it would still get matches, showcasing a lack of discrimination among men rather than women being wonderful. Most people are actually also not happy being alone or being used, men or women. The Dolan study has been shown to have a ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 12:40 AM
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Perhaps you are not aware of what the average man looks like. The average man is not very fit and has no money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 11:49 PM
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Most people don't want emo punk rockers, you're good.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:10 PM
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She's probably right on average though. You're probably not an average man. A less emotionally charged example: people almost always are faster and more intelligent in their 20s (at least in terms of raw processing ability). But the 140 IQ person will be smarter on their deathbed than the average person will be in their prime. Genetics always wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 08:02 PM
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No man. You're definitely obsessed with people who are 24. Any man who even mentions dating women younger than 25 when the brain stops developing is obsessed with grooming younger women. (sarcasm).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 07:53 PM
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That's the part you failed to address. You just vaguely put out a fallacy and said case closed. You did not address the point. Not every case in which two things have some similarities are the same. You're entire post is just restating this over and over and hoping that if you say "I don't acknowledge the differences" that that counts as a counter argument. I know you are proud of the Wikipedia article you read on informal fallacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:34 PM
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Yes sir. There is no distinction between the examples. Understood. A case of angry ranting teenagers where the comments are mostly not supportive of the hate is the same as broadly accepted and socially supported hate. Glad we reached this level of nuance. Understood, these cases are indeed identical. And 1 is indeed less than 4. You are indeed profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:19 PM
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It's fun how you don't address the points. You can't invoke the true scottsmen claim then argue against a claim that wasn't actually being made. (That's what they call a strawman.) Then say because you found 4 bad examples and 4 > 1, that you have made a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:05 PM
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I believe the distribution on the given scale is normal, mean = 5, sd = 1. So 1.5 points here is moving you from roughly top 40% to top 2%. If you haven't seen the OkCupid study, top 5% is where the fun begins. And I can confirm, it is where the fun begins :) Don't know about the eyes. That's a rough one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:03 PM
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You are definitely just being dogmatic now. I clearly pointed out a case that I thought was legitimate. But I guess you just read what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 02:08 PM
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Did not count every example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:43 PM
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Prove that this does not constitute very few by counting every example. Since you want to go for treating claims as being strictly laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:36 PM
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Alright, if you're going to go for technicalities, the initial claim was "There are very few equivalents ". If you are going to treat this as a formal debate, count every example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:31 PM
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I don't think you know what fallacies are. It's amazing how blue pillers will jump to an obviously present distinction with vague fallacy accusations. Just to prop up their ideologies. And then use arguments that are not arguments because they can easily just be used in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:26 PM
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I just have a hard time believing you don't understand the difference between normal women discussing their hatred of men and emotionally unstable societal outliers doing it. One's systemic, one's crazies. I didn't post r/fourthwavewomen for the same reason, those women are clearly "different." You don't get to just ignore distinctions when they're inconvenient to your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:45 PM
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Incorrect, it's only hyperbole when it comes from men ranting about their small penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:35 PM
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Sure man. There's no difference between the rant and the post provided. Absolutely. Hope you don't have kids that say they hate you when you take away their cellphone or whatever. Might be hard for you to process.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:41 AM
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The dude is clearly a mentally challenged, petulant child primarily ranting about his penis. Honestly the least relevant person that no one really takes seriously. He also seems to hate hung men just as much lmao. Is this the type of person blue pillers take seriously? Here's another good quote to from his post "I feel like I’m watching my girlfriend get fucked in front of me." Digging deep into the corners of mental instability here. The r/women post is normal women. That is the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 03:04 AM
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First one is a very dramatic, sad guy that's mostly self hating. Definitely a loon but misogynistic is a bit much. Two and four only have comments that only support getting help or how to stop the hate. I'll give you three, those teenage redpillers do get cringy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:47 AM
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It's a good economic opportunity to invest in fertility clinics. This strikes me as something that is likely to cause last minute regret. Whether last minute regret represents a genuine "desire" or not, I don't know. But it probably will cause some price spikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:35 AM
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It sounds like you think you said something incredibly profound. Do your aunt and sister represent all cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 01:33 AM
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Fair, it was mostly the comments underneath that were an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 11:54 PM
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Yeah, I thought it was a reddit or selection bias thing at first. Until, I went on instagram and the website formerly known as twitter and saw a lot of similar stuff. Then I thought, maybe it's just internet behavior. But then the women at work started parroting this stuff. Somewhat less direct but more or less the same. It's not just a reddit or internet thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:57 PM
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Yep, that's perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:12 PM
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You could at least view it as a symbolism for commitment. (I obviously don't buy it. It's not even a government thing. I just don't believe in commitment unless its for kids.) That said, if the situation is just, "we're going to split when one of us gets dissatisfied," I don't see even a symbolic purpose. There's not even a bullshit reason at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 06:04 PM
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Why get the government involved and go through all that paperwork if you're just going to leave because of dissatisfaction?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 05:09 PM
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That has not been my experience. Don't knock being a PSL 7 until you try it lol. The surgeries are not that painful either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 05:46 PM
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Yeah, I did get a bit lucky there that my flaws were mostly jawline (I had fewer teeth from birth than expected so my mouth is fairly small. I like to say I'm just evolving, but the ladies didn't see it that way lol.) The ratios and eyes were good, just needed some more hairs (since balding doesn't look good if you're also strangely young looking) and more jaw mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 01:55 PM
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Pretty sure the prevailing direction currently is more geared towards looks and looksmaxing. Men are pushing back on paying for dates, at least in the gen Z culture. But who knows, it's not like anyone is going to count and compare the cases. This is just going to a devolve into a "but in this case I observed" followed by someone's rebuttal in the form "not true, I actually observe." Then again, women aren't helping their case either. 33% admitted to a foodie call, where no romantic interest was…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:37 AM
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Eh, I kind of agree with this but there's surgery. I had a pretty high paying tech job, used it to save some money. Basically used it to get a few cosmetic procedures: 2 hair transplants, jaw + chin implant, rhinoplasty, minor upper lip lift, some minor skin and teeth enhancements. Went from about a 5.5 to 7 on the blackpill scale. Dating got way easier, I got an easier, less stressful job. It was a good choice, why do more when you can do less?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:15 AM
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Fuck it, just advocate for public nudity being okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:48 AM
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Wow another non-response. Here's another argument. I didn't ask to be aroused. It's honestly kind of annoying at times. Why do your feelings take precedent? Not particularly easy to control finding someone hot, and that shit is annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:47 AM
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It's actually a lack of clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:44 AM
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Women shouldn't be entitled to dress provocatively and not expect provocation. Why shouldn't I be able to wear my rolex in the hood and not get robbed? Honestly, just wear emotionally unassuming clothing or expect people to get emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:41 AM
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Men who are physically attractive to women are rare. Women think most men are uggos. Adding more characteristics just makes a rare even rarer. Shiny even. In addition, the ones who are attractive and relationship focused are going to get into relationships quickly. So the majority of the ones that are attractive and constantly on the market are the ones who are not relationship focused or have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 12:25 AM
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That's a silly reason. Pretty sure this is where communication is helpful and learning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:47 AM
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This right here. This is literally the biggest reason. The other stuff is backwards rationalized because people need an explanation from some "higher" theory. Just saying the two phrases "beloved" and "cock in the mouth" creates some nausea and lightheadedness. It's ridiculously irritating and momentarily strong enough of a revulsion that for the time you're thinking about it, the love for the other person goes away. The purity halo is probably involved in there somewhere. Romantic love is mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:46 AM
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Or it functions by people being opportunistic and trying to get the best they can. The entitlement ethic I think is exaggerated by feminism and has become a cliche at this point. You don't have to think you deserve something to want more. There's also a principle of fair exchange that I think unecessarily gets branded as entitlement. I don't think it's entitlement that if you're putting out resources to be expected to keep doing that with no reward. Clearly, you don't have the right to reclaim r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 06:51 PM
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Watch you on about Willis? You don't need air if you're not trying to live. The distinction between need and want at a logical level is arbitrary at best, usually without a difference upon further inspection. Men and women who want sex with people they find attractive, who want to have kids, want to start families, and for most people, want to not feel lonely do need each other. (The whole cliche just because you're alone doesn't meant your lonely needs to stop. The emotion was associated with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:29 PM
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True, but most women can rent an iron man doctor for a situationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 12:38 AM
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What is meant, from my experiences, is if the man is incredibly good looking, wealthy, and/or high status, there is no bar for how his personal behaviors are for him to sleep with the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 12:13 AM
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