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I think media literacy training in schools explaining how social media grifters con people has become a necessary part of education. You could argue that leaving young guys and girls to consume these influencers’ nonsense is leaving them vulnerable to forms of radicalisation - towards the opposite sex, to their own body image and mental health. It can really fuck people up and schools (as far as I can tell) dont truly educate on that. I know it’s primarily parents’ responsibility but we can’t re…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/26 11:29 AM
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No I’ve never met any of these people in real life. I imagine it’s all weird
/r/ExRedPill02/06/26 08:20 PM
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Mostly exploiting lost young, possibly neurodivergent, men. They were selling wild concepts to guys with zero social skills who probably had few friends in school. I mean that respectfully. Theres always some value in the ocean of messages they’d give but overall it seemed like a semi-cult that got the top instructors rich and wasted everyone else’s time and money. But that’s just speculation - what about you?
/r/ExRedPill02/06/26 09:20 AM
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I agree he’s a smart writer and the second book certainly has a clean narrative. But if you read The Truth he absolutely doesn’t sell the PUA world as something that brings men anything of value, quite the opposite. It’s a grey area for me, whether game works. It certainly doesn’t work for everyone but it works for many. It’s a framework some can succeed with but others dont - it was effective for me in terms of ‘success’ with women but the value of that ‘success’ is questionable in itself. Pros…
/r/ExRedPill01/06/26 11:04 PM
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Have you got any more reviews of books you haven’t actually read?
/r/ExRedPill01/06/26 02:17 PM
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No It was about how his life a decade or so on was empty and loveless, he had cheated on a loving gf or wife and realised he was the problem. That his PUA lifestyle was an expression of sex addiction rooted in childhood trauma. he realised the women were attracted to a persona he created and not to him so he re evaluated the whole ‘game’ as about men seeking validation for feeling worthless that really need to go to therapy. And I think he acknowledged the damage his original book had done to a …
/r/ExRedPill01/06/26 08:19 AM
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Neil Strauss essentially wrote The Truth to explain why Neil Strauss was full of shit. It’s an incredibly honest book and should be required reading for anyone who read The Game
/r/ExRedPill31/05/26 09:47 PM
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Agree the wise old man trope is unhelpful, it also enables non-wise older men to lean into their own outdated bullshit and opinions and feel they’re being wise when they’re actually being limited in their thinking and feeling capacity. I also think we overestimate how much older age (of men and women) equates to wisdom - a lot of people grow old but dont mature at the same rate at all
/r/ExRedPill30/05/26 02:17 PM
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Just observe the real world and how many young guys without money and status have girlfriends - theres proof everywhere
/r/ExRedPill28/05/26 10:18 PM
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I’ve had similar regrets but it comes down to this - the decisions I made were the only decisions I could have made at the time. If I’d stayed and committed to something I wasn’t ready for, it never would’ve worked. Now I look back and wonder ‘what if’ but I have to remind myself I simply would not have been at ease in that situation back then, or given her what she needed - and that’s exactly why I decided that then. Also - Probably what you’re experiencing now is a retrospective reappraisal of…
/r/ExRedPill28/05/26 12:37 PM
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Agree the way it frames things messes your head. How did you get past that yourself?
/r/ExRedPill13/05/26 12:00 PM
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It’s a matter of dignity and self respect. You just leave her immediately. There’s no managing someone who does that, you end it and find better
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:20 PM
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That resonates (and fuck, lately all the signs point to me having ADHD) but I guess I could get that dopamine in lots of places, but why here in this forum exactly? I suspect most people have a degree of unresolved relationship trauma that keeps them engaging with this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:15 PM
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I know you might be ‘joking’ here but I’m curious about this because I also find it ‘fun’ or at least stimulating in some way but also I always feel worse after engaging in these forums. I don’t know why I keep coming back or what I’m looking for. Does that resonate with you? Or do you genuinely just mean it’s fun, plain and simple?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:43 PM
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True, it’s trying to provide a framework or system of certainty and simplicity out of complexity so it can be understood - and packaged to be sold. I suspect this approach is born out of being created by (and needing to appeal to) a demographic of neurodivergent and/or socially challenged men for whom a ‘system’ is an appealing way to understand human relationships. Of course there is an underlying system that influences how men and women interact. But it’s multi layered and hugely complex and i…
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 03:51 PM
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What does restorative justice look like to you, can you elaborate?
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 03:26 PM
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It’s certainly based on pseudoscience. But my point is in its essence it was not about subjugating women but about waking men up to what women actually want (however accurate or inaccurate red pill was in achieving that).
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 03:25 PM
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Very weird era. And I’m not naive to that being misogynistic even if it was less explicit. But yeah, I’m glad Tate wasn’t an influence in my teen years.
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 12:13 PM
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RP was not originally about misogyny at all, it was about understanding the true real world nature of heterosexual relationships vs the Disney version society raises men with. That’s it. It appealed to men who weren’t able to interest women despite being good guys. They learned about reality, changed their mindset and found more success. It was about learning what women actually respond to, not putting women down. Then the internet transformed it in a hugely negative way, algorithms merged red p…
/r/ExRedPill02/04/26 10:49 AM
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What makes you despise it?
/r/ExRedPill31/03/26 01:38 PM
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You prioritised the potential height of your children over them having parents who are in love. Your children are more likely to be disadvantaged emotionally and socially by being raised under a mindset of ‘optimisation’ than they would be disadvantaged by being shorter than average. This sounds much more like a deep insecurity of your own than a smart decision for the benefit of your unborn children. While evolutionary psychology is interesting, it’s just not supposed to be your compass for mat…
/r/ExRedPill31/03/26 01:27 PM
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Who says I am?
/r/ExRedPill23/03/26 08:59 PM
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Yeah, possibly.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 09:24 PM
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Exactly, rage bait sells so extreme views become prevalent and present as normal and reflective of the real world
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:45 PM
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The opposite - that certain women are unattainable by certain men. And this is the root of their misogyny - they hate that fact.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:43 PM
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I’m not suggesting the person commenting, or women in general, ‘owe’ anything. My point is that diverse perspectives would defuse the current perceptions out there that maintain men’s false beliefs perpetuated by the 666 type of content. And what makes you think these men are ‘shitty’? It’s a sweeping and unrealistic attitude. Often these are boys or teenagers who have minimal real world social interaction and this is where they learn about the world. You think they’re shitty by default?
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:30 PM
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Which men?
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:26 PM
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It would be great for people like you and your friends to have your views visible online for men to see the other side - that the ‘women’s dating discourse’ online is not necessarily representative. That perspective could help a lot of men to realise that the online world feeds a monolithic notion of what women really want. I personally believe that you and your friends are probably representative of what’s normal based on my experience of people in the real world. But exposure to online discour…
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:13 PM
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You’re right, red pill instils a reinforcing confirmation bias that influences how one interprets the real world.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:06 PM
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Great answer thank you. Being chronically online means consuming the algorithmic diet of ‘the worst of men and women’ but assuming this represents the norm. And exposure to the loudest voices which are often the rage baiters or traumatised or indeed the most superficial people.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 07:04 PM
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Agree that ‘red pill’ advice minus misogyny has some value. Perhaps misogyny stems from men who struggle with women and their reaction becomes a need to control women and a resentment which becomes hatred. But while that is not justified at all, it perhaps reflects a red pill principle that some women are simply unattainable to certain men because they lack the necessary attributes. If you’re a ‘666’ you’re less likely to be a woman-hating incel, because you inevitably have more success with wom…
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 06:59 PM
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I agree but, much like RP influences mens real world attitudes and behaviours, the women’s online dating discourse shapes their real world behaviour - and how they engage with dating apps/who they match with to meet in real life. It’s not just ‘men’s online discourse bad, women’s online discourse healthy’
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 06:52 PM
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You’ve misread the post
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 06:49 PM
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Red pilled men do all the things they complain about women doing - trying to get the most desirable match possible. Men seek certain attributes, women seek certain attributes. We are all just trying to get the best we can, often in a superficial way. But when women do it it’s unfair.
/r/ExRedPill22/03/26 12:10 AM
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/r/RedPillWomen17/03/26 04:27 PM
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Mastermind in what sense?
/r/ExRedPill16/03/26 11:31 PM
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Happy to think it’s women who are the opportunistic ones? It’s a given that nobody falls for someone they dislike the company of. But that’s not what red pill argues - it says women don’t fall for men they don’t see as high enough status. That’s a totally different thing. To equate ‘disliking company of’ with ‘low status’ is to prove the superficiality of female attraction (according to red pill) The thing is, if women are superficial for preferring high status and resources, men can’t be too hu…
/r/ExRedPill27/02/26 12:01 AM
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It’s the belief that female nature means a woman’s ‘love’ is conditional, dependent on what you can provide her with - not on who you actually are as a person. If her interest in you depends on your status (which can change) this makes it inauthentic. Men who believe this conclude women are therefore superficial and the less romantic gender because their interest is more transactional. Yes that’s a sad realisation for a man and raises issues of trust and loyalty and what the actual point of purs…
/r/ExRedPill26/02/26 10:26 PM
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That’s so fascinating. It makes me think women’s status in western countries is shaped by their value to men (sexually or marriage) as mothers to children or as working employees. Beyond that value is hard to find
/r/ExRedPill26/02/26 10:48 AM
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Yes, absolutely. I think it is a self reinforcing bias - one notices those observable truths applying to one person, which validates their belief system, and ignores the evidence that contradicts.
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 07:50 PM
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Ok I see. Thanks. My interest is where there are red pill ideas which may have some validity in the real world even if the truth is hugely overstated or exaggerated by red pill grifters. I absolutely believe that red pill content is designed to exploit men’s insecurities however I also feel that there are some grains of truth in the core principles. All cults work like this because they offer some relatable truths to entice people into the wider ideology which gets further and further from reali…
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 06:59 PM
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You please. I’m curious about what it means to be ex red pill, whether all of the beliefs are gone entirely or not. Are you happy to share your experience?
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 06:42 PM
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Can I ask if you consider yourself ex red pill, are there any red pill concepts that you still find to be at least partially truthful? Or do you now disbelieve everything entirely that you had been taught via red pill content?
/r/ExRedPill19/02/26 06:36 PM
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RP offers a framework for understanding the transactional aspects of romantic relationships and recognise one’s own ‘value’ to the opposite sex - and the degree to which they can attract women they want. So yes, an attractive, successful and confident woman would likely trigger a RP man’s insecurities because he instantly recognises those attributes and understands (according to RP) he cannot obtain her - if he believe he isn’t enough. So I think you could be right that if you are someone your e…
/r/ExRedPill18/02/26 08:44 PM
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Thanks, appreciate your perspective
/r/ExRedPill11/02/26 09:06 PM
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It’s important to regard Ev Psych as one ‘lens’ through which relationships can be partially understood. It cannot and doesn’t claim to explain everything in full and as a scientific method it mostly offers theories rather than factual evidence. Which doesn’t mean EP doesn’t point to truths, it just shouldn’t be taken as black and white fact. IMO it reveals tendencies but not absolute truths which means there’s plenty of exceptions to the ‘rules’ put forward. Often people who have minimal life e…
/r/ExRedPill10/01/26 10:58 AM
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I’m still not sure what the racial side of it is
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 11:11 PM
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That’s awesome you were able to do that and to recognise RP targets insecurities
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 10:29 PM
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What do you mean by a nationalistic perspective? I’m also curious as a female what drew you to it? Thanks
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 10:28 PM
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Oh ok sorry - I assumed longer bc people can be into it for years. What’s made you want to get away from RP?
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 10:11 PM
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I’m curious, at what age did you begin consuming RP content? I encountered it in my 30s, after I’d had a decade plus of actual lived experience with women. I can’t imagine the effect of encountering it as a child
/r/ExRedPill08/01/26 10:06 PM
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He’s got daddy isssues
/r/ExRedPill20/12/25 12:49 AM
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its not exactly what i mean. i'm saying that its so normalised these days to live our lives online and get feedback from the world via online relationships which distorts our mind. for example, dating apps promote superficial judgements of people - you can be accepted or rejected based on how photogenic you are. but this isn't the full picture of how attractive you are as a person - and this isn't a cope. it doesn't convey your voice, movement, energy, presence or other aspects of you which cont…
/r/ExRedPill10/12/25 11:26 PM
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Sorry, I didn’t mean it to come across that way. I was only being critical of the tendency to use the online world to navigate self image. This is understandable in this day and age and perhaps feels more normal than it should. However, I think one can get better feedback and better self insight from actual in person interactions so this to me would be a ‘ healthier’ approach.
/r/ExRedPill10/12/25 07:29 AM
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It’s not easy, I find it hard to get the right person too. People say it’s always trial and error - so it takes time. I wish you the best and hope my comment was taken as encouraging rather than critical
/r/ExRedPill09/12/25 08:16 PM
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I’m glad your confidence has been improving - that’s great - but with all respect, some of this isn’t a healthy way to approach things, in my opinion. I expect that having autism you face some challenges around accurately understanding/ interpreting people’s interactions with you - so this is an additional challenge that most people are privileged not to have to navigate. But then also interacting in the online world - with onlyfans models, gaging your attractiveness on a subreddit, developing a…
/r/ExRedPill09/12/25 06:32 PM
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Why?
/r/ExRedPill20/11/25 02:14 AM
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It’s the opposite
/r/ExRedPill19/11/25 07:46 AM
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Great video, I’d like to hear the presenter break down more of these sub cultures.
/r/ExRedPill18/11/25 09:24 PM
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You’re on an a ‘ex-red pill’ sub. It shouldn’t be surprising to you to find men whose beliefs about women have been distorted to some extent. That’s literally the core reason people are here. But I’ll explain. Ive had a lot of experience with women. Most red pill ideas ring true, that’s why it’s popular because men recognise their lived experience in it and men love to believe they have a ‘rational’ framework for thinking. However, when RP goes beyond being just a tool and becomes an ‘ideology’,…
/r/ExRedPill16/11/25 11:19 AM
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I totally agree. I have the same concerns but what surprises me is how often I meet women who make me realise that a lot of the gender war discourse online is huge online but much much less prominent in the real world. I think the problem is that RP ideology is based on truths (and some non truth) but overstates their importance and significance which keeps you over vigilant to it and it distorts perceptions of reality and makes you second guess women’s behaviour and thinking. I have internalise…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 11:24 PM
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While what you’re saying may or may not be entirely true - it kind of doesn’t matter. If you find one woman you like who likes you, then none of this intellectualising over dating politics will matter to you anymore. The fact you believe it’ll take you two decades and that you clearly have a negative self belief about your likelihood of success may be more of a barrier for you than any of the (legitimate) points you are theorising. Whether it’s all true or not, what is certainly true is that try…
/r/ExRedPill15/11/25 11:15 PM
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/r/ExRedPill13/11/25 02:18 AM
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-/:()££
/r/ExRedPill13/11/25 01:44 AM
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Hey, I understand this must be hard. My observation is that you are hoping he will change (understandably) and trying to rationalise to him why he shouldn’t feel insecure in a relationship with you (also understandable). The problem is that you are contending with this ideology which in itself is non-falsifiable, meaning you cannot prove it wrong - no matter what you do, your actions can also be interpreted to support that ideology. Furthermore, this ideology (we could also consider it something…
/r/ExRedPill06/11/25 04:36 PM
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What does emotional differentiation mean?
/r/ExRedPill04/11/25 02:58 PM
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Hey I noticed your other posts on this same topic. I don’t know you but you’re only 19 and if you find the right professional support now then you have so so SO many years ahead of you of life worth living! I’m twice your age, i have a fuck of a lot I want to improve about myself and so far to go in life. I’d kill to be your age! I know whatever age you are you compare yourself to others, it’s what humans do. But it sounds like you are fixated on some negative ideas about yourself. That can impr…
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 11:47 PM
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You’re right, it’s the same journey for everyone. We are just born at different difficulty levels but everyone is still in the game wherever you start from it’s always worth growing from there
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 11:41 PM
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Cool, I just wanted to encourage you to be open to peoples ideas in the Hope it’ll help you. Maybe you already are, I don’t know
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 11:34 PM
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OP - please consider engaging with these posts, people are trying to help you out by challenging your mindset. It would be great to hear your response. And maybe responding could help you process these counter ideas? Maybe you were feeling very low when you posted and don’t want to engage - but it actually might benefit you to share your thoughts on these responses. People can see you are stuck in a mindset that’s hurting you and know you could escape that with the right guidance. You’re a human…
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 11:01 PM
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So how did you pull yourself out of that - and how are you doing now?
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 10:57 PM
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Right - but to empathise with someone who has been sucked in by BP, they aren’t able to take an objective perspective on any of this. It is much easier to draw those conclusions when removed from the situation. They’re already vulnerable psychologically if their past experiences (possibly shaped by their physical characteristics) have been negative, isolated them, attracted bullies and taught them to low self esteem. That’s incredibly challenging to recover from psychologically.
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 10:15 PM
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Interesting, yes BP can be a self fulfilling prophecy in terms of affecting your lifestyle choices. It is an external locus of control world view that traps you in a downward spiral of belief, resignation, inaction and confirmation bias.
/r/ExRedPill23/10/25 09:36 PM
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‘My life has validated it’. Or do you have black pill confirmation bias? If everytime you perceive something in your life as unfair and then attribute it to your height then of course your BP world view will feel ‘validated’. But that’s not a scientific process, it’s subjective and highly vulnerable to bias. A happy tall person validates it. A sad tall person is ignored. A neutral looking tall person is perceived as happy or just ignored. BP validated regardless. Do you understand that a fixed m…
/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 09:36 PM
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/r/ExRedPill21/10/25 08:34 PM
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cause RP has some truth to it. People make the ideas toxic.
/r/ExRedPill17/10/25 11:22 PM
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I think there’s also the element of individualist culture overtaking religious forces to marry. But yeah these trends are fascinating. I know men who earn less than their wives and some who’d be content with their husbands doing Home duties with children. The principles you mention may guide the majority but there are always plenty of exceptions and that’s why I think red pill warps men’s thinking - too black and white, especially when men with little real life experience to compare to. I’ve had…
/r/ExRedPill16/10/25 07:42 PM
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I wouldn’t propose a general rule like that for a man or woman to follow bc there’s so much more nuance and complexity in relationships. Money matters but there are so many variables in terms of its importance in a relationship
/r/ExRedPill16/10/25 04:18 PM
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Develop female friendships and you’ll find that the red pill takes some things that have some truth to them and presents them as absolute truths. Yes women can be attracted to bad boys. But many find them childish. Yes women like attractive men - but it’s simply not true that they make it the most important thing Yes a wealthy guy might have an advantage but sooner or later his personality is what he will be measured by Consider all the things the red pill says about women and you’ll find there …
/r/ExRedPill13/10/25 11:43 PM
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How old are you?
/r/ExRedPill13/10/25 10:41 PM
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Curious what he’s doing that’s alerted you to think he’s red pill? He’s not gonna admit he consumes red pill content if you call him out - but if he’s being abusive to someone I think it should be called out anyway
/r/ExRedPill02/10/25 04:11 PM
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Were they on 12 step due to RP? Curious how deep they went to need rehab
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 11:16 PM
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Oh I get you 😂 it took me a minute. Does this sub not allow people to discuss which parts of RP have validity? I think that’s reasonable
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 08:20 PM
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Can I ask what you mean by disingenuous and how that connects with red pill? I’m genuinely curious.
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 07:53 PM
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arranged marriage is an example of culture interfering with ‘free market’ dating dynamics - it doesn’t mean they no longer exist, it just creates a situation where they are overridden because the natural mate selection process becomes socially engineered It would be interesting to see what attributes tend to be selected within arranged marriages. I bet some of them align with the natural mate selection system because society recognises their value.
/r/ExRedPill17/09/25 07:48 PM
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Please just seek a therapist who deals with psychological abuse and coercive control. Your partner is abusing you psychologically and you cannot accept that. Red Pill arms insecure abusers with ideas and tactics for belittling you. Forgiving him is part of being manipulated by him. He needs you to question your worth. You are valuable and worth a non abusive relationship in which your partner respects you as a human being, not manipulates you to be his compliant puppet. You may not see it now, y…
/r/ExRedPill21/08/25 02:54 PM
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The infighting was hilariously tragic
/r/ExRedPill19/08/25 09:46 PM
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I’m curious as you’re younger than most guys, how did you initially get into RP and how did you decide to get out of it? I agree that it’s about learning and growing from it all, into a respectful person. You can always turn past negatives into future positives by learning from what went wrong. Also, maybe find a positive male role model, maybe a teacher at school or a cousin/uncle, who lives the values you want to follow and talk to them about stuff. Too many boys are finding role models online…
/r/ExRedPill04/11/24 08:17 AM
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What clicked?
/r/ExRedPill25/10/24 10:41 PM
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The red pill group - are such a bunch of insecure guys who’s ‘value’ comes from exploiting even more insecure guys selling them advice. For guys who can’t detect the insecurity of these men it can be quite convincing and they’re a gateway for misogyny but also making men more insecure and actually less capable of engaging with women in a healthy way
/r/ExRedPill24/10/24 08:49 PM
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you did what you felt you needed most urgently as a result of how you’ve been treated growing up. It’s totally understandable and perhaps you had little choice in the matter as you were developing in a protection mode. Maybe it helped for a time - you learned to look after your body, you learned discipline, you learned to defend yourself - these aren’t a wasted effort. But perhaps growing is realising these get you so far … great… but don’t get you where you ultimately want to be. Try not to jud…
/r/ExRedPill20/10/24 03:36 PM
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Consider talking this through with a therapist who understands abuse and how hustle culture and red pill and all this shit pollutes young male brains. Self improvement culture online isn’t going to help you address the damage your self esteem took from your childhood of being abused and bullied. You can repair it - but it won’t come from a mindset of ‘improving’ yourself, it will likely come from learning how to accept yourself and what you’ve been through. Honestly red pill and Goggins is toxic…
/r/ExRedPill20/10/24 03:13 PM
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