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I mean, if someone brought Ronnie James Dio back from the dead, I'd bang him, and I'm not even gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:18 PM
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I learned it by watching you!!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 01:02 AM
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It's not, that's why they'll use salami tactics!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:14 AM
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Because capital can be exchanged for goods and services.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:36 PM
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Personally, what I want is a youthful-looking woman who is interested in me. The unfortunate truth is that it's easier to look youthful when you're young. And the whole preoccupation with body counts (which I don't personally care about) is about the second part of the sentence, "...who is interested in me." Men are understandably afraid that they won't really be special or have the opportunity to pair-bond with someone who has seen it all a hundred times before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 09:13 PM
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I've been catching up on the r/antiwork drama after the Fox News interview, and although I'm capitalist to the core, I find myself empathizing with the disappointed members. Because in a way, the manosphere fills the same role for men disillusioned with love as r/antiwork fills the role for people disillusioned with professional success. I've always generally found professional success in life, so it's hard for me to imagine that it's hard; after all, I did it. But for a lot of people, paying th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:40 AM
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They may not all be getting rich, but they're still selling drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:37 PM
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If you produce some extremely specific types of pornography that aren't available for free, then I can see that. But niches are by definition small, and your experience is different from the vast majority of OnlyFans/etc. e-girls. There are plenty of girls on those sites making money with basic nudes, what explains their success? The only reasonable explanation is that the guys spending money are harboring crushes for the girl in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:11 PM
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You're confusing legality and morality. Just because something is legal, that doesn't necessarily make it moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:59 PM
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Why? Serious question. If you're correct and they don't care about you personally, then why on earth should they care that your photos come from you specifically? Perhaps the men who are buying your photos are just embarrassed to talk about why they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:57 PM
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If all they want is photos and videos, why are they paying for it instead of getting it for free? There's no lack of free pornography on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:37 PM
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If you don't think there's anything wrong with hurting people, then I don't know what to tell you. Congratulations on being consistent, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:18 PM
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I'm sure this is what heroin dealers tell themselves, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:03 PM
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For starters, OnlyFans is an inherently exploitative platform for the men using it. As many have pointed out, the reason why men pay for OnlyFans when there's so much free porn available is that they want a "girlfriend experience", where the girl actually interacts with them and pretends to like them for money. But it's an illusion, and like paying a drug dealer, you get a brief rush of serotonin and then there's just regret. I've been in the same position as a lot of these men. I've been depres…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:41 PM
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I'm going to sound like a curmudgeon here, but am I the only one annoyed that Christmas is finally over (I don't hate the holiday, it just doesn't mean much to me as a man without a family), and now I'm immediately getting flooded with ads to buy gifts for Valentine's Day? We need a real singles' holiday like they have in China.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 11:19 PM
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Good parenting is a two-person job. If one parent is putting in literally no work at all, then I agree, that's not much better than single parenting. But I've known single parents, and very few grown adults have the energy to work 8-9 hours a day at the office, then commute home, and then give their children all the attention and energy that young kids crave, every single day. The word that comes to mind when I think of the single mothers I've known is "exhausted". It definitely makes a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 11:15 PM
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In the words of Magneto, "Never trust an attractive woman, especially one who's interested in you." I have lots of good female friends and when I meet a new one, I don't have any trust issues as long as we stay platonic, but my trust issues with girls on Tinder are massive. Once sex and dating enter the picture, it's like women become entirely different, and frankly, lacking in compassion or empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 10:56 PM
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The adoption aspect is definitely understandable. I'm not planning on having them either; more what I'm getting at is that there's this unfortunate modern habit of looking at everything as a global problem (and hence insoluble), rather than looking at steps about how to make our own lives better. And yes, I realize the irony of saying this on a redpill subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:00 PM
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What do all these global trends have to do with whether or not to have kids? You're an individual, so are any children you have. Assuming they aren't planning on moving to the third world, those are abstract concerns. Your kids can find a place with good water supplies and move there if needed. And while manufacturing is on the decline as a share of the workforce, all your kids need to do is get one job. And unlike the factory workers who were laid off in their 40s and 50s, your kids will have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:51 PM
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One theory I heard is that they opened wanting to be a respectable platform for artists and musicians, and the pornographers' takeover was unforeseen. I suppose at a certain point, no extra amount of money is worth owning a zero-prestige business.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:07 PM
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Commercial water wars aside, there's still more than groundwater for you and your kids. But this isn't the first Malthusian panic: people have been predicting mass famines and water shortages since the 18th century. OK fine, Canada. But Canada also has tons of unbuilt land; my point still stands. "So you are also leaving them the business that will employ them there, or...?" Jesus, that's the most urbanite thing I've heard in a while. You realize small towns have businesses in them, right? They …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 07:05 PM
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How about vapers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:45 PM
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Sure, let's go there: - Your kids can die in a fire today, of course. But it looks like there were 3704 deaths from wildfires in 2019, as opposed to about 38,000 from auto accidents. I'd be more worried about my kids dying in a car accident. - America's municipal water system is one of the best in the world, but seriously if you don't trust the tap water, buy a home filtration system. You can get some good ones for under $1000, no Nestle required. - There's an excellent chance that your kids can…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:40 PM
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As news descends that OnlyFans is banning sexual content, I was wondering: does anyone know the website well enough to say whether the most popular content is going to be purged? OnlyFans apparently says nudity will continue to be fine, just no videos of people having sex (or at least, that's my interpretation). Does OnlyFans thrive on hardcore content, or are there successful girls who just post artistic nudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:04 PM
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I mean, even if worst-case scenarios come true, your kids may live in a world where a few coastlines are flooded and the weather fluctuates more than it used to. Humanity as a whole is going to be fine; I'd even say something like "just don't buy waterfront property", but hey, the Obamas did and they don't seem worried.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 06:01 PM
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It's also an established meme of sorts, meant to sow dissent between the anti-Islamophobia and pro-feminist wings of the left, because whether you agree or disagree with the statement, you're alienating one of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:09 PM
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Welp, that shows how much I know about celebrities!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:16 PM
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It's my understanding that BMI only really fails to be accurate with super muscular bodybuilders, are there other cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:50 PM
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So I'm not up on my celebrity gossip, but I was wondering something. There are a lot of examples of rich male celebrities dating women young enough to be their daughter (no judgment here). But are there any famous examples of a middle aged female celebrity dating a much younger, very good-looking guy with no money or fame?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:47 PM
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What, are paper Victoria's Secret catalogues too good for you, Mr. Moneybags?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 01:25 AM
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I'm glad you got the attention of the BBC, but I would seriously be wary of drawing causal relationships between offensive media and real-world violence. I lived through the Satanic panic where concerned mothers made the same claims about Dungeons & Dragons or heavy metal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 11:32 PM
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Whereas this is what they're listening to now. (I kid: I don't know your parents.)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 09:07 PM
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You know, I've mentioned the connection between red pill philosophy and romanticizing (or over-romanticizing) one's teenage years. Today I was just reminded of one of my least-favorite examples of pop culture's infatuation with the teenage years: "Jack and Diane" by John Mellencamp. Now, we all know "Jack and Diane" as a prime example of the bullshit Boomer version of Americana that never really existed, but everyone secretly yearns for anyway. But I realized the refrain "Life goes on / Long aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 07:00 PM
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Their biggest problem is that they don't have a cool name. Gen X is infinitely cooler than Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:57 AM
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Huh, you know I really can't think of an analogous mens' brand that held its consumer base hostage for so long. It makes sense, though. The interesting part is that (I suspect) Victoria's Secret is probably relying on men buying lingerie who don't know any better. But the more I hear from women, the more it sounds like they don't want VS bought for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:56 AM
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I trust your analysis: it's in line with what I hear from pretty much every other woman talking about Victoria's Secret. It's funny, though, how many women seem to actively dislike VS as a brand, rather than something like Axe Body Spray, towards which the general attitude is, "Haha, that's crap, but I just won't buy it."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:22 PM
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The fact that nobody would possibly know who Miss Nevada is otherwise probably explains it. American institutions based on gender roles are crumbling, so they may as well make headlines as the ship sinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 07:10 PM
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It's quite interesting that nobody here has difficulty believing that women respond negatively to offensive advertising (the link between VS's out-of-touch ads and their low sales is assumed by every woman in this thread), but somehow it's outrageous to imagine that men could respond negatively to advertising they find offensive. I think that says a lot about how women see their own agency versus that of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:50 PM
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It's clear you don't want to believe it, so there's nothing I can say that you won't dismiss. Still, the correlation is obvious to anyone who looks at their sales and public response around that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:42 PM
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Good point about how sophisticated and successful men are less enticed by sex: I was just mentioning how luxury watches for men are marketed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:21 PM
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Interesting about the watch, I can't tell the brand but I'm curious. Still, luxury watches are marketed towards high net-worth men (and often married) in a way few luxury goods are. Patek Phillipe's slogan is, "You never really own a Patek Phillipe, you just look after it for the next generation." Their commercials tend to feature fatherhood as a central motif: not because of politics, but because the kind of man who can drop tens of thousands on a watch is probably the kind of person who aspire…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 06:18 PM
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It happened in the quarter right after the ad blew up on the internet; there were a lot of news stories written about it at the time. If you want to believe that's a huge coincidence you may, but major brands don't suddenly lose $8 billion for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 05:07 PM
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Yes, P&G lost money because of an $8 billion loss on Gillette. The brand is still huge but it lost a lot of value after backlash from that ad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:13 PM
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Yes, female models in various states of undress are always going to look good to men, but the marketing campaigns are careful to avoid mentions of sex or seduction to their female customer base. Aerie launched its "Aerie Real" campaign promising no skinny models and no Photoshop work, and the message was clear: they were specifically pivoting away from models who were "too sexy" because their customer base didn't want to see it. Also for a bit of anecdotal observation: VS Pink underwear used to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:09 PM
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Other lingerie brands like Aerie and Savage X Fenty were doing the "body positive, no sex" thing first; Victoria's Secret just finally went along with the trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:43 PM
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Gillette is the big example that comes to mind: after their infamous "the best a man can be" commercial that men hated, the Gillette brand took an $8 billion writedown even as Proctor & Gamble's other brands were more profitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:40 PM
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I agree, but companies aren't always right about what sells. "Get woke, go broke" is generally used when companies make bad financial decisions pandering to political activists. I wonder if there's more public appetite for re-sexualized women's commercials, or else, possibly a demand for desexualized men's ads for the "going monk" crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:30 PM
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"Sex sells" is always taken as a truism, but then why is sex scaring away all the female American consumers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:26 PM
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I have always fancied gardening, although I have little experience with it having lived in apartments most of my life. Still, tending an impressive flower garden sounds like fun and good exercise to me, if you have the land for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 03:56 PM
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Yes, tell him. I'm glad my dad told me I looked terrible in a wispy teenage mustache.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 06:01 PM
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Very interesting, thanks for the detailed look. I see what you mean about having more attainable bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 05:59 PM
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Yes, but it's like your favorite show ending: there are other shows to watch but it's still sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:57 PM
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I think the discussion of Victoria's Secret's new marketing strategy missed the point: no one is truly worried about the career prospects of supermodels. It's more that growing up, Victoria's Secret was one of the most iconic brands that represented female sexuality for men. As a teenage boy, their catalog contained some of the most beautiful women I'd ever seen, reinforcing the feminine mystique of the brand. And now it's being changed: not just with heavier models, but also models with distinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 02:48 PM
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There's a hippie girl around 40 I once knew who I thought would make a perfect partner, if she weren't married to someone I knew. She had a kind of free love and acceptance vibe that made her really easy to be around, and I thought would be great for a man with little sexual experience. Plus she had complicated beauty routines, which I personally thought made her more attractive: she was married but still went through great lengths to look good. There was just something about her that said, "I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 07:22 AM
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Well, I'd like to add some context to this. Victoria's Secret has definitely shifted to more gender-ambiguous, less feminine supermodels, but it was one of the last lingerie retailers to do so, and there is a good argument that their latency cost them a lot of money. Aerie, one of their primary competitors, was one of the first to reveal a full campaign featuring non-photoshopped, more "realistic" supermodels, and most women I hear from seem to prefer Aerie to Victoria's Secret. Many women have …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 07:13 AM
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I think Elliot Rodgers was the only incel shooter in America, wasn't he? The other guy with a truck was Canadian.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 03:10 PM
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I just found out that the song "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam was about a high school student who committed suicide by shooting himself in front of his class. And Eddie Vedder said the song also contained elements of another school shooter he knew growing up. It just drives home how much high school can mess you up. We talk here about how high school sucks for everyone, but it's really bad for some people. Makes me sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 09:22 PM
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Admittedly I don't even know if Bangladesh is a still third-world city or a cosmopolitan one: India might well be at China's level of "wanting to copy rich Westerners". But if the answer is 2, I admit that's surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 08:15 PM
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The NYT tries to paint this as class expansion, but it's more class striving. The middle class has always strived to emulate the upper classes: I remember an article (I can't find the link) which shows a cycle in popular baby names: certain baby names find popularity among the upper classes; the middle classes start naming their babies that way to raise their status; those names become known as middle-class names; the upper classes discard those names and pick new favorites. So it should come as…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 05:31 PM
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Haha, actually I went to the Twitter thread and the person who wrote the tweet mistyped the figures. Makes more sense! Also, I missed the "bruh" in the above post, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:39 PM
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My brokerage account balances beg to differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:38 PM
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Right, and whoever said the economy had to be fair, either? I've got plenty of money but I can guarantee that there were some times when I could have made even more money, and it didn't bother me one bit. So what? Wall Street is under no obligation to provide me with returns. None. And even if I ever ran low on money, I'd have two options: make more, or become a filthy poor person. Complaining about capitalism is just asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:16 PM
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Unless I'm missing something, you're mistaken. Using a compound interest calculator, $50 a month at an annual rate of 10% (an optimistic projection for an index fund or blue-chip stock fund), after 30 years of compounding interest, you'd have...about $100k. The million seems better.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:13 PM
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We've all heard videogames be blamed for everything, and yes, it is harder to have sex when you're living with your parents. But the bit I'd like to know more about is less drinking. For starters, is it really true that young people drink less, or are they just self-reporting less? The data provided in the study only went up to 12th grade, which tells us very little about actual alcohol consumption since high schoolers have a big incentive to lie, and they can't go out to bars and clubs anyway. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 03:48 PM
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You've got to find a niche fetish that has very few people making content for it, and even still, I've never made more than a few hundred a year off it. No, I'm not going to get more specific, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 03:38 PM
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>Lives in unfree country >Hates on freedom Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 08:21 PM
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So that's what I've been doing wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:10 PM
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This is America, if someone wants to legally carry in public, who am I to say no? I'll bet that the majority of guns purchased by either sex are never seriously fired at another person in their lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 03:42 PM
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I'll bet this is true for a lot of men, but I think with early retirement gaining traction we're seeing a lot of lifelong bachelors, myself included, spend on the kind of home and lifestyle a bachelor wants. Of course, that opens up all sorts of discussions about Peter Pan manboys spending their money on childish toys rather than producing grist for the Social Security mill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 03:34 PM
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Good to know, I never thought "man loses toupee" jokes were that funny, or that there was anything ridiculous about wanting your hair to look good in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 03:22 PM
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Growing up, "man wearing an obvious cheap toupee" was a comedy staple, so I think I'd be wary of wearing anything like a toupee, especially if it can fall off or be removed in public. There might be something closer to a weave that could be more permanent, you don't want to be "that guy" wearing an obvious hairpiece.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 04:21 PM
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Wow, I've actually never seen Saturday Night Fever, I had no idea. I kind of feel like I ought to see it, in the same way I ought to see Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/21 12:02 AM
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Interesting history, I just wanted to say, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 11:15 PM
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All things to think about, as soon as I get back to the exhausting analytic work I mean fun, of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:45 PM
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Sorry to hear that, the Portland proper real estate market has been on fire for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:43 PM
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Well, my sex drive must work differently then: it takes a while to warm up, and afterwards there's just a stark realization that I'm the only one in the room. Heck, "post-nut clarity" is often used to describe the jarring shift from enjoying porn to not enjoying it at all: I'm sure you know that. There's nobody to emotionally bond with after it's over.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:43 PM
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Well personally, and here's where it may just be me: most pleasures like eating or drinking slowly taper off and leave you with a positive recollection afterwards. Finishing one's business to porn ends suddenly and leave you with only a vague sense of disappointment that you've wasted this much of a perfectly good day. I've never looked back and thought, "Dear me, that was a nice masturbation session I had last week, what halcyon days those were." If something continually disappoints afterward, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:21 PM
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Question for debate: what do people think of the "Nordic Model" for sex workers: i.e. selling sex is decriminalized, buying sex is still a crime? Well, I can guess what the men think of it, but are the women in favor or against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 09:01 PM
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Pay all the people who give you joy and entertainment. An interesting way of putting it. Would you say that watching porn brings you joy, per se? I can't say that's the word I would have chosen. And yes, video games have brought me joy before. Disco Elysium is a game every Planescape: Torment fan must play.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:58 PM
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I actually wrote pirate erotica, technically for money but we're talking twenty bucks a month. I was rather proud of having twenty pages of how galleon steering and sailors' knots work before getting to the sex. That said, it's a very small audience that appreciates it, or can maintain an erection through an discussion of harpoon storage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:23 PM
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It's well established that college tuition and healthcare costs have been rising at a much higher rate than inflation, yes. But property values are all about location, location, location. I have been to some nowhere towns in flyover country where the houses are still very cheap.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:20 PM
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Well, first dates rarely offer the kind of situations to get barefoot, and brushing hands across the table is rarely something that rarely seems to happen. Leaving with no touching at all makes it barely feel like a date, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 08:10 PM
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Can't say much about London, or the UK in general, but I understand the Lake District has always been pricey, and from this side of the pond I'm hard pressed to think of a third desirable place to live in England (I kid, sort of).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:58 PM
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I've had quite a few dates that have involved each of the steps mentioned above, but when the time comes to part ways and I try some kind of physical contact like an arm around the shoulder, she very often pulls away reflexively. Yeah, I know, I'm not doing it right somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:56 PM
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What current generations don't get is that if you want to replicate that kind of real estate success, you've gotta move to a city that isn't trendy or popular yet. Find the next Portland or Seattle and scoop up some real estate there. Of course, finding that city is the trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:49 PM
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I'd say it's increasingly because meeting people through online dating is becoming the norm (designated social spaces in meatspace being all but extinct outside of bars), and much ink has been spilled about why online dating is terrible for everyone but men especially (men outnumber women on dating sites, and the entire format is built to disqualify people who don't photograph well or just don't look that good).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:48 PM
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The "touch" part is generally where it goes awry for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 07:41 PM
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Oof, that article was written by a hiring manager all right. And in my experience, the question hiring managers never ask themselves is, "What if no one wants to work for me because my company sucks?" Similarly, this guy might have hired some truly great developers and turned them into uninspired clock-punchers with a focus on "corporate culture" that employees unfailingly hate. It's not them, it's you. But it can be used as a metaphor for OLD, too. Notice how he is forced to acknowledge that pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 03:26 PM
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It's really pointless to argue about "objectifying" women without laying out a clear dictionary definition as to what "objectification" means. Being the object of a verb is not a moral issue; e.g. in the sentence "My dog has fleas", the dog is the subject and the fleas are the object.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 02:58 PM
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I feel my relationship with porn is different than what most men describe. The fear concerning porn has always been with "extreme" forms of pornography; like Randy from South Park said, "Once you've seen Japanese schoolgirls vomiting into each others' mouths, you can't just go back to Playboy!" So the concern is that you're teaching your body to associate arousal with situations that don't occur in regular dating, thus making it hard to maintain an erection when it's time for "boring" vanilla se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/21 07:42 PM
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Amy Schumer isn't the only one to do this kind of comedy; Sarah Silverman was doing it before her, although I think Silverman's act had more of an impact because she actually was attractive and didn't look like the kind of person who would make graphic jokes about bodily functions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 08:37 PM
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Isn't this just the gender-swapped version of "men have porn-induced erectile dysfunction"? The answer to that is always "Guys, it's your own fault, step away from the computer and just go outside!" So yeah, just step away from the vibrators and go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:20 PM
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It's no fun when you're bad at it, then it's an obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:15 PM
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It's not just Tinder as a platform: pretty much all dating apps have taken to copying Tinder's model since it's proven to be the most profitable. So if online dating sites are all off the table, and picking up women at bars is off the table too (I imagine you'd have similar reservations about it), where are men supposed to go? I can tell from personal experience that the "find a hobby" advice isn't very good: it's much harder to pick up women at something like a yoga class where they'd rather be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:05 PM
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Absolutely awful for men. I'm not bad looking but I generally have to send out dozens of messages to get one serious shot at a date, which means I'm not functionally choosing my partners at all, they're getting chosen for me by default. I'm convinced it does serious harm to my self-confidence to spend too much time on these platforms, they can send me spiraling into full-blown depression when faced with that much concentrated rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:51 PM
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Let's put aside the question of whether or not generalizations about a gender can be accurate (I believe they can be, or else flirting with strangers would be functionally impossible). Men on this subreddit are largely concerned with meeting women in a romantic context, and studies show that online dating is the most common way to meet a partner. So why shouldn't men looking for romantic opportunities focus on the most popular platform for doing so? If men see consistent behaviors on Tinder, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:48 PM
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I'm unmarried, but I should emphasize that there's a big difference between being attracted to a middle-aged stranger, and being attracted to your middle-aged wife who has been with you for years. Spousal love develops over time (so I understand), so that it goes beyond simple physical attraction, but it does have to start there. So claiming that women get less attractive as they age (the red pill position) doesn't mean that every woman becomes undesirable, it means you should ideally start forg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 05:42 PM
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There is no body positivity movement for men because the body positivity movement was born out of advertising campaigns like the Dove Campaign For Real Beauty and the similar campaigns that came after that. Online body positivity advocates are just riding the coattails of an advertising-created phenomenon. And there is no comparable movement for men because men don't consume enough luxury body-related goods to be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 09:39 PM
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I'd argue that the preparation of food for someone is an act of love, and that more than meal quality is what makes "a home-cooked meal" appealing to many.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 09:08 PM
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Well since this is The Atlantic, I knew this was going to be presented as a "three cheers for infidelity" article, rather than encouraging people to maybe work a little harder at monogamy before you give up on it. But since they won't condemn infidelity (at least, when women do it), it leaves the author in the odd position of having to write about a relationship problem without being able to recommend any fixes besides "go ahead and cheat". ​ It’s not uncommon for women to let their straight par…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 04:59 PM
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As someone who has recently been to therapy, which among other reasons was to address my dating life, I'd like to respond to this. > The one thing most men can't do is express their feelings This stereotype is not, in my experience, generally accurate. Men don't like discussing their problems when there are no solutions available, but will source solutions when one is possible. This focus on "opening up" to people who likely do not have solutions to your problems is not generally helpful. When I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 04:38 PM
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No Yes, but not because high school was a uniquely amazing place. If I had gone off to college and suddenly had great romantic success, I doubt I'd spare high school a second thought. But for me, high school set the tone for college to follow: I didn't experience romance or sex as a student, and then I would go on to not experience them as a young man in his twenties. If I'd had my way, I would have liked to experience romance during all these times in my life, and at least have some memories an…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 07:23 PM
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Well, it's easy to romanticize something you never had, and for many guys in this situation, that was the first romantic something they never had. Experiences during your formative years can have a huge impact down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 06:48 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't know since I've never had a close romantic partner. But you and others assure me that I am missing out on absolutely nothing, because tomorrow might be the first day that you meet the person of your dreams. I can't technically disprove that, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 06:17 PM
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Well, if all you're saying is "anything can happen in the future", then I certainly can't disprove that. Sure, tomorrow can bring anything. I, on the other hand, never said that I would only accept high school romance; I said that was where a long pattern of being unsuccessful at love began. The corollary to that is that other people are out there having first experiences with their partners, learning firsthand about being in love, while you're standing there on the sidelines. If you don't under…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 05:33 PM
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What do you mean, "open myself up to those feelings"? I'm not surrounded by women my own age professing passionate love to me, but rejecting them because they're not in school. Is that what you think my life is like? It's great that you've had multiple fantastic romances at every stage in life, but as you may have gathered, that is not the typical life experience of a lot of men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:58 PM
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Well naturally, no one looks fondly on one-sided situations like that. The whole point is that you wish it was mutual. Now hey, maybe your specific high school experience was that absolutely no one was in any relationships, but that wasn't my experience, and I don't think that was most people's experience either. To be honest, I'm not really sure I believe that more people in their forties than in their teens are falling in passionate, unconditional love. Our passions cool as we get older, that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:14 PM
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It seems to me that you're setting the bar a bit high for "romance", using the word to mean something like a soulmate bond. That's not what I (and most other men) meant by it. I mean something closer to, "the physical and emotional affection shared in a relationship", to distinguish romance from sex. Missing out on having someone to hold, kiss, share experiences with: that can be difficult even if you say those bonds weren't "true" love.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:49 PM
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OK, so I'll be charitable in my interpretation here and assume your point was that having sex does not equate to actual romance; the observation about nerds having sex was tangential to the point and really only meant as a dig at me (It's your fault you didn't have sex, feel bad about it.) If that is indeed your point, then let's say that guys who missed out wanted sex in the framework of a relationship, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:36 PM
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Wait, so most of the people in your high school weren't having sex, but the few who did were all in the band club and the debate team? And absolutely none of the nerd couples in question were in boyfriend/girlfriend romantic relationships, they just had their sex all business-like and didn't talk outside of that? That's an unusual sounding high school you've got there. Perhaps it's not indicative of the average American high school, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:27 PM
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I don't know what high school you went to, but the nerds at mine were most definitely not having nerd orgies. And frankly, "if you didn't have sex in high school, it's your own fault" is a bunch of nonsense: I never tried chasing the popular girls but I still couldn't find a girlfriend myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 03:11 PM
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Dang, I'm legitimately jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 02:20 PM
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I'm a guy, I just chose an analogy for first-world problems: they may be real, but no one will feel sorry for you for having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:57 PM
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Oh, I entirely understand that high school romance ain't what it's cracked up to be. (I understand this because I've been told so, not by experience.) But that's sort of my point: it holds such a strong influence in the imagination, that it's key in understanding the psychology of "missing out".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:28 AM
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To be honest I was assuming a male target audience with this post, but you've definitely had your own struggles and I respect that. It's good to know there are people on both sides of the gender divide who are still figuring this whole thing out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 11:17 PM
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Funny euphemisms for getting laid Counter-argument: Hookers are $100 an hour with the room. Why spend years spiraling into depression about lost opportunities if it's all about $100?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 11:14 PM
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I had a chance that I handled very poorly, but I did know friends with girlfriends at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 11:00 PM
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I think this is one of those cases where a Lamborghini is a terrible car to actually own on a daily basis, but everyone wants to try owning one regardless and can't really be talked out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 10:55 PM
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I'm not going to say "it's no big deal", but I will say as an older guy that you have plenty of time. Women do not actually all become fixated on resource procurement in their late twenties as the manosphere would have you believe. That window of time where you can be chosen for "who you are" is wider than just 16-24.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 08:04 PM
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I understand, it does sort of bother me that all my meaningful steps into adulthood have already been taken alone. It would have been nice to share some first times with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 07:45 PM
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I guess the better question would be: what if you made it to thirty with no real romantic experience? Would you start to wonder then if you'd missed some important milestones, starting with high school?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 07:42 PM
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An actually concise response: if you believe that all sex is an exercise of power and all power is sexual, that probably says a lot more about you than it does about the rest of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 06:10 PM
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Interestingly, almost no one has directly rejected me, this is almost always the way it goes. It's not that unusual I suppose, people are conflict-averse. I don't consider my texting persona to be too much different than who I am in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 05:18 PM
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I'm not sure how OK it is; there's always an unknown unknown, and it never gets explained to me. When it's been years since you've had a second date, you start wondering just what those unknowns could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 05:02 PM
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When it happens 100% of the time, you start looking for something to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 05:00 PM
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I'm a bit nerdy but we kept the conversation on things she liked, like Harry Potter. I honestly think I look good in a possible metrosexual way, thin and slightly effeminate but with good features and hair. I actually had a good sense of connection, in that there weren't any lulls in the conversation and we agreed on a lot. The only answer I have is that I'm "nice but not sexually attractive", or else I should have escalated physically somehow to generate more attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:48 PM
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About 30, about 40 respectively. We went out for drinks and ended up talking quite a bit, it seemed like we had similar interests. I didn't do anything dreadfully wrong, so I'm left assuming that there must have been something I didn't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:45 PM
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It was good before the first date, then she said she'd text me when she got home and didn't. I sent her a "I had a good time" text that night and got no response. I messaged her again the next evening and got "Oh, did I not text you? I forgot." Suggested a second date and it's been over 24 hours since a response. Yes, I'm not going to salvage this, but what am I consistently doing that causes this to always happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:33 PM
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OK, let's crowdsource this problem. I am currently in the process of being ghosted by a first date that I thought went well; she's now letting more than 24 hours go by without a response, and quite clearly hoping that I get the hint and stop texting her. Should I just come out and say, "OK, give me some advice here, what did I do wrong that I could improve in the future?"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:08 PM
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Well I haven't read those specific books so I can't comment on whether they offer better advice or not. But it might be more illustrative to review those books and point out where their specific advice differs from red pill orthodoxy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:55 PM
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So what are those other resources, the ones that will specifically improve someone's romantic and sexual success? Because you haven't shared those yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:43 PM
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Like "not being depressed", that's a goal, not a plan to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:40 PM
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My point is that if your proposed solution is something that everyone has already tried, maybe it's not such a great solution. That's like saying, "You don't need therapy for your depression. Have you tried not being depressed? It worked for me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:36 PM
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But everyone knows these things. Everyone knows that good health is important and that having social skills is a good thing. If these obvious pieces of advice were enough to fix people's problems, why would anyone look into the red pill in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:33 PM
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Well, let's discuss your alternative, since your argument is that the red pill has a better and simpler alternative. 1.) Take care of your health - This is so generalized as to be meaningless. Show me one person alive who isn't "trying to take better care of their health". The traditional redpill way of phrasing this is "hit the gym and lift", which at least has the advantage of being more specific (building glamour muscles is a more achievable goal than to "be healthy" in general.) 2.) Learn so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 03:14 PM
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Well, the guy in question was completely insane, so yes, I believe he had some idea of government rationing to make sure everyone had their fill at the trough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 10:15 PM
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Socialism, in the Marxist sense of the word, is the public ownership of the means of production. Distribution of wealth, post-labor, without addressing labor's relationship to capital ownership, is just the modern Frankenstein's monster known as "democratic socialism", which means whatever its adherents want it to this week. Long story short, the real socialists of the dating world are those who believe the government should own the means of (re)production, like that old regular in the drama sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:59 PM
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I was going to go to a museum for a date until they cancelled on me. I say stick to antiquity exhibits and stay away from the post-modernist material, lest you run out of different ways to say, "What kind of low-effort bullshit is this?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:54 PM
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Not at all, who told you that? Pride is most definitely an aspect of male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 05:20 PM
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I don't think this is true, as I have seen (and belonged to) male social circles where the members had vastly different amounts of sexual experience (and success). This mostly happens in social circles that are formed as you get older, which tend to be focused around shared activities like work or hobbies, rather than the in-crowd/out-crowd social circles that get formed when you're still a student. However, I will say that most men I've known have little to no interest in intervening in their f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:40 PM
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I'd argue that paying for a prostitute isn't considered "real" experience by most men and women. There's a shared understanding that no one pays for sex unless they absolutely cannot get it for free, hence the embarrassment because it's an open admission that the man can't prove himself. I can't speak for women, but most men would consider a man like that to be effectively still a virgin, and in need of help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:25 PM
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Eh, it's the whole r/nongolfers problem: you can't build an entire community about not liking X without ending up discussing X a lot. (Non-golfers was originally a satire of r/atheism, pointing out that atheists spend an awful lot of time talking about God only to reach the same conclusions every time.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 06:00 PM
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I take a different view: body positivism was the creation of advertising agencies, later adopted by body positivists because they liked the message and wanted more of it. As near as I can figure, one of the first mainstream body-positive ads was the Dove Campaign for Real Beauty. You'll notice after the success of this campaign, other women-targeted brands started using plus-size models as well. Aerie started making a big point to use plus-size, non-photoshopped models, and eventually Victoria's…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 05:51 PM
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Personally, I like it when women wear makeup, because it shows they pay attention to their personal appearance. I pay attention to my appearance as well, and I think it sends the message that I want to make myself pleasant to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 02:36 PM
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That's true, a lot of the promotion- and raise-seeking behavior in men could be attributed to disagreeableness rather than just married men feeling the compulsion to be breadwinners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:46 PM
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Interesting theory, but as I understand it this kind of variance is already accounted for in the same field/experience corrections that get the wage gap to 94-98% of men. My personal theory is that the remaining 2-6% is mostly accounted for by the fact that men (especially married men) are typically more aggressive in asking for raises and promotions, although I don't have specific figures to back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 10:26 PM
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There technically is a gender pay gap, if you compare all workers across all fields. The general argument against this is that it is an apples-to-oranges comparison since men and women tend to choose different fields. American Progress gives several explanations for the gap: Differences in industries or jobs worked Differences in years of experience Differences in hours worked Discrimination Men tend to gravitate towards higher-paying industries (when comparing men and women in the same field wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 08:14 PM
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Something about beggars being choosers comes to mind. My track record is so poor that I must be doing something wrong; I may as well try and figure out what.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:23 PM
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This reminds me of a bit from "The Fountainhead", where Ayn Rand described two of the story's antagonists having sex with each other "because they had heard that was what men and women were supposed to do." Of course, Rand believed in (what I believe is Frued's) theory of psychosexual energy: that highly creative people have high libidos and a low libido was a sign of creative stagnation. I respectfully disagree with her on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:01 PM
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Hey, I'm not particularly in denial about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:59 PM
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I posted this elsewhere but I thought I'd share it here since it's dating-related. So last week I did what a single guy is supposed to do: I went to a bar and summoned up the courage to approach a woman there. She seemed suspiciously attractive to be drinking alone, but I end up talking to her and enjoying it. She's a bit ambiguous about her job, but it involves bars from what I gather. Oh well, I don't push too hard. I get her phone number and she says she'd enjoy seeing me soon. I leave feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 05:55 PM
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OK, let me lay it out for you: - Two partners have been living together after a "commitment ceremony" of some kind, in which they presented themselves as a couple to others. - Those partners eventually break up. - One partner, who wants a claim on the assets of the other, hires a lawyer and says that their partner did, at least once, say that they wanted to be married and presented themselves as married to others. Since it's difficult to prove a negative, it comes down to he-said-she-said.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 09:10 PM
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The 7 years thing is a myth, but my point is that it's possible upon breakup for one party to claim that they were in a common law marriage if they want to lay claim to assets. In that case they would have to claim that their partner at least once said they wanted to be married, and that they presented themselves as being married to others. These disputes do happen from time to time. In any case, common law marriage is similar enough to what the OP is describing. It's not full marriage but it st…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:58 PM
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True, but that's hard to prove, especially when one partner intends it and the other doesn't. In cases like that it's up to a judge to determine intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:33 PM
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There are some Christian redpill bloggers like Dalrock and Wintery Knight, who basically tell men that if they're going to marry, marry young and marry a churchgoing woman when you're both in your early to mid twenties and both committed to lifelong monogamy. Dalrock has a bit about interviewing a prospective wife which is obviously heavily Christian, but boils down to the idea that marriages are best formed when both parties are young and have yet to become jaded by the dating market. He says i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:01 PM
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What you're describing is common law marriage, which exists in a number of states. As I understand it, the same division of property issues exist when two common-law partners get divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:46 PM
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That is true, there's a different context to that date depending on who ordered the big entree. Of course, it's the alcohol that ends up inflating the price before you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:40 PM
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I occasionally spend that much on meals for celebrations with friends. I say: it's appropriate for a best friend's birthday, but way too much for a first date, and I say that as a man who's been on a lot of first date and much fewer second dates. That said, it's nobody's fault for ordering what looks good on the menu, rather, you just shouldn't take a first date to a restaurant where that's the cost of two good entrees plus drinks. You won't look good taking a date to an expensive restaurant and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 07:23 PM
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Yes, and the religious right is considered part of the "traditional conservative" movement, which is what "tradcon" is short for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 11:47 PM
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The religious right has always been in favor of marriage and against hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 10:40 PM
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Occasionally, tradcons and feminists get together to fantasize about how much better things would be if women unionized and refused sex to anyone who wasn't willing to put a ring on it first. Unlikely to happen to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 08:50 PM
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Usually when I hear women cautioning men to "respect boundaries", they mean respecting the woman's physical boundaries and personal space, that's all. It's not really central to the point being made anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 06:08 PM
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I imagined a different definition of boundaries, like "no touching without affirmative consent".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 06:03 PM
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I believe that instead of trading their "nice card" outright, they need to instead develop other relational skills like self respect, boundaries, confidence and self esteem, and understand that if a relationship isn't reciprocal and mutual they should simply move on. I disagree; men who are "too nice to be sexy" already have ample understandings of boundaries. As for the other three, they're synonyms, and the problem is: confidence comes from success, not self-reflection. I'm not confident in my…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/21 05:51 PM
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I do hope so. We're not in contact anymore but I think about him on occasion; I hope he'll grow up to be a fine young man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 11:30 PM
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I had a friend (not with benefits, just a friend) who was a single mom. I don't think until after I really got to know her how miserably exhausting it is to be a single working mother. Her toddler was a little bundle of energy who wanted nothing more than to be chased in circles until he was too tired to stand, and he always had to be the center of attention. Her whole life was: wake up, go to work, pick up her kid from daycare, and spend every remaining minute of consciousness looking after him…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:43 PM
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This isn't gonna sound super alpha, as a guy my goal was always an attractive girlfriend. Not a wife, mind you, a girlfriend. My dating history is quite sparse and I can't really say I ever had a girlfriend that I was both attracted to and had a lot in common with. At 40 now, I want to act and date like I'm still 25 (except with more money), but that probably means attracting younger women if I want someone who is attractive, childless, and not concerned about marriage. I had this idea that my t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/21 08:33 PM
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I admit, this is a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 11:42 PM
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It's perhaps not so surprising, since Confucian family values are still very prominent in China. From what I understand, divorce is still highly frowned upon in China, so men are expected to take on the head-of-household responsibilities for life. I also hear that Confucian views towards the extended family provide a safety net for elderly family members, in the absence of any kind of national Chinese pension system. Perhaps it's not surprising that the Chinese government is very concerned about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 11:37 PM
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Thanks, I'm getting a mostly positive response here so that does sound like a good approach!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 11:08 PM
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I thought this for a long time, until I finally started buying higher-end products and developing a routine. Now I can say with complete certainty that good styling and moisturizing products are worth the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 11:00 PM
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For curly hair it's a lot harder. At longer lengths it gets dry and frizzy very easily due to all the exposed surface area, you need tons of oils to keep it looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 07:16 PM
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Interesting, I've never seen them stocked at the big hair retailers, but I'll keep them in mind!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 06:49 PM
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MoroccanOil is also really good for curly hair, but only Sephora carries it and it's never on sale.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 06:41 PM
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I have curly hair so I use special textured hair products. TGIN and Curlsmith are my favorites right now. I use co-wash and sometimes rinse-out conditioner, with a leave-in moisturizer and styling gel or soufflé after I get out of the shower. I was gong to try Pattern but they are way too expensive right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 06:18 PM
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There's a thin line between appearing amusingly self-absorbed and too much so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 06:13 PM
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Question for women: say a woman compliments a man she's just met on his hair, and asks him how he keeps it looking so lustrous. Which is the better response? (Truth): "I get my haircare from Ulta. I use four different salon products, and once a week I use a deep conditioning protein treatment under low heat." (Lie): "I dunno, it just happens, you know?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 06:02 PM
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OK, SMBC often annoys me, but I have to admit that was good :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 05:29 PM
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1) working on yourself/learning to love yourself and 2) expanding your EQ and having a better understanding of people (yes people in general, not just the gender(s) you want to date). That is the only "strategy" there really is. You see, #1 is just an empty platitude ("love yourself" sounds much more profound than it actually is), while #2 is actually much larger than you're making it sound. Having a better understanding of people includes understanding what behaviors are attractive to the oppos…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 05:18 PM
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I imagine most incels would be quite pleased if an older woman were to flirt with them and show clear signs of interest. Unless, of course, you're using "incel" as a generalized term for any kind of red-pill man, which is an inaccurate use of terminology. The kinds of pickup artists who make a big show of their high standards aren't generally the sort who sit around blaming their height for failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:38 PM
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What are "Michael Jordan jeans"? Does Michael Jordan wear particularly unfashionable jeans?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:50 PM
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It's quite a coincidence that the most beautiful woman/man in the world is always a celebrity, isn't it? What are the odds? Just once I'd like to see a magazine saying, "We found the most beautiful woman in the world, she's a subsistence farmer in a country you've never heard of."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:35 PM
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You know, of all the Joker moments in that movie, I still don't know why everyone latched onto this line for a meme format.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:28 PM
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Everyone wants to experience attraction and to be with a partner they're attracted to. I don't fault anyone for wanting that. I think the source of the criticism is the (supposed) use of height as a deal-breaker before attraction has a chance to organically blossom. In other words, the difference is between "I refuse to date you if [physical characteristic]", rather than, "I've dated you for a while, and the attraction just isn't there, because of [physical characteristic]."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:16 PM
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Gender politics aside, I kind of feel like the last thing Americans need to do is to pledge to pay more attention to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:09 PM
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I really don't see why sexbots get so much discussion since no one alive today will live to see them. We still can't make humanoid robots that can walk like people or use opposable thumbs convincingly; before sexbots exist those things will have to be cheap technology, which means that every form of physical labor will be performed by machines, which means we'll see mass unemployment when almost everybody except IT workers become superfluous in the labor market. I'm not saying these things are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:06 PM
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I'm not the first one to point it out, but that whole premise is dumb because human bodies need more energy to survive than they produce in waste heat. It would be more efficient to just kill all the humans and grow ethanol to burn for fuel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:11 PM
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I've honestly never met a person in real life who didn't consider themselves to be at least a decent judge of character, so that's hardly odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:05 PM
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In my experience it depends on which platform you use. Oddly enough, I found that Hinge tried very hard to push me towards overweight women. But make no mistake, the platforms know which of their members are attractive and which aren't, which is why I noticed the most attractive members of the opposite sex are shown to you on the first day you sign up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 04:58 PM
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As a demisexual (or thereabouts), my experience has been the opposite: I would rather take things slowly and develop a long-term relationship, but most women expect sex by the third date or it's treated as a friendship. Similarly, if as a man I don't push for sex, it's taken as a sign that I'm not attracted to her. And since my texting tends to be non-sexual, nearly all partners I get matched with on dating sites tend to tire of me quickly. I suspect that even if women don't want to have sex rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 10:29 PM
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Ah, I see. I've heard of the Sultan of Brunei, he regularly ranks among the top 10 richest people in the world. Rich Islamic countries do regularly bring up this kind of moral quandary when it comes to Westerners doing business with them. I wonder if Marina specifically calls out Islam in any of her songs? Because that would be venturing into controversy, as opposed to the safe, corporate-approved feminism in this song.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:52 PM
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Considering the song by itself (I'm not familiar with her other music), there isn't really anything in this song that explains why she thinks it's a man's world. Someone called her a bitch, apparently, and she likens that to the Salem Witch Trials, which seems perhaps a tad extreme. The sheik she mentions in the second verse is relevant, I grant: there's little debate that Saudi Arabia is a man's world, but we aren't in Saudi Arabia. And her final complaint is that "Mother Nature's dying", which…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 09:26 PM
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Those chelsea boots are legitimately not bad. Not sure about the side zipper but otherwise sharp.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 09:54 PM
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Clearly the manosphere provides man-centric advice; it's specifically meant to be a male space. The advice to men is, "respond to the current incentives as they stand, instead of how you wish they were." The caution to men against marriage is that if women view marriage as "the end of fun", as seen in women like the "2.3 Bonus Years" writer, then a man who belongs in the "boring but stable" category is likely to get trapped in a loveless marriage to someone who resents the fact that the party ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:56 PM
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I'm not sure I buy the "weddings are expensive" argument: I don't think there is a huge amount of couples who would love to get married right now, but they're saving up cash for that floral arrangement. Especially given how much Americans love their credit cards. True, more cohabitation is probably contributing to the higher average, but according to the link only 7% of unmarried adults were cohabiting, and adults 18-34 are still considerably more likely to be living alone than cohabiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 08:31 PM
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Well, Sheryl Sandburg didn't invent that idea; she was simply echoing a view of relationships which was prevalent among Gen-X an older millenial women. I would argue this was the prevailing view of marriage for quite a while: "first fun, then marriage" as two discrete periods. I recall an article in the NYT called "I Want My 2.3 Bonus Years", in which the (female) author laments that she didn't she didn't squeeze every last bit of anonymous sex and wild parties out of her single years before mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 07:45 PM
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It's a case of "bad for the individual, but probably good for society if everyone followed the plan in good faith." But yeah, it's only rational to do this when seeing how the world actually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:58 PM
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OK, I don't know what you're arguing anymore. You have misunderstood the premise of the question because of unfamiliarity with redpill lingo. He was not asking about the legalization of sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:06 PM
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It's established that the average age of marriage is going up compared to previous generations. If you believe women in their early twenties are currently looking for husbands, but just not finding proper candidates, that's one theory. However, manosphere wisdom tends to hold that most women are encouraged to follow the Sheryl Sandburg model of dating, as expressed in her quote: "When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:05 PM
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I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Yes, sex workers use dating sites as platforms when they can. Yes, there are good arguments for legalizing sex work. But I think you misunderstood the OP's question; the phrase "sexual marketplace" is a redpill term that refers to modern dating in general, not sex work specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:58 PM
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Possibly true, but there's something to be said for going through those changes alongside someone, and going through those changes as a couple. I'm not sure I agree with the modern wisdom that you should only marry once your life is completely secured and you can predict the future with certainty. But of course, there's nothing wrong with waiting if you don't feel you're ready for marriage yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:56 PM
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"Sexual marketplace" is common manosphere parlance for "the modern dating scene", and I interpreted it that way. The phrase usually doesn't refer to sex work in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:53 PM
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A marketplace can have an end goal, and the OP presented loneliness despite frequent sex as being the problem for women. But I don't argue with your statement about sex workers, so I don't know if we're disagreeing on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:45 PM
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I can't argue with your logic, but I thought the problem being presented here was long-term loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:37 PM
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It apparently is to a lot of men; there is a huge market for lonely men with too much money looking for partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:37 PM
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The more reasonable prescription is for women in their early twenties to pursue husbands around their age, which in turn would send messages to young men that cultivating the qualities of a good husband would pay off. All the articles asking "why are young men not working harder to become providers?" tend to ignore the fact that men in their early twenties see that their female peers aren't looking for husbands just yet, so why should they present themselves as husband material? Saying that it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:35 PM
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> I know, but do the genes outweigh the hate ? I'm not sure what you mean. I already said no one wants children who hate them, but I also said that it's better to have biological children of your own than children who are not related to you. If you put a gun to my head and asked me to choose between biological children who are guaranteed to hate me, or stepchildren who are guaranteed to love me, no third option, then clearly I'd choose the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:19 PM
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Being hateful is, of course, never productive. But any realistic solutions have to occur at the individual level, since a widespread swing towards strict monogamy seems unlikely to happen. At the individual level for women, it's widely accepted in the manosphere that the solution is simply "Don't get too greedy having meaningless flings forever; find a husband relatively early." For sexless men, the only real solution (aside from dropping out of the game) is to learn pickup artistry or somehow m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 05:11 PM
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Rather than chemicals polluting our precious bodily fluids, here's another theory: this exceptional youthfulness in women is a largely online phenomenon caused by the overuse of Snapchat filters, whose main purpose is to make skin look impossibly smooth and hence makes the person look younger. But when you leave the internet and go into the real world, I don't see an abundance of impossibly young-looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 03:51 PM
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Nobody wants biological kids that hate them, that's a given. "How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child!" As for the stepchildren option, one of the reasons that is less appealing than having biological kids is precisely because the bonds of non-kinship are weaker. Any child is still going to want to know who their real father is eventually, if only to know where their genetic traits come from. And I've seen statistics that show that stepchildren are less likely to care …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 02:39 PM
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Well, I definitely feel like those aren't the only options, and the OP is clearly trying to steer people towards option #1. How about I pick and choose, in an ideal world? One (and not zero) genetic offspring. As many partners as the individual likes, perhaps following the Sheryl Sandberg model of "screw a lot in your twenties, then settle down". Be wealthy, powerful, and successful; if people fear you, that's a plus. Die with some people who care about you and delegate your estate as you see fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 01:42 AM
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That's very true of apartment living, but married couples are more likely to move to suburban communities where everyone lives in a house and they do know their neighbors. But yes, I have no idea who lives next to me in my apartment, except that the people above me keep throwing trash off their balcony.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 05:51 PM
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I will say, sadly, that asexual/demisexual Meetups tend more towards LGBT+ activism and pride parades than towards the specific challenges of non-ONS individuals. That's been my experience in multiple cities :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 04:15 AM
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Well, voluntary charity beats coerced redistribution, and the manosphere has long been saying that coerced child support is the new replacement for fathers voluntarily proving for their children. It's going to be one or the other, and charity is better from a libertarian point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 04:06 AM
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I feel what you're saying. Mankind has always needed some kind of system, be it religious, patriotic, or just humanist, to cause people to look beyond their own rational self-interest. A society of solipsists cannot function. But what else can you be, except a solipsist, when no one has your back but everyone expects you to have theirs? I'm not a blackpill doomer by any means, but when a generation of men have no ties to their community, what can we expect except Galt's Gulch, where survival of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 04:00 AM
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Thanks for the thoughtful response. I do feel you that "demisexual" isn't the most flattering of terms; on a related note, when I told my family I thought I was "asexual", the response was "that term describes bacteria". So, yeah. Honestly, I think that meeting people in real life and developing a friendship first is ideal, but in the days of swipe-right dating apps, that seems more elusive than ever. But it's definitely heartening to hear that more people prefer that kind of meeting. Honestly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 03:51 AM
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None, actually. I *understand* the appeal, but watching two strangers go at it doesn't really do anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 12:46 AM
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To be honest, I don't know. Sex doesn't turn me off, but I've rarely had a deep enough emotional bond to really test the distinction. Plus, putting yourself in a box by choosing a specific term isn't always helpful. I'd be honestly delighted if she just came out and proposed non-phallic play openly, although I know the guy is generally supposed to take control.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 10:21 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts; it is true that demonstrating desire is different from pushing for the act of sex, a good thing to bear in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 10:03 PM
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Well, I'm describing myself in case that wasn't obvious already. The idea of non-penetrative intimacy like erotic massage is a good suggestion, although proposing that might be tricky. What you're describing sounds like a very appealing model for moving ahead with a relationship, it's good to hear!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 10:02 PM
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This is the traditional view of gender relations (men offer love to procure sex, women offer sex to procure love), but I wonder how true that is, when most women I have met place a very high premium on being sexually desired. Also, I don't see the "putting off sex" phenomenon in my experience. Sure, there are multiple forms of love: for example, *eros* and *agape*, the former being sexual and romantic love, and the latter being platonic brotherly love of friends and family. But there is a fundam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 09:54 PM
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"Crush" implies admiration from afar, in which case what the person is experiencing is mostly expectation filled in by their imagination. No one refers to someone they're actively dating as a crush.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 09:43 PM
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I wonder about the assumption: is "participating in society" one single phenomenon, or are the economic and sexual aspects different? French novelist Michel Houellebecq saw sexual and economic liberalization (the growth of "haves" versus "have-nots") as parallel: it's possible to be an economic success and a sexual failure, and vice versa. Modern media tends to group the two together mainly because "broke men can't find a woman" is an easily digestible headline. As for men who live lives absent …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 08:10 PM
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