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So I thought we were talking about liberals here. Now I've never studied political theory, but from my layman's understanding, liberals are quite different from leftists/anticapitalists/socialists. Liberals draw from the enlightenment and from economists like John Keynes, wheras leftists draw from Marx and Engels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:08 AM
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Quite a few kinds of women actually, and I speak from experience as the soy boy in question. All but one woman I've slept with have even painted my nails themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:19 PM
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My only proposal is to ban and vilify polygamy and criminalize sex outside marriage. Yes, clearly the solution is to clamp down on all lifestyles outside of my own and force everyone to live my way. I've met polygamists. Non-mormon ones, anyway. The Polyamory Community. Do you think they're all perfect 10s slutting it up with each other? Lmao no. There's plenty of people who are not conventionally attractive, and even more average joes and janes, who are finding love and getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:04 PM
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Ah, yes, those liberals who twiddle their moustaches and conspire to destroy the family unit, because...reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 07:56 PM
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I guess I just don't see the utility in essentializing people to such a degree. Plus, it's kind of an unfalsifiable idea, isn't it? If anyone appears to excel through training, they must have had some latent abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 11:45 PM
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Eh, some autistic people can still learn social cues, even if they don't understand them intuitively like anyone else. Kind of like learning a second language in adulthood versus childhood. It's inarguably easier, and you can make an argument they'll never reach that same exact level, but given enough time and dedication you can get pretty close. Seeing autistic folks I know succeed socially when, years ago, they most certainly would not, has convinced me that social skills are not that binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:19 PM
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How would you help your son/nephew grow into one so he doesn't end up wasting his life on gender debate forums? Lmao I'm triggered But for realsies, it's rather uncommon to have a person who is socially competent in all areas of life besides dating, so it would logically follow that to be a "natural" requires already having good social skills. When you're young, much of this is out of your control. Some parents really nurture a child's social development (signing them up for every activity ever)…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:13 PM
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(Straight) couples where one person is super traditional about gender roles and the other isn't, are doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 02:19 PM
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Damn, we got some spicy ones in this thread. Here's mine: All laws regarding rape and sexual assault are sex- and gender-blind. Males can be considered victims of rape and females perpetrators under the law in places where they currently are not. To mitigate messy divorces, prenups are integrated into the legal process of marriage. i.e. Both parties agree what, if any, existing assets are considered joint, whether income earned is considered individual or joint, etc. By declaring himself the fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:09 PM
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I'm not sure why, this isn't exactly new information. Very (conventionally) beautiful people can get any attention they want from their preferred sex basically on demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:48 AM
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I don't get this. Your sexual competency isn't written in the stars. People can get better at sex over time, especially in the course of an LTR where, presumably, there's active communication about what people like, and exploration of new positions/techniques/kinks/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:15 PM
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Crypto has a lot of problems that regular investment vehicles don't. Volatile exchange rates, lack of privacy on the blockchain, no insurance on investments or deposits, etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:00 PM
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Ok, let's talk about the merits. If I'm reading this right, this study seems to lump together single gays/lesbians, gays and lesbian couples that raised a child from birth or adoption, and gays/lesbians that had a kid with a heterosexual person then raised them in a same-sex household. The most honest comparison, I feel, would be to compare only gay couples who raised a child from birth or early adoption, to heterosexual couples in the same scenario (and where the heterosexuals conceieved intent…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 04:00 AM
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Be honest. If you saw a study with pro-LGBTQ implications was carried out by a team of out and proud queers and was funded by the Human Rights Campaign, wouldn't you be a bit skeptical?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:58 AM
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Ooh, Regnerus. Just curious, how many of his papers have you read? How many have you linked here? Cause the dude is pretty sus.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 10:56 PM
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Children of lesbian parents seem to do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 06:34 PM
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On average, yes. But finding toxic/abusive households with married parents to make accurate comparisons to children from divorced parents is understandably tricky. We know that on average, outcomes are worse when the parents are divorced. But we also know that witnessing excessive parental conflict, or partner abuse (even when the child is not directly harmed) causes developmental harm for a child as well. All this to say, I'm not sure we have enough good statistics on the matter to say whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 06:32 PM
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The most oppressed minority of all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 06:26 PM
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The anti-mandates protests have been happening since the first countries locked down. Is something really news anymore if it's ongoing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:15 PM
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One of the funniest "trans stories" you hear over and over again from transmasculine people is of them accidentally breaking shit because the strength difference is just that intense. Or, the inverse, transfemmes not being able to open the pickle jar.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:12 PM
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But, as you say, they also lack healthcare infrastructure. An otherwise healthy person still has better odds in the West getting covid, simply because we have access better quality treatments.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:10 PM
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Is that with or without the first round of vaccine doses? I know that one study from Israel that everyone cited for "natural immunity > vaccine lel" found that natural immunity plus vaccine immunity provides greater protection than either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:06 PM
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Testosterone is OP
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 03:00 PM
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Ok my apologies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:40 PM
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You: 👨 The guy she reads yaoi manga about: 💖🌟🧝🏻🌟💖
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:29 PM
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IMO the more valid response isn't "there are valid explanations for these statistical trends that make men look bad", it's that those negative statistical trends should still not inform negative behavior toward individual men. Even Charles fucking Murray, who has made a career out of trying to prove the black/white IQ gap, agrees that group differences should not influence individual interactions. You should treat every member of the group as their own person, not hold them responsible for the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:25 PM
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I was the master at having gals I knew in HS tell me afterwards that they were totally into me, after the fact. Side note, please don't ever do that. It's about the most awkward conversation you'll ever have - for both people involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:15 PM
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The chess one is interesting, I've met so few women with even a passing interest in chess. I wonder if the gender distribution is similar across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:10 PM
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Are you Denmarkese?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:07 PM
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That I'll agree with. There was a person named Danyeil (pronounced like "Danielle" with she/her to match) who I didn't realize was standing in front of me one day because I had only seen the name written, and was expecting a he/him pronounced like "Daniel".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 11:06 PM
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I don't see why it would be so bothersome. It's seven characters in a profile that makes communication marginally easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:43 PM
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Directly asking is one way to go about things, but being able to suss out why someone is coming to you with a problem is actually a pretty useful social skill, in and out of romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:41 PM
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I'm a little suprised, honestly. Even outside of progressive spaces, I see all sorts of professionals with he/him in email signatures, linkedin profiles, social media, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 10:37 PM
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These feminists also (by and large) don't live in those places. It's much easier to affect change in a community where you actually live, have social ties you can organize around, and understand the culture enough to know how to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:09 PM
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This sounds like the same logic of artificially imposed consequences that some pro-lifers argue for. We should want child support to exist because it benefits the child to have two income streams, even if there's only one custodial parent. Not because it creates some cosmic fairness between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 02:05 PM
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The existence of such a policy does not necesarily mean that they are not equals in those fields, in terms of competence and performance anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:57 PM
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If the early Marxists believed that a more egalitarian distribution of wealth would somehow solve racism, sexism, etc., then they were wrong in more ways than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 02:26 PM
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There's dime a dozen stories on this sub of partners with mental illness (esp. BPD, not what this man had but still) flying off the rails over the end of a relationship or even just a single disagreement. I've even told this story before in other threads about this sort of thing. It's only now when I'm assumed to be a woman (not quite true) that people seem to be reading into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 09:25 PM
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The replies I got to this comment was an enlightening experience on how women are treated here. I've mentioned this exact story before where I mentioned - or it was clear from context - that I'm not a woman, and never received the kind of criticism/pushback I got this time. Not that it's wrong to be critical of internet strangers' anecdotes, but I find it odd that it took me being assumed to be a woman for anyone to be critical of this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:38 AM
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No. Being alone without any clear romantic prospects was the price I paid to end that relationship when and how I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 10:08 PM
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I've volunteered for domestic violence causes, and one of the first things you hear in that space is "hurt people hurt people". He was obviously in a lot of pain, his lashing out at myself and others during and after the relationship was a part of that. I can feel bad for him while also condemning his behavior on a moral level.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:21 PM
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Believing that a false allegation is true is not a response I would have expected in a manosphere-adjacent subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:17 PM
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I fully admit that, during that time, I wasn't as present in his life as he wanted me to be (work was really busy, big volunteer projects, etc), and that did make things harder for him. While I chose to prioritize those things over a three-month-old relationship - as I would expect of my partner to also do - I don't accept that this makes me "responsible" for his pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:15 PM
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He struggled with mental illness off and on throughout his life. There wasn't really a "trigger" as far as I remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:10 PM
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I was with him for a grand total of three months. I've stayed and helped other, longer-term partners through emotional hardships. The difference there is that they had/have emotional outlets other than being mean to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:05 PM
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Years ago, I broke up with a man who was definitely at a mental/emotional low point. He was leaning on me a lot at that time, but was also taking out his negative feelings on myself and others in his life in ways I felt were unacceptable, so I ended it. After the breakup, he was so distraught that 4 of our mutual friends spent 3 days with him basically on a pseudo suicide watch. At one point, I felt bad about it. Then I realized that I'm not responsible for other people's feelings like that and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:57 PM
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How are we supposed to call actual transphobic people? I'd argue that there is a lot of overlap between the "I don't date trans" crowd and actual transphobic people. Even on the internet where anyone can lie about what they believe, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen these two positions voiced simultaneously: Trans women are women and trans men are men, therefore civil discrimination protections for trans people are a good thing, and; I would never date or have sex with a tran…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 06:04 PM
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Starting to watch my state's gubernatorial race, and all I can say is, "good luck running against legal weed". It seems like 420 legalization is one of those things that's really hard to put back in the box once it's out. People can see that all the fearmongering didn't amount to much, and the massive boon that weed taxes bring to the public purse. Not 100% in agreement with how my state ultimately went about it, but I doubt the opposing candidates have any chance without a good answer to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 03:13 AM
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/s with a grain of truth. Someone on here linked a study that the most masculine body types are actually more popular with gay men than straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:55 AM
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Everyone knows that only gay men are allowed to like muscles
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:48 AM
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or manages to meet the rare woman who considers his veritable 5/10 ass an absolute 10. This is just...compatibility. Why does some Joe Schmoe care what his "true" SMV is when he has people in his community or social circle who find him attractive and are open to sex/relationships with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:24 AM
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As u/mark_freed says, nobody's going to be open about having committed a crime that could land them in prison for years. Bouncing off of that, the men in the rapist's life likely heard a version of the story that paints the rapist in a neutral or positive light (e.g. "She came on to me", "She never said no") The other men know about the act but don't agree that it's rape. Depending on who you ask, simply having sex with a sufficiently intoxicated person may or may not be rape. Finding out someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 02:18 AM
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Most people...who live in houses
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:51 AM
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Consider this. Before any legal/financial actions happen, a couple comes to the mutual consclusion that they should split up. Because of how divorce law works, one of them must initiate the legal process. These situations are counted as divorces initiated by men or by women when the decision to divorce was not an adversarial one, and by no means indicates the other person wanted the relationship to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 01:38 AM
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The situation might be different for shift work versus a 9-to-5, but whenever we're onboarding a new employee at my (restaurant) job, one of the first questions we ask them is, "do you have any days in your first month that you're going to need off?". People already have vacations, events, and the like planned months in advance, and I think it's reasonable for a new job to accomodate that if the employee asks for the time off up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 05:13 AM
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Isn't there a study going around this sub that says women are more liberal/left-of-center in basically every democratic country?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:51 PM
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This, I think, is the real difference between TRP and a typical feminist. The stuff being discussed exists in some form, the disagreement is in why it exists, whether it is good, bad, or value-neutral, how we should engage with it, and if we should strive to get rid of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:50 PM
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Kids get shit for their parents' jobs all the time, as long as a job is seen as "weird" or low-class enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:45 PM
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My bad, I should have read the rest of the thread better. I still find it weird to refer to someone wanting to keep their own last name as "disrespect", but at least we agree on where the causation is here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:39 PM
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You're right, it was incorrect to say "we all" since there is much more work that needs to be done in that regard to ensure equitable access to education.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:38 PM
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You make it sound like it's the surname change causing the marriage to be more short lived, as if a woman keeping her name was a magic spell that brought bad luck to the marriage. Isn't it more likely that people with more traditional attitudes in general, including sticking out a marriage no matter what, would be interested in the marital name change?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:34 PM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with socialism. The shortages you're talking about exist in capitalist economies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:26 PM
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I really wish that stays as a general practice, especially since we all have the infrastructure to work and attend school remotely now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:12 PM
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Nah, they just want to be mad about nonwhite people existing near them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:11 PM
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My state's governor just announced that he's going to try a employer vaccine mandate if the federal one flops, and Chicago has been mandating people in restaurants and other public places present vaccine cards to staff. As someone who manages a restaurant, I'm not looking forward to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:09 PM
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My conspiracy theory side thinks it’s further radicalizing incels through rage porn, in addition to constantly redefining the term ever couple of months to get more guys to identify There is a kernel of truth to this. To summarize this hour long deep dive, a lot of the most obvious anti-SJW bait stories on Tumblr were created and circulated by the same few (probably right wing) people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:23 AM
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I will never stop being flabbergasted by RP telling women what they're about whenever they share an experience contrary to their ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:07 PM
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I was about to say the same. I had a 3-month furlough at the start of COVID, and it was boring, mind numbing stuff - even with hobbies and a new creative project to keep me busy. If I had kids in the house, I would probably have gone insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:59 PM
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Men of PPD: How, if at all, does the thought of a false sexual assault/harassment allegation impact your decisions around dating and sex? I've heard it mentioned here a bunch but not talked about directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 03:40 AM
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He obtains the resource known as alpha fucks He also had sex with your wife
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 03:35 AM
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Good: Clear skin Teeth straighter than I'll ever be Fantastic ass (thanks, years of cycling!) Smaller but well-toned muscles all around Bad: Super-high hairline that requires me to wear bangs A chin that's big while not being bold and powerful Some weird looking scars from work injuries Can't grow tits without losing my muscles :(
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 03:33 AM
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It is worth noting that more gener equal societies tend to be ones with a higher standard of living, and those societies also tend to require two earners to sustain that standard of living for a household.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 01:44 AM
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Back when I tried OLD, I definitely put too much thought into my profile...but this is a whole new level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 01:42 AM
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I can at least see what he was going for. A boilerplate piece of advice you see for dating apps is to give yourself a "conversation starter".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 01:41 AM
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If there even is a therapist, she may be disregarding their advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 01:21 AM
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Where are the therapists "playing into it"? I'm friends with a few social workers and psychologists who have described this trend, and they say current clinical practice is to try to "merge" the dissasociative identities, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 11:49 PM
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To an extent, but one capital owner or even industry really only has the kind of leverage to sway politics in single-industry towns. Local politics has a lot of NIMBYism and other kinds of politicking that doesn't make a lot of macroeconomic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 05:31 PM
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Eh, even that would be a hard pill to swallow. If you know just one transitioning trans person (which, if you're woke, you probably do), it's pretty hard to deny that hormones have an effect on personality, emotion and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:41 PM
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At what level of government does politics become by elites for elites?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:31 PM
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Unironically though. Any trans person who's been on HRT for even a week could tell you how sex hormones affect the body and mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:27 PM
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Who is John Galt? Answer the question, and your life will be changed forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:25 PM
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This kind of attitude isn't even mainstream in progressive circles anymore, that's how much everyone has moved past this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:24 PM
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Username checks out. But yeah, there's a lot of masc4masc deniers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:16 PM
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Not every man shares your feelings about promiscuous women, so even if it is an instinct, some people are much better about ignoring it. Or, at least, not informing how they speak about promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:04 PM
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What about all the memes about football team captain Chad getting to bang all the cheerleaders?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 02:50 PM
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But you certainly felt it was worth considering enough to write a post about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 02:46 PM
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It's also our instinct to desire sugar, and to eat it whenever possible. There was a damn good reason to have that in the wild, it helped us to survive. But now, the world has changed around us, and it's maladaptive - so we suppress it. We had to, otherwise we would all get Type 2 Adult Onset Diabetes. Something being instinctual doesn't make it good or right, and it doesn't mean that suppressing it for the good of ourselves or the wider society is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 02:29 PM
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Meaning logically speaking, they are now the bigger risk to be around, since this means they are more likely to have covid and not know it; thus be spreaders of Covid. This makes sense on an individual level, but less sense on a population level when you consider vaccination status as a heuristic for lifestyle RE: corona in general. I don't think it would be uncontroversial to say that someone who doesn't want a vaccine is more likely to, on average, not wear a mask, not respect social distance,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:56 PM
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You would think having a tidy and well decorated home would be the low bar for any adult...but the phrase "bachelor pad" exists for a reason, and isn't always used positively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:43 PM
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Aside from networking in kink spaces, not much. You can't assume people's kinks just by a first impression, many of the people who give "dom" or "top" energy in day to day life are submissive in bed, and vice-versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:41 PM
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No Mulan reply yet? I'm honestly surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:59 PM
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I know the woke answer is "yes, of course", but it's obviously not that simple. The question is, are you attracted to this person as a man, a woman, or something in between? Because our libido doesn't generally care about a person's gender identity, at least not at a first impression. If you're pro-trans enough to put stock in someone's described gender identity, and someone with female sex characteristics initiates sex with you, and you're not deterred at all by the fact that this person self-I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 06:07 PM
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Another not-a-straight-white-male chiming in to say I much prefer the present than the past. The modern era has its suck for sure - in dating and elsewhere - but it's hard to say I'd want to be part of a culture that wants nothing to do with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 05:30 AM
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An MRS Degree (the life trajectory, not the mod) isn't any less of a bad idea when it's a man doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 11:06 PM
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That post is wild to me. Imagine making an agreement to have sex a predetermined number of times per week. Makes my bits shrivel up just thinking about trying to make sex this regimented thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:40 PM
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I was going to say "transition or no balls" but then I realized it'd be no balls either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:32 PM
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Trump was originally the one pushing for the vaccine- it was originally his baby. Everyone on the the Dem side likes to memory hole forget that This is important to remember in terms of analyzing the American response as a whole, but I'm not sure how much that mattered in the election. IMO he really undersold Operation Warp Speed in his campaigning. In analyzing elections, what matters is the promises and the public perception of the candidates. And I'm willing to bet that there were vary few CO…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:28 PM
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I would say that is rather silly of them, then. But I would also say that a belief in egalitarianism is not necessarily at odds with one's relationship preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:11 PM
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I'm really not sure you can call it totalitarian fascism, either here or in any democratic country with stricter COVID regulations. If people elect local and national governments that run on "tough on COVID", then it's just democracy at work. Countries without democracy? Sure, but they were authoritarian before COVID too, it isn't their response to the virus that makes them that way. Even the US, when given a choice, picked the candidate who tried very hard to position himself as being tougher o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 08:06 PM
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Are there feminists who deny this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:51 PM
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I don't buy that explanation. USA military and even most city PD's are armed to the teeth. Any rebellion that would happen, the state could put down in an instant if it wanted to. Politicans and beauraucrats are people, and as people they are influenced by the cultural attitudes of the place they live. Americans are very individualist, the mere idea of a "collective problem" is oxymoronic to some of us. There's also a strong distrust of scientific authority - the (pre-COVID) anti vaccine and cli…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:48 PM
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I'm at a loss for what "return to normal" even means anymore. Since 2 years ago when the pandemic started, I've now been able to: Go back to work with a full schedule, Go to a retail store, restaurant, or other business and interact with employees face-to-face, Access schools, libraries, and other public services, Hold large in-person public events through various nonprofits I volunteer with, Travel and use public transit, and Access medical services without delays or long waits due to overcrowd…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:35 PM
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Slavery and war are interesting juxtapositions here. Throughout history, the vast majority of soldiers, even conscripts, were men. However, most slaving societies enslaved both men and women. Sometimes they had different responsibities based on sex/gender, but other times they did not. So as long as there was the potential to be enslaved, the women being free from being conscripted doesn't seem like a huge plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:22 PM
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Can this be applied equally to the information and service sectors, which have a higher proportion of women than manual labor and manufacturing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:13 PM
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It makes sense. The Red Pill is a generally conservative worldview. Not conservative as in "low taxes, drill for oil, ban abortion", but conservative as in "systemic change will fail because it's contrary to human nature, individuals must change to fit the system".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:11 PM
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I get the feeling that you believe single parent homes are worse than two parent homes, and I agree with you. The data seems to bear that out pretty cleanly, whether it is a single mom or dad. The OP and his replies seem to be focusing on the complimentarian model of gender more than just "single parent families are worse for kids", which is why I focused on LGBTQ in my response. But I'm more interested in children of 2 men vs 2 women, and their outcomes rather than straight vs gay. I am too, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 07:05 PM
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That's...not how burden of proof works. To say that children do better with a mother and father is an affirmative claim. The anti-LGBTQ movement has been making this claim for decades without evidence. There is a lack of good longitudinal research on this specifically because gay marriage is a very recent development - no country recognized it until 2000, and most of the world has still not come around. The claim that a kid needs a mom and a dad has been used as justification to keep gay marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:24 PM
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Um, no? I've been a manager in fast food for years, which is known for having colorful characters on both sides of the counter, and I haven't had half the shit happen when I turn people down for jobs that women in my life have had happen when romantically/sexually rejecting someone. So far, nobody has personally insulted me or my family, threatened me, assaulted me, tried to kiss or grope me, or tried to start a fight. On top of all that, knowing that 95% of these people could probably overpower…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:07 PM
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No, female color perception is OP. God, nerf women pls
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 05:51 PM
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A lot of the data in this arena controls for that, either by only using adoptive parents or screening out parents for whom at least one of their kids was an accidental pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:31 PM
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Can you at least understand people thinking differently whose experiences are different from yours? Sex/gender differences are averages, and there's invevitably going to be people several standard deviations from those averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:06 PM
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In this example, men and women complement each other in regard to raising a child. Neither a father nor a mother can properly raise a child alone without the support of the other parent Can we stop parroting this nonsense please? People were saying it without evidence 20 years ago as an excuse not to let gay people marry and adopt kids, and now that gay people are starting families in many countries, there's still no evidence for it. Kids benefit from having 2 parents, and a support structure of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 03:02 PM
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There's another COVID-adjacent reason people are going to Florida, as well. It's a beautiful, more tropical state with a still-fairly-low cost of living in most areas. But now that more people can work from home, people are leaving colder urban centers like Chicago, New York, and Minneapolis for warmer waters.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 03:29 PM
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She acts like she is, which is the most frustrating thing. This woman was alive during the Stonewall Rebellion and the most she's done for us is made a statement apologizing for voting for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:50 PM
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Feminist here, can confirm. We also chop off their dicks as a sacrifice to the goddess Athena.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:45 PM
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I'm still mad about that lmao. She has more money than most people make in a lifetime, got off scott-free from running someone over, and now spends most of her time making TV apparances...and yet she is the most stunning and brave? It's not even like she's the only out trans woman celebrity. Or the only LGBTQ (former) athlete that many people have heard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 04:35 PM
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I suppose either a person whose dating world TRP isn't really meant for (polyam, kink, LGBTQ) or whose experience in the early- to mid-adulthood dating world conflicts with the predictions made by TRP. Like, even if I wanted to fit in with the boys here, I couldn't. On top of being nonbinary myself, my dating and sexual history with women consists entirely of (with one exception) feminist and bi/pan women. These are folks TRP men, for various reasons, tend to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:35 AM
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I actually like "not yours, just your turn", without the gendered aspects of course. It's a harsh reminder that most relationships are finite, but more importantly, that your partner never stops being their own person. They can live a lifestyle or make life decisions that you disagree with, and can follow their dreams even if that moves them away from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 06:27 AM
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Maybe these criticisms are true for national politics, but much of the government actions that affect your life (especially in America, which is less federalist than Australia and other Anglosphere and Euro countries) come from more local bodies. State assemblies, the county, school boards, city councils. The people in these positions aren't megalomaniacal racist paedophiles, it's Dave from down the street who does your family's taxes eveey February.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:27 PM
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While some might call that a sexist take, this feminist doesn't think so. If you're going to acknowledge that men and women are treated differently in society, even if there were no inherent differences to start with, you would still end up with different outcomes. It makes total sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 05:50 AM
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There are so many competing versions of feminism that anyone could be called a misogynist by at least one of them for basically any reason. The core of the animosity towards "nice guys" isn't that they're misogynist - it's that their niceness is insincere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 05:33 AM
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Doesn't count unless it was Fox only, no items, Final Destination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:23 AM
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Reminds me of the story covered in Murder on a Sunday Morning. Unfortunately, witness ID, even from a victim, is not as reliable as we would want it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:18 AM
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Peace and blessings be upon him
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:16 AM
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Didn't Sh0e and Armoured Skeptic break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:15 AM
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I touched on this in the feminine men thread, but I think a lot of men (well, people in general) are bad at estimating the kind of person that would probably be into them, and searching based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:06 AM
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. I don't understand it, as someone who has dated men as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:02 AM
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Maybe impossible for them, but try as they may they cannot speak for all women, not even all progressive/feminist women. I can relate, despite having some more conservative friends I would probably never date one. Some political takes are legitimately a turn-off. But I also know better than to project that experience to everyone else like me. As the subject of the article shows, some people are more open to that than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:00 AM
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I'm not a woman, but I'd like to offer my perspective. I'm someone a lot like you physically, a male-bodied person with a more feminine body shape and more boyish face. And like you, I struck out often when going for any random gal I was interested in. It wasn't until I started spending more time in feminist, and especially queer, spaces that I started having a lot of romantic and sexual success. As it tuns out, nontraditional women are more likely to have nontraditional preferences. As long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:52 PM
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Dick pics just aren't hot lmao. I don't know why that's such a tradition among men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:34 PM
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Why have contempt for someone with low sexual market value if you're not trying to date them, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:32 PM
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This was a pretty interesting article on one culture war micro-celebrity's political journey. But I'm not sure how this fits into the larger context. It's about one person, and insofar as it concerns her (brief) romance with a conservative man, it's mostly her genuinely wanting to understand people different from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:24 PM
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It's like most other content creation platforms, whether you're an Instagram influencer or have a YouTube channel. There's a lot of small fish and a few big sharks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 10:59 PM
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Do you have research that indicates this change?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:53 PM
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As someone who considers themselves a mix of both (liberal and radical), what appeals to you about radical over liberal, besides the affect?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 07:28 PM
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Your math is sound, but I'm not sure about this assumption that public schooling is what's shaping political opinions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the greatest predictive factor in a young adult's political leaning the leaning of their parents, rather than their school?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 06:38 PM
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Inb4 someone has a zombie kink
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:43 PM
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Oh, it's total trash. I was being sarcastic - I can't stand this stuff. I'd rather be a lazy young person on my phone instead of working hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:42 PM
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Plenty of men still cold approach. But for those that don't, meeting people through work, social networks and activities/hobby groups are still all ways in which people meet their long term partners. OLD was a bit of a wash for me - I got a few matches/dates that didn't go anywhere past date #1 - and I ended up dating one of my close friends instead. So there's definitely hope for those who strike out on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:40 PM
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Transphobic strippers? What, were they mad some T-girl had better tits than they did or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:35 PM
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They'd be too busy doing their OnlyFans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:32 PM
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Haven't most people gone through the public school system, though? Including most anti-feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:28 PM
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Power corrupts. Petty workplace power corrupts absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:26 PM
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None, though I imagine if someone regretted it, they would probably close it down, pull everything off the web that they could, and not discuss it among friends and acquaintances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:25 PM
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Still goes against OP saying most/all of them have BPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:16 PM
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You're not going to be a #bossbabe without an entrepreneurial grind-set.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 03:09 PM
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This bluepill nonsense has gotten to the point where people are in denial of human evolution and the very purpose of sex in the first place. I'm not sure who/what you're getting at here that is doing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:44 AM
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Masking is half the battle. You also have to be astute to subtle social cues that indicate interest. Not everyone who would potentially be down to date you is going to come up and announce their intentions - and this goes double for straight, feminine women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 05:01 AM
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I'm sure not every one of them is bullshitting. There is an audience for just about every trait that is generally seen as unattrative. There are women who like feminine men, short men, chubby men and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:59 AM
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And wanting your own genetic progeny isn't an uncommon thing. It's a huge reason why so many people choose to make babies the old fashioned way rather than adopting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 04:51 AM
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Here's the thing. When you're entering a kid's life after they've already been living with the single parent for some time, that's a big life adjustment for you and the kid. You will play the role of a parent, but you might never have the same connection as they have with their birth parent. Not just because of biology, but because you came into their life much later, after their most formative years of parental bonding. That kind of asymmetry, a lot of people aren't OK with. Even if that person…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 08:53 PM
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Same goes for hygeine/grooming while you're at it. As anyone who has been to an anime convention or game competition can attest, these are things many of us take these things for granted - but plenty of folks seem to let that fly out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 08:48 PM
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Did I suggest the number was zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:12 PM
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Evidence of a behavior is not evidence of an ignorance of said behavior or of a concerted effort to cover it up. I'm not arguing the behavior doesn't exist. All humans have ingroup/outgroup biases, another fact well demonstrated in literature. The degree to which people are aware of these biases is not automatically evident by studying ingroup/outgroup biases, nor can you automatically infer that all people deny or rationalize these biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:12 PM
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I have no way of verifying that. The page points to a report from a reputable source (the American Association of Blood Banks) but the link 404's. It should also be pointed out that the current paternity testing system, where tests are voluntary and administered only when paternity is in question in the first place, does not yield an accurate measurement of how much paternity fraud is actually happening. The meta-analysis referenced in your first link at least tries to account for this fact, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 04:07 PM
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A meta analysis is only as valid as its component studies. The article you linked says basically what I just did - that there's a lot of estimates going on and not a lot of hard data.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:32 PM
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I look forward to the follow-up study that uses a large sample of real-world paternity data to find a firm number rather than aggregating estimates and much smaller sample studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:25 PM
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Do you really think women don't know that they want both someone who is sexy and someone who is a good provider?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:24 PM
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Yeah, it's actually kind of obvious that folks want someone who's a good long-term partner and also sexy. I don't see any issue with that. The Red Poop Guys, as you say, then assume that men with both of those qualities are impossible to find, and it follows that women use all of these deceitful strategies and backwards rationalizations to fuck Alpha Chad and cuck Beta Brad. That's the issue I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:23 PM
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I'm convinced that "she wants the bad boy" comes from high school movies made by people in their 40s starring people in their 20s. The trope was out of touch when it first entered popular culture, and it's still out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:08 PM
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This is just the same "I know women better than women know themselves" atritude that the Red Pill has always had.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:06 PM
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r/im14andthisisdeep
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 03:00 AM
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OMG that's hilarious. I fell off my chair laughing. That was so funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 05:47 PM
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This story is total TERF bait, I'm honestly surprised it's real. I don't envy the people who have to moderate those comment sections.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:40 PM
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I used to think that maybe there was some latent provider instinct that led men to do that, but after spending some time on the Manosphere and seeing all the grumbling about how men have to pay for everything, I have reconsidered.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:39 PM
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Whether or not she's actually trans is definitely the least interesting part of that story.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:30 PM
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The vibe I get from clubs is that, like OLD, the success rate is super skewed towards the most conventionally attractive people, moreso than usual. The gym bunnies and the insta models find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 05:36 AM
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What about a woman with dwarfism? Folks that short generally don't look like kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 04:34 AM
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24, but it was also an unusual situation. It was just my mom and me, and she was disabled and on public assistance. A year into working full time, my income was higher than hers. Were she not relying on that to help her keep the place she/we lived in, I probably would have left much sooner.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:38 AM
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Anyone here who mains Fox? What are your thoughts on the Yoshi matchup in Melee?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:10 AM
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Are the Wachowskis involved in this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:09 AM
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I thought you were implying Murray or Dawkins were president of Harvard for a sec, until I realized you were talking about a third academic, Dr. Summers. That still doesn't give us a clear way of deciding the nature of the objections. In another life, Summers could have received similar treatment for arguing against evolution, or that vaccines cause autism. We just don't know, I'm inclined to take people at their word about the nature of their objections regarding most things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 03:07 AM
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You're saying it's apples and oranges by assuming different motivations. How do you know Dawkins' critics have an intellectual basis and Murray's an ideological one? Plenty of Murray's biggest critics, such as Stephen Jay Gould, were academics whose criticisms were mostly confined to the poor statistics practiced in TBC.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 12:44 AM
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It never stops suprising me how much right-populists say they like that book. Have they read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 12:07 AM
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Pretty much nothing here lol. I don't spend a lot of time on partisan subreddits, which probably helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 12:05 AM
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Women are recycling. Men are compost. No genders are trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 11:10 PM
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They may have had accolades, but that doesn't necessarily matter. Richard Dawkins was an accomplished biologist and wrote some great books breaking down more advanced evolutionary concepts for the layman. He even used his knowledge of evolving organisms to talk about ideas and how they evolve (coining the word "meme" in the process). Then he threw his hat into professional atheism, and politics after that. The God Delusion may have sold well, but even atheist scholars of religion were critical o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:12 PM
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Who says men are okay with that kind of treatment? And who treats them that way, besides maybe TERFs?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:01 PM
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That's pretty cool! Was it a matching tat with one of his or just something cool you wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 03:29 PM
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I was reading this and thinking, "Hmm, I wonder what purplish_possum has to say about this?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 03:21 PM
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I've never used the app myself, but I've heard a lot about how individually tailored its algorithms get. To my understanding, everyone starts on what people call "normie tiktok" or "straight tiktok" which is where you find a lot of the attractive young women dancing and shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 03:10 PM
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I think this is one situation where the phrase "they're not doing it for men" genuinely applies. That said, there's definitely a market for overweight gals, short haired gals, more masculine gals, and tattooed/pierced gals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 02:58 PM
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Wtf I have never seen this bot before
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 02:54 PM
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15 and 30 tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 02:51 PM
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I've discussed this among male and female friends and I guess I just have trouble seeing the big deal. As in, why people are so emotionally invested in this issue either way when it hasn't happened to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 02:21 PM
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I've been a man for most of my life and most of the friends I've had during my life were straight guys. Nobody cares about cucks, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 01:39 PM
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I agree. It's a fabrication by marketers to get people to buy more shit. Just like the constructed identity of being a "gamer". But acknowledging that doesn't make folks not feel left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:20 AM
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I notice I get the same reaction from strangers when I say I never drink or smoke. I often have to clarify that it's a personal decision of avoiding addictive substances to get them to realize I'm not trying to judge them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:19 AM
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Nobody outside of the Manosphere and the Alt Right call anyone a cuck. The reaction to cheating can be either "you got screwed over and deserve sympathy" or "you couldn't keep your partner loyal" depending on the circumstances and regardless of genders involved. As someone who "cucked" someone myself, albeit unknowlingly, I choose to feel bad for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:16 AM
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This is actually a thing beyond virginity. People react negatively to someone just saying that they live a more "moral" lifestyle than them (even if that framing isn't consciously used), because it forces them to confront the fact that they things they do, or have done, might be wrong. Someone happily being a virgin is an ideological threat, of sorts, if you believe that more diverse sexual experiences in young adulthood are the right way someone should live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:09 AM
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The bisexual dilemma in a nutshell. The bisexual woman's sexuality is objectified. The bisexual man's sexuality is a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 05:02 AM
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They're who spend the most, on average, that's why they're marketed to. My stats are a bit rusty, but despite making less than half of total income, women make up something like two-thirds of consumer spending. My guess is that's due to couples where the woman manages the money, or at least does most of the shopping - and this being a common enough trend to tip the scales.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 04:57 AM
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To say "pre-pubescent" is a bit of a stretch. The reason males and females have different athletic ability is the effects of testosterone throughout the life cycle. The boys you often see mentioned in comparisons with female athletes are usually high school athletes. That's 14 at the very youngest, well into puberty at that point. And with some degree of athletic training on top of being in the middle of the biggest T spike in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 04:44 AM
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The most frugal, money-conscious woman I know rarely, if ever, wears makeup and thrifts all her clothes. It sucks that, if you want to min-max your finances, you have to basically opt out of a lot of the consumer experiences associated with womanhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 04:38 AM
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I believe that cheating is almost always a symptom of some other problem, whether feeling unsatisfied or unsafe with their current partner, or one person becoming too easily attached to other people (i.e. an exclusive monogamous LTR is not for them). So yeah, I would agree that it's a nuke about to go off. If it's not about the cheating specifically, it'll be about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 02:02 AM
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How does it compare to Jordan B. Peterson's 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:09 PM
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I'm not going to equivocate the people who don't really care and just follow what's posted on the door of the place they want to go (out of courtesy more than anything else), with someone who is incredibly COVID-cautious and advocates for their friends and family to be vaccinated and follow similar behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 06:02 PM
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Not everyone wants to be somebody's first. There's a lot of potential baggage involved, plus the very likely possibility that it won't be a great sexual experience right out of the gate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 05:58 PM
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Dead link
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 03:01 PM
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Why does it have to be so dramatic? Either you're cowering in fear of the virus or you're a brave freedom fighter showing the health authorities who's boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 02:55 PM
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As is typical for JP, I think he's getting at something but the way he phrases things is way off. As a fan of psychometrics himself, I have no idea why he says "born with" when he knows that personality traits and sex hormone levels (which influence behavior in predictable ways) change throughout the life cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 02:45 PM
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Yes. There's a difference betwee putting your best foot forward and being inauthentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 02:17 PM
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The quote isn't really talking about betabux, though, not as Red Pillers understand it anyway. She doesn't advocate disregarding your standards of male beauty and finding someone only because he provides stability. If you want to settle down, you should want a partner who wants that same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 03:13 AM
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What's with these absolutes? Is it really that hard to believe another man likes doing different things than you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:28 PM
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I have seen some studies posted here that argue vaccine immunity is slightly better than natural immunity, but in either case, they're basically equivalent. More importantly, I have yet to see a single study that says either natural immunity or the vaccine is superior to both at the same time. Natural immunity + vax is best COVID protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:27 PM
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It's definitely rare, but like other rare but potentially devistating things - like a nasty car accident - you want to be careful that you don't end up in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:23 PM
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That take doesn't sound absurd to me. There is evidence that being conventially attractive is a privilege - easier to get jobs, making more money, etc - but I doubt this compares to the effect that being born into poverty has on life outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:10 PM
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The Woke™️ generally acknowledge this, and you'll often see those words all together alongside words like "crazy" or "lunatic" in lists of problematic language not to use. The problem is, I have trouble finding people who are offended by dumb, idiot, and moron on their own behalf, despite the fact that plenty of people with intellectual disabilities - from dyslexia to minor brain damage to early stages of dementia - are perfectly capable of expressing when language offends them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 10:07 PM
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Came here to say this. I think OP just got done reading Atlas Shrugged.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 09:31 PM
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Whenever there's something in the apartment that needs to be built or fixed, my girlfriend is right there with her toolbox, raring to go. For what it's worth, she blames it on her autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/21 02:51 PM
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There are even comments in this thread where people are saying they're SAHDs in happy marriages and other people are saying "I have trouble beliving you".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:29 PM
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That's the trouble with averages. If you gave those same people a survey saying a slight majority of women enjoyed strawberry ice cream, they'd assume that all women slightly prefer strawberry ice cream.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:28 PM
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If he has a stable household, loving family, work that he loves doing (even if it's household work), and he's happy and satisfied in his life, what does "loser" even mean at that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:25 PM
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There's no biological reason for men as a whole to be worse at cleaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:23 PM
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If you're on Reddit, chances are you're in the upper quartile of privilege - at least on a global scale. I grew up poor - my family was on public assistance - and even I can acknowledge that my experience is a privileged one lol. That said, the whole phenomenon of a SAHM is, by and large, an upper/middle class thing too. It's called "the working class" for a reason. Moms work. Kids work. Everyone works, because you gotta make ends meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:22 PM
1

I know there's a body of research looking at career choices in different countries. Is there more than just career choices you're getting at here?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:18 PM
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Man, I gotta stop jumping on every trans-related thread I see on Reddit. I just read someone say that trans men don't actually play a role in the larger LGBTQ movement...the same year that a trans man just used his TIME cover feature to advocate for trans rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 09:14 PM
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The smart businesses, even now, don't just take anyone with a pulse. If somebody has a felony record, for instance, they may still have trouble finding work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 07:33 PM
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On one hand, you're right - people should be free to have their own preferences and boundaries in relationships provided everyone's consenting. The flip side is taking a critical look at people's preferences because they may (keyword may) be a product of biases that influence one's interactions with people outside of the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 02:26 PM
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The thing is, "pushing for them to get hired" doesn't often mean much. Many firms are pushing diversity initiatives for years from on high with a very male, very white, very American leadership team. They talk a big game but keep the good jobs in the boys' club.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 04:41 AM
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I know a guy who got turned down at a (non-PP) clinic because "we only serve women here". Congratulations to them on being trans inclusive in literally the most unhelpful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 04:38 AM
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Damn, I really hope my relationship doesn't open up, 'cause I'm going to be in trouble without my "No Smoking" and "No Catholics" filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 04:35 AM
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One man's rape is another's Last Minute Resistance™️ There's a reason everyone outside TRP rates that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 04:24 AM
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Yes, as long as she's not over 6'4" because that would make hugs and handholding more difficult
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 04:20 AM
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It was ivermectin, right? Isn't Joe Rogan big on ivermectin?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:03 PM
2

As opposed to men whose bodies contain no hormones
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 03:01 PM
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Urban design plays a role too. America is so goddamned big that everything is so spread out. Lots in all debsity types are bigger than overseas. Mix that with draconian zoning laws (thanks big government) and you have a country where you need a car to get everywhere. Walking or cycling as transportation just isn't practical for many people, so they don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 02:51 PM
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A man standing on top of me with a sword to the sky while proclaiming himself the 53rd King of France would be a nice start.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 11:13 PM
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It's a big hit right now with this Great Resignation business going on. A lot of their top posts get cross posted to Facebook and Tweeter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 08:54 PM
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Gals, do you ever fail the bechdel test IRL?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 08:52 PM
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Speaking of AR-15s, the liberal fixation on rifles is misguided as hell and you can't change my mind. Most gun deaths, whether from mishandling, suicide, or gun crime, come from pistols. By far.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 08:49 PM
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Have you ever seen the litter left over after a peaceful protest? Public Works will be at it all day!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 08:47 PM
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The best way I've seen it described is that a woman's career and ambitions are a hygeine factor for most straight men - if something's wrong or missing, it detracts from the experience, but if it's there, it's just kinda "meh". It doesn't matter much if she's an accountant or a nurse or a welder, but if she can't hold down a job at all, it's a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 08:43 PM
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Not all, but definitely a lot. Some of the big second wave radical feminists, Greer included, were TERFs. Not a big issue when there weren't many out trans people and it wasn't as present of an issue, but it's becoming a liability now. More than that, there are certain TERFs, again Greer included, that have been very eager to ally with and platform conservatives on the trans issue now that everyone's talking about it. Considering conservatives oppose much of what second- and third-wave feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:23 PM
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Get her additional autism for Christmas
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:40 AM
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I get what you're going for, but there's still a difference. Dating is a lot more symmetrical than a job interview, you're both trying to fill an open position in each others' lives. You're also looking for more interpersonal things like common interests, values etc. that don't really come up in a job search.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:39 AM
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As long as some of that is muscle weight lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:35 AM
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The clipboard shit is hilarious. Scoring your potential partner live on the spot with a form you made and printed out? Someone tell that woman the difference between a date and a job interview, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:33 AM
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What if autism and get bitches?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:20 AM
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I had a FWB that was super strong, but definitely didn't look like the woman in the link. She still had a lot of body fat in addition the muscle, and so still had a very feminine torso, and great tits. Count me in for that body type any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:19 AM
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I'm honestly not sure which came first - homophobia or a kind of anti-effeminacy, but they definitely play off each other. One thing is for sure is that you definitely don't see one without the other very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:59 AM
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His story was used by the doctor directing all this, John Money, in various public releases about his "project". Money, however, lied at every point about Reimer's progress and repetedly denied that Reimer could even have any...cis? trans? gender feelings since he was raised so "perfectly" as a girl. The story doesn't work for that purpose if you tell the truth, of course. Today, you typically hear the story either used by conservatives to discredit the sex/gender distinction (of which Money was…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 01:56 AM
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True trans liberation is when trans men can become one of The Boys™️, politics and all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:33 PM
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I see why that could be seen as transphobic. Still not worth a ban tho
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:13 PM
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They also experience beat-for-beat what trans people describe as gender dysphoria. It's actually really sad, listening to these people's experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:08 PM
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I got banned from r/askfeminists for disagreeing with the admin on a political point. Whoops. Though I have to wonder, what dating advice you gave was seen as transphobic?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 10:02 PM
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Awful everything is right. Why did the kid she was grooming have to get beaten too? For clarification, extrajudicial violence is also bad
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 03:16 PM
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Same thing happened at 2 local high schools around me. Four times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:20 PM
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That's too bad for them. Getting over a crush is hard, and I'm sympathetic to that, but geez don't take it out on the rando who got with the person you're pining over.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:19 PM
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Perhaps, but it still reminds me a lot of the "lesbians just need a good dicking" arguments you heard 10 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 04:03 PM
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My first girlfriend cold approached me when I was at work. EDIT: and yes I did go on a date with her so it worked
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:50 PM
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Maybe they just got fed up with that activity or got better at setting boundaries? I definitely have things I've done at the request of past partners that I would not do again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:49 PM
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I'm not totally sold on the genetic argument either. But to say that the "nature" side of nurture v. nature is just genetics is an oversimplification. We know that homosexuality and transgenderness are incredibly resilient on both the individual level (conversion therapy doesn't work) and the societal level (LGBT people exist in societies so hostile to them that they can be killed by the state). Whatever the cause, it seems pretty immalleable. LGBT people by and large echo this from their own pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:43 PM
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This seems like an Abigail Schrier take tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:24 PM
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Makes sense to me. Subcultures seemingly built around nonconformity are going to attract people who are non-normative in other ways. That's why these groups also attract smokers, recreational drug users, tattoo enthusiasts and gays and lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:22 PM
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An issue being solved and an issue being too consequentially bad to discuss are separate problems. The "theories" of the social causes of homosexuality have their roots in Freud. Not the few good things he contributed to the field that stuck around, mind you, but wacky ideas such as penis envy that are as close to debunked as you can get in soft science. Speculation in a vacuum can actually be pretty fun, but some conversations have just been had to death with the same result every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:15 PM
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Even if they don't like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:45 PM
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Probably because, like Race and IQ, there are plenty of people who are dug in ideologically on one side with mountains of outdated, biased or otherwise flawed information from questionable sources in order to support an anti-egalitarian worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:41 PM
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Whether it's nonbinary people or gay people, dodgy shucksters have always been looking for a reason to blame the existence of queer people on some other issue, be it absent fathers, divorce or the rise in autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:38 PM
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Same thing happened to me. And I was the bully in high school. Didn't cuck anyone back then, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:05 PM
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After is unusual, IME people usually get tested before starting a new sexual relationship with someone. But it's certainly not wrong and I wouldn't say it's neurotic either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:04 PM
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It's definitely better than toilet paper. While I think the trades are undervalued by many highly educated societies, there is still a benefit to a degree for those willing to pursue it. Many jobs will still post "Bachelor's Degree Required" and the ATS will automatically bin any resume that doesn't have one. It's becoming less important what that Bachelor's Degree is in, but having it still counts for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:21 PM
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Equal on what grounds? Women didn't get the vote until the early-to-mid 20th century (depending on the exact country) and outlawing discrimination on the basis of sex came even later. The repeal of Coverture Laws and the ability for a woman to have financial and legal autonomy separate from men was not complete in some countries until the 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:10 PM
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...not really. Class reductionists and TERFs are really the only people in the broader left wing that are openly anti-trans amd hateful about it. The rest is just misunderstandings that can be cleared up in the span of a single conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:05 PM
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Many people historically didn't have "jobs" as we understand them, where you go to a place and are paid money for time by a boss who gives you the tools and materials needed to do your work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:21 AM
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If that's the dynamic they're going to have, then neither of them should be in that situation. I'm the same way, I would hate it. Thankfully, my partner is the same way, and we've both agreed that if we ever wanted kids, we'd adopt an older (5+) youngster so neither of us would have to stay home.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:18 AM
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Because even if an individual men's advocate is neutral or amicable to feminism, the broader men's rights movement is closer tied with the rest of the Manosphere than with any other egalitarian cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:10 AM
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I really wonder where on the left these people you've argued with fall. IMO a worldview that supposes no difference between men and women couldn't account for the experiences of trans people at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:05 AM
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Somehow, though, I can't imagine the redpill extending the same clammy hand of brotherhood to gay men, trans men, genderqueer men, submissive men, etc. I'm sure many of them would say these people are evidence of the demasculinization of society. And when you mention that these people and their relationships don't follow TRP at all, they either say you're lying or that TRP should only be applied to the cis/het dating environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 04:02 AM
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What about queer golfers? Does it cancel out or do I need two polos?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:53 AM
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If there's a disparity between two groups that favors the historically dominant group, wouldn't that be a reason to continue affirmative action, at least in the framework of supporters of that kind of thing? It's like when opponents of affirmative action point to black/white disparities in standardized test scores. Yes. That's the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:29 PM
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It's this weird seeming-contradiction of the manosphere that the things women do are simultaneously part of their nature, but also deserving of contempt and redicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:17 PM
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The adjacent police violence and racial profiling discussion also is (mostly) an issue for young men of color. I'd be curious as to whether there are more such indidents with white men or women of color.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:15 PM
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Everything the Manosphere has ever told me about what women want supports the idea that I should be some lonely, loveless loser. It's kind of hard to believe something that runs so contrary to your lived experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:06 PM
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Can't believe I forgot that one. Fun fact: the sex sentencing disparity is even greater than the race sentencing disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:58 PM
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What things about red or black are reinforced by your experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:57 PM
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Every privilege I can think of that's relevant to normal life (i.e. not 100-year-old maritime traditions or a conscription program that's been collecting dust since Vietnam) has some kind of double-edged sword aspect to it. But the closest I can think of is probably the ease with which more women than men get matches on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:51 PM
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Probably the latter. As is pointed out by someone every time the topic of OnlyFans comes up, only a very small segment of content creators on any platform - OF included - make anywhere near a livable income from their content. Those at the top have become very good at marketing themselves, cultivating a strong fanbase, and consistently creating content people want to see. Not to say I don't value the lifelong worker - I respect them for doing a sucky job that needs doing, and for being resilient…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:45 PM
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Well I guess that makes me Chad then (Which raises a lot of weird questions about what makes someone Chad)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:13 PM
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Eh, those paid features actually cut down on a lot of unnecessary sifting thru randos, which means more time getting matches and setting up dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:05 PM
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What is this effeminate = unsuccessful/evil nonsense? By this logic, my two drag queen friends who are still camp in man mode are more masculine than an incel just because they're successful law abiding citizens.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:06 PM
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If everyone agrees on what ugly is, why does someone's ugliness need to be discussed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 08:03 PM
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Certain therapies that have proven to be extremely harmful to minor, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 07:44 PM
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Less an issue of "sharing" rights, and more of an issue of "you lose your parental rights by committing certain heinous acts". Just like in more pro-gun countries, you can lose the right to bear arms by committing a violent crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:51 PM
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Nope, just considering becoming one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:34 PM
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Well, at least Nancy could say it was in her past. Not like those televangelists that were actively soliciting male prostitutes as they campaigned against gay marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:34 PM
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The one time I really tried OLD, I found it exhausting trying to manage several matches/dates at once. Spinning plates is hard, I don't know how those PUA guys do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:30 PM
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Wow, a social-conservative icon with a lurid sexual past? Color me shocked!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:28 PM
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It's very rare to have someone who is socially competent in every way except dating. Social skills in one arena (professional, friendly, romantic etc) usually translate to others. So I think the better advice is to get more social experience in general, regardless of the gender you're socializing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:26 PM
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Thankfully I haven't personally encountered much. Just random thirsty dudes sending dick pics I never asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:09 PM
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Nobody does. Remember the Boston Bomber witch hunt? Reddit doesn't have the best track record of identifying criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:03 PM
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Eh, I think the "choice" angle was a little overplayed on both sides. Religion is a choice insofar as we have free will, and most first world nations allow freedom of religion and protect the religious from discrimination.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:01 PM
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Parents do not, and should not, have absolute rights over a child once it's born. There are (rightly) things that are illegal to do to a child, and parents who do those things should lose their parental rights. Conversion therapy is as harmful for an LGBT child as any other sort of child abuse, so it should fall in that basket.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 02:59 PM
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If you talk to different feminists, you're going to get different answers, especially since one's ideal society is informed by much more than one's gender politics. That said, my ideal society with regards to gender wouldn't be too far removed from this one, though with us having moved past a lot of sexist ideas that still exist in our society to some degree (men can't be raped, a woman's place is in the home, etc). The problem with perscribing gender roles is that individuals will often fail to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 02:54 PM
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I think it's because incel content is way more advertiser-unfriendly than just plain ol' political partisanship. People see "incel" and right away think about Elliot Roger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:46 AM
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This is why I always observe "you ask, you pay" when going on dates. Saves this struggle happening on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:38 AM
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That's a very weird metric to measure yourself against
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 03:35 AM
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Doesn't this mean that groups of bisexual friends are all wanting to fuck each other all the time? You'd think we'd all be striking out a lot less than we actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:46 AM
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You know male nature so well that males are hoppin in this thread to disagree, despite them supposedly being the more honest sex when it comes to their nature and intentions. Hmm quite interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:42 AM
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You don't hear it discussed directly, that's for sure. Ditto on ways for victims to avoid becoming abusers (while few victims become abusers, most abusers were themselves victims once). However, you often see discussions surrounding red flags, identifying healthy relationships, and "breaking the cycle of abuse".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:37 AM
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I guess the flair explains how you know what's in their heads...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:33 AM
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AFAIK that language was initially developed to be inclusive to intersex people. Since sex assignment is literally just a doctor looking at your junk when you're born and checking one of two boxes, anyone in between those two boxes falls through the cracks. But it works for trans people, too, so why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:32 AM
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They're just missing in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:26 AM
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In that case, it may be helpful to differentiate between different groups of women who are more homogenous in their ideals and interests. Many radical feminists, for instance, are anti-prostitution, so you could fairly put them in a group of women who oppose it. But the liberal feminists are typically for sex work, even if they don't practice it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:23 AM
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It's the worst of online trans communities molded into one persona.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:44 PM
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I am so glad I'm dating someone who says exactly what they mean. I know some people like this dance, but I just don't have the patience for it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:43 PM
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This is everything wrong with left Twitter in one account. They've actually done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:20 PM
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I was just thinking, so you can't have opposite-gender friends who are gay then? Cause you're obviously not getting them into bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 10:18 PM
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You could always find a religious conservative gal who is saving herself for marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 05:00 PM
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Or sign it then do something she didn't consent to. Or ignore her when she withdraws consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:46 PM
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As other commenters have gotten at, "dating issues" isn't really the problem here. That's obviously what PPD and the Manosphere focus on, but even your own sources, OP, point the finger more at childfree couples. Less people are having kids, and we're seeing that happen in every country as it becomes more industrial and urbanized.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:45 PM
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Provided transplantation was possible and could be made accessible and low-risk to mothers, then it also provides a compromise position for the pro-life crowd. "You can take the fetus out of your body, but you can't kill it" kind of a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:41 PM
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Per capita consumption is also much lower in the "third world" than in industrialized ones. The carbon footprint of a single American is greater than several households in the Congo.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:38 PM
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What do y'all think of signed "sexual consent cards" that men and women sign before engaging in sexual activity? I think it's silly and also unenforceable, but apparently some believe it can cut down on false allegations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:34 PM
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MoMP does a really good job of reinserting the class dimension into the gender conversation in a very not-Marxist way. I'm not a huge fan of Farrell in general, but his book is refreshingly moderate compared to where the Manosphere is at today.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:29 PM
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Never expected to see Q shit on here. Huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:36 AM
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You can make the burden of proof as high as you want. Given enough time, someone will slip through the cracks, whether by incompetent defense or a deliberate frame job. I understand that for some people that is acceptable if rare enough, but it's why I'm personally against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:35 AM
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I'll happily have a discussion with someone with radically different value systems. That's 90%why I'm on reddit lmao Dating is a different story, though. There'd be constant arguing. No dice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:30 AM
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The alternative is men in flannel shirts and jeans in women's restrooms. We've tried bathroom bills before.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:22 AM
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Yeah! People of any level of dating success can chop off their penis if they want to!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:17 AM
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This is what some moderate Republicans who call for bipartisanship don't understand. There's always at least one minority group that the American Right is actively fearmongering about and legislating againsts the interests of. In the past few years, we saw Muslims, then Mexicans, and now trans people. How is someone from that group supposed to connect with a right winger if that's the attitude they get from the right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:15 AM
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Depending on where you go and what circles you run in, it can be hard to find certain viewpoints. Most of my volunteer and nonprofit work has been in domestic violence advocacy and LGBTQ communities, in an otherwise very purple metro area. You find a few reluctant Trump voters, a few more never-Trump Republicans, but nobody who downright loves the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:12 AM
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I thought it was 8, then I double-checked and counted off names and it's only 7. If that's any indication of how often I think about my own number. All of them were either relationships or hookups that turned into longer term FWB arrangements. Male nonbinary, 25 and a half. I will absolutely not date a virgin, though I'd be wary of a number in the upper 2 digits, mostly for STD/STI safety reasons. My ideal would probably be a person similar to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 04:05 AM
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Thry must not have been very delicious rats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:41 AM
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Yes. Exactly like a dog. Occasionally she would make an "ick" sound but the growl was more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 11:45 PM
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Conservative US Latinos usually have a very specific backstory. They (or their parents/grandparents) migrated to the US from a Central or South American country that adopted a radical left-wing government. Often, they were fleeing political persecution. They have a lot of (valid) trauma surrounding Socialism and Communism, and if you can convince them that the opposition is a Socialist party, you're pretty much guaranteed their vote. The fact that Bernie Sanders, a self identified Socialist, was…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:57 PM
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Though men lean conservative as a group, those political attitudes are not distributed equally among all men. Nonreligious men, young men, and men of color all lean more left than right. Older (35+) Christian white men are the core of the Republican Party, and are their most reliable voting bloc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:40 PM
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What are some of those logical fallacies? While I'm a feminist myself, I've definitely seen no shortage of bad feminist arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:25 PM
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I had a similar experience. I had a very heteronormative, traditional girlfriend who broke up with me because I wouldn't play the gender role she wanted me to. She would always growl at me whenever I happened to see her when I was with another girlfriend after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:23 PM
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I guess in that perspective it makes sense why you already see so called liberals cheering on the supression of free speech on a sublegal level and some also looking to narrow protections on a legal level as well. You'll almost never find a leftist who is also a free speech absolutist. Most of them adhere to Karl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance: that a society that is too liberal will allow illiberal ideas (in the classical sense, i.e. authoritarian) to grow and propegate. We saw this in the 20th …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:20 PM
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Is it possible they do have critical thinking skills, and have simply arrived at different conclusions than you using those skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 09:12 PM
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You know he's one of the most outspoken men on the subject of male sexual assault/rape victims right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:12 PM
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Generally, people are opposed to abortion because they place the right to life of the fetus above the mother's right to bodily autonomy. Where the fetus came from is irrelevant - being conceived by rape does not invalidate its right to life. Being opposed to abortion with a rape exception means you value something else besides life or autonomy over both of those things. And based on this comment, that thing is imposing consequences on women's sexual behaviornthat you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:11 PM
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It doesn't surprise me at all that you support the rape/incest exception TBH...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:37 PM
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And where do they think individual preferences come from? And if the sum of individual preferences indicate a trend, can we not discuss the trend? I wonder if those people also discount the whole field of statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:34 PM
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Men are often said to be the more rational gender. But they are often described using Greek letters. Pi is a Greek letter and also a number, but not a rational number. Therefore men are not rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:31 PM
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Are there actually people that believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:29 PM
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Marrying young usually means more likely divorce. You'll get your shot eventually lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:23 PM
3

I don't think I would date an ardent social conservative, but I could definitely date someone whose politics were different in some ways (I usually get along with right-libertarians quite well IRL). What would be a total turn off would be someone totally apolitical. I understand some people don't have the interest or emotional bandwidth to care, but I definitely could not vibe with those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:21 PM
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You're probably still better off looking for Republican women IMO. If politics is important to someone, you being diametrically opposed to them isn't going to be any less of a deal breaker on a 4th date than on the 1st.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:18 PM
1

I've definitely had some friends join the force with the same idea in mind. And unlike some of my more leftist pals, I do think getting better people to become cops is part of the answer. The Blue Wall of Silence isn't a law, it's a social standard upheld by those currently in that system, and with different people in that system you may see greater accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:05 PM
3

Terry Crews had done more for men's issues by himself than the entire crowd of male self-help gurus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:01 PM
1

While I do unironically think people should touch grass, all 3 things I listed are quite out of style and uncommon these days. Especially in a post COVID world, there are fewer (though not zero) opportunities for young people to socialize and meet other young people. Damn, am I glad I locked down an LTR before COVID hit...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:00 PM
7

A beta is whatever they want it to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:56 PM
1

The true goal is to get young people off their darn Tik Toks and into the soda shops, discos and drive-in theaters again!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:55 PM
2

In all relationships, someone leads and someone else follows. There is no such thing as equality. Masc4Masc would like a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:54 PM
1

unlike most men here Trans dads on PPD, where you at?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:41 PM
1

Libra sun, Pisces moon, and you were born when Neptune was in retrograde.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:39 PM
2

It's very Freudian. Everything is about sex, all the way down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:37 PM
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The popularization of the nuclear family model has done more to atomize people and erode community ties than anything else. The thing is, other cultures practice multigenerational living and really lean into the belief that "it takes a village to raise a child". If you get rid of the nuclear family, you need something better to take its place. That said, I really don't know where you're going bringing LGBT into this. More people able to get married means more nuclear families, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:11 PM
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It's still just feminism. The ones who hate men got bored of hating just men, so they went off and became TERFs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 03:02 PM
4

It's true. I support Feminism so I can have a dual earner household, and get all the ladies to give me beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:57 PM
4

They get walked on by women in relationships and also get cucked I tick every "beta" box ever and I've cucked other, more masculine men (in my defense, I didn't know she was taken). So what the hell is this nonsense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:55 PM
2

If the only actual allegations are inappropriate flirting and those claims are being blown out of proportion, I'm not sure he's the sort of guy that needs to be taken down a la #MeToo. It seems like using a bazooka to hunt rabbits.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:45 PM
3

Not everything is a "planned conspiracy" The destruction of family was allways the goal of a political area - the leftists or liiberals. So...not a planned conspiracy or totally a conspiracy by liberals? This is some FOX News shit right here lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:33 PM
3

Yes, I know that. I'm making fun of the idea that Feminism came from the top down. Poor and minority women always wanted rights (and didn't have the luxury of not working) and were shafted out of women's movements too often for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:31 PM
10

The Titanic happened a hundred years ago and America hadn't used the Draft since fifty years ago. Next to nobody in this thread was even alive when either of these things were a concern. Can we update our examples please?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:27 PM
9

They're all ultimately conservative ideologies, wanting to go back to a time when men were as miserable as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:10 PM
6

Yes, we all learned in American history class when Susan B. Anthony went to the bank and took out a big loan to start the suffragette movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:05 PM
13

Racists also believe black and white people were different enough to justify one group having rights and the other none.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 02:03 PM
1

I would agree, but I've seen the Super Straights arguing amongst themselves whether "Super Straight" should mean "no dicks allowed" or "no transes allowed" (given some have their dicks removed), so it wasn't effective in communicating even that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:55 AM
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IME most trans people are pretty understanding if misgendered at a first impression, even if it privately grinds our gears. If it's a one-and-done interaction (i.e. shop clerks), it might not even come up at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:57 AM
2

Hot take in most trans circles but probably lukewarm at best here. People can be attracted to you as something other than how you identify, and that's okay. It also doesn't mean you get to tell someone what their sexual orientation is, if they don't realize that someone they're attracted to is trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:45 AM
2

Whereas my girlfriend would probably get mad at the woman for not hitting on her, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:25 AM
2

If you're bullying people for their weight, you're doing HAES wrong. Though I will say, as a perpetually skinny person I appreciate that all the people I know IRL who are onboard with fat acceptance are the last people to comment on my weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:14 AM
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I think that's a pretty generous estimate. The Manosphere attracts people with these experiences like moths to a flame. If they're a sexually frustrated straight male looking for answers, where else would they end up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:50 PM
0

I'm being personal towards the founder(s) of the Manosphere, not to you. I apologize for being unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:47 PM
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I would much rather nobody commit sexual assault. Seems like the world would be much better that way. Don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:44 PM
9

Thousands out of the billions of men and women in the world doesn't exactly signal "major problem" and certainly doesn't call for generalizing language like "Women do X" or "Men do Y".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:43 PM
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See, I thought the Manosphere started because, "Why womyn no give me sex???". Somehow the reason of "Why womyn I have sex with not give me extra spicy sex???" sounds even more pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:29 PM
5

Is it ever worth the risk of committing sexual assault just to get your dick wet a little bit sooner?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:21 PM
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I guess I just don't buy this narrative of a special "kink threshold" of attractiveness beyond "would bang". Kinky people, in my experience, generally want other kinky people, and don't need an extra QT3.14/10 partner as an excuse to start doing more adventurous stuff. And when I think of what I myself would want out of a partner to get me to expand my sexual boundaries, there's a lot of trust but not a whole lot of lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 10:16 PM
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I guess my question would be, how do you discern a sincere change in preferences from lying about how into someone you are? I was definitely more sexually adventurous earlier in my life. There's kinky shit I tried and enjoyed then, but doesn't excite me anymore. Maybe it's getting older and getting a lower sex drive, maybe I've absorbed the idea that certain kinks are Problematic ™️, but at any rate, I wanted to do it then and I don't want to now. So I can totally understand someone seemingly fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 09:03 PM
3

One of my friends told me that crypto for men is what MLMs are for women, and I couldn't get the comparison out of my head. A lot of hype, few winners, plenty of grifters, and the rest are suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 08:41 PM
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I think it's getting at the same thing r/MensLib tries to do, which is to create a space to talk about men's issues in a way that's not overtly hostile to Feminism. The Manosphere leans right. Whether you think that's a good or bad or neutral thing, that's just how it is. It makes sense some men would want an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 08:37 PM
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These aren't ancient history, though. And there are even more recent wins for Feminism that most people can broadly agree are good. For example, in the US, spousal rape wasn't criminalized nationwide until the mid-90s, long after the Second Wave of Feminism got women full rights to own property and financial assets separate from men. Even more recently, you have battles over abortion access and contraception.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:49 PM
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I think what that commenter is asking is, why not just advocate for the issues themselves, and then oppose any feminists who push back on the merits of that issue? If you oppose feminism outright, and succeed in dismantling it, what do you think is going to take its place? Not egalitarianism, not gender abolition, but patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:31 PM
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I am a four headed lion with six wings covered in eyeballs. I have ascended beyond high value male. I am an 11/10, able to impregnate any female on planet Earth with a snap of my fingers. Not only do I get married and have over 600 wives, any female foolish enough to divorce me lost everything in divorce court and has to pay me alimony despite the fact that I make $69,000,000,000 per year. Jordan Peterson, Rollo Tamasi, Roosh V, Chuck Norris, the Old Spice man and Terry Crews all write me fan ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:58 AM
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The marital stability stuff is a perfect display of correlation doesn't equal causation. Someone who's going to stay a virgin till marriage likely is very traditional - probably religious - and therefore places a high premium on marrying for life and sticking out a marriage no matter what. That attitude would also provide a motivated reason to claim higher marital happiness on a self reported survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:48 AM
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I don't see why this would be true of women and not of men. In fact, I would actually argue this is more true of men than anything based on this discourse of this sub. You often see male and female celebrities used as examples on this sub of top percentage attractiveness - but now that I think about it, I'm not sure a single man I've seen described this way is openly queer. Meanwhile, bi woman celebrities are brought up all the time as total smokeshows by both men and women on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:48 AM
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I think this is a case of "the grass is always greener". Aside from discrimination/bigotry (which can be better or worse based on where you live) the gay male community has its own set of woes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 11:11 PM
1

What about charge they phone and McDonald's?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 08:42 PM
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And that to protect women, we must allow people with full beards and enough muscle to overpower 90% of women into women's changing rooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:37 PM
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Every woman prefers different things He knows this doesn't contradict 80/20 at all, right? Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:22 PM
1

I think I saw this linked from another sub, I don't quite remember. I stayed because I was fascinated. I saw a community of men who were strongly committed to a worldview that didn't match my experience of dating and relationships at all. I got a new appreciation for how diverse the human experience really is. And began to think that, maybe, we are different from the cishets in ways beyond just who we date.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:10 PM
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I would say in a broad sense, they are the gay men's ideal. Masc for Masc is real and the term "gym bunny" (for a man who spends all his time working out) came from the gay male community.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:00 PM
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That's a really good point. You can stack pounds up real quick if you're not paying attention, but there's not a healthy way to lose that much weight that fast - and you have to be pretty deliberate and disciplined to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:55 PM
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As it turns out, nobody likes a children's author spouting off ill-informed political hot takes. Her support for the gay community 10 years ago was as hollow and shallow as her transphobia today. She made the choice to turn her public platform into a vehicle for an increasingly divisive political movement. The fact that people are distancing theselves from it is on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:53 PM
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The reason for the language change wasn't to accomodate trans women, but trans men. The people who menstruate who tend not to like being called women. In her big manifesto, she has no problem using words like "people with vaginas" or "the female-bodied", so I guess it's only bad when a pro-transgender source does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:47 PM
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It's more that she doesn't even understand trans people, the multiple ideologies within the trans movement, or the goals of said movement. I can say I have a black friend all I want, people are still going to raise their eyebrows at me when I ask why "the coloreds" need to drink at the same water fountains as white people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:44 PM
2

I've literally never heard this criticism of JK Rowling, but if it's true I think even less of her now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:41 PM
1

Talking about group difference is all about framing. Often group differences are brought up as an explanation or justification for the current state of affairs, and as an argument against social change. More often than not, this comes from a deeply ideological place. For a fun game, take the researchers cited in The Bell Curve and try to see how many connection points it takes to get to a blatantly racist or eugenicist organization like the Klan or the American Nazi Party. (Betcha can't get more…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:40 PM
2

This sub has definitely done more in the past 3 months to affirm my gender identity than anything else. The experiences of many of the men here are alien to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 04:15 PM
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Different person but I've seen the same. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main differences between Red and Black is that Black is that the factors that most affect attraction are those that can't be changed (height, facial features, etc) and that some men are destined to be unattractive and lonely. Red, meanwhile, emphasizes the importance of self improvement and game to improve outcomes when seeking relationships. There's a lot of focus on height here. A lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:56 PM
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That study doesn't sound like it's measuring desire from the wording you used. I imagine there's a good chunk of men who wouldn't want to date a woman who's broke. She can't afford to pay her way on any cool dates, and an LTR with her is going to be much harder financially should you choose to cohabitate and eventually marry her. But from what men here have described, it sounds like their pure sexual/romantic attraction to that woman would not be affected outright. Even though it's the wizard br…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:40 PM
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Perhaps she does not like the options she is given. You can reject any number of people who don't meet your standards then approach the people who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:08 PM
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The trans experience is always going to be distinct from the cis experience, that much we can agree on. But sex-specific experiences like sex drive totally change with hormones, and I think trans people can provide valuable insight into these conversations because they've experienced both sides of it. Ditto for trans people who pass in most situations speaking to how men and women are treated differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:58 AM
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No inferiority complexes here. When you approach a man you are putting him on blast. Nobody likes being subjected to an ambush trial of his worth and character on the spot, so it is natural that a man will react with feeling somehow mocked or attacked. Who the fuck thinks like this? There are plenty of men in this thread with a neutral or positive attitude towards being approached, and the rest don't like it because they're traditional and they see it as unfeminine or whatever. There's no "trial…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 05:43 AM
-1

The Left does not have complete control of education. Give the Right some credit here - my local school board has three Republicans on it!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:26 PM
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I'm not saying JP isn't sincerely held up by many men as a male role model, but I'm wondering where this idea came from that he was some kind of an anomaly. Masculine older men in the self-help world are nothing new, even in the area of advice directed specifically at men. I honestly think people just liked him because he was political.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 08:06 PM
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I'm not convinced that men's biggest problems today come from a lack of cultural masculinity. Alimony and biased custody/divorce courts are a relic of a society that was in every way more patriarchial than this one. And while some feminists, especially 2nd wave radical feminists, do dismiss male SA/rape victims, the traditional-masculine society they tried to replace would have been just as cruel to that experience. That same society would have also taken modern men's very real loneliness, depre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 08:02 PM
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I don't understand why you demand consistency from RP guys when women in general don't offer any consistency whatsoever in our mainstream debates. They always demand men should just suck it up and even POLICE male preferences In fairness, "women" is a group of people that includes 1/2 of the entire adult human population, with all of their varying beliefs, values, and experiences. RP men are a subculture within a subculture (The Manosphere) that itself is a niche internet phenomenon largely conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:39 PM
1

I used to think 20 at 20 was excessive, and it's certainly above the average, but then I thought about how long a timescale we're actually talking about here. Let's say she starts having sex at 15 - people have bfs/gfs in high school and plenty of high school relationships don't last that long, plus hooking up still happens at that age anyway. That's one sexual partner per fiscal quarter, averaged out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:32 PM
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I mean more in the sense that a study that finds a concrete result that may have a political implication doesn't need a policy recommendation stuffed into the conclusion of the paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 05:34 AM
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There's also a more feminist dimension to the rising polygyny of the agricultural revolution. There's an argument than the AR is when Patriarchy™️ really got its start, citing anthropological evidence that ye olde hunter/gatherer societies were more egalitarian in governance than agrarian ones (not fully egalitarian, just less overtly patriarchial than the alternative). Tribal leaders in the latter were those that could control and organize scarce resources, and their positions of power in turn …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:56 AM
1

I kind of like that. Not all science has to be politicized.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:42 AM
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I do agree a flat rent isn’t the best approach. A better compromise would be making him pay for his share utilities and groceries Maybe it's me being cynical, but I just feel like the parents are making money off of the system when it's a flat rent like that. And making money from your kid for their failure to find their own housing arrangement is just...ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:33 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but in societies where intergenerational living is more common, there's a sense of collective ownership of the house as well. Like, whoever legally owns it is expected to bequeath it rather than sell, everyone pitches in on household expenses rather than pay a flat rent to the legal owner, and more consensus in household decisions when everyone's an adult. Whereas, in the US, it's more common to just charge adult children rent and a much stronger "my house, my rules" att…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:29 AM
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In fairness, it's also not a typical landlord/tenant situation - landlords don't typically share the same housing unit with their renters. And the low rent simply reflects the low cost of housing a person in that situation. Profit margins for landlords aren't especially high (given they're either subleasing or paying off a mortgage on the property) and even $300 monthly would be at or above cost - depending on what the youngster is and is not paying for themselves. So, yeah, if it is above cost …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 01:18 AM
3

Good. The Cuomo family is a crooked racket and his brother belongs in jail for a long, long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:36 PM
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I'm sure this isn't what that person was going for, but I see nothing of a signed rental agreement in this post. This means the adult children have no legal claim to residency in that house (they can be removed at will, at any time, with or without cause), the parent can increase rent any amount at any time, and can impose whatever restrictions they like on the child and their possessions, including those forbidden by landlord-tenant law. If you're going to charge your kids rent, you should be d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:34 PM
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Now I'm curious. What does the same data set say for males?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 09:56 PM
2

I think this is something all sides on this debate can agree on. I remember seeing a documentary about the Manosphere (The Red Pill, probably) and every man they interviewed had a story about a divorce or bad breakup that led them to where they are today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 09:45 PM
2

When I was last single, I used a couple of different dating services, including Bumble. While I definitely got my best matches on there, most of the women didn't have any game. Surprise, surprise, the smoothest talker also had experience dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 09:42 PM
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I've met quite a few women who are privately pro-life, politically pro-choice. Abortion grosses them out - if they don't outright agree it's murder - and they'd never in a million years have one themselves. They might not even want to be friends with people who've had one. However, they agree with the pro-choicers that abortion bans merely push abortion into the world of DIY and the black market, which endangers mothers while saving no babies. They also recognize that greater access to contracep…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 09:32 PM
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Some of these summaries specifically mention "infidelity" and others just say "extramarital sexual partners". Is there a distinction between infidelity and things like polyamory, open relationships and the like?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 09:22 PM
2

Not a huge fan of the Great Replacement references in the comments, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:09 PM
4

We generally recognize brain death as the point at which personhood ends. Not mentally disabled, not comatose, irreversible brain death. Nothing that maintains consciousness, independent thought or anything else more spiritual people would attribute to a "soul" is working, or ever will again. That said, I think it's a very good practice for folks to have a living will that states exactly what they want done when they're in this kind of situation, or any other where medical decisions are made by …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:32 PM
3

Abusers also often prey on people with unhealthy attachment styles yhat make them more vulnerable to shit like love-bombing. By the time the other person realizes they're in an abusive relationship, it's not easy to just up and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:27 PM
2

It's also worth pointing out that the differences in toy preference are pretty basic things like males having a preference for motion and females having a preference for soft textures, that don't map 1-to-1 with the toys our current society thinks of as "boy toys" and "girl toys". For example, while a stuffed animal is exactly the kind of toy this research would say is a "girl" toy, most would see it as more unisex than a Barbie doll, which is posable and not soft, closer to a GI Joe or a Bionic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:23 PM
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I think many men have become softened (not in a good way) and rely on their female partner to provide half of the income yet also do most domestic work. Feminism has created weak and lazy men unfortunately. I think it’s put more work on women. In defense of Feminism, this has been part of the discourse for a while. Feminists in the 70s wrote about how despite women becoming an increasing part of the labor force (for the middle and upper classes, that is, as poor women almost always had to work),…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 04:17 PM
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Then soon after he posted a real simple, innocent clip on instagram of him jokingly singing along to something in his car, to which my colleague said "I dont think he's good looking any more after that." Literally me whenever someone I'm into pulls out a cigarette.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:21 PM
1

Technically speaking, you can't change your sex...yet. I'm sure gonad transplants are coming eventually. Regardless, the current suite of treatments get people close enough that those who have the means to get them are generally satisfied. And someone has 85% of sex linked characteristics opposite their assigned birth sex, I'm also not going to pretend they're identical to someone of that same birth sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:04 PM
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I'm not advocating for everyone to completely flip the script and act like it's opposite day on gender roles. I believe each individual should look at these roles critically and ask themselves, "Is this the kind of person I want to be?". On average, men will tend towards acting masculinely and women towards acting femininely, we don't need social pressure to make sure of that. People are best in the role suited to their individual personality, values, and skills. That's not just for relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 02:59 PM
1

It's only fine as long as you grind up the pieces then drink them with a dash of lime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:30 AM
1

The first part. That on average, relationships are obly successful by following gender roles. I'm just saying it's a weird way to say what - I think - you getting at. It sounds like you're acknowledging that most hetties like gender roles, and that these people should pair up. But the phrasing makes it seem like that's the safe thing to do for everyone or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:33 AM
1

Give me all the F's then. I'll gobble them up. One for every social construct that currently keeps our society running.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:29 AM
1

If you watch 600 Pound Life and stuff like that, it's just sad. Most of these people are addicted to food just like a smoker is addicted to cigarettes. It's not even fun or enjoyable anymore, but their already sucky life would be worse without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:26 AM
1

The safety thing is huge. I've only ever been ice-cold approached by a woman in public once (while I was working lmao) and it really threw me off. All the other times a woman approached me for a date, we were at least acquainted first or among mutual friends. I don't know what that one chick was thinking, going after a total stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:22 AM
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Can people just like what they like without it being part of some conspiracy, please? If you're not into overweight people, don't date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:17 AM
3

I can't tell if this is sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:12 AM
5

Does being in the office = getting more work done, though? Getting raises and promotions is a game of social connections more than productivity or anything else, the fact that the people who spend more time at the office are getting opportunities WFHers don't is kind of a "no shit Sherlock" moment. I don't like that fact, but I'm not sure what is to be done about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:11 AM
0

That's a really weird to say "masculine men who want feminine women should date feminine women and vice-versa". Many, maybe even most, heterosexuals like traditional gender roles on some level. Of course they're going to be better off in a gender-normative relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:07 AM
3

If I'm shit at my "intended" function but excel in another one, what value is there to doing that function? Nature isn't going to be offended, nature simply is. If it were going to be, it would be much more offended by the fact that my girlfriend survived appendicitis and I asthma than the fact that she's handy and I like to clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 05:05 AM
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Of course sex is real. We wouldn't be demanding the right to medically transition to a different sex if it were not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:06 AM
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They shouldn't be, IMO. That just leaves room for discrimination. Maybe after you get the job, or college admission, they can ask your gender for demographic purposes, but that's about it. Sex should be even more exclusive - it's private medical information, not anyone's business except for you, your doctor, and the people you're sleeping with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 03:05 AM
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Have you ever considered that maybe your worldview could be incorrect, or at least incomplete?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 12:57 AM
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If you believe that the people who think different from you are elites conspiring to collapse society, rather than well meaning individuals who want to make the world a better place but disagree on the how, then you've gone off the deep end mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 12:13 AM
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Many of our evolved adaptations are vestigial. Women have better color vision, presumably because they did most of the "gathering" part of hunter/gatherer societies. But most women never use this sex-linked trait for its original purpose. Few maintain gardens, and fewer still work in fields picking fruits and vegetables. And we don't really consider gardening a feminine characteristic, at least in the modern west.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:54 PM
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I'm curious, what led you to this point of view? You mention having a very traditional family, is that a part of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:50 PM
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Not if the "old schematic" doesn't work for you lmao. My first relationship was incredibly gender-normative, and I was miserable. Actually swore off dating heterosexual women for years afterwards because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 10:47 PM
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When I first heard "vaccine mandate" from the right, it was framed as people being lined up at some government office with prison time for those who do not comply. The existing mandates basically take the approach that we use for MMR for kids and schools, and translates it to adults and workplaces. If you work for the government, you need a vax. If you work in the private sector, your employer has a choice whether to require it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:37 PM
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Vaccines not reducing transmission should only surprise people who thought vaccination meant they wouldn't need to wear masks In fairness, in the US at least this was actually the government's PR strategy. Earlier this year I saw the phrase "Vaxxed or Masked" quite a lot and the CDC guidance was that masks should not be required for fully vaccinated individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:33 PM
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I think a lot of the problems come from the conflicts between the two approaches. Democrat mandates don't work if the minority Republican constituency doesn't play ball. Republican economic re-invigoration doesn't work if more COVID-cautious Democrats don't work or refuse to go back to the office.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:11 PM
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I'd say both sides are helping, in their own terms, by providing a clear direction in approaching this virus. The right says, let's keep economic activity high and avoid drifting further into recession, while saving who we can and leaving risk mitigation up to the individual. The left says, risk mitigation should be the top priority and we'll try to manage economic impact along the way, framing COVID as a societal-level problem that takes collective action to solve.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:06 PM
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It sounds like you're saying that a leftist woman must act in some gender-neutral way. Even if you assume the liberal feminist position 100%, you're still going to have some people whose interests, personality traits, and fashion choices line up with what is traditionally feminine. Even if we lived in a fully feminist, post-gender society or whatever, some people are going to have those qualities by pure coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:02 PM
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There's a lot of information out there and many of the people making decisions about COVID policy are just trying to balance public safety, the economy, and public opinion. This comment assumes malevolence on the part of these decision makers and I don't think that's realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:47 PM
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"How much longer"? This study is, like, 3 weeks old. I hope that this becomes part of the literature used to inform public policy, but I think expecting COVID regulations to turn on a dime immediately because of one study is quite unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:41 PM
1

Good luck organizing a whole 50% of a population to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:21 PM
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I think it's a little bit more complex than that. To analyze my own source critically, the only 3 options for abortion legality were "yes" "yes with restrictions" and "no". And given the numbers, many of both men and women who were pro-life must have answered "yes with restrictions". It's possible that the "pro-choice" women saw "restrictions" as meaning things like 3rd trimester abortions that even many abortion advocates are against, whereas "pro-life" men understood it as a general ban with e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:07 PM
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No, but it's still a huge step up from 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:03 PM
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That seems like a somewhat fair assessment, and FWIW Ginsberg when asked about if afterwards expressed similar sentiment. It's hard as a Supreme Court Justice to rule on cases like this, because any ruling is going to carry tremendous precedent, and set the tone for that issue in the national discourse for years to come. I imagine judges sometimes have to make the "right" call for the wrong reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:03 PM
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As a pansexual nonbinary male, I've been repeatedly told by TRP men that the queer experience is not a valid rebuttal to their beliefs. So much for a comprehensive view on human sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:58 PM
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Eh, it's valid for anyone to have what standard they want, even if it's silly or hypocritical from the outside. The only person losing out is that person, decreasing their dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:55 PM
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You know that being a leftist/markist and being feminine aren't mutually exclusive, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:49 PM
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Being financially dependent on someone else is a precarious position to be in, whether you're a stay at home parent, going back to school full time and taking time off work, or disabled and unable to work for the medium/long term. I'm not just talking about power dynamics here - though that's definitely a factor - I'm also talking about how a layoff knocks out 100% of the family's income stream rather than 50%. There's just more risk involved, and I think it's foolish to call earning more money …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:47 PM
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Your first couple of paragraphs seem to agree with #6 but contradict #1. If a gal strives to keep good company and only have kind, hardworking and upstanding people in her life, and her father is an asshole and a loser despite her best efforts, then of course she's not going to have much of a relationship with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:32 PM
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The bigger issue IMO with the SMP model is that there's rarely any acknoledgement that, like every other economic market, people want different things. Smaller markets exist within the overall market, and some offerings have a high niche appeal but low overall appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:27 PM
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I think that's what the askwomen OP was getting at, though. They don't want a situation where there are a ton of dudes they probably aren't interested in throwing themselves at her. It's hard to sift through the dirth of dick and find someone you're into and might actually get along with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:10 PM
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In the US especially, saying "no fat chicks" and holding to that actually narrows your dating pool quite a bit. If you're not into a certain body type, then don't try to make it work obviously - but they still are being choosy in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:07 PM
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According to Gallup men and women are pretty similar on their stance on abortion legality (legal vs. legal in certain cases vs. always illegal), but significantly more men use the label "pro-life". Which kind of makes sense, as more men than women vote for conservative candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:01 PM
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My stance on Roe is the same as my stance on Obergefell. I don't like that these rights were won through a court ruling and not legislation, but I certainly appreciate that they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 02:53 PM
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I agree totally with having standards and knowing what you want, but I think this list is a bit too broad to generalize, and is probably more useful for someone looking for a more traditional relationship/marriage. Everyone else has said, some parents just suck. Dads included. I won't discount anyone for having a bad (or no) relationship with an abusive or neglectful dad. I think this is a potential red flag. Divorces and family conflict in general are often tramatic for kids, and if I'm dating …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:24 AM
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I mean, I tend to take someone at their word when they say what their orientation is unless their experience speaks loudly to the contrary. While being conventionally attractive and tall both confer privileges outside the dating world, being asexual when you have a physical characteristic likely to be a big hang-up for many people is actually a big plus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 12:29 AM
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Another bi male here (pan technically but irrelevant in context) and both corners of the dating world have beef. Many straight women see M/M sex as gross and have an especially weird feeling about having a dick inside of them that was in another man's butt. There's also some AIDS hysteria and fears about being used as a beard, but that's less common today and usually happens with older people. Some gay men meanwhile are terrified that they're going to be used as an "experiment" and discarded the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 12:25 AM
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The term for this is "Abundance Mindset", I think. Some people (myself included) believe that hypergamy is a result of a relationship to the sexual marketplace that lets one be choosy - rather than some essential aspect of female nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 12:11 AM
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True facts. All the women I know who proposed to their boyfriends have women in their dating history. Whereas most of the hets haven't even made the first move on a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 12:08 AM
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Or just accept that you're going to be swimming in a smaller dating pool. Choosing to champion a socio-political agenda or not based on how well it will help you get laid seems like the dumbest idea ever. Besides, who wants to protest, lobby or organize with people that are just there to score?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 10:43 PM
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"Built for it" is very literal if you're talking about nursing. Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense. The idea that women are inherently better parents "because biology" or "because evolution" doesn't bear out in the evidence. Single moms and lesbian couples do not see better outcomes for their children than single dads and gay male couples, respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:47 PM
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By that logic, we would expect children raised by single dads to perform better than two lesbian moms. Does the evidence bear that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:45 PM
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It's so much worse when you actually get into that situation. I had a BF who was into that side of kink, all the way up into rape fantasies and consensual non-consent (as the raped one). Having someone tell you that their consent doesn't matter is fucking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:28 PM
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In IRL BDSM relationships, that's certainly more the case - the sub has full veto power on anything that's done to them - but those who practice that lifestyle also say 50 Shades veers too close to the dominant running the show inside and outside of the bedroom (without adequate consent from the sub).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:09 PM
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I don't agree with his assessment of male attraction as being context-independent, but that's how he thinks it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:01 PM
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I'm into dudes and don't find that man attractive whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:00 PM
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Yeah, he should have just said "context-independent".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 01:57 PM
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Congratulations!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:14 AM
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Third?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:13 AM
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My first instinct is to think that's fucking nonsense. But from the perspective of TRP believers, it fits into their worldview. They believe that all women are hypergamous, and that out-earning their partner will make them less attracted to him. Therefore her earning more money is an inherent threat to the stability of their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:45 AM
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See, I thought the premise of AF/BB was that there were these groups of men who were both "attractive" in different ways for different reasons. Alpha Fucks is suave, sexy dominant man. Good for hookups and short term fun. Appeals to the lizard brain. Beta Bucks is the safe, compassionate, dependable provider. Good for building a life together with. Appeals to the rational brain. Someone who isn't physically attractive isn't necessarily a good provider or a nice person, so these guys who don't pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:41 AM
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I highly recommend everyone shave their armpits. It has a surprising impact on reducing BO.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:35 AM
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Is the world really so simple that all men can be sorted into alphas and betas?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:27 AM
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I think whether or not that is reflected in your upbringing really depends on the community you grew up in. Plenty of girls that age remember being told growing up, for example, that a boy (basically) bullying you was a sign of affection. We have plenty of pieces of high school media where the most conventionally attractive girl is with the sportsball star with a big ego - who might also be the school bully. So I understand someone might not "get it" from their own experiences, but that's not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:24 AM
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One of my closer friends dated a guy like that. He was probably closer to a tradcon than TRP to be honest, but he talked about being "Red Pilled" a lot and read some TRP and PUA books over the years. He eventually got super insecure about the fact that she was going to start out-earning him once she got her degree, and kept insisting on increasingly strict gender roles in their relationship to compensate. She wasn't down for that and she left him. From the grapevine, apparently after the breakup…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:15 AM
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I guess this ties in to the larger conversation about to what degree what we see in porn reflects people's true desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:10 AM
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I don't know where "women will never admit it" comes from. In various sex or relationship subreddits, including this one, you'll find women openly talking about how they're submissive in bed. Almost every survey taken on the matter comes to a similar conclusion - that most (straight) men prefer dominant sexual roles, and (straight) women submissive ones. Most women are sexually submissive to some degree, and this was literally never a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 05:07 AM
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The masc-for-masc and femme-for-femme communities would like a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 11:53 PM
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This is exactly the presumptive approach that earns TRP its bad reputation. The idea that all women are the same - or similar enough - and that by understanding women as a group, you know an individual woman better than she knows herself. This is hogwash, of course. You don't know what she'd do with any type of man outside of the information she's volunteered. She's a stranger on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 09:13 PM
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Maybe the women you've met do that. I can't say I've known many who have. It sounds like some weird FBI larper shit at best and outright stalker behavior at worst, whether it's a man or a woman doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:48 PM
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Idk, I feel like a dating profile is the place to put that stuff. Unless I'm planning to date somebody myself, I don't need to know their stance on fat chicks, tall men, or what surgeries they want a trans person to have before they sleep with one. It stings a little bit to see a hottie with an interesting profile only to scroll to the end and see "NO [trait you possess] PEOPLE", but it saves all parties involved time and effort versus the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:44 PM
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I tried OLD for a bit, and while it didn't lead to anything past a few dates, the filters did a pretty good job of sorting out people I wouldn't be compatible with. They're getting better...as long as people are honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:28 PM
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This strikes me as a bit of an odd take. I don't think any relationship (even marriage) entitles you to all information about a person that exists. If you wanna go full-transparency in your relationships, go for it, but I think your approach is a little presumptive - and might make someone you're pursuing a relationship with feel violated if you act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:25 PM
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In their home, sure. But a rental property isn't a home. When you put something you own up for sale or rent, it is subject to certain restrictions and regulations that don't apply if you used what you owned for your own purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:04 PM
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There isn't a benefit to you, but any law like that isn't made for the benefit of landlords, it's made for the benefit of the end user - the tenant. I'm not super in favor of such a law, since I'm neither a pet owner nor a landlord I don't have a dog in that race. All I'm saying is that a law that requires a specific service to be rendered, or rendered to specific people, but allows the one providing the service to pass along the added cost to the user is consistent with how services and utiliti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:47 PM
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I think you're really reading too much into this. I'm no fan of the network myself and have my own criticisms of how they cover politically contentious topics, but this is a stretch my dude. These tweets were made years apart, it's probably not even the same person who wrote both. And it's also Twitter, where organizations and celebrities struggle to be clear and accurate while also being concise. Should they have used the word "driver" for both? Maybe. But anyone with any passing knowledge of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:41 PM
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I didn't give a specific price because I'm not a landlord so I don't know the stats on the monetary value of damages incurred by pets. But I do know that, given enough data, a break-even point for average pet damages to property could be found. Pet deposits or a rent differential to pet owners could be as high as you or any other landlord wants it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:33 PM
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Why is this a women thing? It makes sense to me that good times are only appreciated when there's something to contrast them against, but not why this should affect only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:13 PM
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This is why we need to round up all the the SUV owners and place them in a quaint and pleasant white-majority suburb so that they don't run over the rest of us
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:07 PM
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I don't understand. What is the inconsistency I'm supposed to be seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:05 PM
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Isn't that line of argument typically the libertarian counter to people who say gay sex is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 03:03 PM
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Different commenter, but a couple that starts dating after 5 years of a close friendship or professional partnership is going to be much closer off the bat than the couple that met at a singles mixer and started dating right after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:56 PM
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I actually think that kind of law would be reasonable, as long as it still allowed landlords to charge pet fees. Just put it in the lease that you charge an extra X amount in rent for each pet, and if a pet is discovered that was not disclosed at lease signing, you owe that difference before the end of your leasing period. Landlords don't hate pets, they're just concerned about a dog tearing up the carpet or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:43 PM
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I've heard it used to specify someone who has never sexually assaulted a minor and intends not to; though the term "non-offending paedophile" also exists, so I assume it's just an optics game at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:39 PM
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Culture doesn't change overnight, and there's a mistake people make in conflating legal equality (Civil Rights act, repeal of Coverture laws, Equal Credit Opportunity, etc) with that society having no sexism. As if legal equality between the sexes removes the "culture" variable entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:36 PM
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I'm not sure why you specify female here. The male anatomy is more favorable to having many partners than female anatomy. And any anthropological or biological evidence against pair-bonding for life would apply equally to males and females, would it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 02:23 PM
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Isn't soft on crime usually a codeword for police reform from people who don't want police reform? If things like no knock warrants, drug criminialization, etc are "tough on crime", it would follow that getting rid of them would be "soft on crime".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:15 PM
2

The obesity epidemic predates any discourse on fat shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:03 PM
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Get a job is incorrect, but married women (and sometimes even single women) didn't have access to financial instruments like bank accounts and loans in their own name without a male cosigner. The ability of a woman to be legally and financially autonomous is younger than many people on this forum, with some of these laws not being repealed until the 90s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:01 PM
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Men already had a collective movement against feminism way before your friend Tom. It's called conservatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:56 PM
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Your theory posits that, for most of history, people freely picked their partners, at least partially based on attraction factors. I'm not a historian so someone can correct me, but weren't most marriages throughout history brokered by families and/or entered into for practical reasons (i.e. wealth, connections) first and foremost?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:49 AM
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Orbiting someone you're interested in after they've rejected you/found someone else just prolongs the pain. It's hard, but making space between you and that other person is the healthiest thing you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 04:27 AM
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I'm not vilifying it. That's just the perspective that informs a more puritanical view on sex, most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:19 PM
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This. I think such an opportunity, if it were to exist, would just help men decide what they really want, and I think many would want more than this no strings attached casual arrangement that anyone can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:06 PM
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Why should the man be the leader?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:04 PM
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Do you have a perspective on why that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:03 PM
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Normal is relative. You can argue that it ain't right, from a religious conservative perspective. But it's a thing quite a few people do now, and many of them are open about it. It's definitely normal now, far more than it was a decade ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 03:00 PM
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I would say that gays and lesbians are totally normalized now. Notice how nobody in the West is trying to fight gay marriage anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 02:51 PM
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If that were true, wouldn't we see better outcomes for children raised by single mothers versus single fathers, and by lesbian couples versus straight and gay male couples?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:04 PM
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I have the experience of being that person. A couple years ago, I wound up in a group that was mostly RP and RP-adjacent men (we were all in college, for age reference), and eventually we had that conversation where we started bragging about our past romantic and sexual successes. Several of them got incredibly upset at the prospect that this short, thin, narrow-framed femboy of a man had slept with more women than they did. I didn't match their mental picture of what someone with dating success…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 03:30 PM
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You've dropped a lot of names and said a lot, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take from it. That some Democrats/Feminists are opportuninistic or hypocritical when it comes to allegations against people in power on their side vs. the other guy? Sure I'll agree with that. I remember the 2020 election cycle. I was on team Tara Reade and on team Impeach Cuomo, and I didn't like that some Feminists seemed to siddenly flip sides on that issue. Again, I don't see how getting falsely accused of a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 02:50 PM
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Or maybe you're lumping a bunch of different ideas here and calling them "Blue Pill". I've seen plenty of arguments against hypergamy on this sub, and none of them try to disprove hypergamy by saying that men and women's tastes are equally varied. Because that has nothing to do with the real or assumed desire for women to "marry up".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 03:13 AM
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I was always a bit skeptical when it comes to accusations between private persons, and that has been affirmed by going through it myself. When it comes to public figures, though, as we see in #MeToo, I was and am still on the side of those women. Making an accusation against a public figure is an uphill battle that guarantees you an anti-fandom for the rest of your life, and often no tangible benefits in the near or long term. I don't think someone in their right mind would do that without feeli…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 03:11 AM
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Caring whether or not a child is yours is a concern I just don't relate to. I always knew that if I wanted children in my life as an adult, I would adopt or foster. So any kid that has spent its entire life being provided for and parented by me is my kid. Now, the cheating thing is its own animal. I think anyone in that situation has every right to be mad at the infedelity and the fraud, and I would feel that way too if it were me. But I don't see it having an impact on how much I would love the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:51 PM
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Then I'd have to question the strength of his original convictions in the first place. I was falsely accused and I can't say it had a big effect on my politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:45 PM
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Why not aim high? Live free, date 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:35 PM
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I think the amount of experience a 22 year old has is really up in the air. If all 4 of their adult years were spent as a full time university student, with limited (if any) jobs and extracurricular activities, they really don't have much more life experience than an 18 year old. I think that dynamic can be unhealthy and exploitative, I just don't think every situation with that age gap necessarily is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:25 PM
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Sometimes it's just because the person is hot. At least in the 22 year old's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:40 PM
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I don't think it's morally wrong per se, but I do think that two people with radically different life circumstances getting together is going to end badly more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:39 PM
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I don't see where it follows that the woman should be attracted to you, though. Being attracted to someone also isn't one-for-one connected with feeling safe around a person, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:37 PM
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There's actually a lot of exclusion of certain body types in the gay community. Gay men have the most eating disorders per capita for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:06 PM
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Those strike me as several different propositions folded into one argument. It can be true that women find fewer men attractive than men find women, but false that women generally prefer the same kind of man, and also false that women specifically want someone "better" than herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 02:59 PM
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Maybe that's why the idea of a "gay best friend" is so popular. You know that there's never going to be that sexual/romantic tension because nothing's ever going to happen between you two.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 02:53 PM
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Is believing that any emotionally intimate relationship between people of compatible sexualities will lead to sex a blue pill thing now? I always thought that was just called "being wrong".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 02:52 PM
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It looks like you're starting with a conclusion and just assuming anyone with a contrary experience is lying to you. Sometimes a person isn't attractive at a first impression, but that also isn't set in stone. Sometimes people change physically (get in shape, better style/hygeine, etc) or they show interests or traits of character over time that make them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 02:47 PM
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We'll never know for sure what would have happened with more women in charge, but it's a fairly reasonable assumption. The connection between testosterone and risk taking behavior is well known.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 03:49 AM
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If that were true, we'd expect that single-father households would have worse outcomes for kids than single-mother household, and a similar story for lesbian couples vs. straight couples vs. gay male couples. In fact, life outcomes for kids are far better in single-father households, and outcomes across sexual orientations are pretty equal when you account for the differing rates of adoption vs. biological children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 03:45 AM
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At the ripe old age of 25, I'm glad I just missed this. That sounds exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 01:37 PM
1

This is like Lysistrata but sex-reversed and an even dumber plan
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 01:04 PM
1

How has feminism, which encouraged women to get into the workforce- especially prestigious jobs like politics or STEM - responsible for women being less proud of their accomplishments?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 01:03 PM
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There is a growing trend of governments, insurance companies and the like making the benefits of marriage accessible to domestic partnerships as well. I think this is great, especially for those people who think marriage is a raw deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 01:18 PM
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Minor nitpick: while deadbeat moms are less common in an absolute sense (because non-custodial parents are overwhelmingly men), when you look at the gender breakdown of non-custodial parents who are delinquent on child support, it's basically equal with a slight lean towards deadbeat moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:07 AM
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I said that because I've observed this difference in all genders. Of course men and women are differen't - I wouldn't be trans if I thought otherwise. I think the dating app research is interesting, but I think more should be done to investigate if the people (or women, in your example) who use dating apps are necessarily representative of the population as a whole. Are they looking for the same things as non-dating app users are when dating? Are there certain demographic characteristics, includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 04:03 AM
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This is probably going to be a hot take here, but I think it needs to be more than just dads. In fact, having a network of positive male role models is probably more important than necessarily having a dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 03:57 AM
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Bi/Pansexual people aren't magically an exception to all of the "innate truths of human nature". Some of them just decided gender roles are dumb after experiencing what dating is like without them. And maybe more of sexual dynamics are learned or socially constructed than you'd like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 03:44 AM
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The biggest thing I've seen is that reading PPD, you'd get the idea that everyone was attracted to basically the same thing. I'm friends with a lot of people of varying genders and sexualities, and it's a recurring joke that we greatly disagree on what strangers/celebrities are hot or not. People's attractions and "types" vary a lot, and there's just a few things everyone wants to some degree (symmetrical and proportional features, generally clear skin) but everything else is open season.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 02:18 PM
1

Just don't date chicks who do that stuff if you don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 02:08 PM
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Yeah, but everyone possesses the same sexuality. Everyone has the ability to consent to, and engage in, sex. They do not lose said sexuality or gain another person's when they do the "trasaction", either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 01:48 PM
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Shouldn't we, as a society, treat people's intimate sexual relationships differently than public tax dollars?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 01:41 PM
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This is a very good summary
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 02:12 PM
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video games As someone with a gamer GF, this confuses me. Are they bad because they're a time sink when you could be doing cooler stuff like rock climbing? Or because there's few to no IRL social opportunities involving video games?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 01:14 PM
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If you choose a specific style just to appeal to women, you're doing it wrong. You might assume that a woman with a similar style in a similar subculture would be attracted to you if you take on that style. But that's not guaranteed. Maybe that Plain Jane is into folks with wild hair and a lot of tattoos. The oclosest thing to a universal guideline is: don't be boring. But there's a lot of different ways to express yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 01:08 PM
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He gives the example of men who want a virgin provoking that response from women in the first minute of the video. I agree it isn't controlling, and I think the answer to "is it sexist" is that it probably depends on the man with that preference. Is he sleeping around himself, yet most interested in people who are sexually chaste? Or is he just very religious or something and looking for someone with similar values?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 03:34 PM
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IMO that's overcomplicating what rejection is. It's not like women never approach men, it's just less common. Approach with intent to get sex/dates + refusal by the other party = rejection. No matter the gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 03:29 PM
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I think it has more to do with the women than with the man. Most of the women I know who "take initiative" in their relationships with men are either feminists, or also have other women in their dating history. Either bi people and feminists are missing "innate instincts" or maybe some people just prefer traditional gender roles while others don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 03:01 PM
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There's also local social events, mixed-sex rec sports, volunteering and shit like that. There's plenty of ways to meet new people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:52 PM
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Soft disagree. The person cold approaching you has already decided you're worth their time based on looks or a first impression. You have to actively sabotage that opportunity to not get a number or a date out of being cold approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:49 PM
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I've been cold approached by women and it's plenty awkward the other way around, too. Though it was flattering the first few times, I have to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:47 PM
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And? Maybe finding love isn't like going to the gym. At least, not for everyone. I get the impression that I'm supposed to have gone about my love life another way, despite my lifestyle having worked for me and leading to some quite fulfilling relationships, including the one I'm in now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:41 PM
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I might have misunderstood OP then, it seemed like they were lumping him in with the MGTOW's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:23 PM
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That's a good point, you could distill it all to a numbers game. I guess my idea was that while people who don't cold approach might not deal with rejection very often, the point of cold approaching is that you wade through a mountain of rejection to get to an eventual "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:22 PM
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Well, yeah. Cold approaching people is totally a numbers game. You will find success eventually, but you're going to get turned down a lot, even if you're beautiful. Nobody is everybody's type, and not every rando in public is even receptive to a cold approach at all. Though I do agree, being beautiful will make you more successful. Cold approaching is like OLD in that the other person's assessment of you will be based entirely on appearances and a few superficial interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:10 PM
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He doesn't seem like he's really engaging with the opposing argument. You wouldn't know from his video why these women believe that wanting a virgin is sexist/controlling or whatever. Also, isn't the point of MGTOW to not concern oneself with women? If so, why do the public facing ones spend so much time talking about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:03 PM
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I suppose I've just been lucky then, I guess? Because I've enjoyed my experiences so far, for the most part (there were heartbreaks long the way, as there always are in love) and the few times I "worked on it" by using dating apps or going to singles events, I got way less out of it than I put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:48 PM
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Yup. Best, healthiest long term relationship I've had so far is with a super woke feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:42 PM
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Something I learned from Red Pillers: "Don't watch what people say, watch what they do". In practice, many TRPers are right wing, and their TRP beliefs inform those politics. I've been on this board for a while and I have yet to see more than, like, two adherents who are both TRP and fully in favor of gay and transgender rights, despite the fact that none of what you explained above is homo- or trans-phobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:38 PM
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What I mean is that I've almost never gone looking for a partner, sexual or otherwise. They just arose more-or-less organically from my pre-existing relationships. Obviously that's not how everyone does things, but I'm not really too upset about it. I'm not bothered by the fact some other people have had more sexual encounters or girlfriends than I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:30 PM
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Why does it suck for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 02:21 AM
3

I have a symmetrical, (probably) proportioned face, but then again so do most incels so how can I really know if it's helping or hurting me?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 12:31 AM
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I guess that's the big difference between me and some RPers I've met online. When they share their experiences, I believe them and understand how their experiences shaped their belief system. When I share mine, I am often told I am lying, or only banging ugly chicks, etc. While, yes, this is the internet and you can't vet individual experiences, I trust that people coming to a space like this to discuss their ideas are sharing their experiences in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 11:16 PM
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Eh. I'm not really "aiming" for a number. Sometimes stuff just happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:39 PM
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My partner ID's as pansexual, but like with the vast majority of pan/bi people, it wasn't immediately obvious when I met her. That'd be my problem with the "hets only" argument, because there are plenty of people in the het dating scene that aren't strictly het. Some who probably wouldn't mention it to a partner until months into an LTR, if ever. It strikes me as "these rules accurately encompass the whole of human behavior...except for all of the exceptions."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:33 PM
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This is the usual response, and I'm still not sure how one is supposed to respond to that. Everyone I've been involved with, from dates and hookups to LTRs, has been someone I found quite attractive. I wouldn't have pursued that opportunity otherwise. Would other men find all of them attractive? Maybe? I'm not a mind reader, but even if some of them weren't attractive to most men, that still gets away from the point of comments like these, which is that anyone with a different dating experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 10:21 PM
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For one, I'm everything TRP says isn't attractive in men: short, nerdy, skinny, long haired, baby faced, agreeable, openly compassionate, with androgynous fashion and effeminate mannerisms. And yet I have no problem getting a lay or a girlfriend for most of my adult life. My body count is between 5 and 8 depending on what acts count as sex, and I've been in healthy monogamous relationship for the past 2 years. If TRP ideology gives someone the motivation to better themselves and build relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/21 09:11 PM
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I think a lot of them are just really desperate for female attention and then when they get it, they drop their standards for healthy relationships and call it gratitude. Especially if you feel behind when it comes to sex/relationships, you don't want to "throw away" what you feel is one of very few opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:34 PM
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Look at almost any man in a major film or on the red carpet. At the least, their skin will be very clear and have an even color throughout. But usually you'll see brows filled in too. Many trans men who were really into makeup as women will find ways to contour their face to appear more masculine (stronger jaw, brow etc). The reason this isn't talked about more is because in both those cases, the point is to look like you're not wearing makeup. Talking about the fact that you're wearing makeup a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:19 PM
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The behavior you're describing is called peacocking, and men totally do it, just in more masculine ways most of the time. They get a nice, form-fitting suit or a sleek gold watch and show it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 07:12 PM
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The fact that most TRP axioms fail to translate into the queer dating scene is pretty damning of something that's supposed to tell the bitter truth of human nature. People's preferences for partners are all over the place, so ranking attractiveness on a number line makes no sense. The "carousel" is less a stage life for women and more a lifestyle of hookups and serial dating that some people of any gender slide into and out of throughout their lives. Hypergamy is really only a thing in the sugar…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 03:35 PM
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I can't find any stats on this offhand, but there are several dating services exclusively for trans people and a good handful of news stories about straight trans couples (who may or may not have bio kids) talking about how kuch easier it is to date a fellow trans person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 11:05 PM
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On top of this, a lot of trans people would rather date another trans person. It helps to have the similar experience, but it also avoids any potential violence when one's trans-ness is disclosed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:09 PM
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Trans people don't own most of the studios that have been pushing out "shemale" porn for the last 2 decades. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:07 PM
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I don't know how any rational person can listen to a transitioning trans person's experience and not agree that biology does inform gender roles in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:23 AM
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I agree with this. And all things aside, if you're a masculine straight cis guy you're probably going to get along better with other people like that because you're more likely to have similar interests and experiences. You don't have to be friends with every chick you know that you're also not banging.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:21 AM
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Thise same extremists will just say that trans people "don't know what it's like" for one reason or another. Even when it doesn't make sense. "You don't know what it's like to be objectified! You don't have XX chromosomes!" You what mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:18 AM
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It should be equally surprising to a kind of person who believes gender differences are fixed from birth, that someome born female could never understand the experiences of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:09 PM
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I think saying "your actions matter more than your impusles" would be a cold take by now. But then again, this is the internet so you never know...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:56 PM
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It probably has a lot to do with your dosage and what age you start a course of hormones. I don't imagine a trans dude in his 30s or 40s suddenly having the libido of a teenage boy, even if it is his first time on testosterone. Edit: just realized how high that dude's T was. Holy shit
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:49 PM
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Ideologically homogenous communities means echo chambers at best and authoritarian control of what people think and say at worst. No thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 12:53 PM
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"Best and safest option" implies everyone does, or should, value the same things in relationships - which obviously isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:38 PM
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People like having grand narratives that can explain all of male/female human interaction. Nuance is hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:25 PM
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He did lose in that he wasn't nominated, but I wouldn't call back-to-back second place (especially in 2020 when there were like 2 dozen candidates) as "losing embarassingly"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:51 PM
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This is an important point. If you're surrounded, in advertising and social media, by beautiful people every time you turn on any kind of screen or read any kind of publication, you're going to absorb some of that as "This is the standard", regardless of if people in your social circle are forcing that on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:47 PM
2

What ethnicity is being "cleansed"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 02:41 PM
1

We often fall into the myth that the nuclear family we speak of today has worked throughout times and hasn't been subject to reforms, changes and societal influence. As well as the myth that it's the best, most natural system. This motovates a lot of people that don't really want it to seek it anyway, and then do a "Surprised Pikachu Face" when they're still unfulfilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:27 PM
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Inb4 antifeminists say that's exactly what abortion does
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 02:18 AM
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Murray? The guy who wrote The Bell Curve? Does this one also cite the head of a white supremacist grant fund as its primary source, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 02:51 PM
1

This is the standard in gay dating, pretty much everyone folllws "You ask, you pay".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 02:00 PM
2

You need to know a lot fewer acronyms outside of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:55 PM
1

Yes, why would it not work the same way both ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:02 PM
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I'm BP as fuck, and even I think "She's not yours, it's just your turn" is good advice. This sense of ownership some people feel for their partners, and corresponding entitlement to be loved no matter what is fuckin weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:57 PM
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Maybe that's just wanting a stable second income? Business owners, especially owners of newer or smaller businesses, can't always afford to give themselves a steady salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:53 PM
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I understand what you're saying, and generally agree, but don't see how it answers my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 01:45 PM
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The ways people use SMV on here make no sense. Like, are we supposed to be calculating our prospective partners' SMVs and how attracted to them we are? How do you determine your own SMV or anyone else's? What does this mean for people attracted to body types generally seen as unattractive, like short men or overweight women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 07:28 PM
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Yeah. It's definitely more common that it used to be, but it still doesn't happen very often, especially if you're older. The experiences of all the men in these threads whenever the topic comes up definitely speaks to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 01:58 PM
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Statements 1 and 4 there seem like they fly in the face of intersectionality, and really make me wonder what kind of feminists you've been interacting with. Any good faith intersectional reading of our society and its history will recognize the degree to which demographic factors outside of sex or gender influence the direction of our lives and how much power we have. It's also foolishly optimistic at best to imagine that getting rid of one systemic inequality or social problem necessarily rids …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:49 AM
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That last paragraph is a frequent misunderstanding of transgender people that seems to come from a conflation of gender identity with gender expression. There are feminine transgender men and masculine transgender women alongside cis tomboys and effeminate men - something Dowling understands quite well, having spend 8 years of his life unhappily indentifying as a butch lesbian.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:32 AM
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Your second paragraph describes why, in my opinion, the names I named in my other comment are so uncontroversial. When you get out of more abstract questions like "is feminism still necessary as a force for positive change" and get into what we as individuals and a society should do to help men and boys, you get quite a bit of agreement, as well as some interesting discussion. Leftists who have taken "The Breadpill" (accepted the premise that capitalism is inherently exploitative and needs to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:49 PM
1

What do you see as some of the major disagreements?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:40 PM
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What makes you say this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:09 PM
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Have they? The Manosphere, which of course includes but is not limited to men's advocacy groups, has a huge reach across multiple highly trafficked web sites and plenty of web sites of their own, despite many of those platforms going hard against fringe elements of the Manosphere, such as incels and white nationalists. Beyond that, you have to admit that not all men's advocates receive this treatment. Jackson Katz discusses what healthy masculinity looks like in the 21st century, Terry Crews hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:08 PM
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Men's rights has a lot of unfortunate baggage. Mostly for being positioned as opposing feminism rather than opposing the same gender roles women fight against, but from a men's perspective focused on the plight of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:30 PM
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I don't think you'll ever find good data on that last point. The world has changed dramatically since then, in terms of the economy, available technology, global politics and more - I'm not sure how you would control for, say, the impact of feminism versus these other factors in evaluating life satisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 02:14 PM
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The white part is true, so I have racism/colorism on my side I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:21 AM
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Don't bother - this guy will call you a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 03:35 PM
1

Eh, I'd probably rate a super model as a 7. Not everyone's into the same features in other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 12:33 AM
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I've lurked on this sub for the past few days and you're the first one I've ever seen ask the question. I don't get this whole quantifying attractiveness thing, I really don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 01:52 PM
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Why would someone lie about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 01:38 PM
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Wow, I must be a real top tier chad then, having been made the first sexual move upon multiple times by multiple women...despite having none of the features that people here believe makes a top tier chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 01:36 PM
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None of them play down looks by having these features, but it's at least nice to have some conversation starters. Bonus points for people who can turn my interests into a great pick up line.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 12:27 AM
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