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The link just goes to a comment HE made. That isnt helpful
/r/MensRights15/03/22 11:28 PM
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Yep. Shame on her. That's gross I don't understand why the flair is 'feminism' tho
/r/MensRights15/03/22 11:07 PM
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Example.. someone asserted that 'women' don't care about men's safety, such as men being attacked when they walk home What actually happens is ~ men and women look after women here. Text messages asking if they're home safe/walking them home Men do not do that for men. Yet. Apparently this was somehow women's fault
/r/MensRights15/03/22 11:02 PM
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Your comment is valid. The point is - men are the default gender https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/feb/23/truth-world-built-for-men-car-crashes
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:57 PM
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I am answering the original post. That's all I don't post lengthy women's issue anywhere else in this subreddit. Only when asked
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:55 PM
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I'm not suggesting people get them for free
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:53 PM
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"Although the terms “underweight” and “undernourished” are often used interchangeably, they actually have two very different definitions. While underweight people are lacking food calories, undernourished people are lacking food nutrients"
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:52 PM
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Again.. the original post asked for women's issues.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:51 PM
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Why you always talking about feminism round here. Give it a break
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:50 PM
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https://www.unwomen.org/en/news/in-focus/commission-on-the-status-of-women-2012/facts-and-figures https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/surprising-stats-about-gender-inequality/ Also, when talking about FGM you don't consider circumcision for boys. It is even legal! If we count the numbers it surpasses by FAR th cases in women. No one talks about that. No one cares. I care a great deal about the circumcision issue. I am very against it. By asserting women's issues, I am not taking away from men…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:49 PM
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He said everything could easily be debunked. I posted about 10 women's issues below. He commented on my comment. And did not debunk a single thing. ? I am sat here waiting to be debunked. But nothing has happened
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:39 PM
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Ye it's a mess in here.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:34 PM
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To me this group is men blaming feminism and women for their problems (rightly or wrongly). But with all the focus on the other gender, they fail to see that some of their issues could be partially resolved by themselves
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:26 PM
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The original post asked for women's issues. womens Also, he didn't debunk any of my claim as I didn't claim women/girls were more undernourished.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:15 PM
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No one in this thread has debunked my comments I am open to all links and ideas. But for every 'debunk article'. There are another 5 that say somethings true. If I were in an echo chamber, would I be here?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:14 PM
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"THE vast majority of cultures are patriarchies, where men are more likely than women to hold positions of social, economic and political power. So it is tempting to assume that this is the natural state of affairs, perhaps because men are, on average, stronger than women." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newscientist.com/article/mg23831740-400-the-origins-of-sexism-how-men-came-to-rule-12000-years-ago/amp/ Just one example. But many people who aren't necessarily feminists disagree with you. Ca…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:10 PM
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See. Feminists aren't all man hating crazies. We are very normal (mostly). Have a nice day/night too
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:08 PM
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But these people are some of the most famous and influental people in the history of the movement same for the organizations. Yes. So I do have some understanding to why men don't like feminism. Which is exactly what I commented the first time In almost all countries men have higher rates of suicide, homelessness, malnourisment, working in worse conditions, workplace deaths, being victims of violent crimes, police brutality, being victims of murder etc suicide rates are still over 3 men for ever…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 10:01 PM
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They didn't say they were a girl
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:53 PM
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Only 99 more to go. Thanks
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:46 PM
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I said 'highlight the people being forced to stay'. You have misunderstood something.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:43 PM
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I am not suggesting they are more or less successful. Just that the patriarchy is the dominate one and does exist But if you're actually after information, I'm sure I can do some research and report back
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:41 PM
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MRAs are nothing like feminists you can't find a prominent MRA saying they hate women while you can find dozens of prominent feminists saying they hate men. Firstly. There aren't many prominent mras. So it's a hard comparison. And my point was in regard to ~ you cannot judge an entire movement and any good that is does, bt 1, or 2, or 10 people saying dumb things. Men still make up the vast majority of people who are in the absolute bottom of the society, people who live in the worst conditions.…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:32 PM
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Ukraine are intentionally keeping that quiet. Its a war tactic. It isn't anything against men.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:21 PM
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I don't know either. But even as a woman who gets 100 downvotes per comment here, I found it funny lol
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:19 PM
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I already posted in here. Just scroll a little.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:07 PM
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'Female crash test dummies do exist but they are not mandated to be used in most tests. A pregnant crash-test dummy was created in 1996 but testing with it is still not government- mandated either in the US or in the EU. Women are thought to be less well protected than men.'
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:05 PM
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Go ahead show me an example of a prominent MRA figure saying they hate women. Wow. You're naivety is shocking. And you also totally missed my point. North Korea is by definition a democratic republic OK? What I posted is literally the history of feminism. is feminist organizations working against equal laws not a part of history of feminism? OK. Learn the origins then You can simply look at average life expectancy, overall health status, percentage of homelessness, malnourishment, death rates be…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:02 PM
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It's not a contest
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:52 PM
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The absolute ignorance in this subreddit is disgusting. I'm a women and wouldn't talk down a man's issue or pretend they don't exist. For mras to be taken seriously, they first have to take women seriously
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:50 PM
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Which society? Yours? Or all of them?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:46 PM
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I believe most of the modern feminist rage comes from low value women who failed to fulfill passion in life, and are coping by blaming something that is out of their control (gender/sexism/patriarchy). It would kill their ego to know that their failure is actually their own fault. Where do you think modern mras come from?
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:46 PM
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I didn't ask you to prove that. I asked you to prove your other claims. Such as 'men have it worse' and 'women consume more media'
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:43 PM
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It crazy to me that people say the patriarchy never existed. When you look into matriarchal societies, they are literally structured differently Let's say it's set up for men - women don't blame today's men for creating it.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:42 PM
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You know what. Fine..I'll reply to your nonsense comment I said feminism has always been an anti male movement you disagreed I have provided evidence and you refuse to refute my claims even though you don't believe it's a hate movement lol Quotes like this do not work as evidence in the way you think it does. I could very easily offer evidence on mra saying they hate women. It doesn't mean they speak for everyone. Look up the definition and history of Feminism and learn. You could have fooled me…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:39 PM
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You were making things up and weren't offering evidence. I cannot have a reasonable conversation with someone like that. I gave you several chances to back up your claims, and you didnt
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:29 PM
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Ye. Men still have lots of issues in 1st world countries. I haven't said otherwise I don't think anyone can say their experience is worse than someone else's though. To do that, truly is someone trying to be the victim
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:27 PM
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OK. I realise you're actually just dumb. Nevermind. Bye
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:24 PM
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So your issue is mainly with 3rd world countries, by the looks of it. If that were true, and I can't speak for all feminists, maybe it is, what does it matter? Women are also more prone to injury than men are in sports. Its well known that women have less muscle mass and weaker bones. So there again is a really obvious case of women blaming "patriarchy" for something that is literally just part of female biology. It doesn't matter how you design a car, the males are still going to be more injury…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:21 PM
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In this day and age, yes probably.. most western/ 1st world counties are now fairly equal. Some disparity and unfairness for men and women, of course. And things need to be better everywhere. But feminism is about supporting all kinds of women worldwide. I may be privileged (living in a rich country etc) but lots and lots of people aren't that lucky
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:12 PM
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I am still waiting for you to refute feminism being an anti-male hate movement I'm not going to. You will not change my mind here. Its a moot point. I am pro women, not anti man. Now please provide evidence for comment you made about women consuming more media Still, an average woman lives a more comfortable, less dangerous, overall eaiser and a better life, the notion of male privlege is pure apex fallacy accounts only men of a small percentage There is no such thing as the 'average woman'. It …
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:04 PM
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I really miss the YouTube dislike button :(
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:55 PM
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Legend
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:54 PM
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Exactly. Pro women does not mean anti men. Thank you ! Someone gets it haha
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:52 PM
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I am still waiting on your proof that the media is bias because more women watch Women in almost every countries live longer and healthy lives, and have more (or all) gender spesific programs for their wellbeing You should research the issues women face in todays world before you say things like that. Some women have great lives, but far too many do not. And it isn't even about that. It is about individual governments. I posted something in a different thread a few hours ago, only 6 countries ha…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:40 PM
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Youtube isn't mainstream media. No I know. I am asking where the proof is that women consume more media. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9v6tqj/a_list_about_feminism_misandry_for_anyone_who/ https://menarehuman.com/citations/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/695m34/karen_straughans_response_to_those_arent_real/ Yes I know what you all think lol Most governments seem to be caring about women and their wellbeing a lot more than men and their wellbeing. It's hard to quantif…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:27 PM
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Except feminism, starting from the 1st wave has always been an anti male movement We disagree there. But I see your point (perception) Women make up the majority of media consumers so it's no surprise that media shits on men constantly I'd need evidence for this. I have no idea what the statics are for main stream media. But i know YouTube viewship is 70% male Women make up the majority of voters who put a government into power Depends on the country.. youre thinking of America (where the popula…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:46 PM
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Sounds like an interesting study! I'd say the pheromones It says there was no notable changes when these women were on the pill. Women's pheromones change when they take the pill. So I'd suggest it was in relation to that. Side not - I don't suggest lap dancers get aroused from clients because it's work. But maybe they were more into the erotic dancing/ better at flirting depending on the time of month
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:29 PM
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Feminism is grounded in the idea that the patriarchy oppress women. Not men
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:18 PM
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Every organisation needs an enemy. Feminism vs mra makes sense. Mra should actually be against the media (often owned by men), the government (often men) I DO appreciate that he says most feminists are normal rational people who agree men are sometimes treated badly ~ all the men's issues he raised
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:16 PM
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I'm a feminist and I don't necessarily have issue with the message, but yes, you have to be incredible careful and make sure you consider everything before making your final wording. I would suggest finding the stats on the people who have volunteered to stay aswell though. I hear some people helped their children escape and then went back to fight. Highlight the people being forced to stay of course. But the volunteers are also incredible I think at current, the women have been highlighted as t…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:05 PM
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Some vibrators are clitoral vibrators. External toys. We can climax without them, but toys seem to be (I don't know for a fact) a prefered method
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:01 PM
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I don't know if this is totally related. But I have seen news stories in relation to the brave men in Ukraine & the ones escaping russia (I live in Europe) And my thoughts on the draft is - I don't think anyone should be made to serve. I think its horrible people are treated as disposable just for war. I am a feminist, and I don't think women should argue that we should be conscripted, because the real problem is ~ no one should be Also- the truths of the front line won't be fully shown until th…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:45 PM
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You haven't debunked anything lol.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:35 PM
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I read a bit of the link. A lot of it is 'men are expected to pay more for dates and stuff. Is issue with sanitary products is that women need them in the same way they need health care. I'm not arguing that some things arent more expensive for a man. They are. It's bad for men and women But idk.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:33 PM
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Here are some. I'm sure what you're looking for exactly though. I have offer stats that are worldwide. But I can offer perspectives about everyday sexism too etc Women are 47% more likely to suffer severe injuries in car crashes because safety features are designed for men Only 6 countries give women equal legal work rights as men For every female film character, there are 2.24 men 33,000 girls become child brides every day 60% of chronically hungry people are women and girls. Less than 20 perce…
/r/MensRights15/03/22 05:09 PM
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And neither can yours. I do not care if you agree. You have the internet full of resources. It is not my responsibility to spoon feed you
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:19 AM
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The ones I have are either behind a pay wall, or it's a pdf research paper. Google it yourself.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:04 AM
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Again, there you go making women the victims and men the perpetrators. You really can’t help yourself, can you? How on earth did I do that? Being a good or bad person is not gender specific in the slightest. Do I need a disclaimer on every comment saying 'I think men are women are both equally terrible and good' we can’t have it so you can’t either” is not relevant to anything in this post or the following comments. That is a totally unrelated concept (that’s all it is, a concept), in which you …
/r/MensRights15/03/22 09:01 AM
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That would be like me saying, understandably so, that anything bad men do is simply a reaction to abusive mother’s. At no point did I say that. But I also see here a lot. 'Well we can't have it so women shouldnt have it either' or to that affect. Some of it is petty revenge. It's also going to be true women against men.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:56 AM
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I didn't say my interpretation if the original post was correct in my first comment. But more just what the op seemed to assert
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:51 AM
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I guess I can reply later properly. But if women felt the need to 'rebel and have a resolution' that would have been down to how men treated them. It's a never ending cycle, and I agree. Both sexes are to blame. I have never asserted otherwise Some men/ women are great, some men/ women are trash. One the the most commen things I see here is 'it's feminism fault'. Its the biggest scapegoat I have ever seen. Men need to take some of the fault for how they have negativity affected their own gender …
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:41 AM
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I understand that. But I don't just think its about statistical likelihood. There are studies that claim, boys target girls. It might be part of the story, but it's not the entire story
/r/MensRights15/03/22 08:25 AM
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The other way round meaning - girls bulling boys. It's doesn't happen as often
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:53 AM
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You said I misrepresenting something , and I am not. All bullying is bad, obviously. It all needs tackling. I was speaking specifically about how girls are impacted differently What I am saying is - further anti bullying lessons should be aimed at boys.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 07:37 AM
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That just isn't true. Boys are more likely to physically bullied. Whereas girls are more likely to be bullied. Boys are more likely to engage with bullying. If you find evidence or data that proves I am wrong, show me.
/r/MensRights15/03/22 06:30 AM
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OK. I'm officially giving up on you after this. I don't know how to help you understand past what I have already said. Except what does teaching boys about misogyny do to help anything? It clearly stands to benefit more people if they are taught not to bully in general. If you’re going to make a new plan to reduce bullying and violence, why would you choose to introduce a plan that only benefits half the population?? Yes. Obviously there are anti bullying campaigns and lessons in schools. These …
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:46 PM
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You just said that my examples of female on male bullying didn’t count(?) What because they were too old, and now you’re saying that your examples of male on female bullying are still relevant even when they aren’t 4 years old either. I am saying different kinds of bullying happens at different ages. What's the problem with that And again, you’re making this a gendered issue when it’s not. Getting hair pulled or getting tripped over are hardly any different to what boys would experience. Yes. I …
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:27 PM
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For the 3rd time now. I am not saying these issues present themself at 4 years old. Obviously girls don't develop that young, so obviously I don't mean that. But pulling hair and tripping girls over because they have a crush can be that young. Ah yeah alright. I don’t think it particularly matters whether it’s gender specific bullying or just bullying in general though, because it doesn’t hurt any less when they call a little boy fat, as opposed to targeting his gender. Yes and for the 2nd or 3r…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:13 PM
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I wouldn't agree with this. I don't have any alternative views because I'm not a man and wouldn't pretend to know. But i don't think that's the man's issue. I say this with some certainy as women don't have special gender specific things to 'look foward to'. And surely this has been true throughout history?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:10 PM
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Not when they are school age. No. I have never heard this. It obviously happens in adulthood. But I am talking about children smh
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:06 PM
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I just don't see any harm in teaching boys that bullying a girl because she has breast is wrong. I agree bullying is always bad, whatever the gender. But girls don't bully boys because they are boys.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:46 PM
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I don’t think anything you describe is really girl/woman specific. I know. This is just my experience And I’m not sure about your response to adult women being the perpetrators of domestic violence at the same rates as adult men. It doesn’t sound like there’s much substance to it at least. It was just an off the wall guess. I also stated I don't know because I haven't looked into the reasons for dv
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:35 PM
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Anecdotal evidence is valid, but only 1 piece of a puzzle. Look through the thread above. I'm also not suggesting girls never bully boys. I am also not suggesting these issues present themselves when kids are 4 years old either.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:32 PM
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therefore the conversations about them should include members of both sexes ideally. Yeeeeees. My sentiments exactly. Silencing one sides voice will only ever worsen the issue
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:26 PM
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I study we found said. Boys are more likely to bully boys and girls. Girls are more likely to bully girls.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:24 PM
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And I agree with that wholeheartedly. Men should get the resources they need to help support them. I'm not sure why I got downvoted so harshly ha. I went through this with someone else in the comments. There are studies to claim that at school ages, boys are more likely to bully girls, than the other way round ~ so the misogyny lessons may be to try tackle that It isn't to suggest the reverse doesn't happen. But you can't resolve all issues with one brush
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:19 PM
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Ok I see. I know there is a huge stigma around men's mental health. I just never thought to associate to 70 years ago. It makes sense, because I suppose looking back on history, men have only become more closed off emotionally. There had to be some root cause. I just really wish some men wouldn't make the assumption that all women are turned off by it
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:15 PM
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Ye. That's my bad writing probably I do agree that women don't give it as much thought as we should. It overall isn't talked about enough. Women are trained from an early age to be cautious (for many reasons), maybe its just that men aren't as much.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:08 PM
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I fear I misunderstand something. I am struggling to connect the dots to how this is feminists fault I read it as ~ men aren't supporting men. As always. Correct me if I'm wrong
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:00 PM
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I never seen this movie. But I'll have a look. I'd say that women are often portrayed as overbearing mothers / crazy jilted lovers etc in film The crazy ex girlfriend thing sometimes bothers me. But the overbearing mother is often what happens irl. So i don't think highlighting toxic femininity is always necessarily a bad thing in cinema/ tv because its relatable and something kids need to overcome
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:35 PM
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Ye. I actually have a bit of a tangent thread with someone else somewhere round these comments. And did come to the conclusion that my judgement was in fact a bit rushed. I lean towards the 'teaching boys about misogy being a good thing' but can understand men taking some offence to the 'men' comment
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:23 PM
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Ye I totally get that. I'm not suggesting a man can actually protect someone. Just commenting on the fact that even men assume men are ok. Like, do men say 'text me when you get home safe' to each other. Or offer to walk their male friends home? Men and women do that for women, but rarely for men. You posed the idea that a man can protect another man, but in real life there are so many variables which mean that probably isn’t going to be true a lot of the time. Sorry. I didn't mean it as such. M…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:17 PM
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Unfortunately, we do have a problem with a lot of people coming here to try and troll us. It’s sometimes hard to distinguish between a troll and someone trying to argue in good faith. Maybe I have come here on a quiet week, but I haven't seen much of that. I think some people do try too aggressively to get their point across, but they're not always wrong My advice is to do like Bernie Sanders and not really try to win, but instead just get your ideas out there. Ye and thats good advice that i tr…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:10 PM
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Is mgtow similar to blackpill? I'm not 100% familiar with the terms/movements
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:02 PM
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There are some bad people out there.. and I am not trying to generalise men when I say this. But I'd suggest that men assume that men don't need to worry. Women are very good at looking out for each. But men looking out for men with safety issues such the ones mentioned here, don't seem as common. Example. A man can protect a man from a man. But a women cannot.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:56 PM
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You know, in recent years (after my very early 20s) I have become far more liberal and open and have started discussing it with my friends. It is very freeing. But yes. Its not common place at all. It's almost a kind of stigma we have put on ourselves
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:36 PM
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Once is enough for most women too. But just talking numbers, then yes, you're correct. We technically can do it easier if we're after multiple
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:31 PM
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Well men's sex organs being on the outside, they have to sometimes resolve the problem so it goes away. For a woman to climax through masturbation, they often need toys Edit: I don't think I have ever heard it said that it's harder for a man to climax. But idk
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:26 PM
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Ye. This is why I could average out over a month or so on the men v women thing.. we have extreme highs and extreme lows. I read where people are survivors of trauma at a young age (girls being statisticly higher) they may even masturbate more as they are sex organ aware. So that can affect the numbers the other way. Its not something there is an clear answer to.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:25 PM
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I didn't masturbate much as a teen tbf. I wasn't as bothered until 17+. But when I did, I didn't tell anyone. Whereas boys talk about it a lot
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:21 PM
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Well, if we're talking about masturbation. It's more even. Men still do it more, but they also can masturbate biologically easier. And are granted more 'free/down time/ time alone' in a relationship where a couple has children
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:20 PM
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Ye. You said it a lot better haha but yes! And/or the economic disparity outside the household. Women had less options for work/making money. Selling ourselves being the only way Also ~ I do believe men are the ultimate decider about who they commit to. So likely a competitive element between women. Sex being something we can control
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:17 PM
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Yeah. I think men DO have a higher sex drive on average. But I don't believe the gap is actually that large.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:11 PM
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It all depends on the time of the month too. I agree there are a few days where I am not interested. But others where I want it double the amount 😂 I think I saw a study somewhere that said it is equal between the genders. But men acted on it more as they had a harder time mentally rejecting it. But might have been debunked now idk
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:58 PM
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Woah. The reward/punishment thing has just blown my mind a little. Women absolutely do that. Wow. But yeah. Why do we do that?! The first thing that comes to mind is... in the past where women weren't providing financially to a household, it was something they could offer. But I wouldn't think it was done with ill intent then. Maybe it grew from there though. Or, maybe because men do want more sex. And monogamy means they get 'less'. So women have to put out / withhold to keep them on their toes…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:41 PM
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Ye. That is very ironic. I'll have a look into that sub though, looks interesting ha I agree that both boys and girls need to learn how to treat people right. Not bullying and being nice isn't a gendered issue. I just saw more use to aim things at boys considering it can sometimes be an issue when they target girls during their bullying years. But i can appreciate why people may view this as an issue that could deepen the divide. You can't solve everything in a day.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:34 PM
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I think its both. As I young girl I wouldn't dream of doing anything that would get me hurt, including rough housing with boys. Women are naturally more social and wanting to fit in, so we won't go against the other girls even if we wanted to play. boys are naturally competitive so lean towards sport early. I think parents and school do encourage boys to be physical, and often throw a book in front a girl. And we prefer those choices innately. I often heard as a young girl, and even now, 'it is …
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:17 PM
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'Boys will bully both boys and girls; girls mostly bully other girls Girls are less likely to bully boys than their peers. However, boys will bully either boys or girls. Women have a natural desire to connect with others and that can turn into a sense that girls must vie for these spots. Yet girls are told it is not socially acceptable to physically fight or display aggressive behaviors in the open, and so they often fight other girls more passively (see #2). Bullying usually occurs among younge…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:52 PM
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Nice to hear. I have the deepest respect for people who has solidarity with and empathy towards the opposite sex and its struggles. That's a nice thing for you to say and acknowledge, so thank you. Lots of people here think I am a man hater, simply because I sometimes disagree or offer an alternative perspective Well if you’re one of the women who have used your sexuality this way, I would love to hear what you think may have contributed to it. I would say it maybe happens when women feel they a…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:49 PM
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I did not say that girls do not tease boys. They do. I am just saying boys tease girls more at that age. It may be the opposite as they get older. My school. A bunch of boys found a girls sanitary products and relentless bullier her. We do tease each other, but that is gender specific teasing that does not happen the other way round at a young age
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:39 PM
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I just see a disparity in the way men and women or masculinity and femininity are portrayed and think it's a symptom of a much larger problem. See this, we do agree on. Maybe that makes us both mra's, idk When you viewed the suggestion that 4-year-old boys, and only 4-year-old boys, should receive special lessons on how to treat the opposite gender as recognising and fighting against misogyny. I believe it is parroting a narrative that there is something innately masculine about hating women and…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:17 PM
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I was hooked a few sentences in, but the bit about saying goodbye to your pets instantly broke my heart.. and as I continued reading it just got even worse. I am so sorry this happened. What a total mess. I have no idea what you should do going foward. But it sounds like blocking her and not looking back is a good start. I have an emotionally abusive ex, and felt like exposing them to world. But getting 'revenge' wasn't going to make me feel better. So I left it, kept my friends close, and my en…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:08 PM
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Yeah. And sometimes I think that's well placed criticism honestly. I think women should be criticised for it too. But it this case, it was clear. I'd be interested in hearing it all once you'd got it all worked out. Feel free to ask me questions if that helps, I am a woman after all.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 05:59 PM
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I looked at the synopsis, that looks interesting too. Thank you. I appreciate it!
/r/MensRights14/03/22 05:51 PM
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There were other mras in the comments who said it wasn't so bad. Not sure why I am getting all the crap. Point your anger somewhere else, I am bored of it. At not point have I even disagreed with you.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 05:42 PM
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No and that's fair. But people making continuous assumptions about me/ my beliefs/ ideology is pretty frustrating. I am sure people here could empathise with that. Being an mra ~ some women assume you hate them. I have seen for myself that isn't true
/r/MensRights14/03/22 05:09 PM
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I know he means some women. The theory being ~ women aren't always having sex when they actually want to have sex? Seems logical. But correct me i misunderstood
/r/MensRights14/03/22 04:57 PM
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Thank you :) I can get this on audible too, so even better
/r/MensRights14/03/22 04:46 PM
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I am here to challenge my beliefs and learn. From my time here, i relaise there are lots of things I agree with mra on I am not trying to be inflammatory, just asking questions
/r/MensRights14/03/22 04:37 PM
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It's actually very enlightening to see that people think this. Its interesting, thank you
/r/MensRights14/03/22 04:25 PM
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I don't think it's that women don't acknowledge it. But it's more assumed (perhaps incorrectly) men will be attacked through muggings I tell my male friends to text when they get home safe too
/r/MensRights14/03/22 04:14 PM
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I can totally relate to this. Even someone shouting abuse can make you feel unsafe. It doesn't have to be anything physically violent to be scary. My brothers taught me 'never be worried about offending someone if you don't feel safe' And that totally makes sense. But I do still feel bad about looking over my shoulder. I think the media makes us think it's more common than it is.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:32 PM
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It's just that so many men say they are bothered by the constant attacks on men in the media and internet that it seems it is impacting on men's mental health. Ye I can totally empathise with that. The best thing we can all do it walk away from people who are vile. They're often found out for what they are
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:22 PM
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Hmm ok. To be honest it's not something I'd thought too much about (children being involved). Anecdotally I'd never seen this play out badly. But it must happen
/r/MensRights14/03/22 03:07 PM
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Cool thank you3 This is what I was after. I wouldn't claim men are or aren't more likely to be victims without some credible data. So I'll look into it. Thanks again
/r/MensRights14/03/22 02:45 PM
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It depends why I got called it. if they were justified, and i was wrong. Yes
/r/MensRights14/03/22 02:34 PM
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You'd be surprised, especially with the early indoctrination in schools, etc I don't know much about the school thing, as I don't have kids, or look into it. If you have some links I'll happy read You mean to say that the people who are making legislative decisions and influencing their electorates should just be dismissed as unimportant sources of information of things that are happening or going to happen based on those individuals' actions? That it's very true. And I do concede slightly. I fo…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 02:23 PM
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Would you feel the same about the sentence "women are bad mothers because women throw their children into dumpsters and abandon them"? I would assume the media I was engaging in was nonsense and take no notice. I appreciate the repetition of these kinds of stories must be disheartening. But when statements are obviously false, the reader should go elsewhere for 'news' And I do not believe the general public are stupid enough to assume 'men' would literally mean every man from a practical standpo…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 01:44 PM
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I can't answer him properly. Because he's making assumptions about khan And I'm not going to argue with him about his own experiences.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 01:34 PM
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OK. Thanks for letting me know what I would think
/r/MensRights14/03/22 01:24 PM
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Oh it wasn't you. That's my mistake. But I was referring to the claim that women are more violent towards men, than the other way round. The link that was sent to prove it, didn't even back it up
/r/MensRights14/03/22 01:13 PM
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What makes me a troll? Asking for reliable studies? Or asking for studies to back up claims?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 01:05 PM
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Again. That's off topic. You don't know my views on that, so don't presume you do
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:57 PM
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If she saw something that actually horrified her. Then it seems like it's fair she's rants
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:54 PM
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Depends what you did to be called a dick. Sounds like it happens often? Not be rude, but 'having a response ready' is a bit weri If its justified, I would recommend starting with 'I'm sorry'
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:45 PM
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I understand language is important. But it seems like a big fuss and offence about nothing ngl
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:10 PM
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OK fine. But you've just changed the goalposts. You're probably correct, but that wasn't what you first claimed
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:07 PM
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I didn't even say I disbelieve the claim that men are more likely to be victims. I just want some data to back it up.
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:04 PM
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OK fine if you want to use it 'Yet men made up nearly 40 per cent of the victims in the cases that he studied - a figure much higher than previously reported.' It doesn't even say women are more violent than men. Just more violent that was once thought
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:50 AM
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Asking for an up to date study is logical. It's illogical to form opinions or cite something that may or may not be 20 years out of date
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:40 AM
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Kinda. Assuming things like this are picked up across the board
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:29 AM
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I mean ignore the stigma. No one should feel they have to stay in a bad situation Finances and legal stuff should he secondary to wellbeing
/r/MensRights14/03/22 11:28 AM
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Sure. And I get that. But I also think people who are calling him sexist is a bit of a rushed judgement. If he said 'women need to be better'. I may think 'ye ok' I need to be better at calling out violence against men when I see it
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:57 AM
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I didn't say it doesnt happen. I was just asking questions. And it literally always happens here by the way. People here say 'women' when they mean some women. But I don't literally think they mean all women. But I do agree it isn't helpful
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:55 AM
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OK good lol. I agree with your premise
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:32 AM
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That's from the year 2000. Anything newer?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:24 AM
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Oh right. So I imagine the next time something comes up about violence against men, you will correct them and say this again
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:23 AM
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Right. And women must change in regard to women's violence on men. He isn't necessarily saying all men are violent. If he was talking about women being violent. I wouldn't being offended in the slightest. I don't get it
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:15 AM
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Of course each problem should be addressed in its own context Exactly tarring all men with the same brush I must of missed something. Where does it say ALL men
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:10 AM
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No it wouldn't. They are different issues. Different underlying causes etc
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:05 AM
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If he talked about women's violence against men, would that be sexist too?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:02 AM
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What a ridiculous thing to say
/r/MensRights14/03/22 10:00 AM
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Well yeah. Lessons on misandry wouldn't and shouldn't be considered women hating. So many double standards round here
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:59 AM
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Just because he is saying misogyny exists and society should fight against, doesn't tell us anything on what he thinks about men...
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:38 AM
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Ye. But in their defence it is sometimes 'ok' (not judged). All depends on circumstances too. And maybe their point was, is that it is ok
/r/MensRights14/03/22 09:24 AM
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Oh I see. Thank you Hm. Interesting. I'd actually agree with you. Men being the one who runs out is judged way harsher. When the women leaves they're usually an 'understanding' its for a good reason. But I would just say men should ignore society
/r/MensRights14/03/22 08:01 AM
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You op ha
/r/MensRights14/03/22 07:57 AM
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And what's actually super stupid , I actually agree with you. I'm not doing some double standard. Both should shut up about both
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:57 AM
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Oh. So you're one of the few who agrees mra is just the man equivalent of Feminism
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:53 AM
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I dont even understand what this post is about. Is op saying men don't leave women?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:49 AM
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Lol I'm not even a troll. Just the endless hate against the word feminism is exhausting and pointless
/r/MensRights14/03/22 06:44 AM
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Not you
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:16 AM
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OK great. If you have valid examples, use them. Not trash you find on YouTube
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:15 AM
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Ha I like you
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:11 AM
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OK if you're gonna play that game. Other than the first women talking directly about feminism. Non of the other women mention it. So where are you getting your information from?
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:08 AM
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You just proved my point. Thank you
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:06 AM
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Really? It would seem you are... I literally said people here have different opinions Feminism was and is always a supremacy movement, and feminists will do what ever it takes to keep perpetuating it. This necessitates playing on people's emotions and painting MRA's as evil regardless of the truth. Therefore to succeed MRA's must expose the nature of feminism and give feminism zero moral ground. Total crap, next It would seem you're the one trying hard to stop anyone from criticising feminism in…
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:04 AM
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Ou right. Because thats so much better. Sounds like you're OK with a man talking negatively about men. But God forbid a women does it
/r/MensRights14/03/22 12:00 AM
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https://youtu.be/Jaz1J0s-cL4 Within the first 40 seconds. Literally the president at the time. Don't confused society hating men, with feminism hating men
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:54 PM
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When someone corrects a grammar error. You know they're out of ideas
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:52 PM
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Donald trump also called all Mexican men rapists. Its not feminism that's the problem
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:51 PM
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Nonsense overload
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:42 PM
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I'm not disputing that. I just think it's nonsense people spend 99% of their waking day crying about feminism Comments like this ~ he probably thinks he's gonna turn a feminist away from feminism. It'll never work. Save your energy
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:33 PM
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Ye. Mra is basically in response to feminism. I am very pro men's rights. But constantly whining about feminism is such a waste of energy. Just organise better and become an actual movement already. And stop trashing women who are here on your side And I agree. Ideally we'd just work together
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:30 PM
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I watched the stupid video. There's no way of even knowing these women are feminists.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:24 PM
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Not all men in this sub even agree with you fella. I have encountered some mra male feminists here. So, if you're not all on the same page. MAYBE, feminist sometimes disagree. But regardless ~ feminism does mean equally. Ignoring definitions is dumb.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:20 PM
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Change feminism to mra and look - If you don't hate women I would highly recommend you stop calling yourself a mra because mra has become completely toxic most masculinity today are exactly like the mra in the video witch is why it is a very hostile to mra not to mention that mra have been hostile to women for eon's now and mra actively turn a blind eye to womens issues Some of you people don't even know what you're saying. Get a grip. Feminism does not equate to man hating. Ffs
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:12 PM
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I looked. They're the minority in America by about 0.5%. But, so?
/r/MensRights13/03/22 06:46 PM
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I think there are more men than women. 49% to 51% - overall worldwide population
/r/MensRights13/03/22 06:41 PM
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I don't think you can judge my entire working life via a single comment I made. I am considered more confrontational than others. But you have no idea what trade I work in. Its often seen as beneficial
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:54 PM
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You missed my point. I am saying it's not a gendered issue. It's universal
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:51 PM
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Maybe I wasn't entirely clear, but there was in fact an explicit difference in the dress code that affected everything else, which was that men were obligated to wear ties and women weren't. Oh I see. That doesn't sound right or fair at all. I would of made a fuss about that. Outdated rules
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:32 PM
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Feminism means it in regard to supporting themselves financially.... women couldn't even buy their own house.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:29 PM
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The traditional gender roles bit. I can see your point. Women want men to do everything and they're only willing to do 'women's work'. But tbh, as long as its 50/50, whatever the task, what's the problem But even in many modern relationships, sharing household tasks is still a massive issue. As men do do less. If you take into account that most women also work full time Loads of men women are opting for casual relationships now anyway. Where they don't live together lol
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:23 PM
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Most places don't have dress codes in practice though. It's usually just 'smart casual'.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:14 PM
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I dont think men can ever be 'free' of women. The same way women can't be ' free' of men. We co inhabit the earth. Mgtow is far too cynical But by all means, be single forever.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 03:13 PM
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Tbf it sounds like you were calling her fat And if you didn't like being called skinny, just ask them to stop
/r/MensRights13/03/22 02:55 PM
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Technically the minority?
/r/MensRights13/03/22 02:52 PM
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Totally. I am just parroting what I have literally seen written here by mra's. I don't agree it's totally true. But if people here associate with the redpill thing, it is a logical assertion.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 02:19 PM
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There are other subs I have been told about that are more left winged. The reason I am here though is to try change some incorrect perspectives on what it means to be a feminist. Sure, we have our struggles, like I mentioned, but that in no way negates women's struggles. Well, one of the themes here is 'women getting rights, takens them away from men'. But there's tons of internal disagreements/ rational people so Most red pill communities are circlejerking that they're somehow entitled to women…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:56 PM
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I am very opposed to circumcision, and it's actually the main reason I started my quest into the men's right movement, and also part of the reason for me joining this sub. But ye. It was good. Hearing issues in men's own worlds
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:49 PM
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I wouldn't say absolutely right. I haven't been lurking long enough ha. I will say though, I have been pleasantly suprised, there are a good amount of people who are cool. And don't just argue 'well we have it bad, therefore you points are invalid'. But, that is the majority response. then the struggles of the other should be all the more understandable Well yes, this is my argument too. Let's say everyone here is right an men have the lower ranking gender, and have been for 20 years (I don't be…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:40 PM
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Not hauling trash, not fighting fires, not washing windows. I would say that it's because there isn't an equality issue there (maybe other than social stigmas, but thay often goes against both genders) The problem isn't equal outcome, its equal opportunity. Everyone understands that a gender may naturally lean towards a certain job for whatever reason.. but in the instances of board rooms, it's fairly gender neutral in terms of the people who want to apply. But I do agree in breaking down gender…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:35 PM
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I didn't realise there was some sort of "community mentality". I guess there has to be if people here expect to organise in the same way feminism did. I'm here, as well as many other contributors, to bring light to issues such as unequal treatment of men and women when it comes to various sorts of violence, childcare etc. and to generally get educated/educate others on how to avoid toxicity based on gender (like "man up", "but you're a man" this sort of thing). I feel like there are two camps he…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:25 PM
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I got told to watch it so I could understand this community better. Idk It was very insightful tbf. But obviously not everyone here agrees on what they're fighting for (same as feminism)
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:13 PM
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Assuming that's true ok. How was that achieved if not by women working on our equal rights? And sure, they are. But it's not representative of the people who are applying for these roles. If based on competence alone, you would see a 50/50 split.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:11 PM
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Ye. And women do serve in the military and clean windows
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:40 PM
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Ye I get that. But women also often have to take any job thats available. I guess the comparison might be a cleaner or care worker? I don't hear stories of women being unemployed just because they can't get the job they want.. People have bills to pay Men could be clearners or care workers if they wanted. They're certainly safer that stereotypical 'mans' jobs.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:38 PM
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Women have the opportunity to work or to stay at home, supported financially by their husbands. I don't know what world you're living in where this is true. Most people need two incomes to even run a house. Women don't have the choice you think they do. Every single couple i know - both of them work, whether they want to or not doesn't matter Men don't - an unemployed man is considered a failure - and the rare men which earn less than their wives are openly disapproved by society. That's a fact.…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:23 PM
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Haha exactly that! If men genuinely want to organise effectively, they have to stop resorting to tactics they claim to hate
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:10 PM
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Yeah. I don't doubt everything you said is true either. There are different battles for men and women, especially in the workplace. It's about finding the middle ground and treating all people based on merit. But also acknowledging men and women do operate differently
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:08 PM
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When the families lived in the countryside, with numerous children, this problem did not exist. But we don't live in that world anymore.. The men worked, the women took care of the house and the children, no one got into debt, everybody was happy. How was this possible? To say 'everybody was happy' is extremely misguided Capitalism deceived women into thinking they have to work like men to have a meaningful life. Bro. If everyone, men and women, were honest with themselves, no one would work as …
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:01 PM
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Can only assume that your male colleague is higher ranking. Literally the opposite. Same happened when I was a manager in a shop. People walked past me to find 'the man in charge' usually earned by merit (historically). It must be sometimes. But it trouble is, when it isn't Men will allow women far more leeway to be utterly, categorically wrong, because it's never a good look to try to talk some sense into them. Me and you have had a very different working experience. I would say the opposite is…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:58 AM
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Ye. I am trying to challenge the conflict tbh. Someone else here worded it as a 'red herring', and I guess that's my point. Neither gender will ever 'win'. It should be a mutual fight for equality A classical feminist, someone who actually believes that feminism is about equality for everyone, and for a meaningful definition of "equality," should have nothing to fear from someone campaigning for men's rights, nor vice versa. They should both end up believing more or less the same thing. Ye. I wo…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:48 AM
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It isn't about feeling adequate. It's about paying the bills. But I also wouldn't want to have 'housewife' as my only option. The problem isn't feminism, it's the system. Still, society doesn't enforce the role of the breadwinner on women, but on men. Maybe. Idk. I've only ever been in mature 50/50 relationships
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:42 AM
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When it comes to workplace issues. I first hand only know what it's like to be a women. I can sympathise with men, but idk... if I am in a meeting with a male colleague, questions are directed towards him. Even if I answer, they look to the man for it to be confirmed. There seems to be assumptions that woman aren't as competent. But who knows lol
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:30 AM
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Yeah.. men vs women (feminism vs mra) doesn't help anyone long term
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:17 AM
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I wake up every day and I am grateful I am not American
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:12 AM
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Some of it will depends where you work and the sector. But this - If we are confrontational with a male boss, then RIP because there is nobody more vindictive than a leader male who feels “threatened” by another male that is socially underneath him. Is 100% true for women too. Bosses just want people who agree with them. Regardless of gender. And regardless of competence
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:08 AM
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I have worked in employment law. What is said is 100% true. Of course not universally though (depends on the company) society expects him to be able to handle both without affecting his quality of work. Society expects this of women too.. What are you talking about ha If he were to reduce the quality of his work to support his family, he would be considered incompetent and weak. 'Society' is such a broad term. Lots of people would actually respect men for putting their family first. I know I do.…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 11:05 AM
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Let's assume that's true. As a woman, I hate it. I can out perform a man at work, and I won't be promoted because I am more confrontational and blunt/not a 'yes man'. This literally happened to me this past year.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:31 AM
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Ye I think the average height in my country is around 5,10. Being over 6 ft isn't as common as we're led to believe. Lots of men in films stand somewhere around the 5 ft 5 mark
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:29 AM
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Thank you. I really appreciate any links sent to me.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:25 AM
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Firstly, I am so sorry you're experiencing this. I will say though, really try stop comparing yourself to other men. Sounds so much easier than it is, understandable. But not comparing ourselves is the only practical way to be happy with ourselves. There's always someone better looking, richer, taller, smarter. And it sounds cliché, but it could be you're just going after the wrong women. I am a woman, around 5 ft 3. And my ex was 5 ft 4. There are genuinely people out there who doesn't see heig…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:23 AM
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Females get a pass for breaks/being late/leaving the office abruptly because "they have also the burden of the family". If a man had the burden of the family (genuinely being the prime caregiver), most companies would make that allowance
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:16 AM
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Source?
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:15 AM
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Did the men who didn't wear a suit and tie get consequences?
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:15 AM
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Yeah, but that makes sense. As in, historically women have had a hard time climbing the corporate ladder through things that aren't their fault. Whereas they CAN walk into other sectors, such as the military or manual work
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:11 AM
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men’s rights activism and feminism aren’t mutually exclusive Well if mra is in response to feminism, then ye I agree You’d just need to be able to handle the headache because each movement hates the other. I am sometimes pleasantly surprised that lots of people don't just hate on me for being a feminists. But for everyone 1 that doesn't, there are 10 that do
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:03 AM
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Ye I agree. And I will get downvoted for this, but nevermind. Lots of things I see in this sub is exactly what they blame feminism of. The whole 'victim' thing... I repeatedly see people trying to victimise themselves by saying feminism (and sometimes just women) are the oppressors
/r/MensRights13/03/22 10:00 AM
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this is only true IF you believe both sides are 100% extremist. But that just isn't the case
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:59 AM
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I don't remember where she says that? It was right at the start when talking about the origins of Feminism. It's only a tiny bit of the film... I was just after peoples thoughts
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:57 AM
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The last time I tried to do this, I got told non of them were valid and it was strawmanning. I'm an not interested in that discussion. I think most reasonable people would at a minimum admit each gender has obstacles
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:55 AM
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giving themselves more freedoms and privileges without any form or responsibility. On the issue of responsibility. I see it alot, can someone explain what they mean by this. Maybe I'm ignorant, but I wanna learn
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:53 AM
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But feminism as an ideology has enshrined their hatred of men in the very terminology it uses. They are very sensitive to gendered language, as for example with the push against chairman, policeman, etc. Then they show their hand when they name everything bad after men: patriarchy, toxic masculinity, mansplaining, and so on. Even while there are perfectly fine gender-neutral alternatives. Fair point..But I actually disagree with feminists who do this. It doesn't help anyone There are feminists w…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:44 AM
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I totally agree with this. It's why (as a feminist) i am here, instead of just outright rejecting the whole mra movement. The trouble seems to be, when I mention the word feminism, I am outright rejected. I have witnessed there lots of non extreme, normal people here, but there has to be an understanding that the feminists are the same
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:42 AM
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Ye. Its interesting that it appears right winged thinking looks to be the majority.. or maybe I shouldn't be surprised, idk. I guess it does kinda answer my original post
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:38 AM
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I wouldn't be hanging around thus sub if I had no interest in learning / trying to understand
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:32 AM
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Oh. I'll watch that. Thank you
/r/MensRights13/03/22 09:29 AM
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Ye. I did write that. But it's not what I meant, so I corrected it. Not sure what the problem is
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:57 AM
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Oh ok. Nevermind
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:55 AM
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This. This articulates what I been trying to say! Thank you hahah
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:54 AM
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My experience in this sub is that there is always someone who brings it back to feminism. And I just watched redpill, where they say feminism is basically one of the main problems with mra. Just here to get opinions
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:53 AM
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Ye. That doesn't make any sense.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:50 AM
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I corrected my original post. It was an error in my writing.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:49 AM
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My point with this is, you literally cannot please everyone. Even if one day sweatshops were universal seen as ok, it would cause issues in other places
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:46 AM
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It's why I said it depends where you live. This obviously isn't a discussion that can take place properly due to everyone being in different countries.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:43 AM
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Yeah OK. Maybe you're right. Me saying in my original comment, 'why don't people rally against capitalism' was not me saying I hate capitalism. It was literally just a question in regard to the switch between people vs capitalism to men vs women
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:41 AM
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At no point have I claimed to have all the answers to everything. I can't expertly lay down a plan to end poverty now can I On the flip side, loads of people hate when big companies go to other countries. It take jobs away from them.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:39 AM
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To just imagine a third world would be capable of what a first world can do is naive I didn't suggest that was possible. Not in any short time frame at least If you were in charge and banned sweatshops the result was staving and kids in the sex trade. If I were in charge and banned sweatshops, I would support the people I just made jobless to avoid this situation To prevent them from improving their lives will keep them in the third world state forever You are literally just putting words in my …
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:35 AM
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Sure man, good on you. I am always down for learning. And I do try not to let my own bias get in my way. I don't doubt you're probably correct in all the things you're saying here. But I also try think about alternative ideas..not just sticking with the accepted norm all the time. I do consider myself a realist, but on this particular post, I was speaking more generally about changing the 'enemy' from each other, but instead to bigger picture stuff
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:27 AM
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I have worked in employment law... I am mostly speaking about ideal situations here. Youre favourite thing to do is send me links hahah. I do appreciate it tbf
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:20 AM
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The employer is ultimately responsible for health and safety
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:12 AM
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But it isn't to attracted them
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:11 AM
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Again, what are you advocating to make it better? I didn't suggest I have any answers. As opposed to communism, fascism and dictatorship? I don't think so. Protecting the environment has is part of the law under capitalism I didn't suggest these are better I don't know what you mean by excess, but I recall seeing extremely long lines in Russia of people trying to buy food. I guess you think that's better. Just on the food thing. We have loads of food that gets chucked out because it isn't sold. …
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:11 AM
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I'm saying there a different alternative. Don't have sweatshops in the first place. Instead promote these communities ability to generate wealth in better ways. Or maybe even pay them better/ have better health and safety
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:08 AM
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Never said all women, he was just discussing the intracacies of the work place. Fair point. If I don't wear make up to work, I get told Iook ill So you admit women do do it for appearance then It being for appearance, doesn't automatically mean it's for men though
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:07 AM
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Some women, isn't all women. And it doesn't explain why women wear make up when men aren't around
/r/MensRights13/03/22 01:03 AM
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Ye. Its true..overnight pulling out of these things causes chaos. But it's doesn't mean they're good.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:59 AM
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Just because it's the best we got, doesn't mean we shouldn't bother making it better. And well, even very broadly, its bad for the environment, theres an excess of goods, unfair distribution of wealth. The lower you're paid, you pay a higher percentage of your wages in tax. (Obviously all depends where you live too)
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:55 AM
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Yes. I didn't say it had no good qualities... I am not anti capitalism lol. I'm just saying it could be improved upon
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:52 AM
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Yes... the issue is, is that he doesn't use the same arguments for men. Such as, men being well groomed in the workplace. Oh and the fact he implies women only want to look nice, is to attract men
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:49 AM
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Oh no, I watched the whole thing. I have spent many many hours watching his full videos. Sometimes he makes sense. But I can't get on board with his ideology (even though he refuses to call it ideology ha)
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:46 AM
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I'm not suggesting it's only a flaw in capitalism, no. I'm saying capitalism doesn't resolve those issues fully either.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:44 AM
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Yeah I agree with you. I should really edit my original post, as I can see where it's misinterpreted (written badly). I mostly mean we should try and improve it, both genders, jointly
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:42 AM
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There's a few things. Nothing super concrete is jumping to mind right now. But one thing would be - his views on women in the workplace. Like women shouldn't wear make up etc
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:41 AM
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Ye you're probably right. What you say about sympathy makes sense. Also now that you've dated someone below your means would you try it again? Do you think a wealthy woman would date a cashier or someone living in their mothers basement? Do you think a wealthy man would date a cashier or someone living in their mother's basement? Erm. I can empathise with you a little because one of the reasons it didn't work out was because he was a sponge. I think people should be able to support themselves, w…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:39 AM
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Oh I see. I get the issue. That's my fault for bad wording. I didn't proof read myself
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:36 AM
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I have that book on my book shelf and never got round to reading it haha. You have inspired me to actually pick it up
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:35 AM
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So what are you advocating? I'm not. I'm just trying to get thoughts on that part of the film elucidate You know. Sweat shops, war, dangerous jobs to just be able to afford basics. I don't think I'm saying anything radical here. I'm just pointing out it isn't a perfect system. It of course isn't the worst though
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:34 AM
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Ye. Of course I know? That's the point I just made. Mra doesn't blame women, they blame feminism
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:30 AM
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Ye that's what I mean. Why can't the enemy change again. From men v women to something else? It's like everyone is distracted by it. Oh and JP. I agree with you on both counts. But he's such an odd duck, I can't help but be anti jp. The criticism about him is just so logical
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:29 AM
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It's werid ya know. I had a boyfriend who earned less. And I kind feel like I got this energy from him. Maybe it's less of a gendered thing, and more of a, who has more to take/benefit
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:26 AM
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Sure. But mra does blame feminism.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:24 AM
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Good point. But history doesn't necessarily have to repeat itself. Especially considering, I don't imagine mra was as much as a thing back then
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:23 AM
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This is something else I admittedly have never really thought about. When exiting any of my long relationships, nothing like this happened, so I am pretty nieve just through lack of experience. But I have never understood why anyone would get married, even if you take away all these legal issues ha
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:20 AM
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No and I agree. You can't get rid of something without a replacement. Slowly improving on it, or as you say, adopting something better if and when it comes up is the answer. Example: you can't accuse someone of rape, and have them convicted, without proof. This means some men get away with it. But, without proof, women hold men hostage throughout their entire lives... They can force a man to do anything. Whats the perfect solution? There isn't one. That is a very good example actually. By bolste…
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:12 AM
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I think this is the answer i was after. I needed a reference point to jump off from to look into a bit more.
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:07 AM
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The worst thing is, i didn't even mean my original comment in a bad way. If men are victims, why shouldn't they embrace victimhood. But smh nevermind
/r/MensRights13/03/22 12:00 AM
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I think part of it is because more women more regularly and openly discuss these things. Where men have to hide away through fear of being called God knows what. But in that case, its it logical to try get women on side?
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:54 PM
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Ye I do get that. And it's becoming more of an issue for women too. As in, women are now getting frustrated that men don't want to commit. I agree any relationship should be a 50/50 partnership. I can't speak on being a man obviously. But it's a shame to think people would write off all relationships because of things like this. It must work out good sometimes right ha And when you say they offered you nothing in return.. do you mean they were unemployed? Not even contributing financially? That'…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:51 PM
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I guess I need to do some research into it. Into exactly what was being protested before it became women v men.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:47 PM
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I understand capitalism. But I wouldn't pretend I had a alternative theory ready with all the answers, because I am no expert I was just after other people's views on this. As its such a brief moment in the film.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:38 PM
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I guess what I mean is. Men and women both have good reason to be annoyed about something. And both should be listened to and taken seriously. But blaming the other gender, doesn't do anyone any good really. To me, it just makes sense that men and women fight against injustices that hurt everyone jointly.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:36 PM
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Well I don't know. I'm certainly not a political theory expert. I wouldn't suggest anything that currently exists is particularly good.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:32 PM
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Tbf that's my bad for not being maybe clearer. I was by no way advocating communism. But, my point kind was, capitalism causes economic disaster and death too.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:31 PM
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But I can't. Because by answering it I am asserting it is true. And it isn't
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:28 PM
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Are these protests against mras not done at a local level? You know, I don't fully know the answer to that. I suppose they almost must be. But from my experiences - I consider myself a feminist, and know lots of people who are, and no one I know has participated in any rally that is solely to benefit women. large majority of feminist have a disgusting hate for men Ye. I believe these people exist. BUT, me for example. I absolutely love men. Not unconditionally, but I do. I bet there are a bunch …
/r/MensRights12/03/22 11:26 PM
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Ye. I saw that and I really do have a better appreciation why people here are so anti feminism. but honestly, I truly don't believe the average feminist would support those women. I get that that's where the trouble lies though. People view feminism as a political force (and it is). But local level feminists isn't about that. It is literally just an equivalent to a group like this. A space for which women can discuss gender related issues
/r/MensRights12/03/22 10:57 PM
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I mean I already had a rough idea about men's issues. But it was good to hear men explain it in their own words. Do you still think people see men as human after Karen talked to Cassie in the diner? I enjoyed hearing that Karen ladies take. She had some very valid points. But it is also true that its such a large issue, all gender issues included, that you can't make assumptions about what individuals think about it. Like that one guy even says, there are good people within feminism, its the ext…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 10:52 PM
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I'm watching it now. Most of the way through. I can report back once I am done lol There isn't anything here i was expecting tbh. The one this I will say now though without yet having finished it... is that there seems to be an assumption that people who don't advocate for men's rights is because 'they don't see men as human'. I don't agree with that at all, but it might explain some of the attitudes I an encouraging here
/r/MensRights12/03/22 09:35 PM
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OK. But there's one thing I don't understand. In your second and third example the women didn't do anything wrong Also, don't know which country you're in. But there are many things men and women do in the workplace, like comments/jokes, but in a practical sense, I have never know any be fired unless someone went 'too far' - repeated offences
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:58 PM
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But... the answer should be no to all of them I have worked in employment law. And I don't think any of them would be considered harassment of any kind. Perhaps inappropriate. But can't imagine anyone would be fired. Maybe I missed the point. Idk
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:41 PM
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Hm hard to really have an opinion on this. As potentially there were some dodgy comments. Or maybe it is because the women one seemed to be talking about the workplace. If its neither of those thing... then ye, that's bad and deffo a double standard
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:39 PM
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Ye, super true. And I'd say that's how I operate (I have never used either term). The reason I brought it up at all, is because, i feel if someone used the term 'toxic masculinity' in this subreddit, they'd be branded a feminist or a man hater.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:31 PM
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Hm interesting. To be honest I never really see jt used that much, so need to be open minded to others interpretation. But I do doubt everytime it is used is to bring down all men. I did a Google to see what the definitions of the terms are, and I found this - (I'd say this sums up my view on the terms too) "Since toxic masculinity is pretty much saying that the 'right' way to be a man is to be manly, I think toxic femininity is kind of the same in that it has to do with acting like certain ways…
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:20 PM
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You think asking a question is manipulative 🤡
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:07 PM
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How very very strange
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:04 PM
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I understand the - it can't or shouldn't be called harassment if someone was just offended by something that was said. But I think people have the right not to feel uncomfortable, especially in the workplace.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 06:01 PM
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I know nothing about the origins of harassment. So, I guess thanks for some background. But in practical terms, I think its important in law. Like, women can harassm men too... there needs to be a name for it. Right?
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:23 PM
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What? It was just a question bro. If you're not able to explain yourself. Maybe think a little harder and challenge your own opinions
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:17 PM
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I think women see MRAs the same way men view feminism
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:10 PM
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Harassment is 100% bullshit? What? Please explain
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:08 PM
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This is true. I think the reason people talk about women and having a heart attack more is because women usually suffer more. Example, more likely to die/ have complications
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:04 PM
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Is women talking about their issues 'not really terrible' too then? Or it it always about being the victim
/r/MensRights12/03/22 05:01 PM
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So I guess the answer could technically be yes. That's bonkers
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:57 PM
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That's valid I guess. But the existence of one, means the other must exist. Regardless of how frequently it is used. It's strange. Reading through this subreddit. It's seems people here are very against 'toxic masculinity' and 'toxic femininity', yet this is the first time I have ever seen it written
/r/MensRights12/03/22 04:33 PM
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If we're acknowledging toxic femininity is a thing (which i agree it is). Maybe some people should stop complaining when women use the phrase 'toxic masculinity'.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 03:46 PM
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Would 65% of men be equal?
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:01 PM
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I just wanted to take a second to thank you for this comment.
/r/MensRights12/03/22 01:00 PM
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Agree and establish what each genders issues are. Honestly I'd say many women don't stop and think about men's right. This isn't because they're bad people, but because they're too busy worrying about their own. Same goes for men. Some men arent going to stop and seriously consider issues women might have
/r/MensRights12/03/22 12:58 PM
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Show me where I said that
/r/MensRights12/03/22 12:55 PM
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That's illogical. Men maybe pay more because they choose high paid jobs and pay more tax. Don't like it? Get lower paying jobs Health care wise, it make sense that women cost more due to having children. But unsure what the other costs are. Feel free to enlighten me
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:16 PM
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'Free where possible' wasn't me suggesting free for everyone. I believe that's a misinterpretion of what I said (but I must be to blame too for writing it unclearly) I was specifically talking about schools in that comment
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:13 PM
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But its the same issue. Just because both genders don't benefit, doesn't mean the both genders can't pay for it
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:08 PM
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Just because I don't have much time to answer everything, I'm gonna jump right to this bit again You suggest everyone pays for every single women's hygiene products by these products being free. I disagree. You want to force your opinions on me by stripping me of the choice. That's why it is a massive issue. I never suggested they should be free for everyone. Only free for people who cannot afford it
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:06 PM
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Also. I don't know which country you're from. But let's assume your government offered free testicular tests to men. Would you be opposed to that because women don't benefit?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 05:02 PM
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Stop assuming and stop trying bring 'other people' into this. This sounds like a straw man argument. Conversations move foward The difference between us is that my beliefs do not limit your freedoms, yours do limit mine by forcing me to pay for something I am against. Let's be real. There are many opinions that men have that want to limit women's freedoms, like being pro life. I am not suggesting you have to buy every woman in the world sanitary towels am I. I am just suggesting they should come…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:55 PM
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Oooh ok. Thank you. I'm definitely going to give that a watch
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:46 PM
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Let's assuming you're fine with 1 in every 4 women green bleeding at any given point. It's not something other people may be ok with. I will ask again: Whose responsibility is it ultimately, to handle women's periods? I'm going to say everyone's. In the same sense that everyone's health care is rveryones responsibility. I don't use condoms, but they should be free
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:46 PM
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Oooh ok. I feel lazy for not googling it myself now. But honestly didn't know what to look for. And assuming that's true then. A man could kind of have a financial abortion
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:43 PM
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Oh right. I must of skipped that bit. Must be a proper cultural taboo if even is wife weren't keen on him doing it.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:17 PM
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Where does it say the wife left her husband because he made sanitary towels?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:12 PM
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Did I say that is what I was suggesting? No. I asked you a simple question, and instead of answering it, you pull out a straw man. I was just asking you what you're cut off point was for giving away free things. That's all. So I could understand where you're coming from better. If you didn't like anything being given away for free, your stance makes sense. But itf maybe it's just because it's a woman's issue and men shouldn't have to pay for it, then I wouldn't understand your stance. And to be …
/r/MensRights11/03/22 04:00 PM
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Why is feminism coming into this ha. And what's optional? Being on your period? Explain Let's say you're sharing a bed with a women, on her period. You wake up with stains. You're in a meeting at work, and 1 of of them have blood all down the trousers. A family event, the same thing. Regardless of what some feminists say, every women will feel differently about it
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:58 PM
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I mean.. just about everything should be, that's kind of the point. It's not some target on women, most shit costs more than it should Well yes. But surely you must agree on my points for kids or homeless, who otherwise would have no way of paying for this every single month. Let me put it this way, men kind of have to shave, many, many jobs will not let a man have facial hair or longer facial hair. Men's razors are not cheap, at all, and men have to shave a lot, Kind of have to shave, it totall…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:53 PM
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Honestly, I would not care if women free bled... This isn't an option. I'm truly starting to believe men do not understand periods. My question is why should it be every taxpayer's responsibility to pay for free tampons and pads? OK. Are you also suggesting no one should get anything for free? Wheres the line
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:33 PM
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Look. I agree with you all man. I'm just saying I could understand someone making that argument. But, my personal view, although I agree no one should he forced to stay, someone (men or women) have to help children and the vulnerable flee
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:25 PM
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don't care, men shouldn't be forced to stay in the country while women are free to flee I am agreeing with you also it's not my obligation to protect any women or children. Its everyone's obligation. Else no one would be allowed to flee
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:16 PM
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Why should we all be responsible for women's periods? I didn't say everyone should be As I said before.. maybe women should just walk round and free bleed. If that's what you'd prefer. Public schools are barely places for the homeless, don't you agree Obviously it's totally different. But periods can happen at any time, and not every school kid can out to a shop and get one. Come on now
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:13 PM
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I don't even agree that only men should be made to stay. But you could argue men are stronger. So it make sense to let women escape and protect any children. But people forget that the country has over 40 mil people , and so far only just over 2mil have fled. Therefore a lot of women are clearly choosing to stay
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:10 PM
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Yes I know you can. And trust me, I am totally on-board with things that are reusable. But they're not always practical for the homeless etc Demanding free disposable stuff like this is pure entitlement At no point has anyone said this. For the 100th time- I said they should be cheaper or free in certain circumstances where people cant afford it otherwise. And also - condoms are often free. So anyone who takes them are entitled? No. It's about health and hygiene. Jesus christ
/r/MensRights11/03/22 03:06 PM
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we're just pointing out that men suffer more and the system is entirely unfair for men. Ye. And what I am saying is, what's with the oppression contest. Women have lost their lives too. So it should be some men are suffering more Edit: I totally get everyone is suffering and its horrendous. But by saying men are suffering more, you're doing exactly the same thing the article is
/r/MensRights11/03/22 02:58 PM
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Ye. And I agree the article above is daft. But just because men are suffering, doesn't mean women aren't.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 02:06 PM
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Ye. What's happening to men there isn't good. But don't understand why it people here make it an oppression contest
/r/MensRights11/03/22 01:53 PM
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What is this subreddit if not men trying to embrace victimhood? Genuine question
/r/MensRights11/03/22 01:05 PM
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So what's shaving and razors got to do with it
/r/MensRights11/03/22 12:14 PM
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Im not suggesting anyone has to be in a relationship. You can be perfectly happy not in one. Relying on friends isn't perfect answer because they're time is often filled by their families. Right
/r/MensRights11/03/22 12:09 PM
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I did suggested that they should be cheaper and free where needed. Like in schools or where people can't afford them. But lots of things are free. You can go to your doctors and get loads of free condoms. Just depends what's viewed as a necessity
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:47 AM
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I don't understand why anyone gets married anymore. But each to their own. In terms of a relationship though, you could argue 'what does anyone get out of it'. You either meet someone and stay together forever, or someone gets their heart broken. But naturally people want companionship/ families/ love.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:35 AM
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Men don't see the pressures women are under. As I imagine women don't see men's. You cannot blanket say that no women are affected.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:30 AM
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But I dont think that proportion is anywhere near 80% men. Source?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:18 AM
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Guess it depends on circumstances and lifestyle. But as a woman, if I work full time, I am pretty much excepted to work 7 days a week to fulfil my families needs. So I think as long as the work and household chorse are shared.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 11:16 AM
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Right. But don't let others judge you. There's a phrase, 'don't cut off your nose to spite your face'.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:56 AM
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People change a lot from high school to adulthood. If you wanna date her, date he, if you don't, then don't
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:44 AM
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Ones I see tend to be older men who have shared hobbies. But they might allow women to join idk.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:12 AM
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I think discounting a gender (or anyone based on something they can't control) is a bit crazy
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:08 AM
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So you might do something just to hurt someone else's feelings? Why
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:03 AM
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Oh I have a question. You might know. What if a man isn't on the kids birth certificate? Are they still made to pay maintenance?
/r/MensRights11/03/22 08:02 AM
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Oh right. I didn't realise that. Absolutely something people should petition their governments for. I'd love it if the man was the one who took a pill or something. Not as big a deal if I forget, and double protection
/r/MensRights11/03/22 07:32 AM
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I agree. Sanitary products is a necessity and it's childish it think otherwise
/r/MensRights11/03/22 07:14 AM
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I thought they'd invented a male hormone pill now
/r/MensRights11/03/22 07:13 AM
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a woman wants to have sex and doesn't want the responsibilities of parenthood, she has dozens of cotraception options, multi-stage abortion, adoption, and safe-haven abandonment in the US Oh. You know men can use contraception too right FGM is recognised as a human rights violations under international law, even at the level of a ceremonial pin-prick. Where it is practiced, they do comparable procedures to baby boys too - I'll concede that they're treated equally in those places, though FGM is s…
/r/MensRights11/03/22 06:54 AM
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Would people be happy if women didn't use sanitary products? Just walking around with blood stains.
/r/MensRights11/03/22 06:49 AM
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What. I was talkikg about sanitary products. You know.. periods
/r/MensRights11/03/22 06:47 AM
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There might be some people here who change their views depending on the audience. But, I will say, any feminists here (like them or not), do seem to be more objective and tend to look at the bigger picture. And ye, even if they have a valid point, its ignored or downvoted, or its assumed they're automatically a man hater
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:42 PM
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Personally I just feel its important than men and women still have separate movements due to having separate issues. Men helped women with their rights, so surely women can help men, so they have to meet somewhere in the middle eventually. When I lurk here. People seem to think women getting rights, equates to them having less. And sometimes I think these people have never looked into women's issues. Understandably, but they have so many opinions on it still
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:39 PM
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Oh yes. I have some very productive conversations that aren't just an oppression contest. I was just speaking from lurking and personal intersections where things go down hill because people here downvote very valid female/or feminist points just because they are women/have different perspectives
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:36 PM
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But to counter that, that's likely a bunch of Mra who would never lift a finger for women. Sure, men and women are different and have different issues. But surely for true equality, whatever that is, you need both genders to agree.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:32 PM
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Source?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:13 PM
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Not gonna mentioned everything questionable here. But sanitary products should absolutely be cheaper than they currently are, and free where possible
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:58 PM
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As soon as I saw he was pro life, I downvote
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:57 PM
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OK. I think this subreddit has tainted me slightly. When I first got here i got very annoyed that people would write 'women' or 'all women'. When I tried to correct them I got down voted or called a feminist. I got so sick of that, I resorted to the same thing I see here and just say 'men'
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:52 PM
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right to separate sex from parenthood, This might be me being stupid. But what does this mean? right to genital integrity Depends on the country the right to a vote without obligation of service to the state. I don't think anyone should be made to serve. But think everyone should get the vote.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:43 PM
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More rights than men? No. More rights than they started with, putting them equal to men? Yes
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:36 PM
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She says this is not real feminism and she is completely right. Yeah. Exactly.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:20 PM
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Do you call everyone you disagree a feminist?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:17 PM
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So men shouldn't be expected to service women's needs, but none of that has ever been addressed If you don't only think of people as men/women, but just people, servicing each other isn't infertility a bad thing. We do need cooperation after all. It's been known since the 60's that women make 70%+ of all purchasing decisions, which means they're spending far much more money than they are making. I've heard this too. But never looked into it enough. Maybe this happens when their are children invo…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:54 PM
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Right ok ok. So from the examples given, it's frustration at assumptions made about you expectation peoples auto have for you No wiggle room to be anything else maybe "Big dick energy" I've never thought of this being insulting in any way before. But you are right, it's not a good phrase. I doubt women would like 'big tit energy' Look, society is build on the premise of using a carrot and stick to get men to do work that moves society forward. Women resent being the carrot and all instances wher…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:45 PM
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I think this is where we aren't effectively communicating. I know the ways in which this is true for women, as I am one and it is my lived experience. But I am mostly unaware of these things for men. Like, for women, we are 'expected' to act a certain way in the company of men, be grateful of compliments etc. But I know I need educating about the things men go through. So if anyone is willing to give some examples, that would be great.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:19 PM
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K, but its NOT tho. Men are Men regardless of how "manly" you (or other people) think they are acting/behaving Ye of course. I didn't suggest a man isn't a man because he doesn't do something that is seen as 'manly'. That was my point. What you deem as 'manly' might be different to what other men view as manly. My whoe point was, it's so subjective it doesn't even matter, so why get hung up on it? Well, you don't have your job, home life, respect of your peers/wife/kids/family/boss/everyone rest…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 06:11 PM
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Oh right OK. I think I'm with you now. I don't know if this is just me, or I happen to move in particular circles where I haven't experienced it, but I wouldn't suggest anyone saying 'big boobs are feminine' would or should make any assumptions about other women. Like, I wouldn't find any of it offensive if I didn't tick a 'feminine' box. It's why I say masculinity and femininity is kind of subjective and open to challenge and change. It kind of all depends how you view it (assuming you as an in…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:58 PM
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To be honest, I am a woman and would never expect a man to pay anything in excess of what he can afford, and naturally I'm open to spiltting costs. And I guess it depends if you're dating for sex, or for a relationship.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:53 PM
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Why does this post start with 'baby'? What's that about
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:34 PM
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That's an interesting observation. And I'm sorry that happened, I apologise on behalf of my gender! I'm trying to think back to times I've been in situations like this and who helped. I am a woman, and I must admit women helped more, BUT I will say, there were 2 extremes from men. Some didn't acknowledge me as you say women didn't for you, but some men went out of their way to help. Very strange when you think about it.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:30 PM
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So the point went right over your head, because you're doing the behavior we're talking about. Probably, but I am just trying my best to learn and understand Women don't get to decide what is manly I am a woman, I think everything a man does is automatically manly because a man is doing it. Same goes for women and femininity. Therefore men and women decide what is and isn't due to their actions, right? Then they need to grow up. Men's differing hormone levels might change who they're attracted t…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:23 PM
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Lol I have never heard of this 5 dates rule. And as a woman, I prefer chunky men !
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:13 PM
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Because, in their minds, if the masculinity can be taken away, they didn't deserve it in the first place I guess it just depends on people's (probably differing) views of what masculinity is though, right? Example, some women may genuinely think crying is manly, and some may not. I say this because I don't see why anyone would want to take away anyones 'manhood', assuming manhood means someone being a hood husband, dad, etc The people who refer to men as alpha or beta. Thats what alpha and beta …
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:11 PM
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If the man had to lose a bunch of salary for being off work due to giving birth, I think women would probably offer to help make the finances equal.. It's a bit werid. But I don't think it's crazy. Sounds like she is just being practical as it is both their kid and only she is negatively affect financially. Edit: let's assume we live in a word where you have to pay to have kids, like you order one from a store, wouldn't you pay 50/50 as a couple?
/r/MensRights10/03/22 05:05 PM
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But if women prefer manly men, why would they try and take masculinity away from them? I asked as I am genuinely confused. I see some women say it is manly to cry. There's loads of alternative views here. And if you want to use that "alpha"/"beta" reductionist terminology, people into that stuff generally agree that women liking beta's are coping for not being as attractive and getting as much attention as when they were younger. I am just speaking on what I have seen. I'm not saying any of this…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:48 PM
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I don't think anyone is suggesting women get paid less for the same work. The gender pay gap theory is more to do with women being in lower paid sectors
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:37 PM
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I actually view this as positive, and would suggest women are trying to advocate for men's mental health. There might be negative undertones or begins from some people, but I don't see any issue here
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:34 PM
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I agree with the other comments. It totally depends where you are in the world, and again on your individual circumstances. Both have I bad in some ways, and both have it good in others. I don't think you can compare. But in relation to your points - I'd agree some are probably true, but others are slowly being improved. And some of them, it's totally irrelevant what gender you are, it's true for most people
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:32 PM
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Oh ok, I see! Thank you. I was getting a little confused. And I think that's actually very valid. But I will say, I as a woman, have been told I am acceptable to date because I have a good job. Almost as though if I didn't, I wouldn't. There are lots of very superficial people around! But maybe I have also subconsciously turned men away for the same reason. Its why I am here, I want to challenge my own bias
/r/MensRights10/03/22 04:03 PM
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I appreciate you're input and agree you're probably correct. One thing I don't understand here though.. there seems to be a rise is androgynous men being women's preference. And in many places I have seen women open say they prefer 'beta' to 'alpha' men. I'm not saying any of this is my opinion, but it is something I have witnessed
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:43 PM
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I actually agree with this. I was in a serious relationship pretty young, it wasn't bad or overly negative, but regardless I am so much happier being single. I see my friends (mid 20s) getting married to their first proper partners and you just know it likely won't end well because they've never learnt how to he alone
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:37 PM
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I think I asked on a different thread but didn't get answered. Can you elaborate how men are mocked? I believe you that it happens, I'm just after some examples so I understand better
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:34 PM
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I imagine he means the issues is kind of a non issue once you reach a certain age, have selected mature social circles, have a certain level of confidence
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:27 PM
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I think its a positive trait when people don't 'settle' for the first person that comes along. There are certainly advantages to being in a couple, but there are lots to being single and picky
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:23 PM
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I don't really think you can say it's a lower level if you have never experienced it. Like anything, it'll just come down to individual circumstances, how supportive family is, how easily someone can ignore it etc. It's probably equally bad for both. But the other gender has never considered the other genders view
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:22 PM
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Maybe too its because even though we are open to new kinds of relationships, I'd say that causes people to enter them more cautionly. So the 'dating' stage lasts far longer. What our parents may view as a relationship, really isn't. And we can't be bothered to explain
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:18 PM
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I'm here to learn, so please don't judge me. But what mocking do men suffer in relation to this? It's not ever something I have ever thought about, but am keen to adopt better language / opinions
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:14 PM
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I think that's all there is to it maybe. Just ignore what people say.. I am female and absolutely feel the pressure to be coupled, but choose to ignore it. However, I would never suggest its that easy for everyone. And about open relationships, I don't think that's the answer, I wouldn't want to share a woman, nor a woman would share her man.. I personally don't believe it's the answer either. But I'm sure you'd agree, we mustn't judge people who are into that stuff. I was just acknowledging it'…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 03:09 PM
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I think whats helpful, it normalising people not wanting / being ready for families, even well into their 30s. I think its also true that 'the younger generation' (sorry to generalise) are more open to relationships not only classified as monogamous.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:42 PM
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Ye sorry. I was simply replying to your question about how it affects women. I agree its relevant to both. What do you recommend anyone does? I imagine part of the judgement comes from the older generation
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:13 PM
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I would say its bad for both genders. Mocking anyone about their relationship status is awful thing to do. Women are put under pressure in regard to their 'biological clock'.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 02:03 PM
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Woah. Relax. I work in recruitment, and used to work in employment law.. in mine and many others experiences, what you're saying is incorrect. Women apply for these positions, and even with adequate/ similar experience and expertise, they are not promoted. And who said anything about me being a feminists? I am just speaking facts Also. I acknowledged in my post that men and women do make different careers choices. So not sure how anywhere it could be said I am assuming that men and women are the…
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:58 PM
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Totally agree. Men blame women ALOT. When in reality, it's men who created / signed off on the laws
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:41 PM
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Ye. I don't understand the logic that people (men and women) can't achieve both. Men's job and women's job simply aren't a thing. Sure we gravitate towards one or another statically, but statistics are never the whole story
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:36 PM
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Surely the argument should be, you can't be president unless you have actually served.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:33 PM
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I have a question. If you were to list all the reasons you appreciated women, what would the top 3 be? Genuinely curious
/r/MensRights10/03/22 12:28 PM
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Oh ha. Sorry. I assume everyone on this subreddit is disagreeing. Ps I am at work right now, I work in recruitment lol
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:42 AM
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So? Everyone is entitled to their own choice and opinion. Some women do not want families. I don't see your point
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:34 AM
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You are down voting facts ha. Google it
/r/MensRights10/03/22 11:33 AM
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Yes. But the reason may not be justified. For example, women often choose lower paid jobs out of necessity rather can choice. And when they do priorities their careers, they often sidelined for men. Hiring managers tend to promote people who remind them on themselves.
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:26 AM
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I mean, ye. Women do tend to pick lower paid careers. However, it's also a fact that women, minorities, lgbtq etc, do in fact get promoted less
/r/MensRights10/03/22 10:04 AM
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