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articleAdOtherwise3824/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 06:14 PM
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There's sort of two "modes" of attraction. M1 is "initial attraction." This is the instant decisions being made off of very little information. Looks, money, height, confidence, and charisma (and their interactions) are what dominate this. M2 is heavily influenced by M1, but the big ones there are stability, "self-assuredness", competence, kindness*, but also providing. *kindness being a mess of socially constructed things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 03:00 PM
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within me are two wolves. One wants a kumbayah utopian community based society. The other can only push for cynical individualism out of survival.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 02:55 PM
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Not to mention, the higher percentage of college graduates being women is largely due to K-post-grad discrimination in favor of women and girls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/26 02:53 PM
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Ah thank you for catching that. I didn't look too closely because I just wanted the data (to which I would've realized my error and then read the methods closer xD), so thanks for updating me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 09:22 PM
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I do wonder how much internal consistency there is among respondents for those fear based measures. Is it such that 48% of respondents answered yes to at least one of those, or is it higher because of the small nuances between them? I suspect it's notably higher, but I couldn't find their data with a cursory search
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:58 PM
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The cynic in me is going crazy rn. Is that why so many online women say "they must just be closeted gay" to men that disagree with them/call out misandry? They are just projecting their own political lesbianism? fuuuucccccckkkkkkk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:46 PM
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Yeah, out of team sports, american football is probably one of the worst ones. Basketball and soccer would be a lot more consistent and safe. I could also see value in individual team sports, similar to olympic gymnastics. Where you build teamwork and strategy but based on individual skills. Like that one US pommel horse guy from the last olympics xD. International sensation because of how a team rounded around that individual performance
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:40 PM
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I agree. I love sports as a way to socialize people/kids/etc. But a lot of the issues is with sports culture. The US could not lean on sports because we've always had a really toxic relationship with sports that absolutely alienates a lot of kids and adults. We do need more emphasis on individual sports, friendly team sports, progress, not status, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:36 PM
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If you're university age/student, those are starting to get esports/gaming clubs that I've seen really positive experiences with, but mileage may vary. There's always warhammer xD Malest of male in person hobbies anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:34 PM
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It's honestly crazy how despite more "equality" it's like men's need to be seen as master's of the "patriarchy" (or more accurately, master's of power and status) has only gotten worse. The constant need to be pure perfection to even be seen as human
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:32 PM
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at least cats are usually funny and friendly about it, even if a bit obstructive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:30 PM
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Eh, I sort of agree, but really the issue is building rapport. Go to those third spaces and you get 2 types of people 1. short-termers you don't have time to know 2. long-termers that you may or may not be close to, but are still unlikely to build a close relationship (platonic or romantic) with. That then loops back into the same issues of feeling purposeless and isolated. When a guy is actually alone this can be a lot harder to weather. The author mentioned he has a wife, that does a lot as a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 05:30 PM
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Because I'm not talking personally. In general, men are less choosy and try more to have relationships active and are judged significantly for not being in one, which incentives doing more. Essentially, I'm separating the individual from the "looking glass individual" which is the person as acted upon by the outside world. Individually it is healthier to be choosy. But socially it can be harmful through all these different external factors. And the issue is that it's very very difficult to have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/26 04:59 PM
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I hate how a reasonable take of "racism from a person in power hits a bit different than from the reverse" got turned into "actually racism only happens when it's by someone in power."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 01:24 PM
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agreed. His statements of fact are well supported, but the solutions and opinions are where he gets off the rails. Like why red-shirt boys when we could just adapt education to be multi modal and to reduce gender discrimination? red-shirting just seems like such a band-aid that can cause more harm bc age shaming would become nasty
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 04:48 AM
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I generally agree with you, but I take somewhat of a more... pragmatic approach to this. I personally see him as a feminist that want's to help men to genuinely help men but also to bolster feminism. It's dying by "feminism is for equality," which I don't agree with, but I understand and accept it. He serves a useful dialectal role, imo. Because his book is well written and firmly rooted in empirical work, it's basically impossible to contest the statements of fact in the book (without outright …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 04:46 AM
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I find the right so ghoulish that I basically pretend they don't exist because giving any oxygen to that is just... not a good time for anyone
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/26 09:17 PM
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It's both. It is a demand for civil rights (albeit a lot of it is grossly misrepresented but I digress), but also it is solely placing blame on "Men TM." Not the system. Not the government. Not the powerful. Men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:33 PM
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if women could understand people's intentions as well as you claim, they wouldn't be harmed as often as they are. I agree that trying to find a reason to love someone isn't healthy. My point is that there are plenty of guys compatible with women. There are vanishingly few women compatible with guys. So guys adding standards only exponentially decreases their odds of finding any partner. And instead of idk, trying to help guys cope with that and grow past it, people just ask them to further lower…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:31 PM
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Nietzsche and other early nihilists (especially the egoist branch) honestly have really interesting perspectives on gender and gender roles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:27 PM
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sometimes it really does feel like that haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:26 PM
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tfw AI warfare actually might help achieve equality for men because they won't the disposable meat bags anymore..../ half sarcasm
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:23 PM
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I mean, it is true that expression atypically as a man can be a driver of loneliness because men are still hyper expected to fit the male role and deviance is punished with ostracism. But IMO, it is not on men to shove themselves into the man box. It's on others (man and women) to destroy the man box. Also, those "woke cowboy" types always end up being horrible people xD I'm active a lot in outdoorsy spaces where those men are EVERYWHERE and it gives much schadenfreude seeing the revolving door …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:21 PM
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Better even, they'll tell you that actually it's other (right wing) men that tell you that opening up is bad, while in the same breath of demonstrating they make opening up bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:11 PM
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Yes because it was foundational to the entire first wave feminist movement. Just because the mainstream feminist is too stupid to understand their own belief system doesn't mean they don't carry the theories and rhetoric of the parts they don't understand.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:13 AM
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One of the first major feminists texts was the declaration of sentiments. The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world. He has never permitted her to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise. He has compelled her to submit to laws, in the formation of which she had no voice. He has withheld …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:11 AM
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So I will agree that it is extremely difficult to set men free from gendered expectations, with dating expectations being one of the major reasons behind that. But, I argue that is still ultimately a construction we should break, even if it means encouraging men to go their own way and give up on dating or whatever. I like to say that we will never have anything close to an equal society until we let go of what a "man" is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:08 AM
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Ah yes, the world famous personality detector that women have, where they magically can see every man that only wants to have sex with them. Don't look at domestic violence victimization and perpetration statistics. Also, it's not like adding more standards helps men. It makes things exponentially worse, in fact. A guy can usually find a reason to love someone they don't share a lot with, so having low standards enables that. Higher standards reduces opportunities and thus makes dating that much…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:03 AM
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I think it's because they know fully acknowledging it will collapse their entire ideology, so they're trying to get ahead of the game.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/26 01:43 PM
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> Can you imagine the outrage if some red pill misogynist declared that female suicide is tantamount to infanticide and child abuse because she’s destroying viable eggs and potential pregnancies?? I would absolutely be just as outraged by a statement like that as I am about that thread. And note, we really don't see misogynists say that. Another example of where feminists actually may be worse than those idiots
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/26 01:39 PM
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I'm always very suspicious of women that have a man they were partnered with (or similar) commit suicide, especially if they act like it came from nowhere or was done to them. To me it just reads as they know they're guilty of actively driving that man to suicide, but they can't cope with that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/26 01:35 PM
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I hate how there is the perfectly reasonable take that "hatred directed towards a hated individual is probably less harmful than hatred directed towards a loved individual" and then it gets twisted into the "it's fine to hate entire groups because they are perceived to have systemic power over you."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/26 11:31 PM
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Which is crazy considering like... yeah, no one has gotten drafted since Vietnam, a war where my uncle was drafted. Sure, get 100-200 years away from the last draft and it's fair to relegate that to low priority, but it was experienced by direct family.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/26 03:15 PM
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As someone with serious scientific writing experience and chops, it frustrates me so much when people use pithy one liners that actually mean nothing. JUST SAY WHAT YOU MEAN!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/26 02:03 AM
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"no one is entitled to be a senator" as if he wasn't unilaterally voted for in order to become a senator and as if the condition of being a senator is 100% contingent on a whim
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 11:50 PM
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Sure, they are singular, technically cherry picked examples. But how are researchers, institute leaders, and popular journalists, not the product of a zeitgeist that approves of them? And frankly, if you want to target the core ideology and the nebulous mass that follows it, due to the nebulousness of the mass, the concomitant evidence is itself nebulous, and thus never satisfying. Are feminists in power and profile not representative? Okay, so how many people are necessary to make it representa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 05:04 PM
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The worst part is like, Platner really does seem, at least to me, like a guy that's taken a very long time to get his shit together and acknowledge the shit he has done and how it was harmful. He seems like the exact kind of "man who learns to be better" people ask for. I really have to wonder, what incentive is there to change for the better when the past is still used to demonize you? "redemption for me but not for thee" I guess
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 04:53 PM
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Now people are like "maybe this is why we should elect women" as if they are any better. They just can't be astroturfed in the same way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 03:59 PM
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And just remember they will rake you over the coals for applying the same "SAY WHAT YOU ACTUALLY MEAN" litmus. If Patriarchy didn't mean "men," then use a different term. If you mean verify rather than dismiss, don't say "believe women." We should ALWAYS support accusations and take them seriously. But we also shouldn't use them to lynch. In fact, basically any victim justice should hyper focus on helping the victim, NOT attacking the accused.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 03:58 PM
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Yeah the Platner thing really hits my negative cynic. The media spends all this time trying to bash the guy for every and all issue in the past, then when it's clear it didn't work, they make the kill shot. It perfectly illustrated what is required to knock a populist dem out of a race at will. And imo, it's obviously all bullshit. Tara Reade had literal shown messages indicating time and place and event at the time the alleged assault by Biden occured. 1. she was completely buried because she a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/26 03:53 PM
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I wish they would point more directly at boyfriends but nah, gotta bash on loners lol. And yes, men do the same stupid attributions when it comes to law and the like. And? What I say doesn't change in light of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 11:06 PM
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and when they talk about domestic abuse against women who do they blame? loners, incels, strangers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 06:29 PM
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Have you seen modern discourses about violence against women? Serioiusly. Because to me it seems obvious that vanishingly few understand that it is partners that cause harm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 01:48 PM
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What I'm outlining is a population level generality. Sure, a lot of passivity can be out of concern for oneself, not over her, but it is less likely than in the case of a guy that is active where there's little concern over either from the outset. Now, is this difference 1%? 10%? 90%? I have no clue. But it's just describing the basic behavioral pattern one could expect, and acknowledging that can help navigate those situations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 01:47 PM
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also worthwhile context is that he was unilaterally lambasted, and was a small fortnite montage rapper rather than a publicly broadcast artist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/26 01:37 PM
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and you go to google scholar and see there's a TON of research using indirect methods (not cadavers). That indirectness works, but it is liable for a lot of conflating and confounding factors that lead to large uncertainty. That then gets interpreted by people as "we know nothing about endometriosis" which is then used as a cudgel against the very researchers trying their best. Since you seem to actually accept the volume of indirect studies (broadcast genetic studies, risk factors, lifestyle, e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 07:19 PM
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And how will you explore those unexplored aspects? Going to remove the uterus of women? How will you recruit people ethically? What will you look at specifically? What are the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns that will complicate things significantly? Or are you going to do a drug intervention? What are you secondary effects, primary effects, and possible confounders? Is it hormonal? What considerations must be made? Essentially, it's difficult to study not because there isn't a lot to st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/26 07:13 PM
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I mainly just wanted to emphasize that point. My bad for framing it as a note.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/26 01:49 PM
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fascinating. I find it interesting because the empirical claims are just factual. Any rational person should answer yes to both lol. Yet it's 30-60% for either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/26 01:45 PM
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also important of note, during the US "war on terror," any and all "fighting aged males" were suspected terrorists and were a notable proportion of civilian casualties. This isn't just a "Russia" or "Iran" or whatever thing. This is every military
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 11:47 PM
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Idk, I think a lot of well meaning people would say "ukraine war" just because that's how so much of it is talked about, and they wouldn't think much beyond that. I think it's worthwhile to call out, but I also think some degree of grace is warranted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:05 PM
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plus, method specific mortality is, in general, higher in men, so method choice isn't the full explanation (full disclosure, there's a lot of mixed results on that, so hard to say how much of an effect there is). And yeah they don't seem to consider why men choose more lethal methods. And it's not like the dead man have a say in that discussion anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 09:02 PM
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Same brother. People these days are stunned that I went through so much education and so much effort to just comfortably sit at a 60k a year job. And it's like, I've learned where thriving for more would destroy me and who I am. I'd rather be single, in an apartment, and content than fighting to be exploited by relationships and employment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 06:36 PM
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same here. Like, to me I don't find it valuable or anything to really talk about conservatives and the like because it's the same ridiculous shit it's been for ten years. They never cared, they don't care, end of story. But the insane NEED for feminism to posture as caring, whilst clearly not, really does grind my gears. I feel like I can at least shift a conservative to vote for pro-male legislation because they are speech checkable NPCs (I'm being cheeky there), but a median feminist I have le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:47 AM
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Your "misandry is ultimately" paragraph sounds like you're in complete alignment with what this sub tends to espouse. Yes there are some "good feminists" but they aren't nearly powerful enough to really consider as meaningful, Feminism, the movement, largely is a weapon of the ruling class. So, I guess you just want more economic analysis?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:44 AM
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Is it grievance politics or "the personal is political"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:37 AM
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To illustrate how dire the situation is, all you have to do is just post basic stats about IPV or made to penetrate. Say nothing else. The response is indicative of how bad things have gotten. People now live in different realities. When they see basic facts, instead of acknowledging and metabolizing them into a better view of the world, it is instantly shut down as lies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:36 AM
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I think in this specific case, bringing up bourgeois feminism is valuable because the post is trying to play the class v feminism which matters more game.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:32 AM
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I hate having to scream "the marxist feminists were right!"anytime people start talking about class and feminism. feminism got as large as it did because it benefited the bourgeoisie. Every right and privilege women were given was because it benefited the bourgeoisie. I'm being a bit hyperbolic there, but that's my dialectal duty in a world of "Women pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and earned their right to vote!" To clarify, those rights and privileges are good things. But good things …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:31 AM
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"meet me in the middle" says the unjust man, as he takes a step back
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:24 AM
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Also, people here are generally pro choice. Hell, many are so pro choice that they apply it to men with paper abortion advocacy. It's crazy how we're made out to be hypocrites that aren't really left wing while feminists get a pass for literally doing the thing they wrongly accuse us of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:23 AM
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We literally do that already.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:19 AM
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"what if the world were cheese" type comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:12 AM
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I don't think anyone here denies that billionaires in power are vital to address. It's just that we can't really address them because a huge population will willingly suck their dicks just because and another huge population acts like they live in opposition whilst eating all the gender war shit they are fed. It would be insane to just ignore them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:10 AM
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The real root is power but no one wants to hear about anarchy-based governments that functions off of hyper distributed and decentralized power so no singular person can get anything significant. So here we are
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:06 AM
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That's a good way of putting. It's not like this sub is the ONLY political thought people here have. It's just it's the only one where people are safe expressing discontentment with feminism, the station of men, etc. If they wanted to discuss economic conditions, there's many other subs more suited to that. So the things people come here to post are the things where a niche is unfilled, that being advocating for men, usually against feminist and bigotry at large
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/26 05:04 AM
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The number of times I've tried explaining "relying on men to approach you and chase you necessarily selects for more confident, pushy men," to only be met with utter confusion is... way too many Truly baffles me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 02:05 PM
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Hard for me not to be solipsistic often lol. There is a certain degree of admiration and disgust I have for the archetypes you describe. Like yeah... kind of impressive and is a way to gain social mobility, respect. But also, ew, so vain, and what the fuck is the guy even doing? Be better than that man!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:15 AM
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"feminism has, and will never have a monopoly on equality"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:11 AM
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And then they point to the handful of academics that said "oh but women should be conscripted too! Or even better, no conscription!" as if that changes that the dominant mass of feminism does not care.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:11 AM
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xD That's fantastic. Glad you got that experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:03 AM
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I will say this. I find my sympathy ever waning as feminist women complain about the dating market, relationships, sex, etc. Like... This is probably the most free time of human history for women to choose the most magical and dreamy relationships, and they just don't. Instead they resent their own issues, then project it onto men. This is probably the take I'm closest to misogyny on tbh (feel free to delete). It's so annoying seeing so much self-sabotage that takes casualties with it, and all f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:02 AM
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which is hilarious because you're probably dead on. Overcorrective parenting leading to an overly nice man who doesn't get basic needs and expectations met. Happens all the goddamn time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 04:54 AM
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"I treat women like people, as in they can be horrendous and violent too"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 04:53 AM
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it's so frustrating how often they're like "you need to read more on feminism." I've literally read more than they have on feminism. Without fail I bring up obvious fundamental feminist theory and they are at a loss. It's very gaslighty
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 03:12 PM
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The other day I had a back and forth with somewhere where they firmly believed in the patriarchy, but also acted like they were egalitarian and when pushed... actually sort of seemed such. Idk, crazy mental gymnastics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 04:24 AM
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yeah. They use their aro/ace-ness to insult men that express some degree of loneliness or critique of feminism. So they defend feminism in particularly aggressive ways. Early I mentioned a specific case but I could detail that more. I was critiquing on instagram how narratives of sexual violence consistently erase male victims. This guy came flying in screaming at me at how men are violent monsters and how I was wrong, you know the drill. Every time I provided concrete rebuttals he would just go…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 04:26 PM
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So I'm specifically talking about those that immerse themselves in rad fem spaces. The attack dog ones. They lash out at other men and it won't build any good will with the people they're defending. Regular aro/ace people are soldiers in the sense you describe. Sorry I should have more clearly separated that these are two different groups where they each do their own things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 03:09 PM
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and like soliders, they harm others to little benefit to themselves, And they'll promptly get discarded.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 02:18 PM
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well they go into rad fem spaces because if they act as hyper aggressive attack dogs that use the "you're not entitled to sex. I dont get sex and I'm fine, blah blah blah" talking points, they get social support. It's patronizing and hollow support. I feel horrible for them and the inevitable collapse. But, that is how at least those handful operated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 02:10 PM
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I've encountered a few men that identify aro/ace, but I've only seen them in niche male heavy mental health communities or crazy rad fem communities. My guess is that in the mental health communities, that's where they feel safe expressing it. In the rad fem communities, where they can use it as a cudgel (my interactions with these types have been... horrendous to say the least. A funny example is one called me a poser for commenting that it's awesome he likes Xasthur and that I like them too. O…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 01:51 PM
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I personally lean "i'm more progressive than the average feminist" to reclaim the territory, but that doesn't change that 'P'rogressives, as a movement of people, are probably less 'p'rogressive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 01:39 PM
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a perfect saying xD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 12:16 AM
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I did that exact same thing then went "WAIT, I thought there was more to the sword of damocles story" and then googled it. TBF, it sort of takes a turbo nerd to think that lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/26 12:14 AM
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I do want to say, I think it's a given that everybody here hates conservatism enough to where we don't find it valuable to discuss what to do about it. I think that's why we don't talk a lot about the trash that is voting for a conservative. Now, we do try to understand men that do vote conservative because of misconceptions over how much said politician cares about men, but that's separate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 11:01 PM
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Ultimately that's why I argue that Feminist theory (and honestly, identitarian concepts of power more broadly) are Hegemonic in nature. They push rather than stifle hierarchy because there's such a big difference in terms of who has this lens applied to them and who doesn't. Who gets deconstructed and who doesn't. Who gets looked at in terms of acting in good faith and who doesn't. The problem is said hierarchy, especially the Male Gender Role part of it, plays a big part of maintaining and upho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:58 PM
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I will add that there are legitimate self described feminists that are good. The distinction that's important is it's not the feminism that makes them good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:55 PM
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keep in mind that feminists have no qualms about invoking the dangerous mushroom (Der Giftpilz) trope and the "if you're at a table of 9 with 1 nazi, that's a table of 9 nazi's" rhetoric to bash men writ large. Dangerous mushroom was evil because it was identity and used to justify hate. "table of nazi's" works better because it's conduct-based and is calling out nazi enabling. Our perspective that "'not true' feminism is not called out enough to protect the 'true' feminists from criticism" is M…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:54 PM
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hell, there's no good proof bell hooks herself followed her own teachings lol. I'm stealing "it is not up to men to go and look for the good faith feminists, it is for feminists to push the good faith feminists themselves." That's a banger that perfectly illustrates why the "it's not our responsibility, that's not true feminism," is a crock of shit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:48 PM
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You might be really onto something with the sword of damocles reference. It might be able to bridge some feminists over. I say this because the point of it was the "risk, and concurrent fear of being in a position of power that can fall apart catastrophically." Yes, it concedes that "men are in power" which does suck, but that little concession might help scaffold the "fall apart catastrophically" part. I haven't given this much thought so I already see holes in it, but I'll stop here xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:43 PM
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I echo much of your sentiment. Sure, a woman may feel they can't fight back physically. There may even be a social component (although, some of that is overblown. there are dedicated free services to help female rape victims and a lot of normal people support them. Yes, police don't, but that doesn't help anyone much anyway), but for men, they cannot fight back in any capacity without a huge blow to their life, both socially and legally. That is just as sufficient a reason of "they have too much…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:37 PM
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The ironic thing is this very same guy had recently confided in me that his wife had been beating him for years. I mean, that says a lot imo. I know when I was at my most abused, I would've said similar as he did. That is one thing that I have to remind myself when I see those types of men as traitors. They are also oftentimes victims. They do deserve the traitor label, but in a "dude grow some love for your fellow man" way not in a "you should die alone" way lol. I want to add that I had a big …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:29 PM
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just remember that when that national coalition for men and boys does the same shit, they get LAMBASTED.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 05:19 AM
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Beyond parody. Literally came up the other day that's theres a very similar case that is in fact misandry <image>
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 05:16 AM
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it was so painful blocking this one tattoo artist and music nerd because she just became low effort ragebaiting misogynists, and the typical friendly fire nonsense. She was so cool, but brainrot algorithmic pushing ruined it. But yeah, adding screen time limits, blocking creators, actively liking unrelated stuff and actively not engaging AT ALL with stuff you don't like, all help
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 11:56 PM
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red pill vs feminism? feminism is more of a threat. Red pill is fairly specific and doesn't have much pull. Manosphere vs feminism? That can kind of go anywhere depending on what is included in "manosphere." My (somewhat joking) litmus is if your manosphere definition includes joe rogan, then manosphere is more of a threat (just because it's dumb conservative populism and including him would necessitate including a lot of his orbiters/pushers such as thiel and musk). If it doesn't, then feminism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 11:54 PM
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Duluth model of domestic violence. :shrug:
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 11:51 PM
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Especially relevant given Obsession recently fulfilled a similar niche in the other direction. Even better because you can turn around and go "it's not a monkey's paw! the wish was just evil!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/26 01:48 PM
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So being longitudinal matters because it captures multiple snapshots in time. With multiple snapshots you can discuss how things have changed over time, and with certain designs can start to parse out causative relationships. We could only get the story of "things have notably changed, and that's the problem" because it's longitudinal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 03:59 PM
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It's my go to citation to illustrate that "there is a problem of young women perpetuating rape myths more." The thing I want to note is that because it's longitudinal, it almost doesn't matter what the percent actually is, because the story is the complete reversal in those numbers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 02:31 PM
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To defend this sub, they cut down on dating type discussion because it can VERY QUICKLY devolve into low effort personal grievance farming around dating. It's a nasty thing to actively enable when we do still play a political role as "not like those incels." When any and all dating concerns on this sub can get brigaded, it's safer to just not allow it. But yeah, it does miss out on some stuff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 04:12 AM
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That feminist pathologies around trans people certainly are.... ripe for discussion.. so to speak lol. So many layers of weird interacting positives and negatives that turn into a shit sandwich.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 02:52 AM
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Oh yeah there's definitely loudness bias, and 5% isn't that low when it comes to people. It's just annoying how this is used as some universal truth that "women don't care about height" when the data clearly shows they do. It's textbook "anecdotes superseding evidence"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/26 02:51 AM
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honestly, given how exceptionally rare they are, we kind of should ignore them. Not remotely in the long-lists of actual risks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 07:50 PM
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"But I know a friend that dates short men! All my partners have been shorter than me!" 🤡 Yeah, I'm supposed to believe everyone commenting is part of that bottom 5% of the "height different in relationship" chart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 07:48 PM
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The 60's 70's is when feminism really got powerful in the economy and yeah it abandoned class struggles entirely. Second wave feminism is unabashedly misandrist, and a lot of modern western feminism maintains the same beliefs and fundamental assumptions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 06:01 PM
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I don't have time to go through and cite papers unfortunately, but I just want to point out that there are multiple scales explaining the gap. The lowest level (individual) is that boys and men are graded worse and punished more for the same output/behavior. The grade gap is about a full letter from this. At the classroom level, boys and men are given less attention and support. At the school/district level there are fewer programs for boys and men. At the government level there's more funding f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 05:56 PM
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The first international women's conference was rife with arguments between eastern feminists and western feminists because eastern feminists came from the marxist/engels branch, so class was their primary focus. They hated bourgeois feminism because it cared too much about dividing the working class against each other, which described a lot of the western feminists. Clara Zetkin and Rosa Luxembourg are the two I know best that talked about this best. So going back to early 1900's there was alrea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 05:40 PM
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"dark progressivism" is an appropriate phrase for that type of political inceldom. Because a lot of it does absolutely use class and intersectional analysis, but it also tends to resolve into a lot of evolutionary psychology/appeals to biology, can often times be trans exclusive, sometimes not even pretending to care about equality. Hilariously, as I wrote that I realized that is indistinguishable from feminism under that description xD. And yeah, important to separate from regular blackpillers.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 05:32 PM
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Damn the first "incel" killing in YEARS and now all of sudden people are talking more about incel violence 🙄 Here is what the Gazette claims the manifesto listed as targets In his manifesto, he lists dozens of “valid potential class A targets,” including international real-estate brokerages, private equity firms, elite bankers and politicians, influential Zionists, private health and oil CEOs, plastic surgeons, cryptocurrency leaders, the headquarters of all corporations with ties to Zionism (IB…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 06:21 AM
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I notice that the blue drum case is not all that dissimilar from that one story of the japanese girl tortured, murdered, then buried in cement. But only one get's around the media and true crime circuit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/26 04:40 AM
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"Many countries accepted the trans identities of people without making everything confusing. And it's seems working fine" I'm not really sure where you're getting this but idk, I won't harp on this. The rest I see the logic of. Yeah it does lump something that could be split. That's a fair criticism, at least in the case of trans people. AFAB intersex is still open but :shrug: I have stuff to do and we seem to actually not be too far off from each other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 02:08 PM
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Oh I wasn't calling you a bot. I ask that question when I reply to an online feminist that's being aggressive or ridiculous. They might be a bot, or from India xD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 01:55 PM
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Nah. That excludes trans people and also runs into weird issues with AFAB intersex people. Is there a particular reason why you don't seem to like my suggestion?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 01:42 PM
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There's a reason I ask myself "is this a bot or someone from India" when I reply to an online feminist. What's going on there is just.... eesh. I'm very sorry they keep making even more insane anti man political decisions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 01:39 PM
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I just want to say you're okay man. I know I'm more sympathetic to the feminist label than a lot here because there is a weird grey area that I can only describe as "in denial or stubborn egalitarian." But I can't knock it. I'm the guy that wants to reclaim "progressive" away from feminists lol. I can see the same logic applied to feminism. And if someone IRL wanted to know specifically if I was a feminist I would say "yes with a big asterisk" then explain the egalitarian-and-critical-of-feminis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 04:20 AM
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It still pisses me off that no one seems to respond to "what is a woman" with the obvious answer. "Someone that earnestly believes themselves to be and acts as a woman, which is ultimately constructed by their own conceptions driven by socialization." Covers basically every edge case and closes the circular logic MAGA loves to criticize.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 04:16 AM
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I mean, that's how I got out of my shit male feminist era. Abused by a close feminist friend, then sought help. Over time I was helped to see my own personal value and the situation for what it was, and it became a lot easier to critique the ideology that drove both issues (my self hate and her weaponization of it).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 04:12 AM
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The key problem, imo, is there is a general social acceptance of doing <bad thing> to <bad person>. The problem is people can't agree on what a bad thing or person is in some cases. As you outline with feminists, they love that type of logic because they define people as "bad" when they may not be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 04:10 AM
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I'm a shit where my response to that claim is "well yeah, when any delusion is accepted, it would be more diverse." Ofc that's a snarky oversimplification. In reality I suspect what a lot of the right wing diversity stems from is "we disagree on fundamental things, but fuck those damn liberals." type social acceptance. I can't say whether that's good or bad or anything really for anyone involved. It's just some I observe in right wing spaces that I find strange.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 04:08 AM
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You just keep doubling down on incorrect things and going on rants about irrelevant stuff. It's obvious you have been hurt. It's not to invalidate you. You do that by making invalid arguments. It's to help you look inward and seek the help you need. You're logic that I'm being contradictory is just flat out insane. 1. your own numbers show most men aren't harming women and children (most means >50%). 2. The existence of a person being harmed doesn't change that. lol half of Karla's supporters ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/26 01:22 AM
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lol reports undergo absolutely zero external validation process and are not held to any standard of quality. You are wrong. Nonprofits can do research. Childlight does research. This is why I went to track their claim down to an actual primary source. "they're making the first global child sexual abuse index tracker, hence why their published stats are more comprehensive." That's not a logical conclusion. If I made the index of "Karla Kim schizo growth," would it make me immune from criticism? "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:51 PM
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If someone says something like "are you going to cry?" I say "yes" nowadays xD. They want men to be more emotional, so it's okay to cry, right? /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:37 PM
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a nonprofit report is not primary evidence. What I cited in what you replied to is what Childlight eventually points to as a primary source (they use self citation A LOT. Your second paragraph is literally just rehashing the first). That source does not provide evidence for their claims. More general searches for any version of those data comes up with nothing. It's a number 100% pulled out of their ass. Also, it's very obvious what I referenced are what she's referencing. She is using screensho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 04:43 AM
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I give it two years until we seem him in the gym xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 06:34 PM
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I realized writing my response that really, "men suck, except for you" type mentality is really a self fulfilling prophecy. When you go looking for shitty men, you find them, even where none belong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 05:07 PM
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It's hilarious how I feel a tinge of shame for breaking a continuous dataset into five groups (based on splitting the range into 5 bins) in a paper to do pairwise comparisons, meanwhile other scientists are splitting their human data groups with unequal ages that bear ZERO actual threshold value xD. Maybe I should just become THAT reviewer that actively refuses to entertain binning data unless the question is explicitly about the distribution (but that's a different beast than statistical analys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 02:41 PM
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The likelihood she weaponizes her "I hate men" framing is VERY HIGH. IMO it's the go to weapon for controlling left wing men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 02:20 PM
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First off, I do appreciate you coming here. This is, IMO, the best visible place to discuss these issues. But I will say, a lot of people do seem to be engaging with you as if you are "one of us or one of them." You are 21 and care. You are, sorry to say, naive. Some people seem to be responding very negatively to that, even if their critiques are valid. Take what good you can from it, and ignore the more mean parts. Second, to focus on you personally. IMO, you are well on your way already to bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 02:13 PM
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Not to mention how endometriosis seems to be a physical condition that basically needs cadavers or hysterectomies to study directly. Not going to see many volunteers for that. And that's fine! As you say, just the reality of medical research.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:59 PM
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Exactly. It's hard to study something that basically requires cadavers or hysterectomies to get direct observation. Some imaging and pharmacology can help, but at the end of the day, it is a difficult thing to study. And cynically, the hate about how underfunded endo is might make endo harder to study because now women with endo will be less trusting of researchers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:37 PM
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Namely being, endometriosis is an incredibly difficult condition to study. That alone hampers a lot of research
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:25 PM
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Not to mention, they are just wrong. There's orders of magnitude more studies on endometriosis than on any phrasing of male pattern baldness (like androgenic alopecia). Studies that claim NIH overfunds diseases diseases predominantly affecting men tend to do a really slick trick. They weigh the funding by "burden." There's a ton of different ways of doing this (comparing death rates, incidence rates, etc). But the thing is, with every single one of these, there's choices being made that clearly …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 11:17 PM
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"bare minimum" "just be kind" "don't be creepy" and MANY other such examples of how they say one thing but in practice it's clearly different
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/26 05:07 AM
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not to mention, the "solution" is to either kill the wish asker or the subject of it, and the wish asker choses to kill himself. I KNOW most of those feminists bitching about bear "taking the cowards way out" would do no better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 09:02 PM
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humans were made to drink and drive because the horse would drive you home after a nice night hanging out at the tavern😿
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 03:37 PM
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homebody with wanderlust FTW! It's just such a nice and peaceful life. It's frustrating to feel like I can't do it because of some external perception. OFC I've gotten over a lot of that, but it's still annoying and I hate that in order to be comfortable one must overcome the massive social stigma. It's awesome that you and your wife are in a genuine partnership. Far too few relationships are like that and it's always so heartwarming to find. I wish you all the best brother.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 03:34 PM
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I have a very long drunk rant about how the "norm that men should never be or feel safe is destroying everyone and everything." It's insane how we spend so much time talking about how women don't do all sorts of things because they don't feel safe, but if a man even dares to have a minor reservation it's the end of the goddamn world and he should grow up. It's fucking absurd. Another reason I'm so damn cynical xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 04:28 AM
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Oh you're delusional. Damn. I thought there could be some interesting dialogue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 04:25 AM
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The number of times I've said that after watching something is astounding xD. "the movie is more interesting than the writer's can achieve."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 04:24 AM
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your "I often see comments like this..." sentence is like 99% projection/assumption lol. You don't know 99% of the guys that make that comment beyond a handful of online comments. It's just a basic truth that a guy that does not care about a woman's comfort is more likely to push said woman's comfort. That can look like approaching women. Like them or not, dysfunctional or not, but passive men give some level of shit about women's comfort. They wouldn't be passive otherwise. Sure, an assertive m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 04:23 AM
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Yup. IMO the "it's the charming men they choose" is like... babies first realization xD. They need to recognize that basic reality before they start trying to understand how to actually work with that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/26 04:19 AM
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but remember, they will also say that "he should have told Nikki what he was feeling!" bc they thought she was sort of into him (or at least Sarah was), so actually it's reasonable to fall for a meek/mid guy, but he needs to be more forward...yanno, not like approaching and being forward actively selects for men that care less about what the woman thinks. It's so baffling how much contradiction there is. Especially when I sit here, look at the data, and just go "somethings not working right now,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 05:30 PM
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It's really crazy people think the wish 1. was made seriously 2. could only be interpreted in the way that it was. Hell, there's nothing that says that Bear wasn't also possessed to some degree. Crazy people are trying to draw gender conclusions when the entire catalyst is a trickster of fate, not gender. That final quote is bang on. It's the wish fulfillment that "that guy" is secretly a horrendous rapist monster. Meanwhile in reality it is overwhelmingly the charming men they choose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 05:04 PM
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It also dawned on me that nothing really confirms nor denies whether bear was also "possessed" by the wish. No reason why it couldn't be that way too. Idk, as you said, it's fiction and once people start going crazy it's impossible to draw any broader statements
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 05:00 PM
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The second I saw the main character was named "Bear" I knew it would not be nuanced. It's so on the nose and it's so easy to demonize a guy with unrequited feelings. As you say, it isn't fucking entitlement or obsession. He just wanted human connection. He jokingly made a wish that he didn't believe would come true. And ofc it's a monkey's paw that distorts the wish. That is a victim. Nikki is also a victim. If anything, the most interesting message is about fate and how it can twist potentially…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 03:25 PM
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It's honestly so depressing how flagrantly one-sided calls for "equality" are. Especially because I just do my own thing and enjoy it, so I constantly fall on the "wrong" side of these. Fuck me for loving cooking and gardening and yapping and asking before doing... I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 04:25 AM
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The most blatant quasi example is that Sally Miller Gearhart was pretty famous and well acknowledged for her usage of "swap the genders" rhetoric. She would ask "would it still be funny? would it be fair? Would this be harmless?" towards her students as a way to reframe discussions to this gender swap paradigm. She is also known for coining the term "the future is female" in her essay where she advocates for culling the world's male population to 10% of the total with "reproductive technologies"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/26 12:04 AM
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Yeah that's very true. I find that these cases of "women can harm men severely" consistently see STRONG backlash because that belief seems to undercut a lot of load bearing feminist beliefs. What I notice different from MAGA is MAGA will just deflect and attack on an unrelated thing. Feminists who do this tend to double down HARD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 01:43 PM
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Oh yeah for sure. I find it a CONSTANT battle. On one hand there's the very pervasive and harmful external stuff. But on the other hand, what an individual can do about that is limited so they should focus internally. It's a total mess. I would love to be able to fully suggest full effort onto external forces, but I also feel like that's a Sisyphean effort. At least focusing internally can resolve something haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 04:45 AM
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A trend I notice of "revenge feminism" is that they are unironically worse than the thing they are getting revenge over. It's kind of nuts how unaware of this many are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 04:42 AM
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Hilariously, Most of those roles reversed ads look damn near indistinguishable from some gender war slop I've been fed. Like the one standing on the man animal carpet? Totally have seen that before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/26 04:40 AM
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I don't necessarily see how what Melissa said is incompatible with your claim. One can honor that external forces do absolutely drive self assessments, but also push someone away from those to find internal assessments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 07:53 PM
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I think you're speaking very generally about niche things lol. Like... I had zero clue about this supposed outcry over a punisher poker chip and hell, this supposed "platner is just a smol bean" response has been very thoroughly mixed, not one sided towards defense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 07:50 PM
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I don't know. It's nonsense because those talking about parental alienation are saying "this exists and may be common" while "parental alienation is pseudo science" people argue that it just... doesn't happen. It's a basic truism. The actual question is "how common and how consequential," which you can't even talk about when one side thinks wrongly that it just doesn't happen. I'm cynical that it's all just to dismiss the growing recognition that women absolutely do wield social power to solely …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 07:36 PM
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Crenshaw: credited with creating "intersectionality" as a formal method of analysis, which is commonly used to make oppression even more of a competition that men are not oppressed. In her intersectional analyses, she consistently hang her hat on how black women are uniquely harmed by the justice system, yet did not apply the same analysis to black men (who are actually brutalized and criminalized). She's also advocated for changing a groupt to uplift black boys to include girls, yet another boy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 05:58 PM
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I send hugs man. It's hard. I can't honestly say "they are rare" or "it doesn't matter that much" because they are common and it does matter. What I can say is this. Those people suck. They are horrible. And while they will probably get all sorts of rewards for it, they also are trashy and live a life you do not want. It's good to still try and be good and right, even when others are trash.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 04:45 PM
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A part of me cynically wonders if we should co-op the "bare minimum" phrase a lot of feminists love.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 01:30 PM
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Or rocket surgeons
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/26 01:29 PM
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Graham Platner personally shot my dog and dabbed on its corpse /s It's hilarious the shit people are trying to concoct. Like what do you mean it's a "trail of lies and deceit" to... keep a tattoo as a shitty reminder and then later cover it up when it outlived its use? Why is anyone taking "420mercymain69" and her allegations seriously? Then there's digging up a (frankly correct) post from 13 years ago about "don't get blackout drunk if you worry about SA." Then there's usual "he was seeing othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 09:12 PM
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I agree. The only path forward I can give is to just do it, fuck them. It's isolating, but freeing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/26 04:02 AM
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it's actually kind of crazy how so many feminists struggle so much to understand basic incentives and selection pressures lol. There's what you outline, but then there's also dating. The dating game entirely selects for highly extroverted men that don't care about a woman's response. Boy, I sure wonder what those men end up doing to those women!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 11:20 PM
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I agree, but I think there is something to be said that men aren't really "allowed" to do as you say, step aside and process the emotion. It's almost as if any emotional expression that does not outwardly benefit the other party is demonized.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 08:31 PM
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I disagree with a fair few of your articles, but this one is fairly decent. Men aren't allowed to be angry. I wouldn't even say it's tolerated because it does lead to shaming and it does lead to avoidance from others. It's just because men are so constricted in how they can be that anger is the only emotion that breaks through the mask. And then people don't really do anything about that, thus the anger persists. Essentially, because every emotion is shamed, the one that cannot be silenced rises…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 08:23 PM
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This is my exact take on it. I'm happy fighting for it because if I can stop a single good and young man from killing himself, it's worth it. Edit: this isn't to say suicide is not an option or anything. I think medical assistance in dying is valuable. And ultimately, if someone really does want to end their life, that is their choice and I won't stop them. It's just a lot of suicides are impulsive, and I don't want those to end a good life. Hell, I somewhat joke that I won't let myself make it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 08:03 PM
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The weird combination of gay and bisexual is 100% indicative of narrative forming lol. They didn't like the story that told so they coarsened their data. Also, that's crazy het men experienced more image based abuse than het women. A great stat to have in the back pocket.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:59 PM
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Yeah. I love fully autonomous and great women. Easily the best people in my life are like that. But a llloooooottttt of people I've encountered do not want that nor fit it. It sucks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:56 PM
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We are wanted... primarily for more status, money, "excitement" etc.... not for companionship or love or shared life lol. OFC exceptions exist, but many it's nuts how common it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:48 PM
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which shyness, weirdness, and introvertedness, are generally seen as cute in women. The same men are considered pedophiles and/or creeps/rapists. Yet male autistics are coddled lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:22 PM
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misandry and patriarchy are indistinguishable in function. The only difference is one implicitly blames men for the hate of men, rather than just calling it hate against men (regardless of source).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:21 PM
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it's also so flagrantly untrue xD. Here's a short list of things that make them "unique" in the eyes of UCLA Social Motivation More likely to seek friendships and engage socially than autistic men. Internalized Symptoms Often experience anxiety or depression rather than external behavioral issues. Camouflaging Use learned behaviors to hide their autism, making diagnosis more difficult. So... what makes them unique is that they... can seek social support? really undermines how much harder they su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:18 PM
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They are being sarcastic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:16 PM
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You define leftism solely based on adherence to feminist belief. That is a definition of leftism that is dogshit. "oh yeah you can be an anarcho communist environmentalist egalitarian and not be leftist because you aren't a feminist" is deranged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:11 PM
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your same sources show around 1000 men in the US are killed by female intimate partners and around 1600 women are killed by male intimate partners. The only reason there is a large disparity is because y'all hide behind conditionals without accounting for the fact men are murdered more overall. This only becomes even more true when it comes to IPV (much more common than homicide) because IPV related crimes are often 1. selectively defined to exclude male victims of female perpetrators 2. societa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/26 07:08 PM
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that's certainly the normal use xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:05 PM
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It's just under certain "anti-woke" conversations there's a thread of conservative rhetoric that's very "they are just making excuses." That's why I say that it "could" be one because maybe it isn't, but maybe it is. But like I said, they are invoking a lot of OG nihilism like Dostoevsky and Max Stirnir, so maybe it's just that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/26 01:03 PM
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I'm using 'L'iberal to denote the form of belief/government that is centered around a more capitalist framework. 'l'iberal is what we consider "the left" in the US. John Locke is credited as the founder of 'L'iberalism. A lot of center UK politicians and the US "moderate" left are "left wing" flavors of Liberalism. Then there's "NeoLiberal" which is a specific flavor of Liberalism that is very pro-capitalism. It describes both 'l'iberals and conservatives like Schumer, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 09:19 PM
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I'm a shit because my response is "nah, we're actually more left wing than the modern US left because we are actually egalitarian" but that's just because I want to reclaim the territory haha. But I do see what you mean that the anti-feminism can come off as very Not-Left, just because feminism has such a stranglehold on the left. But, it's very easy to argue that this is leftism because pro universal healthcare, pro egalitarian social justice, anti-Liberal, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 08:24 PM
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This is probably one of the few subreddits where "be progressive, but don't be feminist" is a completely accepted position. I've really struggled with feeling boxed in with my perspective and a social network that hates it, this space has been a welcome space to blow off some steam.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 03:50 AM
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>"having to fight a reality that is custom made to put you down is an exercise in futility" The album "exercises in futility" by Mgla is quite an album on that cruel shit. They're a little sus (one of the band members kind of worked closely with a black metal nazi, and their most recent album makes one squint because it could be a conservative dogwhistle. However they are just exceedingly nihilistic to where they sort of invoke Russian nihilists. Sail the seas if it's sufficiently sketch for you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 03:44 AM
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I like to say that "boys are discriminated against at every level of education. Education is one of the strongest predictors of earnings and lifetime satisfaction."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 12:35 AM
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"sometimes you just fail" is a line wayyyyyy too few acknowledge as true and normal lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:32 PM
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What is the relevance of your comment to mine?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 08:31 PM
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a lot of these data sets have "other intimate relationship" that includes those types of odd cases. Needless to say, more men are murdered than women when that's added on
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 04:58 PM
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I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the loud voices on that sub are abusers trying to convince themselves they weren't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 04:52 PM
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Community approved fucking only!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 04:20 PM
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God that song and the whole book it's based on are also ripe for great lines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 01:52 AM
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They are. It's total projection on their part.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/26 01:50 AM
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The range is people just generally don't know what to say, but then make no effort to tolerate it or show up/support, all the way to actively screaming at me about how I'm trying to justify abuse/undermine how women are abused etc etc all because I mentioned I was abused by someone who happened to be a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 10:21 PM
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I like describing the emotional vulnerability a lot of those types of women want as "He needs to vaguely refer to a horrible moment in the past, but be over it now or vaguely allude to deeper feelings. They don't want a man to express those deeper feelings."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 10:17 PM
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There's lot of different ones, but here's two notable examples. With one girl I was really close to, I shared a lot of things about my life that at the time she supported me on. This helped me feel safe. Over time I would tell her some things if it really bothered me. Over time she started expressing worsening annoyance. Then eventually she'd start blowing up, saying she can't do "emotional labor" for me. I gave up on telling her things. But then we had a huge fight and she threw every single vu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 10:11 PM
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I've gotta say, I've borrowed a lot of the lyrics from Metallica's "Disoposable Heroes" because there's some bangers that apply for men. Also, the "men do all the war crimes" claim is so silly given that the IDF exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/26 10:05 PM
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My memory is that it's not more, but it's really close (the number 1000 to 1600 is in my head right now). But I also remember that when "other intimate relationship" was included (so this is murder from BF's, exes, etc) with intimate partner homicide more men were murdered. And yeah, men are murdered by strangers waaayyyyy more. The message is still the same, "femicide" and related narratives are severely over emphasized
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/26 03:36 AM
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I haven't saved the paper but it is a paper looking at general surgery outcomes by the gender of surgeon and gender of patient. It found a very very marginal statistically significant result. And funniest thing I remember is there's been a few response papers to it calling out how they didn't control for patient acuity, which would likely reduce outcomes and would likely go to the older population of surgeons, the men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 05:48 PM
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"iTs TrAnSMiSoGYnY" and what makes up transmisogyny, Jan? Why do TERFs whine so much about how dangerous trans women are (because they're male)?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 04:09 PM
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"white supremacy hurts white people because it causes white people to prioritize their racial in-group instead of having class-consciousness" is technically true, but is so macroscopic that I think we're talking about a different thing. Compare that to say, being actively enslaved or discriminated against. I guess that puts the onus on us to clarify those distinctions a bit more.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 03:20 PM
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So "patriarchy hurts men too" has been a thing in academic and more niche circles of feminism for quite a long time. But I'd say it got its start in the mainstream with bell hooks, has built up, then hit a flashpoint in the last few years. I think it's because of what you outline, which is a very obvious tide turning against them and they don't want to lose the power that comes with dodging all criticism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 03:18 PM
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I've been trying to think of a term that basically describes "the system is power first, gender second" because oligarchy is too power first and patriarchy/matriarchy is too gender first.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 03:16 PM
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Recently I had an infuriating interaction where a person made a vague "all these issues come from the same root" comment, so I asked. They ofc said patriarchy.... It was baffling how despite a wall of places where "patriarchy" doesn't explain the world and substituting the root for the obvious one (power), all she said was "you just don't understand patriarchy. Power isn't the root." so stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 03:14 PM
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Not to mention the absolutely unreal gish gallop. Sucks that he only debates people too stupid to call him on it (like a certain someone else he very notably cried over in support of)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 02:04 PM
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I have to comment on the statement that female surgeons give you a significantly better chance of positive post-op outcomes and reduced chance of post-op complications. I hate this is strictly statistically speaking technically true, but because of the context only people in the know can call it out. Because yes, a study came out that showed these outcomes and had a statistically significant result. So what was the actual difference? less than 0.1% difference. That is not significant in the ever…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 02:01 PM
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SImilar experience here. With a psychiatrist I got put on meds that radically improved my mood and sleep, and built a consistent framework for setting and responding to my own expectations which mitigated most of my issues. I like my psychologist therapist, he's a good dude and he's helped, especially because he does sort of take on more of a "coach" role than a strictly psychology role. But I cannot say I have radically changed because of him like I could the psychiatrist haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 01:56 PM
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I have dealt with a lot of black and grizzly bears. They really aren't that bad. But with bears, they operate on respect. Don't do anything outwardly scared and don't do anything outwardly up front. Acknowledge, assert, and they tend to move along. Honestly, that says more about how we should handle "scary man/bear/pig" than any of the discourse on dealing with the fear of men. Acknowledge, exercise caution, but also don't do anything rash or sudden. I still would choose any human over a bear be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 04:14 AM
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My favorite thing is that a lot of feminists will play semantic games about what feminism and patriarchy actually are until the cows come home, but if you call them out on how they flatten everything to "man bad," oh suddenly that's too much to ask for!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/26 12:36 AM
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yup and yeah haha. No I'm not her BF now. I'm also friends with her BF (not me). I realize that it is one of those weird "and" cases haha. and they they're a good couple. Her BF dealt a lot with an abusive relationship so it's nice that he is with her and her with him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 10:04 PM
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This case was more gaslighting sexual harassment, claiming I was harassing/stalking her when I wasn't. But its the same emotional charge of "sexual deviancy". And yes, she's awesome. I'm good friends with her and her BF still.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 09:01 PM
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god if this isn't my daily ritual xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 08:03 PM
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I agree. Like the rules and expectations around sex are so antiquated but also so new in various different aspects that "just feel like you can say no" isn't the one size fits all solution for anyone, let alone men. And like, I'd LOVE to tell men to please stop pedestalizing women in any and all aspects. A female partner is nice value added, not a must, not a need, not a battle, not a chore, just someone you like spending time with and likes spending time with you. But what comes with that advic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:56 PM
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I will always remember a friend of mine (thankfully a woman that got it) just stare at me dumbfounded and went "you were literally gaslit. Not in the therapy speak sense, the real gaslighting sense." And I was so completely oblivious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:52 PM
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The problem is "I don not matter to these people that say they hate men" only works for a limited time because at some point he will meet an important woman that absolutely unjustly applies it to him, then that cope falls apart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:30 PM
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Nope, race is not unrelated. It isn't black women getting accused of raping and murdering whites. It isn't muslim women getting accused of being terrorists. Almost like the issue with racism, more often than not, manifests as hating men first, race second. Also, no one here is arguing against caution off of negative experiences. We're arguing against brandishing the fear, turning caution into malice, and overall bleeding onto others. The second a heuristic is turned into ideology is when it shou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:28 PM
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So there is an overt community called T[slur] maxxers where they deliberately transition to avoid "being seen as a man." But I do wonder about that grey area of more gender nonconformist men who just thought the wide net of "woman" made them a woman. And I can't blame them. I could change nothing about my interests and behavior, but if I were a woman, life would be exponentially better because I am not "one of the men." I do not remotely fit what most women actually look for in partners. I do no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:23 PM
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I have recently taken to unashamed defense for men. Women do it for each other, so I'll do it with men. They are my brothers. I don't care if their a looksmaxxer or red piller or whatever. They a human being damnit that needs to be advocated for, even if I hate their solutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:20 PM
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A funny thing is once expectations lower enough, it sort of becomes indistinguishable from misanthropy. Where instead of seeing people as... well... people... you see them in the way you see your dog, just a being that you can feel a certain way about, for better and worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:18 PM
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The Serenity Prayer God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference... I'm atheist, but this is a mantra I use to ground myself. It's so vital for handling the modern world
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:15 PM
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To put it very dismissively, it's made the fuck up. There is no research of any sort into motive that remotely shows murders/tortures because they were a woman besides a handful of high profile rare cases. To put it less dismissively. There are a lot of low grade pain points women experience. Some experience harsher pain points like SA. Then they see stats about how - conditional on a woman being murdered - it is more likely they were murdered by an intimate partner (reason unspecified) than mur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:12 PM
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Similar boat here. I did recently try to get a post on here about "absurdism as a way for men to live" but it wasn't allowed for a handful of fair reasons. But in the comments I can spread the good word in short bites xD. But really yeah. It's a coping mechanism that boils down to "hold exceptionally low expectations and come out pleasantly surprised." Because people suck. They really do. But some are great, and that's who I live for. I love interacting with those people. But everyone else? end …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:08 PM
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Not to mention, they would never dare to allow men the same excuse. A man beaten and raped by his mother that says he is scared of women? Misogynist incel. Woman raped by her dad who says men should be culled to 10% of the population? Poor wittle baby victim. I specifically tell these types of feminists "no one has a problem with caution. It's when you caution turns to hate and bleeds onto others that people dislike."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:04 PM
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Also the comment on "you need to take better control of your narrative" is so fucking rich. That is LITERALLY WHY WOMEN ARE HARMED SO OFTEN. It's from men that are forced to construct their own narrative with no incentives or guardrails to follow through. That's why so few shitty men think they are shitty. They've convinced themselves they aren't the shitty one. Men like the OOP are exactly who we WANT TO SUPPORT AND VALIDATE because THEY GIVE A SHIT.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 07:01 PM
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I personally take a Merisault like absurdist approach (with modern sensibilities). It's nihilistic. Nothing has meaning. It is in fact actively contradictory and paradoxical. But eh... I live today, I lived yesterday, I live tomorrow. It's not romantic. It's not rosy. It sometimes really sucks. But, anything to not be like that 19 yr old boy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 06:57 PM
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I more so mean that a lot of women, at the individual level, hold extensive contradictory beliefs that expecting anything but is a bad road to go down. And when those contradictions manifest into their validation of you, it can get really bad if you rely on it. Although given I advocate for men, that is also contradictory to many women's validation xD. I've seriously considered helping in some sort of mentorship program for boys/men. Because you're right, there's very little cross generation hel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 02:08 PM
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I think this hit a funny chord with me because I'm a guy who is simultaneous very clean but very dirty because my line for "disgust" is purely at what causes direct physical revulsion and what is dangerous. Dust? who cares. dirt? whatever. Pile of clothes? eh. But a smell that reaches a certain threshold? A level of grime that gets very blegh? Gone. Destroy it. So your discussion on dirt, disgust, and how "dirt isn't dangerous" hits a note in me as someone that holds that exact view, yet feels l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/26 04:44 AM
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Yes you are xD I knew you'd pipe in quick.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 11:44 PM
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xD I'm stealing that one anytime someone talks about representation in media. "I don't know, I haven't seen massive armies of women being bludgeoned to death or vaporized by weapons. That representation matters too."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 07:12 PM
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A worthwhile commentary on how the index is bullshit https://socialsommentary.substack.com/p/designed-to-discriminate-how-the And a study that, regardless of your opinion on their assumption behind "equality", it does clearly outline why exactly the UN's index is a bullshit measure specifically for "gender equality" https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205349
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 07:10 PM
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I've been trying to think of a rebuttal to that type of "if it doesn't apply let it fly" logic but your's is perfect. That's it's use. It's for things that very clearly and specifically are not meant for you. It is not for vague gesturing that may or may not include you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 06:41 PM
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I do wonder why there's a very strong feminist desire to take fiction as documentaries. Maybe it's the same train of thought as *person A makes population level statement* *feminist responds with anecdote*.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 02:14 PM
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I personally indulge in some absurdism beliefs haha. That female validation is so inherently contradictory and difficult to predict that one should just accept it, move forward with their own interests/goals etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 02:10 PM
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Agreed. I saw a bit of mocking of those identifying with the Joker or things like that, and a handful went as far to call it incel. But that was fairly niche. Meanwhile this shit is just.... everywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 03:54 AM
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If the socially awkward or emotionally desperate man is one bad day away from becoming a psychopath.... Let's just say humans would probably not get past the stone age. The desire to pathologize lonely men does infinitely more to communicate "don't share your emotions, don't be vulnerable, be a provider" than all redpill content combined. I fucking hate how all media is just engagement farming. It's all to just dunk and circle jerk. I dread the day for when an actually good movie on male lonelin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/26 03:53 AM
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I can't find the source right now, but I vaguely remember a year or two ago the UK reported one case of a "femicide" over a rejection. One.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/26 04:23 AM
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That, IMO, is the key issue. It's not that third spaces don't exist, it's that people at third spaces don't want to meet people. I think the internet is almost entirely to blame for that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 10:54 PM
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the study literally filters for men that have had sex in the last year or two lol. It also filters to young men. The sample size is surprisingly large (nearly 4k across 3 countries), but it is still a different population than "men." On top of that, some of the questions are so vague to the point of just being a truism, and ofc those are used in the 95% figure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:46 PM
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Exactly. The easiest solution is to ask the same survey questions, but splitting it out by coercion and convincing with definitions at the top. That will split out a lot of the nuance of "I did this to convince someone" vs "I did this to coerce someone."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:42 PM
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I strongly remember my mom screaming at me for how misogynistic I was (I pushed back a tiny bit against her) and I remember how when she found out I was watching porn how she wanted to instantly institutionalize me. Then anytime I felt any romantic feelings towards a woman she would get just fucking weird about it. Way too nosy and distrustful. I don't think she was full blown narcissist. But she had some really harmful beliefs and behaviors that have probably irreparably fucked me up. Like I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:37 PM
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With that one I like to say "black women weren't getting falsely accused of raping/beating/killing white people."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 04:34 PM
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Oh yeah there is that. I internally debate on how to present those uncomfortable truths about IPV and rape vs made to penetrate, largely because they are so load bearing to a lot of modern feminist discourse that it can become VERY contentious very quickly. I could see not drawing attention to those facts, but using careful language to say it. So maybe instead of SA you can say "being forcefully penetrated" or a snappier version of that. Because yeah, being forcefully penetrated is rarer against…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 05:11 AM
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- fear the men you choose more than you fear the everyman. - Men have more reason to be afraid of basically every violent crime (besides SA), yet feel significantly less fear because they are all rare events. - A therapist would teach you that all you can control is yourself, so do that, for your safety and sanity. - There will always be risk to living, especially when the risk has little to do with your behavior. Everyone can improve their lives by learning how to cope with and mitigate fear. -…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 03:54 AM
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If every man and enby affected with this “loneliness epidemic isn’t enough” did these TERFs and so-called progressive women a favour and killed ourselves it would leave a world entirely filled with men like Trump, Farage, and MAGA and Reform voters. Have fun. But even then it would still be our fault – “cowards who did what we wanted them to and abandoned us with these violent troglodytes”, “why have all the good people we spent decades calling inhuman scum gone?”, “how dare they kill themselves…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 03:30 AM
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having sex in private too is rape now
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 12:53 AM
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Their claim is so far from the actual study, and the study itself is shitty enough, it's not even worth more than a one sentence response. Their primary question was about a woman that initially did not want sex or acted like they did not want sex. Some of the questions are great like "had sex in a private place" and "asked multiple times" which can be interpreted in any number of ways. Their sample was of very sexually active young men, not "men."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 12:52 AM
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I don't want to be that guy, but I can't help but think all of it is self-denial that a lot of these women are atrocious at judging character and they get hurt for it. They cannot comprehend that the lonely single men are literally The Population Not Hurting Them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 12:36 AM
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I honestly don't even mind if it is just caution being shared. But they go further to spread active and malicious fear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 12:18 AM
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There is a very compelling story waiting to be told about how "the personal is political" exists politically in such a one sided manner.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/26 12:16 AM
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"so even the good men must cater to my needs to compensate or be hyper vigilant of their own behavior". This is what I think a large part of it is. It's a tacit acknowledgement that the men in their lives are good, but yet the men should still "be better," all to her benefit. I've recently taken to calling out the "emotional porn" that a lot of those types of feminist women like. This idea that it's good and desirable for men to kowtow to their every whim and wish otherwise they are a bad man. T…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 05:11 PM
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Legendary. This got me to double check some things and I did find in their 2024 pages, they cite this for their offending statistics. It doesn't actually provide results, ofc, but it has many of the same authors as your citation so your paper is likely where the actual results are posted. Good find. Needless to say, the 14 million claim is fucking absurd. Thank you for also making a proper response to the claim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/26 04:49 PM
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Theories of labor would be an interesting topic to apply to modern day discourse on "emotional labor." Because on one hand, I can see the argument that men are the equivalent to the "bourgeoisie" (they'd be wrong, but I can see that argument) and thus exploiting that labor, but then there's the solution aspect which is to have communal labor free from exploitation. That is often times not what a lot of the "emotional labor" feminists advocate for
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/26 08:38 PM
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A fun way to see "the future is female" is it the feminist 1488.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/26 02:30 PM
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Similar here. I applied for a job that was literally the job I was already doing, just for a different group. I was 100% fully qualified. I didn't even get an interview. The job was filled by a woman. Can't prove anything, but there's enough there to be suspicious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/26 04:08 AM
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Oh yeah I'm not saying "every/most/many trans people are like this" It's a more a vague curiosity about how prevalent it may be. And I personally don't have anything against transmaxxers. Like you said, it is a justified reaction. It's just they are very overt about transitioning in order to reap those benefits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 06:09 PM
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Yup, it's easy to hide rejection sensitivity when you don't have to put yourself in the position to be rejected, let alone in really vile ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 03:57 PM
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I was so so so lucky I was smart enough to where I unintentionally had leverage over people. It saved me from a lot of the shit off/weird boys get. I am acutely aware of how lucky that was. I never did get love, but I attribute more of that to being non-religious in a very religious and borderline incestuous city. I do really regret not trying to maintain a friendship with this one alt girl I was friends with in homeroom. She seemed to "get" me at a lot of levels. I don't really know why I wrote…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 03:51 PM
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Where I grew up I described this phenomenon of "Not competent/attractive enough to get attention, not dysfunctional enough to get pity" because with what I saw, primarily aimed at men, but sort of women, was that dysfunctional special needs kids would get pity. People would be weird around them, but they'd be cognizant and accomodating to some degree. Then ofc there's the "competent hot person gets everything" you get everywhere else. But that middle ground is where the harm was directed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 03:47 PM
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I second this. Jumping to a biological component is a bit premature. From my understanding, hantavirus tends to spread in rural sort of grimy conditions. Considering men are more likely to be farmers, rural laborers, etc it's very possible the gender difference is solely because of that. But it's still very hard to say. Imo the best use for this type of data is to 1. recognize the difference in incidence, regardless of cause, and work to identify hantavirus cases better 2. sponsor further resear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 01:29 PM
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It is truly such a shitty position to be in. I'm glad you've managed to find a way out. It was so crazy going into therapy with what was basically confessionals to how evil I was and having the response be confusion on how I was the problem xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 01:22 PM
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I'm in a similar boat. It's not my place really to ask about this or anything. But internally I just wonder how much of it happens. It doesn't help that there is the very overt [slur]maxxers that make it part of their identity. I largely ask this because I've considered if I'm trans at a few points in my life and every time it's very quick "no, I love being a man, I don't like being treated like a man." Because yeah, the grass does look greener "on the other side." But I'd feel like shit because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:08 AM
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I guess I sort of tried to get at that with "sometimes they have a point" but yeah, more emphasis should be placed on "still caring, just having a hard line at hate."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/26 04:05 AM
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I'm also pretty sure this fake notion comes from the handful of times an autistic man is accused of some impropriety and people (often times justifiably) say "he is autistic and these are very clearly mixed and unclear signals so ofc he doesn't hit the mark perfectly." This gets confused as "coddling" because they see it as 100% defense of the accused, which is a total projection. A clear example of this was with the Youtuber Chuggaaconroy. Chugga is a pretty obvious autistic man and has shared …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 04:38 PM
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exactly. I've seen the depths of right wing hate and incel hate. The crazy right wing fascists are similar to feminists, and incels aren't even close to as bad. Incels are fucking moderate lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 02:14 PM
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The greatest thing I did for my mental health was to treat feminists like crazy schizo right wingers on Ifunny. Sometimes they have a point, some of them are so notorious you just point and jeer, and most you just ignore as shit in the dirt. For most of my teens into early 20's I was the definition of "self-hating feminist man that apologizes for existing" and this was not helped by being an abusive friendship that actively fed those thoughts and manipulated the relationship so I became emotiona…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/26 02:12 PM
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"top begin my research" -person who hasn't done research for a moment in their life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/26 11:46 PM
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If she keeps that up, totally worth reporting her to her employer, and if she's licensed (good ones should be) her licensing board.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/26 03:36 AM
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Good for you man. You've got this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 11:03 PM
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That's fair. Catherine is a clear example
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 01:38 PM
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ironically, one of the most useful therapy sessions of my life was when a therapist basically said "look, you come in here and you look and talk exactly like the battered women I see come in here. That really should help put how much you were hurt into context." Bro worked his way to actually engaging meaningfully whilst coming from a woman centered perspective, all because he actually gave a shit to be empathetic and engage with the problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 04:34 AM
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Thankfully my current therapist has been slowly been naturally working towards that role. The actual biggest problem is I killed the need for external validation whilst being very acutely aware of how important external validation is for say, getting a partner. So even if I'm given specific advice on ways to be perceived mroe positively, I'll half ass it and not really care because I just don't care to do it xD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 04:32 AM
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I shockingly haven't seen that one. Usually when I just point to queen victoria they bail or deflect to an absurd degree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 04:29 AM
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unironically, a lot of US indigenous cultures are matrilineal. Many get heralded as "matriarchy." But they are the same prison for men. This manifests into a strong bias against missing boys. There's also this strong implication that the boys are killing themselves while the women are being trafficked. Ofc, no one really knows for sure. And frankly, it doesn't matter. An insane amount of indigenous men go missing and they don't get huge "missing and murdered indigenous ..." campaigns and governm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/26 04:27 AM
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It is sad seeing how many women friends you can lose the moment you start expecting a level of care and consideration that mildly inconveniences them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 07:44 PM
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I sort of concur. For a long time my critical issues were basically just me having expectations that... while weren't really crazy, were too high for being an odd man, and wrestling with that unfairness was rough. Therapy helped a lot in calming that down. But nowadays, my issues are basically "I try dating and these women aren't interested," and "sometimes I day dream a bit too much about this one girl I really wanted to get to know better" which like... the first is entirely out of my control …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 07:42 PM
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look at their comment history. It's very clearly a teen with axes to grind. Feel free to engage, but that info might help in that effort.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 01:37 PM
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For a shitty non-citable example (xD) I have a friend that this perfectly describes. This guy is very smart, self aware, but a bit of an idiot when it comes to women (for reference, this man seems to have a strong preference for openly manipulative women, like Lucia from white lotus). He openly admits to wanting to have majored in gender studies instead of sociology (potato potato but I digress) but he also fully acknowledges that as he was writing papers for classes and a capstone he would basi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 01:31 PM
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as someone that grew up in Utah as a non-mormon, ex mormons are always interesting xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/26 01:24 PM
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Another comment clicked on a relevant memory that could be additive. I've told the story before but this is a good spot for it. Essentially, throughout HS, and undergrad, (I stopped caring in grad school so idk about that one), I strongly suspect I was discriminated against for valedictorian. In each of those I was straight A, 4.0, and very ahead of the curve when it came to classes/credits. In high school, another had a 4.0, but she had fewer credits (albeit a higher SAT). In undergrad, we had …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 11:16 PM
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I agree. We honestly are pretty vital for presenting an alternative to "The Left TM."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 10:52 PM
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A nice to read paper. The journal is a little sketchy to me. It does a lot to make itself strong and the like, but some real dogshit has been published on it and given its gimmick, that's really bad. But that's the journal, not the paper, it's only context. The paper is overall well done. It tackles the disagreements and issues in a really tactful and thorough way, and their adversarial study design (technically a separate paper) is great. I honestly don't have a lot to say that hasn't already b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 07:13 PM
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especially when it goes undefined, as she did in the video lol. There may genuinely be something wrong with her.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/26 04:43 AM
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One thing I've learned is that sociology seems to prime its students for working backwards from a conclusion. I've known a lot of sociology students and most of them argue in the same type of way. There seems to be no repercussion for treating opposing viewpoints without an ounce of respect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 09:24 PM
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Ooooooo time to put on the stats hat. She doesn't provide jack shit for sources, which is a great start. Right off the bat she's just running down this article by the Global Child Safety Institute (CHILDLIGHT). The 2024 report is unavailable and I have no interest in tracking down a copy. Reading the 2025 technical notes, I'm uncertain of how they make ANY claims about perpetrators, especially about CSAM, because those methods are only concerned with report volume and severity. She asserts "100%…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 06:45 PM
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I've built up similar. I frankly cannot allow myself not to aid men whenever I can when many women gladly do it to harm men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 05:27 PM
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There's a reason I now consider these men traitors. It's nothing but actively harming everyone under the guise of "help." The comments under that video are... holy. The general sentiment that true crime is not sensationalized is insane. Of fucking course true crime only talks about women. People only care about women. >"Women are getting killed by husbands, boyfriends, exes, baby daddies, sons, fathers, brothers, cousins, friends, acquaintances, coworkers, strangers, stalkers, and serial killers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 02:58 PM
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It's hilariously ironic that so many feminists have this expectation that men should solve all their problems while at the same time railing against gender roles and the lack of agency of women. They want the privilege of having agency, but never needing to exercise it. edit: I spent some time thinking of an analogy for that last sentence. It's like a board member that INSISTS on having veto power. It is a requirement to have veto power for every decision, yet they never exercise it bc the point…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 04:58 AM
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I hate the framing of "men could subjugate women if they so desired" from a lot of angles, but I can't deny that... yeah... women have benefitted a TON from the cooperation of men. And they still benefit a ton from male allies. Allies isn't even the correct word, that implies reciprocity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 04:54 AM
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I don't want to look it up, but I wonder what shit she said about heated rivalry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 04:47 AM
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My head cannon is that she was cast with a wink wink among the casting directors because she'd just have to play herself
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/26 04:46 AM
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Most likely it's something like that. It's shoving individuals into a homogeneous group of "oppressed." Very dehumanizing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 08:44 PM
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You don't understand. Women are so stupid and taken so unseriously by the patriarchy that they can have unfettered access to to their children for at least 15 years yet hold zero influence over them /s More seriously, I find it crazy how so many feminists don't realize their arguments have that glaring hole. Women are the primary influence and child carer but somehow don't socialize their children in any way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 08:12 PM
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For reference, I was a very naive 19 year old when it came to these dynamics and even I went "what the fuck dude? no we're done here" to a guy making a "oh I see why you couldn't talk with us" comment about a girl I was friends with. Sure, different upbringings lead to different histories, but sheesh, hunvadam is self reporting and seems to not really acknowledge the shame in that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:32 PM
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yup. Hell, her good place character is more tolerable... because the writers forced a degree of positive change xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:28 PM
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Spoilers for season 1 and a little of S2 of The Good Place Her character in the good place was sent to the bad place for doing all of her advocacy and stuff solely for social gain and to outdo her sister. Funny how her real life persona is not too far off from that. "I'm not calling you out. I'm not even calling you in. I'm calling you up..." is such "I'm deep and this is 14" shit lol. "We LOVE [gay] men" Holy fuck that's.... wow. How can anyone who is remotely conscientious write that or remote…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:25 PM
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I send you and your kids hugs. If you ever need to talk, you've got at least my support
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:46 AM
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oh god the "crisis at night" tactic is.... uugggghhhh. some of my most stressful memories are of those.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/26 03:41 AM
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yeah it only works for conditional probabilities and only for less conditioned probabilities
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 11:05 PM
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I second this, but I want to say that one issue with that litmus is the person soliciting sex is now in a position to unilaterally decide if that is what's occuring. This then leads to pressuring into sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 03:13 PM
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Interestingly, the physiological response of men that have been raped are basically the same as women. It's the psychological that's different. I think a lot of that is coming from socialization
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 03:09 PM
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I wouldn't, but most people would.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 03:06 PM
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I think we have the same thoughts but are just choosing different labels. Because to me, I don't necessarily see it as "too little masculinity" and more so "naivety about oneself." I see it more as "we want people to be self actualized, to advocate for themselves, and to keep themselves safe, regardless of what we call it." And to me, that's more "being a well developed human" rather than masculinity. Just thought I'd add a side opinion on that so people can pick the pieces they like to get to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 03:03 PM
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My pleasure man. Part of the problem for me, as a left-wing man in that scenario, was not just recognising the harmful behaviours of my abuser (which I did feel on a gut level) but being able to conceptualise and verbalise what was happening, even just to myself within my own mind, because of the political dynamics. Same. In my case, I knew something felt wrong. I was miserable and anxious and scared, but I consistently blame it on myself because that was all I knew and felt comfortable with. Wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/26 02:38 PM
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Welcome man. I really really do appreciate you posting this. I also send you virtual hugs. Your situation is similar to something I had in undergrad, and I know how much it hurts. I'm so sorry that it all happened and that the aftermath is confusing and not all that positive. I can't say when or how it will get easier, but in time things will change, maybe for better or worse. One thing that's helped me a lot is to make my purpose in life "live." I don't rigorously define that. I just do what I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 11:27 PM
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Damn, if it just marketed towards women, yeah whatever. Let the suckers give them money. It's not my problem. But going as far to diagnose a man with narcissism ON TOP of accusing them of being a criminal is so unnecessary and fucked up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 07:14 PM
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"when I'm around men or boys, they openly state how rape allegations against them are fake" Is that what they actually said? How many said this? Same question applied to each piece you mentioned. "sexually abused by police officers and that never being talked about, EVER" That's just flagrantly false. It's a problem, but it is talked about as a major problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 03:36 AM
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I've heard the explicit term "patriarchal feminism" that has been very useful in calling those types of things up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 03:31 AM
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... Are you sure about that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 11:47 PM
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Inequality in Suicide lethality, both across methods, but within methods Merg et al Men choose more violent methods, but also are more lethal for the same methods Tak Kim et al Men choose more violent methods, but also are more lethal for the same methods experiences in domestic/sexual violence, inequalities, myths etc. Hines and Malley-Morrison call for more research into the equivalent suffering of male victims Dixon et al many men experience abuse, largely from coercive control and misunderst…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 06:12 PM
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Yup. You would think. But alas, it makes them feel in group support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 02:07 PM
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also dubious to claim haha. Just because someone wasn't formally diagnosed as depressed doesn't mean their suicide was "impulsive." Yeah we definitely can't bring up that some are cries for help. I understand when that is used to dismiss someone, but imo, it's valid to acknowledge and we should help them. There isn't anything inherently wrong with doing something drastic as a result of extreme anguish to get attention or help. What matters are the details. But nah, we can't acknowledge that in a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 04:25 AM
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Exactly. They likely pick more violent methods because they have stronger intent to die. In addition, when you control for method, men are still more likely to die The overall gender difference in lethality of suicidal behaviour was explained by males choosing more lethal suicide methods (odds ratio (OR) = 2.03; 95% CI = 1.65 to 2.50; p < 0.000001) and additionally, but to a lesser degree, by a higher lethality of suicidal acts for males even within the same method (OR = 1.64; 95% CI = 1.32 to 2…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/26 03:57 AM
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I know I've had to make hard limits on my "content" consumption. I basically only allow myself fun youtube and less than an hour of all of other social media a day
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 11:30 PM
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The number of women I've heard open up about their suicide attempts and it's "I took two more pills than I was prescribed," for a high overhead medication. They aren't downing a bottle of wellbutrin... I don't want to say whether that is or not an attempt, but what I will say is that the severity is quite different than what a guy would think of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 11:28 PM
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then they accuse you of making it a competition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 11:24 PM
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One of the discussion posts was basically saying "if we show high circumcision in colors like red and low circumcision in calmer colors, it might communicate nations like russia, cuba, and venuzuela are good countries." It is... strange.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:56 PM
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that comes up in the discussions around the maps... albeit in uh... very strange ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 04:55 PM
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Yeah it's not sequential. The colors don't have a clear language to them. The easiest solution is just a monochrome scale.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:19 AM
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Homie, I'm in a similar camp as you, but I am not going to judge others for what they feel matters more to them, especially when they have a valid argument that I just don't personally identify with. Just go "huh, they care a lot about this, anyway" and move on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:18 AM
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The discussions arguing for those figures are hilarious. SSOOOOO many extremely strange people making extremely strange decisions. If you want a story of "circumcision = blood = pain = bad" then the original red and blue. If you REALLY want unbaised colors, monochrome it. It's not fucking difficult lol. We don't need these horrendously colorblind unfriendly and opposite world figures (one literally had a red and green map where green was high circumcision), nor do we need these insanely non info…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 02:16 AM
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That's genuinely the best way of handling it xD Readibility is like... number 1 concern in a lot of those discussions
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 01:56 AM
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I won't track down that study to find out, but I will say that general "profession" classifications will always be somewhat noisy. Building such a coding balances the ability to discriminate without being overwhelming and unusable. And no one will ask all the detailed questions to get at profession effort, even if that would probably be more consistent than profession classes. Always a tradeoff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 01:49 AM
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I was more so saying what the actual logic of red meat eating is across the population. So is it because of false beliefs of estrogen in tofu? Is it a desire for strength, which they believe red meat achieves best? Is it to channel their inner lion? etc. The underlying mechanisms rather than vague gesturing at masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/26 01:41 AM
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yeah they are same activity. The study did use a broad "profession" covariate that sort of controls for that, but their activity controls are weak overall.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 06:46 PM
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I do wonder what the reality is in regards to the "red meat consumption from masculinity" thing. There's a lot of open questions there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 06:43 PM
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That's fair. I really needed to add a "I believe." from my understanding as I've double checked this is that it's probably the average weight of each sex. But lean muscle mass does increase metabolic rate, so higher calorie needs, so men do still generally have a higher need and that's sort of a part of the higher calorie need. It's a bit messy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 06:04 PM
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So I'll engage on this paper without touching external things (such as important carbon contributors that aren't studied, such as online shopping, cosmetics, sports, etc). The statistics are generally well done (AFAIK) except for one key omission, weight. Their caloric adjustment is based on consumption, not on consumption/demand(weight). They point to the ANES suggestion for men to eat 20% more calories, but that is for the same weight. Given men are generally heavier than women, we'd expect th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 04:24 PM
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So let's take Megalian. They claim to use this strategy. One member, Areum Lee raped a minor boy, posted it on the forums, and was met with applause, all out in the open. She was arrested for CSAM. The members then started a petition to release her. They also frequently enough post photos of mutilated male genitals/bodies to laugh and shame them. These would get thousands of positive interactions. a The only comparable things I can think of misogynists doing is either them showing them raping a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:52 PM
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I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say. My read of what you said is "I'm not sure if you self [identify] as a feminist, but can't you just do the same? Without the escalation?" So, yeah there's obviously ways to not escalate. What I suspect is a lot of feminists that use mirroring don't realize they are escalating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:04 PM
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Bourgeois feminism is essentially a "woman first" style of feminism that still maintains an economic hierarchy, in contrast to "marxist" feminism which is class first, women second style that wants to eliminate hierarchy. There is a weird gray zone of pro hierarchy marxists (oxymoronic, tbh, emphasis on -moronic), but by and large it basically describes all of the western feminist movements since at latest the 1940's. Second wave feminism, especially, was Bourgeois.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:02 PM
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Griii... Griii. Griii. I think you did the thing I do, which is mistake someone else replying to you as the person you replied to. You did quote u/Lerxst69 saying "It's the equivalent of women shitting on men." However, this back and forth has been with u/ExternalGreen6826. Thought I'd mention it just so no escalations happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:56 PM
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ope it's our weekly concern troll slop post! Weird to invoke Tinmen when both subs don't really differ. The biggest difference is that centers mainly on one guys digestible made-for-public-consumption posts. But the analysis and interactions come out similar. This sub can lean into personal grievance territory, sure. But, what is wrong about that? This is a subreddit, not a scientific journal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:52 PM
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It's largely because it's not clear whether you're talking about self identified incels or what liberal women call incels, and for either it's not really true. Self identified incels tend to lean more left wing and score lower on a lot of entitlement scales. Labeled incels can be literally anyone that disagrees with a woman in some capacity lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:47 PM
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I hate that real life ruins parody xD. That person is just..... wow. beyond parody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:42 PM
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It's a strategy where you behave the same way as your "enemies" to "mirror" their behavior back at them. The point is to either 1. make them feel how you feel 2. take control of the conversation. The problem is when a lot of feminists do this strategy... they escalate, which defeats the purpose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:40 PM
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I'm being tongue and cheek on the 4channer one. Lots of the OG gamergate whining on that platform, in their catastrophizing, actually guessed a lot of things right haha. Then marxist feminists such as rosa luxembourg and clara zetkin talked at length about the western world's fascination with bourgeois feminism and it's likely consequences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:38 PM
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So I'm using "drive-by" in a descriptive sense, not as a specific slang. It still means shooting people from a car. I'm just hoping the context makes it more clear that I meant it as "catcalling people from a car." As far as "social significance," I suspect it all sort of contributes to a culture of fear of male sexuality. I wouldn't be shocked if significantly lower violent crime has been compensated with sexual crime fears.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 01:37 PM
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yeah, empathy is just generally a difficult skill. And I don't think there's a lot of incentive for people to form cognitive empathy if they struggle with more "true" empathy. The recent "red button blue button" discourse has really shown how empathy is fucking WEIRD and that it's almost impossible to use it as a broad pattern in certain groups of people. Everyone and anyone can struggle with it in their own weird ways. Tangent, another place another I notice there's a very clear difference in w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:51 AM
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I do really wonder how much good and evil has been done in the world over sex as an incentive lol. It's way more powerful than I think most give it credit for, and how their own behavior around it contributes to that power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:47 AM
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TFW r/CPTSD made my CPTSD worse because of secondary trauma :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:43 AM
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I agree. I'd go further and say "don't lose the leftist label just because you hate misandry. Own it more."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 02:41 AM
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I will say, my brain has gotten mad at "other people" but that's largely after a lot of secondary issues trying to talk about it and trying to get help
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 07:30 PM
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yeah parks and rec is very lib feminist. Aged very strangely
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 07:29 PM
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"Many women feel progress is going backwards, and their everyday experiences show why" And what's that "everyday" experience? The non everyday sexual harassment and the everyday fear of harassment. Yet when boys report how literally every day they hear about how evil men are and how they're scared of a lot of things involving women.... crickets. It's also very strange they cast sexual harassment (defined as unwanted sexual comments) as a crime. It only becomes a crime when it's repeated or physi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 07:14 PM
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It's quite fascinating to hear "treat women as human" for so long and then just see.... how we treat men lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 07:03 PM
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hell, the men they never even talk to, period are the worst people on earth lol. It's truly baffling they don't reconcile the difference. It's not hard to say "some manipulators are good at it, others are not, we get harmed by the ones that are skilled and identify the ones that are not." That's not even correct (they just think men they don't like are bad manipulators), but at least it tries to reconcile the dissonance lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 06:14 PM
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I think there could be a lot of fruitful moral OCD research by looking within feminist and feminist adjacent spaces. I know I have had REALLY bad moral feminist OCD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 06:12 PM
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exactly. I'm in a similar boat. To make my dad understand I just said I'm some sort of nonromantic nonsexual (like he is) despite neither really being true. I'm just shy, picky, and content in my single life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:40 PM
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to be fair, chronically single men "back in the day," would usually get their own slurs, which usually vaguely gestured at them being homosexual or deficient. "dandy" at one point had that, "fruit" etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:36 PM
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They really don't like when I say "the incel in the basement isn't a threat to you. It's your husband." or something like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:35 PM
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That's hilarious, especially because I work in natural resources and see how so many women in these outdoorsy spaces LOVE traditionally masculine men lol. Dating in the outdoorsy world actively selects for those kinds of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:34 PM
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u/IliaBern44 linked this article which uses the old Chinese story where "being late" and "rebelling" had the same consequence, death, so you might as well rebel. PUA to red pill is basically that. The punishment was "intense social reprimand and risk of being seen as actively evil and predatory," so.... might as well be more selfish about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:31 PM
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This is snarky of me. "if women's experiences were undermined so much because of the patriarchy, why do they get so offended by being indirectly accused of lying? Shouldn't they be used to it?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:27 PM
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Thank you for sharing that. It was a pleasure to read
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:25 PM
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I like to say these days "99% of men's dating woes are getting through the door, 99% of women's dating woes are staying in the room." So your point 2 is in the same vein. When guys talk about dating, their concern isn't about establishing a long running relationship (that shit's honestly easy because it's very controllable). It's about starting any relationship whatsoever. A lot of women don't seem to recognize this. Empathetic gender amiright?! lol jk jk. Your "fishing for a gold fish in a pond…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:24 PM
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I suspect higher incidence of autism in incels plays a HUGE role here. More NT men are more willing to not care about the inconsistency, but autism usually includes a need for clear logic (that society constantly breaks, lies about, undermines). The "we want good men but clearly don't find them attractive" inconsistency is a killing blow to internal logic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:19 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, but my favorite nuggets is definitely "a behavioural pattern that does not line up with set expectations." That is the key aspect of incel talking points that is consistent. It's all about "what women say they want and what they choose do not seem to align." That naturally causes frustration. Any rational person that hears "I want this" from someone that clearly doesn't would rightfully be frustrated, especially if they give a shit about that persons opinion. Accept…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:17 PM
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Yes. It's extremely bad journalism lol It is just code for "man I don't like, but I want to make everyone else not like him"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:07 PM
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I've gotten shut down once for talking to myself while working xD It was distracting them. I know I look crazy, but I'm having fun and I'm harming no one haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 03:05 PM
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I'm 90% sure the only reason I'm not 100% alone and miserable is because I was high functioning enough to be useful haha. Because yeah, without that, people would get soooooo fucking weird with me. I notice this when I'm in spaces where everyone is really really smart. I'm now suddenly the very odd duck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/26 04:38 AM
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Mexico has huge populations of very christian and traditionalist people. Coincident with these is gynocentric conservatism. I've noticed (so speaking anecdotally) a lot of very feminist women from the US love those kind of men and families because it basically deifies women, even when said people also are harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/26 06:54 PM
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One day I hope we can get a good depiction of someone suffering from genuine issues, acknowledging the harm and how it makes them feel, but then choosing to still do the right thing without sacrificing themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/26 02:13 PM
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Ah the famous personality detector. So good it... wait... 1/4 women are victims of SA, predominantly from men they choose to be close to? That can't be right. Of course the reality is "it's impossible to know whether someone is or is not a predator, especially right off of first impressions, but we can learn how to protect ourselves and identify strong signals."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 11:38 PM
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You hit the nail on the head with black men. All it takes to show most feminists have stupid uses of intersectionality is to ask "do you believe black women are actively used to fear monger danger with?" Because it's basically only black men, because they're men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 03:29 PM
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What a strange wall of text that added nothing. I deliberately used "male violence" because feminists use that framing, citing murder and severe assault statistics, to justify a litany of BS. I then explained that I used that to keep it within their framing, acknowledging that domestic abuse is more open ended. As far as your assertion that feminists are right that domestic abuse is overwhelmingly perpetrator by men on women, that does not bare out in research. If anything, there's a stronger fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 04:46 AM
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Agree. I have no care to "fit in" because I walk the walk. Who cares if I'm a neon sign xD. I think it's all just the weird struggle to "fit in" but also to have control over what that means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 04:40 AM
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Domestic abuse is more accurate to reality. It's that a lot of the feminist narrative around domestic abuse is that "it's overwhelmingly unilaterally committed by men. So much so that we should not remotely focus on female perpetrators." So I used "male domestic violence" to keep it in their language.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 05:57 PM
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"CCCAAALLLLVVVIIINNNNN!!!!!" It's so dumb how that philosophy permeates so much in such toxic ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 04:57 PM
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I've noticed that with a lot of nonconformist groups. I'm a huge part of local punk and metal scenes and.... it's very obvious how much "in group signalling" is performed and actively demanded. Wear a bright green shirt at a metal concert? Everyone's going to be treating you WEIRD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 04:56 PM
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It's insane whenever I see misandry from a trans woman. It's always so extreme.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 01:23 PM
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Well, if what you say is true, then I stand corrected. I'll verify when I have time for my own sake.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 11:15 PM
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Are you critiquing the amnesty person or OP? It will help clarifying because your comment can go either way and means different things depending on that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 06:39 PM
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That's true.... So yeah it's probably one piece gender but another piece culture wave
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 04:52 PM
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Not quite, but mass colonialism was devastating and did result in tens of millions of deaths.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 04:35 PM
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we don't have to imagine. Queen Victoria.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 04:23 PM
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That's fair. Bullies are generally the most harmed people. SImilar type stuff.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 04:21 PM
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Same brother, same. It's downright ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:59 PM
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That's the reason I say "masculinity is a prison that must be completely removed until we can make it non-external." Because I don't think conversations around "masculinity" are productive largely because everyone can only conceive of it in terms of extrinsic validation. To me, extrinsic validation makes it a total non-starter. We must define an internal identity for men, which... very very few want, especially of other men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:58 PM
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Yeah it's all just-world fallacy to cope with being a pos. They just cannot accept that "sometimes, the world sucks and you end up lonely."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:55 PM
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It's insane to me that feminists now act like they got all their wins solely because of women. It's just 100% revisionism. So so so so easy to go "given there were only like... two women in congress, and amendments require supermajorities in both house and senate, plus three fourths of the states... men were basically 99% of the votes for the 19th amendment. That alone proves men supported the movement en mass."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:49 PM
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Recently I was reminded of POSIWID: the purpose of a system is what it does. And as you point out, all of it is to enforce what "manly" is, with no respect for internal identity. Systemically men are expected to conform to external signifiers, and then we act shocked when they're erratic, needy, dependent, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:42 PM
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I never thought about that in reference to the white feather campaign, but holy shit that's a good connection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 02:27 PM
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Which is hilarious given even stupid ass 4channers have predicted this for over a decade and marxist feminists predicted this a century ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 01:55 PM
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I lowkey hate when my therapist says that "oh it's just online let's move to more real life relationships" and like... brother... everyone younger than 40 is very online, that is real life now. One of my friend groups went on a total shame campaign against a man friend who broke up with this one girl friend because he was moving to Korea. However that fell through at the last second, she had already moved on, and the guy basically died inside. And they were like "he made a wrong choice" "he was …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/26 01:54 PM
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I would love to have a drink with Karen and talk with them about THAT AskFeminists mod lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:26 PM
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I was not aware of Megalia and their insignia alone made me sigh.... What deranged people. I like this wiki excerpt "In December 2015, moderators on Megalian.com banned homophobic posts that targeted gay men. This led the majority of its users to leave for other forums." Truly great environmental storytelling lol. It's so annoying how every "mirroring strategy" feminists employ... do not mirror. They always escalate. Then when they rightfully get banned, they go "but the misogynists aren't banne…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 11:22 PM
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I'm baffled no one really talks about political lesbianism despite it well pre-dating similar movements like 4B. Plus, some MAJOR feminists were political lesbians, or shared much of the same "don't have sex with men because they're evil" rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 08:27 PM
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This is honestly fair, and I think we should acknowledge this because feminist theory plays between the lines of this "interpretive/explanatory" spectrum. It is notoriously "slippery" because of this. There is validity in interpretation based knowledge building. Hell, a lot of what we do here is similar, especially when we suspect "the science" isn't showing something many of us experience. So what is different between the formulation of Marxist theory vs Feminist theory? My personal argument is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 03:23 PM
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It's hard to break through that one, largely because it's so delusional lol. Personally I either make an argument that's essentially "why would the gender be relevant? men are not a hivemind. What matters is the victim." Alternatively you can point to powerful women (pam bondi, all the british queens, etc) and argue that men suffered the same injustices, no longer directly because of men. It's the same injustice, and it actively harms men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 01:25 PM
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I'll second to do everything to avoid them changing the topic. They will eat you alive if you let them have any room to deflect and redirect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/26 04:05 AM
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Which prompted an idea many have had. Get them to agree that policing is biased, that "what a crime is" is biased, and then apply the same logic. If you can nail them on leftist beliefs of social inequality, justice bias, provide the data above and compare it to their justice data. That clearly outlines a sex bias against men in policing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 09:59 PM
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So I don't have the time to collect sources, but I want to just give some general advice. They will likely leverage appeals to emotion or accusations against you. Even if that is not allowed in this debate format, they likely will get more of a pass. The key thing is to keep your cool and keep your demeanor approachable. The second you turn angry or defensive is when they'll pounce. Stay approachable and they can't leverage shoddy arguments against you. If they talk fast, use that to catch them.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 07:36 PM
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eehhhh it works but needs refinement. There's multiple strategies, such as directly citing evidence otherwise. Your approach seems more rhetorical, rather than literal. It's likely that if you ask questions such as "does patriarchy teach men to dominate?" you can get them to commit to a bunch of beliefs, then you can use those against them. Would a man seeking relationship dominance want to leverage the law against women? In which case it is in his best interest to make such accusations. Or does…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 06:58 PM
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I'm like 90% sure the difference is because one is a boy and another a girl.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 03:41 PM
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To be fair, he is overblowing a handful of them. Basically anytime he brought up a terrorist group, he's overblowing it. Hasan has pretty luke warm social science perspectives on terrorism as "a natural and somewhat justified response to intense outside violence." However, Hasan's take on Ukraine was dogshit and he does shill for very authoritarian socialist/communist states. Now anytime Hasan talks policy, rather than rhetoric, it's all fairly social democrat stuff, AFAIK.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 03:39 PM
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That's my primary theory on this dynamic. To us, it is a given that conservatives suck. We already assume that and the like. That's helped by them being ghouls that don't even pretend to care about others. But the left claims to care. The left tries to act like it cares about others, yet they don't. That's worth unique condemnation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 03:31 PM
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There is a valid concern here that it's not like feminists made say, rape laws, uniquely worse when historically they weren't even really acknowledged. Imprecision only makes that a more dubious claim. I think more accurately is that the "root source" of these gender norms is unknowable, but multiple groups of people perpetuate them: conservatives and feminists. Our critiques assume that "conservatives suck" is a given. That's why many point out the places where feminism uniquely harmed men in d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 03:23 PM
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I mean that these people have likely been genuinely harmed in some way, so the emotions are a natural response. The "somewhat" is because that reasonableness usually ends when they start being toxic as fuck.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 01:44 PM
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Tbf, your comment comes off as a "so you hate waffles?!" comment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 04:02 AM
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I do not have the energy to actually deep dive into their gish gallop, so here's my vibes based on preexisting knowledge first paragraphs. Their argument literally proves them wrong. Yeah, when you give a specific definition, you can say "this does not meet that definition." However the next natural question is "how useful or representative is that definition?" That immediately turns against them. Take their Christianity example. What is more representative of Christianity in the US, the happy v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/26 03:57 AM
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oh it absolutely is masking infantilisation. Unironically the complaints about "victim blaming" rub me the wrong way because, yes, we do not want to shame people for being victims. It ultimately is not their fault... but also... a lot of this shit could be prevented with reasonable education and an accountability centered mindset. Like yeah, I'm not to blame for being abused because I was young and naive. But I was naive in the first place because of our system not teaching the prevention I had …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 05:26 PM
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double majoring at sex biased in favor of women college UCSB is instantaneously better opportunity and outcome than the VAST majority of men. Education is basically the number one predictor of lifetime longevity and happiness, and she has benefited from it. Won't anyone think of the privileged white women? /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:24 PM
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Yeah it's a bit low brow lol. What would have been more interesting is to use this as a framework to discuss the bigger problem, the LTP account she cites.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:19 PM
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Only men are expected to bust down random couple's doors randomly just in case it stops a rape /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:17 PM
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It's going to get REALLY bad and I frankly only feel bad for the innocents swept up into it. Ardent mainstream feminists are not innocents.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:15 PM
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then when you call that out it turns into "oh so women can't be cautious? They have every reason to fear men!" and its like.... no one here is talking about caution. We're talking about active antagonistic fear. The second your caution bleeds onto others is when it needs to be addressed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:14 PM
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Agreed. I point to my ifunny upbringing a lot, but this is another case where it is warranted. You see VILE people on there. But one thing they do not do is require the people they hate to validate them. They just hate and disregard those people. Misandrists are very very strange in that regard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:13 PM
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It's because it's their justification, not someone elses. That's literally as simple and stupid as it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:04 PM
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I was raised in a very religious conservative place by a liberal family and was told women are better... braver... more curious... the list goes on... Damn almost like the liberalness doesn't really matter, it's all gynocentric. I notice she loves Mexico so much she's lived with a host family there and is trying to major in spanish. I wonder what that's about. Totally nothing about gynocentric conservatism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 03:04 PM
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I don't know of a single men's right advocate group that has dozens (if not, over 100) official government sanctioned instagram accounts... Yes that logic is sort of trash but idc, no less trash than their bs. UN Women is one of the biggest proponents of the "divid[ing] communities" they critique. Who is it that makes a gender equality index where it's IMPOSSIBLE to ever have equality? The post just comes off as projection. "Takes one to know one" type shit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/26 02:54 PM
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I think generally their narratives about male domestic violence and female discrimination in education and the workplace need SERIOUS updating. It's extremely clear now that they are just wrong on those two pieces. There's a bunch of other stuff, but that's sthe first two I'd target
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 11:48 PM
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That's the crux of most of their arguments. It refuses to update with very obvious societal changes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 02:01 PM
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An argument I got in with someone. Maybe it's a troll. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1subvml/comment/oi1lgam
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 01:57 PM
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literally just in the last few days someone has been arguing with me that this study is about toxic masculinity.... Like... it's just deranged. I would like to believe that by formalizing definitions and patterns to generate predictions these discussions will get clearer, but I spelled it out to her as I would a first grader... was not enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 01:55 PM
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ofc. It is mild critique of normative misandry. End of the goddamn world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/26 12:46 PM
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The sims need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:23 PM
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and again that has more to do with toxic masculinity and has zero to do with feminism. :shrug: Your answer to my side note is not remotely an answer. Why would specifically "being a man" and the toxic rape myths around that DECREASE for MEN despite the rise of the manosphere, meanwhile the toxic rape myths INCREASE for WOMEN. If "toxic masculinity" includes the perceptions and biases that men can't be rape victims or they "encouraged" being raped, and toxic masculinity is increasing ("revival").…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:20 PM
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Fuck I didn't even think about this... but if men do go the other way, the system will reorganize to still benefit women, just now they are the managers getting bonuses, they are ones with tax deductions, they are the ones with the scholarship. That's already sort of happening, but it can become inescapable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:15 PM
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Fucking for real. Didn't know "don't control me, please" is controlling.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:12 PM
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PSH it's controlling and needy to expect a partner to reply /s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:11 PM
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How dare you kill them?!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 07:09 PM
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That is what you're saying by saying "it's not feminism, it's toxic masculinity," making them out to be mutually exclusive. That in no way does feminism overlap. If it cannot possibly be feminism (when it objectively partially is), then you are saying feminism is 100% anti toxic masculinity. Side note, do you really believe that toxic masculinity can explain men dropping to the same level women had 30 years ago, while women specifically increased to 1/4? Toxic masculinity would predict men would…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 03:44 PM
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"you just don't understand" meanwhile I do fully understand. I've been through trauma. I've read a mountain of work on it. Notice how what you describe is not the justice healing you, it's the social support, which is exactly what I've been saying. You acknowledge the justice system can re-traumatize. At this point, it really seems like you agree with me that it's not the justice that saves you, it's the people, and that the people may or may not be from the justice system. And to be fair, I say…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 03:40 PM
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That is one of the most "failing to tow the line" posts I've read lol. "men can be victims too, oh but they admit to perpetrating in barely a majority of cases. No we will not discuss women perpetration." immediately into some reasonable stuff, but then turning to "the men abuse, but also abusers come from all walks of life, but also it's men."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 03:26 PM
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That is one of the most "towing the line" posts I've read lol. "men can be victims too, oh but they admit to perpetrating in barely a majority of cases. No we will not discuss women perpetration." immediately into some reasonable stuff, but then turning to "the men abuse, but also abusers come from all walks of life, but also it's men."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 03:24 PM
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I have noticed a lot of online people that say "I'm a therapist" are actually woo-woo coaches, too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 01:24 PM
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Your assumption is that feminism is 100% anti toxic masculinity. That is very, very clearly not a valid assumption.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 01:22 PM
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Yes, correlation is not causation. But that is not enough to ignore a very clear total reversal in perceptions of male rape victims of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 05:21 AM
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yeah it is the 1 in 5 "paper."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 05:15 AM
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It's largely why I've grown to be very content in my moment to moment life with little to no forward thinking. Jokingly put, Absurdist Buddhism xD. I just can't have any expectations about the future because it just sucks having them lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 04:53 AM
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-_- It is very clear you are very triggered. Please, for your own health, just leave, and breathe. If you genuinely are curious to understand our perspectives, you're always free to come back. But right now, I am not going to engage with someone that is taking out their trauma on me with insane assumptions. I wish you well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/26 04:47 AM
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I think 2016 was the start of the downfall, especially among left wing women. Covid did a lot of damage, and imo trump 2 was when it went to complete shit. I don't think they were always like this. But the political environment has been... annoying, angering, and tiring for over a decade. In the middle there was the pandemic, which shut off social bonds for a year, and then the political climate only got worse and more heinous. Plus big tech has seen unprecedented growth and freedom, so they are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 11:49 PM
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controversial indeed. It's hard. I would say what you say is likely reasonably accurate for very visible women. Those that are out doing things, that are social, etc and draw attention to themselves. Those ones are very visible and tend to have traits associated with what you describe. Where I get a bit iffy on it is with less visible women. I say that moreso from an "I just don't know" standpoint rather than a "you're wrong" standpoint. In theory dating apps could maybe shine a world into those…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 06:14 PM
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And of course, there is a little bit of each. That's where actual vetting should be a community focus (this one does fairly well imo).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 06:03 PM
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I was very sad that a very cool and cute metal tatoo'er girl I followed did similar. She went from cool hobby content and stuff to CONSTANT story posting comments just giving schoolyard bully insults. So mindless and toxic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 06:01 PM
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Possibly. Although it can be argued that femcels are ultimately socialized differently enough to where anger may be more likely. At this point it's all conjectural.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 05:57 PM
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yup. It was funny because my response was basically just "I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you. Either integrate what I provided or we're done here." Then she just turned to the same NPC responses lol. "you provided nothing." "It's well established that...", "you can't read, incel". blah blah
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 05:54 PM
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I tried finding examples but couldn't find any. Definitely deleted. I can't remember the names. Plus I think you've seen me not even know who I'm replying to sometimes xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 04:33 PM
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You know how right wingers love to say "I was banned for using my free speech!" and you look at their speech and it's active threats of violence, racism, etc? Your "I am down voted regardless of what I say, probably simply because I'm a woman," is the same train of thought. It just isn't engaging with the reality of your own comment and the responses towards you. People here have honestly been very gracious towards you, given how obtuse you've been. Like here, notice how you are constantly posit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 03:03 PM
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related, an interesting preprint on belief diversity as it relates to authoritarianism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:42 PM
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" I don't need feminists to help, I need to them stop actively harming," is something similar I tend to say, especially if I get the "women are tired and won't help you." argument
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:39 PM
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better yet, they're calling the men gay for that xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:36 PM
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"The future is female" is feminism's 1488.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:34 PM
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I have been surprised by an uptick in anti-migrant dogwhistles appearing. They usually get downvoted into the ground, but I've seen a few favorable replies to them from users I thought were totally chill.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:32 PM
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Or as a lot of feminists like to say, "if you have to say you're kind, you're not kind." Funnily enough, I don't think whether someone saying they're kind or whatever means much, it's reasonable to say "I'm kind" because other people acknowledged you as kind many times. But that is not allowed for men in many contexts, so, it's fun to turn the rhetoric around.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:29 PM
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"I'll open myself up to criticism" *describes the most normal hook up ever* xD. Jokes aside, you make the exact key point. Some of those questions are so vague to where it's like... what?! I love that question that's like "ever went to a private place to have sex," like... yeah... that's how sex works in 99% of cases... Strange exhibition and voyeur kink, author....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:26 PM
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Which honestly, checks out as someone who has seen a LOT from both communities. Incels really are mostly sad broken men, with a significant population that is (somewhat reasonably) resentful. Feminists really are mostly angry broken women (somewhat reasonably), where the primary mode of venting is to tear men down. edit: added "(somewhat reasonably)" to clarify that each group has their reasons for believing what they do, for better or worse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:23 PM
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Yeah I think it's more of a case where women cope better with being Single, but men come to cope better with being SINGLE. The teens to 20's (or 40's if you got married young) are ROUGH for guys, because many are SINGLE without the coping skills. But over time they develop that and become entirely self sufficient. Meanwhile women are (usually) Single, as in they are not in an active long term relationship, but they still often times have a satisfyingly rich social life OR if not, they attribute …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:21 PM
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Recently I had someone press me on those claims, so I backed it up. They then proceeded to pull out chronic illness stats... Like... okay and? That doesn't change what I said lol. Also women have more chronic illness largely because they live longer... largely because of medical discrimination against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:17 PM
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The textbook example of "rage bait for women" is AskAubry. Seriously, look at her profiles on twitter and shit. It is just a wall of the most cherrypicked emotionally charged nonsense. Ofc why people don't acknowledge that women can be rage baited is the "women are wonderful" effect. They're too smart and thought and emotionally intelligent to be rage baited /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 02:13 PM
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Nothing I object to there. Most on this sub are in the exact same boat. edit: I saw green pfp and thought it was Putrid...but it's rammo... here I was hoping it was just a miscommunication of putrids OP. Sadge.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:26 PM
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Given how liberal "femicide" is thrown around, if we kept definitions consistent, yes men killing men would be internalized misandry... which is made funnier by the fact feminist just do not acknowledge the existence of much misandry let alone internalized misandry xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:25 PM
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I just realized that the examples feminists give of "matriarchy"s very very much reflect our current single parent wave. The men still have a mountain of responsibility and are often not around, the women are the head of household, really only the "women are the head of the state" is different. I think we can all agree that parenting right now is... not looking great.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:22 PM
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I appreciate that you were able to at least see the harm. The thinking the 62 million was a mistake and then swapping to pelicot... not so much, but hey, baby steps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 11:19 PM
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I hate how consistent "love is the answer" is as a theme in deprogramming people lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 08:56 PM
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I think that plays a major role in this gradient I outline. Like, an individual may have implicit biases that can be considered hateful, but if you discuss it with them and they respond with genuine consideration, then that's cool in my book. I can work with that. I cannot work with a wall, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:50 PM
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Sweet. I mainly wanted to prompt that elaboration before things went to total shit, because you're basically on the money. The ideology is inherently sexist, and some do hold implicit beliefs as a result whilst not being outright Hateful TM C R. I think that's noncontroversial. The only controversy is defining "hate." Is it hate to hold normative sexist beliefs? Depends on how you look at it, doesn't matter much bc we agree on the same core idea that there's a gradient of hate and part of that g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:37 PM
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Let's see. They systematically discriminated against me for my entire education. They erased male victims of women's abuse, like me. They just recently took 1000 men an extrapolated it to 62 million men all to demonize them. The post also CLEARLY outlines and sources information about what feminists do to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 07:08 PM
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gotta be careful, we're going to have a concern troll post soon talking about how the majority of us here believe men are being systematically killed like the jews xD. On a more serious note, I too can't think of any thought exercise used against men that hasn't had some form in other hate ideologies. The poisoned candy is straight from the Nazis. The bear one vibes a lot like predator panic over black people (mostly men).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 06:38 PM
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I just want to jump in before you get dogpiled. Would it be fair to say you are separating "hate" from "hateful bias?" I.E the person doesn't outright hate men, but they clearly have internalized subconscious beliefs and behaviors that are sexist (or hateful) towards men? I want to ask that because your comment comes close to the "real feminists don't hate men," argument but I recognize you and your stances and I see the rhetoric that potentially diverge from that argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 06:26 PM
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It's very easy to be left wing and anti-feminist. It may actually be easier than being left wing and a feminist. There's some absolutely insane conservative beliefs prevalent in feminist thought and discourse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 05:21 PM
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Also worth linking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 04:21 PM
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I'm using it as a generic phrasing for things like "I was scared so I didn't feel comfortable," to softer ones like "I am a woman and should not coerce," or something approximating and inbetween those. Generic phrasing lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 03:19 PM
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Yeah, there's sort of two obvious hypotheses for the difference. Either 1. cultural under reporting or 2. hesitancy to coerce. Likely it's a bit of both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/26 02:40 PM
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in my opinion, journalists spreading false information are spreading disinformation by definition. This is because I strongly believe that "as a journalist, it is your duty and job to report accurate information, and any spreading of false information is a failure in your duty, thus must be intentional." Very similar to you. And say a journalist gets called on it and it was genuinely a mistake, they must own up to it, recognize the harm, and correct it. Mistakes are allowed. Everyone makes them.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 11:38 PM
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The article says "some surpassing 50,000 views." The hundreds of thousands is collectively. It's very uncertain what "some" means. Honestly, surpassing doesn't help either. it could be 50,001 or 1 billion. Likely it was close to 50,500. I believe they were talking about sleep porn, not cnc generally, but I'm doubtful they were talking specifically about eyecheck and related sleep porn videos that are more likely abusive. For all we know, the 50k video was a "step bro put his dick in me while I n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 11:34 PM
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It's textbook learned helplessness. There's a lot of work into Climate Grief on how "end of the world" narratives hindering positive action.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 06:05 PM
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I mean, I know of a lot of publicly hosted spreadsheet and Database places and I would be okay making some public ones for people to contribute examples of misandry to. It's very well possible to get at least a good atlas.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:40 PM
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For clarity, before I provide a link, the point is that the author, Joshua Goldberg, is actually a pretty shitty person and that him critiquing the 62 million is indicative of how insane the claim is. https://moonmetropolis.substack.com/p/no-incels-do-not-deserve-even-one
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 01:11 PM
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"If you do not get justice, it creates a much deeper pain and suffering and you're not as likely to fully recover or it takes longer." why? Genuinely, why would that inherently happen? To me, this all seems like unreasonable expectations. The justice system is very well known to be quite painful for victims, somewhat necessarily so. Putting someone in jail does not undo the harm they did against you. These two things combine into a system that will not fix internal strife. If someone believes th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 03:48 AM
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I took the chance to read the threads comments below his SA hotline post and.... WOW. That is one of the most deranged comment sections I have ever seen in my life, and that's saying a lot considering I grew up on Ifunny. The degree of just vile and insane comments was too much for me very quickly. Like, these people were taking his comment explicitly on "fantasies" and went "well rapists don't think like that," as if "rapist" is some predetermined state of mind that causes no internal questioni…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 11:27 PM
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I mean, those two criteria are socially constructed. I'd say from a personal stability standpoint, number 1 is very fair to expect, but number 2 really isn't. Justice does not mean you were supported in the way you needed. Group therapy may be many times better than seeking justice. I already said that the point of imprisoning is more about making sure they don't harm anyone else. My specific comment was on "solving their internal strife." Not on "any reason whatsoever." Healing is largely depen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 11:14 PM
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I can't help but have intense schadenfreude about it xD. It really is the perfect encapsulation of how "no matter how much good will you build, they will throw it away whenever convenient. You will never be given benefit of the doubt."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 07:08 PM
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Can you point to community like this one, but of feminist-adjacent women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 05:42 PM
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LMFAO I CALLED THAT THERAPY JEFF WOULD GET CANCELLED FOR A STUPID OR DISGUSTING REASON! Bro literally suggested a basic, sorta reasonable thing (everyone has thoughts, some people can't cope with some thoughts, so having a hotline as frontline damage control can be really good), but NAH, "You committed thought crime! Never have a shameful thought ever, rapist! [I never have bad thoughts. I'm a good person. Believe me please]." Keep in mind, his ENTIRE online persona is being the textbook male tr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 05:40 PM
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Except they are saying it's every man. They're rationalizing intense fear of other men. They using these stats to justify mistreating men who've done nothing wrong. I'm not missing how many women were assaulted. That is LITERALLY what the feminists are doing by insanely overblowing the actual statistic. I want us to focus on actual perpetrators and their victims rather than wasting time on random men. If the reason people say it's all men is to hate on patriarchy, 1. why can't they phrase it as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 03:07 PM
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Knowing them gives you a new appreciation of the random weirdos that go "Acktually it's not pedophile..." I guess lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 01:47 PM
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I vaguely remember reading a lot on how certain groups recycle and repurpose narratives to maintain funding, and feminists are one of the most powerful examples of that. Keep in mind, feminists today likely feel more oppressed, depressed, ostracized, etc than feminists did 150 years ago. Back then, they at least had a degree of major issues! But now things are very even across the sexes, yet the feminists are going fucking insane.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 04:05 AM
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God every name brought me back to 'nam lol. I remember hearing about the ProJared, Zero and Nairo situations after they happened and I just had to shake my head for each one. Unreal how flagrantly bullshit the allegations were. And keep in mind, 0 of those allegations went to any legal avenue. It doesn't have to, the person is fucked over all the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/26 03:59 AM
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a specific fetish club that posted and engaged in gay rape videos might be more accurate, because it adds that criminality component. All that to say, holy fuck is the 62 million claim absurd.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 09:15 PM
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The content creator sphere is just... so fucking ridiculous lol. They sure love their google docs of extremely cherry picked information that doesn't even support their main claims. A few years ago I got absolutely irate over Chuggaconroy being accused of impropriety. It was clear that through and through the only thing he did wrong was be a little awkward and cringe as an autistic man with a thing for shoes and feet at the same time. Meanwhile he was called a pedo, a predator, a rapist, etc. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 09:10 PM
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They're also the same ones that say "the numbers don't matter, its the broader picture!" Yeah... the broader picture that they lie all the goddamn time. I'd go as far to say men spreading the hoaxes are traitors. They may be well meaning/naive, but they still are traitors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 09:00 PM
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"this is so much larger than this one single incidient" Is not an excuse to lie and overblow the issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 05:42 PM
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leaning more into the "I'm too tired to even try."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 12:46 PM
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Go ahead
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 12:45 PM
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Agreed. And I'd say sort of opposite. It's mainly "I'm too scared, dejected, etc to do anything at all about this." Most of the research on it as a social phenomenon is in regards to climate doomerism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:45 AM
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They did the classic "if x people accused you, you're the problem" too lol Funny how that logic is only applied to men they don't like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:04 AM
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Probably. I could probably dress it up in a "desire for fairness" type argument but eh, likely just regular ole revenge.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 04:02 AM
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Most likely. They want to hold the chains for once.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:53 AM
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I cannot for the life of me find this source again, but I do remember reading a MS Thesis that found that 50% of legal accusations of rape in India are false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:52 AM
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And the Victoria years... and the Mary years...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:48 AM
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Shrek 2 is so peak
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:44 AM
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If it is that post... strawman indeed holy hell lol. Deranged to come to the conclusions they did there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:43 AM
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It's crazy how money and power are the two best heuristics for "is this person abusive?" time and time again, yet we still have to tell people this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:41 AM
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well... unironically there's notably loud populations that genuinely believe a man that likes adult petite women is a pedo. It's beyond fucked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:40 AM
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Hey man, I just want to send support your way. Every person that does not outright cause harm is good in my book, and you do that despite a significant uphill task. That is worth recognizing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/26 03:39 AM
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so then why say you are not doing it outright, rather than can't rn, but can later? Or even just a vague pointer to the post? Why very quickly turn hostile?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 10:55 PM
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I wonder if a more "agreeable" way of framing this problem is that "feminists have claimed to care about male rape victims for this long, yet feminists have been instrumental in the formalization of *insert laws they did a lot to pass* and many feminist scholars like Mary Koss actively used it to start major governmental surveys."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 10:30 PM
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Say that you are actually engaging in good faith, why frame it using behavior in this sub that doesn't really happen to any notable degree? Why avoid backing your argument up?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 10:28 PM
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Because they're dumb and care more about snappy clapbacks. So nowadays I hit them with "not 20 year old dave"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:51 PM
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"communication is key" girlies be like ^ lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:50 PM
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This thread really enshrined the "this is why no one likes moral philosophers" maxim lol. I was hoping for a genuine moral philosophy and ethics discussion balancing these aspects in an intellectual way. Silly me tbh lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:47 PM
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I point you to "morewithmj" on instagram. She has a post on it.... It is FILLED with people saying those that are correcting the misinformation are rapists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:45 PM
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"with specificity" being the key part of my critique of your responses. Here's the thing, it's impossible to tie visits to that porn site to any actual misconduct. You can think it's gross or objectionable, but there are 1001 reasons why someone may. Hell, their traffic is probably spiking this month solely from curiosity. It's fair to critique the website for it's dubious content hosting. But that is separate from critiquing men writ large. The reason you hear about a woman or young girl being …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:43 PM
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The best one I know of is by Clara Zetkin The working women, who aspire to social equality, expect nothing for their emancipation from the bourgeois women's movement, which allegedly fights for the rights of women. That edifice is built on sand and has no real basis. Working women are absolutely convinced that the question of the emancipation of women is not an isolated question which exists in itself, but part of the great social question. They realize perfectly clear that this question can nev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:32 PM
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fun fact. "women as the homemaker" is a solidly WWII and after phenomenon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:27 PM
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"oh feminists did some good things? That means they are good, period. They do no wrong" -you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:26 PM
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I will say, they are likely talking about that manosphere post from the other day, but most of the criticism there was that the manosphere is severely overblown and is so ill-defined to effectively only serve as rhetoric. No one denied that harmful male centered and misogynist content exists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:23 PM
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inb4 "by whom" from OP
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:20 PM
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Uh..... I'm very active in this sub and have not seen what you describe. You've already refused to provide examples to a literal mod. You are most definitely a troll. And what sucks is on a degree, I will say people here focus a lot on what's wrong, which can trap people into doom spirals. I wish there were more positive content. But that is not what you're arguing. You're arguing that people here mostly deny reality to tear others down, which does not reflect my experience here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:20 PM
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Somewhat tangent, I really don't understand why people believe that imprisoning someone that attacked them will solve their internal strife. Once the story is out, it's unlikely that person will personally harm you again. The point of pursuing legal action is to make sure they don't harm anyone else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 07:16 PM
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Holy extraordinary grace indeed. She was 33. Trauma sucks. Trauma can do shitty things. The police are shitty things. Those two interacting can be really bad. But there is no excuse for her behavior. That may not have changed the results, but she had the ability to sway the narrative, and she didn't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 02:58 PM
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This is basically all conjecture but I'd guess any "holistic" or wellness product. Phone companies. Apps and games companies. I wouldn't be shocked if higher education profits from this (new students that pay into the system rather than take out). It might also increase overall worker output because fewer relationships, less interest in hobbies, tends to lead towards more work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 04:06 AM
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That's unfortunately very true. I wish dead internet theory was true, but unfortunately it is false enough to where I have to recognize "these are real people and they are awful."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 04:02 AM
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From my understanding, the writer deliberately went to sleep content (I'll assume for work) and saw a comment linking the telegram. You know, the trashy links people drop in porn comments lol. That led them to the telegram where they found what they perceived to be a 100% legit rape academy. Of course, at every step there's unaddressed caveats. How many of the 1000 were active. How many of those were serious. How many of those actually did illegal acts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/26 12:07 AM
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And I think it will change attitudes. "the straw that broke the camels back," is a real phenomenon. I will say, though, I was hoping you'd engage a bit more with specificity rather than just "I think this is worse." C'est la vie.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:59 PM
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It becomes a lie when they're corrected on it yet they maintain the same narrative. Which... Is a LOT of people
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:55 PM
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But would disinformation not lead to widespread increases in fear of others, greater relationship strain, greater isolation, and less community? The knock on effects could then be suicides, depression, homelessness, etc. At what level of indirectness is relevant? Would virtue ethics approve of "a lie leading to many negative outcomes?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:32 PM
3

engels_marx.jpg "They can't keep getting away with it!!!!!!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:26 PM
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You can write three paragraphs about how vile the telegram chat is and they STILL will say you are defending rapists. There's no getting through. I do wonder how much is manufactured. I need to get back into my habit of just saying "that's a rage bot," so I can move on rather than trying to break through to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:25 PM
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what in the absolute fuck xD. Sure, it's a scalar value by definition, AND?! RELEVANCE?!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:22 PM
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It's a lie that "mortuaries don't hire men because you know why [they rape the dead bodies]." There is 0 examples of that, let alone a problem with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 09:17 PM
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And that's assuming all were serious. Given what we now know about extremist groups, it's a lot of bluster where a handful of true believers drive the abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:16 PM
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That's the thing, we don't actually know. People just assert that a video depicting an event that could be atrocious if not for consent just... didn't have consent. What's likely is of those 20k sleep videos, some were CNC, some were rape. It's very difficult to know which. Plus, even watching those videos doesn't mean someone wants the rape version of it. It doesn't mean it was men watching. There's just so so so so many layers of dishonesty to this entire story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:15 PM
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The outraged people certainly didn't read the article, tbf lol. I keep seeing those creators say "read the article" to double down on things the article outright does not say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 04:16 PM
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"the power of eurocentricism is that it defines the globe with the mercator projection" is a perfect proof of OP tbh. Mercator was defined because it preserves direction, essential for ocean travel. It takes a truth, which is that "up and north is towards europe, which maps reflect, and this is because of eurocentrism" and distorts it to a silly argument. Tangent: I've yet to see any evidence that defining north as up on maps or not having maps we now consider "upside down" as anything actually …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 04:13 PM
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CNN writers are smart enough to know that similar, unrelated information will get merged together. Then when called out for it they can go "well we never said this explicitly." If so, then why did you write basically three completely separate articles in one article without clear separation?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:52 PM
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I do wonder what causes more harm. The 1000 men (presumably not larping) drugging and raping, or the tens of millions spreading misinformation about it and drawing potentially harmful conclusions. That's a completely open question with no solid answer. But as a philosophical exercise, it is interesting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:51 PM
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"until it's no men, it's all men." being a common false dichotomy. I really am baffled how we have an entire huge social movement that has normalized a pathological fair world expectation. Wouldn't unfair events instantly shatter that? Wouldn't all the billionaires being awful shatter that? Wouldn't the existence of a patriarchy shatter that? There are so so so many flagrantly unfair things about the world I do not understand how anyone can seriously believe in one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:47 PM
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They didn't learn anything from Amber Heard. Many still believe she was 100% innocent and many are working to reshape the public perception on AH. Ironically some of that is trying to tone police Camille Vasquez to argue she was wrong lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:43 PM
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I tried getting through to someone yesterday and... yeah... they want it to be true. I called out the disinfo, they denied. Once I quoted the literal article and they couldn't deny, they pulled the "but it represents a bigger problem" argument. So they basically just admitted that the reality of the situation did not matter, because it confirmed an existing perception about the world. As a "fuck you" I gave them research on how doomer generalizations are actively counterproductive to solving the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:37 PM
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a whole number that can be negative. TBF reddit doesn't show a +.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:27 PM
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Joshua Goldberg, the author of the linked substack article.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:25 PM
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I mean, that's still fucking absurd. A testing center and a tutoring center should have 0 restrictions on who can show up at any time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 02:23 PM
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Oh yeah, this stuff does cycle around. It's just that something about this case is so insanely manufactured and disconnected from reality that it stands out to me. It reminds me of the "they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs," news cycle. Just absolutely removed from all reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:13 AM
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It's so strange how these people outright say that Mary Koss chose to use the patriarchal definition of rape and then just.... gloss over that. It's very clear that Koss was agreeing with that definition and has used it solely for her entire career. It's impossible to validly rationalize that as acknowledging male victims of women. Another interesting observation. "this is a well established fact." "this is basic reality" "indisputable fact." All this being said at the same time they say "yeah m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 05:01 AM
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I HATE that this has blown up. It's one of the most egregious misinformation campaigns I've seen, especially from the left. How they manage to take 1,000 unknown shitty men and extrapolate it to EVERY MAN is just insane. Made all the more insane by the 1,000 unknown shitty men being irrelevant to how they made the extrapolation, a kink site visitation numbers and dubious videos... edit: I looked around that authors other posts. You know the feminist rage machine fucked up when that author is cal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 04:38 AM
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That's a very good criticism of their paper. Thank you for sharing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 01:55 PM
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the pieces where there are gendered inequalities. Solving QOL won't automagically solve social issues. I do agree that marxist feminists would be far better off as egalitarians through and through. Their singular "gender solutions" view is myopic. I just find that with the primary economic focus, they are at least capable of being worked with. That is in contrast with liberal feminists, who suck through and through lol. That is unfortunate that what you experienced is fairly common. There's stil…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 01:24 PM
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I think that's fair criticism. And I won't deny some Marxist feminists do go way too far into the gender war stuff. My perspective on this is that fundamentally, issues are stratified by class. That is absolute. But in many communities/civilizations there are more minor gendered stratifications. Some of those are inherently tied to class power. Some of those... probably are not. I think it is reasonable (not necessarily correct in many cases) to interrogate and work on those gendered aspects as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 04:34 AM
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"I wonder how much left wingers are unironically stupid" Probably way more than anyone here would like to admit, myself included. I tend to find way better experiences by just assuming complete stupidity rather than expecting better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 04:23 AM
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I agree that body positivity/ "men stop with unrealistic expectations of women" was insanely prominent in the 2000's. That has moderately dropped off, but I think there's still a lot of that around. One thing I have noticed different is that actively doubling down on "women aren't superficial" has, from my experience, increased a lot. 2000's discourse there was some capacity to acknowledge vanity, even if it was pointed only at the Jersey Shores type girls. But nowadays it really feels like ANY …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 04:21 AM
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if body positivity existed for men, we wouldn't have looksmaxxers lol. The body positivity movement constantly laundered anorexic and plastic surgery obsessed women as evidence. Easy to do the same with rising body dysmorphia in men, looksmaxxers, etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 04:16 AM
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It has literally fried this generations brains. It's insane.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 08:57 PM
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the simple questioning in this case is quite informative. That's largely because of how gross the women under 25 stats are. Like they were seriously asked the most lay up question ever and they still couldn't pretend to care.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 08:56 PM
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I'd say it changes how they interact with gender politics. They tend to focus more on specifically gendered issues facing women and solving those in addition to the marxism, rather than being 100% class based.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 08:55 PM
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I mean, they want people to think it's way larger than it is, not to call for WWIII, but for people to mentally shut down. Overwhelm them with grief and you can take anything from them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 07:07 PM
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Honestly their argument is that "women care about sex so much that being a good person is irrelevant to having sex with women, so focus on yourself and your attractiveness and confidence."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 04:50 PM
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I really wonder if her PhD had 0 clinical aspects. She really behaves a LOT like a more academic psychologist than a clinical psychologist. Clinicians have their issues, but they at least seem capable of multiple perspectives and meeting people where they're at. But she just DOES NOT.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 04:48 PM
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It got deleted, but someone complained about it in the discussion thread and a response was literally "What about women's medical care?"..... I didn't expect much from people that willing to call themselves neoliberals and are actively participating in a subreddit for it... but come on, any sentient being should be able to hear themselves say "WHAT ABOUT...."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 04:32 PM
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Agents of socialization are an absolute bitch lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 01:58 PM
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"I didn't grow up hearing about how evil micro-aggressions are to take 'men are evil and scary' lying face down!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 01:55 PM
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So... interestingly, when I came to your comment it was -6. Now it's +8. I'd say it's more likely downvotes would come from more reactionary anti-feminists where any semi-positive acknowledgement of a feminist idea is automatically rejected. It's something that makes sense, but it is worth being aware of in this space. That's why I drew attention to how you detail a far more well rounded definition of patriarchy that does point towards those issues against men. You are on a similar boat as many …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 01:52 PM
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That is fair lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 01:46 PM
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Holy fuck that's perfect xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 01:45 PM
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I'm fine with AI. I'm not fine with using it in the most lazy way possible and not evaluating anything that it wrote. Other people in this sub use AI in far better ways and they're cool.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:49 AM
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The testing and tutoring center followed the same rules???!!!!!??!?!?! WHAT THE FUCK?!! I've seen similar events and choices but only for extras. THE TESTING AND TUTORING CENTERS ARE FUNDAMENTAL EDUCATIONAL RESOURCES!!! THEY ARE NOT EXTRA!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:38 AM
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I'd wager it's a combination of bot spamming and negativity bias. Cat calls are rare, but people might launder it for years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:36 AM
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"trans men are men! unless it's a women's and non-binary only event"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:35 AM
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I see the point, though. A lot of these types of events are advocated for by true believer students who usually enmesh into student orgs. But the university also enables/encourages it. The university should definitely pay. Students... paying would be pretty rough, but I don't really know how to actually reprimand students in a mild way to say "don't do that shit."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:33 AM
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problem, Title IX is hyper ineffectual for everyone, let alone men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:30 AM
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As someone that has seen dozens of these events... not the masc presenting non-binary students... unless they're friends of the organizer xD.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:29 AM
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I'd contest the IRL feminist claim, mainly because that's largely your median feminist which is just... too dumb to be consistent. But I will agree that marxist feminists tend to be much better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:25 AM
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university inclusion events are so funny to me. It's basically just "women and spicy femmes only." I've seen it so many times and every time it's the same. Malicious compliance is assholey but man... it's deserved xD. Also, if you can't exercise without being significantly uncomfortable, what you need is a counselor, (usually very accessible on universities), not a sex segregated space. Literally the exact same logic as Jim Crow.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 03:24 AM
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Okay, so you'll get lots of downvotes because you affirmed "patriarchy." People here, for fair reasons, do not like that framing because they associate it far more with anti-men "men are oppressor" beliefs. But what you actually detail is a far more well rounded definition that actually fully points to the unfair subjugation and disposal of men. I've heard people use the term "gynocracy" or "gynocentrism" or something similar to describe that, where actually the system revolves around a degree o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 03:50 PM
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I'm not usually one to get like.. mad over things. But femicide as a talking point beyond "sometimes some women are killed in degrading ways" always frustrates me. It is one of the most bastardized nothingburgers in criminology all used as a cudgel against men writ large. Like wow I should be petrified over the... few hundred "femicides"... Wow I should live life in fear on behalf of women and despise other men because... a few hundred women are killed in disgusting ways.... Big whoop, that's ba…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/26 04:01 AM
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Ish. We have research on false rape accusations in legal and IPV contexts. Intent has not been measured AFAIK. But also, it's very reasonable to say "some women at some point have lied about rape for attention," because "never say never." The question just sucks because of that issue. It is objectively true by that never say never axiom, but it can be read a dozen different contradictory ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 04:13 PM
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The better way of seeing these things is that most changes happen because of one or two true believers and a bunch of people just not rocking the boat. So it kind of meshes conspiratorial and "things are unintended" theories. There are absolutely people with an axe to grind causing large shifts, but those large shifts occur within ignorant groups, leading to unintended outcomes. edit: to be fair, there is strong evidence that anti-male feminism has been highly funded by the CIA. So there is a st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 04:00 PM
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Nope, no examples. They don't even publish their full survey in the Supplementary materials. Yay. They cite "formative work" that they previously published as their survey design, but uh... the study is nowhere to be found... even on the authors personal pages... Weeooo Weeoo Weeooo 🚨. I do agree that many of these could (key word there, could) be fairly scummy behavior. Not force, not rape, but scummy. in the SM they did perform an exploratory and confirmatory factor analysis that very clearly …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 03:58 PM
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function SurveyResult() { EvilRapistCounter = 0; for(i = 0; i < answers.length; i++) {if(answers[i]) EvilRapistCounter++} return EvilRapistCounter >= 1 }
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 02:36 PM
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It's well worth reading work by early 1900 Central and eastern European marxist feminists like Rosa Luxembourg and Clara Zetkin. They 100% called what you outline. Engels called it out too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 02:25 PM
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So, small correction, or atleast clarification. It is true that "Of the final sample of 2,689 men, 95.1% reported having recently used at least one of the strategies to force a woman to have sex." That does claim that 95% is valid for "having answered NOT never at least once." The clarification is that most of these are not force nor rape. Mildly coercive? maybe depending on interpretation. But of the one's actually defining rape and sexual assault, yeah, consistently 80-95% of men never used th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 02:19 PM
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So I notice some narrative stuff in responses to you that I'd like to clarify/correct. The study obtained a US and Canada-based community sample of men[1]. "Of the final sample of 2,689 men, 95.1% reported having recently used at least one of the strategies to force a woman to have sex." That does legitimately look bad. Now, what are the strategies? See Table 2. Do you genuinely believe that "telling her what she wanted to hear," is "forcing" her to have sex? Is asking multiple times "forcing"? …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 02:10 PM
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Maybe. I doubt there will be a wholesale shift, there's just so much political weight behind shutting down "Men's Rights" stuff that I doubt I'll ever see a complete change in the paradigm. But, I have noticed improvements through time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 03:39 AM
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ah.. Masters. I hate when my gut feeling is right. Seeing a bit more of their perspective, I just sigh. Yes, there is a genuine open question about how loneliness relates to attitudes and behaviors towards women (critical distinction, btw). There is a lot of messy work to be done there, and given the research done by Susie Bennett and others, open ended studies tend to find pretty interesting and different results. However, the subject matter of their study, coupled with the quality of the study…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 11:13 PM
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"you should just know!" "take a hint!" There was, in fact, hints for the opposite. She, in fact, also didn't know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 08:58 PM
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exactly xD. Almost like! So, as for a survey on a social media board, it could work in certain contexts. Their RO did appear to focus on "male online groups," so the survey population would not need to be representative of broader humanity, but of male online groups.... The problem is that who responds to online survey's, especially in circumstances such as the above, can be biased and that should be taken into account. Putting such a survey on a space like this wouldn't inherently introduce bia…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 07:52 PM
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That is fair. But I'm biased because I actively sought out quantitative research methods outside of my field because I actually cared about doing the right thing, so I tend to think that's a normal thing to do xD. LLM analysis is very promising though, especially for semantic research. They're very good at catching the "vibes of words" and condensing it into a concise description.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 07:08 PM
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I do really wonder why so many studies are averse to essay surveys, especially for these prospective, complex topics. The analysis, especially with LLM's being ubiquitous and expanding on existing methods, is really not that hard with good planning and rules. I feel like if you do "yes/no/maybe" and "strongly disagree-strongly agree" question scales, you MUST spend a mountain of time nailing those questions, which I don't believe the author has done. The analysis for that data is stupid easy, li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 06:51 PM
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I'll put on my advisor hat for these specific questions. I'm even going to be favorable to their position. I will use "you" to refer to the author. RO. "relationship between male online groups and attitudes toward violence against women.” Purely observational. This is fine to want, but what is the actual purpose? This is the objective, yes, but what do you want to actually find? Relationships are fine and all, but what is the point of a relationship without inference? That is a part of your obje…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/26 06:42 PM
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Fuck my life I realized I mistook you for the person you were replying to :facepalm:. Blue default pfps with names I didn't really stare closely at. I got confused about your argument because of that because it seems contradictory and abrasive. That's 100% my bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 07:06 PM
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A bailey-motte argument xD. Claim it's the small, specific motte, but it's actually the much broader bailey.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 02:36 PM
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Hey, so I just want to make a suggestion. You appear to comment a lot and consistently get dogpiled on. I'd strongly suggest to take a more cordial approach to your comments. People here genuinely really appreciate well reasoned, considerate disagreement. I also believe this will make your arguments stronger. I find I start to struggle understanding what you're saying about halfway through your comments. A lot of that is because you tend to bounce from grievance to grievance with little flow. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 02:35 PM
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Dude, it's so fucking lazy to just copy paste a LLM response xD 2. It is literally doing the thing feminists do, where it strawman's straus's argument. It asserts that the paper relies on the CTS, it objectively does not. It cites a mountain of evidence, only about a dozen use CTS. It then uses that lie to argue that "context is missing." It is not, when paired with other studies that clearly show the reasons for IPV, which consistently are not self-defense. It then acts like the claim is "viole…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 05:07 AM
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I have really wondered why "boys sending nudes" is such a phenomenon, especially one that sextortion specifically leverages. Surely shaming of male sexuality influences it. I can totally see the logic of "I cannot express sexuality IRL, on my phone I am allowed to, therefore I can..." and it goes from there. Hell, I totally see that because I've noticed similar threads in my life and relationship with sexuality xD. But I wonder what other things influence it... Like does cultural expectations to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 04:56 AM
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The only issue is that I doubt she would identify herself as someone that teaches boys to laugh and dismiss being raped.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/26 04:09 AM
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I feel like a class on 1500-1800 philosophy would do OP some good. There's a LOT of really interesting philosophical back and forth that highly complicates his description of how men effected change. Hell, the US's founding, a notable successful revolution was largely influenced by secular and pacifist, enlightenment thinkers, as well as the romantics shortly thereafter. It is a microcosm of "was violence how men expressed their grievances?" Tangent, the more I read these types of conversations,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 05:22 AM
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I know there's some editorializing going on in the article, but I want to draw attention to this piece about her inspiration On the train she took to school, the suited men on board, who were around the same age as her father, would browse magazines and sports newspapers with racy images of gravure idols and sexual articles. These men who were probably thought of as good husbands and fathers at home, or as valuable members of society, were openly reading this kind of material on their commute. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 05:05 AM
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I've written, erased, and rewritten my response to you multiple times now. There's so much yet so little to say. I would strongly recommend you to read over your first eight paragraphs and rethink it. There's this major theme of "feminism is a knowledge system built because of an inability to enact violence, while men have not had that constraint." What does this have to do with feminism being a beliefs generated by women that has little benefit to men? That's at least what I think your thesis i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:57 AM
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Wives exercised parental rights. Mothers sent their boys to war. Female community member enforced social sanctions again men who violated norms. Women served on juries that convicted victims of domestic violence. Both of our comments are true. At different times, they were at different relative influences. There is something to be said about the community maintenance of overarching power structures. It is ridiculous to pretend that the powerful exist in a total bubble, insulated from the public.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:41 AM
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Crazy how a 98% gender bias is treated as "people/children"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/26 04:18 AM
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I try to position myself in conversations as the most progressive person there, but not one of THOSE progressive people. It sort of reclaims the term/moves the overton window at the conversation level. At some points I've used the label "radical egalitarian," but idk, something about it is missing something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 04:43 AM
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One day feminist talking heads will understand the difference between social reprimand and government policing. It's baffling we even have to say, "do you realize that being told to not do something is different from being forced to not do something, right?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 04:37 AM
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Even in a mid level town, third spaces are abundant. A rural town in the plains will be tough, but they were always tough. If I wanted to I could go to multiple events every night here. That would destroy me mentally though xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/26 04:32 AM
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dogs, cats, birds, guitars, all wonderful things
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 11:22 PM
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They don't like it when you do their spin on that stat though. "the vast majority of violence against women is by friends and partners... maybe they should choose better..." OFC that's not how violence works. They don't seem to recognize that when it comes to stranger danger
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 02:14 PM
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I would flip the language. Something like "the quality of life of the baby about to be aborted outweighs the women's right to choose."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 02:12 PM
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Given reciprocal violence is the most common form of relationship violence, I wonder if the mechanism behind the higher DV rates, in the event that it is actually because they were hurt in prior relationships with men, is that the higher likelihood of lesbians being violent, they harmed their male partner who then reciprocated. This gets marked down as only "violence against a lesbian woman." On the opposite side, men being less violent in relationships, means fewer reciprocally violent situatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 02:07 PM
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agreed. That's largely why I tried putting it into a spectrum in my comment. Where it's a bunch of sliders of different "male in power" archetypes lol. And yeah it has no definition. Patriarchy "theory" is probably one of the most egregious examples of a theory used to project personal biases onto.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 02:01 PM
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I've noticed this a lot. I know for me, once I shifted my mentality to "what does a given person (woman in the context of dating) bring to my life?" I really noticed more negativity coming from women and feminists. There is still this expectation that "being a healthy man" still requires a naive and actively self-harming benevolent sexism towards women. Meanwhile if I talk with other struggling men, it naturally leads to the conclusion, "you need to chill out on getting a partner." So many probl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/26 01:58 PM
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I've wondered about how our current system is more of a patriarchy than we probably think it is, but also less of a patriarchy than we think it is. Like, yeah, if men really wanted to, they absolutely could turn most nations into a prison state against women. That's a point for patriarchy. But also, it's that men basically don't do this, and in the west, actively work against it (even going as far to outright ban imprisoning young girls for any crime). That's a point against patriarchy. I tend t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 06:43 PM
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TFW I grew up during the height of "you can't do microaggressions because it bleeds into policy and implicit bias," only to realize those people view men as perpetual suspects and now some are proposing policy to enshrine that...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 06:37 PM
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agreed. I do see potential in emphasizing that oligarchs use gender norms as a tool, not as a state of being. What I was leaning towards was a term like Oligarchy that treats "oligarchy with gendered pieces" as separate. But what you mention might be more usable in most contexts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 04:56 PM
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exactly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 04:55 PM
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after all, they already want to do it out of fear! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 03:43 PM
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I will say there is something to their point, even if phrased horrendously (or thought of in a poor way). There are, undeniably some gendered aspects to some of these issues. However, as we clearly recognize here, it goes both ways. I do wonder how to properly package this "oligarchy with gendered elements" system into something catchy. I've read the goofy term "Kyriarchy," but even that significantly downplays the influence of power that "oligarchy" invokes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 03:41 PM
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I spent this morning reading it thoroughly to really see if it was satire. I don't think it is, but I'll be glad to be wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:40 PM
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You see, that assumes these people actually care about protecting women, when really, violence against women and girls is a market.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:09 PM
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And they will gladly say "It's proportional!!!!" when it is clearly not. I frankly hate that it's those people that make me have to marginally defend the right. I HATE conservatives. There are just so so many issues with many mainstream conservative beliefs. But sometimes I have to look at leftists and go "are you fucking insane?!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:08 PM
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"whom" assumes they have better than 6th grade literacy xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:06 PM
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As already indicated[,] many readers will believe that the rights of men outweigh the right of protection for women I think any sane person would believe this lol. Yes, the state has a duty to protect. But it also has a duty to maintain rights and freedoms. Freedom of movement is one of the most base level rights to protect. Actively restricting movement damages people in countless ways and is absolutely worse than the status quo. He argues that the self imposed restriction of women's movement i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/26 02:04 PM
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That made me form a funny thought. The controlled opposition (the democrats) has their own controlled opposition (Andrew Tate). It's controlled opposition the entire way down! I do wonder how much engagement farming through Tates and the like is fundamental to the modern US democrat infrastructure. Like, is it genuinely so load bearing that they cannot possibly survive without it? Probably lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 11:43 PM
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yeah I need to get better at asking for referrals. It's probably the only actively good way to get dates and partners in this day and age.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 11:40 PM
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That's all fair. It's all very nebulous haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 06:46 PM
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I guess I should clarify, if any person that has been harmed of socialized in certain ways has a degree of internal caution towards certain people, it is understandable why they feel the way they do. That does not make it remotely reasonable or justified. The reason I give this "understandable vs reasonable" distinction is that that the unreasonable can maybe validate their concerns with understanding, but then direct their efforts into more reasonable avenues. It, can (somewhat evidence based, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 05:28 PM
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It may or may not be understandable given the person. That doesn't justify it, though. There is a distinction between "I understand," and "I endorse," and I, erroneously, assumed that would have been more understood. Like, yeah, someone that's been severely harmed by someone is going to be... reactive to it. I get it. What matters is what they do with it. And anything that harms other people is a complete non-starter for me. I have a one liner that is "I didn't grow up hearing about how evil mic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 04:38 PM
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I agree there. That is where "understanding" stops, imo. And even then, some caution about men is flatly not understandable. "If" is doing a lot in my parenthetical lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 04:27 PM
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One of my personal favorite snarks is "the red-pill/MGTOW/manosphere/etc always comes to collect. It's just a matter of when." There's enough pathways to naturally bring men to those spaces, all it takes is a kick in the ass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 02:58 PM
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I've had a fun time looking at the comments of feminists that say "go to therapy" as a cudgel. Most are very very clearly either 1. not going to therapy 2. going to a therapist that enables their dysfunctions 3. extremely selective in what they talk to their therapist about. Almost every single one I've seen is trying to justify some insane dysfunction that no therapist worth their salt would entertain, and of course, it's a dysfunction that is part of the feminist narrative. Best example is ext…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/26 02:52 PM
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People outright calling him gay (crossdressing != gay), then making fun of him for that. That's the most common I've seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 03:25 PM
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But that's the thing, they have little to no problem with the radical feminist part... yet they argue that TERFs aren't feminists (not real feminists TM C R). They like the bioessentialist feminism, but won't admit to it being feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 03:22 PM
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people do, and it is valid to point out the hypocrisy. But it is not valid to shame the kink. It is not valid to be homophobic. What we're commenting on is people moving away from pointing out the hypocrisy to more toxic shaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/26 03:16 PM
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I echo most of your points. I will say, one thing I notice is what I'd call the "You'd make such a good partner, but not for me" effect. This is basically where a guy has a lot of the skills for a good partner, but that isn't what others are looking for. For atleast three decades we've highly focused on how men can be good partners. We promise that women will surely love them for it. But then they learn that isn't what women are looking for. They've been fed a lie. * Now, being fed a lie your wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 10:57 PM
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It pisses me off so much that MeToo's slogan became "believe women," and not "support victims," or something similar. And I cynically want to believe that was deliberate, but it could just be an emergent outcome.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 08:18 PM
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I never really considered "patriarchy" as a deep state theory. But now that you mention it, yeah that's a valid thesis. Yet, I still feel weird about just banning users that invoke patriarchy. I have to think a lot more on why that is. Thank you for doing your dialectal duty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 01:31 PM
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I've started a habit where if I see a post heavily downvoted that I find valuable, I write a comment to it acknowledging the valid pieces while pushing back on some of the iffy spots. I find I tend to get a lot of upvotes for doing that, and it does validate their heavily downvoted comment, I hope they see that their comment could be phrased better, but is valuable. It diffuses a lot of the discussion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/26 01:26 PM
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(I had to run with the joke xD)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:44 PM
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no
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:43 PM
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I will admit that... yeah a little. Not that it's a bad thing really. She's a fairly prominent "professional," that consistently says things that us in this sub find super hypocritical/ actively harmful. A little bit of low hanging fruit? yeah. But it is what it is. Still lends itself to good discussion and a better overall thesis on these issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:43 PM
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I've had the idea but not the time to go through and do a "who said this, red piller or ana psychology?" post lol. She is just so flagrantly cakist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:36 PM
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I can't express how much I love this lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:32 PM
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I strongly remember a multi week set of assignments I had in undergrad that was to read a bunch of different works and analyze them with a bunch of different lenses. The notable ones were marxist, feminist, romantic, enlightnment, and I can't remember the last one. Reading your essay here made me realize that you are using a lens that I had not considered as one. It genuinely brings a lot to the discussion. Thank you for the write up
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/26 02:31 PM
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I would argue that every "sitcom dad" trope is a manifestation of some conservative "masculine identity." There's a lot of those tropes! I only think people view conservative masculinity as hyper-narrow because of recent internet discourses. Like yeah, the online popular right is very narrow, but they do not represent the actual lives of conservative men. While for the left... honestly the only "vision" of a man is a modern John Lennon hippie or a confident-bordering-arrogant self hating men (se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 11:31 PM
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I think there is something to this. Like, conservative women absolutely can and do falsely accuse. Their rationalizations may differ a lot, but at the end of the day, it is the same incentive structure. But also, it is not unreasonable to expect there to be a bias between who does the accusations and the impact of said accusations. I can see arguments going both ways there though. Thanks for performing your dialectal duty haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 05:40 PM
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I had to deal with constant threats of it. When things eventually exploded between me and her, it didn't seem to get out of control, but I do vividly remember trying to seek help from friend staff members ( I was an undergrad senior) and them saying they would not do anything unless she came up to them and reported me. And keep in mind, I was basically the golden child of that department. Heavy club involvement. Friends with basically the entire class and faculty. 4.0 and an unholy amount of cre…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 02:11 PM
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Tangent: A lot of long lived animal species (I know this most often in birds of prey) parents consistently throw away their children when push comes to shove. It is that (implicit, anthropomorphized) calculus of "if I die, so do they, and now there are no more chances, If they die, RIP, but I can go again."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/26 03:58 AM
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I do generally agree there. I think it's just a miscommunication issue. There's this implied "you posted Quillette therefore you are wrong," argument. But it's cool, we probably have the same perspective on it. The source sucks, the primary sources linked within are fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 06:37 PM
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yeah that's my critique of this post. There are genuine contextual differences that make one more of a poor soul and the other as more of a hero. Now, do I think a woman doing the same thing as Peretti did would still be called a poor soul (not heroic)? Yeah. It probably would happen that way. And it is safe to say that regardless of the contextual difference, there is still a gender norm being perpetuated, which we should at least be cognizant of. And ofc, because I'm a fucking nerd, I have to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 02:18 PM
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I'd say I'm more on the "sympathetic to feminism" side of this sub. To be abundantly clear, what nations such as yours "need" (in my opinion and value system) is a movement to raise up women and men into an egalitarian society. Feminism is a movement to raise up women into a more egalitarian society. Note what is different between those sentences. This means, to me, that feminism is useful in the specific context of raising up women to get more egalitarian. It is NOT useful is achieving an egali…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 02:12 PM
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It really is a dialogue tree. It's so easy to predict the next argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 02:01 PM
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A completely valid critique. There honestly isn't a one size fits all solution for oneself. All we can do is find a way to not fall into doom and despair while staying justifiably frustrated at the problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/26 01:59 PM
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Tangent, I'm like 90% confident that IRL horrendous women do orders of magnitude more damage to men's opinions of women than online discourse. It's just the online discourse echos and maintains focus on those IRL women, which means every horrible IRL woman mentally occurs sequentially, rather than sporadically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 11:21 PM
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To start, it's very in your interest to limit the scrolling and replying to randos you actively disagree with on reality. I was literally wasting 4 hours a day (on instagram) doing that shit driving myself mad, so limited my instagram usage to how much I need on average to text my friends, send a funny reel or two, and that's all. Mental health is much better. The short could have been reporting on a specific finding in a study, but I have seen enough sci-comm to know they likely bastardized the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 11:15 PM
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Yes, but calling them bots can sometimes make it easier to not despair haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 11:04 PM
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I grew up on Ifunny and eventually reached a point where I could not see conservatives, especially radical conservatives, as people with any level of rationality. Three years ago, I hit that point with misandrists. It is genuinely impossible. ATP my only interactions with them are speaking past them with basic unignorable facts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 11:03 PM
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you could idk... just go to the primary sources they cite lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 11:01 PM
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I guess what makes me more unique is that I don’t prioritise group cohesion or group harmony. I’m radically prioritising accuracy and clear ethics over group harmony. I think that's very admirable and something that not very many people recognize when someone is doing that. I'm somewhat similar and it has hit similar walls. It hit me hard to be honest when you told me I don’t seem to re-integrate info. I take that pretty seriously. I guess you held a mirror in front of me and it was pretty painf…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 05:39 PM
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Do you know of "Innuendo Studios"? He has this series called the "alt-right playbook" and it's fascinating to see how these more radical wings of the left do the same things. One specifically discusses what you do, where people with incompatible views come together to fight against "The Other."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 04:07 PM
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This all is fair and I understand. I do want to hone in on one small piece. On the bell hooks example; you’re pointing to issues with some of her empirical claims or generalizations, which is fair. But I was always making a different point: that her framework (patriarchy as a system shaping both men and women) often gets conflated with how feminist rhetoric is used in practice. I’m not defending how it’s used in practice. I’m defending how I believe hooks meant it. I think most male readers AND …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/26 04:04 PM
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One of the most harrowing depictions of the horror of war is illustrated beautifully in 1914's "the blind leading the blind." There's a song in there (I don't know song titles because I listen to albums and don't pay super close attention) that is basically this actual recording of a soldiers experience killing a soldier in the trenches over a backing and leading into ripping black metal. "experience" might be wrong. It's his conversation with the dead soldier. It brings me to tears every goddam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 11:16 PM
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Exactly. I guess a shoddy hypothesis to build from that is "left wing and right wing forms of masculinity constrain acceptable 'models' of masculinity and community acceptance. However, right wing forms have more socially awarded models. This could garner more acceptance among men, despite being restrictive."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:46 PM
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It's cool. Happens. It's now abundantly clear to me what you meant, thanks for the clarification.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:42 PM
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That's fair. I was reading it more in the "men are just born this way" context that rubbed me the wrong way. But this clarifies things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:41 PM
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My two cents on your place within this sub is that some people are genuinely too harsh on you. There are people here who have a reflexive disdain for feminism that is unproductive. But also, there are many people who do engage in good faith with you (even when you're not being good faith). A great example is this interaction """ I disagree. """ It was a matter of fact. Your disagreement in that instance was denying the reality of those people you specifically were inspired by. That alone really …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:39 PM
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So, I liked your comment because it is a valid critique (that I disagree with somewhat) and I think it shifts to a more fruitful conversation (as I like to say, it performs its dialectal duty). I think the crux is that without a rigid definition it makes feminism somewhat immune from criticism. If you criticize a suite of toxic behaviors common within feminist spaces, it naturally gets met with "that's not true feminism."* This is similar in science, where without a solid, falsifiable hypothesis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 04:06 PM
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lol. "newer feminism was able to critize[sic] that." Sure, they were able to say "TERFs are mean." But they actively said TERFs aren't feminists. TERFs completely took over feminism in the UK. Other feminists were completely unwilling to acknowledge how bio-essentialism manifests in their entire movement. I will give credit where it is due. It's good that some feminists were able to say "TERFs are bad." But I will not pretend that is hard hitting criticism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 03:50 PM
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My only issue with your take is that it seems to take historically male gender roles and argues that they just are appealing. It sort of tends into an existentialist POV. IMO, the reason men are more likely to gravitate towards the conservative version of masculinity is because 1. it provides reciprocal in group support 2. it provides a "positive" view of oneself. To be a man in a left wing space is to openly accept that who you are, what you do, etc does not matter. You will always need to sacr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/26 05:03 AM
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My short, intellectually simple explanation is "people don't give a shit about men, and they will disregard reality to justify that." My longer answer is that the "men are evil effect" (more commonly the "women are wonderful effect") combines with large political movements to push awareness and condemnation of broader "patriarchy." A "symptom" they like to attribute to that patriarchy is VAWG. VAMB is a very notable crack in their theory of patriarchy, especially if perpetrated by women. I can o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/26 04:09 AM
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It's INSANE how many of them considered petite women pedo bait and the men that like them as actively pedophilic.... "body positivity" my ass
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 01:43 PM
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oh no, is it time to bust out the 'P'rogressive 'p'rogressive distinction?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/26 03:30 AM
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That is another reason Finland is on the mind haha. Their metal scene is outrageously good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 10:00 PM
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Indeed, although it's optimistic to say they realize their position is invalid lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 09:59 PM
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My main thinking is on education. They seem a decent bit more progressive on that front (although I may be a decade out of date considering I'm basing this off a handful of books I read a few years ago lol). Noita is so peak haha
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 01:46 PM
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So, I am a bit confused. Because I usually see the argument *after there's some broadly applied fear/hatred of men and violence that they double down with "it's statistics"* that "if statistics are what govern your life, then you would be significantly more afraid of black men and the men you already know." I've seen similar permutations of that argument. The purpose is to call out their cherry picking and to call out the hypocrisy of lumping all men together whilst being all mad about the same …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/26 01:44 PM
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Finland is so strange. It's like simultaneously more conservative and more progressive than Sweden and Norway. And it somehow produces and unholy number of rally car racers and psychopathic video games lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 11:22 PM
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The "the draft ended ages ago" thing is also so stupid. My UNCLE was drafted in Vietnam. My grandfather's best friend was drafted in WW2.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 11:20 PM
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Bang on. I've somewhat recently fully internalized that many of these feminists are anti-reality. I came to that largely because I've had a crazy streak of stating basic facts that demonstrate men are systemically oppressed in very overt ways and that some of those oppressive systems are the direct result of feminism, and then being met with outright refusal to entertain them. And it's like, bro, there is no arguing this at this point. I just stated a list of facts! They seem completely averse t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/26 01:41 PM
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I wouldn't be shocked if there is xD I've read so many different books I don't remember off the top of my head and it is sort of a natural conclusion from "humans just are, for better and worse," which I tend to get from my more ecology focused mindset of seeing living beings and processes as just entities that we ascribe value to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 02:07 PM
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Yeah... To be clear, there's pretty scant statistical evidence for my claim there, but I have lived in, by, among, etc so many of these communities and read personal essays from many in these communities and violence by women comes up a disturbing about of times, usually in passing because they don't realize the damage. I find that most people, but in this case, feminists, really like to take a subset of facts and draw wide conclusions. For example, yes, many of these are matrilineal and allow m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 02:04 PM
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exactly. It's really important and great to learn about these cultures. There is a lot of genuine good to pull from and it's fascinating to see the patterns across groups. But that's the thing, when you learn about cultures, sometimes it gets a little gross. That's fine. Humans are human. Erasing the gross robs them of their humanity, tbh.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 01:56 PM
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My short answer to "can this harm men" is "socialism, in a perfect world, can properly emancipate everyone. But I know our current political climate will make that basically impossible, regardless of who takes the reigns."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 05:15 AM
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If anything men are often too good at doing this because many times men take responsibility for things that are not their responsibility!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 03:34 AM
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Side tangent. I've looked into some of the "matriarchies" that feminists oh so love to speak about (namely the Minangkabau, Cherokee, Iroquois, and Navajo). It is clear that the pro matriarchy feminists cherry pick to a degree that is beyond parody. Each one of those communities has MASSIVE issues with domestic violence against men. Each one uses their men as the sole providers (but without any protections. I.e. flagrant exploitation). They are not the kum ba yah equality utopias that feminists …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 03:33 AM
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I recently learned that Engels outright wrote about how some feminist values can turn into misattributing the suffering of the working class to men and not the bourg. Other's around his time wrote similar. And we've seen it play out exactly like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/26 03:24 AM
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I'd say -ish. It is true that manosphere content is algorithmically boosted because it gathers a lot of engagement. That reinforces itself into it's own "matrix." This wasn't a deliberate decision by the creators. Some exploit it, but the fault lies squarely on social media. But the thing that Theroux doesn't acknowledge is that the exact same can be said for other social media sub-communities. Breadtube is a great example. These are all a "Matrix (TM)." And what the manosphere defines as "The M…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 10:26 PM
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It does not. I found one of my old comments on just this topic doing a back of the envelope calc ~ 36,000 men die by suicide each year in the US. 20% of those are directly from relationship issues. That leaves 7200 men committing suicide because of relationship issues. OFC, some were abusive, so what percent of that 7200 would NOT be abusive in order to be equivalent to women killed by intimate partners a year. The highest estimates in the US end up at ~2,500. So only 35% would have to not be ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/26 03:50 AM
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That's where I personally stand on it. Discrimination is bad, period. I'm more so talking at a more meta level.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 09:10 PM
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I do really wonder how much of modern mainstream feminism is the result of oligarchical pushes. Because on one hand, yeah, they are a HUGE agent of socialization that does drive behavior. But also...it's also not like some oligarchs burnt through all their goodwill through bad PR (see, the current democratic party). That socialization still requires a seed to sprout from and maintenance. That suggests there are more interpersonal forces driving the rise and distortion of feminism. Your comment o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 01:56 PM
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Your story is very similar. Went into college as intersectional feminist (despite living my whole life in a very conservative town). Went into it with an open mind but also down playing my maleness. But, made a friend, I fell for her, but then she started doing really toxic things. I had ZERO conception on how to enforce boundaries, so I would tell her something she did hurt me, try to work out a compromise, then I'd do nothing about it. This ofc lead to me eroding every single one of my boundar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 01:51 PM
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I honestly don't differentiate between the two. If I was writing a piece and was told to consider which one I use, I'd say activists are a bit more radical and more likely to go out and actually do something, but that's kind of just me making up something on a vibe.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 01:39 PM
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The intersectional feminist to blah-pill pipeline is so real xD I'm probably fairly blackpilled after being very Intersectional Feminist TM. Still very progressive. Still egalitarian. But I definitely have some doomerism because of my experience in Intersectional Feminism spaces.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 04:14 AM
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I've wondered if there is a strategy as a nobody to be inflammatory rage-baity, but to signal boost good activism like TheTinMen. I have no clue if there is, but I've wondered if there is some weird feedback where it could work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/26 04:09 AM
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It's basically the same thought process. It is a signal to their base to care about this headline. Just one is more trying to garner sympathy while the other is trying to stoke fear based confirmation bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 07:15 PM
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Yeah the gap is not remotely as large as people think it is. I've done similar back of the napkin calculations to get at the actual number of men killed by partners. And yeah, vanishingly few places actually give that number but throw a wall of "30% of women killed are by an intimate partner!" at you. Most solid estimates I've seen is that given someone was murdered by an intimate partner\*, the ratio of male victims to female victims is around 40:60, depending on a lot of other factors of cours…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 07:14 PM
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A pretty decent video. The dude is very relatable. Recently I've taken to just saying "the notion of 'man' is a prison we must destroy." Part of why I say this is because "man" is basically defined as this fundamental contradiction of being a very well adjusted person without any of the behaviors of an actually well adjusted person. Plus, we want everyone to be responsible, accountable, strong, supportive, etc. The fact these traits are associated with "man" is a disservice to everyone. And I th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 06:47 PM
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These writers are smart enough to know what including the woman officers name means. Any good writer would tell you to cut her name because if you're already making a reference to a known group of people, including a singular name is uninformative. That is, if the information you want is the facts of the case, not whether we should feel bad a singular person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 06:23 PM
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The other aspect is that when men open up they basically have to already be over it. If they are in crisis, it can get read as manipulative which will only blow you up more. The insecurity must be vague aesthetic of turmoil, not the realization of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 06:20 PM
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I will say that there are some details that make me more inclined to say "yeah he maybe did most of these things." But also, I really don't care. The dude is dead. His efforts were more about the movement than him. Oh wow powerful person may have behaved like shit. sky is blue. Given how these have been boosted (meanwhile, say, the accusations against Joe Biden were buried), I suspect it's to quell growing support for latino communities and especially labor movements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 05:08 AM
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In their (minor) defense, there is lots of evidence that SEVERE domestic violence (murder, felony assault, etc) does tend to be perpetrated by men towards women. Now ofc, severe domestic violence is a small minority of DV. Those severe acts are generally even more rare in young populations. As far as their last sentence suggesting boys have a lower threshold for what they consider violence... 1. that shouldn't be a question in the first place given good study design (lol)2. is completely out of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 05:00 AM
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oh no xD I got linked elsewhere? In that case, I will further clarify for visitors. This is specifically an abrasive framing of a handful of facts. In many jurisdictions, rape is defined exclusively so that only penetrating can be rape. Made to penetrate is often times excluded. Naturally, given anatomy, this strongly biases the recognition of rape towards "it's something men do to women," while omitting women that rape. Or, put another, abrasive way, "society actually acknowledges women can be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/26 04:50 AM
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Is discrimination against people based on immutable traits bad or not? Is discrimination required in order to uplift certain people? Is it dismissal to answer "yes it's bad, no it's not required?" Acknowledging that men are discriminated against in certain ways does NOT dismiss history nor does it dismiss people's experiences. It's a basic statement about reality. It's not saying something didnt happen. It's not placing a judgement on anyone else's claims. Either of those could be dismissive. Bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 05:06 PM
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Thank you, that helps, but I'm still not sure what it means for your arguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 02:08 PM
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Huh, I did not expect such downvotes for your comment lol. Because like, yeah, I think most people would like to teach their kid the skill of learning. Most people here I would wager would like that, especially because a lot of our stances come from that process of actually knowing how to learn and integrate information. Maybe it's just one of those "read the room" moments? IDK I'm bad with social cues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 02:07 PM
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You've said "reasons and results are not the same," multiple times. But I have still have 0 clue what you actually mean by that, and it seems everyone else is in the same boat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 01:58 PM
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Well, the most obvious counter example to you is the Duluth model. It is a feminist model of law enforcement and DV mitigation that any push back on leads to insane walls of justifications and threats to use it against you. It doesn't really get more obviously systemically misandrist than that. It is fair to say that some of the lack of support for men's issues is because of lower campaigning. Men's benevolent sexism towards women is a notable barrier to solidarity amongst men. But there is also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 01:52 PM
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6. Their understanding of masculinity is not the toxic masculinity of the manosphere. When asked if “being a man requires a willingness to sacrifice for others,” and whether “manhood involves strength, responsibility, and leadership,” 89% of young men endorse the first statement, and 85% endorse the second statement. They don't really define what "toxic masculinity" actually looks like, so their main claim here is just not supported. Hell, I personally find both statements objectionable as descr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/26 12:34 AM
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Usually it's after the other person has denied multiple basic facts and started attacking me personally. Abrasiveness is already on the table. If you said "at least some men get social support and maybe even justice" you'd be, by and large, wrong. You would (rightfully) get push back on that. I doubt people on this sub would harass you in response. The same cannot be said in the reverse. "discrimination against women is so pervasive that you can use male victims to dismiss their abuse," can I? B…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 01:51 PM
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I'll also add that competitiveness in girls is generally rewarded in education. They are perceived as high achieving, independent, intelligent, etc. Meanwhile I built a default coping mechanism to downplay the effort I put in because I had to be straight A but also nonchalant lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 01:39 PM
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same. I'm totally down. The problem is I'm not going to sacrifice my ostensibly good life for someone that drains it. Way too many women in my age bracket are just... yikes...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 01:34 PM
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I've started cryptically saying "anti-feminism always comes to collect" when I'm talking with feminist men. Because that's the reality, it does. Oh you're a hot AF feminist guy that gets all the benefits without the drawbacks? Those drawbacks will come collect their debts in time. It will come in abusive relationships, toxic divorces, social ostracism, etc. If they argue against it I just tell them my story. I was exactly like them. I put feminism as this key part of my life and worked a ton to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 01:31 PM
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It is certainly in the schadenfreude category for me lol. I don't like them. They are dumb. But it is humorous that they are so blind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 07:13 PM
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My least favorite reply guy genre is "it's not about gender, it's about class" to criticize a person criticizing needless gendering, all to defend the needless gendering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 06:05 PM
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yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:50 PM
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That is fair. What makes me think what I think is he has covered topics I know a lot about well previously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 05:03 PM
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He generally has been a very good investigative journalist. Just recently he had a very good documentary showing how vile the neocon israelites are and how atrocious their behavior is towards palestine. This was quite a long time after his first documentary showcasing a similar story well before national media put some pressure on Israel. But as with all people, they can miss. And as we've seen so often, reasonably principled people seem to throw it out the window when it comes to men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 04:33 PM
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I'll be honest, the fear of "becoming a martyr" is a huge liberal bugaboo lol. Just see Charlie Kirk. Dude was a martyr for a week. Now no one cares besides obviously insane people. Sneako and Tate are even less likely to be martyred because they are not politically useful. Certain kinds of guys will be very angry but they'll pass. Hell, Andrew Tate has been a has-been for years at this point. It's the media that keeps digging up his corpse lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 04:14 PM
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It's certainly not their strong point. Whenever you bring up reduced lifespan, they gloss over the "must be from medical inequality" because they've been fed the narrative that (I'm being a bit hyperbolic here) "men are dumb brutes that make dumb decisions thus they die younger," and it becomes their singular node of belief.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:33 PM
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A simple overview (with linked primary resources) of some examples is found here https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1r4yyyk/comment/o5idjm9/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:28 PM
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I'm cynical and believe that The Media deliberately made shit ass men the face of the manosphere through selective framing, all to cause further division and increase their profits. Because yeah, NO ONE seriously wants Sneako and Andrew Tate to be the face of anything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:21 PM
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I'm in a similar skeptical boat as you, and I want to elaborate on my perspective. I'm glad these men want a minister for boys and men. Them being conservative doesn't change that. My concern is that conservatives usually become packaged with a lot of other garbage when it comes to boys and men. I can totally see pro minister conservatives wanting them to be a long arm of anti immigration policy and enforcement because of some "they're destroying my nuclear family and harming da women!" type bel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:16 PM
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It does make sense. The UK seems to be a hotbed of the worst anti-man feminism. It's TERF island because they view men as actively dangerous by original sin. They want to cut away at punitive criminal justice against women (whilst leaving men). The list goes on. It's basically (logically) impossible to not say men are actively discriminated against in the UK
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 02:12 PM
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You don't want to pay $200 a pound for a perfectly filtered former biohazard? misogynist!!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:08 AM
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and as a frame of reference, many of these statistics come up in peer reviewed research despite being definitively proven false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 12:07 AM
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And honestly, the most concise response to most of their statements is "men live 10 years less on average. 5 of those years MUST be from medical inequality"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 11:56 PM
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If you asked me "write a bulleted list of feminist blogosphere disinformation" I would produce that list. Each one takes a kernel of truth and RUNS. I'm just going to rebut with no sourcing because I do not have the time to piecemeal a high effort response to their low effort gish gallop. Period products were sporadically tested with real blood prior to 2023. It recently became standard in one company. This is because blood is very expensive, and water is less viscous, therefore, harder to manag…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 11:48 PM
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Same. I've been editing a potential post reflecting on how OCD may manifest in boys these days as a result of these cultural narratives. I know for me, I built these insane loops of self blame, worrying that I'm horrible or harming others, and that I'm subject to the "original sin." God, how I didn't clock myself as OCD when I woke up from a sexual dream about a friend, and instead of going "huh, that was weird" I had a full blown panic attack that I called them sobbing over
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 11:11 PM
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I also suspect a lot of it is that when discussing these types of issues, and iota of imprecision and vagueness can lead to INSANE responses and derailments. Most people don't have the training or experience to write precisely and concisely, so they naturally get wordier.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 11:06 PM
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Then actually say something
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 12:30 AM
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It is fascinating how those sex segregated spaces are 1. socially desired enough to justify their continued existence 2. Plainly showcase the social biases of those in charge
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 12:28 AM
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That's fair. Take the generally messy response to you like this. You are performing your dialectal duty xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 12:21 AM
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Thank you man. I've reached a place where I just see it as a thing that happened, unfortunately, but I've grown since it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/26 12:19 AM
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if it's any consolation, based on my socialization from parents, peers, etc, I only learned the concept of enforcing personal boundaries at 21. I had learned about personal boundaries, but enforcing them? Hell nah. And that was largely because no one cared. They would just use use and use. The only reason I learned, tbh, was because I broke. All those years of self sacrifice killed my soul
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 04:00 AM
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So, I understand where your concern comes from. And to a degree, I agree because we really should not fall into a trap of just being a "feminism bad" circle jerk. But Where I disagree is that I believe we have not fallen into that trap. Just in the last couple of days we talked about psychology as a profession, legal erasure of male victims, medical inequality, There is a genuine balance to strike between honoring how identity politics work while also acknowledging how class politics work. Somet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/26 03:51 AM
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Bro... You have to be the russian propagandist because it is flagrantly true Russia is conscripting soldiers lol. Discriminating on ethnicity is fuzzier, but it also bares little relevance to the broader point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 06:31 PM
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xD good catch. I do weird ass spelling mistakes sometimes and I rarely proofread my posts on reddit. It should have been "the people that don't find me interesting"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 06:29 PM
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unironically the most helpful "role model" for most boys these days would be a mediocre middle aged man that just finds joy with his lot in life with little care for what other's think of them or how they expect more than what he can provide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 06:23 PM
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It doesn't help that there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding from feminists on what men mean by "false accusations." These feminists tend to exclusively define it as "legal accusations of sexual assault that were 100% proven to be false." Meanwhile, I'd wager most men would define it as "any threat or actual behavior to accuse a man of any sort of impropriety against a woman, usually being sexual in nature." So 99% of the convo is just talking past each other. And then feminists double …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:40 PM
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Exactly. Like it's super easy to spin their findings to say "men actually love their wives."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:23 PM
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And keep in mind, the study found that men received REDUCED social support. It wasn't just losing their partner. It was being abandoned by others close to them. So pointing to "well my grandma had a thriving social life" is super tone deaf.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:20 PM
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I would say it's less "conservatives are in power thus they are positively helping men" and more "it's clear conservatives will stay in power if we do nothing about men, so we begrudingly start acting like we care."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 05:10 PM
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Yup. I will say your GPT prompt had a bit of leading, which I suspect made it more prone to giving the answer you wanted. But, I can't really fault that when your observations are true, and that chat GPT was fairly dead on with most of it's points. So yeah, maybe it's being a bit sycophantic, but it is still making valid arguments. The personal failure piece infuriates me frankly. Like, I can VERY easily say that the people that don't find me uninteresting are just incurious and therefore bad (s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/26 04:13 AM
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unironically the wikipedia pages for it are really good. They're written by a good batch of pros. It's technically math, but doesn't involve much of what most would consider "math" (arithmetic and algebra). The utility is that there are also aspects such as equilibriums, and feedbacks. So for example, "anti feminists" serve both positive and negative feedbacks with institutional feminists. We could look at feminists in a bubble and understand a lot. But the recent strong developments towards rad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 01:28 PM
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I found https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10321463/. This technically wouldn't be "et al," and this may not be the study the OP is referring to, but it checks a lot of similarities. side note, I went to google scholar and searched "Barry et al masculinity" and scrolled a bit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:35 AM
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I was initially very confused by your claim, especially has a person with background in general systems theory. But as you've explained further, you're pretty much dead on. "The System" is inherently a mosaic of many pieces that has an emergent property (e.g. criminalizing male victims of rape). I think where I disagree is in how "The System" can be defined. A lot of feminists are... well... poor thinkers so "The System" gets defined as "men." But then ofc they call women that call out the bs "p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:31 AM
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I've said something to the effect of "it's a privilege to even be acknowledged as a victim of rape," when I want to be abrasive. When they whine I just bring up how it's a fact male victims are basically entirely ignored (in many cases, outright criminalized), and that at least some women can get some social support and maybe even justice. Of course, the actual success rate of my rhetoric is tiny. Regardless, that type of phrasing really strongly probes at what you outline. Discrimination agains…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:16 AM
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*insert jester_dancing_infront_princess.jpg
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:06 AM
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I've noticed similar come up in so many different fields. Like I do some hobbyist coding and contributing, but if I do something wrong it's fire and brimstone upon me that I'm just a dumb failure... Meanwhile in reality they spent ten seconds looking at something that they didn't like or understand, probably because I didn't know what they wanted in the first place. That's just a thing that happens. So fucking be it. But nnnoooooo DEATH!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:03 AM
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Vague and moralized buzzwords are a huge pet peeve for me. Because they serve exactly what you mention. It becomes entirely defined by the observer and varies from person to person. And then their opinion is used as a cudgel to make you feel bad about yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 05:00 AM
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"I'm just a girl" makes me froth with rage if I'm not careful lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 04:54 AM
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Oh you like TV and reading? wow, such a strong empowered interesting woman! (we don't talk about men that do the same)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 04:54 AM
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I've had bouts of really wrapping my head around that. Because like, there have been plenty that view me as uninteresting. Yet I'm a quirky man that is very smart, loves botany, heavy metal (especially black metal), plays bass, loves all forms of art, including avante garde stuff, that loves games and board games, has an ungodly amount of fun facts, consistently thinks very quick on my feet, loves hiking and scrambling, is interested in rally racing.... The list goes on. But, I am autistic. Cons…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 04:53 AM
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His post isn't making really any concrete claims other than obvious truths. There will always be a crisis. Politicians do like half measures. His proposed solution is an informal proposal, nowhere being concrete to any real life example or anything. It is conjecture. You are making a specific concrete claim that he is a Russian user that just proposes Russia's "solution" to the draft. I do apply the same standards to everyone, it's just you aren't doing the same thing as he is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/26 03:37 AM
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I'm glad this type of stuff is getting published more and more. Because like, duh. Men are expended for women's benefits and women are far less tolerant of that harm if it targets women. But having something to actually cite will go a good bit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/26 04:10 AM
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So, you may be correct, I don't really know for sure, but can you please provide concrete evidence that his "solution" is what Russia is doing? That would help everyone out a ton.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 01:46 PM
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LinkedIn unironically might be one of the most obvious bodies of evidence showing mainstream feminism is THE dominant narrative. As a social media platform, it actively punishes any "unsafe thought" because it isn't just your real name and public life, but it is directly tied to your career and it's viability. Therefore, people are going to say what they believe will be the most "safe." Which, as the comments, among other posts, show... quite clearly mainstream feminism is the safe belief.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/26 04:47 AM
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Online, this is basically the only way. But even then it's a crapshoot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/26 01:50 PM
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Give this energy to women that start whining about men and their fear of men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 10:06 PM
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That too haha. It's all a fucking mess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 04:52 PM
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That illustrates the issue. Like, both of you are right. There is this huge spectrum of mild severity issues that simply cannot be researched. That mild severity can then be captured and escalated into full blown anxiety, for better and worse. OFC, if anxiety is impeding the way you are living in the world to a significant degree, that is unfortunately a personal problem. There's a difference between being cognizant of problems and actively fear and avoiding problems. It's a tricky situation to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 03:29 PM
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That honestly perfectly illustrates it. That 20% number is likely coming from the life time incidence of being raped. But said woman's justification omits that 1. life time is different from moment to moment 2. rape is overwhelmingly a crime committed by loved ones, so stranger danger has very little relevance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 03:22 PM
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people in general are notoriously bad at properly assessing the risk of crime. In the US crime has been decreasing for decades yet people still believe it's the highest it's ever been (not even close). In the UK there's this huge outcry over knife crime when it's less than half of the US gun crime rate. Now you pair that with a HUGE narrative pushing "women are victims, they are scared, we need to bend around them to protect them" and you get the disproportionate fear. This isn't to deny that su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 03:19 PM
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It's that type of stuff that kept leading me to writing my way out of a counter example xD Because yeah, as you say, even when we try to do those things, it's not an absolute win.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 06:28 AM
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Awesome to hear you've taken on this initiative! It does matter a lot to, at least, me that you sought perspectives and genuinely worked to understand and integrate them. I went through the questionnaire but didn't submit (I'm not in canada and that would waste their time to submit) and I'll say this. They focus a LOT on "what it means to be a man." I have concerns that may be looking for normative answers (subconsciously or not, I don't know). This is the place to firmly note how "what it means…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 05:24 AM
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Every time I think I have a potential counter example I end up writing myself out of it being a counter example lol. I have only one "gendered issue" that does affect men, and it's basically "severe diseases that basically only affect men." Society does actually somewhat care about testicular and prostate cancer, for example. Which, like, yeah, society should address a flagrantly gendered physical ailment as gendered xD. "The bar is in hell," one could say ;)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/26 05:09 AM
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She is who shall not be named xD. But you'll very quickly see her in literally every post
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 06:19 PM
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I love how he mentions that the more diversity of experiences leads to more productive discussions. I would LOVE to see these "productive discussions," because I have a strong feeling it's just a circle jerk of justifications lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 02:49 PM
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An interesting thing that she doesn't mention (whether deliberately or not, who knows) is that Israel happened largely because it was a surrogate for enshrining imperialist power in the oil rich future of the middle east.... It happened because of the bourg, not because of efforts among jews. They just provided a publicly palatable justification. Which, has its parallels with how the feminist movement developed. A growing capitalist class demanded more labor, and women were serving themselves up…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 02:38 PM
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Imagine if we fuck-this-shit-snapped en masse, and systematically killed men for no reason at all other than for being men. Imagine this culling starting in one country with five men a week. Then each week, this imaginary scenario would add more countries and kill more men in each of them. Fifty a week, then one hundred men, then five hundred. If 500 men were killed a week in the US just for being men, it would eclipse women being killed just for being women within 3-5 weeks... It's interesting …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 02:29 PM
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This is sort of motte and bailey tbh. No one disagrees that social dynamics can overlap and produce unique issues. But what intersectionality is used for is to further legitimize the suffering faced by certain groups and to further erase the suffering faced by other groups.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 04:41 AM
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This is something I've pondered a lot recently. The ability for the theory to describe reality and how reality reflects on the theory. In the case of Marxism, it is exceptionally prescient. Consistently claims and predictions come true (because similar has happened for millennia). But what has feminism actually predicted? It sure does explain, but what good is an explanation without predictive power? That would indicate a lack of understanding foundational aspects. Hell, often times research mak…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 04:38 AM
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I'm convinced most of the "read bell hooks" people have never read bell hooks's work. She quite loudly said she wrote her books out of anger about feminist inaction for men. She also very clearly inherits the same issues as those sexists that did nothing for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 04:30 AM
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K has done more damage to society and perceptions of feminists than she could fathom, that is if she isn't a fed xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/26 04:27 AM
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The most obvious example of feminists dodging responsibility is with TERFs. They are by all measures feminists, yet "Trve Femvnvsts" went instantly to saying "that's not feminism they aren't with us we aren't like them." OFC they say that in the same breath as saying men are dangerous predators :shrug:
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/03/26 04:12 PM
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It's a thing. It is funny though, you mention "Trust the science!" as an example and I find that interesting. Because on one hand, yeah, that phrase was used a lot as a thought terminator with no actual bearing on "The Science." But also, it was in response to very active disinformation flag out neglecting the science based on nothing. The Science itself has it's epistemological legacies, but "Trust The Science" honestly has very little to say about The Science. It does however, outline a scient…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 07:18 PM
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I'm highly confident that is what it is haha. The skills of "getting a partner" and "keeping a partner" could not be more disconnected and a lot of people just cannot accept that. But this half assed proposal is a first step to changing the narrative. Because once that reality is clearly established, we can actually work to either 1. close the gap 2. help and enable people meet both skills.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 05:32 PM
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Legitimization in science is one hell of a drug. It's crazy how Science and Technology studies was born out of Critical Theory yet most STS scholars refuse to touch how shoddy feminist research is used to legitimize politically feminist causes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 04:29 PM
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My only major concern is that to form a testable hypothesis around it, you must clearly define the context and then characterize the spoken and unspoken social mores within that context. So take the "tribe" of "normative white america." There's a lot of research on spoken expectations of men. There's a little bit of research on unspoken expectations of men. A lot of research just making shit up about men. This is enough you can work out testable hypotheses, (example I've written below), but it i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 04:27 PM
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exactly. What were you supposed to do? That's thing that's really hard to square away. The ways people survive and cope ARE, not can, ARE what they need to do to survive. And when you have issues that no one else has any interest in helping, then you are on your own. It's going to look asocial. That's the unfortunate reality. Notice how so much mental health talk is about why YOU need to do. Not what the speaker CAN do for you. In some contexts, that's understandable. But the fact it rarely if e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 04:10 PM
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Let me guess, they go "only 6% of men are murdered by intimate partners!" conveniently ignoring that men are 84% of all murder victims?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 04:03 PM
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I'm similar. I think any "gender based violence" statistic that does not at least acknowledge that violence leading to suicide and proxy violence leading to death should be counted is propaganda. We know that men murdered by "other intimate relationships" (e.g. committed by an Ex, committed against an Ex etc) DWARF women murdered by any intimate relationship. We know men commit suicide an order of magnitude more often than women are murdered, period. We know a huge proportion of men commit suici…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 04:02 PM
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Another place this crops up is in the narrative of "femicide." In the US, around 1000 men are killed by an intimate partner, around 1600 women are killed by an intimate partner. Assuming that all those intimate partners were opposite sex partners and the killing was not for another personal reason (an extremely extensive, yet common assumption made in the femicide narrative), that means that neither men or women are "andro/femi-cided" very often, and it's about a 40-60 split male to female. Gues…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/26 03:47 PM
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I really like this video. I was initially iffy on her when she started posting, and have sort of avoided her, but she is so precise in her criticisms that it's awesome to see. It actually showcases genuine scientific thinking. Like how she outlined how definitions of toxic masculinity and the like are commonly asserted to be structural, not individual. Then how the paper in question took the source behind that claim, omitted a key piece of it, and then developed their individual toxic masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 08:24 PM
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I remember seeing one of her earliest videos and I got a bit concerned because it leaned sort of tradcon-coded, but I should try to check out some of her newest videos because this one was great.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/26 08:07 PM
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one could say, they are the seventh day adventists of feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/26 02:22 PM
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At this point I specifically make an effort (when I can) to quote a feminist that responded to someone getting mad at me and telling that person "take it up with her." Either they call out the bullshit in the movement or admit they endorse it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/26 04:15 AM
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funniest thing is these are the same people that say "go to therapy" when like... rule number one of cognitive behavioral therapy is to drop "should" statements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/26 04:32 AM
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"experiences", "realities," very strongly implies that for men, it's aberrant, minor, perception based, yet for women it is just truth. Definitely gaslighter language.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 02:49 PM
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Cakists be like "being a woman is worse than being disabled" /s That's honestly hilarious that they hype up intent for equal access, but then 1. flagrantly provide unequal access 2. "randomly" make it even easier for women than disabled people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 02:40 PM
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Agreed. Tim Walz has been quite bad on policy. He just has an aesthetic that some people responded to. Menslib types especially liked that aesthetic. That's what I find interesting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/26 04:40 AM
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And here is a link to the primary resource https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-026-00466-6 Overall, this hits a lot of points we talk about often. It's nice to have a significant acknowledgement of the vastly disproportionate narrative regarding incels and that it is more reflective of cognitive biases rather than reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 06:29 PM
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omfg that is hilarious xD That final detail of having an intellectual convo while OP is screaming in the background is perfect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 02:49 PM
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Capable hit basically the main points. It is solidly from adapting Marxist solidarity/consciousness raising into a feminist framework that emphasizes experience rather than status. And yeah, it is why a MASSIVE amount of feminist discourse is rooted in "lived experience" and other anecdotes. It's also why feminism is so appealing to women that have grievances, because it empowers their personal grievances. And as Capable said, it lends itself to collectivizing men and women where contradictory e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 05:00 AM
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and can get violently defensive of the dynamic One of the most memorable online interactions I had was this one guy arguing the typical feminist points. I calmly honored the facts, debunked the lies, and brought up other statistics to construct an argument. This dude flipped the fuck out. Like he was slurring out, threatening violence, all sorts of shit. So at that point I just kept repeating "sir, I think you are the toxic masculinity," because it would only make him more mad xD What you outlin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/26 04:41 AM
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I bring this up constantly. That women are far LESS likely than men to be harmed by a stranger AND less likely to be harmed by stranger than someone they know. They then complete the argument for you by whining about how it's victim blaming lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 03:19 PM
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And I'd argue a LOT of men's reservations about becoming a bloc is that they know it will drastically reduce their chances of getting a relationship, which, unfortunately, many men highly emphasize and desire.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 03:17 PM
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This is a place where I do like "the personal is political." Because that is constantly lost when feminists do those dumb generalizations. "who created the system?" They want you to say men. But really, the true answer is "the powerful," but the one that centers individuals is "not lonely men," or whatever adjective you like. It steps away from "men" as a collective group, but as individuals that sometimes have alignment with others. That who suffers from these problems are often not the creator…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 06:19 AM
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It is abusive. Full stop. See them for what they are, and it becomes much easier to just brush them off. And yeah, the "who created it," "who does it?" etc dialogue is psychopathic. It is 100% generalizing over all men, no matter how they want to pretend otherwise (whilst bashing you for misogyny when you never talked about women, ofc). One thing that is so aggravating is you state basic stats to demonstrate how men can be harmed. And instead of recognizing it and integrating it into their model…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/26 05:23 AM
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It's very strange man haha. I just tell myself it's all just selfish to get what they want. They act like helpless little babies when it suits them and like confident proud blah blah blah when it suits them. Simultaneously the learned helplessness dog and a malinois. I've found fun in pulling the other side when they play one side. Many get very angry haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/26 04:34 AM
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It's crazy how strong expectations towards men still are. Like, at this point, I've given up on being any sort of "regular man" because it doesn't fucking matter because it won't bring me joy. I'm just gonna do my thing, do my work, play my games, do my hobbies, and if a woman wants to enter that life, great, but I'm not counting on it. Trying to hinge any of my worth on how men or women perceive me is ripe for suffering, so fuck em.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 09:08 PM
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For my own mental health, if I see a post that makes me viscerally angry, I tell myself "that's a bot, block"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 04:31 AM
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Frankly I just hate how "centrism" is a thing because of the nuance you point out. Some centrism is good, some is bad, what do we do with this? I just stop calling it centrism ATP lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 04:30 AM
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I've been meaning to make a post highlighting this dynamic. Especially noting that feminists and critics commonly appeal to "suffering isn't zero sum" type logic, when, given finite money and political will, it is. Focusing more on men's issues, without a commensurate increase in funding, with take from women's funding. And they know that, but they can't say it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/26 04:27 AM
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tbf Scott Galloway doesn't get called an incel because he just peddles bootstrap mentalities for men lol. It's 100% gender normative
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 07:29 PM
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His AG is literally a woman. The press secretary? woman. Hell, they're so vile that a friend of mine joke (because we want to punch Trumps entire admin) that we're not misogynistic, we just HATE Pam Bondi to make up for the rest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:31 PM
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UN Women has become my go to for the institutional power that feminists have. I've never gotten a direct response by bringing up the myriad of ways UN Women enforces sexism against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:30 PM
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lol I read "I am the table" and instantly went to that Metallica Lou Reed album "I AM THE TABLE!!!" Besides that, yeah. It's this strange abusive dynamic. Like I've noticed this REALLY badly recently. Where you state a fact that clearly demonstrates misandry against some class of men. And instead of recognizing it for what it is and adding it to existing models of "oppression," it just gets outright rejected. Like I mentioned the fact that circumcision is (in the west) inflicted on men, the reas…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/26 03:28 PM
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I tend to ask "how do you make and verify that judgment? isn't that very absolute?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 05:02 PM
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You're basically dead on. I have actual training in Systems Theory and intersectionality "discourse" infuriates me. THE ENTIRE POINT IS TO CHARACTERIZE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN MULTIPLE SUBSYSTEMS.WHY IS IT SEEMINGLY ILLEGAL TO VALIDATE MALE SUFFERING? I really need to find the time to sit down and create a clear, concise, accurate Viable System Model to show how we should actually discuss intersectionality. sidenote: my gotcha for the "black male" example you gave is "black women weren't being fals…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/26 02:36 PM
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I see this with a "genetic" lens. There's a lot of different branches of feminism. But one notable "line" is the gender essentialist line. (Think Amphibians). That has become various different independent "species," but they all have conserved "trait" from that "gender essentialist" point of view. There's the hardcore TERFS, but there's cakist feminists, there's "progressive in all things but white men," types, there the "progressive in all things but black men" types. If I want to be really ped…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 07:53 PM
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one day I will learn to double check my block quotes lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 03:08 PM
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The most obvious way to prove the point wrong or right would be to normalize by unique individuals attempting Then a further subset that attempt and succeed at some point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 02:19 AM
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I'm 90% sure that's what he's doing, is drawing attention to that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:23 AM
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Maybe I'm too online xD menstrual products cause bodily harm. toothpaste causes dental issues for women because it was designed for men specifically. Male baldness is studied more than endometriosis....They created a male birth control but pulled it when it was linked to cancer, & acne, hairloss, mood swings...yet women have been living with those same risks for decades. This is more than medicine; it's proof of a system that protects men's comfort while ignoring women's pain. Extremely rarely, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/26 01:01 AM
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Yup. No amount of therapy in the world can change how other people treat you when they insist on hating you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 06:32 PM
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"we will forever be tied to the chains of our oppressors until we allow men to be pathetic, weak, and useless" - me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 06:28 PM
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"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." Frankly, it's just any non-egalitarian movement lol. A woman needs therapy? Poor victim baby!! Those evil men hurt her! Man needs therapy? Evil irredeemable monster!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 06:26 PM
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sure. So "agents of socialization" are "Agents of socialization are the people, groups, and institutions—primarily family, school, peers, and mass media—that teach individuals the norms, values, and behaviors necessary for functioning in society. These agents shape identity, attitudes, and social skills throughout life, starting from infancy. " Your comment on how people are guarded around socialization and social media spurred my comment that people are shifty around socialization because it se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 06:18 PM
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I really only got there through three years basically entirely on my own with a therapist meeting once a week. And I still have all sorts of shit to really fully deal with before I finally go off my medication.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 05:59 AM
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It's also just a fundamental misunderstanding of statistics. All it takes is each woman that commits suicide to try again once, and BAM you now have 2x more attempts simply because of the change in lethality. None of the "attempt more" statistics actually parse what percent of those are repeats and what the recurrence rates are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 05:55 AM
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It's crazy how people do not acknowledge how "agents of socialization" seem to work. It's a basic systemic analysis of what discussions act on which people in which ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 05:52 AM
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I hate the book because it's torture porn, but hunting adeline actually has a fairly gender neutral and accurate enough depictions of sex trafficking rings (targeting girls... but can't women them all).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 05:45 AM
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I wouldn't be shocked if male victims were more likely to die too (nature of the request basically)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/26 05:42 AM
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funniest thing is sometimes they don't, so long as they are communicated clearly and interpreted correctly and say something of value. Key problem, people are very bad at all stages xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 08:55 PM
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That was a very nice read. It's the type of substack content I would write if I had the time/energy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 06:21 PM
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The crux of their argument rests on "he is using counts, not rates." Frankly I'm stunned anyone thinks that's a criticism. Also, he does use rates, just the correct ones "victims of IPH, not percent murdered by partner among all murders of x gender." He's correct because men are murdered more often. It is completely unfair to dilute male victims of IPH solely because men are murdered more often for other reasons. The discussion is about IPH. There can billions of other people murdered for other …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 06:08 PM
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I tend to tell people "be very careful reading percents that don't add up to 100," and IPV proportional rates is why. "60% of women murdered are murdered by an intimate partner! only 10% of men are!" huh? sure there's NB people but do they really make up that last 30%?? oohhhh it's not "proportion murdered by intimate partner given they were murdered" it's "proportion murdered by an intimate partner, given they were murdered, AND given the sex of the murder victim." Becomes very clear at that po…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 04:50 PM
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it's so hypocritical lol. Everyone makes assumptions! atleast this guy is clear and reasoned in his and supports them analytically! I will give him a bit of shit for poopooing the sensitivity analysis critique, because that type of "choose one model, then do post-hoc sensitivity analyses," pattern is actually pretty sound, but he did it anyway and it only strengthened his point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/26 04:46 PM
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exactly. It's this weird moderatism rather than "genuine compromise" that fuels these types of dynamics. Ideologues seem to be the best at making genuinely good compromises and middle points because they are driven by values and principles, which allows actual shared space. But this centrism outright rejects principles and values into a constructed center determined by those that don't actually care lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 08:32 PM
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Above I wrote a comment of a more "he seems to get us" perspective, but you bring up something that reminds me of the panel I saw him give that swings the other way. One student asked about Red Shirting and the bioessentialist aspects of it and Reeves gave a very unsatisfactory double down. I also remember he really did affirm that these are men's problems for men to solve. I recognize that one may be more political, but imo I don't think we will get much of anywhere if we don't accept how women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 07:03 PM
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I tend to give Reeves this benefit of the doubt. I can understand why someone wouldn't, and I have my own personal grievances with how he leans into male gender roles, but his background does strongly suggest he is seeing his place as a politician, not as an advocate. TheTinMen is an advocate. He doesn't compromise principles for message, but it is consistent. But Reeves is the politician, somewhat contradictory, definitely compromises principles, but is still pushing for a certain "golden mean.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 06:56 PM
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I've been trying to spin terms in the vein of "womens suffragettes" "mens emanicipators", etc. I haven't landed on a good one, but you might have an idea
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/26 06:46 PM
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Drow are some of the most underutilized groups I've ever seen in media. Tolkien made the Uruks and "corrupted elf" has been downhill ever since.* *there may be some niche story that uses them to great effect. I'm talking about generally in the zeitgeist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:45 AM
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Thank you for sharing. And yeah, there is nothing appropriate about a graduate supervisor starting a romantic relationship with their student. Afterwards, maybe, but no way in fucking hell should that be during. Hell, that may be a stronger power imbalance than any of the weinstein things. Hollywood atleast has multiple clusters of directors so if you avoid weinstein you have options. But in graduate life, you live and die by your supervisor, and if you burn the bridge with them, it can burn the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:42 AM
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agreed. He sort of gets role reversal troped because of how tied to the baby he is ("see, he's doing the woman thing!") but that's fairly minor in context. I particularly like it because he's so much larger than her, that it does really solidify how soft power can be wielded.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:32 AM
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And usually when this type of framing is adopted, the radical feminist response is "oh so you're colorblind too?" or some related jab at how colorblind perspectives can still perpetuate discrimination. Of course it's a thought terminator. Sure, colorblind policies can absolutely maintain hierarchies and discrimination, but they don't need to. We don't need to institute systemic sexism to counter sexism in order to achieve equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 05:23 AM
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feminists love citing anti-discrimination law as legitimizing prior inequality (regardless of reality). Many recently pointed towards testing period products with blood and crash test dummies being designed off of women in this vein. There was no discrimination in the first place. But we put in the law just in case. But once the law is in place, it seems to retroactively create inequality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 12:42 AM
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I've cynically concluded that "they don't equality, they want leverage. If equality is how they get there, they'll chase it, if equality isn't how we get there, they'll ignore it."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 12:38 AM
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Hard to say who singularly is "behind me too" but I know asia argento, an early accuser of Weinstein was later Me Too'ed and ofc played the exact same defense lol. My perspective is Me Too should not have been "believe women." It should have been "take accusations seriously." or something similar.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 12:36 AM
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I also wonder why so often their response to cases like these "that's not anti man, it's racism," without realizing that black women were not being lambasted for raping white boys.... Sure it's racist, but it's obviously gendered too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 12:34 AM
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I think what you say is relatively fair, but a bit myopic. Unfortunately, many do engage with tik-tok feminism and the continued growth of it turns it into feminist belief. Like, it's every week I see some actual scientific paper riffing on a tiktok feminist belief using half baked "science." That trash then gets used to legitimize the tik-tok feminism, which expands, repeat. Doesn't help that extreme, insane feminist beliefs well predate tik tok (and social media in general). At a personal leve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 07:51 PM
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They'd never admit it, but yes. They want their perfect provider partners without the risks that come from giving others that power, and that absorbs any progressivism. These days I like to say "we will only get equality when we allow men to be bad at being men."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 07:29 PM
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That's completely fair. ATP we're mostly just evaluating things differently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 04:35 PM
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Recently I've had a fun moment where I presented facts demonstrating systemic oppression against men. Naturally I got "women have it worse, men aren't oppressed blah blah blah," response. So I just doubled down and asked "please, explain how the government mandating [list of misandrist polices] solely because these are men, is not the systemic discrimination against someone on the basis of sex." It cut through a lot of that evaluator bs just to get them to accept that misandry exists. Once we ca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 05:49 AM
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I have a back of the envelope calculation that suggests that more men die by suicide as a direct result of IPV victimization than women die in any way by a partner. I can't remember specifics off the top of my head, but it was essentially that (in the us) ~1,600 women are murdered by a partner, and around another 3k die by suicide as a result of "relationship stress". But if we take the ~40k men that die by suicide a year, get the subset from "relationship stress" that gets us to ~15-20k, then w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 05:45 AM
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pretty much. And I will fully admit I'm a bit biased because I dealt with severe emotional and psychological abuse that harmed my life more than a lot of those that are physically abused (in terms of mental health issues, financial issues, social issues, etc). But people kind of poopoo it (for some good reasons, and some bad ones), so I'm open to calling those things violence as a way to give it rhetorical legitimacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/26 05:37 AM
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That's what I tend to contribute when I do engage in discussions about "false allegations." That realistically "false accusations" are most strict at "legal conviction of falsely accusing someone of rape" to most lax at "general social rumor spreading of a negative nature." And naturally, those that serve to gain from a narrower definition, use the more narrow version. Everyone I think intuitively knows of and about nasty rumor mills+. But many won't say they do, because it would validate the co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 06:30 AM
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I agree we need a different term for "low-grade" harassment/violent speech. I'm completely open to the idea of emotional, psychological, and verbal violence. But the bar for those things really shouldn't be as low as "swearing at someone" or "sending a dick pic." They should be patterns of actively damaging behavior. A one off verbal statement is not violence. Plus, when we call everything verbally negative "violence," that naturally biases towards "everyone has dealt with this, and people perce…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 06:12 AM
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I especially like making the informal spreading of provably false rumors into a new classification of crime. It really should be the type of thing that atleast results in some civil penalties for the perpetrator, at least. But realistically, it should actually be treated as defamation of a felony. It's knowingly stating provably false statements of a felony. That deserves criminal liability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 05:02 PM
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Agreed. Like, as a start, that is the best thing an individual can do for themselves. But also, social fragmentation only continues. Like I've talked with my therapist about this how when I do go out I get 1. a bunch of guys my age 2. of the few girls, they're just not remotely my jam 3. if neither of those, it's just old people. These are not great conditions for forming romantic relationships! My best connections have been from dating apps because atleast there, the more lowkey girls that I li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 06:10 AM
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agreed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 06:06 PM
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It utterly baffles me that she is the feminist bible on men. Like, she literally made her books in anger over feminists doing nothing over men. And now, feminists launder her books to say "see?! we help men!" whilst not helping men. Not to mention how her "helping men" was in of itself a fucked up relationship that deserves real scrutiny. I really don't understand it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:15 PM
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Ultimately that is where I would like to get to tbh. My logic for my comment is more about taking baby steps towards that goal. Which to be fair, might mean I'm taking that same baby step for the rest of my life xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:12 PM
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indeed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 05:10 PM
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Maybe I'm a filthy radical but I will not cede ground that being an LWMA is centrist. Like if I'm progressive in all ways, including wanting absolute equality, that makes me more left wing than progressives that don't want absolute equality. lol, this is a mole hill I want to moderately defend. I don't like how the left vilifies centrism, and absolute equality really isn't a centrist belief, so rhetorically I prefer the "we're more progressive than you on this topic," perspective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 01:23 AM
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That is interesting because Tim Walz did get around the "healthy male masculinity" discourse for a bit, and it's interesting to see menslib types really digging it. I say that because my platonic image of a menslib is a generally caring nice to everyone man that lives on self deprecation and internalized misandry, and puts women on a bit too much of a pedestal. So take those issues, pair with their daddy issues... and interfacing that with my own period as one of those menslibs types with a Tim …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 01:12 AM
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I agree from a linguistic perspective that MRA's are less toxic than feminists/menslibs. But from a sociological perspective I can't. Their "looking glass self" is strongly influenced by "men are evil" stereotypes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 01:09 AM
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I do empathize with your beliefs about Menslib and this sub. I do agree that sometimes this sub can get a little absolute about it's anti-feminism. But I also say this as an academic who does not identify as a feminist, but recognizes the utility of some of its perspectives. So when I give credit to "feminism," it's never about Feminism the movement, it's about feminism as a large body of analyses, just as any other body of analyses. So for me, I'm a feminist, but not a Feminist. I'm a mensliber…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 01:03 AM
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it really is peak feminism. "men tend to hold economic dominance over women, so when a home is owned, we should have it in the woman's name so she doesn't become trapped." rather than, you know, improving employment and housing equality that doesn't necessitate men's economic dominance over women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 12:52 AM
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sus potential bad faith, but assuming you are engaging in good faith here's a solid starting list pro universal heathcare abolition of renting Strong reforms to the criminal justice system towards rehabilitative justice Universal basic income Gender equality, full stop, not cherry picked Personally, I want a fully worker owned labor and economic system, but if we REALLY can't have that for whatever reason, hard caps on wealth. No human should ever have wealth surpassing 1bn. Socializing food sys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 12:47 AM
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One pattern I noticed is this pattern of doublethink. When in a discussion about Crime TM, in the abstract, there is a lot of push for rehabilitative justice. They go on to cite nordic countries and their low crime rates and that types of stuff. But then when it is talking about A crime, in the concrete, the exact opposite (for male perpetrators, even more so if victim is female) is the dominant narrative. Have you seen conversations taking about specific notable horrible Norwegians or Swedes? (…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 05:28 AM
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It's had some shifts its leadership and missions that take the "we support men! by helping women" approach. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1mgbuev/movember_rips_off_mens_health_dollars/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1mgbuev/movember_rips_off_mens_health_dollars/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/26 04:50 PM
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Why is it not as illuminating and honest to refer to Newton’s laws as ‘Newton’s rape manual’ as it is to call them ‘Newton’s mechanics’? What was she smoking? It's not honest to refer to Newton's laws as "newton's rape manual" because these are laws of physics and rape is a social construct primarily centered on human relationships. "Mechanics" is a generic term for any sort of interaction. "Rape" is a specific term for specific type of relationship interactions. Duh. Maybe because I'm not readi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 04:32 PM
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Not too surprising, unfortunately. Recently a LOT of men's issues get co-opted to launder pro-women causes. Movember being the most notable one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/26 03:34 PM
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So one of her policies was that men accused of any sort of impropriety should be banned from a bunch of things and that they will be under 24hr surveillance to maintain compliance. Feminists writ large are messy on surveillance. Many are pro "are we dating the same guy" like gossip networks, but they also sometimes promote the removal of big-tech surveillance, but also sometimes promote the expansion of big-tech surveillance against men. My comment was quoting the video though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/26 05:54 AM
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who is this "yall"? I think "19-th should be repealed" types are stupid and shouldn't be allowed power. But also I recognize "19-th should be repealed types" are really not any worse than "mandatory vasectomies and removal of all due process, which removes most of your rights"-type radfems. And as already stated, there are "forced sexual access" types that are horrendous and similar to the shared video. But, again, they are an extreme and socially reprimanded subset. The reason I'm louder about …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 06:28 PM
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Very appalling. Literally fits the textbook of "serial date r* killer." "he was way too drunk" (GHB + even a little alcohol is exceptionally depressing). Murdered in a very gruesome way. Vulnerable population. It has every hallmark. I hope in time those police face justice and Ed's family and friends can find peace.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:33 PM
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I've had a fun interaction recently where someone called me a misogynist and I basically asked them to copy and paste where I made a generalization about women that was harmful, degrading, or humiliating. Guess who got quadruple replied, none containing anything remotely like what I said let alone with quotes xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:26 PM
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"he can't keep getting away with it!!!!" *towards Freud*. There may very well be some evo-psych explanation for the women are wonderful effect. But as a scientist, these are basically unfalsifiable claims, so I tend to struggle with raising these as The Reason. It's far more secure to argue that agents of socialization work diligently to instill the women are wonderful (or more like "men are evil") effect. There we can actually say that "given these rearing circumstances, we'd expect a certain r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:23 PM
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really? I've heard an extremely small subset want forced sexual access, but I've never seen a prominent author suggest anything CLOSE to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 04:00 PM
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I jokingly say these days "we will never be free from patriarchy until we let men be bums." I have some internal tension there because we do want people to be responsible, independent, self-actualized, but the issue is that only men are *really* expected to be like that, without exception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 03:48 PM
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That's one thing this video really made visible to me. Like she was giving reactionary policy suggestions that FAR exceed the authoritarian severity of the average misogynist, and most extreme misogynists. The misogynists are weirdly libertarian, in a relative sense. Hell, most are venting frustrations that amount to meaningless bullying rather than specific institutional harm. I really only see institutional harm coming from the REALLY extreme misogynists. Even then, it's about on par for what …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 03:46 PM
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I tend to ask them "who voted for the 19th amendment." I've never gotten a reply answering that question lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 03:42 PM
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So, fyi guys, do not interact on her video. It will boost her shit. Vent here and elsewhere. That's out of the way. It's insane how I think she's doing this to do a "switch the genders" thing, but it so comically evil. "women were men's property when they got married, so let's mandate a DV draft, mandatory vasectomies, eliminate men's autonomy in every single way and violate their bodies." Some specific comments: Her entire argument is based on shit from before she was born, by decades. WHY do f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/26 03:39 PM
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I've had similar experiences in upper STEM academia (post-graduate coworkers, not just undergrad classes, since there is a difference there). Other students - masters, phd's, post docs, professors - saying just vile shit about men and being resistant to challenging that. Like, this will always stand out. I took a political economy based course by a science and tech studies professor during my post grad. Science and tech studies is the critical-theory approach to science. It analyzes and deconstr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:36 PM
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individualist marxism baby!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:27 PM
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"men who abuse drugs and are homeless tend to leach off others more." wait I thought finding support from your friends/peers was what men were supposed to do? /s It's hard to read that and not think "woman couch surfs, radical independent gender nonconformist. Man couch surfs, lazy bum parasite."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:24 PM
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god, the survey questions I find in these papers makes me want to punch someone every time. "who in WHAT WORLD thought this was a balanced question?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:21 PM
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I've been trying to reclaim these terms. So if someone says I'm not feminist I shoot back with "I'm more feminist than you" and then quote a significant but not mainstream feminist academic supporting my point (usually the first wave of marxist feminists, tbh). If they say I'm not progressive I go "oh so please detail how [laundry list of my progressive beliefs] are not progressive." It's a debate trap, they know they're wrong and can't argue it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:18 PM
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I keep wracking my head trying to find a new term that emphasizes the class aspect while still acknowledging gender-race-etal aspects. Because If we could rally behind a term, that'll help a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:12 PM
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Yeah I think he was genuinely fairly popular five years ago, but since then he's been irrelevant for many.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 10:00 PM
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A part of me wonders how many of his followers were bots
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 09:58 PM
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well cute relationships are embarassing. Can't live outside of external validation! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 09:51 PM
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This is kind of interesting. I've seen a widely loved post that was like "boys didn't like girls coming into their nerd hobbies because it means they're lonely for being shitty, not because they're nerdy" It always read grossly, but you hit at the core idea. The actual content of the insults towards nerdy men are generally assuming "shitty" because of their nerdiness. Meanwhile, women largely could take up nerdy hobbies without a ton of push back (of course there was some, but nothing compared t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 09:51 PM
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I would say I came close to that. For me, though, it was the intersection between that background constant "man bad" rhetoric, and being enmeshed with a woman that basically embodied all of that insecurity. So I genuinely believed I was a total irredeemable evil. And honestly, still sort of a bit of that, especially when it comes to my sexuality, but really what got me over it was through outright rejecting that background and getting out of that trash relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 09:31 PM
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I will say, good on you to actually somewhat engage here. That does still mean a good bit of good. What I notice, particularly in your responses to other commenters, is your focus on *material power*. Here is what I find problematic with that perspective. Is your average man meaningfully materially powerful in this day and age (at least in "the west")? And is "I hate men"-type rhetoric actually targeting material power? Because, from my perspective on the data, 99% of people are about equally ma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 06:18 AM
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I think there's a fine line to ride here. Because, ultimately, the efficacy of men advocating for themselves is constrained by factors outside of any individuals control. It is likely even perfect arguments are not sufficient to have significant effects. However, there is a range of ways men can advocate for themselves, and some of those are obviously worse than others, and your post is commenting on that. My main thing to add here, is we do really need to remember that most men that are struggl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/26 05:51 AM
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