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"I'm not like the other red pillers" ass comment
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:48 PM
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This is obvious. By definition the average man and average women are equal in terms of what they bring to the table and we all know how difficult dating can get for the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:45 PM
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It's always been about Chad the whole time. We just didn't have the strength to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:34 PM
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He's 6'4 built like a quarterback, 7 inch dick. Lmfao!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:31 PM
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Almost everyone is going to be creepy/awkward with little experience, it takes success and practice to become the smooth guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:23 PM
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Yes, single moms should date single dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:03 PM
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The anthropologist was Shanshan Du, and the work was "Chopsticks Only Work In Pairs" I haven't actually read it, but know of it through a secondary reference book that I own. Basically she argues that man and women in a relationship form a unit and their life outcomes become intertwined and codependent this is where true equality is. The idea appealed to me because of its unconventional take on gender equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:18 PM
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I get that. There's an anthropologist who argues that equality can only be achieved in a fulfilling relationship like that. Congratulations honestly, that's good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:47 PM
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I get that 100% I wouldn't want to be stuck in a relationship that wasn't fulfilling. I think I came to terms with that possibility as well. There's enough going on to lead a satisfying life regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:43 PM
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Maybe they both hate, but they love each other. Very cute I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:24 PM
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Oh don't worry, I couldn't actually live that kind of life. It would kill my SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:11 PM
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Is it not though? There are women who have a weird attraction towards serial killers. Exhibit A being Ted Bundy. In general you're probably right, but there's still a market for those kind of guys lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:54 PM
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I agree honestly. Men should follow women in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:05 PM
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Fair enough, though I guess this is more intended for women who are on the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:03 PM
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But are you content with the possibility of being single forever? However I agree that men need to get more content with being single as well. Part of the problem is that men think they NEED relationships/sex and women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:00 PM
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Wanting to be irreplaceable is incompatible with dating higher value men though, because they get all of the options. So women have to choose which of these is more important to them. The feeling of being irreplaceable Or dating a highly competent man who adds value to her life. Edit: Maybe that's a bit black and white, but I still mantain that real world relationships will tend towards one extreme or the other because people are never 100% equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:36 PM
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There is no perfect options. Everyone in some sense settles for everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:22 PM
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It depends on what you mean by decent. There's no perfect options, but I wouldn't want to get compared to other guys in her past and be called 'safe' that just seems code for low physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:18 PM
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In that same vein men don't want to be the safe guy that she settled for in her 30s after 'discovering herself'. We'd rather be the other guy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:10 PM
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So there authentic self isn't attractive, or is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:54 PM
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Boring
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:52 PM
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What if my genuine self just is evil?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:59 AM
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When I say physical attractiveness I'm primarily taking about face and height, everyone knows that physique is a distant third. In this imaginary scenario his face ends up deformed in an accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:23 AM
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Sure women can love a man for who he is but the unspoken part is that this man already passes a certain physical attractiveness threshold to her. He had to make it past the first gate in order for the relationship to deepen. If the same guy got in a tragic accident years before and looked different at the time of meeting do they still end up together?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:17 AM
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The Internet, social media. Screen time has gone up drastically. Just look at how dating apps became the most popular place for couples to meet compared to the past it was through friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:02 PM
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I do, primarily coffee shop and gym, sometimes the library. At the coffee shop most people are using their laptops to do work, at the gym people are focusing on their workouts. There's places like the bar or club but I'm not into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:00 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:35 PM
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Usage of them declined significantly, there does that wording work better for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:30 PM
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Goofy ahhh mf. Nobody shows who they truly are right off the bat. I have said nothing online that I wouldn't also tell a partner if we got close enough, but I'm not going to tell people in person, because they know my real name while also not being close enough to care about me. That's would just be shooting myself in the foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:52 AM
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The simping primarily. The others aren't really gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:53 AM
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I don't think that's necessarily true. There is a general loneliness epidemic going on since COVID and it's easy to see why men might complain more about it more because women generally have stronger social support networks, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily about sex and relationship like it's made out to be. There is something different going on though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:42 AM
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There's many reasons why this is happening. If women weren't constantly flooded with attention by simps they wouldn't feel the need to constantly increase standards to sort through increasing options. It's choice overload. Then there's dating apps, people spending more time online, collapse of third spaces, sexual liberation etc. That's not to say women themselves don't have anything to do with it, but it's a bit reductive and counterproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:20 AM
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And you're right that the default position is that men in general prefer sexual novelty more, but (I'm speculating) women's desire for sexual novelty can increase the more they explore, on the other hand mens desire for sexual novelty can decrease if we regulate our sexual habits. Basically I'm saying that sexual desire is fluid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:46 PM
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But don't you think there's a meaningful difference between reading about it and actually experiencing it? If a virgin reads about that stuff she might want to try all of those with her partner. Promiscuous women have already tried it all, or a lot of it. So it won't be seen as 'spicy' anymore. It's like when you find a great song, but it wears out after repeated listens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:40 PM
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Everyone has a professional persona. If everyone said what they actually think in public we would all get into a lot of trouble. The Internet allows an airing out of nsfw grievances. Kind of like therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:03 PM
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Wouldn't you agree that promiscuous women by definition have seen and experienced more sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:59 PM
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Fucking based king! Chuds eviscerated
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:23 AM
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In reality the guy is probably both, but this is more of a thought experiment about the spoken preferences of women. It doesn't have much to do with the guy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:04 AM
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Why would we talk in public as we do on here? That's a horrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:27 AM
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Honestly no. I'm addicted to reddit unfortunately, but it genuinely is hard to build friendships when everyone else in my generation is doing as I am. Go out to the coffee shop to get a sense of connection and everyone is plugged in looking at their screens. Even when I try to 'touch grass' even at work sitting at the lunch tables. It's the same thing, and plans to meet in person have been turned down.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:20 AM
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Dating apps becoming dominant flipped the game. They're now the number 1 place to meet meaning on paper stats become more important. I think there's a generational disconnect here as I assume you are a millennial women and I'm a Gen Z man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:03 AM
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I think your an exception. Most girls in their 20s aren't looking to date men working dead end jobs I'd guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:54 AM
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Are you in your 20s or over 30? I think age has a lot to do with perception of realistic earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:46 AM
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Most people end up with people in their income class only after realizing what they can realistically get. Doesn't mean they started out wanting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:42 AM
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Those traits only increase attractiveness in the context of a long term relationship, but for men who can't pass the first filter which is mainly based on superficial qualities no amount of cultivation in those virtues will help them attract a mate. I still think it's worth it to work on those things from an overall life satisfaction standpoint. Incels should do it anyways, but it won't make them more attractive unless they already checked off the basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:33 PM
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Even if the lover is unselfish promiscuous women are harder to satisfy. They've been around and seen it all. There's not many ways left that you can surprise them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:17 PM
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Whether a people are actually fall into these rigid categories is irrelevant. It's a thought experiment used to pump your intuition on the subject matter, and the intuition is that niceness even goodness doesn't make you attractive. Women will choose hot over good. You're not focusing on the actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:21 PM
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You didn't say it personally. However, women in general do. Personality is commonly emphasized as a way to solve a lack of sexual success. In admitting that attractiveness isn't based on personality you're running counter to the mainstream opinion that women usually have. Nothing wrong with that, but it seems to acknowledge that incels are right about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:05 PM
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This supports the notion that attractiveness is nothing more than looks though, thus making the black pill true and the incel worldview correct. Not that I disagree with that but it runs directly counter to the blue pill mainstream beliefs commonly espoused by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:49 PM
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Exactly so a hot, fun personality isn't necessarily good. There's no real incentive to be nice and respectful to women because they reward bad behavior often with sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:29 PM
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"I just hope the gaslighting can finally end in 2026" Narrator: "It didn't"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:15 PM
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Literally 1984
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:13 PM
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They're doctors not ethicists. Their job is to help their patient survive, but they're not thinking about the ethics of abortion when they do it. It's not their area of expertise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:01 PM
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In a life threatening situation late stage abortions ought to be permissable, but that still doesn't make it a morally good thing. Sure the ends might justify the means but it's still barbaric and morally questionable. At six months a baby can live a normal life, so it comes down to choosing one life over the other. A real life trolly dilemma.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 09:51 PM
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100% agree with you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:58 PM
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Unlimited abortions up to 12 weeks at the federal level seems like a fair compromise, but that's not what Roe v Wade was.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:34 PM
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Unless there's some law I'm missing red state women can easily just go to a blue state and get an abortion. It's like having extremely loose hand cuffs on. Inconvenient but not terrible. Like I said things are ethically balanced out by the blue states being incredibly lenient to the point of barbarism. Some states like California allow abortion up to 24 weeks. I was born at 25 weeks and am a sentient being.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:19 PM
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The older you get the harder it gets. Even for younger women getting pregnant isn't necessarily easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 08:01 PM
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They can ignore reality, but not the consequences of ignoring reality. If they want kids but are putting it off things won't go well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:58 PM
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Anyone who needs to openly express how happy they are being single probably isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:55 PM
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That's actually insane that caucasian sperm banks have a minimum height requirement of 5'8 5'9 and it's not talked about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:10 PM
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There's a difference between having an external motivator and doing things solely for external approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:08 PM
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"I do it for myself" is such a cope. Everything is relational, nothing exists in isolation, without external relations their is no motivation to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:58 PM
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There needs to be some sort of external motivator in place in order for one to want to do things. Sure after a while you get into doing it for its own sake but that's not how improvement starts. You can't just generate motivation and desire for improvement out of thin air. At first I started going to the gym for women, now I just do it for its own sake and enjoy the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:55 PM
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What rights are being taken away from women, in the western world? Reproductive rights is the only area where this could even be arguable, but abortion laws are put in place at the state level and while red states are too strict with their limitations, blue states are incredibly lenient so I'd say it balances out. What kind of rights would you want that would make it even in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:48 PM
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Everyone has fragile aspects of their identity though mine just happens to come in up most in relation to sex and relationships because that's where I lack the most experience. No matter how irrational the insecurity you can't convince someone to just be confident through reason it comes through experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:40 PM
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Right insecurities don't come from nowhere, and are pretty much universal. So I'm not sure how me being insecure would invalidate what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:02 PM
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Ok, well do you have any actionable steps to follow in order to solve this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:59 PM
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Maybe right, but that's easier said than done, it's natural human tendency to compare. You can't easily ignore that and 'just be confident'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:43 AM
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Usually it's somewhere in between. That's not the point though. The point is to explain why men prefer virgins, which isn't always insecurity based.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:08 AM
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The larger her sexual history the less likely you are to be her best. Which isn't a pleasant thought to have about the women that you want to give your life to. Much easier to outperform three men than to outperform fifty men. It also makes it less likely that you are going to be her last. Maybe some of it is insecurity but it's insecurity based on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:48 AM
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This is what the Virgin thing actually means. If a girl has like 3-5 sex partners all in relationships I'm not going to care too much. If a girl is highly promiscuous the likelihood of you being their last partner drops significantly which doesn't bode well for long term relationships. Not to mention more people to compare you against making her harder to satisfy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:31 AM
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Gotcha, yeah hard to decipher tone online.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:55 PM
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So moreso the already attractive men? Ah I guess that doesn't really say anything too extraordinary like I thought it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:52 PM
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I guess you're right that you never explicitly stated one way or the other. It just seemed like you were on the side that your nofap experience was a bad thing. Especially when you said you felt like a creep being attracted to random men at the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:45 PM
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So you don't think it's good? Gooning too much and thus increasing the attraction threshold?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:37 PM
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Because you're saying that the womens equivalent is good. After you stopped no fap the threshold for attractiveness went back up, and your attraction to average men decreased, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:24 PM
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Would you say that men not being able to see average women as attractive is due to chronic gooning is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 11:05 PM
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Exactly, it's cause women's sexuality is seen as wonderful and mens demonized so despite it being clearly good that she could view normal men as attractive that's somehow interpreted as a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:58 PM
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Yeah well that's good. I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing If it helps to see the average guy, or dudes in that middle range as not as bad. Makes smut and porn look even more suspect
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:40 PM
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Seeing normal everyday people as attractive is perverse? That's exactly what nofap is supposed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:44 PM
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Fair, but then it shouldn't be branded as an equality movement since in your own words feminists organizations exist for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:38 PM
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This is important simps don't accept women for what they actually are, they simply have an idealized version of women in their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 05:20 PM
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Simps increase the amount of options for women which in turn makes women more discerning and raise standards in an attempt to counter and filter out the influx of options. Basically it's not good for the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 07:00 PM
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Agree actually. Simps make it harder by thirsting after every women, which in turn makes women more selective and discerning, and conservatives are stuck on a gender relational model that doesn't fit with the current technological and economic landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:14 PM
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Oh I 100% believe that, I don't think there's really malice on women part. That said it's still necessary to challenge their perspectives so that we can get a fair compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:01 PM
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I mean on the internet with women. You guys say it all the time personality > looks or something of the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:24 AM
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You never heard women say they want a man who's 6 feet+? Guess that means it never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:52 AM
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I get this directly from talking to women. Do you want to argue in good faith or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:51 AM
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Well we can statistically test who's standards are more realistic. Only 14.5 of men in the US are above 6 feet (5% globally) about 25% make over 100k but this doesn't account for age and state, now imagine wanting both of these in one person. The odds would drop below 10% maybe even lower. On the other end about 30% of women are not obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:25 PM
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Eh, most men in the US are obese same with women so I don't think it's quite accurate to say that the loneliness epidemic would end if women had the same standards as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:15 PM
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Women not marrying unattractive men, wouldn't be a problem if they didn't frequently talk about personality and character as being the reasons why, when really the reasons are more shallow. Primarily looks and access to resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:51 PM
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That's exactly it. Both men and women wanting to work is what's made the dating market so bad because now men don't really have an advantage to offer women like we did in the past. They joined the workforce but kept their tendency to date up meaning that the bar for desirability that a man must pass got significantly raised. And don't get me wrong, women should be able to work if they want to but why do they want to? Just so they can prove that they can do what a man can? Being a stay at home is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:13 PM
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Like 90% of the content on this sub is unfalsifiable. Needs to be some serious decluttering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:04 PM
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Yup. It's Wabi Sabi.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:22 PM
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You gotta set the tone early, otherwise it's difficult to change that dynamic, and probably not worth the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:20 PM
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Basically same thing just different wording.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:01 PM
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Already seems to be rolling, probably give it a few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:38 PM
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Yup, smut is somehow perfectly fine even though it caters to women's unrealistic fantasies of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:25 AM
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Lol there are things that are healthy and things that aren't. It's fair to infer that smut has a similar effect on womens perception of men that porn does on men's perception of women which we all agree is unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:24 AM
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Women shouldn't be moderated but smut should be stigmatized more so that it currently is then let them decide if they want to keep using. It's basically the equivalent of porn for women but without the stigma, even though women get off emotionally the way men get off visually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:53 AM
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The fact that something as serious as rape doesn't have a universal definition complicates the matter further. If one person takes no means no to mean rape and another uses a yes means yes definition then two people could realistically get into a conflict over whether sexual encounter was rape while both genuinely believing they are telling the truth. Obviously there are clear cut cases of rape, but it seems probable that most cases where there is a 'false accusation' or controversy fall into fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:52 AM
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It's socially frowned upon to lose your virginity to a prostitute as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:15 AM
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Those men that you are talking about are like the top 10% but that's still not the majority of men. So not really. The average man has very little power comparatively. That and physical strength means very little outside of the wild since we must abide by so many rules. If it was really about sex most of these incels would have no problem just paying for a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:18 PM
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The criteria is determined mostly by traits you're born with like height, face etc. so I think that saying potential exists is a bit optimistic. Maybe if one saves up a hundred thousand dollars and gets surgery but that would require a degree and a high paying job which in itself costs money to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:37 AM
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Sex is about power so it's not really about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:22 AM
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If there are no rules that leads to some dangerous conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:01 AM
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Then why should men be civilized if there are no actual rules? It's all meaningless so why not just do what we want? I'm playing devils advocate as I actually do believe in moral rules but I'm not sure this is a safe route to go down.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:57 AM
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I find it hard to believe that most women in relationships are not having sex, yeah there are dead bedrooms but they aren't the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:32 AM
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Agree without some generalization meaningful information cannot be communicated and everything gets reduced to radical particularism. However it's important to voice generalizations in a way that don't alienate the outgroup. And minority instances should not be made into general statements, unless one wants to change the argued point. It's important to establish a general rule with facts and evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:01 PM
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The guys who announce their exit still have their psyches completely dominated by women. Like notice how MGTOW whole identity is getting away from women yet they are still defining themselves relationally as getting away from women and dating? This paradoxically reinforces the attachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:33 PM
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The ultimate goal should be self actualization. Being the absolute best you can be in all areas. At best success with women should be a byproduct of this goal. Women cannot be the center of a mans fullfilment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:48 PM
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Asexual men? That sounds like a gift
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:36 PM
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People aren't really born with a specific personality either, it comes about by interacting with the environment, or most of it does. I'll give you some credit that I don't think genes play a non 0 role, but it's certainly less important than the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:27 PM
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Being born with a certain personality is different from being born a cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:22 PM
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Have we discovered a "cheating gene"? To think that people are born cheaters seems awfully fatalistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:27 AM
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Nobody is born a cheater, it's a learned habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 12:00 AM
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10 is passable, 20 nah and 3-5 is ideal. I don't really care too much about having a virgin wife. Unrealistic anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 11:29 PM
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Think slow, most people rely to much on fast thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:03 PM
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There's an important distinction to make between overall value as a human being vs value in the dating market. Some men want kids and if a women is on the older side this becomes more difficult and less likely. This is why from a biological perspective youth is so valued by men in dating. It doesn't mean that your value as a human being is decreasing, just that the pool of potential partners is decreasing. Men too eventually hit a peak and start declining in their dating value, but overall human…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:40 AM
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Interesting article. One passage towards the end that stuck out too me is that the women feared being perceived as too promiscuous and objectified whereas the man feared not being objectified which I think highlights the gap in the perception of sex between the genders. Its an interesting solution that I haven't heard yet, but I'm not sure how well it would translate into real life interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:12 AM
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Thanks for the advice. I'll get around to it, just gotta find some free time and maybe join a club which I've been meaning to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 02:49 AM
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Dude introverts are a thing and It does take energy to socialize especially with dozens of new people in a day which you need in order to maximize exposure. Don't know why you're pretending like it doesn't take energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:19 PM
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To handle numerous rejections, anyways I don't even drink
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:17 PM
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You can but you have to be well connected and socially dominant. The only place where this can happen is regularly is work, maybe school. Many third spaces have collapsed making men reliant on cold approach a last resort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:34 AM
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The key is really to put yourself in position to have a lot of warm leads. Cold approaches are extremely low success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:21 AM
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It takes a lot of time energy and mental toughness to reach high levels of exposure. That's what's left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:17 AM
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I agree. Even if you're ugly high exposure will get you a hookup or relationship with someone. That said it requires an insane amount of mental toughness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:15 AM
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But they're rarely talking about those women.Theyre concerned about women in first world countries struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:12 AM
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That's a huge contradiction that they constantly make "being a good guy doesn't entitle you to sex" But when a guy voices his frustration about lack of sexual success it's made to seem like a character flaw of some sort. This is why the red and black pills are gaining popularity. They don't blame everything on character flaws when there are immutable traits which make dating harder for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:10 PM
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I don't think it's that they want to seem better, it's that they truly don't understand how bad they can be. It's human nature to ignore one's shadow. It really isn't easy to come to terms with not being a good person, but at least then you can be better aware of flaws and correct them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:36 PM
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You're cracked if you think this isn't true. Someone like Henry Cavill is objectively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:06 PM
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From an overall dating standpoint, probably. From a purely looks standpoint I'm slightly above mid. Average it out and that's mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 09:03 PM
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The only reason why women say men only want to fuck is because it's actually true for the small percentage of men that they aim for. After all why would a top guy lock himself down to an average women when he can either gain commitment from a top women or keep sleeping around?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:47 AM
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Even if you're not gay you can tell when another dude is conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:14 AM
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Mid men only attract below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:12 AM
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Or even someone you're attracted to. I could have a girlfriend by now if I just dated anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:07 AM
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I'm not angry, only frustrated. I don't think even men would deny that they get emotional. True there's that idea that men are more rational but it's still just on a scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:59 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:54 PM
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I see your point, but keep in mind that men have significantly higher libidos and that pro social nurturing behavior doesn't come as naturally to us. What seems like something we should just want to do that comes more naturally to women feels like a chore for men. It's a constant battle between the Id and superego and the ego has to meet desires in a socially acceptable manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:44 PM
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Social skills concern other people, we absolutely do need to get along with others in order to live a satisfying life. You're making it seem like their isn't tremendous pressure and obligation to get along, and that it's just something we should just do it for ourselves. Not true. It is self sacrificing and a difficult thing to do. We could just as easily cave to animalistic desires but we are under 'social contract'. We decide that it's better to transcend the flesh even though it is painful an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:32 PM
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You don't think this would directly translate into the personal sphere? Men would probably be doing most of the physical diy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:48 PM
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It's true, can't even justify why it's retarded so opinion irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:12 PM
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What I mean is that they don't want to do those masculine jobs. Leave it to the men I guess. They only want the cozier male jobs. Why? Because it's suits their biology better. Saying taking care of kids and the elderly is physically taxing or dirty in the same sense is a reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:26 PM
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I don't need to do anything, but no I'm talking about not doing traditionally masculine jobs like trades, garbage man, working in the sewers. Physically taxing or dirty jobs. They still want men to do those. They're only doing the parts of the masculine role that they like. The easy parts. Even at home they would probably expect men to fix a flat tire or install a light switch. Stuff like that. I'll gladly do the feminine roles when women start doing the actual difficult parts of being a man. Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:29 PM
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They want it to be a just world. Even though it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:23 PM
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I would say looks matter more in the short term. Character and shared values matter more in the long term. Even Chad hits the wall eventually. That said how are you going to mantain a relationship if you can't get in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:12 PM
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Because women wanted to join the workforce. It's significantly harder to provide now when women want equal pay and to work. There is a fundamental conflict between traditional gender roles and equality. It's not that men suddenly became less masculine, circumstances just make it significantly harder to play the masculine provider role. In the past a man could provide for his family as a grocery store clerk lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:51 PM
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There's no evidence to suggest men aren't still doing those things in relationships. If anything women decided they didn't need that and wanted to be independent from men. You see it all the time on this sub. "You're competing with our peace"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:45 PM
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No we can grasp that. We just don't want to do it when women don't want to be a balance of masculine and feminine in a relationship. It seems like they want to stick to the feminine role. Getting the good parts of the masculine role isn't balance you have to do hard man shit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:25 PM
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Deflect and derail constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:14 AM
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Smart ass. You can just block the guys you don't like talking to you and only keep around the good ones. It's really not that hard. Considering how much attention the average women gets to the average male there's got to be at least a couple who aren't creepy, but they don't want those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:09 AM
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The only way to make a women life better is to be better than her, higher value. There is no added value if the partners are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:53 AM
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We'll just never see eye to eye on this. Women will never understand mens perception of sex and having to go without it. We're living on two different planets here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 03:51 AM
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Nope. The average women have significantly more options than the average men because men are expected to be the pursuers. It's the default until men increase their status, lifestyle, looks etc. The only men that have more options than women are the top 10-1%. It's like a bell curve with men on the extremes and women towards the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:12 PM
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Having bad options is better than having no options. At least you can know you are sexually desired and use it as an ego boost which is what most women tend to do anyways. They have no intention of dating these lowly men giving them attention. Knowing that you could have sex instantly if you wanted is living in a whole different world mental health wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:51 PM
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They tend to be more pro social, group oriented and relational. That's what I like that about them. Considering women have deeper social support networks I think this is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:33 PM
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Honestly I wouldn't even bother If they wanted to be chased. Too much energy and time wasted. You're right that those women exist but they aren't worthwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:24 PM
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I'm talking about fitness. I wouldn't consider myself a bodybuilder. But yeah those guys do it seems, cool for them but I'm more health oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:20 PM
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Haha, well I'm not that obsessed with it. I could see why some guys are though. I just want to stay healthy into old age.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:17 PM
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Everything follows the golden mean, not too much, not too little.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:28 PM
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Healthy living is boring Is it the obsession or the gym part?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:06 PM
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"The day you started working out is the day you became forever small" Dom Mazetti
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:03 PM
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True but it doesn't usually last that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:49 PM
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There's always a slight chance, but I wouldn't expect it. If I were them I'd become like an ascetic. I wouldn't even feed my sexual instincts at all. In fact I already kinda live like this. It's easier said than done though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:59 PM
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"Everything is about sex, except sex, sex is about power" Really the lack of sex symbolizes a lack of control over ones life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:46 PM
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They Cherry pick for sure, but it is true that they say those things. These guys our getting emotional but it's not like their ideas come from no where. They most likely saw something on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 09:50 PM
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Bingo. Middle class is becoming the lower class. It's becoming the lower vs upper class. Direct parallels can be drawn between dating and the economy. Although I'm unsure if there's any causation going on or how causation would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:22 PM
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And there's still a pretty significant difference between 6 inches and 15 plus. Most men would be satisfied with a women who's about 6 to 8 inches shorter once it gets over a foot there starts to be too much difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:17 PM
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The point is that you can tell objectively if you have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:14 PM
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There statistically isn't enough tall men to go around, so if someone should adjust their standards it should be the one's who are objectively farther away from what they want. Technically you can have whatever preferences you want. I just wouldn't expect them to be fulfilled. And would still say that's a solid example of having high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 07:12 PM
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That will never happen though. There's no incentive for the hot guy to change unless the girl is on his level, and being on someone's level isn't entirely subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:44 PM
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Tinder experiments. C'mon that's not the best source.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:31 PM
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Right I find it much more reasonable for a girl who's 5'10 to want a guy who's 6'0 than I do for a girl who's 4'10. It's just about evaluating yourself honestly. Wanting a guy who makes 100k is more reasonable for a girl who makes 80k than 20k. When it's not even close, standards are too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:41 PM
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Are those women not real women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:35 PM
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It depends on if they're content with possibly being alone forever. If they want x,y,z in a partner but also don't want to be alone their standards are too high because there may be no one who fits those standards that also likes them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 02:30 PM
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Fact never alone. Without a girlfriend doesn't mean alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:49 AM
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That seems optimistic. I really don't think super human qualities will make up for a deformed face. Their best bet is to look elsewhere for life satisfaction, but they're not going to have much dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:16 PM
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That's not objectification. Its a metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:46 PM
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I feel this way about other men. I can recognize when another man is attractive without wanting to have sex with him lol. Interestingly it seems like women view men how men view attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:39 PM
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People think it should be that honeymoon phase all the time, so they break up chasing the next high, which is why they are bad at relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:10 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:53 PM
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It's much harder to achieve those things now because of rising cost of housing AND college tuition. It's not like men are suddenly becoming bums. Average house is like 400k iirc
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 05:32 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, but needing female affection to feel complete seems like a load of BS. And it's simply not achievable for every man. There's more to reality. If you're always looking to external circumstances to make you happy, you're not going to be fulfilled for long. Flow state is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:17 PM
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It's honestly frustrating. They don't seem like the get male friends, or try to find ways to live a satisfying life without women solution. I mantain sympathy for them but it gets exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:04 PM
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Honestly that last paragraph is probably true, keyword normal women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:41 PM
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I don't see how this study is pro women. Social network are crucial for well being and I don't think men are the stereotypically social sex. It actually seems to confirm the male loneliness epidemic. Look at the bottom of the list. Last three are men. Bottom six are alone. It confirms a general loneliness epidemic which hits men the hardest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:26 PM
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Honestly not surprising. In most areas it seems like men occupy the extremes and women towards the middle. Married couples being the happiest is not surprising either. Relationships increase physical and mental well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:17 PM
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True but you're talking about the absolute extremes. I'm talking about being slightly bad, or edgy. Being morally questionable but not depraved. But even if that's the case, serial killers still get love letters in prison so there's still a market for them. It also might differ by sex because men are more attracted to nurturing caring women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 09:56 PM
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They don't. Physically repulsed is a reach. Maybe if they're moral puritans with a high level of spiritual development. Also are they whining or yelling? there's a lot of nuance here. In what way are they acting like a douche because that matters a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:06 PM
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I'm not very successful either, but it's about the process of becoming bringing about the flow state.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:54 PM
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You have the potential to become a success, at least on some things. Fixed mentality isn't very useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:43 PM
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Over women? This world is full of cool shit. If you want to fine, but I think it's possible to live a fulfilling life without women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:29 PM
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Not being evil isn't a factor for simply getting a girlfriend. It is a factor for maintaining long term relationships. More accurate to say that a good attractive man would get a more satisfying long term relationship. But the attractive bad boy might actually have more short term options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 07:09 PM
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Very good writeup, this is understandable. Are you a researcher?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:13 PM
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This is probably the best criticism of feminism. They often ignore the context of inequality. Inequality in a specific area doesn't necessarily mean systematic oppression. IT COULD but further investigation needs to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:47 PM
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Overall pretty good response. I'm already aware that women didn't set that standard although I don't see why she rolled with it or reinforced it. It's a patriarchal norm, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:28 PM
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Agreed. Just for people who can't think for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:21 PM
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Implying the ones not in power don't. So why do feminists always talk like they're privileged?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:18 PM
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Speaking of, they only want to be equal to men in cozy office jobs, not the trades or anything like that. Suddenly biological differences matter then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:07 PM
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The blue pill is just all mainstream politically correct beliefs about dating rolled into a neat package. It's just safe, not correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:42 PM
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If that were the case old men in power would be complaining. It's not them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:39 PM
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The definition will influence what real life cases are called rape, and since only men can penetrate (minus some outlier cases) this definition is slanted. Nice try though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:34 PM
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Indeed. Whenever men point this out it's always 'privileged reacting to equality' according to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:30 PM
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I've read some feminists particularly scholarly feminists criticize other scholars for perpetuating traditional gender stereotypes, but in popular discourse, especially echo chambers it rarely happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:06 PM
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No one's perfect. We can't get everything right on the first try. At least she revised it. That said her not facing much backlash from feminists is a primary critique I have. It seems they turn a blind eye when things go the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:58 PM
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Defining rape as forced penetration instead of forced sexual intercourse or something like it, is absolutely devious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:53 PM
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Feminism sounds more moral than the Red Pill but it doesn't offer any real solutions for men. It can even be detrimental to their dating chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:49 PM
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Plastic surgery, but only if they're absolutely chopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:43 PM
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It would feel like cheating. People would think you're pathetic if you paid to lose virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:17 PM
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It just has to be translated into other areas like creation. I don't think our libido can be destroyed only transformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:52 AM
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Metaphysical Determinism is just a worldview. It's no more true than any pill ideology is. Plus we kinda need free will to mantain moral accountability. If determinism is true it would be unethical to hold people accountable for their crimes as they literally had no choice. Everything is cause and effect playing itself out since the beginning of the universe. You're really going to get me into a philosophy debate on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 02:55 AM
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I wouldn't want them shamed, but I'd want them to reconsider their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:17 PM
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No because it doesn't acknowledge the negative impact of the patriarchy on men. It only cares about the negative impacts of the patriarchy on women. And when they do (rarely) acknowledge it men deserve it because we created the patriarchy. Therefore I can't see how feminism is really about dismantling the patriarchy. Feminists want to mantain benevolent (for them) patriarichal norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 08:40 PM
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That was wrong actually
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 05:01 AM
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My interactions in real life are night and day difference. That's the only reason why I haven't gone insane. I'm forced to touch grass daily. If I genuinely thought PPD was reality my mental health would decline drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 04:47 AM
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I agree she's not, anymore at least, but a lot of people are saying they are feminist when they actually aren't. I'd say that's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:47 AM
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I don't mind holding the door or doing all those things but I'm not going to play both roles otherwise I might as well just date myself lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:44 AM
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The feminists online are real people, but yes my mother is a feminist and she wants me do be traditional ask the girl out hold doors etc. Have 'wommaners' as she called. We had a disagreement over this for these exact reasons. I see it as inconsistent with her identity. I would do that traditional stuff, but only the women is also traditional. Not otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:28 AM
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That goes without saying but feminists want you to do all this other stuff AND pay the bill. That's kind of the point of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:07 AM
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Height has a negative impact on men even outside of dating. Particularly they are seen as less powerful and competent than tall men in the workplace. Nice attempt to strawman and make this about women's vaginas though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:56 AM
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Even if we assume that feminists are right, I don't see how we could get to true equality by reinforcing gender roles. That seems contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:50 AM
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Right, let's say that feminists actually do solve everything. Remove all of women's inequalities. Aren't guys in this hypothetical world still getting discriminated by height or other qualities? Is there something I'm missing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:45 AM
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Patriarchy is a male dominated society. Men paying for dinner is a patriarchal norm. Based on the idea that men are the dominant sex. No? The above clearly said that until we get these things stick to paying the bill. Reinforcing gender related norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:33 AM
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I actually agree with you but this watered down pop feminism is so pervasive in culture it seems. People have more of a grasp of it than actual feminists. Even an above commenter says that until x, y, z is achieved there will be no bill splitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:26 AM
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So basically you want patriarchy? Until/unless we remove more obstacles for you. Some of those aren't even possible to remove. There would probably be more rapes in the wild than in a systematic society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 01:18 AM
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Women don't see sex like men do, it's not that much of a win because they can get it anytime. They want to lock down a man who they see as better than them in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:57 AM
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They are actually loving parents, but unconventional compared to most parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:27 AM
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Are you being purposely obtuse? No because they seperated, and were unconventional in their gender roles but I felt like I was over sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:24 AM
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We don't really think 'women terrible' We think women don't get called out for a lot of the same things that men do. But to be fair this goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 08:04 PM
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I respect that, at least you're consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 08:00 PM
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Is it really odd? The Internet offers anonymity. If we criticize women openly we might get in trouble lol. Though I guess it kinda depends on how harshly we criticize them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 07:55 PM
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Your point is off topic lol. True but off topic of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:26 PM
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Most men prefer women who aren't too promiscuous for long term relationships. But even voluntarily celibate women can get sex if they want to. There's no feeling of "I can't get laid' like there is with men. You see what I mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:01 PM
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Right the psychological effect of being able to get it if you want is much different. The vast majority of women are voluntarily celibate. The psychological effect of not being able to get laid isn't really a thing for women.except in rare instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:14 PM
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Not obese Solid hygiene doesn't smoke or drink (except socially, I'll make an exception) At least average looks wise or until I'm physically attracted to them. Open minded sees the nuance in things. Likes to learn, is intellectually curious and appreciates aesthetics in arts and stories. Not racist, antisemitic, homophobic etc. Doesn't have an extreme phobia of other cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 06:04 AM
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8/10? That's a tall ask, but cool you'd admit that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:39 AM
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If you're not cartoonishly masculine to the point where it becomes feminine you're not a real man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 05:28 AM
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But it's still happening, a lot. Enough that men would notice it and complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 02:30 AM
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They don't really matter in the relationship, moreso before.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:59 AM
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We have gene editing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:57 AM
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Cognitive dissonance is of the charts. Why is it so hard to admit that this is a problem? https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1H2EbRaYis/ I found similar sexist comments in this Facebook comment section. If men were filming women without consent you'd never hear the end of it. Now that it's men suddenly they're probably doing something worthy of filming? Not to mention the comment making fun of small dick men. Maybe it's our algorithms, but they can't deny that it's a reality that we see daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:48 PM
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That explains the content, but not the comment section. I often see it in comment sections sometimes when the post isn't gender related. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1H2EbRaYis/ For example this rolling stones article that I found on Facebook describes men being to scared of being filmed that they stop dating. And everyone in the comment section is saying things like "Well then they should stop doing things that could get filmed" Instead of just acknowledging that it's wrong to film a person…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:39 PM
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I'm not sure this is a reaction to the mansophere. Gender relations have been getting progressively worse for like the last decade. The mansophere only went mainstream like three or four years ago. I agree with the other two points though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 11:27 PM
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I'm a man lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 07:25 PM
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Lmfao, I need to get of this sub. Absolute brainrot haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:46 PM
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That's just attraction, or passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:42 PM
1

That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:13 PM
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Understandable, yeah there seems to be no easy way around this because you can't really tell if the guy is dangerous or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:42 AM
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Reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:34 AM
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Haha, you can get it back in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 05:17 AM
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Understandable, but then there's no place to talk to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:54 PM
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If this is the case why don't they want to pay prostitutes? It would be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:49 PM
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Kinda based ngl. They need to max or look for satisfaction elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:23 PM
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Being objectively fucked up doesn't seem in line with blue pill thinking. It might be true, but it doesn't seem consistent with that worldview. A lot of blue pilled people seem to be blue pilled in name only.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:18 PM
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That seems like quite a red pilled thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:08 PM
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Yeah that's more like it. So if it's feeling attractive they need to fix their looks firstly, if they can. Seeing change in appearance leads to improved confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:55 PM
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Agree, but you gotta at least diagnose the problem correctly. Most Incels don't really want sex. That's a straw man. It's kinda dehumanizing to say x group of people are barbarians who only want sex and are unhappy because they don't get what they want. That will only make things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:46 PM
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Sex reductionist. If it was really entirely about sex incels would be satisfied with a prostitute but most aren't. They want to feel attractive and be chad basically. You're solution is decent. Either maximize to the best of your abilities, or find satisfaction elsewhere. I think you're ignoring that there definitely is a societal/social aspect to this though. Not everything can be solved by individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:33 PM
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Partially, there just needs to be more real life communities in general. But I don't think friends and family would entirely solve it because incels want to feel romantically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:15 PM
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What it does do is increase the likelihood of chance encounters and relationships/attraction developing naturally. On dating apps things are heavily skewed in favor of looks and superficial qualities, but yeah past that it's up to the people to actually go to these spaces and talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 08:55 PM
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To be fair it's hard to give actionable advice without knowing more specific details about a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 01:32 AM
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Absolutely, I feel ya
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:57 PM
1

That is rough. I'm sorry man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:52 PM
1

How can this be if people believe that the material is all that there is? I think this implies belief in some sort of supernatural reality. Honestly I support, but many are metaphysical materialists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:11 PM
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I'm not sure the women are wrong. What we're experiencing right now is like the dating equivalent of inflation. Can't really blame women but at the same time it's not entirely the guys fault either. It's like an interconnected systematic issue with many different variables. There's a subgroup of men who thirst over women and boost their dating value and there's nothing that other men can really do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:01 PM
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And a lot of the time those traits selected for are genetically predetermined. For example. We know that women generally prefer tall men. This means that if you're a short guy your dating pool was at least partially limited by factors outside of your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:35 PM
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That implies that there is an objective facts about people that make them less desirable. For the record I agree with this, but it contradicts what a lot of blue pillers say. They often emphasize subjectivity and personal taste when it comes to dating. Now suddenly there is objective standards which people don't measure up to? That there is a group of guys that don't reach a specific standard of desirability is more of a red and black pill talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:07 PM
1

True but how many 35 year old men look ten years younger than their age? Not many.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:52 PM
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Porn brainrot is real. I can't stress this enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:23 PM
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Lol that's so bizarre, yeah there can be weird things like that which turn people off too. Even if you're hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:06 PM
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Bad breath and body odor repulse people. Generally people are at least polite to unattractive people as long as they don't smell like shit. Those are the big two I think, and they're easily fixable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:56 PM
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Depends on if you're deformed or not, but most people aren't. Going from a 4-6 or 5-7 isn't out of the realm of possibility for a lot of people. Hell most Americans are obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:51 PM
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Eh a lot of women have suggested working on personality if a guy isn't getting girls. This suggests that they do see a man not getting women as a flaw in his character, not just that he's ugly. If it actually is just that they aren't physically attracted to him why do they make it seem like a moral failing? That the importance of looks is so obvious that women don't feel the need to say it seems like a cop out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:46 PM
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People get hyper fixated on the differences over the similarities though. There's a fundamental similarity-in-difference. That men and women are different is a cultural trope that's just been beaten to death in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:47 PM
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Honestly, I like the post. It's a different angle than just men and women are different and then listing the stereotypes. I actually agree at the most fundamental level, although convention gets in the way. People tend to miss the forest for the trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:42 PM
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Sure because why are you saying 'feminism is for men' if you don't actually want to help in any way? It's just empty lip service to get what you want politically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:29 PM
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There are mens rights groups, which feminists don't seem to like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:27 PM
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If feminists are speaking of men in general I think it does. The most dominant individuals are men, yes but most men are not that dominant. What is usually framed as gender conflict can easily be reframed as a class conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:55 PM
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Lmfao I can respect that take. Personally I dislike both but I guess if there's no serious double standard it's all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:44 PM
1

I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. It satisfies something unattainable in real life which is the argument against it. I mean the closest male equivalent is probably a guy who is into hentai/anime characters. What's your opinion on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:43 PM
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If the guy is model tier probably, but if there isn't a significant difference in looks that seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:19 PM
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Well I mean if we're going to say that a lot of the negative talk about men isn't made by real feminists why should online ragebait be indicative of most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:48 PM
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This is true. Men tend to make out the extreme ends of the bell curve whereas women tend to crowd towards the middle. It's true that the most powerful people in society are men but so are the least. Though this often gets overlooked. There's more male variance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:40 PM
2

Still could lead to unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:33 PM
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That's one example though. The dude could've been a 7 by conventional standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:30 AM
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Ah I guess I remembered wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:33 PM
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I'm very pro redemption, but do we think he even gets a shot at redemption without his looks? Hell, he was literally discovered from his mugshot and released to sign with a modeling agency iirc. It's not like he served his time and changed afterwards. He was bailed out to model.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:07 PM
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Looks first then personality. People don't know what your personality is like until you've spent some time together.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 08:56 PM
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It's what is reasonable, not what is possible. Like sure maybe in some possible world, if the stars align perfectly an ugly to average girl can pull chad, or an ugly to average guy could pull Stacy, but this is so unlikely that it's not even worth thinking about. It's impossible in a practical sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:40 PM
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It depends if you try to hard to quit you still identify with it making it even harder to quit. When I quit I allowed myself to do it for a few times and then it just gradually dropped off over time. If you allow yourself it kinda takes the fun out of it so you lose it as part of your identity and just let go of the habit. Because of this I've severely lowered sexual desire to about the same level as women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:28 AM
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It's because of the frequent jacking off and porn, and softcore littered everywhere on social media. I quit porn and now it's pretty much contextual.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:22 AM
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Fucking based oversolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:19 AM
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We don't have many other options, just got to affirm it for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:08 PM
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I agree, it sucks ass, but self worth isn't entirely tied to ability to get sex. There's many notable historical virgins who led more meaningful lives than some randos who had sex. Tbh I dislike the emphasis our culture puts on it. Self actualization and flow state is primary.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:00 PM
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Then it's not really sex that they are after, no? it's connection/love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 03:54 PM
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Consolation prize in the sense that a romantic/physical relationship is the ultimate goal for a lot of men under the neo-Darwinian paradigm some even view it as the whole reason to exist, to pass on their genes and be considered a success. So yeah if the goal wasn't reached with said women there's a hollow feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 01:02 AM
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That last part is too real. The whole you're a '"good guy' but I don't like you like that" though said with good intentions kinda rings hollow to me. Id rather be attracted to than seen as a good guy especially when attractive people are often labeled good even when don't deserve to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:41 AM
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There needs to be more studies on this kind of stuff. Would be good to know. People get to comfortable just making baseless generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:36 AM
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And we also don't tell other men to work on their personality when they can't get girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:00 PM
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Agree but they're also far more normalized. Women basically read porn in public. There isn't the same stigma as a guy who watches porn. Even though smut also distorts perception of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:49 PM
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Smut may necessarily give women unrealistic sexual/body expectations in the same way porn does, but I think you could argue that it gives them unrealistic relationship expectations. Like porn objectifies women physically smut objectifies men mentally/emotionally and creates unrealistic expectations in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 07:44 PM
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Problem is a guy who could theoretically get with many women likely wouldn't be attracted to her unless she's as attractive as he is. Let alone attracted to her enough to treat her like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 04:33 PM
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Yeah I literally have diagnosed generalized anxiety disorder so this idea checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:24 PM
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I do go there, and even when I do people are on their phones. It is an objective fact that dating apps have become the number one spot to meet people when in the past it used to be these spaces. Combine that with the Internet and the fact that people are spending objectively more time behind screens than ever and you get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 01:18 PM
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I think using height was a bad example, he should've used face which shows no obvious survival benefits. Kinda like that elk that went extinct because the female elks were constantly selecting for large antlers. Eventually it's antlers got to big that it hindered survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 12:17 AM
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Yup, it's rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 11:45 PM
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Yeah, both men and women lie, and say they like shit like intelligence and honesty stuff that sounds good on paper. In practice a lot of it is physical attractiveness. There's actually been studies showing that what people say they want and what they actually want don't line up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 11:02 PM
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I think he kinda got this backwards to be honest. Proximity is essential for attraction. Part of the problem is that more people are inside in front of screens, not outside in third spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:47 PM
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Proximity is real when it comes to attraction. The decline in third spaces is part of the reason why dating has become so difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:40 PM
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I'll concede that they can't. If they met online, or on dating apps and don't have common friends. If part of a real life social network it should be knowable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:49 PM
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They were all in that same social network together, or maybe not but the guy had a reputation and it was highschool so people kinda new the type of guy that he was, her male friends were at least acquainted with the guy. Maybe even friends. I just don't know their exact relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:45 PM
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That isn't to say that the guy wasn't at fault either, but this type of thing usually doesn't happen out of nowhere. The guy usually has a reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 08:05 PM
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If a guy is notoriously a player, like in this situation, and friends even warned her against it, yes. I don't know you think women can't be at fault for things. It's treating them like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:53 PM
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The type of dude that uses women for sex can be spotted from a mile away. The only reason why women themselves don't see it at the time is because they're following their lust. I remember in highschool their was a girl who was getting involved with one of the these fuckboy types. Her male friends even warned her against it, as they were all part of the same social circle. "Why get involved with x you already know you're going to get played." She did it anyways and got played.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:33 PM
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Right, most of us men on this sub aren't even having sex. I don't know why women are surprised when the 'hot bad boy' doesn't want to commit. You can tell what kinda dude he is going in, only they think they can change him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 07:23 PM
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I didn't feel included by the in group that is the political left. It's a bit different in real life than online but it affected my decision. Well there's seems to be a double standard when it comes to body positivity for women vs men. For example there is a huge political push to expand beauty standards for women, but when a man on the shorter side voices his complaints and struggles how it affects his chances and perceived attractiveness, there's no acknowledgement of it, or desire to change i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:42 PM
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It wasn't the policies just my interactions with the left online to where I didn't feel like part of the in-group and in real life. Unfortunately I didn't do much research I had a brief look at the candidates but I only voted third party because I don't like the two party system. I didn't want to choose a side because I feel that the system is broken and divisive but I wanted to vote to perform my 'civic duty' lol. It's not that I think the left should've campaigned for men. That wouldn't make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:11 PM
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Also I'm well aware that feminists don't think all white men are privileged. That just can't logically be true, but that was the impression I got interacting in online spaces, and it kinda turned me off because I haven't had a very privileged life. Thats not to say I had it terrible, or that it couldn't be worse, but it didn't line up with my experience so I kinda felt excluded by the rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:49 PM
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Oh I agree, and yeah I've heard of intersectionality. Part of it was emotionally driven based on online experiences and I didn't do much research into the candidates and their policies so I just voted for something that I cared about (environment) without feeling like I was caving to the two party system which I don't think accurately represents the diversity of views.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:44 PM
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Trump hasn't made it better. I couldn't vote for him. But I felt alienated by the left for gender related reasons, not class related. Otherwise I would've voted left as most of my values align with them. To be get more specific. On the left (reddit is one example) it seems like there is a refusal to acknowledge that a man could have problems specific to his gender. If you're a white man you get labeled as privileged. Even if you're lower class, have a disability or something else. That's not to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:34 PM
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But the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 04:38 PM
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I couldn't vote for Trump but I felt alienated by the left so I didn't really want to vote for them either. Really wish there was stronger third parties. Everyone in the lower class and middle class is getting screwed while Trump manipulated the market to make his millionaire buddies wealthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 03:55 AM
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Oh I agree. Default enemies is a weird way to think of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 03:41 AM
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That makes sense with the increase in testosterone sexual attraction can be hell. That's what it's like most of the time. However if I go significant time without masturbating, and just have something else going on in my life I can sometimes get down to the more wholesome/pure level of sexual attraction were it only happens contextually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 11:42 PM
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Agree dude, lately it just doesn't have that same hit that it used to. It makes me feel cucked. I've gone weeks without it before. Key is to let go of the identity of being a chronic masturbator. It's not you, just temporary thoughts, a phase you're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:22 PM
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What exactly happened? Did he become significantly more horny?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:15 PM
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Relatable. I may stop masturbation all together to try decrease my thinking about sex. It really is annoying. Not only the physical aspect but the mental and social toll it takes as well. I just want to be done with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:10 PM
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Doesn't this mean the seller has the power. Otherwise I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:48 PM
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Yeah, there's no incentive under a strictly me materialistic worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 02:27 PM
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The problem is that someone will do it, and they're going to be desperate and naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 04:03 AM
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Sure attraction is subjective but attractiveness really isn't, besides minor preferences. Because of this we can tell when someone is shooting out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:50 AM
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Most women have it well with in sex. Maintaining a relationship with a top man just won't happen for most women though. Hence why they choose to be alone and now the average man is left "competing against her peace". Still women having access to easy sex is significant as it means they don't experience sexual frustration like men especially considering their lower libidos.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:31 AM
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No the same applies to men. If you bond with many, any one particular bond loses its significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:26 AM
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Well it's not they lose the ability to bond, but that they bonded with so many that one bond loses it's significance relative to everyone else. Same applies with men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 03:23 AM
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That's the Internet for yah. The more time spent online the less actual face to face interaction which is part of the problem. Once you go outside and actually let things flow naturally all this theory just goes out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:26 AM
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Actually yeah I'd agree with that. My interactions with women online vs irl is night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:39 PM
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In my experience Porn distorts mens view of women. If you go off porn for a while it becomes easier. Like you stepped out of a fog. When I stopped watching porn I realized that I was viewing women like sex objects the entire time, which I thought was normal because I'd been hooked on it since I was 12-13 unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:09 PM
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Really? I hear a lot of women on here say that women are just happier alone and we're basically competing against their peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:05 PM
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They don't want to date because they can't get the top tier men so they'd rather just be alone. It's still a you're not it scenario, just that there are very few men who actually are IT. So for practical purposes you're basically competing against her happiness she has on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:00 PM
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Ok sure
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 11:00 PM
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I get your point, but men don't really need a spouse either. It's because a lot of men have nothing else going on in their lives that they turn to that romance and sex to fill their feeling of lack. When really they just lack purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 10:59 PM
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Yeah understandble, but I'm talking about choosing power for partners, not the choice to be alone vs with someone. Everyone has choosing power in that regard. We'll most men don't have the luxury of choosing between women at all. They go with who wants them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:32 PM
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I think this is mostly true, although the choosing power in casual sex can distort things and influence long term dating. Do women differentiate between the guys that would sleep with them and the guys that would marry them? If women can get sex with a hot guy they might think they could also marry that guy when this isn't necessarily the case because of how men will sleep with less attractive women but won't want a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:23 PM
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True, although dating success, or lack thereof isn't always caused by things under ones control. Though it is partly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:15 PM
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I don't think this is controversial at all but most men on here complaining aren't in position to choose at all. It's only the hottest guys doing the choosing lol. Most men on here aren't getting a crumb, hence why they're on here. Generally speaking the average women has more choosing power than the average men, though the top men have the most choosing power out of everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:38 PM
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The not having success with women causes men to question why? Then they get sucked down the red pill pipeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:28 PM
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I'm hoping that is the case I didn't have that trial phase in school like most of my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:13 PM
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But what is meant by 'dream man' ? is it just someone who you're mostly compatible with or someone who has to meet a checklist and if the checklist isn't filled he gets tossed. Like I know I won't get my 'dream women' because it's more of an checklist of ideals. No real person actually fits the criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:43 PM
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Yup I see a lot of guys complain about women getting easy attention and being valued in themselves, but who's on the other end of that? Simp men. I won't even exempt myself from this as I have been guilty of simping badly too, but it does nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:25 PM
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Yep, I have to pay money (about 30k in state) just to get a degree that I don't even really want just to get a high enough paying job to live on my own and start a family. I can't even think about kids until that's done. That's not counting the getting a girlfriend part. Basically you pay to increase social standing which is important when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 03:00 PM
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You do boost confidence by seeing real results. Affirmations help but they will only get you so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:37 PM
1

But it gets the monkey off your back.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:00 PM
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Get through a couple dates and then you have experience so it's no longer a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:17 AM
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No benefit to telling the truth in a scenario like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:16 AM
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Sounds like job recruiters not wanting to hire job applicants with no experience. This creates a self fulfilling cycle unless someone takes a chance on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 03:15 AM
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This is my problem it's seems intuitive and would make sense from a biological perspective, but it's just not what I've seen working in retail and walking around in the mall, going to the coffee shop etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 10:29 PM
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Mmmm the idea that feminism is an equality group is highly debatable. It's a pro women group that seeks to maximize benefit and minimize cost for women. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing in itself. Everyone does this, but feminists don't plan on stopping. It's all about maximizing benefit and minimizing cost indefinitely. Whenever you try to maximize benefits for your group you come into conflict with outgroups, and men are one of the outgroups of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:57 PM
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You can at least heavily neutralize biology, by not not watching porn and not jerking off, or jerking off a lot less, your sex drive drops off. There's a reason why asceticism is such a prevalent practice in major religions. I'm still a sexless virgin, but ever since I stopped watching porn and jerking off daily. I've become much more content with it. You find an inner peace with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:06 PM
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I don't mind it, but I also wouldn't mind being the sole breadwinner, that's just not feasible for most couples now. This is more a case of houses needing two incomes because of the current economic landscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:11 PM
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Ok I don't have a problem with it, unlike you most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:02 PM
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I'm not even autistic, I just have empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:21 AM
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That's a reach assuming op is some higher functioning neurodivergent to where the difference can't be spotted. Context implies otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 12:35 PM
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I didn't I said F off, like oh piss off, (because you're not addressing the central point) very different, but that wouldn't prove anything anyways. Very frustrating when key arguments are continually ignored. No progress in discourse ever gets done.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:51 AM
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Could very well be, it's easy to notice a neurodivergent person because they aren't socially skilled, and it's more than just awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:49 AM
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If it was only fat women and not fat men sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 04:12 AM
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This is dumb. A lot a lot of problems are systemic and can't be solved by a single person. Don't know why this mindset suddenly stop at autistic men struggling to get a date. In fact, outside of the context of dating, disabled people are considered a discriminated group.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:59 AM
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If OP did anything, or was a dangerous person she wouldn't go back to him while drunk. Her friend group is trying to suppress feelings, and get her to date a more normal guy by stigmatizing OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:45 AM
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Or the societal stigma against dating neurodivergent is actually that bad. And women treat social awkwardness and creepiness the same. Stop trying to imply that OP "did something" with no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:42 AM
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If I was sitting around by myself in the dining hall watching Netflix, that kind of behavior could get me approached by a woman who wants to talk to me, and it wouldn’t end up with her friend group recognizing me and saying “stay away”. Well you're not a neurodivergent man who is considered undesirable to date, hence you wouldn't have to worry about her friends talking about you and trying to pressure her into not to dating you. Gimme a break bro, trying to spin it like op did something wrong lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:36 AM
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College girls gossip and spread rumors that's all. Stop gaslighting OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:31 AM
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Just distracting from the central point entirely which is the social stigma, against dating neurodivergent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:29 AM
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This extends to other things beyond neurodivergence as well. So many things are systematic and culturally enforced. Funny enough she seemed to actually like you. Going back to you while drunk, but the societal pressure was to much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 03:10 AM
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Masturbation is a lot different from actually sleeping with them, if you sleep with them it would be easier to think you could get an actual relationship. Not so much with masturbation fantasies. But I wouldn't even recommend fantasizing or watching porn either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 12:09 AM
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Yeah women, even on here, will say they don't find most men attractive. Which is fine, but then you can't claim to have such diverse taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 04:24 PM
1

Correct it's better to be alone, but how many women do you think are reflecting hard and realizing they won't get these men? More realistically they think they will be the ones picked. Not that they want to be alone. That's not a diss on women either most people in general aren't very honest about what they can realistically achieve. I think it's generous to think that most women are sitting down and critically evaluating their chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:54 PM
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Mmmm it goes both ways but I'd say no. Because women can get sex easier, they sometimes will conflate who they sleep with, with who they could realistically marry, but the top men will have sex with women who they wouldn't marry this creates inflated expectations in women about long term relationships. Men are at fault too but more so the top tier men, not your average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:49 PM
1

That's partial, if bad behavior is rewarded it gets repeated because it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:15 PM
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"You are finally a complete person" yup everything else is peripheral. It's not even about sex feeling good, it's about feeling like a real man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 01:25 AM
1

How so? If anything I think people would criticize Christianity for being to prudent and life denying, I could understand that. This is the first time I've ever heard of it promoting hedonism though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 03:23 PM
3

Lol alright that's fair
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:40 PM
6

It’s more males than females who behave like that. That’s statistical fact. Agree, this seems plausible and could probably be backed with statistics but it doesn't really do much to support the point of men in general behaving like vikings or conquestadors which was your first point. It also doesn’t take “most” to detrimentally impact the lives of many. Then why speak like it's men in general, instead of isolating the group of men? why not just say rapists? I'll agree that men commit the majorit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:22 PM
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Saying not all but most, or a lot, doesn't make it ok, especially if you can't back it up with anything. Because I'd say that's a small minority of men, and neither one of us can prove anything. I agree with your last two points though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:47 PM
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Ah yes cause the most accurate representation of men are the vikings and conquestadors, who even other men didn't even like. That's like incels taking the absolute worst of women and using it to talk about women in general. Very shaky generalization. Even if it were an accurate representation of all men, it doesn't necessarily translate to modern times because of evolving moral standards. This is exactly what is meant by 'misandry'. Equating men to uncivilized barbarians.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:11 PM
4

It won't wane it will just no longer be the dominant way of thinking. The pendulum always swings the other way, humans can't stand not having change it's inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:20 PM
3

Most beliefs in here are probably heavy because of confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:50 AM
2

Well if you're talking hookups I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 02:07 AM
2

But changing as a person doesn't mean physical attraction changes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 04:40 AM
1

I'd say it works if you're at least passable, not ugly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:53 PM
0

honestly it's just better to compliment anyone on things that they worked for. Not something they were born with. This goes for everyone. I think that is the point he's trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:16 PM
2

They will straight up call you "stupid", "pssy btch", "little boy" if you aren't 10 toes down. Gender roles work both ways - if you aren't ready to act like a man (in the old school sense, not the whiny egalitarian I'm into that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 01:53 AM
2

My ideals are exactly the same as the default settings lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:35 AM
2

21% is actually extremely high when you think of it. That's basically 1/5 girls you see on any given day.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:30 AM
6

Be your better self
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:18 PM
6

I don't think people can fake a personality for that long, they either become that person, or they stop holding that self image and acting in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:12 PM
1

Maybe you're not faking it, you just became that personality that you faked after a while?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:07 PM
0

Not really unless you do it like an absurd number of times
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 06:42 PM
1

Idk about that my desire to succeed isn't really tied to my sex drive and starting a family, at least it's not fully dependent on that. Being really good at something is rewarding in its own right. I think the problem is men view relationships and family as the end result. That mentallity only causes desperation in today's society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 06:24 PM
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Not adding value =/= losing value
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:59 PM
2

I don't see how those things mutually exclusive, you can signify interest while also being friendly and getting to know them. That's what dating is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:05 PM
1

Late 20s early 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 05:56 PM
0

I also have eyes but I've seen different
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:12 AM
1

Cavill is the biggest Chad I can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:04 AM
0

How could you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:23 AM
1

Based
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:21 AM
8

I'm saying you I think you feel superior because you think women are more attractive thus you should get a man in the top 10% because to you an average women is equal to a top 10% man despite a top man having literally no incentive to pick an average woman. It seems like a cope. Being not attracted to someone is fine just as long as you don't expect things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:09 AM
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Saying an average woman is more attractive than 90% or that the average women is way more attractive than the average man is a way to position yourself in relation to her and make yourself feel superior to most men. This way you can feel entitled to the man that you probably don't deserve. It seems like cognitive bias to make your unrealistic standards realistic. In other words a huge cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:42 PM
7

In general I like woman. I just hate entitlement. Also some of the women on PPD seem worse than the ones I talk to IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:09 PM
2

Solid 6
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:00 PM
37

Straightest r/PurplePillDebate man
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:46 PM
4

True but I don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:27 PM
4

I know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:02 PM
2

He still fucked though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:36 PM
3

You're based
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:16 PM
3

She could qualify as average but women hype other women up more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:14 PM
4

Saying she's a 5 is pretty reasonable I think. Almost everyone would say 4-6 I'm guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:13 PM
28

Simps create this shit. She's 5-6 range. Not really bad looking but c'mon 8-9-10?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:09 PM
5

Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:06 PM
7

Cope
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:04 PM
5

She's average
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:03 PM
4

Perfectly average but she thinks she's a 9
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:56 PM
6

With makeup sure
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:47 PM
1

That's fucking great keep it up bro, I've been going for a while but I kinda hit a plateau. Do you have a diet that you follow? I'm struggling with that part, and also just eating in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:23 PM
1

You lift?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:05 PM
1

That's really good point, it could also be the perfect time if you have value. Gigachad. I'm not really concerned with simps I'm just explaining how they effect the market lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:59 PM
1

I think we basically think the same only we're saying it different. I don't see the difference in good and valuable in a dating context. To me you can be a good company without being priced highly by the market. Maybe you don't have high market value but you are still valuable that's what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:58 PM
1

That's not true because simps (stupid investors) throw money at anything that looks pretty even if the financial statements don't look good, artificially inflating the value. The market always corrects itself and good stocks can be bought for fair price. You get what I'm saying. Right now in the dating market stocks are too overvalued (thanks to simps) for it to be a good investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:40 PM
1

In essence I'm saying that high price/demand =/= profitable investment and low demand doesn't mean it's not a good company.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:30 PM
1

Except there's ways to objectively measure a stock without looking at the market price. The market price is just reflective of demand. You look at the financial statements (the objective part) then make a decision based on your interpretation of that data that's subjective part. Any intelligent investor would've likely come to the that Tesla was no longer a profitable investment and dipped out a long time a go. See what I mean. The market corrects itself over time. Now Tesla is plummeting becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:24 PM
1

I'm saying the subjective value is more important than the market price, for the intelligent investor. Anyone who actively invests and pays attention to stocks will tell you this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:12 PM
1

True Value of a company is extremely subjective and up to the investor, market price is objective. Long term the market corrects itself, and companies become more properly valued, even Warren Buffett will tell you this. Right now we are in an inflation period in the dating market, due to simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:03 PM
1

Here's the thing about the market, current price isn't indicative of the true value of a company. Some companies are incredibly overvalued because more people are willing to buy in and don't want to do proper research. This isn't even true with the actual stock market, why would the dating market be any different. It's supply and demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:54 PM
0

I just want someone who I perceive as my equal or good enough for me. They don't have to be a model, if not I will happily die alone. I'm not being with someone who I beat in every category, just to avoid being alone. That would be disrespectful to myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:09 PM
0

That's my point, don't hold others to a standard you don't think you can meet. I see way too many people doing that. I'm moderately good looking but no chad and I regularly go to the gym and put effort into grooming myself and dressing well. I'm a little on the shorter side (5'7) but it doesn't bother me much anymore I'm trying to focus on the things I can control and get better in those areas. I think I will be able to meet my standards or even exceed them but time will tell. If I can't meet my…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:54 PM
0

Go visit r/nicegirls or r/whereareallthegoodmen and sort by top all time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:29 PM
3

I don't know you, you may very well be desirable it's just that your comment came of as entitled. I don't like entitlement. As long as you think you can give what you want to receive then you should be able to find a suitable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:03 PM
0

That's true, but a lot of people seem to think this is asking too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 05:01 PM
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We are allowed standards but we're often judged more harshly for it by the general population. If you want a tall handsome man who makes six figures fine, but if I want a busty attractive women or a thin attractive women who doesn't have kids suddenly that's asking too much and I'm a misogynistic asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:44 PM
4

It's not a given if you don't also meet their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:31 PM
5

Yeah but maybe not with the man you want, because actually quality men have standards too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:34 PM
7

I'm already not, idgaf you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:32 PM
3

That's fine but don't get mad if you don't meet mens standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:30 PM
20

I don't mind girls having standards just as long as I get to have my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:27 PM
1

I know
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:24 PM
2

Good Man (TM) Cock Carousel (TM) ? LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:23 PM
6

I'm all of those except like 3. I think my guys have anxiety issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:08 PM
5

Just reverse aging EZ, stop whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:07 PM
5

We need to
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:04 PM
1

Black pill cringe let's be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:03 PM
22

For every one I reject, there's ten simps waiting in line that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 02:55 PM
5

Probably not I go to the gym and stuff and am heavily growth oriented, but I'm also a 22 y/o virgin. That mind change soon though based on my interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:23 AM
2

What if I frequent PPD but have positive interactions with female friends everyday at work. I'm wondering what that makes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:11 AM
2

Must be why you get a slap on the wrist for the same crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:59 AM
1

In the Western world White woman have it slightly worse and cry 100x more. Lol neither of us are even close to discriminated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:56 AM
1

I will thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:54 AM
4

Last one is the worst
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:53 AM
8

Thank God I was about to have my second existential crisis of the week. I'm only 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:32 AM
2

How are woman not equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:31 AM
1

Always remember champ, you're the best of the 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:29 AM
1

1 Sigma grind
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:28 AM
18

The Chad cuck vs the Virgin bull
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:28 AM
1

This is so cringe but also funny at the same time
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:25 AM
0

I shoot for the top because that's where I'm going to end up
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:22 AM
1

Yes black pill is fucking stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:20 AM
6

I'm so fucking tired of simps bro, I can't make a simp not simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:18 AM
4

They're too heavy to handle
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:16 AM
23

25 is old I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, this sub must be full of 15 year olds
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:14 AM
7

I'm different so I will
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:13 AM
1

That sounds ez
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:11 AM
1

This sub turning into shitposting based
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:07 AM
3

Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:12 AM
3

I'm aware of the double standard but I'm not sure how that goes against my point. They're still all shit, Chris Brown isn't shit just because he beats women. He's shit because he's shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 10:06 PM
2

Dude they're all shit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:46 PM
2

Yes, he abused others including men, not just Rhianna.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:33 PM
6

He's beat other people though, I think the common denominator is him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:31 PM
1

He's getting stronger though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:26 PM
1

His whole fanbase Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:25 PM
1

Honestly I don't like either one. I think the fake improvement gurus are worse though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:25 PM
1

Most of them will grow out of it eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:23 PM
1

It such a shallow idea of success IMO, success is successfully living the way you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:20 PM
1

Indeed I am an intellectual now follow me I will show you the secret to getting pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:17 PM
1

Can't tell if satire but I honestly value books more than having a ridiculous car collection that Tate has. I don't see the point of that. What are you going to do with it, it seems pointless to me. You only need like 2 cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:12 PM
1

Reading is literally one of the most important things you can do to improve IMO. The more you know the more skilled you can become. I might sound corny but young men need to read more books to help them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:09 PM
1

It's terrible they exploit broken men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:05 PM
1

I agree 90% of these self improvement influencers just want your money. They don't care about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 09:04 PM
1

To be fair that mentallity usually comes with more experience. You can't just have no experience and go in with that mentallity. The memory of succeeding creates abundance and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 08:54 PM
2

Either way though 9 women want to fuck a child rapist and see nothing wrong with it. I feel better than those women lol. Most women aren't like this though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:18 PM
1

At least it was only 9 matches, should've been 0 but we don't live in a perfect world, if he pretended to be good he would've gotten hundreds of matches, so that means a lot passed him up and it obviously wasn't because of looks. That means they at least value some things other than looks, those women he matched with probably had some major personality or mental disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:53 PM
3

Then yeah being good won't help with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:48 PM
0

Nah honestly this is probably real I saw one had 85 Instagram photos attached. I doubt someone would go through that much effort to fake it. Holy hell they are the worst of the worst. Makes me feel morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:26 PM
0

We sure this isn't staged? The guy could've created fake accounts, too make women look bad, but if this is real...oof. I honestly feel like I can't be judged by Tinder if this is real, makes me feel better in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:13 PM
3

I mean long run it will, but thats not to say being moral is what causes attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:09 PM
11

Yup basically guys they already find attractive and see potential with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:02 PM
1

I mean it's still that way on dating apps though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:29 PM
1

I see your point but these 'self improvement' influencers are all over the internet praying on young men. It's hard to avoid. I think I'm getting out of it now, but for a while I felt like I must go through a hookup phase or else I'm not a man lol. Not that I really want to that's just the pressure I feel. Ive had little success and I worry that if I get into a relationship without having hookups before it'll feel like I wasn't attractive enough and they settled or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 07:00 PM
0

The difference is men are socially pressured into hookup culture, women are pressured out of it. Getting a lot of hookups as a man is viewed as a good thing because it means you have "game" women are called sluts if they want to participate. The gender dynamics are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:16 PM
0

Men are socially encouraged to hookup though, Women are told the opposite. I feel a lot of pressure to participate in hookup culture as a man even if I don't really want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:09 PM
7

Yeah so you have to choose between broad or niche appeal, you'll probably get more matches with broad appeal but the matches won't be as good, if you be yourself you'll inevitably turn some people off but you're also likely to get better matches because you fit with certain people more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 05:59 PM
2

I was saying Reddits response was off putting. Not the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:19 AM
2

So
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:18 AM
2

Already did
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 12:18 AM
1

I wasn't happy when I found this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:58 PM
1

Or I like reading the posts and comments and seeing other perspectives, that's quite a logical leap to make. I criticize but I don't mock and belittle intentionally at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:34 PM
1

You got upset over me being 'obsessed' with fat women so you. You asked I told you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:23 PM
1

Because some fat women expect tall fit men, despite not being that themselves and I believe you should get I what you put in. I'm a relatively short guy (5'7) but in good shape and remember being told by one of my obese female coworkers who I had no sexual interests in, but was friends with, randomly tell that she wouldn't date me because I'm short, even though I didn't like her that way anyways. I don't mind people having preferences, the problem was she randomly told me that. Unprompted. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:10 PM
1

I apologize. I set high standards for myself and others and sometimes when people don't have this same mindset I can be a bit of a dick about it. You should be love yourself as you are but strive to be better because there's always room to improve and you will be healthy. I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:31 PM
1

True I am lol. I don't hate fat girls I just don't want to date them plus fat can be lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 01:30 AM
3

It's entertaining
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 01:20 AM
11

Yeah honestly though as a guy I think that's a good point, I didn't start self improvement and putting a lot of effort in until after highschool and most guys still don't. Most women work on appearance at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 10:07 PM
1

Yeah me too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 05:32 PM
1

I don't lol. Nothing against them personally, though I think they should better themselves. My comment was harsher than needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 05:20 PM
1

Why I'm not dating fat girls
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:14 PM
0

Yes this is the same with me. Too many men don't think like this "what we can get" foh I'm getting my who I want or dying alone, I don't care. Sticking to my standards is better than settling below what you think you deserve. I don't fault woman for thinking this way either. I'm not going to be with someone who Im not attracted to just so I don't have to be alone. I would be more miserable than being alone knowing that I caved and gave up, I don't care if it's delusional or unrealistic. I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 06:05 AM
2

Just hit the gym lol, sorry but I regularly go to gym and am in decent shape, why should I have to settle for someone who isn't healthy. It's not that hard It's one thing to be slightly chubby or "thicc" it's different to be obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 04:51 AM
5

How about we both do better
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:22 AM
-1

I remember that, extremely off-putting for me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:19 AM
1

Why would anyone settle. I'm not setting for a woman I'm not attracted to either, yes I'd rather die in a ditch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:02 AM
10

More like frustrated
/r/MensRights17/12/22 06:40 AM
2

Being truly genetically ugly is extremely rare. Most dudes are not genetically ugly they just don't know shit about grooming and style.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 07:14 PM
3

That dude is cracked lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:12 PM
0

Maybe it's tough to say. I'm going to be honest I am confident because I have seen I can be successful with women BUT I used to be ugly and drastically improved my looks post high school. You have to believe this mentality in order to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:10 PM
2

Yeah but most people aren't golum. That's just as rare as a 10/10 gigachad. Most people are 4-7 range.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:00 PM
2

RIP. Good thing looks and personality can be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 04:06 PM
2

Facial hair, hair, eyebrows, skin, lower body fat%
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:50 PM
3

Dm me a picture I'll tell you how hot you are and how to get hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:48 PM
6

Is there really much evidence to support this though, outside of dating apps? Anecdotal but in real life specifically at the gym I see some really attractive girls with average looking men. One couple in particular worked at the front desk together and before they got together I didn't think she would even consider him. Most of us are in 20s too so it's not beta bucks. It makes me feel like this whole women only want chads thing is way overblown because I know what I'm seeing. I'm in Idaho, I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:17 PM
1

This is true, I don't want to commit yet there are some exceptions though
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:05 PM
9

More like obsession with woman in general, men like casual sex more
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 03:02 PM
1

Not in the same way men do, men chase women choose most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 06:04 PM
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No big deal I just think it would be more effective even though I'm not really upset about it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:18 PM
2

Just say some women problem solved. Some women reading that are more likely to get pissed because they feel you are talking about them and this less likely to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:10 PM
1

Yes I'm saying that even if it's generally true, speaking in general terms is less effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 04:38 PM
3

Abundance mentality. I've been preaching this concept so hard lately. Too many men have a scarcity mentality that's what causes the imbalance. I'm guessing because men are taught to be competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:06 AM
1

Broad generalizations are almost always going to alienate people. It depends on the person. We are individuals that can't be put into boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:07 AM
2

Abundance is also about being grateful for what you have, I'm not as worried about dying alone because I have my friends and family. Men need strong support systems to achieve abundance. I believe that is why women are more content dying single. They have stronger support systems of friends and family. Don't get me wrong I want a girlfriend but I don't need one. That's what abundance is. Not feeling like you need someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:51 PM
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I do though, I believe a healthy amount of delusion is necessary to function in society. If everyone thought how black pillers do society would collapse. Why would I not choose the option that makes me the most happy and confident and helps me navigate through the world easiest? Even if it's not "truth". Being real with yourself is important when it comes to other matters, not when it comes to dating options. It only hurts your chances for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:25 PM
1

But I think I do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:55 PM
1

I'm not defending it. I don't like it but I'm saying to just leave it be for now because there's nothing we can immediately do. I suggest meeting irl in spaces geared towards men to talk about our problems and find solutions. That's how men work best. That will give us the sense of community that we need and help us find solutions to this problem. Nothing gets done if we just cry about our problems on the internet.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 06:49 AM
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Yes I agree but unfortunately extreme feminist don't want that because they view men coming together as misogyny which I think is a ridiculous double standard but I'm not too upset about it. Let them have theirs and we create a space for everyone. Creating a mens only space will just separate us. We need to be assertive, not aggressive. All we need is to come together in real life at any space. It doesn't matter what. Men need stronger real life relationships specifically with other men, but wom…
/r/MensRights13/12/22 03:21 AM
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We need to keep trying, or find other solutions. Maybe don't call it mens only space, but create a space where only we want to go. Allow women to come but cater it towards men. If we allow women to come they won't take it down for 'misogyny' and we can have a space to ourselves to talk about our problems. Lol this sounds like mens rights. Men just need to hang out and connect with each other in real life. The internet is kind of ruining mens connection a little bit, it makes it easier to connect…
/r/MensRights13/12/22 03:00 AM
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I don't mind a womens only space if we get a mens only space.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 02:53 AM
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Yes this is what frustrates me, how do we solve this problem. A womens only space is fine to me, as long as we also get a mens only space. You don't create equality through inequality. Edit: Actually I think a mens only space may cause more of a disconnect between men and women. They would feel excluded in the same way we do. Men just need to come together at neutral spaces in real life. I believe that is the best solution.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 02:51 AM
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Yep, Woman's only shelter is a good thing for them. Men should focus on what we can control and not be upset about being excluded. Being upset about this only causes more division and negative emotions to boil no real problems are being solved.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 02:43 AM
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are you implying that women somehow keep all men away from each other ? It's not women's fault. But he's on the right track men spend too much time simping, when they could be spending time with the homies instead. Most men are too grounded and need goals and ideas to look forward too. Something other than a having a girlfriend. You'd be surprised how much energy young guys put into girls they don't know. They need to focus on their lifes outside of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:29 AM
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More men need to adopt an abundance mentality. I will die on this hill. Stop putting all our attention into girls. Not because they aren't important but because they aren't the only things that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:23 AM
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I think you're a king. This is the mentality we need.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:22 AM
6

This is the way too go, abundance mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:21 AM
1

Giving up? No. Shifting my priorities? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:20 AM
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I don't think so. it's just men are generally physically stronger and thus seen as more dominant and aggressive. There's a difference between that and being predatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 12:18 AM
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Men just need to stick to our standards and be more abundant. Find joy in other hobbies and friends.That is abundance. I'm adamant on never lowering standards though. That just creates low self esteem and desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 11:07 PM
1

Very based, men need to be more abundant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 11:06 PM
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Delusion is good. Would you rather be happy or sad? There is no absolute truth anyways. Unless you think you're 'the chosen one' you are are not capable of taking the Red Pill. So either you think you are Neo and your keep the Red Pilled or you don't think you're Neo and you're actually Blue pilled. Both are the same thing actually. It is not practical to take the red pill unless you think you're neo. Humans need to think we have control over our lives even if it's not actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:44 PM
1

It's still works in my experience. I'm a kissless virgin and the happiest I've been in a long time because of abundance mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:42 PM
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It's both how you perceive yourself and how others perceive you. They feed off of each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:40 PM
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No, you can't. Knowing your self worth is based on your experiences with other people It's both. Your experiences with other people are also based on how you view yourself. Is their any concrete evidence of which one comes first.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:38 PM
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I understand that, the idea of someday having a partner and family makes you happy right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:18 PM
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I think they could get girls but they think they can't. From my perspective you are capable even if you don't think you are. I shouldn't have said reality this is just my opinion. Ideas are just as important as reality because they are what help us change our reality. The idea that you can't get girls severely limits your real life performance. I think you place too much value on what currently true, not what could be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:17 PM
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I understand your perspective, I think ideas are just as important though because every invention humans ever came up started out as an idea. I think the problem is most guys are too realistic and let realism cloud their ideas of what they can do to change their reality. Use realism to assess your reality and use your ideas to change it. There is value in both. Even if you don't actually have more options it is better to think that you do, because you will be more happy and confident less concer…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:48 PM
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Everything is true if you're using a certain train of thought. My definition of options is different. Options to me is simply how many girls in the world you think would date you period. Perceived options > tangible options. There is an exact real number but it's impossible to know what it is. That's why the idea is just as important because there's missing information.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:24 PM
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How many options someone has is subjective and honestly you can't even know unless a girl tells you outright they aren't interested. It's about how many options you think you have, not how many options you actually have. That doesn't mean you can get every girl, it just means you get worked up about the girls can't get, because you always have more options. Girls are more abundant because they perceive themselves to have more options and this makes it true. Men perceiving themselves to have less…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:29 PM
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Except most guys aren't starving and homeless. They're only looking for food out of boredom/stress. When you realize you aren't actually starving you stop begging for food.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:46 PM
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Most guys aren't homeless and most girls aren't gourmet. They only think they are because guys think that they're starving, when really most of them are perfectly nourished and capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:41 PM
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This is the solution, it works in my experience. Talk to a lot of girls you gain more experience and aren't stuck worrying about one girl. You feel like you have a ton of options and don't give a fuck when one or two don't like you. You also feel more positive in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:08 PM
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That was a rushed reply, I understand incels struggles having been through it myself. That is why I said that. Girls and guys on this subreddit are not indicative of reality from my experience. Both seem to be down bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:59 PM
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Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:55 PM
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It goes both ways. They're also kind of ignorant to the struggles people go through. Therapy and a better attitude can help, it helped me and I'm not in a relationship. Honestly people need human connection not necessarily romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:54 PM
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Like instead of saying men just say some men, and instead of women just say some women. It's easily fixable because people will think you're speaking to them. Some people don't take it too well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:27 AM
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Kidding, I'm saying people should be treated as individuals. Speaking in general terms alienates more people. Both men and women on this sub hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:20 AM
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No you're condescending
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:17 AM
2

Cringe thinking
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:53 AM
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I believe It's because of these red pill influencers teaching young men that they need to be traditionally masculine in order to get girls. It's easy for these influencers to red pill young men. I know because I was like this as a teen before I started getting more real world experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:42 AM
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I understand, hopefully someday you will give it another shot because I don't think men are like this. Reddit in general distorts peoples perception of reality because there's so many echo chambers. That's why incels exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:37 AM
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This sub is fucked up incels just pretend men don't need women to make themselves feel better. Men and women need each other, or at least we need somebody. Human connection is a biological need.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:28 AM
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It goes both ways since sexual attraction is what brings us together and compels us to mate and reproduce to continue the species. That doesn't mean they're only good for sex. It just means they'd be treated like a bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:25 AM
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Isn't that obvious. Everyone needs human connection. Men are just taught to hide vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:19 AM
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I understand this sub probably alienated you from men, believe it or not I feel alienated the same way with women. However I don't feel like this sub is a good representation of all men. That's like saying dating apps are an accurate representation of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:13 AM
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Are you trolling? This seems like extremely black and white thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:58 AM
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Why are you talking like I did that? I'm one person. I can't control what incels say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:55 AM
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We don't really it just depends on the person. We all have strengths and weaknesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:48 AM
3

Well ok but I'm sure you have a problem when men generalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:47 AM
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Ok I don't see how that's bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:44 AM
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You're literally the same as me then. Two wrongs don't make a right. You're trying to fight misogyny with misandry. I don't see how that's productive for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:43 AM
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So you're saying we offer just as much as women offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:41 AM
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If I said that about women people would be calling me a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:38 AM
2

It depends on how old you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:37 AM
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This comes off as condescending. Men aren't one person. We all think differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:32 AM
2

This is it, it's simple supply and demand, because there's so many desperate men on dating apps that temporarily inflates a girls dating value and gives them more bargaining room. I can't blame them because I'd be trying to get my best option too. That said, I honestly think dating apps themselves are the problem. It gives people too many options, leaving them never satisfied with what they have. It's the illusion of choice. Dating isn't something that should be this superficial. Dating apps are…
/r/MensRights11/12/22 08:35 PM
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Simps cause this. Simps create superficial women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 04:58 AM
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Simps are honestly the problem, there's a difference between wanting equality and putting yourself beneath women, which simps do. This mentality causes an overcorrect from the past.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 05:01 PM
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Rights are given to groups of people, not men or women, so if you want equality everyone needs to be treated the same for doing the same things. Problem is people think overcorrecting and favoring women for some things now because in their mind they're creating equality they think the ends justify the means, but they don't.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:50 PM
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Lol you think they would listen to us, you're the ones they're simping over. This stuff gets called out regularly and nothing changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:00 AM
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You're acting like we can control what other men do, I've never done that yet I have to pay for the consequences of the men that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:45 PM
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Yeah but I don't think his full point was based off that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:06 AM
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No that's an ad hominem. An illogical person is still capable of making logical points.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 11:56 PM
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Well yeah, it's a trend not a rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 11:51 PM
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I still think it makes sense to think conservative women are in more stable relationships in general. I mean conservatives value stuff like stability, convention, tradition etc. It makes sense that they would have more success in traditional relationships. That's just the general trend though, of course it can go both ways but I think some of his points make a lot of sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 10:05 PM
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That really doesn't discredit the rest of his points though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 09:39 PM
2

Well hello there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:13 AM
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I don't even care about body count really, more experience, unless they had a lot of boyfriends, but if it's just sex I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 03:48 AM
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I agree for the most part. Unless the man is extremely ugly which is rare, he should be able to be somewhat successful if he plays the numbers game and approaches enough women. However, it's rare to have the confidence to approach that many women, unless you've already been successful which is heavily helped by being attractive. Lastly, how many of those women would the guy actually want to be with? My guess is the number of women who he wants and who actually want to be with him drops dramatica…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:21 PM
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"You can do everything right and still fail, that is not weakness that is life" A man could do everything right and still get rejected because she's just not into him for whatever reason. Sure there are cases where it is the mans fault, and he could improve himself and put himself in better position to be successful, and I think we should try. I'm a huge advocate for self improvement, but none of that guarantees success. You're refusing to acknowledge that there's a certain amount of chance invo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 02:54 PM
1

True but that doesn't mean an equal or larger amount we'rent turned off by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:05 AM
1

True but thinking a compliment is an indicator of interest and actually doing something about it are two different things. Does that happen frequently to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 04:48 AM
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Because I compliment other dudes but I can't control if other dudes compliment me, and it rarely ever happens. It's just how society tells us to be. I honestly don't even think most men assume interest after receiving compliment from a woman, if they do, they're probably notoriously compliment starved, or it's just wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:40 AM
1

Yes, sigma yolo
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:01 PM
1

"Planning for failure? That's even dumber than regular planning."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:18 AM
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So optimistis live longer and happier lives. Why does the truth matter if it doesn't benefit you? Your perceived truth only makes you miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:05 PM
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Optimism is for fools, logical thinking is more beneficial Is it really? It doesn't seem to be doing you much good. Also your view of what's logical may not be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:44 PM
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To add to this i'd wager OLD naturally attracts a lot of desperate men and egotistical/superficial women. So the disparity is going to be even more skewed. It's basically supply and demand. I've never understood why incels genuinely believe 80/20 to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 07:26 PM
1

No she did not say that. You got sources?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 10:51 PM
1

Man I hate to sound like a whiny bitch but I think this has a lot of truth to it. Men are hardly ever gassed up and get the attention, that even average girls get. That's why there's such imbalance when it comes to dating. I genuinely think that men are more realistic when it comes to our own looks, and a lot of, not all but a decent amount of Women have managed to delude themselves into thinking they're way more attractive than they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:15 AM
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Out of all those the only one that would really bother me is sleeping with a family member, unless the body count was ridiculously high like 20-50+
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 08:18 PM
1

It matters somewhat
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:12 PM
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No shit lol if everything is else is equal looks are the deciding factor but rarely is everything equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:23 PM
1

You're too calculated
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:19 PM
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When it comes to maintaining a relationship looks don't matter much, but you need to be perceived as at least passably attractive by the other person to even get your foot in the door. How high that threshold is depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:16 PM
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Well I mean obviously being taller is better but that's not really the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 01:59 AM
1

Depends on if those dudes were hot
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 09:17 PM
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About 30 years
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 03:15 PM
1

If everyones hot then no one is
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 02:53 AM
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None lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:35 PM
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Better to try than online date
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:25 PM
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I don't know if dudes here are really representative of all men. I will say I do value those things a lot but it's far from the only thing I care about. I'd say it's like 40% looks, 40% personality, 20% hobbies and interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 07:03 PM
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Quite frankly I don't care much about either, sex yeah but id hardly call it the most important thing to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:37 PM
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This dude really thinks we just care about looks and sex, bro I care about companionship above all else. Looks are the first factor, but not the only it's probably more like 50% not 90%. As for status/career he's right that I don't really care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:29 PM
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What we think of first isn't what we value most. Looks are the first ingredient but not necessarily the most important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 06:24 PM
1

I actually think this is true for guys as well, or at least for me. I've recently I've found myself liking girls who I initially overlooked. My standards are very adjustable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:09 PM
2

Ok I'll bite to an extent. Woman want the top 1% but that doesn't mean they'll only settle for the top 1%. Like me I want the top 1% of Woman but there's a much lower range that I'd be satisfied with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:14 PM
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Not in my experience though I guess that's just ancedotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:51 PM
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Cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:48 PM
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Bro the top 1% barely even appear in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:31 PM
2

Yes, you can I just don't recommend it if you're not experienced. It takes a certain level of charm and confidence.
/r/seduction11/08/21 06:20 PM
1

They likely wouldn't be mad but they'd be startled at first and wouldn't want to talk beyond giving directions.
/r/seduction11/08/21 04:49 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with the above you commenter. You can't just go up to people and start talking if they aren't even aware of your presence. People and especially girls are going to be taken off guard if you approach them while they're focused on something else. Theres non verbal cues like eye contact and open body language that show if people want to be approached. Eye contact plus a smile is a dead giveaway. This doesn't mean you can't approach but I would avoid approaching from the side or…
/r/seduction11/08/21 02:04 AM
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I get your point but depends on the body language, and if they make eye contact. You can tell when people are open to conversation just by looking at them most of the time. Some people don't want to be bothered
/r/seduction11/08/21 01:51 AM
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