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Uhhhh, it's called satire. Even if you don't believe in the wage gap it's obviously what they're getting at. And people say feminists are humorless.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 02:57 AM
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ok, then what feminist issues are actually real? Every we have no rape culture, no privilage, no wave gap, no employment discrimination, I could go on and on but pretty much every major issue women cite as part of their gender role this sub has had recent highly upvoted threads debunking. Gender roles are complimentary, men's roles have a compliment in female roles and you'll find that a lot of female issues that you dismiss are compliments of men's gender roles.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 10:10 PM
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The issue is that these threads deny the issues that women actually face, it's not "I don't need feminism because the movement sucks" it's "I don't need feminism because I don't face gender based issues AND the movement sucks".
/r/MensRights14/07/14 10:01 PM
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And they're all explaining why feminist issues aren't real, it comes off as pretty dishonest to believe that women have gendered issues but slam down all the issues which they cite that they have. Feminist activism is obviously concentrated on women's issues because of demographics but most of the issues men cite such as a dangerous culture of masculinity, expandability, ignoring of issues like rape, belief that they're incapable of being a primary caregiver, etc. Hell, feminism fought for pater…
/r/MensRights14/07/14 09:48 PM
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well if you're arguing that /r/MensRights is pretty much the equivalent of those tumblr sites?
/r/MensRights14/07/14 09:34 PM
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The endless "why women don't need feminism" threads don't qualify?
/r/MensRights14/07/14 09:15 PM
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What you stated there is almost exactly identical to how feminism defines the patriarchy, of interconnected roles that are supported by a social contract of implicit agreement by people in general. I can see our sticking point is really gonna be the issue of privilege but the assertion from feminism is that it's the specific roles that that are what constitute it, but the punishment for defiance for men tends to be very harsh, but fewer men are interested in defying it. Why's it the patriarchy t…
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:33 PM
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Except feminism does want that true equality, the issue modern feminism has with men's groups (well at least the MRM) isn't that it disagrees on a lot of men's issues. It's that the MRM denies women have gender issues and oppose feminism. I'll be honest, the population of feminists who I've met that wouldn't be thrilled to work with a men's group that you know, didn't completely dismiss their issues is really really slim.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 07:00 PM
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Of course it is, Phyllis Schlafly defeated the equal rights amendment pretty much singlehandedly and plenty of women opposed the right to vote (voting through my husband and sons was a major thing).
/r/MensRights14/07/14 06:54 PM
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Possibly, if your primary experience is from tumblr or simple bad luck. Or possibly it's the way you approach them, I have never had this problem for pointing out the importance of male gender roles in the discussions about feminism, but I approach the issue as a feminist issue created by exactly the same social structures as create women's issues. If you start in an adversarial way, they'll probably be adversarial.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 04:12 PM
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Then you can work with pretty much all mainstream feminists in this day and age. Seriously, patriarchy isn't viewed as something intentionally caused by all men, it's viewed as a social contract that's accepted mostly subconsciously about gender roles, male and female. That male gender roles and expectations are frequently damaging is pretty much universally accepted, especially after queer theory. Granted there's a lot of misunderstanding of what the MRM actually stands for, but when understood…
/r/MensRights14/07/14 11:39 AM
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I'm not saying it does, but the difference is the people who directly advocate for gender roles as a good thing. Liberals certainly can be sexist and act it out, but you rarely see liberals advocating for stronger gender roles.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 11:07 AM
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Hmmm, actually rereading it, you're right. It was a bit rambling, so poor reading comprehension.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 04:10 AM
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I have sympathy for this sub in that from my personal experiences from sympathizers are pretty much exclusively drawn from people that dealt with traumatic experiences based on male gender roles and felt that feminism doesn't serve their concerns. While that's true in practice (feminist academia acknowledges male issues, and feminist activism does work on some male gender issues, but it's a movement that's made primarily of middle aged, white, middle class, cis, straight women, it's gonna have s…
/r/MensRights14/07/14 04:02 AM
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Well it's generally conservatives that support the "be a real man" philosophy which is why you get this this type of adding faith and gender roles together. There's plenty of liberals that buy into gender roles without really realizing the damaging effects but conservatives are the ones you find actually advocating it, and the modern conservative movement is extremely steeped in religion.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 03:45 AM
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Where da fuck do people meet this feminists? Like exclusionary feminists still exist and they're rare and disliked by mainstream feminism.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 03:40 AM
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The complaint was about how women have to dress nicely, not that men don't
/r/MensRights14/07/14 03:36 AM
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a good 80% of issues in terms of changes in society are changes that feminism agrees with, probably more. The issue is that MRM sees feminism as the cause, so rather then attacking the wider cultural issues, critiquing how men are portrayed as disposable in say movies and video games, how the pink aisle reinforces ideas that men can't be nurturing, how media reinforces the idea that loss of agency makes a man worthless, etc they attack a movement aimed at breaking down women's stereotypes. It's …
/r/MensRights14/07/14 02:43 AM
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This is the wrong tact since child support laws are intended for the child, not the parent and even in cases of rape, when the child is born they have the overriding interest. The correct tact is to make rapists lose custody, automatically. There is absolutely no reason why a rapist should ever get custody of a child born of rape, 0.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 12:56 AM
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And this is feminism, how? The correct question is "why the fuck was the child not removed from the rapist automatically by CPS"?
/r/MensRights13/07/14 12:55 AM
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Dudebro "it's not manly to abuse women" feminism with a healthy dose of gender essentialism. Culture of masculinity as the way men have to be IS the problem.
/r/MensRights11/07/14 06:11 PM
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Of course, a men's movement is a good thing, exploring the interaction between different identities and oppression is what oppression is all about and pretty much any mainstream feminist sees men's issues as worthy concerns (if for no other reason, because the experience of queer men makes men's gender roles and the issues therein obvious). The objection in feminists educated about what MRM actually stands for is generally that MRM has issues, namely the denial of issues women face. This article…
/r/MensRights10/07/14 06:34 PM
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Just fyi, /r/feminism is just as outraged. http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/2a9euq/in_sexting_case_manassas_city_police_want_to/
/r/MensRights10/07/14 05:33 PM
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It's the idiotic assholes that get the press in every movement unfortunately. Transaphobia flies in the face of queer theory which is one of the cornerstones of modern feminism, TERFs are stuck in previous generations when we had no idea about intersectionality are how enmeshed gender roles is in homophobia (political lesbian being probably one of the most homophobic veins in an intended egalitarian movement ever). So ya, TERFs are the scum of the earth.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 05:09 PM
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TERFs are banned from r/feminism, that should tell the story. They are DESPISED in mainstream feminsm. Edit: for example, feel the rage: http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/28s7wj/lesbians_protesting_a_lesbian_pride_march_for/
/r/MensRights10/07/14 04:58 PM
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If you wanna reframe you should do a 100% switch, the point of those rituals is reinforcing that the man is the provider and the women is fragile and delicate, needs to be protected. See, here's the thing, it's not saying that it's an insidious attempt to do so, it's about coding. Socially, we have certain expectations about gender that are created by mutual subconscious agreement due to social inertia. And yes, that's the same social coding as to why men are expendable and make terrible primary…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 03:05 AM
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It's relevant at a superficial level, the same way politicians say one thing and do another. Words are not to be taken literally, but in concert with actions. Actions reveal the true intent, while words show the lie used to justify actions. We're talking about an activist movement though, their words are their influence. Feminists need to stop oppressing men in the legal system, demonizing crime prevention, saying "men can stop rape", etc. Do take issue with this? Would you hurry to say "not all…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 01:54 AM
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Well, I'm sorry, that's really depressing. I will add that I think that MRM wants positive change, they're just ineffectual. I think, you're right, the wording is incorrect, it comes from PERCEIVED power or right on the part of the protestors, not necessarily actual power. That said occupy wall street's failing was simply the issue that generally plagues left wing movements, false sense of uniqueness, which resulted in inability to actually get their priority across.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 04:28 AM
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Maybe you just associate with assholes a lot. I know people this accurately describes but I tend to cut them out of my life, or keep them as networking contacts but avoid socializing. But you know, a lot of people go through the same disillusionment process that you do, tell me have you ever heard of the prisoner's dilemma? It's a game theory concept, designed to conceptualize a vast number of problems in an easy to digest format. The setup is this, you have two prisoners that were caught, the c…
/r/MensRights19/06/14 01:57 AM
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So the root problem is negative images in media such as video games? And the solution? People like Anita begging video game companies to make more games with good female characters. This is a pretty typical feminist strategy. Instead of learning how to make games themselves, they beg the (mostly male) game developers to make games to their liking. They want to reduce rape of females by men? They attempt to educate and beg men not to rape them. They want more women in leadership positions? They b…
/r/MensRights18/06/14 03:00 PM
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A movement's opinions is, you know, relevant to the image they portray. How can the the idea of a protector exist without something to be protected? The fact is that the widespread attempts to empower women as not being able to be powerful also breaks down the men as protector role. On the other hand, you take a look at say, most video games made and you see the male as protector/damsel in distress tropes played out over and over again. What's really reinforcing this gender role? Yes feminism ad…
/r/MensRights18/06/14 06:00 AM
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It doesn't, it may have been all too willing to do that in order to eak out rudimentary gains in the past, but the whole "men as protectors, women as weak and vulnerable" is one of the primary things that feminism is fighting against right now. I mean, like 90% of tropes vs women is dedicated to that, how often to feminists call for strong capable women in media, don't feminists object to things like having doors opened for them all the time? You could argue that all this is tackling the women's…
/r/MensRights18/06/14 12:36 AM
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Not so much that they're motivated by mysogony, but that they choose to blame feminism for structural gender role issues when the reality is the blame falls on society at large unconsciously accepting them. In so doing, MRM fails to actually challenge male gender roles and since the breakdown of female gender roles supports the breakdown of male gender roles, contributes a net negative, and they poison the well for other groups who wish to discuss these issues.
/r/MensRights17/06/14 08:07 PM
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society's response to DV IS a gendered issue though, as is how it's presented in media. Edit: for both men and women.
/r/MensRights17/06/14 04:42 PM
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That may be true, but THIS example just reflects very poorly on the MRM, I'd strongly consider dropping it.
/r/MensRights05/06/14 04:48 AM
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Assuming you're completely correct about the falsehood (and I'd argue that you're incorrect but that's better suited to another topic), you're making so many assumptions, there'd be so many other people who had an interest in it such as her relatives. Or it could be mere misinterpretation of historians. Or romanticization on the part of popular culture. Even assuming that Lovelace's contributions are drastically overrated there is nothing to suggest feminism is responsible beyond a simple "who g…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 12:29 AM
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and why is it feminists shaping this narrative? why does it suggest that the the same group of feminists apparently interested in tarnishing men's image have this power?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:52 PM
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And you're assuming that this story was planted by feminists in order to.... break down gender roles? Just because it involves a women doing unwomanly things and being successful at it? This somehow suggests that feminists have a widespread power to tarnish the reputations of men, rather then just having that reputation be based on the traditional male gender roles? And that they actually did?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:41 PM
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and I could understand how this would be relevant were this a "myth" that actually enforced gender roles, but how is the breaking down of traditional gender roles harmed by women being credited with substantial accomplishments in traditionally male fields? Doesn't her story actively oppose the idea of women as weak and helpless, incapable of harming men, and superior at childrearing, the very myths which are responsible for most of the MRM issues? Things like ignoring of rape of men, ignoring do…
/r/MensRights04/06/14 11:21 PM
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Just on first principals, how is this even relevant to men's rights? Regardless of the actual merits of the discussion it doesn't actually have any relevance to male gender roles whatsoever, it's a far better discussion for something like r/history. All it does is suggest that you guys hate women as a whole and look for any possible excuse to knock them down a peg.
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:46 PM
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Men's liberation was a thing, before you guys split from it because you viewed feminism as the enemy whereas men's liberation viewed the patriarchy as the enemy. While I'm sure that some areas of feminism see any men's movement as sexism, feminist scholarship in general supports the idea that gendering affects both men and women, and ultimately the issue needs to be tackled from both ends, they're just not sure how to do it properly. Again, they certainly are supportive of gay men's liberation, …
/r/MensRights07/08/13 07:21 AM
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Figured you guys would be enjoying this, men's liberation vs men's rights face-off?
/r/MensRights07/08/13 02:31 AM
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While there's a decent amount that's true, the reality is that we as a society no longer need these gender roles and they are frankly outright harmful to a modern society. There are women's issues that come out of this, sure, but since this is the men's rights audience lets talk about what these gender roles do to men. Male disposability (which you touched on), which you touched on, men being denied custody in the face of incompetent mothers due to assumptions that men can't raise children, igno…
/r/MensRights04/08/13 05:59 PM
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