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Okay, you could say that. But for me, personally, if I got someone pregnant I'm not sure that it's a decision I want to make. 100% I believe people should have the freedom to choose; but the choice I would likely make (if I had it) is to let the pregnancy continue, and bear the consequences of that decision.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 04:10 AM
1

That is a bit different, because it's post-trial, and the man plead guilty to sex without consent; it wasn't a statutory case.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 09:13 PM
1

I mean, I'm not picking and choosing one example; this article was literally posted yesterday. I can't find any examples, of either gender, where the news report calls it rape, or the teacher a rapist.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 06:48 PM
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Another male rapist excused using using words like "relationship" and "sex": A Manteca teacher from Sacramento was put on administrative leave after he was arrested on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old student, according to police." This really isn't a double-standard.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 03:25 PM
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Literally in this thread (emphasis mine) You also have other studies showing women getting preferential hiring treatment, that I can't be arsed to look for at 11pm, which are equally "waved off".
/r/MensRights06/07/15 06:14 AM
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If a group of people want more flexibility in schedules and more time off then it will result in less benefits in other areas holding all other factors constant. Not sure why this is a hard concept. It's not a hard concept at all. I'm just trying to get to the root of the concern, why these people want more flexibility, while another group values the benefits that the rest are missing out on. And vice-versa.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 05:27 AM
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We can still look at what influences individual choice, and see whether women are pressured more in one direction than men are (passive discrimination).
/r/MensRights06/07/15 05:16 AM
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No one has to be 'doing' anything. It's not an accusation, it's just commentary. It's like saying, "Who knocked the tree over?" when it was just the result off too many dogs peeing on the roots, and a strong enough wind. Society has built itself up in this way over time, and I'm not any more responsible for how society is than anyone else. However, we can study societies and try to find the problems with it, without passing judgement on the individuals living within it. It's about asking questio…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 04:42 AM
3

That's pretty interesting. I'm wondering what the difference is between STEM and the regular work-force, and whether the different bias is due to affirmative action. This part at the bottom sums up my feelings on it pretty succinctly: The low numbers of women in math-based fields of science do not result from sexist hiring, but rather from women's lower rates of choosing to enter math-based fields in the first place, due to sex differences in preferred careers and perhaps to lack of female role …
/r/MensRights06/07/15 04:32 AM
3

Alright, I'm making my way though this slowly, and I'm about 7 minutes in. I thought it was kind of interesting about the paradox, about how the more gender-equal a society is (though I haven't seen anything about how that's calculated), the less women want to take on technical jobs (and vice-versa). Again, I'm only 7 minutes in and it's 39 minutes, so it's hard to pass judgement so early, but I can say that I'll give it a chance, and get back to you when I'm finished (probably late tomorrow, si…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 04:22 AM
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I posted a link to the Cornell study in another comment, which afaik is the most well-known look into biased hiring practices. I haven't seen any other studies, and googling was pretty useless.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 04:07 AM
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There is such rampant downvoting here of the mere suggestion that feminism isn't entirely terrible. It's full of hyperbole and conspiracy theories and unfounded claims from bogus sources that never get fact-checked because everyone is in agreement. Calling it the worst might be a stretch, but for a place that prides itself on open discussion, the discussion is anything but open.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 03:57 AM
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Nothing you've said or done gives any indication that you're the latter. Maybe because you haven't tried at all to debate with me. Just a thought.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 03:29 AM
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Look, I get that and all, but what use is it telling me that you don't want to have the debate? Let someone else take it up, without strawmanning the hell out of me, and saying that I'm just like everyone else you've ever debated in here. Leave if you don't want to have the conversation, instead of fuelling the echo chamber by making me out to be some kind of troll.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 03:14 AM
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At least I'm offering something other than the wave of a hand telling someone to fuck off. If you don't want to link the studies, wait for someone else to so that I can at least consider them instead of just saying that I'm wrong without giving a good reason why.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 03:04 AM
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Let's then look into the reasons that people make the decisions they do. What societal factors play a role in the decisions we make? Your argument would be that they're all steeped in biology (since the difference between men and women's decisions is based on their gender). But there are other factors as well. We can agree that some things are innate, such as sexual orientation. But other things, like mental health, that's effected later on down the road, often based on environmental factors. I'…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 02:53 AM
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This is what I don't like about the mensrights subreddit. You have Cornell studies posted in scientific american which show that something is real, or has a high likelihood of being something to consider, and you wave it off saying "that 'fact' is highly debatable." No mention of the 'highly debatable' false-rape statistics you guys throw around. Every study that shows that women have it worse than men, you ignore out of habit, because it doesn't fit into your worldview. And then your explanatio…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 02:44 AM
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You're saying that the pay gap is higher in Norway and Sweden, but also calling them more gender-equal. What are you basing gender equality on?
/r/MensRights06/07/15 02:33 AM
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Yeah, but at least let's change the fact that given two identical resumes, it's more likely that the one with a man's name will be hired. That's discrimination too.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 02:23 AM
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we've had several decades of initiatives and subsidies designed to encourage more women into university and the workforce. and what are they choosing to do? You're acting like there isn't any societal pressure in the other direction. That we've totally flipped the script on gender roles, and now girls are only being encouraged to go into STEM fields (which they are, by the way, more and more each year). Mothers want their daughters to stay at home still. There are a lot more women in teaching th…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 02:12 AM
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It is a kind of discrimination. It's a socialized discrimination, which discourages women from taking on these higher-paying jobs. No one's saying "women should earn less than men at my company," but no one really goes out of their way to hire women over men. That's systemic discrimination which "same money for the same job" statistics tend to distort.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 01:51 AM
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>Implying /r/mensrights isn't the biggest echochamber on reddit.
/r/MensRights06/07/15 01:41 AM
3

They're getting rid of the feminism category, so isn't it basically the same thing?
/r/MensRights18/01/15 02:29 AM
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You only addressed one of my points, one which I admitted was the weakest of the lot. Are you interested in having a debate? Or squabbling pettily over that one argument?
/r/MensRights31/12/14 08:21 AM
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The key word in your statement is "unambiguously." That's a bit intellectually dishonest, since archaeological evidence only goes back so far. Even in Ancient Greece, much is shrouded in ambiguity. With that said: According to Rohrlich, "many scholars are convinced that Crete was a matriarchy, ruled by a queen-priestess" and the "Cretan civilization" was "matriarchal" before "1500 B.C.," when it was overrun and colonized. -- Also according to Rohrlich, "in the early Sumerian city-states 'matriar…
/r/MensRights31/12/14 07:54 AM
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The only difference now is that women believe they're oppressed and won't accept a role of caring for a man in labor intensive work. They want both power and the ability to sit on their arse all day. The problem with your logic, I think, comes in here. Generally, I think you're right about gender roles being mainly attributed to hormonal differences. However, this doesn't exclude deviations from the norm, and therefore it's a bit fallacious to generalize 'women' as this homogenous group. Aren't …
/r/MensRights31/12/14 07:29 AM
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Don't be snarky. Give a reasoned, thought-out answer. Why do genders have inherently different interests? Is it biological, like body-strength or hormone balance? Are women socially conditioned to be a certain way from birth onwards (in such a way that it's essentially inherent)?
/r/MensRights31/12/14 05:18 AM
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What do you think the reason for that is?
/r/MensRights31/12/14 03:51 AM
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10% is still a pretty large proportion...
/r/MensRights11/11/14 03:16 AM
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That's fair. Obviously there is discrimination on both sides, and men voicing their opinions on women's issues are often met with scorn. And males can certainly be sexually harassed as well, it just doesn't happen quite as often. The counter argument is that someone who discards a nuanced, informed opinion on a subject just because of their gender probably isn't worth debating anyway. But the good news is that people like that make up a (vocal) minority of both the feminist and mens rights movem…
/r/MensRights25/10/14 03:19 AM
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I'm going to try and have this discussion, and it's gonna piss a lot of people off here, so keep that in mind before reading further. I'm not trying to argue, or start a debate, just tell you my opinion on the matter. Try and have an open mind on the subject. Personally, I agree with the idea of privilege. It just makes sense to me. I'm a white, middle class male, and it would be dishonest for me to say that I don't have some certain privileges. First of all, I was born in Canada. This gives me …
/r/MensRights25/10/14 12:23 AM
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What minorities and women need to understand and accept is that they were GIVEN their rights and status by white males out of a sense of moral duty. "BOW DOWN TO YOUR MASTERS, GIVERS OF RIGHTS."
/r/MensRights24/10/14 07:37 PM
1

Or some idiot actually said "I'm going to go to your house and rape you"? Is that really so hard to believe?
/r/MensRights03/09/14 02:52 PM
0

Can't you can run them yourself to see if she's lying?
/r/MensRights03/09/14 04:41 AM
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Yeah, these women aren't very trustworthy, but at the same time, the fact that you're posting in /r/mensrights and that these women are (rightfully or not) lauded as feminit icons is a sign of prejudice existing. I'm not going to weigh in on the accuracy of those points (of which at least few are in dispute/doubtful), but just having facts to a conclusion doesn't excuse you from being prejudiced. It's like when a white supremacist posts statistics about how black men commit more crimes; sure you…
/r/MensRights03/09/14 02:42 AM
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And due to your prejudices, you're predisposed to think that Anita and Zoe are lying. That's the thing with opinions, everyone has one. What's wrong is assuming that the person who has an opinion that isn't yours must be too naive.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 02:19 AM
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Fair enough, but you're over here claiming that all these people are gullible and that you're the enlightened thinker who's seen inside the matrix. The fact of the matter is that the people who support Anita and Zoe have their own perfectly reasonable reasons for doing so. Just because you think that they're lying doesn't make the people who believe them gullible.
/r/MensRights03/09/14 02:08 AM
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how gullible her target audience is? Why does everyone always assume that they're smarter than the people they disagree with?
/r/MensRights03/09/14 01:47 AM
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You have to imagine that the same people who share an interest in this are the same people who go on Xbox live and talk about raping people's mothers. Is it really so hard to beleive that one of those people couldn't have made a threat, or that they wouldn't have? I've seen people make rape threats on reddit; shit, just read stuff in /r/subredditdrama. Do I think that they were serious? No, of course not. But were the threats made? Almost certainly. Because that's just how immature some people a…
/r/MensRights03/09/14 01:23 AM
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Did they do a similar study for men? Because if so, I couldn't imagine the numbers being all that different. If my wife were to rob a bank, for example, I wouldn't leave her. It wouldn't be about the money, it would just be that I'd value our relationship more than the moral thing.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 11:27 AM
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I'm talking about how the feminist movement has gotten more reproductive rights for females.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 01:02 AM
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but I've never read that "the majority of those opposed to abortion are women." I always thought that it was both men and women who were opposed, and mostly for religious reasons. Where can I read more about this?
/r/MensRights23/06/14 07:36 PM
1

You'll also see more stay-at-home dads now then before. It goes both ways.
/r/MensRights23/06/14 07:24 PM
0

Yeah, I can agree with this. Obviously any movement that's vindictive or looking to get back at a perceived wrong instead of just correcting it isn't a good movement to stand behind. But I think the pope is at fault for over-simplifying the issue. He says that feminism hasn't done anything since the 1920s which isn't true at all. Since that time women have gained better reproductive rights, better access to education, and better access to the workplace. Feminism isn't a vindictive movement even …
/r/MensRights23/06/14 07:14 PM
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I'm not whining about them, I just know that what I wrote is likely to get buried over here because it goes against the usual dialogue over here. I was asking that you guys do me the favour of not downvoting because what I wrote is relevant to the discussion and by burying it all that's accomplished is that the circlejerk continues uninterrupted. I don't even care about the downvotes (seeing as I have like 730 000 points to spare) it's the lack of replies to go along with the downvotes thats bot…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 07:04 PM
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What about when it comes to reproductive rights? Or for the empowerment of women in developing nations? Those are the two main things I see the feminist movement striving for today (outside of tumblr, that is).
/r/MensRights23/06/14 06:53 PM
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I'm going to post the comment I left in /r/news for the sake of discussion. I'm going to ask that you don't downvote just because you disagree with what I'm saying; instead leave a comment in reply to mine so there's at least some discussion. Anyway... The Pope says, "Feminism does not do any favours to those it claims to represent" which doesn't make any sense if you look at what the movement has done for women's (and even to a degree men's) rights in the last century. Just 60 years ago the nuc…
/r/MensRights23/06/14 06:21 PM
1

Especially if he's quoting an interview he did with an MRA, not something he found online.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 09:28 PM
3

Can you explain how his ideas agree more with feminism?
/r/MensRights14/06/14 08:06 PM
0

An easier time getting jobs in STEM fields, not having to put up with as much sexual harassment, not being forced to decide between a career and a family, higher income, lower rate of sexual abuse, just to name what I can think of off the top of my head.
/r/MensRights02/06/14 12:38 AM
0

I'm fine with "trigger warnings". It's no different in concept from NSFW. "Rape culture", on the other hand is usually portrayed as being a culture in which rape is excused and acceptable. I've seen no evidence of this. The way I've seen it used is that our society will defend rapists (example: Steubenville), and marginalize the victims with things like 'slut shaming' or other victim-blaming measures. Of course, there are a ton of people who overuse it or use it in situations where it doesn't ap…
/r/MensRights01/06/14 11:42 PM
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I've seen a lot of MRAs on this board call for any woman who falsely accuses a man of rape to be thrown in jail longer than the accused rapist would be. So it's not an outright fabrication, it's just an exaggeration of what the main MR's goal is.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 11:21 PM
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Can you give me a citation for there being a majority of feminists who do hate men?
/r/MensRights01/06/14 11:11 PM
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I agree with them on most things, namely when it comes to males having certain privilege (women have their own as well, just not as much of it). I dislike how a lot of people over here or on TiA misinterpret terms like 'rape culture' or 'trigger warnings' which are perfectly okay in 99% of their uses, but instead take the 1% and exaggerate them.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 10:57 PM
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(Male victims of rape don't exist; female rapists don't exist; the personal is political. That's a strawman if I've ever seen one. Yes some feminists hold that belief, but it's hardly a majority.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 07:04 PM
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There's a reason that feminists don't fight against that, and it's not really something I can argue with. They just don't want to see victims punished. Look at it this way: once you levy a penalty for 'crying wolf' all of a sudden a rape victim has to either win the case (which doesn't actually happen as much as it should since evidence can be hard to come by), or else he or she gets thrown into prison. In this situation, it only makes it harder for the victims to come forward, because they're s…
/r/MensRights01/06/14 06:27 PM
0

You have to remember that dictionaries don't even agree on terms much of the time. That's one of the reasons that in debate, one of the key aspects is one side defining the terms, and the other side challenging those definitions.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 06:12 PM
1

And "Always be recording?" That's taking it way too far.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 06:01 PM
11

I think a good thing to know is why someone might say that. In my experience, someone says that when they think that you're just being critical for the sake of poking holes in their argument, and aren't open to having your opinion changed. They say it because they want the discussion to be over -- they think that they're wasting their time because no matter what they say or what sources they provide, you're just going to ignore them. Again, this isn't because that's what's actually happening, bu…
/r/MensRights01/06/14 06:29 AM
1

I'm not sure if you're serious or not. This is some fearmongering bullshit.
/r/MensRights01/06/14 06:19 AM
0

What's happening is that men are now more likely to define being sexually assaulted as rape... we still don't know the relative percentages of men or women being sexually assaulted. When men start consistently defining women forcing them to have sex as rape, likely that number will skyrocket again. And if it's at 38% now... Wait, so men are reporting sexual assault as rape, but not forced sex as rape? And if the sexual assault isn't rape, but is just sexual assault, then the numbers don't really…
/r/MensRights30/04/14 07:06 PM
1

Just saying that I am just 'just saying'.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 09:36 AM
2

I think it had more to do with "oh, they're a conservative organization, they're probably going to skew what I say to make me look bad." Then that's exactly what happened, in a lovely twist of irony.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 01:39 AM
2

It is relevant when you can take things out of context to make things look the way you want them to look. For all you know they interviewed 1000 feminists, and the ones featured in this video were the only ones with a problem about them being Conservative. Even then, it's kind of funny that their objections had to do with not wanting to be taken out of context by an ideologically opposed news group, and now that's exactly what's happening.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 01:28 AM
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SOME feminists did, at SOME POINT after talking about inclusive atmospheres. I'm sure if you went to a Mens Rights event and asked around, you'd hear the exact same kind of things. Then all I'd have to do is edit it a little, and suddenly I've made all MRAs out to be hypocritical dickbags who hate women.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 01:18 AM
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Look at it this way; the video was filmed, edited and posted by Campus Reform. They don't focus in the video on anything other than the fact that the feminists came after them for being conservative, and THEY are the ones who brought it up in the first place. It seems like they went in specifically to get this particular reaction so that they could put it up and get it shared around.
/r/MensRights03/04/14 01:06 AM
0

you need to acquire some reading comprehension Reading comprehension of a comment that I hadn't seen yet?
/r/MensRights18/03/14 10:08 PM
-1

Where did that happen? There was some thread here yesterday. I only saw it on SRD though.
/r/MensRights18/03/14 09:26 PM
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I clicked on a link to it from a default sub, and saw this post. I figured since I don't like /r/MensRights, my opinion would be valid.
/r/MensRights18/03/14 08:27 PM
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Why?
/r/MensRights18/03/14 05:28 PM
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Yeah, I'm not saying that MRA = TRP, I'm saying that most RPers are also MRAs and that negatively colours MRAs. As for the thread I mentioned, most of the comments in the thread not only were applauding the judge for not punishing the guy, but they were also blaming the 13 year old girl because she lied and said she was 14 (because that's so much better). And with the extremists, I agree that there are a lot of fair and reasonable MRAs, the problem is that there seem to be a higher proportion of…
/r/MensRights18/03/14 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I agree that Feminism can work against men in a lot of areas where it could be helping men, without hurting women as well. Domestic violence is one of those areas. I don't have a problem with Mens Rights when it addresses those issues. What I do disagree with is when there are comments defending 21 year-old guys who sleep with 13 year-old girls, or saying that rape culture isn't a thing, or anything along those lines. It just seems counter-productive in a lot of ways. Then there's the affi…
/r/MensRights18/03/14 04:40 PM
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We are not a hateful sub like SRS. We are not deluded into thinking that we are better than anyone You're missing the point of SRS. SRS isn't a sub full of hateful people, they instead exaggerate things in order to parody the comments that they're linking to.
/r/MensRights18/03/14 04:32 PM
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That's not it at all. I'm a guy, and I really dislike this subreddit. There is way too much in here that just seems reactionary to feminism and saying why feminism is terrible, instead of focusing on mens rights. Most of the times I come over here, it looks more like /r/AntiFeminism then one fighting for the rights of men. It's that perception which is why people look down on this subreddit.
/r/MensRights18/03/14 04:30 PM
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