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I never said “all women want to date criminals and bad guys” That is hyperbolic and absurd. I feel the complaint many men have is that many women respond positively certain problematic behaviors that are common to womanizers and criminals. And to say that you can just “avoid those women” is disingenuous because it’s really common for women to like certain things. For instance I’ve had women who were not crazy, be a little sad that I’m not the jealous type. Or that I despise violence, or that I b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 06:11 PM
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You keep saying “dysfunctional women” As I said in another reply, I’d say the argument you’re trying to refute is that “women like criminals” and I concede that that is hyperbole and I disagree. Where I feel the need to push back is I think that even though certain behaviors are problematic, women respond well to those behaviors. Much more broadly than just two crazies falling for each other. And it’s fair to criticize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:38 PM
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Well yeah I think that’s part of the issue. People engage in bad faith debate tactics here. Like for instance saying “women like criminals” it’s absurd. I think what those folks are getting at is there are traits like… assertiveness, spontaneity, and confidence bordering on arrogance are traits that criminals and and the “sexy man archetype” have in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:24 PM
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Well presumably it was very difficult for a woman to make it on her own back in the day. So that’s my whole point, if you wanted to have a normal life you had to marry a guy from the time period and place you were from. Which I’ve been told, most men from the time were chauvinistic a-holes. So if the prevailing wisdom of today is that short humble guys should just die alone. Then I think it’s a pretty good parallel. I’m not saying it’s anyone’s responsibility to date someone they’re not attracte…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:14 PM
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So how about a less extreme example. Like beauty standards. In the 90s would you have defended the fashion industry? Telling girls that they should suck it up and deal with the fact that everyone thinks the only way to be pretty is to be sick and malnourished? My whole point is you can have compassion and understanding. Nobody is enemies here, you’re not losing ground by saying “I understand” “that must be hard” And if you want to go with an even more extreme example, I don’t berate every Christ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:31 PM
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I think it’s actually perfect. You’re ignoring the context of an over correction to that exact historical injustice. So now people think it’s okay to bash men and minimize the problems that face them in the world today. You will never hear me say that women haven’t had a rough go in history. Yet it’s very common for people to minimize men’s problems with banal stoic platitudes: “control what you can control” “focus on yourself” Like if a girl was complaining about beauty standards people defend …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:04 PM
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Eh it’s what women are receptive to. God I wish they were more receptive to direct communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:55 PM
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Gonna say the boring thing here. It’s all about balance, and being a good match for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:53 PM
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Okay what if it’s your sisters and aunts and cousins and coworkers and people like that. Edit: and of course I mean problematic attitudes towards gender roles and intersexual dynamics. I don’t necessarily mean chicks who write to Ted Bundy. More like just women in your life who clearly still value problematic behavior as “romantic” or “sexy”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:26 PM
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If it’s clear they don’t like you. How would you know who is going to be receptive if you’re not winking and smiling and flirting with babes. Gotta put your line in the water if you want to catch a fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:25 PM
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I think you’re ignoring what may be a larger societal trend. Minimizing it as “a few women you can just avoid”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:22 PM
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I don’t understand these arguments. If you were in the 1900s would you tell women “stop complaining about the prevailing chauvinistic views of intersexual dynamics! Just don’t date those type of guys”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:20 PM
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It’s all about balance. If you’re doing well, taking care of yourself, you’re wasting your potential not actively pursuing women you fancy. Also if you always take a passive approach to dating it kinda feels like you’re at the whim of the universe and without much control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:54 PM
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Well I said it’s good for people to seek help and not bottle up emotions. Ever since you have been trying to justify NOT letting out your emotions. I think maybe you should just work on being more clear in your communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:12 PM
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look lady, all I’m saying is I think mentally unwell people commit crimes. So I guess if you want to disagree that mentally unwell people should get help then I guess that’s your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:03 PM
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So we agree. It’s important to have an outlet. To have a safe space to vent and such. That’s the responsible thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:55 PM
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Well to be fair if people never indulge their emotions and then snap and do something terrible, that’s kinda like OVER controlling your emotions. Like they probably should have been given a safe space to indulge in their emotions before they flew off the handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:48 PM
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Just want to mention that even though im a medium tall guy who works out a lot. I too am afraid of some of these absolute units that I see. Men can be afraid of violence from men too. Especially us little weaklings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:44 PM
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Fairness and partnership are more important than gender roles and arbitrary bullshit. Don’t think less of him because he’s humble.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:50 PM
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I watched a video yesterday on r/mademesmile where an, overweight, older woman was being really sweet to her husband. Just bigging him up, telling him she appreciated him and how he means so much to her etc. I was like damn I’d marry this bitch, she’s twice my age and three times my weight but damn if someone talk to me like that I’d be smitten. TLDR I disagree. If the person is good and the relationship is good then who cares how old and fat we get.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 05:48 PM
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I’m here to say that women can do anything that men can do outside of like fighting and lifting heavy stuff. In general, in the broadest of generalizations. My issue is with women who are all ”rah rah! Girls can be CEOs!” While simultaneously thinking stay at home dads are icky or somehow less of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:19 PM
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The either/or is really harsh here. In this day and age both parents gotta work AND perform at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:04 PM
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While I completely agree. OP specifically tried to ask an either or type question. Given the railroad problem, everyone would draw a third set of tracks that has no people tied to it if that were an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:55 PM
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Can’t wait for all the responses “both” Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:32 PM
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Agreed. I just want people to know that there’s nothing wrong with politely shooting your shot. If you’re a good person with a little sense, then just go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:31 PM
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Ghosting and flaking is unforgivable. I don’t care if I’m not your type. Just tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:24 PM
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“Be confident and just ask her out” is good advice and I think it is perfectly fine. I see many takes on this sub that would suggest that there’s people out there who think this is not okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:10 PM
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I’d say taking action is pretty much the first step in achieving any goal. And all PC dating advice for men is basically “try not to think about it, hope for the best” That’s all I’m trying to push back against.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:20 PM
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Im telling you that certain aspects of game work. For instance boldly approaching and escalating in a romantic/sexual way. Too many young men were shamed into thinking it’s wrong to have desires or (god forbid) act on those desires. So you end up like me just talking about hobbies or the news or whatever, like an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:58 PM
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It’s the same as hot girls luring guys into robberies. We have base desires and biases that people exploit. If you’re retarded enough to fall for it then you get exactly what you deserve
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 06:04 PM
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It’s the classic “anyone can have whatever preference they want” but some people are supported more and their preferences are more normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 03:33 PM
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I think it’s more important to maintain intellectual integrity and fairness. I’m not a “traditionally manly man” so I don’t require a “traditionally feminine woman” Where people get pissed is in the hypocrisy. If you’re claiming to be a woke, liberal, feminist, then desiring all the things you claim to be “problematic” is intellectually disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 03:15 PM
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I guess because people have different preferences. I honestly feel like most men are more evolved when it comes to this stuff. I never hear men in public talking about how they want some braindead, busty, suckpuppet/maid. On the other hand I routinely hear women in public lamenting all the good things about feminism and longing for gender roles of yesteryear. “Working sucks I need to marry rich” blah blah blah….
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 03:00 PM
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Well as defined by the adults who raised them. For instance. I was raised not to engage in double entendre and innuendo in polite conversation. I was raised to consider the other persons opinion when planning a hangout. Both of those are major mistakes in dating. Plausible deniability while making things sexual is a necessity in flirting. This is achieved through innuendo and double entendres. When planning a date most women prefer you just say “we should hang out, you, me coffee 11a Saturday” r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:23 PM
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Personally I never developed “game” for this reason. It’s great, I’m very lucky. However it does feel kinda weird knowing I’ve never successfully pursued a girl I liked. It was always just accepting the advances of a girl who chose me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:25 PM
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Stop saying nice guy when you mean manipulative jerk. I think a lot of “nice guys” out there are just guys who were raised to neuter themselves socially. They might have good relationships with women in their family, friend group, or professional environment. They just can’t make themselves a sexual being in the eyes of women. But they’re not all evil, antisocial, trolls. Likely they’re doing their best to be better than the men that came before them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 06:58 PM
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It’s easy to say “everyone can have whatever preferences they want” and “just stay away from those types” But it ignores the context. Could you imagine telling a woman in Saudi Arabia “just don’t date one of those super conservative, religious guys”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:47 PM
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Okay and I think that’s silly. Why would you indoctrinate kids to believe they’re not powerful enough to provide for themselves. It’s sad. I would never defend the message that girls are somehow weak and need a man to take care of them. It’s 2024….
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:33 PM
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My whole point is men should take care of kids, it’s not against some arbitrary rule. Furthermore many “man chores” are easy and any woman could do them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:30 PM
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Nah. I dont want any humiliation though for anyone. I’d say personally I’d be more cool with like swinging. If I’m in the room I want to be involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:48 PM
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I just think you need to learn how to seduce women. I know personally I tend to keep things too professional and too polite. Which is gentlemanly sure, but it’s not exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:45 PM
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It is frustrating that a group that bashes masculinity also clearly desires it in a lot of ways. I get it. I feel bad for dudes who might be judged for not being “manly enough”. Especially when it’s something stupid like asking where you want to go on a date vs stating where and when. That seems like being polite. Not some indication that you’re a weak loser lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:43 PM
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Freedom of speech is not freedom from scrutiny. Anyone who is this hypocritical is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:15 PM
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I think modern men do. Reasonable people of course would be willing to do things that are arbitrarily coded for a certain gender. Men can look after kids. Women can refill wiper fluid. It’s about fairness and partnership. Who gives a fuck about who “traditionally” cleans the gutters. Like the gutters are dirty, whoever is free can clean the gutters, no need to have a philosophical debate about it. If you are capable, if you have free hands, you do the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:42 PM
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Yes but rarely does anyone ever shout from the rooftops the evils of the lottery. If you did, then I would say, don’t play the lottery. I’d be confused by the inconsistency if the same person shouting about the evils of the lottery was secretly buying tickets and dreaming about winning it. It’s intellectually disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:17 PM
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Well, that’s what I’m saying. It makes no sense. They say, with their mouths, out loud, how much they lament the daily grind and want to just date a rich guy instead. So it’s not like I’ve made an assumption or some straw man. It’s real people I know and care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:18 PM
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Just want to gently push back that you could just be in a shit swamp. Like on balance there are likely less healthy people in the world than you think. That’s a society problem. Not an individual problem. Furthermore. Sometimes positive traits attract bad people. It’s not always two people with the same character flaw being drawn to one another. It’s sometimes positive things that attract bad people to good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 06:57 PM
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Except almost no man has had that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:53 PM
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Hmm I’m gonna take the bold stance that it’s wrong. Even if it is just preference. Because at some point the message is so loud and ubiquitous that it does affect people’s expectations. Even if it isn’t explicitly stated that “all women should look this way” it’s implied and it’s normalized. I reckon many women feel hard done by those expectations and the implication that they’re not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:11 PM
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While I understand where you’re coming from, in that everyone can prefer whatever they like, I gotta ask. How do you feel about the depiction of beauty standards in advertising? Is it okay to portray emaciated, sick young girls as the peak of beauty? Is that fair to file under “a matter of preference”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:48 PM
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My whole thing is fairness. You can’t claim to be a modern enlightened person while still dreaming of a yesteryear where you would basically just be a jobless homemaker. If you make a lot of money it should OPEN the dating pool for you (man or woman). That is if you are truly a modern person and not a slave to traditional values and antiquated, arbitrary gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:36 PM
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I agree, however it seems to be reductive. I think people are more than their money. Just like I think a woman is more than a sex object and baby factory. Of course nobody wants to date a destitute person. But a humble teacher? Is that guy less of a man than a masters of the universe Wall Street guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:21 PM
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this is refreshing to see. Of the successful women I know who are dating, pretty much all of them have arbitrary filters in place in their minds. The filters I feel eliminate men who might be great partners. A CNA who takes care of the elderly, or a guy who is an elementary teacher, are going to be filtered out. Even though these guys have a beautiful purpose and might be absolute angels. Not that rich guys can’t be angels too but I’m saying that it takes more than money to be a good partner. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 04:08 PM
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I think it’s great that women are succeeding in academics and in the workplace. What I wonder is when they will start to value men for their personality over potential provisioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 03:34 PM
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When you see a girl you like, hit on her. Boldly pursue her and don’t worry about hiding your intentions. In fact, make it super clear you’re not interested in being pals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:26 PM
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I got news for you. The world around Adam will be demonstrating its preference for Caleb his whole life and it might make Adam a little bummed out. How would you console him?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:36 PM
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I think a lot of young men were shamed so hard about their sexuality that many men just castrate themselves socially. I know guys who have female friends, get along great with female coworkers, yet can’t seem to make things sexual or romantic with girls. I wouldn’t call it a personality “flaw” to be sooooo polite and professional you can’t effectively communicate your desire. Especially when the thing you desire is something you were taught never to bring up in polite conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:34 PM
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Older women are so much easier to get along with, can be very sexy, and freaky to boot. Just gotta know what everyone is trying to find and be honest about it. If you want kids then even though she’s smoking hot and super interesting then it’s just not a good fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:26 PM
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As an (above average) handsome guy with poor social skills I can tell you that it really is a thing. Sometimes girls just choose you. But learning to sell yourself will make you feel like you have more control over your life and agency in the process. It’s great when you luck out and someone chooses you. However you will have more success if you go out there and boldly pursue girls you actually want to be with. I reckon that’s true no matter what you look like. It also makes you feel like you’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:23 PM
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I mean. I’ve been called lots of names for telling a girl I’m not interested. Verbal abuse, reputation destruction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:15 PM
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Everyone says this about young kids and I don’t get it. How is a young boy less mature than a young girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:55 PM
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Yeah but if you’re decently attractive then you’re wasting your life away if you’re not shooting your shot. No sense in being a demure, gentleman when people really don’t big you up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:50 PM
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I 100% agree. That’s the issue. Why is it “unsexy” to speak about it explicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:14 PM
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I’ll start caring about these arguments when people grow up and it’s no longer a “mood killer” to just ask or explicitly state your intent. There’s zero way to define these things in the context of flirting which as it is currently is all about plausible deniability.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:51 PM
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I’ve had better luck than with my age peers. I’m impressive to a girl with nothing. I’m nothing to a girl who is my equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 05:44 PM
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I disagree. As a man. If you are struggling everyone tells you you need to work on yourself and join a club. Very few will advocate for boldly pursuing women in pretty much any arena.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 04:58 PM
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A lot of it comes down to time and place. There’s that saying. “When preparation meets opportunity” or some such.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 02:06 PM
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I’d say the less we all engage in this kind of “hyperbole” the better. It makes it hard to talk about issues. I’m sure women can understand why it might make you feel sad if someone says “men are all evil jerks” especially if you are trying hard not to be an evil jerk. Kinda like I’m sure it hurts when men assume “all women are weak, emotional, and yada yada yada” Let’s all be a little kinder to each other and try to talk about issues. If you attack the argument, and share your lived experience.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 04:51 PM
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Sure it does. It’s a pretty obvious service.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:50 PM
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Nothing false about the equivalency. Two institutions. Providing a service. Depending on the time frame and geographical location you choose to zoom in on. Can be either positive, neutral, or negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:33 PM
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I’d say that’s a problem of access and control. Just like kids shouldn’t have access to cigarettes or vapes. But I don’t think they should be illegal. Religious institutions have killed discriminately and pillaged entire continents. Yet, people find tremendous comfort and community in their faith. I would never suggest that a religion is one of society’s greatest ills. Even though I think you’d have a stronger case than that against porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 09:15 PM
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Society’s greatest ill? Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:04 PM
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I hate this analogy. It’s not only reductive but I think it misrepresents men. Most men I know would rather drive a Toyota truck or a manual transmission Honda civic. Lamborghinis are expensive headaches. Men only buy them because it’s a peacock feather. By the same token. I think most men would rather be with a soft 6 who is a beautiful soul than a 10 who will make your life hell. IMHO.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:02 PM
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Ma’am, you’re the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 07:33 PM
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“In a feeble attempt to justify your porn addiction” Did someone say bad faith? How about take a stab at refuting just one argument rather than going ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 06:04 PM
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Absolutely. Just trying to facilitate understanding. That’s my whole point. Women do tend to be quite forgiving, they will give you the benefit of the doubt if you’re not hideous or rude. Which is really quite noble of them considering all the criminals and con men out there. Despite all the inflammatory rhetoric online, women don’t truly believe ALL men are violent, psychos. It’s all just pushback against a time when women really did have it rough. Is it a little unfair, sure, but then so is sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 05:31 PM
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While I kinda agree. As a guy who was raised to be pure milquetoast but is also blessed in a lot of ways women care about, I can honestly say that developing some kind of edge does help. But as you said, being well groomed and in good shape is a great place to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 09:10 PM
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Id tell him that there’s nothing ungentlemanly about boldly pursuing a girl you like. I think a lot of great guys basically desexualize themselves and approach dating like they would a job. They are polite and professional. Which does not a Casanova make. Bad boys are not necessarily sexy because they do drugs or ride a motorcycle. It’s the dgaf devil may care attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 08:18 PM
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That’s the issue. When one person has all these rules but then can’t understand your side of the story. I find it’s common for women to be disgusted by their partner watching porn occasionally. But then can’t understand why their man might take issue with their smutty book obsession. What’s fair is fair and when it’s not it’s not. That’s when you GTFO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 05:23 PM
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Oh for sure lol but my point is that this is one of those weird grey areas that gets overlooked in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:51 PM
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What about the attention and validation people get from strangers? Not having sex but entertaining a plausibly deniable flirt sesh? All I care about is fairness, people can have whatever kind of relationship they like IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:09 PM
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I feel like you guys agree. It’s only unethical if it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:41 PM
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It’s only unethical when it is. Otherwise, actors sign paperwork which is about as concrete consent as can be. On the other hand in romance novels, it is pretty common to have scenes where consent is less explicit than a signed document. Not saying there’s anything wrong with romance novels either, but written porn is often implied to be more ethical. You can’t approach one with blanket dismissal and then defend similar themes in another.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 02:11 PM
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I like to steal a term from the feminists. Internalized misandry. While I do not truly believe that women will call the cops on you for politely approaching them, I can understand why so many men believe that. They’ve been told their whole lives that men are at their core, evil, violent etc. or at least it’s been demonstrated that that is the prevailing sentiment among women. So yeah I don’t necessarily agree but I think you can forgive guys for thinking that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:18 PM
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1 picture of Dorian grey 2 dune 3 Frankenstein 4 lord of the rings series 5 into thin air
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 06:04 PM
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I feel like you can read the room if you have defeated your internalized misandry. If there wasn’t a whole bunch of conflicting advice and misandry out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:44 PM
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Telling a man he’s nothing without a 6 figure salary is toxic and creates more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:03 PM
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It’s not illegal. True. Yet men are absolutely taught that certain things are ungentlemanly. Then you go on to find that those ungentlemanly things are actually required for flirting and courtship. So while there is hyperbole out there, and people saying how all these bad things might happen. I feel like that is resentment and pushback to all the rules boys hear growing up. Which basically makes you feel like a disgusting pig for just having normal desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:41 PM
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