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Theres getting cheated on something painful but recoverable Then there's getting cheated on and having to raise a child for at least 18 years that isn't your responsibility and never finding out or finding out. Years of your life gone and an emotional attachment that may no longer be valid on the whims of the woman you're with or the biological father.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:53 PM

You mean you're not going to tell every man you see that he just isnt trying hard enough or that his personality is shit so he can't attract women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:51 PM
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How is a womans sexual past imaginary? How is it imaginary that she would do certain things for or more frequently for one man but not the other/current man she's dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:50 PM
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Tell that to the women who think its ridiculous, illogical and insecure for a man to consider a womans past let alone the woman he's with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:48 PM
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I'm being facetious to the women who truly believe a man being concerned with her sexual past is ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:46 PM
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Its vague but they both involve that mans future with that particular woman. Women scoff at a prenup or get insulted to the point they may break up with a man, the same way guys get insulted to learn he is not the best that woman has had be it sexually or in other aspects. Both deserve to be told they're simply being insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:44 PM
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It does not have to be invasive once the baby is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:40 PM
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No it matters very much, once a baby is on the way to be tested, it can only happen once as that woman cannot get pregnant again until that baby is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:39 PM
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They both deal with trust but I suppose I should've titled things more "women who are insulted by paternity tests deserve the same advice as men who are concerned with thier partners sexual past."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:35 PM
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People have more business trips than children, that comparrison doesn't really stand in my opinion, try a different analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:31 PM
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No any woman who has a problem with it should be met with the same sentiment women give men on that topic, stop being so insecure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:30 PM
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Not really both arguably concern that mans future than his trust/lack of trust in the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:28 PM
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Not really. It heavily determines a mans future its not about his trust of his woman lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:27 PM
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Lol. They're not related but the same sentiment can be shared about them. Any woman that calls a man insecure about being concerned with his dates/girlfriends sexual past should never be insecure if a man asks for a prenup or a paternity test as its more about his future than his distrust of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:26 PM
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See there it is, its the same way a woman can acknowledge another man is attractive or a past lover is better in bed. Why even compare it in the first place? If you know you didnt step out, why be so offended by it or it being mandatory?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:25 PM
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Its about trust and insecurity. Men are insecure for judging thier partner on thier sexual past especially in comparison to thier current relationship. Women are insecure for being offended by a mans need for a paternity test or prenup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:23 PM
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If you don't trust thier feelings due to thier sexual past. It is indeed rooted in insecurity. As is the womans belief you don't trust her to make sure the baby is yours, lets not forget nurses can accidentally swap babies given the right circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:21 PM
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That would be logical if most men got around like that or had the options to do so. A womans sexual past is ALL about how she treats her current partner. If she was willing to make more sacrifices or compromises for her ex or an ex lover or just straight up had more sexual desire for them and acted on it but not you supposedly the man she wants and loves most in that current moment its very telling of how intense her feelings for you actually are. These are all things that can be constantly moni…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:19 PM
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Yes, this time more understandably so as it can determine his future. Thus it warrants the same reaction women feed men of controlling thier insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:14 PM
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If abortion also takes tax payers money mandatory paternity tests should as well. Men should not falsley have to be responsible for a kid that isnt thiers, that is emotionally taxing and abusive to put a man in that vulnerable a spot when mandatory paternity tests could easily solve the issue, setting that man free and bringing the right man to accountability Sure it will tear certain families apart but thats the thing about being accountable for your actions, fuck up less or in less intense way…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:29 PM

Especially with the knowledge we have now and alot of the warnings women hate and scoff at to do thier own thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:21 PM

You may be and a small% of women would be open to that, most do care and him suggesting that would change things irrepairably
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:19 PM

Blame society. Sorry but in a seperate timeline wherre he is ok with sharinf something like that, you both likely wouldn't be together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:06 PM

Women only confront us about it to further thier own comfortability to do whatever they feel like and lessen the want to be with one dude. Also this can pop up after a long time of dating and suddenly wreck havoc on your relationship especially if the woman got alpha widowed which is not uncommon
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:01 PM

That's the sentiment most of them share and why they are so combative to not objectively consider how thier worth is lowered to a man if she doesnt view him in the top % of at least who she has been with in most aspects, especially when you imply you're getting a reduced version of her as this whole thread also talks about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:54 PM

Men are also told that if they're lacking or not the greatest in bed they're shit and thier woman will be left wantinf Along side the natural competition that is the natural progression in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:47 PM

We are not only talking about painful things, it is also extremely topical that a woman might wait longer to have sex with a man in the dating stages she supposedly likes more or have less frequent sex with her current partner than previously. Its all measured on levels of relative intensity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:46 PM
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Sentiments not lost on me, I am blackpilled for the most part. I think if after hitting the gym and peaking out physically, getting your fashion and fragrance together if you can't attract a woman its basically over
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:36 PM

Women cannot fathom budging on this because in thier mind when this pops up most men are lucky to be with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:32 PM

I can't tell if they're saying it in terms of the guy getting pegged or asking his woman to open the backdoor. But yes, having any man conquer your woman or entice her enough to legitmately stray even mentally is emasculating. In what world is it not. Perhaps I'm jaded but I read her reply as if she was just trying to call us insecure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:30 PM

Sometimes that guy doesnt even get intercourse in that scenario. Its not just the ex, but if she ever shared her gripes about her ex or talked about thier situation, it can also be guys similar to him
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:25 PM

I guess. But that guy may only know her body count, not how each one went down. What is more likely is that he is determined to not end up the guy she did make rules for or can't help but feel pride or shame depending on how women treat him as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:21 PM

Its because you're chad lite. You don't have to cling to every woman you get with so you don't idealize them. Also the fact that you're blackpill means you viewed dating and getting laid as more of a goal, due to being chad lite a a goal with lots of positive reinforcement. Most men even red pillers and black pillers view women or at least women they spend long enough with as thier one chance
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:17 PM

Eh some men also think back to the differences between the sexual details especially if the man in question was more than just an ex fling. An example is your woman making sacrifices in the bedroom to satiate him or that he brought out of her but not you, regaurdless of how gentle or nuanced you try to vroach the subject. Irregardless of what people say that hints heavily at a more intense factor between the two in question than you and your girlfriend/wives dynamic if it is a thing. Irregardles…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:03 PM
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What does it depend on within that person? Many people who have certain traits gain friends far more easily than those with the opposite and I am talking about traits not linked nessecarily linked in how you interact with people. Looks, having a girlfriend, inclinations towards certain hobbies. I would also argue what is more realistic for that person. Exceptions are rare and people sweep under the rug the thousands that failed before 1 succeeded. Like if that man has never had a girlfriend, a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:12 PM
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Acting as if trying is the best option despite that is literal insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:03 PM
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Yes they can because they wanted a taste of the lifestyle and many still front as though they have that lifestyle. Why, because it is seen as a step above not having access to casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:13 PM
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India and Asia are not the entire world and that is far removed from americas focus on western racism ecen places like europe and australlia. People who claim to be fighting and against hesitate to bring that up because it portrays as being racist towards those countries. It is the same issue why feminists insist on focusing on western culture instead of alot of the strict cultures that hold women to a non-progressive standard
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:02 PM
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It means there are nowhere near as many limitations or as intense limitations due to skin color as people make out to be using systemic racism and it is not a white based happening. I have also witnessed more diversity hires and programs based upon minority for colleges jobs than not, even prior to 2016 Anything pro x race is more times than not more racist than anything else. Racial profiling exists, I literally have been in terms of most violent "racism" I have been called the literal hard r b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:32 PM
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If someone loved me like they do attractive men then they would make it be known but that isn't possible because I am not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:46 PM
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Because people will easily be able to tell and it will serve only as a deterent. Most people who get facial plastic surgery get dates because of thier money, not due to how they look. Also having to change yourself to get desire is extremely pathetic and telling to others. Big point of dating is if you have to try you are failing.. thats whyguys who hit the gym obsessively still fail with attracting women even if they have game etc. Whilst pretty men won't
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:33 PM
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I have made many nessecary changes, you can only do but so much to change your face without surgery. I have leveled up financially, physically beyond just my body and personality wise, there was never much issue there but I still turned everything upside down. I've been lean, I have been and currently am an ugly muscular ogre. The issue isn't that she has, its that she likely approched HIM while I had to jump through hoops, its that she will lust for him more, treat him better than me and still …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:29 PM
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I am aware however many preach its an issue in america. No one wants to talk about how unwelcoming and xemophobic other countries are like many asian countries for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:23 PM
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I am so confused by what you mean. I can add more once I know what you mean. I presented you with actual truths instead of your attempted list to quantify my emotional state/thoughts you haven't refuted any of them? The evidence is me and many mens, even average mens failure to attract a woman as genuinely as chad can despite us putting in effort having transformations physically and mentally. I haven't always been openly social but I have always moved between friend groups and social circles th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:21 PM
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You are under the implication that these men are just fiending for women 24/7 lamenting that they will never be with one, usually that is not the case until a visual reminder comes along to have them vent that. It is also not that easy to simply not want something. Even in the pursuit of letting go that can take years of therapy, or selfwork all of which centered and motivated by the loss of women at the end of the day. This also does not mean these men are not going to be vocal about thier dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:10 PM
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Redpill= women are attracted to money, status, looks to an extent and leadership and how you carry yourself and your best startegy is to build all of those up but it completely ignores or sweeps under the rug the genetic limit men have and doesn't emphasize the type of women you will attract by doing so, equating women wanting to be with you in essence to love and her actual desire, this falls apart due to the more recent example. Bezo's wife eying and having chemistry with leonardo dicaprio Blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:06 PM
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It is closer than baseless isealism
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:45 PM
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Possibly or just give up on women as a whole. Even the woman you get has a chad she lusted for in the past and will lust for while she is with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:44 PM
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Because it is rooted in truth and spares you further suffering/embarrassment and wasted time fighting the inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:42 PM
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You implying they aren't bettering themselves implies they'd have a woman or more success with women if theye did, that is not true, effort is not a 1 to 1 ROI because life isnt fair. If you truly thought it was luck you wouldn't have that opinion universally or imply the lack of trying is the reason these men are unssuccessful
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:39 PM
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There are your limited world view and societies absolution ofthese women just sweeps them under the rug and you don't hear about them as often. Women being incelibate happens far less due to more women are wanted by more men Thats why we have literal seperate jails, the term femcels and and women who advocate for male castration so little boys don't get the chance to rape or responded with a mug of "male tears" when people talk to them about the male suicide rate. Yes this happens even beyond th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:36 PM
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I have several attempts, its hard to overwrite the fear of pain and death. Isolation further self imposed is just as good. I usually tote the line of being just inbolved enough in peoples lives and my own career to coast not being bothered by them and my own hobbies unless they randomly deem me funny looking enoigh to make fun of
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:30 PM
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Friendships like that are rare even for women, thats why most women are concerned with if another woman is being fake or not or will betray her. Close friends are limited in this world just due to time and people being busy with thier own shit not to mention how hard it is post college for people to meet people let alone amazing quality people it would take to form that friendship. A spouse or eloped girlfriend is more enabled to support you more often than even those close friends Again you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:21 PM
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1) that isn't true, you live in constant disappointment and numbness depression is not inherently positive nihilism 2) yes and many people view that or your inability to get so as psthetic even those you may have had a chance with to get a form of said love 3) no depression is borderline insanity, where you try and fail constantly. Its like you saying someone should be happy being a hampster on a wheel forever. 4) most people seek a well rounded life, you cannot be well rounded if you have been …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 01:14 PM
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How is it a want to return to subjugation and ownership of minorities? If feminists aren't satisfied in 2024 with women out earning men, out educating them, and hook up culture for women being as big and liberal as its ever been. Where even outside of western cultures theres positive shifts beginning in cultures that would be viewed by the west as harmful and oppressive to women such as spousal freedom, driving, schooling and a handful of others. Then nothing will satisfy feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:33 AM
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Its possible to physically give up and stop pursuing things but wishing things were differnt every now and again as you face reminders, people start asking why you're single you see couples online and out and about, your favorite youtuber to watch just got a girlfriend, a number of stories you read introduce romance or love into themselves, your friends lives start progressing more towards thier relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:04 AM
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Do it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:00 AM
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This logic case applies to anything that happens to someone largely outside of thier control. Mind you alot of times people drop this when the person hasn't accepted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:00 AM
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You are and most people mean it that way, no one sits there and consoles men who give up, usually its a good riddance, someone trying to convince you and others to not give up, sometype of insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:57 AM
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Because other gay men fuflfil the closeness and intimacy that those men would feel with women if they were straight. Your arguement is garbage for that, those men are holding eachother, kissing, having sex sharing extremely intimate feelings. Something straight men won't get unless they have a woman. Unless this is a "go gay" campaign I don't get your arguement
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:55 AM
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It is closely linked to it actually, it is just another type of loneliness that can mimic isolation especially depending on the length at which it happens and the age that you first become aware of it. Who is strawmanning who?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:52 AM
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They are. More women complain about dating than there are incels in the entire world, let alone violent incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:50 AM
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There are more rapists that have previously had sex than there are incels in the world atm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:49 AM

He's not threatening you, he's mocking you. You interpret it that way because you have a incelphobia lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:45 AM
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Yet you put the blame directly on men thus proving op's point lol if women complain its a mans fault, if men complain its a mans fault
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:42 AM
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I am black I can confirm society is stepping aside for us, also ironically many incels are people of color
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:40 AM
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Even beyond sex itcould be a lack of intimacy which can be just as dangerous as isolation for humans if it goes on long enough and no friends cannot give you intimacy or replace romantic relationships for males.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:29 AM
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Not universal but there is a majority rule on attractive traits, many male models have extremely similar features. Thats why people can identify certain male celebs as more attractive than others its the same in average everyday life. Most women don't lust after men with weak chins Most women don't lust after men with competitive body builder type muscles Most women don't lust after men with a chubby or round face (something not always changeable by weightloss. Most women don't lust over chubby/…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:20 AM
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People don't change that much, the thing they may use to get it might but that want for excitement and attraction will always remain and clearly I am not it if she didnt pick me back then. Who am I to hold back someone from what they truly want and need. People are allowed to make mistakes but when that mistake results in a child or is more frequent that is inexcusable because there are plenty of warning signs, be it learning from other people, or people telling you who you're going to attract b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:11 AM
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Its insulting to us while she gets to have her cake an eat it too. People don't change that much, the thing they may use to get it might but that want for excitement and attraction will always remain and clearly I am not it if she didnt pick me back then. Who am I to hold back someone from what they truly want and need. People are allowed to make mistakes but when that mistake results in a child or is more frequent that is inexcusable because there are plenty of warning signs, be it learning fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:06 AM
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Firstly that doesnt mean your friends boyfriends are attractive even to them. You are likely the type of person to not destroy your friends trust/friendship, can you guarantee if you had no prior encounter, you wouldnt be willing to date them
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:49 PM
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Not by todays standards 6ft nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:46 PM
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I don't mean physically, I mean verbally. I've only had 2 in highschool, usually its some short scrappy dude trying to prove himself by challenging the widest or tallest dude
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:07 PM
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They're synonymous attraction easily leads to desire and vice versa
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:05 PM
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See?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:32 PM
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Eh attractive is the only thing that matters and is more objective than people care to admit. Congrats you're not ugly suddenly theres hope?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:31 PM
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Sure that way prince charming can come save them from me Its made even worse that I'm a gentle giant after fighting
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:18 PM
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I am a built muscular ogre Most women just care abouta handsome face and some lean muscle definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 09:12 PM
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Thats usually why most relationships fail and end with emotional or physical cheating. I have never seen a woman praising her mans body unless he is jacked or shredded, even dad bods are usually guys who have decent genetics and go to the gym. Also what you said is plain wrong due to friendships and how many people form more intense emotional connections AFTER attraction is already there. From the club scene to crushes on friends vs other friends. Visual stimulation adds to the mindset. Many wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 08:44 PM
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What are rules 1 and 2? The rules of this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 12:47 PM
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Don't work on your health it is a waste of time. It only exists to lengthen your suffering, a literal lifetime of watching something you can't attain pass you by and having it randomly shoved in your face by friends or parents who will ask why you're still single or just observing other people. Most people who are in relationships or had relationships have not practiced what this man preached. The only reason they feel comfortable alone is because they have experience and proof that someone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:47 AM
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So what you're saying is I'm right? You made no mention of not being willing to sleep with him earlier than the man of 5 months but given the immediate swoop in one can argue that easily. If it only took you a day as soon as he got available in comparrsion to the other men, then you were attracted to him more. Its ok to be unaware of how attracted you are to someone, its not a malious thing but thats just how nature works
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:40 AM
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Im arguing women don't as well or as much as they should unless you want to argue men are mastermind manipulators able lul an astounding amount of women into a false sense of security. No truth is this is the danger of following desire for both men and women. You become vulnerable but you only hold one sex accountable for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:35 AM
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If you're not getting at least the same results for your effort, she likes her past guy better. Level of arousal is an extremely clear indicator of how attractive you are at the very least in your partners eyes in comparrison to her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:31 AM
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She'd give you more if you were chad. Many men fall into that trap and get no reciprocation. You sound blue pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:30 AM
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Preaching to the chior
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:28 AM
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With men its more documented and most men don't try to cover it up or lie about it. Also yes due to the nature of men we do have raw desire for many women but we feel that way about more women than women do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:24 AM
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So you both waited years before having sex? Also I'm not just talking about the picture but a hypothetical person you would meet in the world having that picture. Sure I can believe you and your boyfriend but as you said you're different from me, I believe this is how most women work at the very least up until a certain age beyond 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:22 AM
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Doesn't have to be prostitutes, again they literally rob him. Nice cop out though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 10:20 AM
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Doesn't mean that danger doesn't start with a woman. A handful of lesbian women or women involced with men from gangs willsleep with a man then rob him either forcefully or while he sleeps, the women will unlock the mans door and keep an eye on him while the other members steal whatever they can get thier hands on and bail.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:58 PM
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In my opinion genuine arousal just happens there is rarely a build up to it. I would argue many women even married women get begrudgingly aroused when they see a truly attractive man for some even outside of her prefered type. They may not instantaneously dump thier husbands but there is a hypothetical would if they could fuck, and instant chemistry because the woman is more pulled in. Many women try to fight this as they try to actualize thier ideal of love "usually loyalty" actively convincing…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:55 PM
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More people are willing to share thier actual thoughts online than not. Sure people are also likely to spout random hateful/hurtful nonsense or stuff for interactions to go viral but you can usually tell how disingenuous someone is. Not to mention the comment section of these videos rallying together under sisterhood/agreement. That compiles ontop of large anecdotal evidence from society, strangers friends and family overlapping with such. This goes into certain mindsets people take in dating. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:47 PM
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Its not even by the manosphere society does it too. Society has a heavy focus on romance and men lack closeness and intimacy outside of romantic relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:35 PM
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Its chill let them all die alone on the hill they make for themselves this goes for men too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:32 PM
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Yet women clearly don't, even in non fatal interactions. You can't argue statistics then virtue signal victim blaming when your arguement of vetting incorrectly falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:25 PM
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If we were we'd be more successful with women too so I for one see this as a complete win.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:22 PM
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To add. Men commit suicide more often too and that is not completely irrelevant to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:21 PM
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I don't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:19 PM
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Average men are not as loved as they think they are even by the women they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 09:17 PM
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A pump is where your muscles swell up more from bloodflow after working them out. Many people will look amazing with a pump but not too shredded or jacked without one. So alot of influencers, will grt a pump before any photos they take to motivate people, sell themselves and more importantly product.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:18 PM
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I'm not saying you do it to spite men I'm saying they say it to spite men. As usually many that share that idea say MOST women would be fine without men forever
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:14 PM
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I am already aware. I was being facetious. Self improvement is over played and over prescribed because what deems you low tier is largely genetic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:38 PM
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He does not have an ATTRACTIVE face to women, that is reserved for a smaller portion of the population. Average men are not desired they are settled for majorily.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:45 PM
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Whats unfair about it is women complaining at all when they only fuck and really deal with a subset of men ignoring arguably 80% of the population. If you only find 20% of men attractive other men changing how they date aren't going to solve her dating gripes so we shouldn't listen at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:43 PM
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If you believe self improvement can get you women you think life is fair. Practice what you preach
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:40 PM
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Pointless arguement, most men do not say or believe that, those that do likely believe it via listening to what women want out of dating, due to women thinking all men have an easier time dating than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:39 PM
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Are men ever the victim in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:37 PM
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You live in a just world fallacy. A man can do all of what you listed and still have an objectively ugly face actually attracting no women outside of those who want beta buxxers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:29 PM
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He is desired by many women and has a slough of options, at the very least 95% of that small subsect of men aren't sleeping with 1 woman all his life espevially if he knows he is desired and likely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:26 PM
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I am praying women turn most men into incels it would be hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:23 PM
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Eventually MAYBE while chad and women live it up creating memories and using eachother. She only gets with you so she can fantasize about chad from a safe financial status. I would rather die than have any woman interested in my money or know what I make.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:20 PM
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By saying nothing and just letting her be all over him with his looks? From the jump he didnt have to do anything, these women are just swooning over him soon as he enters the room
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:12 PM
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You put all of the power in the mans hand and none in the womans which is a skewed bias view, my view only exists due to yours being. The more popular mindset ignoring any of the womans responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:18 AM
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No its because most people sweep under the rug the shallower parts of dating. I'm not even damning having shallow parts, they will always exist but people like pretending they don't. Being able to articulate how they feel about someone/some happening and expressing the passion in thier hobbies, able to be funny to people from varying types of humor without self depreciation, being there for people and being capable to comfort someone or be there for good or bad times and general dependability, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:41 AM
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Men have been doing that in recent years as they learn. Everything you said applies to women too. Im saying from the outside looking in for who's responsibility it is for a child to accidentally be concieved. Spoilers its both parties, people rarely ever consider the womans responsibility in who or what enters her body, or the demands made in the heat of the moment or what choices led up to this happening from her end despite there being so many options for prevention. Seriously in the minds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:29 AM
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The only issue is that society, parents and even women themselves largely push personality and to an extent fib about what majorily matters in dating women and feed young men from a young age that personality matters more than looks and other feel good nonsense. Some guy who thinks women care less about looks more about personality works on and gains a great personality yet ending up for lack of a better term "friendzoned" or rejected by, or not pursued by every woman he encounters yet seeing gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:20 AM
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Men are already blasted and well documemted as horny dogs by society, the red pill heavily advocates for men to practice safe but frequent sex and honestly sometimes to just not date women. It is not socially acceptable to question if a woman took any precaution to prevent pregnancy or at least vet the guy she started seeing to see if his values align with taking responsibility. Women are encouraged to follow thier feelings and live up life through fucking who they want consequences be damned to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 12:09 AM
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They do its just a higher threshhold of attractiveness for it to happen. I have seen it all throughout my life from women of varying ages, from teasing girl friends from how star struck they are with certain guys or when they enter the room to women openly and vulgarly saying how hard they'd jump a guys bones. I've watched old women swoon over a man openly to his face. I've seen women my age and younger take heavy interest and compliment attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:46 PM
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Some but not much. Women know when a man is attractive to other women. Chad has the ultimate preselection. He has the effect where men in relationships suddenly get hit on alot more, they assume he gets women. Its only a turn off if he outs himself as too much of a player, thats why blue pilled advice works best for attractive men. He just has to not destroy that facade she has in her head. If he shows a lack of confidence the women are more likely to act surprised and try to cheer him up than i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:40 PM
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Can follow, but it is more assured. Im afraid I cant help but believe you rate your friend lower than women do, there was likely attraction already there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:33 PM
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That would only serve to do the opposite of what you intend and again they already do. But men they find extremely attractive are rare. You should advocate for MEN to care about thier own looks earlier and more intensely Women wear weight better than men and it usually serves to at least slightly accentuate what we find attractive sometimes even in terms of the face. An overweight mans features women ogle the most are lessened by him being overweight. Chest, forearms, shoulders possibly and even…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:31 PM
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Fuck em. I have bad news for you. Most women are not you, they may share your sentiments but not your practice or switch up depending on how much they desire x man at x time. So good on you. I'm saying many women give in and break thier own rules for men they like even without the man prompting her to do so. Some don't even have rules because they want the man that they want. This only gets more intense the younger you go starting at 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:20 PM
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As opposed to all the men the cat ladies didnt even have on thier radar for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:16 PM
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Sometimes its the type of potato the resturants are choosing that impact how the french fries taste. Perhaps to get that you just have to cook it yourself with the correct type of potato despite the french fries you previously tried and hated, looking more appetizing. In my experience most women who say it, say it just to spite men that point out shitty dating behaviors by men are being rewarded or advocating for men to continue doing these things to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:14 PM
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Thugs living on the couches of women they're boning would like to heavily dispute your claims lol. You don't even have to officially be with women. I fully agree with you on them not caring about personality or moral character but money isn't it either. Nothing is happening if you don't look good and you won't get genuine interest and desire if you aren't above average in looks. There is always some dude in her past who makes less than you who fucked her for free and is still her "friend" gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:07 PM
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People only perscribe personality as if it will solve every issue and do heavily place it above attraction/physical attractiveness. You cannot out personality attraction when it comes down to a womans options. It is better to have the attraction than the personality. If you build attraction or simply are attractive many women will look past or fill in certain gaps in your personality if you leave it decently blank and just do the bare minimum of filling out personality by not being a complete go…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:00 PM
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I agree. However they take that stance because you cannot beat nature and curiousity, to try and do so would be controlling, which will dry women up or maddening and damaging to your mental health. A woman wants baggage or a least a long romantic history to feel important and have proof of desire in her mind for the men she truly wants. Even if its not as measured and calculated most women will aquire baggage just due to sheer curiousity and being hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:52 PM
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In recent times they do and you are likely ignorant to how. Most men like to measure that women don't care about looks by the fact they can get them to sleep with them or date them for a time and not the quality of that sex, pursuit and relationship. It is more measured by how invested she actually is in helping you in loving ways. If you've ever seen a woman react to an attractive man you know what I am talking about and less men than redpillers like to admit can ever reach that level of looks.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:48 PM
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You also deflected ignoring that it is only a small portion of women globally that die in actuality due to pregnancy and child birth alongside the uptick in full term single mothers despite abortion being an option or 40+ years I have seen no boom or celebration about mens mental health in comparrison to womens mental health month despite our success rate and frequency of suicide being 3x the amount. People do not give a fuck about men. I only give a fuck about women forefully and wrongfully imp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:36 PM
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I admit it theoretically SHOULD yet over 40 years has done the literal opposite. It could also be decreased more realistically by not picking men based on appearance or slightly more boring men. Or having the men you actually like not be scum bags. You can't change guys who don't want to change and are incentivized to not change by the amount of women they get. Clearly stuff like confidence is not that key or an indicator that a guy is going to stay with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:31 PM
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The women that say women are fine and happy without sex, for that to be true they'd have to be fine with being celibate or not having sex forever. I can already tell you're going to come at me with some angle of the women would just turn gay or use toys for sexual satisfaction but there is no denying many women will still miss miss sex with a man. The alternative in this case would be having men around and either occassionaly or frequently having sex with them due to differing sex drives, the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:24 PM
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None. How many people know sex can result in a child? How many women choose men that are scum bags that will stealth them? Only 13% a low number, how many women require a condom or warning from the man they're sleeping with?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:12 PM
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Ok and what about a condom with those same men. I am aware its not a 100% chance to prevent but what is more important? The apparent fear of dying in child birth or pregnancy or the trauma that can be caused by abortion or getting a guy you like off?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:09 PM
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I'm talking about many other social issues. Suicide being one of them. As I established men get punished for not wanting a child as well. You can act all you want that women have no say in if she gets pregnant or not most men are not rapists or maliscious stealth inseminators Most people do not care if men suffer or die, if you propse equality the same has to be true for women in some aspects
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:05 PM
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Omg. No I'm saying it should have decreased because it was possible but did the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:55 PM
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Expressing and venting your emotions is addicting and no one talks about it. Alot of the time too much venting can ruin your life because you build the habit of NEEDING to release instead of sitting,tempering and managing them. Therapy and even prescribed psychiatry can be healthy, can boost social confidence to express yourself but most people normalize it as a way of self importance. I'm not dismissing micro-traumas we go through as children (forget the actual term for it) but it gives MOST pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:54 PM
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You keep doubling back as if the womanhas zero warning. Groaning, moaning, his face, twitching, gripping, the pace. Not to get too vulgar but a smooth way of keeping track of that is to tell him to "tell you when he's going to pop" (whatever word you want to use) for you .This is making you sound sexually ignorant. Not an insult just an observation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:45 PM
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Nah I'm going in. Since Roe v Wade was established in 1973. Single motherhood hasn't decreased but increased. The more outs you give someone the more freely they will act and frequent those escape paths. I would be on your side if single mother pregnancies didnt increase over the past 40 years. Unless you want to argue men are just in a sexual assault and rape frenzy. Desperate to have the government come after them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:38 PM
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People feel the same way about men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:23 PM
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I wear a condom and also pull out, at least outside of my ex of 5 years. Theres alot of other places he can finsih that you could be into Its YOUR womb that has to suffer for 8 months, take some responsibility. Because theres a whole lot of men you guaranteed overlooked that wouldnt stealth you. Men who end up with a biological child are held accountable and are wrung dry (pun intended) and forced to participate in that childs life via child support hence why mandatory testing should have alread…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:16 PM
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That is still a small perecentage of women and also children worldwide. It is tragic and awful but yes I stand by what I said, you are blowing things extremely out of proportion to justify something people WILL NOT use as a nessecity and only grow more reckless
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:05 PM
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Again literally just look at it before it goes inside you and How are you trying to absolve women of not having awareness of what goes into thier body. Telling bad men to be better isnt gonna do fuck all. The only thing that would is if you stop sleeping with them. Mind you Stealthing happens less than 13% of the time. A majority of men ARE NOT stealthing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:52 PM
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Thats a risk with every single pregnancy and not commonly that intense of an issue even with the rise of women on medication for mental health alone which is huge, to call for an abortion. You are heavily overplaying the risks especially given the amount of single mothers who successfully have a full term pregnancy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 08:39 PM
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The black pill is for men overlooked by women the red pill is for men who can't keep women. This is not a knock this is just an observation. I am already well aware especially of the black pill because it is the closest to the truth. I will again argue quality is usually just looks and assumptions/scapegoats made to cover up the shallowness of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:28 PM
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Not really, the social care system is already overflowing with foster kids etc another of the few. Mind you most abortions are needless reckless behavior not the product of assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:25 PM
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I'm not particularly unsuccessful with women but genuine desire from one is not in the cards for me and a large number of average to below average looking men. Genuine desire being she takes a deep interest in me (You're going to suggest I'm not that interesting of a person) It means she envisions an actual future with me and will work with me to make it happen instead of just passively letting me create that. A woman getting jealous is true desire. I would have to try extremely hard to become u…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:23 PM
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What medical complication makes you suddenly exponentially more likely to get pregnant? Also yes if those children are stupid enough to partake in an activity to make a child with no knowledge then fuck em
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:09 PM
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Look at his fucking dick. That is literally all you have to do. You control heavily where a man ejaculates wtf are you on about, just have him bust on your stomach. So you suddenly don't have autonamy of what goes into your body? You're just a passenger until a man is done either making you feel good or finishing himself? Wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:03 PM
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What does quality mean. You can't hide behind that if quality is just looks. If thats the case women are just as entitled as any "nice guy" we all hate To argue against that is to say women only fuck virtious moral men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:16 PM
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Im not talking about the child I'm talking abortion itself , to keep doctors specialized in it paid, to keep clinics open, resources the clinics need and documentation especially keeping that open TO ALL WOMEN or to all women that have had sex or sex without both partiest using BC A born child is just taking a small piece of the pie everyone is already eating from
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:14 PM
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I'm glad she found someone to fill her mental health scar. I understand desire can be built. Usually however that has to do with the image of a man she lusts after that she built in her head. The men that are attractive fill that easier than men who aren't . But by all means tell me how attraction works and I will tell you why certain men will never fulfill that due to how they were born no matter how they work on themselves physically or mentally
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:05 PM
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The answer is because abortion was legal, so they didnt have to. Mens overzealous sex drive is already well documented bjt you can only deflect to men but so many times when it takes 2 to tango as they said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:59 PM
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All you have to say is "He was born that way" or "They were married before or long after he lost them" You don't want to answer because you either don't know or it doesnt support your arguement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:56 PM
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Supports reckless sex and even less self control than we already do. Another factor affecting the economy that doesnt have to. Not just in the way of tax payers but it also means less benefits for those in need
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:51 PM
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Its not opting it is forcably taken away, at least some men do want the child and will support it, many women just like the guy that won't
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:40 PM
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I fully agree. Its just too swept under the rug that many women literally verbally ask to have it happen mid act lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:39 PM

As they should be, its a huge turn off for women of all ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:35 PM
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Not just that but if you're extremely picky and end up getting burned that's on you and should earn you no sympathy. Theres also different levels of picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:19 PM
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Then don't get nutted in. Require a condom and pull out from whom you're seeing. Most people aren't going to argue SA victims shouldn't have the option to abort, that's fine but too often on this topic do we pretend women don't have a desire for primal sex. You have autonomy up until it comes to sleeping with a guy you're attracted to? Men are shit but like 40% of women stay pregnant and single? Who is picking these shit men? If no one then how the fuck is this happening, how do we get to the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:14 PM
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This is what I have been preaching as another reason why love isn't for everyone, good partners especially ones that desire you and aren't taken are scarce especially for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:07 PM
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Most men don't romanticize single moms. Most mens goals and fulfillment is to be needed, we are needed in many aspects, our own lives, maybe our families, our jobs but being needed romantically by a woman is extremely comforting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:03 PM
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Abortion is not an automatic opt out for a man because he has no say in if she gets the abortion or not, there is no opting out of something you have no control over. Its like quitting as you're being fired. In a perfect world there would be no abortions outside of SA cases and people wouldn't just become sex addicts who don't want people to pull out or refuse to pull out themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:01 PM
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Pickyness is fine, the issue is when what you actually do and choose goes completely against what you actually want or put forward, like women trying to turb a promiscious man into a loyal relationship partner. Or saying they totally didnt choose thier above average or handsome boyfriend for his looks and had an innate connection. Like if you are picky and still end up choosing wrong or getting burned thats on you and the men you didnt pick/weren't on your radar. If you're picky you better peris…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 12:56 PM
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Eh the opposite is also true lady. Narrcisistic younger women also pursue older men believing they are deserving of those resources and lifestyle. More often than older men pursue women for that reason. 50% of the men that pursue younger women pursue because its as simple as they're prettier than current older women and that it is a 2 way street. Those younger women want the lifestyle older men provide abd may be curious about the dynamic. You are lilely going to double down and act like I said …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:22 AM
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Sure but men find women attractive women way more highly and frequently across the board than women find men. Most men even ugly men do not have delusional standards for who they'd be willing to date and get with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:04 AM
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It is still better to be physically attractive to women than respected by them as you can always start a new social circle and gain respect. My tip to you is paint yourself as moving up with heafrt warming limitations like taking care of your family you'll likely fair better. If your standard for attracting women is if she's willing to hook up with you after you approached, then you haven't attracted women. The way thier attraction comes out is they need to start conversations with you, at least…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:55 AM
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So he met someone and courted someone over a long period with no arms or legs? Or was he married before he lost them? Mind you you only point out and remember the exception because its rare and improbable. Getting laid isnt the issue, its getting genuine desire from a woman. If you have to put in serious effort you have already lost. Especially compared to the guy women start flirty conversations with knowing nothing about him except that he is physically attractive. Most women have a guy like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:44 AM
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Not only in having a baby but having a baby can mimic the experience of being replaced as one of the top most important people in that persons life. -They replace men quickly when widowed. -When dissatisfied for any reason -When they have better mate options and believe he is holding her back -when having a child that child is more imortant not equally important (some women would scoff that a man places a child above her, this happens often when single fathers are dating even though they rarely …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:36 AM
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Women are way more insecure than they ever care to admit, you can see it if you look deep enough. That is one reason they crave confidence and self assuredness in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:29 AM
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A blue piller actually calling out a fallacy that a woman presented. That is unexpected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:28 AM
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Both can be true, you do it to be healthy and have a healthy amount of people think you're good looking/attractive or to increase your odds. I lift weights and workout with the intention of getting a woman attracted to me and for me to be great at motions of sex, as well as to make physical labor easier on myself. I have never told a woman my reason but when I tell them of my hobby of going to the gym in a conversation and I show them before and after photos of me they usually say they respect t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:27 AM
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You can get laid sure but genuine attraction or being at the top of her list of men she's most attracted to and acts different for isn't happening if you have to use game or PUA tactics. Quantity does not replace quality
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:10 AM
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Other guys don't have to do EVERYTHING right, I've seen physically attractive men say little to nothing or become shy and not beaming with confidence and the woman still have the hots for him
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:06 AM
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Yes I agree, that goes into what I said about knowing women do not want me. Beyond not being attractive, rich or of high status or any of the common tropes of attractive man, I don't posses a huge want to manipulate peopld or be a scumbag outside of attempting to get pretty as possible so I can potentially reject them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:33 AM
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Many women can only comprehend a true freak or someone morally and socially detestible failing at dating. They cannot for a second think that an average person could not have encountered a woman interested in him or that personality doesn't matter as much as she thinks because life isnt fair. People pick and choose when to use sayings a little too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:08 AM
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Its just the essence of being a man. We are born to literally be replaced women are born to adapt and replace us and encouraged by at least western society to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 02:03 AM
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For me it led to acceptance that genuine desire and love are notbin the cards for me. It has also lead to menever trusting women in less of a "you're out to get me way" more of a "I will never believe you want me over a hypothetical or real stranger no matter what you do" theres benefits to this outside of protecting myself, like never embarrassingly thinking a woman likes me because she is kind/nice to me. But when topics/dating advice like this comes up my anger is more pointedly at the person…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:52 AM
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I'll repeat the important part of the comment "they seem unwilling to find out" To answer the question, it is always slow unless she's already talking nasty to me. Teasing is an extremely underused basic way to get a woman for vocal and forthcoming
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:41 AM
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Ok and they should/would be fine with that forever? Usually the arguements it brought up in imply most women would be fine with essentially being celibate until they pass on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 01:32 AM
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Well I'm an extreme advocate for the thought of "women are just as shallow/horny/physical attraction motivated as men if not slightly more, due to;even from middle school to now, through a nice college and owning my own business talk openly about thier atrraction and repulsion of certain men physically. I've heard extremely vulgar things whispered and spoken aloud about attractive men while they're still in the room or not a single meinute after they left as if the woman had to just vent off her…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:00 PM
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Another example is how many fitness influencers manipulate lighting and a pump for basic photos. Personally in dating I believe manipulating photos too much will always lead to temporary success if not outright failure, and is a dangerous slope of body image issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:29 PM

I think you should teach him about the things within looksmaxxing to teach him he can be more thsn what he currently is if he wants to. The main issue is socoeity, dating advice etc does not tell young people there is a limit to looksmaxing, you can't just pop out as prince charming or a celebrity. I would teach him skincare options. How to size up a haircut, fashion, shrinking clothes for a better fit, teach him fragrances, body scrubs how to shower properly (in my opinion). I would teach him f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:23 PM

I would teach him everything I know about money as early as possible for the sake of living comfortably and that translates lightky to math skills. I would only focus on looks so that he has the options to get what he wants. I would do that in terms of activity as passively as possible, making weight lfiting enjoyable and let him see his father doing it as well as at least give him an outlet like sportd, learning martial arts or us just rough housing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:00 PM

I don't think they should force or strive for look maxing. Encourage him to find what hairstyle fits him the most, teach him about fragrance keep him active as a kid and social and stop feeding your kids fast food, even if they're overweight or not, most of the time its a waste of money as well. Lastly for the love of god stop feeding these kids feel good passive, "the right girl" advice. A kid learning to take rejection at age 12 is alot better than him having to learn at any age above that and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:57 AM
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I mean thats even the case with most women its just usually slightly less intense. They usually want at least"the bare minimum" then go from there expecting it to feel good/right and when it doesn't they get confused or are gaslit by other women to blame the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 10:04 PM
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You're right don't worry I'll be taking my leave by the end of the month
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:51 PM
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He means women as well. A decent number of women here that say women are happy single and sexless so if 90% of males died off they'd be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:50 PM
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This is cap and overplayed. Sure women care if you have your shit together some but almost 60% of it it is straight physical attraction. Even average dudes who have women are stuck mostly trying to keep a womans interest because the attraction isnt there vs chads who just have it. Beforr the replies I know are coming, self improvement especially physically and facially do have limits
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:48 PM
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Eating is easier than mate selection as people have a larger say in if you guys end up courting eachother or dating than if someone says you eat. Try a different analogy one where something lies more in other peoples hands than your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:33 PM
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You cannot say "the latter" as all of those have different behavior patterns. The arguement falls apart as narrcissism still has a scope within society, thats how they acknowledge themselves or rather DON'T acknowledge themselves as holier than thou or correct, they simply are. Sociopathy is usually a grown trait and any grown trait is still within social conditioning especially given most sociopaths hide it for the comfort of thier own lives, they're more likely to yes and nod you to death than…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:27 PM
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Desperate men harrass women or hit on everything that moves. I dont understand you fight or want for these men to act on desperation when its a turn off to women? Being desperate doesn't always outweigh self esteem, common sense and self awareness. Sometimes you're desperate you try or observe how likely you are to get someone to say yes to you and your qualities physically and mentally and its extremely improbable. Mind you being able to observe that is seperate from desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 08:11 PM
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No sometimes you give up because trying something that is pointless or would only hurt you is insanity. You can tell a woman is going to reject you or accept you for the men who aren't morons based on her past dates, who she is currently hanging out with, how she looks and vaguely on the preferences of other women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:41 PM
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Many women change for the man they're attracted to, this issue is most women are mot attracted to average men and obviously not below average. Men rate women higher than women rate men. This is observable in more than just dating apps.with how often attractivement are approached and also in how women act/open up for an attractive man
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:17 PM
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Society and parents still push thier fathers dating standards in thier face. Until they observe what women ACTUALLY desire and go for that leads to the existence of every pill except the bluepill
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:08 PM
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The most recent bear arguement thread is a great example of this very thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:54 PM
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Same way men get frustrated women don't treat them the same as men they're actually attracted to despite dating that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:50 PM
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How are they pretending to be starving? Also no these men we're rejected meaning they walked into the bakery same as other customers and were refused. They do have a hivemind in what is the bare minimum they want from a man in a relationship and the bare minimum they want from a man in being willing to strat a relationship with him. He has to be attractive which is not as subjective as you likely believe. Has to be confident in himself and have slight ambition. That is why it is called having st…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:49 PM

Yes and 100% of people will not be SA'D my a man. The arguement is that men are inherently potential untrustworthy physical threats with high reaching consequences for thier victims. Women are safe to think that and be procautionary but it does not mean that is correct nor rooted in truth rational. Most men are not SA perputrators to argue that its rational to think that you would need a statistic of 51% of the male population doing so. Again better safe than sorry but it does inherently suggest…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:38 PM

Not morally but statistically yes due to how close the numbers are to argue against you who think most men are violent beasts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:17 PM

Yet people here still claim there is no anti male message in society
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:14 PM

25% though tragic is no where near the majority that means it is still completely irrational it also means most men do not SA or rape. This is backed up by the same arguement that rising male virginity is irrelevant because it is only 28% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:11 PM
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It is a need, however it is not attainable for everyone, it is literal natural selection. I already am free, I will never ask out a woman, imply I like or get involved with her unless she approaches me first the way I see them do to attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:09 PM
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They are essentially banned from entering if the bakery in question refuses to serve them, defeating the point of entering the bakery. (Before you try to go off no I'm not saying women should serve men, I'm feeding this dumb analogy, I also predict your next comment will be "go to another bakery) Women do have a hivemind of standards at the very least if you're not good enough for one you are likely not good enough for most thus you will barred from dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 01:06 PM
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Many women get subservient to men they're attracted to and attractive men have women throwing themselves at thier feet. Unless that stops many men will desire that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:57 PM
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No a man doesn't have options if women aren't attracted to him, it is that simple. Mindset and accomplishments mean nothing when women will provide for a man who looks good and gives her great sex. That bar lowers the more attractive a man is
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:55 PM
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There will always be other men willing to approach, for men to have all the power 99% of men would need to desire to be celibate. That would be a fine argument if we had no desire for intimacy romantic and physical. Men had "power" in reproduction back in more savage times. I am not advocating for that to be the case again, just an observation. Women hold all the power so long as they are able to say no, which should always be the case. Men are forced to adapt to what women choose, if women choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:52 PM
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Romantic isolation is deadly to your mental well being we see this in almost all species
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:44 PM
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This is exactly what that means. Women are not drooling or going out of thier way for fat mean with decent hobbies and personality. Some men will be excluded, not even just on that level but from the nature of societal monogamous relationships you literally have to exclude loads of men. You know you're excluded if you don't meet a threshhold of criteria to be settlable. That criteria rises to be DESIRED by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:42 PM
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Allowed meaning able to feel or have certain thoughts without scrutenization especially ones women have without scrutenization. A woman wanting what she wants or is naturally attracted to is fine however with men you'll find more people than people do with women scoffing and bashing your preferences calling you shallow. Many men also don't turn around and start bashing a choice they actively made.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:37 PM
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Many women take it as mental maturity. I have seen many women want a slightly older man at the very least or in highschool want to "feel more mature" and get a guy that has more resources than most of the guys around her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:33 PM
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Agreed these perameters are stupid, self improvement isnt guaranteed or even probable to get you genuine desire from a woman, especially not in comparrison to men just born right. While you diet and exercise some guy just looks right and has women approaching or making opportunities for him you will never get. But by all means continue self improvement keep trying to convince women to give you a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:30 PM
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No I hate them because many traits get confused for positive traits and lessens humanity in my eyes. Many darktriad people get mistaken for being confident when usually thier actions are more dominated by insecurity. That's why when women call guys who get controlling insecure because when they first got together he appeared confident. People also over-correlate confidence as a good trait or always being positive. You can certainly use synoyms for this but most stupid descisions sprout from conf…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:25 PM
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That depends on your genetics. Even in body building it largely comes down to genetics, not everyones biceps looks the same after beingbtrained be it ib a relaxed or flexed position same thing goes for any muscle group and your face. I've seen absolutely shredded dudes still have a baby face or a chubby face, I've seen fat dudes who lose alot of weight reveal a weak jawline. Like working out does not magically give you a nice jaw for example, if it does you were blessed with it while you were un…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:19 PM
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By blue pilled I mean advice that focuses on personality hobbies, being yourself and passively being hopeful, giving advice that people already tried that got them nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:38 PM
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I observe women both online and offline practically fling themselves at attractive men, swoon over them openly after the man leaves the room/my store, openly be more engaged in conversation with them, sometime flirt first. Some of these women are in relationships, college educated, average to pretty. This has happened from school to numerous jobs I've been at right in front of my face, be it from coworkers or strangers. Unattractive men will never experience that even behind closed doors he does…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:36 PM
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Harmless potentially but no man wants to be harmless. You either get what people shove in your face/the experience most people are having or you get revenge in different levels. Not advocating for revenge but its an observation. That revenge could be becoming a player, mocking people online, pulling back from society and not interacting with it or the dsting scene, to more violent options sometimes but more rarely than people like to think. The most violent people are still participating in soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:34 PM
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This is more indicitive of the blackpill than redpill. Redpill tells mens to stop being mid through effort. Bp is more so an acknowledgement of genetic limits where many times things are doomed from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:28 PM
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The nature of having to c9nsume redpill content or bp content is the greatest indicator you're late to learning the choices and ways most women will think. Not all women are the same but what you will encounter will overlap heavily Most redpilled or bp men have been lied to by thier mothers and society, that women are extremely virtious, care immensely about your personality or can be won over by personality, or you just have to be yourself and the right woman will come along, some form of very …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 09:26 PM
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I am not red pill, and I don't consume the content. I consume blue pilled content to sneer and laugh at how wrong they are, the same with most red pill beliefs. I have also had the exact same opinions since end of middle school, with almost no evidence to prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:59 PM
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Usually not the same women but no they don't change that much there will always be a sliver of what they wanted before.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:56 PM
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She did but so did alot of society. Between what is socially acceptable to say from friend groups and posts online along side comment sections online. Even people who admit it matters down plays it heavily. You are just blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:41 PM
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They may be willing to risk that for an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:38 PM
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Oh and seperately, does subjectivity matter when objective beauty gives you experiences you would struggle to get if you we're subjectively attractive? You saying all that is like saying looks don't matter which you are avoiding saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:37 PM
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I don't however I see more unattractive men who are immoral or moral passed up for attractive men who are immoral, the key and end all be all is attractive which is not subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:36 PM
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It wasnt a priority but it was mandatory. You would not be dating your husband if you weren't attracted to him obviously. Like none of the memories or moments you hold dear would've happened if you weren't attracted to him. You also heavily overestimate how much average women and below average women are attracted to thier male counterparts nor how much differently women treat attractive men in all stages of dating
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:34 PM
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People aren't willing to compromise on standards. Standards that people don't like to admit are there and real. Looks and genetics/genetic determinism get sweeeped under the rug when people talk about dating. I'm not damnijg having looks standards or tryong to appear virtious by not caring but the message that people don't care about looks means there will be less people rising to meet those requirements. Its the same reason apparently women can't avoid shitty men. They reward shitry behavior wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:40 PM
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Look at a majority of dat8ng advice. People believe looks to be the last thing people worry about, it is always swept to the back either being denied, downplayed for how much it matters
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:35 PM
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Not true, women will still look for other ltrz's while hooking up with a playbouly type or a fwb situation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:33 PM
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It is going to look the exact same as it is now. Male virginity stagnating ot rising, women winning as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:25 PM
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It is extremely sustainable as poeple get more heartless, more callous and more looks focused, it just means those that aren't will suffer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:21 PM

See most women do not even have a bare minimum for themselves but want to and also sub-consciously raise the bar for men. They didn't even mention looks despite likely believing most men are obsessed with looks and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:19 PM
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Well duh, men are more realistic, those that don't think this and know this are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 12:11 PM
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Society is in disagreement with op a woman could've done anything and settled for a man she didn't even acknowledge back when she was "being youthful" and men are expected to just accept that. So what you said is a fallacy that only really applies to online in certains spaces people can actually be truthful in. Even then the number of men in the world saying women can't change is no where near even half. The men who do have only acknowledged the issue of women changing. Having her cake and tryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:53 AM
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The men women are attracted to have been Immoral. The men they don't end up sleeping with or deeming good enough to date usually have the wrong idea due to society and advice online that dating/attraction cares at all about morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 11:47 AM
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I'm only arguing needing to do enjoy yourself aesthetically participates and practices those messages of inadequacy and improving in various ways. We are discussing both humility and self assuredness as that is what Make-up and Dolling up respectively discourages and achieves. I agree we are caught between two goals of striving and being content, however we are also cursed with exacerbating our own self worth like a hamster on a wheel. Many women feel they will never be good enough and feel comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 05:49 PM
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I agree it is wholesome and comforting but beneficial is questionable in terms of needing humility and the ability to look at what you're working with objectively so that pendulum doesn't swing to far in negative or positive directions, both become a persons blind spot that wells up the more we indulge in the need to have those benefits. I believe the self work can encompass a lifetime but most people don't take the self reflection and correlation of things they do far enough in my opinion. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 04:27 PM
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Its all based on if they see you as competition. A great example is if a make friend switches up when a girl is around, that guy is even if you don't know it- competing with you This can happen even from attractive men upon unattractive men because what matters is the contrast of being a better option Some social circles like having you around because they feel superior to you, you are a confidence boost for them. To an extent a social circle CAN indeed hinder your dating ability. Its not the ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:54 PM
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You should care somewhat because they CAN lock you up for someone elses actions, the frequency of it, bolsters potential lies, accusations and confusions. Trusting men for judges and police is like sleeping beside a starving tiger. For example my former bosses girlfriend has a history of self harm and other mental health issues and is ashamed of and hates calling the hospital. He calls an ambulance during an "episode", the ambulance has a squad car in tow because theres a POTENTIAL for a DV disu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:50 PM
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The main issue is, from a psychological stand point if you do it to lift your mood or your opinion of yourself, you are only judging yourself on the views society put in you, be that good or bad. From the scope of needing a mood/opinion lifter is due to societies comparrisons and any positive benefit is also due to societies comparrisons. . The reason that matters is because its a behavior that feeds into itself and gets women complacent on an image if themselves that is halfway not them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:40 PM
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This is another reason men are so sex focused. It has alot to do with status as women will talk, you may get lucky ut may be discussed 10 years in the future when yiu're exes to a single friend they have but women talk, it also demonstrates preselection in a way because experience and prowess are extremely important to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:31 PM
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Not gender specific but gender intensive, men find a large amount of women more atrractive than women find men attractive. Meaning it is easier to be below the line for men than it is women as standards are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:27 PM
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Your black and white thinking is a cop out , its not that they dislike you, its that they're not attracted to you most likely physically, meaning you don't register to them romantically. Maybe every single woman you encountered has liked you enough to be friends/aquaintances of you. That thought never even crossed your mind. You live in a just world fallacy and probably need to reflect why someone not getting something immediately means this person is unlikable. That sounds like the mentality of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:23 PM
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If I communicate my needs, suddenly I'll be manipulative, insecure, clingy etc lesser in her mind and that will lead to a break up. I'd rather keep it to myself and build emotional attachment. If she doesn't do what I crave then she's not as attached as I had hoped because it is a very simple thing to want to hang out, do things with and be with your relationship partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 11:51 AM
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Sure however that doesn't stop a vast majority of women under those hypothetical womens sted from lusting after attractive men and treating physically unattractive men differently even if they are with the unattractive/average man in a relationship. Your point about family supports my claims even further, even more incentive to pursue attraction above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 11:47 AM
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I'm less so disgruntled more so adapting to what I observe women actually do in my day to day life ever since I first became interested in women from a romantic standpoint. I am tempted to ask your age or age range, because things are horrible romantically as an ugly dude at 23. The stories online certainly add to my conception of how things are but most of the experiences are from real life experiences, aquaintances and friends and even strangers. Examples include: Women over looking physically…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 11:39 AM
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No it means they are willing to unprompted take a break with thier friends to come be with me at least half the time which is pretty par for the course for a relationship. I will never request this, I will just silently let it be apart of her own wamts and needs, if it doesnt happen I'll just assume she prefers whomever she is hanging with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:03 PM
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It means at least sometimes in our relationship seeing and being with me is a priority Was with a girl that passively joined me eveyday but it seemed like due to lack of things to do. 50% of that relationship was getting her a friend group she could monkey branch to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:22 AM
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Again, I say I already have yiu just respond with "no you haven't" The end of my self improvement and other mens will never look as good as a man just born attractive and raised in enviornments that bolster his sociability, all that hardwork for fuck all and people refuse to acknowledge sometimes thats life. You have replied with every stereotype imaginable "clearly something is wrong with you" "Clearly you didnt work hard enough" "You haven't done any of that otherwise it would show" "Life is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:17 AM
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Theres a level of uncanny that comes with those surgeries outside of hair plugs/transplant alongside stigma of having to do it in the first place. You will be identifyable, viewed as insecure. Also you admit hard work sometimes cannot change your face. You have no idea how long it took those guys that aren't awful people but attractive to land that single woman or what it took to get her to say yes in comparrison to someone just born right, nor how satisfied and content these women are with thie…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:03 AM
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Yes, in any status the better looking guy will always beat out the average looking guy. It may only be for a night but thats all it takes to taint future relationships. She's "settling" for the attractive guy because society, parents and likely other women tell her she needs to go for guys with money, status and virtues sometimes but looks will always draw and intruige her more. Many well educated women almost always 8/10 have a guy they're ashamed they gave into
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:00 AM
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Its due to your strong bond, by letting her be truly single you would be able to better and more accurately see if theres something better out there for her, no one is saying she can't come back especially since it would be you temporarily ending the relationship. Having her do it to sate both your curiousity is putting all the preassure on her because an equal 50/50 maybe she leaves and regrets it, by you doing it it puts a more positive open spin and can only serve to deepen that connection mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:54 AM
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An actual reasonable take, thats crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:14 AM
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You keep saying that as if I haven't. The only reason this post exist its 1) peoples ridiculous self righteousness of infinite self improvement advice, 2) lamenting when my relationship will run its course and I will be single and unwanted again. Your bias unironically shows as you continue to ignore my current and past relationships and social successes through these replies
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:13 AM
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Already aware that's why I told you about it.I want and need something that literally doesn't exist but through all that bullshit and my own self improvement, having people eager to see me hitting me up, own my own business along side a useless psyche degree, dropped 80lbs,I have another ltr and its all still empty because I am late socially, far later than some guy just born right, who experienced those benchmarks bonds and experiences, who I witnessed get those experiences just because he was …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:39 PM
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I have only had 2 ltrs a 5 year one at 16 and a 2year one now at 23 almost 24, sometimes solutions don't work. Most men are concerned with getting a woman get complacent and think that woman actually desires them which I think is pathetic, when this girl inevitably vreaks up with me I'm going to give up on dating and continue "bitching" online so more men understand its an actual option instead of being trapped in fruitless self improvement, you will never be more desired than a guy just born co…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:26 PM
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If you're really that curious whats apparently so wrong with me, my mother has never once encouraged me be it due to her mental illness, her selfish personality or a true lack of believing in me. The only reason I was on the honor roll is due to my late grandmother coaching me ahead academically keeping me 2 grades ahead. I would make friends but those friendships would usually die off due to thier reluctance to let me go over to, have anyone over or do anything with anyone due to paranoia. We a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:17 PM
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I don't hold it against women for upgrading but that doesn't mean I need to happy being the trade off or not take that as an implication of my actual worth despite the improvement I have done. Most people after that happens will just tell me I should just try harder and keep trying. You have crafted your mindset to never need to xompare and contrast and never struggle. It also seems to hold your girlfriends affection and intimacy in low regard and she yours due to your relationship revolving aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 09:03 PM
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At most its genetics, upbringing, evironement and lucks fault people also don't think failure exists or is acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:50 PM
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Already aware. I did not look too young for a 12 year old, I have been 5'11 since 8th grade it was very disappointing to not grow taller for that long. Even then girls in middle school paid more mind to more handsome guys than me, it was never gonna happen even if I was 16 most young girls look outside of thier school because they consider the guys they see every day boring outside of the handsome athletic tall few.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:47 PM
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I don't ever want to be a stereotype of the husband or boyfriend who gets made fun of or is held to having to be greatful i even have a woman in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 08:38 PM
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I'm saying none of this translates to dating women or how to attract women or my popularity amongst women. You are right to an extent, I never really got any recognition from parents and especially not peers and friends for being smart, to brag a bit, I've skipped 2 grades and I have been on the honor roll up until the last 2 years of highschool where I became truant and dropped out to get my GED and move onto college earlier while working unofficially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:33 PM
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Im not saying its a conscious decision. I'm saying its an unforseen consequence of that woman trying to be virtious and pick for non physical reasons. Like perhaps she can build up the romance in her head for a while but then will actually be forced to be visually stimulated by her partner and suddenly its not there. Thats why women will take time to warm up to certain men in the absence of physical touch longer than others. Like when women do like a guy but just can't ever see him romantically …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:28 PM
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Its not about becoming unattractive its that you were never more attractive than the person that comes along. Your life doesnt revolve around relationships likely because you look passable possibly even great. Even relationships that end for other reasons women reach back out to attractive exes rarely ugly exes or average exes because they likely only had the mental element of the relationship because they aren't as desirable as the womans ideal man physically. Most people are not truly privy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:20 PM
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Oh they did too. Using single women (some of them are taken) just compiles more reason to not try
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:03 PM
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Sure, none of thay translates to women
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:57 PM
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Tragic I have never had a single motivated bone in my body despite finding some success for myself
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:46 PM
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That saying is a literal fallacy. The justworld fallacy That completely ignores that what we dois greatly effrcted by other people. An non dating example the amount of people who are on a waiting list after college to get a job in the career they picked that will have to wait years to get in.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:20 PM
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So you commented under the assumption that I wanted someone else to blame? More than likely your assumption was women. Says alot about you actually. The post is to root out people likely similar to you who refuse to admit or say there can be other factors outsode of your control keeping someone single
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:16 PM
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For me its nothing, I assume they're taken or someone else is occupying thier time/mind or that we're jot in the same league. At work I treat them like any customer and give them as good a time as I can. Usually the women around me, even strangers cannot help but comment how "fine" a man was before he leaves the room amongst the various jobs I've been at here's some quotes "I know that dick long" "I ight need me some of him, his beard omg" "I could never trust him he too pretty" "he can get it" …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:59 AM
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If you're not the most desirable to her, the relationship will flip on its head and end. Which will wain over time even if you are at that single moment. Found her cute/attractive, liked me and actually checked in on me. Emotional bonds are nothing in comparrison to lust though, eventually she will want something new, her curiousity of other people will overpower whatever bond we have. Thats just how relstionships work. That could be 2024 or the 1970s You should care because its the clock that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:51 AM
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Not a sex worker, has her own appeal, has a want to grow and a capacity to put me first or get into my hobbies, loves affection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:41 AM
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Its also interesting how many men point out personality and other qualities despite you likely thinking of them as sex obsessed beasts
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:10 AM
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Of the two ltr I've had the women came to me, when this current one inevitably ends, that approach is not going to happen unless I am objectively attractive given the way women react to attractive men. Even the women you get into a relationship with will never desire you as much as that attractive man and people like you completely ignore the fact that there is a genetic limit and you can only self improve but so much so you set people on an infinite often exacerbant self improvement loop. Espec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:08 AM
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All that means is that she's more willing to settle and may be slightly more realistic, but that doesn't stop lust. Lusting over things I can't change despite my physique, a handsome face
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:53 AM
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If others think I'm nothing without the suit then reality dictates, I am nothing without the suit. If I was it would reflect that through what others think and do with me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:50 AM
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It doesn't work for a majority, just because the women are with the men does not mean they're satisfied or desire those men, especially not as much as they do a truly attractive man. I'm just staying prepared for my second ltr to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:49 AM
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Natures/Genetics. Here coems your somplete refusal that there is a limit on how much you can self improve
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:47 AM
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Not a single one, the two women I've had ltr with came to me first and witnessing how they react to truly attractive men, I'm nevee going to put myself in the situation to try and prove myself as worth thier time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:45 AM
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I have quite literally watched career oriented women shelter unemployed men for good dick even after he screwed them over, you sound extremely naive actually. If you described those men as stand offish, sex focused and fun I'd be more inclined to believe you. Vibrant paints an extremely inaccurate picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:07 AM
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Not really. Sometimes you're ugly after you put work into your body and personality and can court no one because you don't have options
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:00 AM
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Others don't Being setback by my parents The goal I'm reaching for not being worth it because it won't likely be actual desire
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:49 AM
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No the source of the ambition is me getting the desire I want, spite is the consequence of the effortIhave to put in to get it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:46 AM
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Already acknowledged and known before I posted, most of whatvwomen care about are looks, you can change your league if your genetics line up which is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:33 AM
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It doesn't owe me shit but I will try my spiteful best to get those answers and get what I can from the world and people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:31 AM
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First portion of that is right "I can't get what I want" its not to feel special, I deal with as close to cold facts as I can. I'm a leftover man whos had 2 long term relationships with women who wouldnt have even looked my way if my glow up didn't pan out decent. Also yes but I seek out echo chambers that echo against what I believe, most of the time I look for my beliefs to be shattered in real life is only met with more confirmation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:32 AM
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Some people we're pilled before they came in contact with the mindset online. I am one of them, and barely consume the content, if anything I consume more content preaching the opposite of the pill I currently agree the most with, that's why I post here as well if anything is as sound as what repetitively transpires in the world that gives me this ideology. I have friends who share more ideologies again with the people who argue against what I believe than who agree with what I think. I don't bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 02:00 AM
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Sometimes the need they have and more often than not, is sexual/physical satisfaction. Also that happens very often. Usually before they actually get serious, but it still happens. I have had a handful of female friends confide in me the spark isnt physically there ontop of numerous stories, eavesdropping on some strangers. You're naive to assume that doesnt happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:29 AM
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Yep you're part of the problem. Main character syndrome at its finest, negative traits outside of looks has never been a deterent for getting laid or even relationships, its all about how physically desired you actually are, and you will refuse to admit that theres a genetic limit on how much you can actually improve your physical looks. Like ending up jacked or shredded and still have an unnattractive face.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 01:10 AM
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And you're how old?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:57 AM
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ATTRACTIVE nerds are pulling. It is still mostly the same between races, black nerds, latino nerds are not being checked for trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:44 AM
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Nevermind I thought the post title was more of an analogy, admittedly I didnt read your post, sorry this was a lazy comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:42 AM
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They don't grieve them, they just want the "alpha" men they lust after to be slightly more controlable/tameable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:21 AM
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I have witnessed it first hand from friends and numerous coworkers usually unprompted outside of the interaction itself, alongside some eavesdropping. I have not witnessed alot of the opposite online or in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:18 AM
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You completely ignored the fact that I have hobbies I go to, I turn down the people at my job becaue its mostly partying/clubbing. There is plenty of time and opportunities to analyze people. Eavesdropping, on my way to work, dates at my store, coworker gossip, shopping, a few of my hobbies that include the gym, stand up comedy, nerd bars, conventions, psyche believe it or not which leads me to believe most people are predictible, me included, you included. Complex does not lend itself to unpred…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:16 AM
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I have bad news for you, I am not red pill. Its not a cold calculation its a passion filled subconscious attraction. Most and even that hypothetical woman that loves me still likely misses or lusts after chad, so yes I give a shit because that past experience stands in my way. Most women aren't picking or idealising these ugly men at the peak of thier confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:09 AM
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I currently have a girlfriend but I can acknowledge when it ends I am not going to be romantically desired by women unless I maximize my looks, potentially not even then Own my own business, cut 78lbs, most aquantainces and people around me always laugh and have a good time when I'm around especially at work, I take care of close friends and family along with actual feasible life advice for the people that listen from credit to relationships. You'll likely laugh at the thought of me giving relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 12:04 AM
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I get along with most people. I've known this girl whos moving states for a job, for at most 2 weeks and she hugged me goodbye as if we've known eachother for years, people invite me places, I don't end up going because I'm too ugly and not invested in clubbing/partying. As thier boss I have alot of female employees I keep company with and get through shifts, they seem to have no problem with me, I stay mostly away and reject offers to join them out as having your boss in your business is annoyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:51 PM
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No but they can still be willing to sleep with anyone/lower than what they're used to due to sex drive, I see that in any woman I look at, the probability of any woman crushing on me especially to the degree of what I've seen even going below my league is extremely low. The heaviest I've dated was 270, but by all means tell me more about how my league is too high
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:41 PM
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The hormones will take over and those not up to par will miss out, struggle against the grain of life and likely fail again regardless of whos advice they choose. They'd do it because don't lack self awareness of where they are on the dating and social totem pole. "Nerds" or As deemed by women "Nerdy men" are red blooded yet not popular among women just because you put forward a want does not mean it gets fulfilled. They would be wise to listen if they HAVEN'T Pulled, if they did then clearly it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:37 PM
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Half the couples also end up breaking up or dead bedroommed. Most men who end up getting a chance after a break up or even a ONS, it even having thier ex regret dumping them or miss them are usually extremely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:30 PM
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So that means you have the thought process of infinite self improvement, infinite possibilities to prove on for an infinite amount
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:28 PM
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My point is she was more willing to settle and more railwayed into settling because it was the 70s, any guy that looks like that, doesn't stand a chance in 2024, I would argue he wouldn't even make it to celebrity status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:26 PM
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And if he ends up having a one night stand with her or just casual sex then disappearing is she still in his league? I assume you're saying yes. Also for reference I don't shoot I refuse to. My first girlfriend approached me (that lasted 5 years), as did this girl (2 years so far )and seeing how women react to actually attractive men I refuse to until I am my best looking self once this relationship likely runs its course, it won't go well until then. Its pathetic to throw darts at a board and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:23 PM
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Yet again another deflection to it being the mans fault. Now you're suggesting a lack of self awareness, there are only but so many areas to improve upon and only an amount you can improve within reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:10 PM
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I agree its never possible yet many people act as though it is. People do but they are delusional about the amount of control you have over it. People think its impossible to become shredded and have your face remain ugly. They act as though its impossible to improve your charisma and have people only ever view you as a friend. They also think its impossible for someone to date you and not desire you as much as someone from thier past or another one of thier options they also act like you should…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:08 PM
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Even the woman I am dating would give that same guy an easier time than she did me. It has everything to do with me because thats what women actually desire and if I can never be that I will never experience actual desire from a woman even if they're dating me and yes dating is a competitive market making the chance of me getting picked over that guy extremely improbable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:01 PM
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Knew you'd bring that up. Different standardsand his wife had to actually settle because she isnt attractive either, that is not going to happen anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:59 PM
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I'm saying I think even males younger than me should be made more aware that women and dating and true attraction isn't fully in the cards for them, so they don't have that high hope or expectation that things will just turn around if they self improve
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:57 PM
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Im talking from a young age as well. Also many don't know from the amount that to actually whine online even despite self improvement, those still on self improvement , those still trying to recapture thier youth and I dont just mean being single but getting laid too or ending thier virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:22 PM
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Last thing. Just because I can acknowledge negative things does not mean it comes from a place of resentment. It is infinite so long as you fail to get what you want, attracting a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:14 PM
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It lets other men know its ok to give up on dating and say its not in the cards for you, i'm not saying give up on life. Thats a consequence of that being all they know. My "whining" is a consequence of a the infinite self improvement life advice people like you spew.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:06 PM
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No because other men deserve to know its an actual option, instead of being a slave to hope and an infinite grind, barely worth the squeeze. The woman most self improvers will get will never desire them as much as they desire the next attractive guy who walks into thier job or hell even from her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:55 PM
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Productive of what? Results again are not a 1 to 1 because life isnt fair, no matter how much effort you put in sometimes it isn't enough. You will just end up a guy that introduces other people and get passed over for your more attractive friends as you rise through ranks socially and financially
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:51 PM
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Many men don't need to approach a woman outside of a hello then they'll be more receptive due to how attractive that man is sometimes even without slaving away as many hours you put in the gym and you will never be as desired as that man even by the women you end up dating
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:50 PM
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You overrate the need for social skills to be dateable with how much women swoon over men they've never interacted with or barely have and have only seem him and exchanged pleasantries at most. Those ugly men will never get that or even that type of effort put back into them
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:46 PM
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So what you're saying the probability is low and men who haven't seen success should still spend thier lives gambling on self improvement paying off for them? Not to mention getting a girlfriend isnt the only goal being desired is also the goal, it is delusional to say you see someone with someone and assume they're happy or satisfied. Tell a guy he has to date the same woman that swooned over another man or initiated conversation with another man because he was uniquely atrractive, see how well…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:44 PM
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What do you have to say for the men who are more attractive but interact with people just as shittily as those that are scapegoating genetics but still find success even lots of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:34 PM
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Incorrect as even when you do improve other factors and fail people still shift it to being your fault. Not that its womens fault but they never blame your circumstance, genetics, luck etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:28 PM
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And for those who have worked on it and seen success in other areas but not in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:26 PM
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What if they improve both personality and body and still struggle. Many people don't bring this up or even acknowlwdge it can happen. All they will do is just point the finger at the man and suggest he hasn't, hasnt rried hard enough or can still self improve completely ignoring genetic limitations or even a genetic limit in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:22 PM
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You are delusional if you believe that for anything other but preselection. Attractive men are made more attractive by the assumption of experience. Leaders and people with accompliahments will never be more desired than just a good looking man, because achievements are attached to him due to how he looks. Usually its attached to how successful he may be with women but it is attached to other things. Thus the Halo effect. Plenty of other men don't have to put in that work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:18 PM
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Already aware, more so exposing the toxic self improvement infinite loop people push and believe
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:15 PM
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Yes however you deny any competitive advantage and downplay them. As if people are monoliths of infinite improvement, my first girlfriend approached me back when I was more attractive around 16, alongside how I see most women gossip or talk about how handsome other men are, I will never not see looks as the end all be all understated advice vs the overstated personality, money status, hobbies etc
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:14 PM
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I'm not arguing that. I more so argue the delusional infinite self improvement people think everyone is capable of. More often than not people suggest that than suggest, its just luck of the draw or due to poor genetic or evironmental limitations in being objectively attractive or even charismatic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:11 PM
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I agree with the last sentence to an extent. Most dating advice howevee refuses to acknowledge any limit on improving yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:09 PM
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Look at the comments. You'd likely find similar on any dating advice spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:06 PM
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5/10 women are looking for 6/10+ men nothing below themselves even if its just in terms of looks. This gets truer the younger you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:06 PM
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The way nature works, there isnt a right person for everyone. Many refuse your point of view and to admit sometimes its just luck, or crappy genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:03 PM
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My ex is fearful avoidant. With that observation objectively its reasonable for men who are virgins or struggling to become attractive shitty people to secure they're not left out/behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:01 PM
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The actions he chooses border on insanity if the outcome he supposedly should be searching for is unattainable despite actions to pursue it. Hence the toxic loop of self improvement
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:58 PM
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I am willing to but part of me refuses to participate in a rigged race.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:56 PM
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Im aware, usually the spark seems to come down to looks or appears that way as people attempt to not appear shallow. In my observation women try harder for pretty men. This post is more so exposing toxic self improvement mindset where there are no genetic limits or any limitations on how much one can improve
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:54 PM
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I had this mindset since age 10, the thought process comes from how I was treated at that age by girls and nothing much but the 1 girlfriend to offset my thought process. Even then she only proved me right. Was only exposed to the internet at age 14 and I don't really consume red pill or black pill content, at most some content of women complaining or stating that other women should do x y and z to improve thier dating life Perhaps its confirmation bias but usually I'm pretty on the nose on what…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:51 PM
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Already aware, more so outting the toxic self improvement mindset people peddle and delude themselves thinking effort is a 1 to 1 ratio and basically act rhat genetic limits don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:40 PM
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That is the point of this post, outting the ridiculous ideology of those that think effort is a 1 to 1 ratio and that you can't be screwed over due to chance/genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:37 PM
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The post isnt about pointing the finger at the opposite gender its about people like you refusing to say you can point the finger at nature/genetics/chance. Life isnt fair its not going to give you a 1 to 1 ratio or anywhere close in terms of effort. People like you even bash men who give up on dating and don't complain because your fragilw worldview is deeply seated in delusional main character syndrome idealism
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:36 PM
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Some don't have women interested in them due to how they look, especially how they look in comparrsion to other dudes they interact with, pursue them or in the man in questions shared social circle
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:33 PM
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The ex had qualities that made the person pick them that they will look for in ither partners, sometines qualities that are rarer than others they can't do without that you can barely prepare for or live up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:31 PM
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The post is more so at admitting sometimes you can point the finger at nature/genetics, sometimes all thats wrong with them is physical attractiveness and you can only do but so much about that despite what people like you believe. Life isnt fair thus meaning it will never give you a 1 to 1 ratio for your effort or how you navigate life. Are you really going to sit there and tell me someone who looks like danny devito without the status and fame can just self improve and personality his way into…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:29 PM
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You are delusional, the post isnt about pointing the finger at someone else, sometimes you point the finger at nature and the hand you were dealt. If I'm advocating for anything to be blamed its genetic limitations. The post is about peoples refusal to admit that sometimes your negative dating circumstances isnt ANYONES fault not even the man in question. You are the one eager to point the finger.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:24 PM
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You are always competing if you don't meet thier looks threshhold , that is true for a not insignifigant amount of women and people like you refuse to admit that there are limitations on what you can do to physically improve. My 1 and only girlfriend approached me, I will never under any circumstances ask out or approach a woman based on how I see them approach attractive men and the one experience I had when I was attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:21 PM
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This post is about not about pointing fingers, its about the fact that men have the finger pointed at the them a majority of the time they ask for dating advice, or complain. Women barely get that. I already advocate often for solutions that would get me a warning or a ban on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:18 PM
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That will not get you actual desire. It will get you women in a way but actual love and desire it will not get you that. An example sure they may be willing to date you but they will never swoon about you when they walk out the room like a man they actually find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:16 PM
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Its a little bit delusional to say you're not competing with her ex, women get broken up with too as well as there are good qualities about her ex she will search for in every man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:14 PM
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Some nessecary things are out of your control I'm glad you pointed that out but you still sound like you think its impossible for that to hold him back.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:12 PM
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Nature. I' not advocating for anyone to blame anyone else but sometimes its not the man in questions fault. Something you very obviously don't believe because your first thought is to point the finger at someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:36 PM
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It doesn't if you can't get your foot in the door. Which is largely genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:34 PM
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Sure, but many WILL accuse you. Along side my main point, you neglect that sometimes there is no way to improve your potential or yiu have already maxed it out and its lower than needed to date
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:32 PM
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You neglect that sometimes there is no overcoming these struggles due to genetic or environmental limitations
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:30 PM
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Genetic limits exist. You can only go but so far. What do you say to a man who has gone to insane lengths personality wise and physically but his face is still objectively ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:29 PM
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Yet people like you cannot accept or put forward that sometimes you can improve and improve but being an objectively attractive person isnt in the cards for you and that personality is not as important as you put forward because you won't even get a chance to put it forward before people put you in a catergory of not someone they're attracted to due to your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:28 PM
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Already aware. I'm more so trying to reach consensus and acknowlwdgement that MOST people believe the man is at fault for his unsuccessful dating life. Too many people expect a 1 to 1 ratio of effort to success especially in dating when life isnt fair. Thinking that if they just try hard enough they shoukd achieve something that really is up to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:24 PM
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Its not negative thoughts, they're not positive either but sometimes things widely participated in like dating just isnt in the cards for you and letting go of the main character delusion is healthier than thinking life is a fair 1 to 1 ratio of you get what you put in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:21 PM
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People love having control. Selling that idea serves thier own world view and makes them money alot of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:19 PM
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Sometimes things are too late. Like that man will never experience teen/young love let alone a woman being immaturely in love with him due to women maturing, his own genetic limit etc. Sometimes you start too late because people feed you "women don't care as much about looks" or x factor that us underplayed in alot of average dating advice. Sure some will complain but most would be more willing to accept thier fate if there wasn't a lie or hope to push them to struggle fof something that is extr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:17 PM
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I know, i'm just tired of people pretending you have so much control over if your dating life even happens
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:11 PM

There is no way to know how a woman will react until you do so. Me being excited about a game is not the same as my insecurities compounding ontop of eachother. Womem react well to positive vulnerability. Negatively despite trying Men are more willing to be there for and console women than other men and In my opinion yes they have a greater tolerance where they won't think negatively off her for being vulnerable or are more ok with a neutral outcome/knowing it takes time to bounce back because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:58 PM
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They flipped him off and called him shrek
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:39 PM
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Most peoples advice is going to be extremely basic because they don't want to admit what actually led to thier relationships and the randomness of thier success or underratting the more "shallow" biological reasons they started talking. If it was as simple or as impactful as they believe having common interests nerds would be more popular with women than players. Having common interests is usually THE ONLY reason two people who have a capacity to be attracted to eachother even met, it also makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:37 PM
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People are more willing to compromise on values if thier partner looks good given that they don't believe kicking puppies and punting toddlers is the norm for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:25 PM

Yes and that emotional support cap is also effected by gender expectations that even women have. It is far more common or expected for women to be vulnerable/emotional in all manners of places but for men theres a time and a place and a smaller threshold for how ugly those emotions can be even if he eloquently states or expresses them. It is also expected of men to be less blindsided and more stoic especially with negative emotions. It is a net loss to open up to any woman you're dating or plan …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:22 PM

It is slightly relevant, but most women even most friends only want you to open up until it starts effecting them. Thid is especially true with women you're in relationships with. Also in my experience the want for a man to be vulnerable with them comes from self satisfaction like playing cupid with your friends love lives The loss of a loved one you are having difficulty getting over so you confide in them. Women have a shorter fuse for downtroden emotions and mostly won't add to her desire for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:12 PM
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People downplay how common cuck relationships are, its why the word gained traction as an insult, ironically the people who use it as an insult probably partake more in it because its still niche, that it barely carries weight. Most people use insults based on the values they have, anyone calling you soft is proud of being a hardass or believes other people value being a hardass as an example
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:05 PM
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If thats how she shows love sure. I pride myself on cooking well for myself with my weightloss and protein goals. Started out just mimicing fast food recipies because I craved them but wanted to save money learned how to do alot of things especially quick meals and cutting Even still. Its time consuming to cook. If the woman I'm tapking to has time to cook and willingly does so it is only a virtue. Alot of bitter angry regretful women love convincing other women to do less, so they aren't as reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 12:00 PM
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Yes but you can't force it. The redpill pushes you becoming DESIRABLE in multiple aspects. Physically financially and status wise and having an addictive masculine personality Though status can only come from the others. It is almost always painted as more negative that the man isn't fulfilling his duties as a partner because women are viewed as inherently doing so especialy since gender roles for them have lightened up. Mens have aswell but to a much lesser extent as being a breadwinner/go gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:17 AM
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Friendship is a relationship as not all relationships are romantic but usually frequency and friendliness . They are your most comfortable company, anyone that puts your day at ease is a friend, that can look like emotional support, cracking jokes and having fun, frequenting places together (usually similar hobbies) etc. Romantic relationships cannot exist without sexual attraction. Romantic relationships are friendships but in a more admiring light and deeper than normal friendships either thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:04 AM

I disagree, I understand "Mask" sounds malicious and devious butbit isnt. I also think it fits because its not that persons base self, they're trying to upgrade or augment thier personality in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:45 AM

I know they're not seperate, actions usually reveals the actual stronger pull/incentive for you as a person where what people say is usually the ideal they want to embody, come off as or what feeds thier personal just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 07:39 PM

All I've done in my life is introspect because I wasnt raised with inspiration or a spark of excitement. I think you're having diffuculty understanding what I mean. Masks are literally our motivation ideals and whatever else we aspire to be. Anything you have to artificially retrospectively achieve that wasn't put into you or came out naturally is just a mask. Its not a bad thing but to get to the habits you want for yourself usually people who find the most success always put on the mask of som…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:48 PM
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Yes but what they view as virtious is does not in anyway mean morally virtious or even line up with the definition of it. I think the requirement is he has to be desirable, bad/terribly toxic men do better with women as whole because they usually have much more sex appeal than the average man who would be more virtious than them. Alongside many women lust after celebrities, it only stops when the women age or acknowledge they're less desirable than other women targeting these celebs/athletes thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:41 PM
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I know asking this will always prompt being made fun of but what is your opinion on vibrators with that same logic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:27 PM
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1st: you heavily underestimate the horniness of males espevially as teenagers. Many could have sex and that same day masturbate later on because your girlfriend is at her house, no private time together or isnt in the mood again. 2nd: no one starts out addicted to porn, they search out porn because its actualization of thier open sexual imagination. You imagine something, few days down the line, search out something similar online to get closer to the fantasy. 3rd: I agree just leave unpopular m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:25 PM

Its only shallow because people constantly hide behind other things as reasons not to date a person or make them wait for sex when others didnt. Like claiming to not go for looks when everyparter up until then has been average to good looking. No you just have a higher ceiling for looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:17 PM
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Not really, she only confirmed it and continues to confirm it since I haven't heard from her in years
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:14 PM
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Half the women that enjoy casual sex are fishing for a sexy promiscious man they can latch onto, sex is also a confidence builder for women too. While half of all women may stop participating, they more thsn likely experimented in how it feels, the interest is there, they just don't want to feel judged
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:10 PM
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You remember him because its rare and not the norm
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:06 PM
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They don't need to be virtious, evidejced by the statistics of single mothers. Women are not a monolith to be pedestalized. To suggest women are all searching for virtious trusting men you're taking away any agency of them as a human being
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:04 PM
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I read all of that and clearly him being around is not a requirement, especially since it comes down to a vague silent promise apparently or apparently 40% of men are just master manipulators that only fuck themselves over by spawning a child
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:02 PM
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The more burdens you place on a woman the less she will want to be with you/around you period, so don't put any burdenful emotions in front of her. How dare you want her to reassure your jealousy is just in your head after you held it in combating your own emotions, "you should stop being so insecure." Most women get lured in or manipulated by a good lighthearted ltime.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:59 PM

It does make sense, if you actually analyze peoples thought process especially with dating its usually contradictory. Like someone saying they don't date for looks but every partner has been average to good looking. That implies that person has a higher standard for looks than they believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:54 PM

Also agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:51 PM

Eh thier likely down fall will come as most couples end up breaking up. What you said is also borderline pointless as though there is never a valid reason to have any stagnation or failures indating and that the act of complaining or venting completely invalidates numerous peoples experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:46 PM

Beyond that, you can't always be heading upward as a human. One of the things everyone should know form a young age is people like family, friends and anyone you're in a relationship with will let you down more than we care to admit. Yet people stay dramatic victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:43 PM

Sounds like you had a more positive mask than many other people. They can be positive or negative. Did you still have sex while single or was it complete singlehood? Not everyone can just introspect to find a loving person inside, sometimes you were born without support, no positive reinforcement,feel like you missed out on something most people were experiencing etc. I'm more so stating this post because everyone is so dramatic not even just on this reddit but just accusing everyone they see of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:42 PM

I'm saying they find difficult and usually have to work on not viewing thier partner differently after a vulnerabke moment. I'm also saying EVERYONE has a mask on that eventually slips. It is literally the epitome of no one is perfect or everyone is going to dissappoint you at somepoint. Also what you said doesn't immediately disqualify the later of what you said, a woman can not care for a vulnerable partner but have a mask on that she does
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:33 PM
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Eh I imagine the guys using game were more physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 10:22 AM
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Obsessed with the gym atm, boxing, card game/comic book shops, gaming. I was into martial arts but I certain teacher killed that for me at 16
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:55 AM
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I'm not an old man at 23 but the internet has lessened the blow from some of the consequences. I also argue the reverse actually, too much social accoungability where you could go viral for your reaction, like a man recording a legitmately autistic employee having a mental breakdown, to show how "unprofesional" he is,acountability at least in the world we live in now where people think everything should just workout, most people run rather than embrace
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:52 AM
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Sure they change but that doesnt make them perfect or even that different from how they were prior especially in relationships/dating, people closer to you will always see your mask slip, either way its almost never an intentional,malicious choice or doing, most people are just a lil dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 03:45 AM
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A person believing looks are everything, getting success in dating and in life when the only thing they've improved is thier looks. Example. Women actually compliment them now, don't put them lower on the totem pole of people they'd date, don't put them in the "friendzone", are more receptive to them after thier looks transformation and having very little issues or need for game, securing sex or a relationship afterward despite people stating there must be something wrong with them as a person o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:40 PM
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No most or at least half of those men would never actually categorize themselves as bad or lacking. My theory is proven by the amount of people aware of thier pitfalls as a person but lack the introspection and emotional intelligence to actually change and help themselves. Again most people are not masterminds, they usually fail and try to attempt to avoid the consequences of failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:36 PM
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As a man you're born into constantly proving yourself to people even your parents, friends, even when you have a girlfriend. The less you do the more likely she will leave you. The more attractive you are as a guy the less you have to do at least in the area of dating at he very least. It is what it is but the painful part is when people deny this..
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:23 PM
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Thats the point of this post, I already know some of the answers I'm looking for an answer I haven't contemplated or attempted yet in a random burst of "putting myself out there". I've mostly given up and accept I'm just not a male that will find another partner, as stated I still conversate with people and have a good time with them but I don't think romance is in the cards for me outside of my 1 relationship and vaguely online before I show my face ehich I actively avoid now. It has been extre…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:49 PM
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It also doesnt mean that the people "discriminated" against are shitty lazy people who aren't worth dating. I see an extremely lack of any empathy for anyone who has been kicked out of a date or sometimes even the dating pool itself because they can't match standards such as physicality, financially etc. I cannot count the amount of people I've replied to with as an example. "I don't think all women are evil, I'm sorry you had a run in with a person that can't see what you offer" Its usually " Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:46 PM
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Best advice is get them gossiping, women are very open once they are comfortable around you. People in this thread will still act like there aren't dating chameleons who are still working on themselves and do thier best to be a decent person then fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:28 PM

How would you help a blackpiller who actually sees success because of the black pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:23 PM
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Its less excuses more so saving myself embarassment
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:11 PM
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Eventually. Maybe, until then that man is stuck trying harder than the other dude ever have to just from time alone. "Gives it up for" is a saying because well who would've guessed, sex with a woman for men is highly sought after because it isnt guaranteed and is someone she has to consent to. Also. "Gives it up for" is also factual in this context because is quite literally holding it from the new man because she "wants to be with someone" . Doesnt matter her reason she withheld it from the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:07 PM
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I'm taking womens advice and being friends with women before trying to date again...the issue I face is I'm not interested in most hobbies that lead to meeting women. Sure there may be a girl or 2 at the local comic book or card shop, I,d rather not bother her because I know its a sausage fest, they're usually taken or are just there to play, but the gym and boxing is not where you go to meet people in general along with other hobbies I've done let alone women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:44 PM
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Is it not possible most of thier hobbies has led to them not having female friends currently? Most of mine moved away for college and job opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:40 PM
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Already aware
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:38 PM
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With who? I already know my friends girlfriends etc, and if I hate the club, most arent going to come. Its also not that normal for men to do that unless they're widely popular outside of a work/school setting
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:24 PM
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Ok? Then you'd also know my more negative beliefs here never come out in the physical world. I also don't try to fuck every woman in the vicinity? Wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:22 PM
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No ones called me a shit friend yet and I get along with everyone I encounter I am the closest you could get to everyones cup of tea considering they conversate with me first and end up laughing or trying not to laugh most interactions Most of my female friends have moved away for college, job opportunities so i'm looking to listen to everyones advice that will solve all of my problems apparently and continue to be friends with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:21 PM
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Thats the opposite of what I'm trying to do. I am already aware I'm ugly. Its more so about casting a net to see if I can expand my social circle and maybe if I'm lucky, some women will want to be with me romantically. Even with my first girlfriend I haven't even attempted to ask a woman out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:18 PM
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Exactly one of my points
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:12 PM
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I already do. As I keep saying I have no issue talking about nothing, making them laugh and but that doesnt line up with doing things outside of work. Most people want me to stay all day so they can talk to me and because I do great work. I've been there for many coworkees through an emotional time, lost pets, family or loved ones, financial struggles and advice, relationship issues. I am already aware of casscading questions and use them in 90% of interactions I have. I should moreso call them …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:10 PM
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Already have too many online female friends and an ex of 5 years, I need tangible people I can actually apparently do things with since thats the solution to all of mens problems, that people keep preaching on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:06 PM
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Cool it still doesnt change the fact, they aren't social in creating gatherings. Thier hobbies don't line up with mine and again outside of the club which I hate, they're not doing much to meet women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:04 PM
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Already aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:02 PM
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So most smiles I get I should take that as a sign of interest? My standards aren't very high to my knowledge especially looking back objectjvely on whom I've dated. I have improved myself all I can. Dropped almost 80lbs in 2 years, i've had some women I worked with before owning my own store grab and rub my back and randomly touch me than ever before, I'm more social and charismatic than I've ever been as someone who hates talking, own my own store, updated my wardrobe to compliment my new body.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 08:02 PM
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Mine don't really have parties or community events they're just a supply chain. I have people I like from that supply chain but I dont even want to chance muddying the waters with them. Plus the fact they are all male.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:52 PM
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I am aware, I am Humoringthe bluepillers and I'm going to socially experiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:50 PM
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I'm not super hookup crazy and I have deemed myself too ugly for online dating, despite my glow up and work out regimine. I likely could have more female friends if I was more actively pursuing that at my job but I like to be mostly left alone and be detached from it. I provide my coworkers and customers with lots of conversation even though I hate talking and I'm usually socially drained so I need a different sphere
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:43 PM
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Sometimes you're too ugly for tinder. I already know what you're going to feed me, redpill schlop but no sometimes you are too ugly for online dating, so the next best thing is to cast a wider net of your social circle. Yes I already go to the gym extensively. I can give you my work out if you want but sometimes the face just does not translate to how in shape your body is. Its not with the express interest of dating, its only that if they're willing to date me. I think game and text game is pat…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:38 PM
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I have chick friends already ones who moved away and I can't be daily friends with , this is more of an experiment to see how limited the spaces actually are. I would just want a friend possibly a friend who has other friends to introduce me to for the purposes of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:34 PM
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I am already aware, giving the benefit of the doubt to see if I'm in correct in how limited these spaces are when people just tell others "go meet women" "talk to women"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:29 PM
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Its hard to do that when you're thier boss. I own my own store so most people at work are my employees, not to be condeacending its just most people dont want thier boss in thier business.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:27 PM
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Boxing, the Gym, comic book/card game shops, that is literally it, don't have time for many outside hobbies as I own my own store.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:24 PM
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Well not just that sometimes the social cues signal its just going to be a polite interaction. No want to be friends or anything more than friends. Usually social cues aren't an issue, you just have to ask them cascading questions. Like after plesantries I'll throw out a random show I enjoy, ask them if they like that genre or if they aren't someone who watches current tv I'll ask them about past tv or segway to what besides tv they like to do. In most places I go I always have long conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:20 PM
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Women in general do not want virgin/inexperienced guys even older/ leftover women
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 05:19 PM

You try to make it a moral argument and invalidate the claim by going back to the "people are sex crazed pigs" arguement. Firstly sex can lead to relationships and friendships EASILY especially now, it can make you popular. Have people take you places they know you would thrive. Certain friends don't get asked out to the club or events because they center around sex appeal and relationships. Mind you children are sadly getting involved in dating earlier and ealier, from music to tiktok, roughly …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:47 PM
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I agree though hypergamy is just natural selection (for lack of a better term) doing its thing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:28 PM
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Its not that life doesnt move mountains when they do nothing its that nothing changes when you do make big change and being lied to about why. Oh no Jeremy is now more charismatic and makes a ton more money yet is still at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of men in his friend group in terms of looks. Most people didnt ask to be born lol, yes I would date myself even though I don't have looks on my side I can have fun with anyone, and emotionally support and financially support ALMOST anyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:27 PM
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It xomes down to attractiveness, the guy she makes wait is 9 time out of 10 less attractive physically than the man she gives jt up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:11 PM

I am never going to deny exceptions but who I believe most black men will encounter will not prefer that archetype of black men, so yes. I am also curious your age if you like sharing as this sounds more like a generational disconnect. I am 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:43 PM

My suggestions, focus on your looks or other races of women. A nerdy black dude with glasses playing the guitar is alot different than persay Bob Marley or J. Cole. Women care alot about Aesthetics. Thats why they have prefered types. Not everyone has the genetic make-up to play guitar or even other instruments thats why even after years of practice you won't even be able to touch people who do it professionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 08:53 PM
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It likely won't so long as the west stays to its same opinions on work etc. In many asian countries the workplace is highly coveted and people are overworked much more normally. We are only now starting to get a taste of that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:12 PM

You're telling mr as a black man I' supposed to play guitar or peddle a mixtape and NOT get called cringe and corny? /
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:59 PM

Im chill with him having a problem with it but openly whining about it to the woman is pathetic, just dump her
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:53 PM
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Most male fitness influeners take peds and peds are shortening thr lifespan and dirextly physically damaging young men as we speak. Im not just talking about huge roided teens, many take it to stay lean with great muscle mass. The use of drugs and body dismorphia is only rising
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:51 PM
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Others don't need to do it or have had guidance from a young age. Some will still end up trying less than you and get 3x your success and success with women. You could also have half to none of the genetic potential especially in regards to your face and end up middling or with nothing but wasted time and effort, not to mention the high likely hood of you being cheated on or left for another. Good luck to you, in getting laid I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:19 PM
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I didnt even get that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:15 PM
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Not everyman can be a prize, this is unrealistic redpill schlop. Look into genetic determinism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:13 AM
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Its just redpill main character schlop
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:12 AM
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https://datepsychology.com/are-27-of-young-men-really-virgins-and-why/ https://preview.redd.it/kcylsoy2413d1.png?width=823&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68cb171138f132fd2cc75aca5124632332d64b76
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:29 PM
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Pfffft. Okcupid still didnt have an insignifigant number of people and only goes against what youre preaching, it makes your point even worse as its NOT a popular dating site but the one where men did the best on The first study ironically incoporates dead bedrooms into the mix, as a portion of the people are attached, amongst never married people, a larger % of the current population now mind you is a lot more evenly balanced https://preview.redd.it/j1fherzv213d1.png?width=611&format=pjpg&auto=…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 08:23 PM
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80% of people are getting laid. 60% of women and 20% of men you are completely right about that. Ok cupid is unironically one of the better OLD apps but I wasnt and dont need to bring that up even.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:55 PM
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And you're actively demonising being socially awkward at all. Even in an attempt to get better at it, or continuing to be socially awkward due to past bad reactions to them doing so. As though every man is born charismatic or is inclined to be from thier personality and experiences/environment Not all men are born with the talk to women gene, let alone the ability to talk to them romantically gene.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 01:07 PM
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They can't stop seeing men as stupid and themselves as victims
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 11:51 AM
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Lol no they're not nice to deformed people, far less women than men get treated like shit because they're ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 11:47 AM
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I play games when I deem someone doesnt actually want me but seems to want to prove something to themselves by idk not being as shallow as they were in the past. Like persay the guy they last dated or slept with had abs or a certain look. If i'm not close to that look or can get the same passion he did I usually start to play games. Give them empathy and get them to open up, give them acceptance and fun then ghost them, I started doing this with my ex who cheated emotionally or physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:44 AM
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Most men aren't desired by thier wives or girlfriends. Women react completely differently to attraftive men than an average to below average looking man, if you sat and observed the differences in behavior and attitude that women take when they like a mans physical appearance, you'd place far less importance on personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:13 AM
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The ick is usually just a petty excuse when they're not attracted to a man for other reasons and can't find it in themselves to look past those often shallow or more physical and integral reasons. In my opinion the ick is the womans version of men realising a girl isnt long term material or fits that image. Somewhere along the way that partner damaged the image of what the other partner thinks a man, a woman a wife a husband or or whatever they were hoping to make them, should be. I chalk it uo …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:26 PM
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Yes, they may not get prince charming but they also likely eon't get whatever imagined up, vile putrid male the envisioned in thier head because women always argue (and i guarantee someone mentioned it in this post) quality vs quantity and generally have a low opinion of the hypothetical male they would be with. Its hard to acknowledge that has merit when apparently they get with scummy males they end up picking anyway IF the woman in question has been played, cheated on, broken up with or scamm…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:18 PM
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Most manosphere tries to sell the notion that the table is flipping for women in dating thats why they like to say they're leaving/leveling up and becoming unattainable as if they weren't forced out the door To preface I am not blue pill I am more red pill than anything but main character syndrome and attempts to one up women who are currently winning in at least western society is so cringe to me. They are currently out earning men, more women than men are college educated, women are still more…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:45 PM
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Most only need therapy because they cling to hope of keeping a woman or getting women through self improvememt peddled by men genetically more handsome than them. What would actually help people self improve is acknowledgjng mental pitfalls of genetic determism. If alchoholism runs in your family getting in front of that will help you more than taking 10'000 showers a day, or hitting 12% body fat because even if you do that you may have been meant to struggle or not have the wualities capable to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:36 PM
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No most of them likely were that girl that either did get manipulated or got with an older man so they can feel grown, and have no responsibilities in the relationship + other perks of having an older partner. Some are just so close minded and narratively brainwashed they can't think of a young woman as anything other than a victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:27 PM
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That number only grows larger the bigger the class. Exactly its not some teen movie. Mosts outcasts stay outcasts, most men aren't desired by thier girlfriends and wives. If it was a teen movie this would be a solvable issue
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:08 PM
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Most are, and at the very least most "outcasts" are unattractive/ugly. You're only labeling them as outcasts to suggest theres something wrong with them not caused by thier evironment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 08:55 PM
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No you may think they're mixed but they arent, there is always at least 2-3 people per small class that are excluded, picked last for projects and other things etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 07:49 PM
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Most popular people are attractive to slightly above average. It is seldom and unattractive person or an average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:53 PM
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I know. I was simply using another example
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 05:52 PM
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I have watched this happen and had this happen to me, hell I've had the same girl I had been with for 5 years watch thirst traps shamelessly in front of me. Eventually once this type of girl shows he true colors you just need to emotionally detach We split half a universal studios vacation and at the airport on my flight home I ghosted her immediately following the trip home. Personally though I tried to get revenge. It likely wasnt anything to her or a way to break up without her having to do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:57 PM

I think we can all admit at the very least a woman that won't look at you different for showing emotion is not a majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:51 PM
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They're not confusing they're actuslly extremely cut and dry. People only complicate them when they want to much, try to bring morality into it etc. If they weren't cut and dry, popular dudes in highschool and college wouldn't be attractive before they were popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:48 PM
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You're completely delusional. Most peoole remain not as desired by thier partner as they want to believe especially men. The men who are atrractive dont NEED to do it through looks it simply happens, they develop game or at least the ability to be confident with women before ugly men get luckily enough to have a woman tolerate them lol but again it isnt needed like it is with average to below average men. Again its a completely different world being attractive vs being average/ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 04:40 PM
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Nothing you're saying disproves women are visually stimulated sexually as well. I'll humor you and use your own argument against you, womens reactionary sexuality can react to a visually stimulating enough male. Its not all mental gymnastics. Its just mental gymnastics fot you because she has a low sexual attraction to you because you're supposedly ugly . Thats why atrractive men have an easier time turning on a woman especially if 2 hypothetical specimens: one conventionally unattractive the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:47 PM
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Tingles and mood IS male sexuality as well we simply have a lower threshold and standards for it happening.The tingles is just sex drive. Our mood is almost always good enough to have sex or develop romantic interest so it doesnt impact our sex drive AS much. Both of these things are still susceptible to visusl stimulation. The better looking the man, the more intense her tingles will be and the less impacted her mood will be by his fuck ups or the better it will be when he takes her mind off of…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:00 PM
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No because I can confidently say MOST women subconsciously react and think this way, not SOME. If it were a minority of women that would be applicable. SO With common sense: men who look better are picked more often, treated better even post breakup than average to below average looking men With anecdote: women who trust you share thier opinion and secrets more than who they front as to keep up social appearances, or if they're around more women than men they will be more open about thier attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:27 PM
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No women do. Its that most men dont meet thier looks threshold to be noteworthy. If they truly didnt care, they'd rate them in all types of numbers not low. Yiu contradict yourself because what you say isn't anywhere close to the truth. When the men are noteworthy in terms of looks, you better believe thiers a reaction from most women. Be it a verbal release of those emotions or a change in body language, conversation and how easily she lets it flow or her interest in him is piqued.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:06 PM
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You're not considered normal if you've never had a relationship. You can argue currently that most men and women are single but having no interest put in you or being able to attract SOMEONE at some point in your life isn't normal. You likely don't care because you haven't witnessed other men get that, thats all I ever witness, but only a specific type of man. An attractive one. Yes I do think, just before your eyes shut for the last time thst you will consider how your family will do or how you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 12:03 PM
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I just consider that dirty talk personally. The best tactic is cutting yourself off to kiss them or suck on them. It boosts thier confidence like nothing else in my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:47 AM
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Men rate women more highly in terms of looks than women do men. Those men got girlfriends temporarily but didnt keep thier interest and again you make no mention of how long or how much effort those men had to put in just to catch the interest of these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:16 AM
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I am not redpill. Most men are not single by choice, women are theres a huge difference in mindset. Have you had people show interest in you? If you have you can more contently step away from dating because you have proof you are wanted. Eventually yes it becomes painful to hear how wanted my friend is, in contrast to my complete lack of positive experiences. Of course if its something negative I listen and console but with bad there will also be good news, meeting someone new, a memory they mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 01:12 AM
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More people have had relationships be it short or long, than people have been the worlds strongest man' an olympic runner, or a grandmaster in chess. There are levels to how basic many of these accomolishments are, it is literally expected that at least in or by highschool most people are having relationships, gaining interest in eachother or having sex and being barred from that due to how you look will never not be a defeating feeling or alienate you. What will you do when all your friends get…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:23 PM
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Others/ your partner deem you a good lay if you get results and can actually please them especially in vanilla . Lets not downplay how much visual stimuli can turn both men AND women on or make it easier for them to climax I agree reading your partners reaction is key to being a good lover. The desire to please your partner is of course good but actually being able to is better,being able to without heavy coommunication and during spontaneous sex is even better. An example fuq bois and players d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 07:13 PM
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It is desperation but men calling average to below average women isnt desperation. Men generally rate women higherand have a much lower looks threshold for who they consider attractive and dateable. Women more than men in dating get away with being overweight. What is desperation is everyones rush to end thier virginity or raise thier body count but it loops back to what women majorily want. Sure some women may not MIND a virgin or a low n count man but they don't prefer it, nor is it thier 2nd …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:09 PM
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You saying he didnt answer or dodged your question is a strawman. Anything pointing out or attacking something (especially despite him answering you) to claim that he dodged or didnt answer the question is a strawman. Its like a reporter asking a question you have to extrapolate on then acting as if your extrapolation is dodging the question or manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:04 PM
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He did answer your question. Better safe than sorry because you have no way of knowing. Most of the time you find out at the moment of being vulnerable
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:43 PM
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What you said is backwards. Attractive people do not have to be decent or moral to get attention' sex relationships. Its a bonus if they do but someone eill always want them until those looks fade. They will always be picked more than an ugly jack of all trades
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:19 PM
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All of it depending on follower count. Most are more respected and valued than anyone doing constructions thats for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:12 PM
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Sometimes you get rejected without even approaching. Women discussing in highschool or the workplace who looks good/who they'd potentially date is not super uncommon. If one brings it up the others may be inclined to give thier input. Overhearing all of them laugh and gag because they mentioned you while you had headphones on is a huge blow to your self esteem especially if it happens more than once.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:10 PM
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It does, the amount of people that fit that criteria is a small percentage of the population but thats still tens of thousands of people, it lines up with how miniscule the incel population is. Blackpill is not strictly an incel movement mind you. Not all incels are virgins and vice versa. Many incels are also redpill because they put in the work and still failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:05 PM
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Its not. Most of them likely have friends but those friends likely don't pursue doing anything with them. They also likely are never asked out to the club where most people meet people, get laid, expand thier social circle etc. So yes being ugly likely barred them from having friends, more friends or certain popular human experiences. They paint the average man as having to struggle to get women or having to put in alot of effort to do so especially in comparrison to chad/the guy whos just born …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:02 PM
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No more than likely you just had a low opinion of yourself before you believed in the red pill. Mind you exceptions only serve to prove rules, you only point yourself out because ugly men getting laid is not the normal occurance. You sound like a gambling addict of sorts. "Most men give up just before they win" You got laid a bunch, how many women are still trying to lay you after that like chad? How many have tried to keep you and pursue a relationship with you? Or you successfully with them. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:54 PM
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As I keep saying men adapt to what women want and do. Despite the sprink sprinkle trend women will still unknowingly be attracted to the men that participate in it. Sometimes knowingly. . The justification for all this is your inclination was to use SOME, NOT MOST women. So long as most reward behavior that damages them or hurts them, men eill just keep doing that to more easily get women/get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:47 PM

As did the women who actively seeked out a man to cheat with. She's the one that had to give him a chance. This type of interaction is only increasing. Women have no reason to be loyal and connection and loyalty are always finite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:43 PM
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Men and women are not that different, especially when it comes to dating. Women pick prettier because they're finally allowed to, they're not tied down by having to find a male breadwinner just to have a normal life in our society. The red pill is more bluepilled than the blackpill. You put women on a pedestal of being different and not as shallow or visual as men. That is only because women likely aren't very open around you and you refuse to observe how differently women women treat attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:40 PM
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Yes but womens spaces with misandric rhetoric hasn't even posts. They did its called TOS and moderators
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:32 PM
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Yes its possible all the women you encounter. Or a vast majority of the female population categorize you as ugly or not someone they'd be interested in due to factors you can't change outside of surgery like your face. The gym can reveal your jaw line but it can't grow you one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:30 PM
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In your mind no excuse is valid is what I'm getting, which is just as delusional a take as theirs Most blackpillers don't make excuses they're lamenting the fact that they had no hope in dating from the onset. You can't make excuses for something that doesnt exist in the first place. Most only "make excuses" because they're arguing agsinst questions and redundant no impact solutions proposed by the reddit and others they've encountered
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:24 PM
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Eh I disagree. Looks are 90% of dating. From possibly rekindling breakups Getting people interested in you for relationships, casual sex and even just general positive reinforcement from women . Money gets you no loyalty Status gets you people using you or who are shallow Personality doesnt matter unless the person is attracted to you in the first place and most people won't be attracted to you on personality alone A combination of these makes you maybe good enough, but not desired and doesnt le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:18 PM
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Looks can also determine your self esteem andhow much positive reinforcement you have in certain aspects of life. You may not be confident in disarming a bomb but you can be confident in dating as an example
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:00 PM
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Because it lines up with reddits progressive tos. Values held by people. Its the reason feminist groups can exist on reddit and have extremists and outliers but male spaces cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:56 AM
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Looks need to be discussed more openly that way younger men interested in dating don't take for granted how important looks are to life and dating. This would also help fight against obesity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:54 AM
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So you agree with the blackpill. Looks will dictate most of your life it sounds like. All you see is peoples reaction to the blackpill not the blackpill itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:52 AM
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Its not defeatist its that the blackpill is a hard truth and those that can't handle it will shatter and lament how life looks like its going for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:51 AM
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Most women who are there, don't care abiut that nor know that. Meaning there is no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:48 AM
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Its the ability or option to get a relationship and how easily I can get that compared to other people. Actually not even that, any positive reinforcement from women that I see other men get. I will never get the reactions nor aftermath from a single woman I encounter that a random good looking customer gets from female staff I've witnessed at numerous jobs and settings. From school, to social outtings and again work. By your definition I have been living. I work out, own my own store , have a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:30 AM
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These people usually give advice from a priviledged place. Be it they are already average to good looking, or thier genes allowed them to yeild results from self improvement. Not all men just suddenly become handsome squidward after working out long enough. Working out can reveal your jaw line it CANNOT grow you one as an example. They refuse to admit and believe there can be losers who tried hard and didnt get anything. Its just hopeful delusion to fit thier own world view. Sometimes you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:24 AM
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Why would you even go outside for more than nessecity when you're ugly, you are just going to be laughed at. There's plenty of artists, more unique and outside of the hobby better looking and more believable then you that they can do something. Meaning that creativity will likely amount to nothing. Unless you want to be 30 something showing off your drawings to your friends as you struggle to get picked up/ a chance. We can't all succeed. Life needs and will naturally birth losers for contrast w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:16 AM
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13% highballing. Average to good looking men who are well groomed and look unique and dont have to put too much time into the gym because thier metabolism isnt bad and they have decent habits. However they need to have the genetic base for this to even work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:06 AM
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Strawmanning him into answering, many people hide themselves and other things until you're living together or farther along in the relationship, Things they may not even know is inside them. They may be supportive about other things like your ambitions and more basic complaints you have about your worklife but something that triggers a less positive emotional response could have them flipped on you. " Hey I haven't told you this but I've been feeling a bit paranoid and really reminded of the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 11:01 AM
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The core reason for change is women/ other people, how you're treated is the end goal of the change as self esteem is also a reflection of how you've been treated by others. Most self improvement doesnt make life more enjoyable it takes commitment and effort you're going to be miserable in, while others don't even have to do half of what you're doing. Sometimes mind you self improvement doesnt pay off, life isn't fair and will not give you a 1 to 1 ROI that you put on yourself. Examples: You wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 10:56 AM
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Cover up and refuse to answer because the answer is yes. Most women do fight gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:03 AM
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I asked you a question. I asked you if Every woman you've encountered has never fought against gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 03:00 AM
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You're telling me every woman you've encountered has been happily fufiling gender roles never once compared themselves to a slave and I should ignore the outrage women have when men suggest they take on feminine traits and roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:38 AM
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The point many women make in response to men saying they need to have sex to be good at sex, of "all women are different in bed, what one girl likes another may not" like what eorogenous zones they like and how they like them treated. Theres only but a few hundred combinations on how to touch and pleasure a woman, its super learnable to the point it gets redundant This same cop out sentiment is parroted in discussions about the prefered length of a mans john. It also solves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:34 AM
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Most people do not call women or rather society out for promoting that women behave the opposite and in spite of gender roles, thus women mostly misunderstand what men let alone without ill intentions actually want and they end up getting used or thier time wasted by dudes who "make it clear" what they want. People are not smart enough to learn on thier own or before something happens to solve thier own issues. You can try and downplay it as a generalization it is just a fact, most women will ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:26 AM
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Yeah no, most women prefer extroverted men anyway,even other character traits many women are extremely samey about you just have to be willing to look. What you said is a complete cop out her type comes down to face, body type and ethnicity SOMETIMES but mostly the first 2, one of the only things you got semi right. Your goal should be to look even better that women make exceptions for you. Womens types changes, sometimes on a dime or sometimes over time or even 1 night. The mere fact it can cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 02:14 AM
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Because they want sex from actually attractive guys, women are visual too+ that attractive guys confidence will make her relax more. Most women are not going to be thier full sexual selves with average to below average men. The only exception is if that guy ends up being the best in bed with her, which is a huge IF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:56 PM
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Type has to do with attractiveness. Women break rules for attractive men its very simple. That person wasnt attractive enough. Redpillers overplay what they view as "the perfect guy" even objectively. You only have that experience because you were attractive enough to catch thier eye. Status matters, money means fuck all, this is proven anytime a woman gives a bum type of thug a place to stay cause he can give her 24/7 attention and good pipe to be frank.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:49 PM
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I already have, the issue is people demonize that too. Some people are not meant to reproduce or have romantic interest, I am one of them. All I am is kind, I still end up the butt of jokes no matter where I go, I hear people because I don't say fuck all beyond a few well placed jokes and just enough to get me through the day. I'm funny because its surprising someone as ugly as me can match anyones taste in humor. Its the best tactic to get people to leave me the fuck alone and get them laughing…
/r/ExRedPill24/05/24 11:46 PM
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No need to lecture me I already said we can change ourselves by saying results rule the world. Why would I lose out on experiences and gaining experience by not mimicing thier behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:52 PM
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Lookmaxxing originated in incl/blackpill forums not the red pill,back when the red pill had more blackpilled beliefs so yes it helped me but there are people who lloksmaxxing cannot help. Where dropping to a certian body fat % only mames thier looks worse or doesnt change much about the core features of thier face. Many blackpillers have also encountered the fact that money and status are not requirements for attracting/sleeping with/ being in a relationship with women. So the unfairness of life…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:45 PM
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I think the crazier part is that women are attracted to sexual experience majorily but underestimate how much sex you need to have to be a generally good lay. Especially with the notion "not all women are the same". I agree but theres only but so much different you can do to please different women. If they're holding on the notion of fetishes or kinks, then thier point is moot and out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:24 PM
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They are only promoted by women. Women keep picking them they refuse to take the fuq out of fuqboi and the play out of players. Leading to my take, most men are going to follow and conform to what women choose. If women want less fuqbois then even having ONS or letting them orbit around you isnt going to stop more men from becoming that. Results rule the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:17 PM
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No black pill states the way things work. The red pill is just main character cope where apparently people have no limits and effort is a 1 to 1 ROI. Most people who hear the black pill still have some hope/the redpill and blue pill in them. That is what crushes them, the uncomfortable truth that women treat you and act completely different if you are simply born right. The blackpill is just that looks are 90% of your dating experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:14 PM
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Yes most men want to be chads because they get treated better by women even if they're dating, having sex or just friends. Women also give MORE to chads thats why they hate on them after the fact. Its mainstream to hate on them but still pick them and have behaviours that attract or give those men green flags
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:10 PM
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That's a shocking opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 10:08 PM
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I think those women are exceedingly rare, due to peer pressure and cultral changes mainly in the west. Most frat bros aren't chads, at most theres 1-2 chads in that group unless its huge then maybe theres a solid nunber but likely not enough to out number the betas, the real chads you need to worry about are black dudes with curls or dreads, they get womens attention like breathing air because they look good and unique usually. Also what on earth is that middle statement? If women are getting wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:57 PM
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The tree, what id it gonna do? Tell the bear tjat pissed on it about my problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:54 PM

Yes but never forget its mainly your partners betrayal/ thier choice to cheat, blame your ex above anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:52 PM

Social politics don't care about fallacies, the sooner you learn that the sooner you can actually have people consider your ideologies. Unless you want to hide behind a single word, like sjw's feminists and bluepillers you abhor so much? Hypocrisy is worse than fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:21 PM

No you're attempting to insult me while trying to get yoir post across. I suppose I could get mine across more callously, stop whining about what you already know to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:16 PM

If they knew you were married/seeing eachother yes. Many people who ruin relationships are sly and absolve themselves by not finding out too much about the cheater before they lay down together or emotionally cheat with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 09:10 PM
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Attractive friends will simply use you consciously or not. You will only serve as contrast for how attractuve they are and how ugly and off puttinf your face and or body is. That fact alone eliminates any possibility of things sparking between you too because people have awareness to socially demote you especially once they see others do it. It certainly CAN happen, but the people you know's shallowness has to be low and there are only a finite number of open minded people. Possible does not mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:54 PM

I'm not bluepill, you're just raging and not able to comprehend what I'm saying to you. If I touch a book I would instantly combust.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:49 PM

It falls apart in any moderated space on the internet. The undesirable end is men flocking to say you're right in expletive ways or becoming an echo chamber. Im telling you I agree but whining fallacy has only ever lost people arguements and debates. Its the same as shouting or screaming. People refuse to hear you when you scream or lack eloquence. That could range from them interpreting what you say under thier loose definition of mysogyny. This is why I say any platform is never a platform for…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:41 PM
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"If you can do all those things, why can’t you do them just cause you think she’s pretty? " WORD FOR WORD what you said up above. Attractive people or attractive women rarely give you the time of day and people aren't as pathetic to just stick around forever just to bask in someone elses beauty. They'll do it for a long time but not forever. If feelings develop and it doesnt rub you the wrong way that someone else is living out the feelings you still likely have because you're still around, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:32 PM
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Glad we agree roughly 60% of men age 18-29 remain virgins. You're telling me these men are virgins by complete choice? Most of those people are men. Pointing out that chads will naturally get more women destroys any notion of women being more virtious than men, which is parrotted by too large a number of society also gets men from a younger age to focus more on thier physical appearance and not lose time trying to win women over with personality. If she likes your appearance she'll make chances …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:23 PM

"Conspiracy" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 08:16 PM
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It is natural selection. You're competing with those guys, guys online she happens to give a chance to orbit, you're also potentially competing with women if she's bi and you're also competing against singlehood lifestyle which isnt bad for women. Any competition at all is natural selection so long as it is not common for personality to win over fitness, which it isnt. I've never seen an attractive guy not get a date no matter how reclusive he is and what anti social traits he displays, somethin…
/r/ExRedPill24/05/24 08:14 PM
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Gender roles are relevant to knowing what a man wants even if you disagree with them. Im talking about women being known for being nuturing and kind and nice, most arem't or just have a mask of being so. Its not a strawman due to how many masks people wear socially
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:34 PM
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What the actual hell is that question? Its awful to do all that because she's pretty because you can easily be taken advantage of and if you ever admit that to her you will be viewed as extremely shallow because it is shallow. What I described is a very basic friendship. You're gatekeeping being a friend when most people have friends yet most people don't ever show self control especially in hobbies and activities that don't require it. Like clubbing, partying, casual sex, calling off work/schoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:32 PM
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Thats what a chad is. So long as he can get sex he can get a relationship, he may not be able to keep one but the two are synonymous to an extent. I am already aware of how men lie up and women scrape off partners they're not proud of or didnt go very far with. Chads recieve more chances in relationships, more visitation after a break up, more compliments and more positive reinforcement from women especially women beyond thier family. Lastly this info cuts off at 2016 when dating apps were begin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:26 PM
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You shouldnt flirt in normal conversation unless you're good looking otherwise you will be labled a creep or sex pest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:20 PM

They are because almost every single break up or divorce the woman has already mentally left. Its true for men too, but most men are more likely to break up or leave as a kneejerk reaction than women who give you silent chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 05:18 PM

Having a connection, relating to eachothers experiences, daily or in a large past event, being eachothers good company and bringing things for eachtoher to do isn't friendship? I do agree most guys give this to women too freely especially if they have an interest in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 01:00 PM

Usually its the last especially given the correlation of that and unsatisfied house wives/the orgasm gap etc. People disregard cause and effect when they need to suit thier own narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:58 PM

They are likely getting worse treatment if they're married the people around or the woman herself likely think the man is lucky to even have her. Theres a difference in being good enough vs being sort after and that will drastically effect your quality of life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:56 PM

Extremely mentally fulfilling given you're good at it or are extremely good looking that she's visually stimulated enough to climax easier. Women care a ton about setting and also the primal aspect of sex. Not to get to nsfw but non-consensual fantasies are common amongst women for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:52 PM

Another insult. Another example that sex, lust and looks are the only thing that matter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:50 PM
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Some care but don't know nor were nevee inclined to find out what a man wants and dismisses most males even ones she dates as just wanting sex. Society also tells women its a bad thing to be a virtious woman or one that fulfills any gender roles. Most women are not nurturing to thier SO because its not a requirement to get a man as well as, society tells them they lose out if they are. Thats why the stereotype exists of women leaving when a man is down or persay gets laid off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:49 PM
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Its because they genuinely don't know nor care. Most women have no idea what men want outside of the stereotypical "men are people who only care about sex" Alongside the anger and disgust when anything at all regarding gender roles or sometimes even human decency is expected of them. They also are not incentivised to care. If any woman states she cares what men think and need she will be met with warnings of "be careful of thier manipulation" especially if sex is on the list, she'll be called a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:43 PM
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Don't but I do advocate for you to give up completely on romantic relationships. Society both apparently wants us to know that having even just one romantic partner sometimes doesnt happen, but also doesnt want us to have a doomer or negative mindset that dating is natural selection at play. It can't make up its mind. "Yes you're not entitled to a relationship or any romantic interesr but you're not allowed to give up trying for one"
/r/ExRedPill24/05/24 12:36 PM

Not on the internet. Its not a fallacy. The only thing silencing opinions is reddits/societies polotical correctness
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:33 PM

PSA most chicks on discord are going to only be interested based on looks they are also almost always "involved" with numerous people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:31 PM

Yet women demonize men for trying to date friends lets not forget how many of those friendships are extremely short lived before those 2 people start getting interest in eachother due to mainly looks but a bit of personality maybe some bonding. Sorry but if a female friend had a choice between a guy she has a middling connection with and is average to good looking vs a chubby dude, the middling friend is getting picked 100% of the time No dude should take this as evidence he can get out of the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:29 PM

Personally I go to the gym, play card games, critique movies, study psychology, look for reasons to even attempt dating and work just at or under 40h a week. Most people I encounter I can't not make them laugh and have a good time. That shit doesnt matter unless you're attractive though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:24 PM

Expanding your social pool simply expands the amount of women that will put you in a low tier of datable prospects if you're in that pool at all because you are ugly. Doesn't matter if your personality is good, Daveys personality is passable and he's way better looking
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:21 PM

With a woman some men do. You're going to say "normal conversation can lead to relationships/romantic interest" many men don't have to do that and can lead with a more sexual approach from the get go or talk to female friends in a specific way vs male friends especially if there is light interest. Next you're going to hyperfocus on me pointing out sexual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:18 PM

Ive preached this whenever someone suggests, oh its a problem with your personality. People also underplay how much personality chad has to put in before its filled by the women who wants him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:52 AM

Not just more attractive women he will get more women in general through his entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:50 AM

Its just another word to trivialize mens issues,
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 11:47 AM
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Unless the guy is handsome enough
/r/ExRedPill24/05/24 11:40 AM
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Yes thier feelings are effected by your looks and everything you are. If it wasnt the case people wouldnt be treated differently in dating, but they are. They don't need to be in love with you to treat you better or worse than the last person based on what differences you have and it doesnt have to be anything deeper than your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:21 PM
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Just because I'm poor doesn't mean I work with and only observe poor people lol. I own my own store and 80k a year is jack shit in new york city. A thug, meaning someone who has to couch hop and cheat from woman to woman to keep a roof over his head, has a limited high risk income, a felony to boot and can't keep a job for more than 3-4 months is going to make her enough money to get out of poverty assuming the girl he's with isn't dating down because he's pretty, has a plug and can fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:50 PM
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My comment glitched out. This is a reply to the last half of your reply. Prison is also a precaution that does fuck all. Criminals turned it into a rite of passage and a way to get street cred. Women dating bullies tells men they can be a bully and still get rewarded for it. It doesn't discourage the behaviour, it simply makes more bullies. My arguement is that if women expected more from or didnt lust after morally shitty men, there would be less morally shitty men. If men didnt lust after larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:39 PM
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The way you talk implies these men are extremely rampant, despite you saying most men are not like this...you are just outraged and emotional that it happens. Could the woman that was abused not just have picked a different man? Most abuse does not blindside close friends, family etc. 61% of men are single and looking to change that only 38% of women are single and not looking. 62% of women are single and not looking. Male virginity has tripled in the last decade, around 32% of men in the same a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 07:20 PM
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Those women choose men with Risky traits, I dont know what to tell you? You are literally treating this as an intense rampant issue because you are saying men who are rejected are violent instead of a violent man was rejected. Those men that lash out are even rarer than men that end up abusers. Most women in relationships are not being abused, what sets those relationships/peoples behaviors apart? Nor abused into submission of being in a relationship with that man from the start Most men are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:48 PM

This is why I keep saying thers objectively good looks, personality traits etc and I'm tired of people saying its all subjective. No people who generally look good will have it easier than most average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:49 PM
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No I think women date men more prone to abuse. She could've said yes to a different guy or only decide to date a man with x preferences. She didnt. Abusive people focus more on the lack of control than other people (Another red flag to hone in on as the relationship progresses) SOME men get violent, most men are don't. Most men have stopped approaching women because they've been blanketed as rapists, creeps, violent mysogynists etc. So even the subsect of men that are willing to approach, usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:31 PM
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Yes they decide that based on your physical appearance which you can maximize and have the potential to turn out great, average or bad which is a cause of YOU doing something. Som You can get surgery You can hit the gym You can take up hair care skin care They decide that off of how you appear and thier motivation to keep you. The better you are the more motivated and reciprocal the woman will be. Your response is pointless as if women decide that off nothing at all. Even more idealistic traits …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 05:06 PM
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Just above the poverty line, so yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:57 PM
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Those men are single yet you claim abuse is a rampant issue. You don't need to be the MOST violent of men to be abusive or for people to be able to identify a likely abuser. To add you literally took a statistic and that simplified the cause as being all murderers are incels because men that murder are single? A better comparrison would be how many violent men are virgins? It is a mix of all of the factors, that male being susceptible to being an abuser, that woman ignoring red flags and warning…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 04:45 PM

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:08 PM

Damn sure right about that considering male vs female suicide rate. Anyway without me being rhetorical. Most women aren't truly alone and you should be aware you're in an even smaller minority than you think. Even you likely have friends or have been hugged for recently than your average man. Its easier for a man to be truly alone, as we are less likely to conform for friendship of just having people when we are desperate. Not just no romantic relationship, theres no friends, no family checking …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:13 PM
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You refuse to actual ask hard objective questions. You mention incel killing spree's most likely wouldn't have happened if we told him those that damn and bullied him for being a virgin are irrelevant and shallow and let him build up desperation in his head to be vengeful. How are abusive men, manipulative evil perfect chameleons that can pass by a womans great intuition and emotional intelligence? Abusive people usually feel a lack of control in thier lives before hand like amassing insecuritie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:59 AM
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I was trying to think of a way to say that womens choice of men leads to a lot of self imposed problems a mistake is a mistake but theres a certain point where it is self imposed in a fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me type of way. Its true for men too but inherently it is womens job to gatekeep themselves as its just not common practice for women to have to approach men to get the basic human interaction of dating. Even beyond socially, accountability is an adult experience...…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:31 AM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night. That still uses the metric of "that guy is good enough" its still take the best at hand in terms of physical looks even if a woman is desperate, leave the rest. Mamy women drunk and Horny go home frustrated because they couldn't find a guy good enough to keep her going
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:17 AM
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You either take what you can get. If a man coukd just get sex from a differentvwoman he'd do that. Usually its the exact same woman to woman depending only on how desirable that many actually is. Personality makes women consider you as someone they COULD be with it does not make them desperately want to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:11 AM
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Men can't withhold sex from women because most men are not desired by women, especially in that way. A chad is a guy with great genes and moderate work to his body, confident because he actually got positive reinforcement from women or others. They are the only ones that can withhold sex from women most likely won't. Another issue is how replacable most men are. Its a sad fact of male life and one of the biggest reasons for our suicide rate. There is always another guy willing to do what we won'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:08 AM
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Yes but the sex and attention will be great because she's actually invested and trying for you. I lovebomb but in a different-in my opinion harmless way, I just enjoy making women orgasm and have different perspectives about thier insecurities so they can stop worrying about them. As confident women claim to be I just don't see it and still see them living still with gripping insecurity. I dont use my john at all, just hands toys, dirty talk and maybe kinks and fetishes if they have them. Once t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:49 AM
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Being a decent man is not integral to getting a good relationship or a relationship at all. Bullies have almost no issue getting women, even decent women can build an attraction or interest in them. Usually those men look better on top of thier edgy personality. Women also more frequently will break up with a man or divorce him and claim he was too good or too nice for them. Its usually a cop out to the actual reason. Getting fit and fashion is true. More women than men are not attracted to thie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:43 AM
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I disagree that its cope, while neither outcome is guaranteed and men's fertility and virility do start to decline eventually. Perhaps the person is exaggeratting the age it begins but there you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:29 AM
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No because a man with a great career and a nice social circle is very easily seen as unexciting to boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:26 AM

She's a watering can I can tell
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 10:23 AM
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<image> The Pew is extremely well respected and one of the least biased sources for social statistics. Not to mention the statistics for LOOKING VS NON LOOKING (which is usually the point and argument of people that present these studies, are far from even. Meaning the reason for the singleness in men across the board isn't by choice, meaning 62% of the 34% of women left over that are single are not looking. Meanwhile 61% of the 63% of men are actively looking and failing As the rate of male vir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:38 PM
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The arguement of the statistic and male virginity rising is to show how much thingshave and are changing. You completely miss the point of men citing the study. Those men, age 30-49 did not have to deal with rampant online dating comparrisons or issues at all in comparrison to someone born into and immersed within it. They didnt have the same level of competition as they likely dated BEFORE social media was ever a thing, same with the women in thier age bracket. Those 30-49 year old could've had…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:27 PM
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Scroll up and read a few comments you don't shut your eyes to my guy. The statistic for 63% men single and 34% women single is still accurate for the age brackets of 18-29 this also backs up another claim women hate. That most women prefer older men despite huge age gaps. This statistic is also usually used to spur on the fact that male virginity is on the rise. Tripling in the last decade, while womens ALMOST doubled. It points out correlation between the two in that half of those are likely no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:11 PM

Yes, even if those men do pursue the more attractive they are or the more status the hold it also effects how easy the women make it for him
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:01 PM

Its because most men are not popular with women, they won't EVER get that confidence boost of a popular phase or women making obvious signals like they do for popular attractive men. If somehow women secretly desire more average men than they let on they should definitely show it. Some women will argue underneath this saying women have it the same way but no. You are at least desired for SOMETHING vs nothing and not being desired at all and are less replacable. If you just crave casual sex or wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 05:44 PM

You are both over simplifying and undersimplifying the dating process. The key is to remove pressure from the outcome, both for her and you for most of us average dudes. Safety and the ability to retreat relaxes woman a ton. What has worked for me is For any approach mainly warm don't hand out your number or social media until you decide to ask her out and leave it to her to reach out to you. When you give it to her, tell her you'd like to introduce yourself better and get to know her better or …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 05:32 PM

Thats a lie on the part about losing your social status. If a man doesn't know how to approach a woman/is inexperienced and is too nervous to read the room or she misinterpets his approach he can easily be labeled a creep and that can lead to many differenr reprocussions. Men aren't perfect at socializing, there is no guide to approaching women as you don't know that woman at all until you approach. Going the clean cut route "Hi names' x, you're wearing that hair so well(insert compliment here) …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 05:14 PM

Men either need a relationship or as many lays as they wouldve had in 1 good sexual relationship to be experienced enough to be wanted by or able to satisfy a number of women accounting for those women liking different things. Most men here are prudish, more than 10 men at 24 is too much even for more progressive men. Even if he can find it in himself to look past it its jot a positive thing or thing he'd like to be reminded of. Women have alot more ease of access to sex when they want it than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:57 PM
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Those women are also still women. I've encountered more women that want thugs than don't
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:34 PM
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If that were true, women wouldnt lust after thugs who look good and men that can and have to couch hop woman to woman wouldnt exist. And no that man doesnt need to have a huge age gap for her ro look down on him or have that perception of him. Most women don't have to mature in mindset/ who they date and have forethought until much later in life, most people apply what they hear other people experience/thier own onto others when taking a quick consideration. Which is all you get as a young dude …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:27 PM
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Women lust after men they look up to. Confidence is something women claim to want because so many of them actually lack confidence, many confuse being obnoxious with confidence. Thats why bullies almost have no issue with women ontop of usually looking better. Women are extremely judgemental though they'd have you believe otherwise. If you're younger than her its implied to her she is more mature emotionally, experienced and established than you. In other words most women don't think they need y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:17 PM

The reason I replied to this is. Most women have a subsect of men they haven't even given a chance to. Most men are NOT that picky. You can argue quality all you want or attraction. That begs the real questions, can people change who they're attracted to? If not they why should women who have a ho phase ever be trusted? If none of these men are quality men how can they just tell he's not quality? Because he's not successful in wooing you? Lets apply this further to women who only date a specific…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:12 PM
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Nah most men aren't but most men are ignorant to how little thier woman actually desires them vs a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:06 PM

You can only impress yourself in the bubble that society presented to you as "this is impressive". I do my own spiteful thing already. I give women the most I can, try to improve her perspective on her insecurities, bond with them, then I ghost them. Part of that is, they're going to lust after other men in the future anyway, I'm just cutting to the chase and removing myself so they can do it freely. The only spiteful thing is if the next man can compete with how I made her feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:05 PM
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I'm talking dating as a whole. All avenues of it but sure I'll try to humor you from here on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:01 PM

As a black man myself most would consider a nerd just because I wear glasses and sometimes grow out a nerdfro. Black women have never shown an inkling around me of ever being interested in me or other black men unless he had a thug-like attitude, was a plug, showed off the club/gang lifestyle or was extremely attractive like michael b jordan and other things that are at most neutral traits. So ironically as she seeks those memories the dudes that can immediately give them to her or that she lust…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 04:00 PM
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All confidence boosts are pathetic. Tell me what is your definition or example of a confidence boost
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:49 PM
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Sure not in person but online, social media, dating apps they likely are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:43 PM
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A relationship built on it however. Usually works out in that person will come back to rekindle or at least have you one last time. Proving your value and being a huge confidence boost. Sure you lose people how you get them. But this is all again assuming you get a person, a person willing or more idealing wanting to date you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:42 PM

This is what the blackpill grants release from. We are not all main characters, half of us will fail. You can only improve so much. I do encourage men to hit the gym and self improve but once you reach your limit thats it. It is entirely possible so slave away in the gym and end up with an objectively unattractive to average face still. Being average is a struggle as well as being unattractive. Your personality could be great and you'll have a ton of friends, only friends period. There will be n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:40 PM
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This is what I mean by attractive men have an entirely different experience with women. Lets stop to think how many of those complaining women slept with those men before they had to put in more than just interacting with her. For attractive men women will give first then demand efforr and interest later. As a non highly attractive man its from the very start and most will be stuck trying to prove his worth lol. Its just nature I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:33 PM

Most women have a hard time fathoming dying alone with no memories or experiences with others to look back on through the suffering you may have endured in your life. For many men especially with our suicide rate, the experience is, life sucks, you don't experience any desire for you and then you die as a workhorse just to enjoy your hobbies lol. It is extremely easy for a man to die alone in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:29 PM
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No the reasons matter a ton. Its like finding out someone is single because they are the most sexist man on the planet. Even if she doesnt currently have better men and is busy with college or work or family. She will make time for an attractive enough man sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:26 PM
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They're wanted for half of everything but thier looks but most women don't actively seek out these types of men. It also actually has a ton of downsides for a man. Your woman never being actually satisfied sexually, that love/want stopping based on how financially stable you are, your personality and hard work eventually if not immediately meaning fuck all in the face of what you lack. All of these are reasons for divorce. People are not perfect and cling more to lust than they ever will love.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:24 PM
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Exactly and they are preoccupied by other, more attractive men so they don't choose you. Doesn't mean they have a relationship or even a chance with those men, but they will hold out for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:12 PM
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No. actually suffices.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:10 PM
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Them humoring you is still a more positive experience than never getting even the illusion of intimacy or a date
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:58 PM
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I will believe it when less physically desired men are actually sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:57 PM
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For some men who still have main character syndrome yes. For most men a healthy middle ground is good if not a woman that won't desperately try to change you and most of your flaws don't hurt her or others in anyway. Most men have a good enough challenge in life already
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:52 PM

I can explain how well it translates due to opposing behavior. Men majorily have to lie or ommit thier sexual experience or not go around announcing thier viriginity. So long as they don't build it up too much they don't lose points by any means with most women. Thats why men lie more than women to get sex relationships etc. Its why players exist. Players would have less success if women weren't able to be convinced be has satisfied women before and can do it to her/is what she wants. Preselecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:52 PM
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They see an attractive man or a mildly attractive man and assume he's been successful at sleeping around. Sex is not that easy to get for men. Period. Its just attractive men get treated better and have an easier time doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:45 PM
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I don't deny alot of men are delusional with what level of woman they can get but even those women on "tier" (for lack of a better term) still act different and only truly desire a "chad" The men who do get them are stuck doing the same thing they would to get a more atrravtive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:42 PM
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Most men don't settle because they aren't popular to begin with. Hinge is a nutoriously good dating app but that doesn't factor in those dating apps considered bad as most are awful for average men. Nor does it factor in real life. Yes this goes to show exactly how ignorant women are to mens experiences, not to mention how MOST MEN she will encounter will not be attractive enough to her for that to be in her mind about them lol. Yes. In my experience. More average women are more desirable than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:04 PM
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Sorry my response is less aimed at you, more so at those scrolling/ observing. As rhey take your opinion into consiseration
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:57 PM
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Approach meaning. You directly ask them to a date. Half the time that glance/ one minute(his looks) its all thats required to spark an interest, make herself more available for the man and make it easier for him to progress or she overlooks his blunders/awkwardness. A handsome virgin does not remain a virgin for long that is why its so astounding or implied something is wrong with the person if they are good looking and fail romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:56 PM
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Women that go to the club or have casual sex usually do and that is not a small amount of women. You can try to argue against my point by bashing them or saying " why would you want a woman like that" or soem variation. Most men have the option of be alone or take what you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:52 PM
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For men getting a first date is a huge hurdle. Its like giving relationship advice to someone who has never had a partner and still doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:51 PM
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It all benefits you. Getting sex can make you better in a relationship. More confidence, more experience, less nervousness, pre selection from women working in your favor. Getting a relationship can make you more confident, better at sex, better at handling problems in the relationship or at least not unfamiliar with them. They both help you get the other because most women men will encounter do not desire virgins or inexperienced men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:49 PM
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Most approaches, be it cold or extremely warm, you get that one chance and there is no "in time " after that. Usually what makes your chances better or lowers that time is sheer raw attractiveness, some men do get that attraction in a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:46 PM
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Many people decide dates on a glance, or the difficulty of getting a date, can lower greatly at a glance. You didn't deny it but you are underplaying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:40 PM
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No, however I see ALOT of women dating and having sex within a friend group because its safe even if it is just one guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:38 PM
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A man desiring a woman is the gold standard as she can make him jump through hops to get it. A relationship, dates or give the intimacy she requires. Because so few men are actually desired men are more desperate and all or nothing. Many men think they have a chance with a few women in thier lifetime and aren't going to be swimming in women until they hit 60. Most men either walk away and get nothing for another set of years if ever or they take what theh can get. That is true for many men who h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:37 PM
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I agree, but the fact you're implying a woman should date or sleep around her friend group only pushes AFBB as truth within my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:23 PM
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Women are trained by society and themselves to not appear or be, (whichever) as shallow as men, for thier safety and to keep up appearances so to keep her self respect and safety she has to make rules for herself when interacting with men. "I'll feel more comfortable talking to him or being intimate with him after x" Women break these rules all the time, depending on how disarming the man is in terms of looks and charm sometimes due to her experiences and what evironment shes comfortable in. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:18 PM

Not reading all that but yes, thats why I want women desperately to stop sweeping the need for looks to the back nor how differently they treat men with good looks. Its not a bitter stance I just want men to adjust. Its negative for women because I have surmised that being a decent person was never integral to getting laid or getting a relationship and for the women who train themselves for it to be that it is surprisingly secondary. Im aware a few women on ppd can acknowledge this. Most women h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:10 PM
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That is still how YOU percieve us. Its still susceptible to the halo effect I fully understand. That was rhetorical. I gave the same answer in the response above. I was more so trying to imply how 1 can be gotten from the other and vice versa, due to how synonymous they are to eachother. Neither exempts them from as stated the halo effect or other biases based on physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:07 PM
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Half of men wouldn't date at all . You also pretend its easy to get a date or maintain that circle after a rejection within it. Many women also complain about men constantly popping up in thier social spheres that like them. Not jist how those men go about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:00 PM
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In terms of dating its women that determine if men are successful in dating majority of the time as only a minority of men are desired, lusted after and are the gold standard of what women want. The rest of us are slaves to if she says yes, what lies she tells herself and who shes comparing us to/she believes she can get. (Example: She only picks for virtues and personality while every single man has had to meet a looks requirement, blown it out the water or isn't actually virtious) And yes a li…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:45 AM
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Its not a matter of just asking questions. Some women share once they trust you enough, sometimes you find out through friends of her past. An old lover pops back up etc and you're trying to downplay it by saying "Teenage phase" no this goes on usually up until maybe 28 the earliest. It just depends on how enjoyable her clubbing life actually was.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:39 AM
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I guarantee you they don't look THAT bad. More than likely just bordering on not unattractive. Also most women are not like this. Especially not enough to want to date a man. Be friends sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:36 AM
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Women ATTEMPT to pick for virtious reasons, doesnt mean they end up doing so but from a young age they're taught and told its bad to be as shallow as men. How long that teaching sticks around varies. Like women would call themselves a shallow person or other derogatory terms/ make those terms from others true in thier own mind if they didn't "at least have a few conversations with him", its about self respect along side other benefits. Like attention or truly gauging if the guy is a danger or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:57 AM
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Its that in the same vein women try to give caveats to thier physical attraction as if its different than mens, that ultimately don't make them any different. An example is, his "vibe" how exactly is a vibe and a personality distinctly different that they can be used in the same sentence? Vibe is simply how your personality is percieved by a woman with what you've presented which can easily be skewed by how attracted she is to you and leads to her filling in the gaps of your personality herself …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:43 AM

Alot of rp content bashes non traditional women, granted usually for underlyingly wanting a traditional man, but it doesn't have neutral stance on progressive promiscious women. Taylorthefiend, freshandfit, @whatever podcast, crisha zed, man guide, better bachelor. All of these podcasts come off as prudish to me except for maybe CrishaZed. I have seen redpill content advocate for simply adapting and treating women how they treat themselves but Most of it still has a red pill rage vibe going on. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:33 AM

Alot of rp content bashes non traditional women, granted usually for underlyingly wanting a traditional man, but it doesn't have neutral stance on progressive promiscious women. Taylorthefiend, freshandfit, @whatever podcast, crisha zed, man guide, better bachelor. All of these podcasts come off as prudish to me except for maybe CrishaZed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:30 AM
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Only if thats consistently how she's acted. If a guy learns it took someone else a fraction of the time to get you interested in anything. A hobby, sex, a relationship its going to evoke those same feelings. No one wants to be a lukewarm patch when you had passion and drive for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:09 AM
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Holy shit a woman actually Empathizing with a guy trying to figure out what makes his dating woes. I may no longer be dead inside. Holy crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:06 AM
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Other men didn't. I almost guarantee a guy trying less hard for you than others you dated, you gave him a relationship, had a ONS with or let occupy your mind more, thats why it matters :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:03 AM
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Ok. Many women will outright physically touch a man in someway if she finds him attractive. Are you saying all your partners up until this point have felt the same to you or didnt evoke different feelings or different intensities?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 10:00 AM
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Attraction is likely to go on. If you are attractive lol. Women also have "is he a serial killer/mentally unstable" test. The serial killers who are attractive are the most successful. A woman will literally debate herself in her head or beat herself up if she rejects an actually attractive dude. The same isn't done for a middling average looking man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:58 AM
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How you look very much so incentivizes peoples want to converse with you. Even if its as simple as not viewing you as much of a threat. Literal serial killers benefit from this. Thats why looks can be described as Disarming. Abuse and manipulation is also more easily found in ugly males than attractive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:52 AM
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No they're just not that common under the female eye. Most average men are not attractive to most women, thats without mentioning below average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:47 AM
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Most women here argue against that point despite most anecdote, behaviours and statistics pointing to. Most women don't find most men physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:45 AM
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Not really, everyone likes attractive people and its not as subjective as you might think. Thats how being attractive works, having a majorily appealing features.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:44 AM
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Many women use vibe to substitute for looks and underestimate how much someones "vibe" they get are related to how the man looks
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:42 AM
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Its not just child care especially in the new generation of 28 and under women, many stop to party more often or try thier hand at being influencers, sugar babies. All depends on if their parents make enough to live comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:39 AM
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Half the men that woman slept with didnt have to have career ambition or actually be established. Half the time being generous the only thing that matters is if the guy is physically attractive. Thugged out dudes who couch hop get more action and attention from women than college educated men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:34 AM
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No. You can be annoyed but making things out to be worse than they actually are will just rile you up more. I suppose you enjoy that. Not all men that approach you are objectifying/sexualizing you. Your appearance is a factor/starting poing but most of them aren't just viewing you as a bang maid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:12 AM
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No one is arguing its not annoying. You had to bring that up to ignore my point. I'm just saying its not as evil as you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 09:30 PM
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Exactly thats why I'm saying asking is pointless the fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:58 PM
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Then its expected and removes that spontaneity and lessens the feeling of you actually consider her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:55 PM
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Depends on the flowers, are they in her color? Thats the real question you should be asking. The gift matters very little unless you're a beta male, it depends on who it comes from. If she's a rare girl thats into it then it depends WHY you gave it to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:50 PM
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Same thing happens because women are not that different or it simply ends a different way. Wasted time and likely wasted effort unless you didnt have to try that hard to get her in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:46 PM
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Exactly we've been arguing in circles. You can do all that and still fail and get called corny because women don't need that to be invested in a guy, all they need is for him to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:42 PM
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Exactly thats what this spontaneity is that I am talking about. Having to ask what she likes kills romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:34 PM
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The accuracy and how easily you may lose standing with her by doing so at all or how you do it. Women love spontaneity, it makes them feel relaxed and makes you appear smooth and considerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:18 PM
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I already posted that exact fact on other comments, I comment and scroll her between sets, or on my way to work. Most people don't because they don't have to, most people here struggle in dating are too afraid. Thats why i'm focused on revising my advicecand disuading unrealistic advice in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:12 PM
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I don't look for expert stories I look for people emotional venting, dating/divorce stories, marriage success stories, cheating stories, cheating forgiveness, female dating strategies, men and women getting blasted for controversial takes on dating/relationships. None of which to directly apply to my own life but to try and get into why these things happen and why the most successful people in dating just so happen to be attractive if personality matters so much. As just one example. That analog…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:58 PM

I am humoring peoples mindsets to show them how wrong they actually are and further emphasize the reprocussions of not attempting a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:47 PM
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I'll humor your argument If the algorithm has lots of said content thats only further proof its just a fact of life. It showing me what I want isnt the problem its the sheer volume of how much there is from people who don't benefit from showing it to me. I dont view pill podcasts I hate most of the red pill for its maincharacter syndrome thinking everyone can rise above. I simply look through womens and mens dating woes. You also assume I'm doom and gloom, a virgin and don't currently have a gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:40 PM
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Anything can be ruled as confirmation bias. Your own flair and stance that all pills are dumb is confirmation bias. Anything I give you WILL be confirmation bias. You're too selfrighteous to even consider other peoples experiences enmass. Let alone literal WOMEN who vent about thier husbands being found unfulfilling but not the pretty guy from thier past lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:16 PM
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I am actually one of the people already blackpilled/red pilled way before I read an article or even knew the terminology. Just observing how women treat men under different circumstances. I don't go based off of exceptions, I go based off what I am likely to encounter and the changes that occur along the way. Women follow online trends all the time, they also say they pick for virtues like personality etc but the guy they date usually has great physical features, those that are dating men withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:05 PM

Most men cannot bang a ton of women. Its just that the men women lust for and want to change have banged lots of women. You can't help who you're attracted to but too many women pretend they pick partners on virtues
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:57 PM

Ill scream it from the roof tops like I have been saying. Women want spontaneous sex not having to constantly work on it to get it to work for them. Any pressure on a woman that isnt exciting or her having to teach a man anything, is a turn off as she will no longer be relaxed. RELAXATION is key to getting a woman off. Theres also the fact not all guys have to do an hour of foreplay or sink time into dating her before she is "ready" lol I will also say many women have a reluctance to admit they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:55 PM
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Women who think about dating women for mainly non sexual reasons think women will be better than men though they're only comparing tgem to the men they chose to date. Women are proped up to both men and women to be more empathetic, emotionally intelligent etc basically all the things men stereotypically lack. So they view other women as a better option. Simple as that. My ex used to try to convince me if things didnt workout between us when she was trying to gauge my feelings, that she would pur…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:48 PM
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Completely ignored me telling you that things are not as simple as "I want this" "Gives it to you" boom romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:41 PM
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It can become pretty obvious once you get far enough along as well as this type of talk can happen in a friend group, should the guy lie, stretch the truth or be honest? On top of some guys don't have the look of they fuck due to how he dresses and/or his attitude. Even if the woman is wrong. Her perception of you is all that matters in how far she's willing to take things. Some virgins are more obvious than others beyond that you can tell by how he goes about talking to a chick and escalating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:03 PM
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Objectification often has to do with sexualization which is something that is frowned upon because its sexualizing an inappropriate person. A kid, a grandmother, a mother, your own family etc. How is sexualizing a random stranger only with the outcome being you approach them to get a date/get to know them objectification/sexualization. I understand a good chunk of men who do it are obnoxious and that has likely disuaded men who wouldnt be anywhere near as obnoxious from approaching women. It jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:04 AM
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Most guys are focused on being the guy to give her PIV orgasms because of porn and 2) because its a relatively rare accomplishment. Penis envy is rampant in men because theres alot of smoke and mirrors about how pragmatic women are about sexual comparrisons between partners and the guy that can give her PIV orgasms can just do both. The better you are the more you will stay in her mind. Instead of her living with regret of being with you trying to be virtious. Men are not wired to be ok with bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:48 AM
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Most guys are focused on being the guy to give her PIV orgasms because of porn and 2) because its a relatively rare accomplishment. Penis envy is rampant in men because theres alot of smoke and mirrors about how pragmatic women are about sexual comparrisons between partners and the guy that can give her PIV orgasms can just do both. Men are not wired to be ok with being second best or "good enough" neither are women yet most womens partners are not the best lay they've had all through thier life…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:40 AM
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Sometimes its take what you can get or end up alone or having no experience for the next relationship. Like a guy that leads with flowers on a first date will learn not to do that. Unless you think women are extremely into virgins pick them off the street and instantly turn them into a perfect partner. Heres the part you tell men to hold out for a rare woman. Even that rare woman likely craves a man to at least have some experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:28 AM
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Yescbut it takes time and sometimes failures, said failures may end your relationship because its not up to par with what she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:58 AM
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You getting to know her. I dom't know if you've actually ever talked to a human but people don't just provide infinitely updated lists of likes and dislikes that they have
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:12 AM
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Yes. Masochistic and pointless because it ends prematurely. If death was the only obstacle then it'd be understandable, it isnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:06 AM
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Lol, you are delusional. To take that from that. Im saying in the process of getting to know, many women will just think you're corny, lose respect for you and leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:03 AM
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I know why it feels objectifying. I also didnt ask if It did I asked if you ever considered seeing if the man approaching you is ACTUALLY objectifying you. If anything its up to you to not objectify yourself and not be a quick lay since all men want one thing and its disgusting, you have no idea how much effort or interest this man will put forward trying to actually have a conversation with you. Lets be real here, this is about your ego, you just don't want to have anything happen with a random…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:50 AM
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Im glad you finally understand women across the board want more established older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:35 AM
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To show consideration. Hey maybe she's not a flowers girl. Guess what I just found that out. Check that off the list if I ever try to plan a day around her. You could, ask a woman what she views as romantic she tells you then is unimpressed once you provide that to her. One of the keys of romance is the unexpectedness of how well you know your partner, and you have to learn what she doesn't like as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:33 AM
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Have you ever considered you build it up in your head more than what it actually is? Like is it not a problem that you immediately think ANY sexual interest is JUST sexual interest? Like istead of "this makes me feel objectified because men in the past only wanted me for my body or I know I have desirable traits" how about you focus on if the guy in question is ACTUALLY objectifying you and not your own paranoid magnified implications?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:28 AM
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All I hear from you is sex, are you pent up or something? But yes, the amount of womrn that craze sexual experience to feel more confident is greatly underestimated to. Or women that want an experienced man to take charge, and finally try out new things lol. Its an ugly truth but yes women are curious people too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:20 AM
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Im talking even general gestures. Let alone more intimate ones. Fucking flowers as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:18 AM
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Because being attracted to a stranger to the point it leads to interest is apparently not a valid reason to ever talk to a woman. Her saying they need a valid reason implies: She thinks a man cannot want to get to know a woman if he's physically attracted to her and all conversations translate to. "I WANT TO FUCK YOU BECAUSE I AM HORNY" none of her valid reasons for talking to her will ever lead to getting her phone number without benefit for her. Its never trying to see if this woman you're att…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:14 AM
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Some men are so desperate sometimes its just for attention and PDA, not most but some.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:06 AM
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True but most of that will get you called corny and be lost on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:04 AM
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I think its flipped on its head but overall the expectation of romance did originate from women In the past 40 or so years, men are the ones putting in romantic effort, irregardless if women expect it or not as you can't tell me now (they're mostly universal still) romantic gestures aren't seen as doing too much and men need to get more creative to be seen as anything really romantic. I think op is right as we do away with traditional dating over the past 40 years or so men have to also put in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:51 AM
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One of my least favorite female tropes is that if a woman does bad things she must be a victim manipulated by men. Too much absolution whenever there is an evil woman. Many villans fall to that trope but consistently and any time its a woman, there it is, example Harley Quinn, Cruela Deville off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:42 AM
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Not really, just making sure you and anyone who observes this comment know's you're rigid, ignorant and wrong. Trying to throw out anecdotal evidence that can be mirrored by a majority of men because you can't fathom young women wanting something
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:39 AM
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Most are not depicted as loveable goof balls especially in commercials, its usually matter of fact, incompetence setting up for a contrary save, saved by more handsome men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:29 AM
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And get divorced, break up, cheat, become widowed, raise children that isnt theirs, are just filler for the person x person actually loves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:26 AM
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No I am telling you how things are, women fantasizing about older men goes all the way to highschool. Not every woman you dislike is prostitute, lol. At the highschool age women love feeling grown. Resources and physical maturity that a man has does that for her, its different than what she has to work with around her. Anecdote from enough people is a statistic. You can try and cover up that the age gap was bigger. You sound like you're panicking. All the man has to be able to do is get her drin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 12:24 AM
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Doesn't change the fact misandry in media or even online is more widely accepted than mysogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:44 PM
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Thats just how casual sex is, they were treated likely the same way or were told to leave immediately following sex, maybe they have to be at work in the morning, have you asked them or told them they can stay? Maybe the sex wasn't good enough to warrant her wanting to stick around?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:37 PM
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They can believe it but in practice most dating is a waste of time as we overcome our instincts. Nothing 100% guaranteed is a waste of your time. You sound similar to a hoarder, sure you and others can attach value to the things you keep it doesn't change the fact that it is taking up space, maybe leads to unhealthy clutter and isn't a necessity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:33 PM
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You're still not getting it. Just because you want something doesn't mean its worth pursuing. Be it for an outcome or because of what that feeling is pushing you to do. I don't think either of us said all men agree its pointless. I certainly agree and so does he, idk why you keep bringing it up that not all men agree with us. What does thier desire actually accomplish? A child a family, a relationship? Outside of specific countries there is enough children, families get torn apart by divorce and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:18 PM
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Women are hornier in they're starved for quality sex/orgasms because they don't get that on a regular basis from most dudes apparently. Look into the orgasm gap. Apparently thats a thing. Men are more horny in general, more desperate and willing to sink lower in standards because sex is more satisfying for us more consistently than women. We orgasm i'm gonna say 99% of the time. I think they're being passive aggressive usually when they deny it. Like a "my partners don't get me horny enough or m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:12 PM

Anyway to answer more directly to that Satire sometimes logic is just "Sex and relationship good, want partner...man lonely...think about wife...regret" logic is still trapped by a bubble of what values are enstilled in you. Wanting a relationship comes from instinct to procreate, social media (as a status symbol) shows,loneliness parents either a single parent still dating or 2 parents having a relationship, seeing couples, hearing people refer to SO's a lot of things go into reinforcing instin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:01 PM

Logical doesn't nessecarily mean meticulous or intricate. Its just reasoning, intuition and repitition. Most men here did not just hear a belief once then jump on a bandwagon. Most people compare stories and experiences of others online and that they know to thier own, the frequency of it then move on to statistics. Media can show you what you want to see sure but that still doesn't dismiss that it can show you numerous cases that support your beliefs. That is why I think everything in life is m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:53 PM
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No you can want it, he said its pointless to actually pursue which realistically it is. Its like addiction. You can desperately need it but it doesn't ACTUALLY add anything in a grander scheme. Answer me this, why do women need men? They don't, meaning what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:44 PM
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Women only get more needy the better you look orthe more they want something for you. Most women do not hold thier bf in a high regard in terms of looks. Women act completely differwnt when in terms of looks they are either equal to or under the man.. To add to this women have an untamed main character syndrome because of womens body standards enforced on them or implied to them at a young age. So simply having a relationship makes it important or dramatic to them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:39 PM
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This is why connections/ friend circles and looks are everything. Women think you're desperate or a disgusting horny beast without a "valid" reason to conversate with her. You have even less reason to talk to her if you're not attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:32 PM

Most people do not think about things this deeply,they're just following thier instincts. The only issue is when they're too big for thier briches and overestimate whats actually attainable. This is true for red pill men and entitled womem
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:20 PM
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If the juice is a different juice than you were looking for all across the board then yes that juice he was looking for didnt exist. Applying logic to a semi logical emotionally charged arguement is almost as delusional. If you weren't still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:15 PM
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How do you build experience in a relationship FOR a relationship if you don't have experience prior? If experience attracts 95% of women how would a man with zero experience at least get a date? Not all women are patient in letting a man get better at sex, you either have it or you don't lets not pretend they're saints and aren't susceptible to instant gratification? I am self aware. Being a good decent person is not integral nor synonymous with getting women, even good women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:11 PM
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They are. Melissa Mcarthy, while I'm not a huge fan of her movies she at least sees success in terms of her acting career, The aunt from the 3rd Harry potter movie, heh Mrs Doubtfire. Women don't question if a male celeb or male they find attractive are taking steroids most men arent , they just care that he's hot, tons of men care if a womans body is natural and most women are and that she isn't obese. What warps body standards more? Most dads do not have a "dad bod" and women lie about what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 08:06 PM
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I don't give a fuck about looks. I care about an actual good storythat makes use of ttopes but isnt over clogged with them. Ironically a godzilla fan above anything else. In terms of super hero shit I hate when they take thier masks off and mainly enjoy comics/ comics with under utilized heros because they could do alot with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 06:42 PM
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They are either roided out or genetically blessed. Who has a crush on Danny Devito, or depicts him as competent lol. One of my points howvwe about male body standards of what is hot and what is not is not normally attainable unless you've been blessed with certain muscle insertions Chris Hemsworth, Jason Mamoa. Even lean men. Zac Effron another example. Roided out does not mean they look like arnold but have minimal difficulty maintaining muscle while being relatively lean and these examples are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:53 PM
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As a man you need experience of any kind that is what majority of women want. As someone that isnt as desired as the top men you likely have to take chances on what comes your way or whomever happens to say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:49 PM
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Synonymous claims,
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 02:47 PM
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I am uncertain if I'm disagreeing or agreeing but most of the time a girl is nice its because she just wants a friend or a general aquiantance that won't pursue her or sexualize her. Most women want general people/friends to not worry about the annoyance of being either compared or pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:50 PM
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Alot of mens individual value is decided by if they have a relationship or how many women they've bedded or if they even can. Shallow or not this is a fact for future partners, (most women you encounter will want someone with experience, sexual or just in relationships) people around you in your general status socially or people that make fun of you Most men consent to sex/ a relationship the moment they HAVE to approach women to get a relationship. How often do men HAVE to do that to start a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:39 PM

Sure but not average men. Its always a roided out dude being competent, also the same also wasn't really every popularized for women to be depicted that way outside of damsel in distress tropes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:30 PM

Sure but they won't be as desired or have as easy of a time as chad, simply due to how they were born. No amount of hard work will make you ever be that desirable . But by all means tell people to date until it ends in divorce, cheating etc. Its all but guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:08 PM

See you immediately use an example/number that only HELPS your point. Not actually meeting me on the level I proposed. I hate putting people on a scale but to humor you What of the 4/10 below man? Even a 2/10 woman won't actuslly desire him lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:05 PM

Sometimes it isnt your fault. Just because you get out there, does not suddenly make people want to be with or sleep with you. If anything you're wrapped up in main character syndrome unable to fathom the possibility that self improvement, isn't always a solution and won't work for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:03 PM

Women have bedded men that don't act like men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 12:00 PM

Most of a womans appeal is in looks, status and money/lifetstyle. You literally had to scrape the barrel to try give men options bordering on fetishist or a complete sexualiyy change. You may like to think it but you dont have to do the same for women. Not to mention women have no issue getting under horrible people in fact many women are attracted to those horrible people unless they are hideous. Thus again making them an average to below average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:59 AM

Women do approach desirable men they simply arent motivated to approach average to below average men due to looks. Chasing isnt power. You only get to stop when what you're pursuing stops. It will never stop intentionally for you, only good looking men. My apologies you havent witnessed this, it onky adds to my point to mention that at any point if she's interested enough a woman can approach or make lear to a man she wants him. They simply dont HAVE to do so to get interactions/options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:55 AM

I see the reality. Just because you refuse to admit you've been excommunicated from the dating pool and are forced to slave hours in the gym on self improvement doesnt mean others didnt have to work as hard as you for a better easier experience in dating Heres where you call me lazy. I do fasted fullbody workouts on a 9-5 job usually more. I'm not some procrastinator only doingb10-12 reps I go until muscular failure and focus on stretching/ callisthenics at least 1 of my days off. Over the past …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:52 AM

Just because you are out and about and the life of the party doesn't mean people want to date you or date you as much as a man does a woman. I typed this out on my way to my own store my guy, good try with the moms basement trope. Unable to think someone elses experience disproves your own. Even if I did harbor the want to not get up in the morning society would have cut me off itself. Any man unable to get a date has been excommunicated forcibly. Its not a choice, they just werent good enough. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:47 AM
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Due to the dichotomy of men desirable to women, most men don't have a pool of options. Options implying people have shown interest or have that interest in dating them. Not just just people the man can ask out. You imply most men have options or that its normal for men to have options in dating as if they aren't reliant on the woman saying yes to date let alone yes to sex. If it were that easy this sub reddit wouldnt exist and certain statistics wouldnt be a thing. Only 34% of women 18-29 being …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:09 AM
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Less men are desirable to women than women are to men. Unless you think average men compared to average women can just go out and get sex constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 11:04 AM
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Many women misconstrue being self centered with confidence, thats why most bullies have no issue with women along with other traits the misconstrue as confidence. Confidence makes women relaxed and look up to a man because though no one will admit it, most women have extremely low self esteem or behaviors that keep it low. Women try to change "assholes" all the time. Women find a beast thats violent or loud but considerate and gentle with them far more appealing it also adds to her worth in her …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:59 AM

Dating a woman heavily into Kpop emasculated me Brothers turn away, no hello kitty girl is worth it...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:46 AM
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Most women here still believe in love and hope, most men here I don't think they do. I am one of those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:44 AM
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Depends on how she acts during the vacation. If she's showing me things keeping me at least somewhat involved via text, maybe some video calls especially for an intimate time and pictures then I'd be far less inclined to think she cheated on me by the time she got back.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:43 AM

Yes as hypergamy is just a totem pole lol. There is always a richer, morr handsome man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:38 AM
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I just dont think the fact they do supports your narrative. As a 24 year old I've heard more women brag about having sugar daddies than you would ever think. I acknowledge they may be lying or the ones that agree may back them up to prop themselves up but younger women most definitely desire older men. If not for looks in a smaller age gap, then resources, or lifestyle. Hell celebrity crushes are also a part of this... Men are "obsessed" with this topic because most dudes in highschool can remem…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:37 AM

I don't even need to read your comments to know they view us as harmless nothings lol, you could be at the same level as a much older dude with a wife those women will still over look you. Younger women will too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:31 AM

They may be in relationships but they are not off the market lol. Cheating is a thing physical or emotional which most women dont consider emotional cheating when giving statistics. Not just that however part of that 30% i'd estimate 5% of that is women not looking for kids or a relationship, enjoying single life and sleeping around. So yeah good luck to the 60% of 18-29 year old men single somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:28 AM

Many commercials and shows depict men as incompetent idiots emotionally and physically just for a laugh, feminists have more of a platform than any mra if they even last on the platform. Mind you tiktok isnt american its the only reason comments from those men aren't deleted or lead to a ban. Misandry isnt even a commonly used word despite being openly accepted. A man points out any hypocrisy or fallacy in a womans world view or speaks about mens struggles he is a mysogynist, incel. Speaking of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:24 AM

This mgtow stuff is nothing but delusion. Just men excommunicated from dating then pretending its a choice. Here's a bitter fact for you a woman could take the same stance and get laid when she wants to on a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 10:15 AM
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You can follow your base instincts all you want, doesn't mean its worth it, is going to happen or that its realistic for everyone. Its not asexual to be able to observe, pursuing women isnt worth it, or women don't find me as sexually attractive as other men or at all
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:46 AM
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At that point is it even real? No its just game at that point. Blackpill talks about game/charisma to show what the red pill gets wrong and how it preys on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 09:43 AM
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Eh, I agree to an extent. In terms of friends sometimes that return is just friendship itself. Sadly that same expectation translates to romantic relationships. In a way in terms of people telling others that its whats inside that counts, nice guys getting rejected takes away from that in thier mind and its a harsh lesson that how nice you try to be in dating doesnt actually matter. I think nice guys are victims of themselves. Misplaced frustration. It shouldnt be at the person who rejected you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:47 PM
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Men are in competition with other men. Thats how biology works. Men compete for A woman or a decent one as highly attractive women not juat in body will have much higher standards. Women are in competition with other women over the best men she has access to. If she knows how to network on social media or uses a dating app thats a lot more men. Anyone not that will suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:13 PM
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Some of the first advice you recieve possibly from your mother or father is to " be nice" its a shallow definition of what they mean but it births entitlement in any kid that hears it. Not to mention the echo of that same advice online with little to no elaboration since the internet has been a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:57 PM
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Career. I Own my own business. Dating, too scared to do anything long term again. Gave 5 years of my life just to be dumped before I owned my own business. Trying to save my families home, paying thier medical bills etc. Her reason waa she wanted to spread her wings. The usual. Haven't heard from her since she texted me 10 days after she broke up with me saying she couldnt get me out of her head. Since then I do my best to fix alot of womems perspectives on themselves thier bodies etc. Then I gh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:46 PM
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" you weren't born with chad genetics so you should give up trying to be chad and you have a possibility of never having a girl" Is more the actual message.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:32 PM
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Most people who do that haven't given up or are old to the point they can't make a drastic change, they're upset that the black pill is thier reality and fully immerse themselves in this is thier fate in terms of dating and socially. The black pill only tells you to give up if your genes don't pay off when you do put in effort. Most of the blackpillers who do take themselves out have more blue pill and red pill in them than black pill. They wouldnt feel so distraught about being unlucky if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 08:28 PM
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Theres already a wall for men, educated or not. You either are better than certain males or you don't get a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:53 PM
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We can't understand eachother because we value different things, a man who's never had a girlfriend or a single positive female interaction isn't going to understand when women complain of being annoyed at having to sort out from the bin of men big or small they have to choose from. Vice versa, most women are not going to understand being completely invisible to the opposite sex or having to put in so much work only to have the bar keep being raised for you outside of MAYBE highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:48 PM
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This post is why I tell men to focus on thier looks, either make a decent amount of money while going to the gym and focus on grooming or make so much money you can take free time off to make a transformation. It is a completely different world for when a woman is actually atrracted to you. Men who are less deserving than you have had more women desire them than you. Hard work is bullshit in dating. Oh no a woman only stayed with you a short time because of looks, still gained experience and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:43 PM
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The worst thing you can do to a woman is bore her. Most women take bore as she's not emotionally invested or they just aren't prepared for how boring a relationship can get. Emotional manipulation or trauma gets her more invested than things being ok. Taken women are also the easiest women to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:27 PM
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Blackpill also preaches this. The black pill is only to give up if you don't have a pretty face by the time you finish working out and that game barely matters. But for those blackpillers that become attractive, the difference in how you're treated by women is night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:23 PM
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Ahkshully it only perpetuates rhe culture where only the top 10% of men are lusted after/pursued by women. Its a filter for women and also nature. Most womem who complain about being approached are not celibate monks lol, they will say yes if you look good enough and approach in the right way. If you don't how dare you think you are even on the same caliber. Women take that stuff very personally ontop of anmoyance like what type of men approach her, especially if she has something to compare him…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:19 PM
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The redpill convinces them tables are flipping and dating won't be shit for men in an "aha got ya moment" but its never true lol. People forget the key phrase " Life isnt fair" in moments like this and it hurts them. Those women will never have a single regret in thier life, there is too much support for women that thier worries will ever be actualized in thier own mind or valid to other women that they won't convince them "marriage and motherhood aren't everything" Or some desperate man will co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:12 PM
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Women will dismiss things as men ONLY want sex but tons of relationships start out with just sex, tons don't sure but the difference between a man and a woman is how often, how many oppurtunities, chances etc you will have to do so. Men know this and most men are not as callous as women make them out to be, most men are not ironclad in never considering dating the woman they just slept with. Usually he just doesnt want to be clingy or assumes she's used to/ok with it just being a ONS. For the av…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 12:00 PM
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One usually comes before the other, people treated like shit or neglected either use drugs/alchohol or become shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:31 AM
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You have it completely backwards men aren't even allowed to insinuate something is wrong with a woman on most online spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:25 AM
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I hate the term and overusage of Manifesting. But sure I'll enterain it. Physically, pretty face, light curves, can be chubby, just/must smell great, nothing above 7 in terms of body count and just at least a little adventerous in tbe bedroom or at least has things she hasn't tried, age 19 to 50 if we have to specify. Mentally, someone who almost always wants to include me, I'm thier favorite person to talk to about daily things (feelings, struggles insecurities, gossip etc) doesn't go out a ton…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:22 AM
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I feel like this will turn on its head. Women will rely on the AI for emotional support etc replacing men even further lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:03 AM
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Seeking advice from Ai will not be healthy in the future as it will become the new normal and as with everything on the internet, it will be in over abundance. Not only advice but relationships. The less we need eachother the less we interact. It will be good for a time and get worse as it grows.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 11:02 AM

Most men just get bots in thier dms. Then if you get any matches you have to be careful its not someone using you for a free meal etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:44 AM
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This is the point of the blackpill. Sometimes it isnt your fault and you get a bad hand to play. Dating as with being rich or well off is not a game we can all succeed at. Sometimes you just dont have the right tools for the job and its delusional and exacerbates pain to say you can accomplish anything with anything you're given.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:27 AM
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Pill ideologies in general are just experiences, statistics and what you observe. Some are forced there, some people just grow up with a certain mindset or are Naievely dropped there. Bluepill, some people have a mostly smooth life or are hopelessly hopeful and have that idealism reinforced by seeing people get relationships, or think relationships shouldnt be someones focus because the right person will just drop into your life if you're a good person, thinking people aren't as shallow or that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 10:22 AM
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Which is ironic as I feel this may combat obesity in men a little, men from a younger age will consider thier appearance more carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:59 PM
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Personality imo is just how you sell yourself/mostly looks. Women are very reluctant to admit looks will get them filling in the gaps in a mans personality and gets them more engaged with them. Or if ugly she may think they're not as capable as someone more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:17 PM
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Most men would be fine with someone chubby, not obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 08:56 AM
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Being single by choice is being single by choice. BUT alot of people coincidentally do it after they've been rejected numerpus times or have had awful relationship/dating experiences. So usually it just feels like a " you can't fire me, I quit" scenario in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:21 PM
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Its not as much as of like 2005, the religious community takes up a majority of slut shaming whilst also having the highest percentage of born again christian women ironically. In 2024 women can be everything. A promiscious moral mom that raises amazing children whilst also having her own career. I recommend reading a book called " The Ethical Slut" to really gaze where society is at in terms of all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:40 AM
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Eh, with understanding a huge bulk of people are still uncaring about it and eventually become numb to it even if exposed to non-high functioning people. One of my employees is a low functioning person, they got the job through a program. I guide her through 80% of what we do in a day the rest I can leave her to do it herself. I do so for her sake, the stores sake and my other employers sake. Most people who encounter her have 0 empathy for her when we get busy and I essentially have to try and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:34 AM
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I don't view men or women as an enemy they are just people that mostly make choices for themselves. Some of these to my detriment because of how I turned out genetically. The black pill is peace and pragmatism. You can try so hard and fail and in certain things its not your fault. You don't get to customize your most defining features, or control where you lose fat first on your body. All the other ideologies just try to point to "you didnt try hard enough" "your personality is garbage" "you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:14 PM

Dying content together. Being one of the people they want to see in the afterlife over any of thier past lovers (hypothetically)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:58 PM

Most of those women arent fucking NOW. Theres a small number of women that have never nor will ever sleep with a man unless its a long term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:53 PM
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A common saying is any reason you think to not date someone is a valid reason to not date them. It plays at self righteous autonomy within everyone. In your love life you can only make good and correct descisions. Which I agree with if you are fighting a reason to date or continue dating, that person wasnt enough for you. Instead I tell people to maximize the reasons people would want to date you, primarily looks that way when it inevitably fails because greed caused by social media exacerbates …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:49 PM
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There isnt that's why I tell men to focus on looks and money alone, you don't get either without developing a personality, discipline and guiding yourself which is emotional intellingence. Every one needs to maximize thier own reasons FOR someone wanting to date you. That way when it does fail because everyone just wants more more more more more, you can say you tried everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:44 PM
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Nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:38 PM

You can draw parrellels all you want one is still worst than the other. Simply because parellels exist doesn't outweight the other. By all means tell us what we should do because there are trade offs to being both men and women oh great fence rider. In online spacss you think you've stumbled upon some nuance, when in reality there are 2 reasons every issue is so extreme, intense and filled with vitriool its because its damned to discuss any of this in the real world and moat people have question…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:27 PM
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I already know that. That reason is why taken women are the easiest to take, contrast and envy is a womans biggest temptation. Communication is highly overrated and can take a woman out of the mood. You may get away with it if you do it smoothly
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:08 PM

They are that. The cost/benefit is usually emotional or sexual. If I didnt focus on emotional intelligence, destroy myself in the gym and put on my most positive mask. Simple as that i wouldnt have a girlfriend nor any woman looking at me over others that have shot thier shot. Im tired of going through the same explaination with people who shoukd understand. So yes you get a juvenille response.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:54 PM
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You last longer in her head if you build it on lust rather than love. There is no reason to even openly acknowledge certain flaws unless they're causing issues. Men dont get to say yes, we throw out the question through actions because most men are not pursued at all , most women only value how much you make her feel valued, or if shes just "following her feelings"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:51 PM

To deny AFBB is to deny physical attraction outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:42 PM

24, it is quite literally a competition because you cannot provide nothing and expect a relationship. The dating pool has limited spots, you either compete and have importance or you get nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:40 PM

Thanks for agreeing with me that men compete against a womans past present and future prospects. If you provide nothing or less than someone else which is synonymous in most human brains, you will be replaced by that person or someone wjo provides more. That is all dating and relationships are until you're both so old they canmot feasibly replace you or it would be shallow of them to try and do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:36 PM

Its provide something or have no one take interest in you. Individual things or things that compound on top of eachtoher. Looks, consideration, sex. It could be money, lifestyle, charm, humor etc. If you provide nothing as a man people will overlook or dismiss you, end of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:35 PM
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Perhaps all of his friends aren't better lovers. Also it is normal but She didnt ask for input either she just said he wasn't the best. Taking that at face value if she didnt say anything else, its not the worst thing to happen but very disheartening. If she hasnt communicated this to him first and gave him a fair chance at improving she shouldnt have said anything about it to her friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:32 PM
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The insight is on what people majorily feel and the consequences of someone feeling that like cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:57 PM

And that will become an issue if she ever feels she missed out on good sex because of social media, her friends love lives,or her past experiences/curiousity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:55 PM

It is, being a beta limits your access to sex because of how women view you. She may not give you access to sex as quality or as frequently as someone she clearly desires. If enough women do this throughout your life you won't get better at sex. She may also feel more relaxed with an "alpha" leading to him having an easier time making her climax or having her be more experimental/open with her own sexuality. How she acts towards/during sex may also lead to disfunctional problems within the man i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:53 PM
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Its very common in the space of online venting , hell the fact women think its normal to talk about your sex life is also evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:44 PM

Exactly. This happens in every AFBB situation, admitance or not. Thats why its an issue at all and many people try to paint it in a positive light and refuse to say yes as a human you may have sexual limitations, defects etc. Thier solution is to just get better at sex. Assuming you're having sex on a regular basis or your girlfriend views you sexually enough in an AFBB situation to guide you to improve. Alot of satisfying women in bed comes from how she views the man shes with. Or is everyone j…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:40 PM

People arguing against it think thier reasons are valid reasons as to why AFBB doesnt exist. This is proven by the fact you had to clarify we can't compromise on the fact that this is extremely common and the person I responded to only lamented in a way to paint it in a posiitve light.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:31 PM

Problems sure but lust wins in the end. Sometimes the problem is she thinks she loves him more than she actually does. You just used a small problem as an example of a big problem that will only get worse as they age lol. Alot of relationships is confirmatiom we're the best possible option for our partner. Usually relationships fall apart due to that lacking part. If its minor those are workable. Sex sometimes isnt. To back this up, part of the reason say yes to men interms of dating or evolving…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:22 PM
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Only if hes attractive. Women get played by men fR too often to be as emotionally intelligent as they are usually depicted as...no offense. An ugly dude who thinks he's gods gift to women is just seen as a creep
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:11 PM
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Counter point. Outrage over abortion laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:09 PM

If it were true she wouldnt have said it to the friend in the first place nor be comparing how good he is at sex. Objectively or subjectively. That means it lives rent free in her head while he had to put in time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:05 PM
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It is as most men don't operate on a you'll do basis, just the men most women are interested in have had more attractive partners or partners at all. For the men that do operate like that its never as big a gap in desire as you may think or he may have simply unpedestalized women. Men dont treat attractive vs less attractive women in relationships any different. You can only settle if you are desired. Outside of that its delusion. For those less attractive women men not pursuing the hottest wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 11:58 AM
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Desirable means attractive my guy if you want to argue semantics I can break it down for you. More men find that woman attractive enough to sleep with than women find average men attractive enough to sleep with. Another way to describe this is most women are not motivated purely by looks to date, or sleep e With because those men are not particularly attractive to them, not because women are virtious. The average men primarily are motivated by it openly. With womenthe need Nd importance of looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:05 AM
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Yes it very much so is its one of the most important pieces of desire and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 09:50 AM
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More men exponentially desire that woman than women desire an average man
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:52 AM
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Usually is as most average men are not what thier woman desires most.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:35 AM
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You make peoples short comings a crime. You have the same energy of telling homeless people to simply get a job. Sometimes things are simply out of your control. Especially genetics which very much so determines how enjoyable of a time we will have on this earth because yes, everyone is effected by the actions and thoughts of another.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:31 AM
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I am one of those guys who thinks things are impossible for the average man. When I say that my focus is on genuine desire from women. Sure they may have a girlfriend. A girlfriend who would act completely different for a chad. Simply knowing comparison is the thief of joy isnt enough to completely refute the evidence I've seen. Anecdotal, other peoples experiences and some statistics. Like ah yes seeing my coworkers swoon over a guy they saw and spoke to for a single minute is totally happening…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:28 AM
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Men have far less rules than women. The intensity of it simply isnt as high for the rules and standards men make. Mind you men are also openly bashed for having said rules/standards. They treat a woman different based on her past not how atrractive or unattractive she is lol. Most men who talk about how women make rules for attractive men simply observe it and take it as a rule that contrasts almost everything women say. You'll get some red pill rage but most guys once they see truth just accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 11:27 AM
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Men have far less rules than women. The intensity of it simply isnt as high for the rules and standards men make. Mind you men are also openly bashed for having said rules/standards. Most men who talk about how women make rules for attractive men simply observe it and take it as a rule that contrasts almost everything women say. You'll get some red pill rage but most guys once they see truth just accept it as fact too many women are reluctant to admit this they change the game based on how attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 11:20 AM
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Some times its about drive Sometimes its about power Make sure you stay hungry and devour. Put ij the work put in the hours Ao we can take whats ours
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 11:08 AM
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Its because those parents usually have regrets and have parent goggles on and misjudge how handsome and attractive thier son is. The attraction is implied b3cause uour parents don't think yiu look as other people view you. For alot of men you can get girls laughing be interesting end up as a just a friend because they don't find you physically attractive. Attractiveness is the only thing that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:58 AM

Majority of people break up and get divorced. 53% of young men are virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:53 AM
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Men don't lie that much to other men thats why we don't like eachother nor care too much or worse if they're strangers. When we do get true friendship, that really doesnt change even if we haven't talked in 2 years. Somehow you did the woman thing and made this all about you (women) when your own comment was saying men should be more supportive of men. More men support womens rights that women support mens rights and most men aren't going to say no to a law that would help women if you word it p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:40 PM
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When I do communicate properly. Not that I haven't been here all people do is dismiss facts or try and minimize them so if communicating in a non assertive manner does nothing what would you have me do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:59 AM
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Because you refuse to admit the severity of male issues, or even thier existence barring us from getting help we clearly need to satiate your own victim ego, or get retribution on generations that you didnt have anything to do with the gender roles that you hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:24 AM
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Womens issues are extremely well documented and states even move and act to fix them. So it makes male issues more valid when female issues are handled in this manner, most people do not care college is a female dominated area, they don't care that the male suicide rate is 3x that of womens. You seem like a transphobic feminist who think trans women ruin these spaces because they're "not real women"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:19 AM
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That only further highlights male loneliness. As typically the people damning them still view them as men unless they're passing in which there isnt usually any questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:12 AM
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Men can't walk outside and not feel afraid, most violent crimes are commited by men onto men. You're only at that work meeting if you are successful, you mind immediately doesnt consider men who aren't successful. That's performance preassure as if you aren't competent you're rejected and disrespected by everyone. Women have inate value men must earn thiers and you can easily fail at that. Be it you're someones son or just trying to be friends with someone. Men get paid more because they more ty…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 11:06 AM
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I just addressed that, thats what I mean by the intensity is implied through how short they have been a male, now they can try and imagine an entire life like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:57 AM
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Beyond that most detransitioners are FTM
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:34 PM
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You can especially since when passing they can easily highlight the difference. As men get ostracized on social standing or appearance alone, how many dads we're stopped in a park by someone who thinks they're kidnapping a child, how many people won't say hi to you or have conversation when they think you're a threat, they very much so have contrast, intensity is implied by how long they have been passing as male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:33 PM
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Alot end up short too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:24 PM
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Yes but one has alot more complaints and woes once passing FtM than the latter and I don't think thats a reason to ignore that. Its like ignoring starving countries because theres starvation in most countries. If people are willing to help and listen, then the true test is how they handle certain facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:24 PM
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Another thing to note is most detransitioners are FtM. There can be alot of reasons for this but the fulfillment and being worth it is always a motivator, be it in social fulfilment or physical fulfilment. Usually both, even many passing still detransitioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:20 PM
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My point exactly, while people want to debate mental faculties the proof is in the pudding. People will not stick to something if they dont get something out of it. If that is satisfaction then that proves which transition is more fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:16 PM
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You don't understand, relationships or the pursuit of one is less tiring than actively getting quality friends for men and each leads to the other. As they both take basically the same things, be funny, be interesting, be presentable, in both you do compete. Getting a girl (friend) that won't take advantage of you, getting male friends who won't totem pole you. All of that before highschool, now try and get that from scratch or at your workplace. You likely don't feel pressured to have a relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:14 PM
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Expanding on the percentage of privilege. I'd argue it is less that 50% for the average to below average man. I am well aware of the issue, most points in the privilge debate for men, women do not see as privilege but annoyances same for vice versa we all see that the other sex has what we crave, like having a staggering amount of options approach you, having people approach you, the ability to be openly emotional. I don't see many advantages of being male outside of we can have children for lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:01 PM
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No they dismiss the notion men feel isolated and that it isn't the mans own fault he is isolated like you just did. A handsome loner man likely doesnt struggle that much in dating, to not feel lonely is not that deep. Feeling lonely as a male is having no experiences to look back on or have the prospect of in the future. Lonely men would be fine or better off even if they had one night stands, at least they'd have memories to look back on and not the empty void of nonreciprocation/rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:46 PM
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Thats kind of the point of this post. People will argue there are yet most don't know of any, and there isnt much documentation for a passing mtf trans woman being lonely or sicially her life getting worse outside of politics and that only depends on the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:41 PM
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Sadly if we did that would take away alot of male ambition. Also no actually that would just mean most people start lying to your face about how you are and how they feel about you, men need to support other men more sure but not start acting like women. Most of the reason men don't is no one supports them the way women support other women except MAYBE thier parents. Sadly scarcity is the reason men are treated this way, too much competition to actually fully help another man. Not just in an "I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:34 PM
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Yes, that's why I think its a good example that males suffer, especially for persay a hardcore feminist who still thing all males are priviledged just for being male, whilst ignoring any female priviledge which is very common in my experiences, along with our self deletion rate being another example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:31 PM
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If they're passing which online spaces can be a work around for they talk about the struggles of getting positive attention usually, its not usually loneliness being the struggle for mtf
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:29 PM
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Mens workplace is very cut and dry, I know women view this as oppression and many men handle it poorly but they likely treat whatever men they don't like the work ethic of or who has failed in the past the exact same way. Especially men in authority. Not saying it isn't an awful feeling. Its difficult for us to listen to people we view as more emotional, that could be as simple as someone complaining once or expecting a large amount of empathy for the reasons they provide when something goes wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:25 PM
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I already statedthis. Men deal with having to be capable or lose thier standing/interest of other people, Women are approached nonstop and have to be desireable or lose that and deal with thier annoyance on never being left alone. I only say its easier because women have more support systems and more clarity on how men act. ANY discussion of how women act is immediately censored, colored as mysogynist etc. I empathize with everyones problems but as an example there is no unacceptable female comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 10:14 PM
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True there is a smokescreen of if theyre passing and societies general attitude towards trans people. However i would argue, most people people assume those that are transphobic or uphold that attitude, are believed fo be men not women, then we get into the whole debacle of feminism vs trans women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 09:43 PM
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Yes but fence riding and semantics seems the least likely to do anything on the male side of things in having women realize we have male only issues just as they have women only issues or different intensity in various issues. I see people mostly only trying to do things for women, not males. I'm not saying we can't tell oir problems in a calm non arguementative way but men mostly can't because other men think thier world views make them better or women tell you you're the problem no matter what…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 09:36 PM

To expound on this the only women that have to chose are women that crave a family. As she is on a limited time frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:52 AM
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Yes but that only matters if you think the women HAVE to grow to be successful in dating. Most don't have to or much less so than men For most women, being mildly fit and not openly crazy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:50 AM

They simply need that man to be as close to a celebrity as possible. That's like saying someone rich or well off has to be a celebrity. Thats why traveling is so almost always seen as a plus to women. Be a handsome man, have the money or connections and free time to travel frequently. The most usual example of people able to do this are celebrities and they are a celebrity for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:07 PM
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Ah yes she was just so friendly she went on to date and sleep with that attractive man over the less attractive one. Face it reactions are different if someone desires you vs if they don't. Clearly extremes exist but just like men women overlook red flags or even if they explicitly know what that toxic man is about will entertain him despite the difficulty in thier dating lives lying in filtering toxic men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 03:02 PM
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I am aware, most will not learn until the face a consequence big enough to actually change them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:06 PM

Wrong thst lust is actually attainable for most women, unlike most men who are not pictures of the female fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:05 PM
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It does but many women actually have an almost surprising ego.Most red pillers seem to believe it happens when the decline starts. Basically immediately between 30-35 It only happens until most mens lust for a woman runs out. Most 35+ year olds I see are not unfuckable especially if she takes care of herself or has a face that survived weight gain etc so realistically it is much later than those men expect. Anyway some women will still keep her high standards and double down because her worth is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:02 PM

I have an almost useless bachelor of science degree, oversaturated market at 24. In the mean time I own my own business, while being a general manager for a chain resturant. I'm actually a drop out fosterchild so I got an offer for my GED to be able to level it up to a normal diploma so I got started on college earlier, along side being offered to skip grades in the 2 private schools I attended as moved around ALOT, we didnt stay in the same city/state for more than 4-5 months at most as I grew …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 11:44 AM
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Yeah. I dont believe that either at least in terms of dating. I dont think people change in terms of lust and love that much nor that often. Other things sure, but too much is going against that person actually changing. Lust itself, good memories, societal pressures to be a certain way, the experience of getting to know/intimate with new people, relationship problems, unresolved trauma or feelings, ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:43 AM
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As the guy above stated that is part of the concept but the big belief is that when it comes time for her fertility to take a hard decline, the woman in question so all women will start clamoring for a man in desperate ways, like switching up toning down hoe activity, change the type of guy they date, start settling for guys they're not actually or barely attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:36 AM
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I didnt mean it to that extremity. I am sorry if I hurt you... Its true for men at the bottom as well. Many people point out on this subreddit that many men do end up "catching feelings" just as much as women, so while sex is rhe first interest theres a chance it may not be the last consideration of your person. I don't blame you for being selective especially if you were always that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:53 PM
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This is nothing but red pill delusion in my opinion. Part of me think itss hopeful jargon that men ever get thier chance to be desired and wanted that never becomes a thing. Too many redpill beliefs are centered in maincharacter syndromd where they have thier "aha gotcha moment and will suddenly be swimming in desire and pussy... I do however agree that it is much later into a womans lifetime(well past 36) if at all that she gets desperate and regrets any of her decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:48 PM
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Men you don't pick are usually the ones not pushing that on you. As you can see from the existence of this subreddit men also have that concern. Who do you think has more people desire, eant them around and want them. Women as a whole have less standards put on them for men to be interested, than men have on themselves for women to be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:41 PM
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Its not far fetched to learn about someone new's past and see they would never have accepted you in your past. That then leads to the issue of do they miss thier old self/lifestyle and will become someone that will reject you if you still have your old self.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:35 PM

The black pill isnt about blaming other people for your problems its cold hard truth. What people do with it is thier choice. Im not worried if the average man is happy. My thought process is have I seen an average woman happy in her life when she is paired with the average man. The answer is no she is usually disatisfied and ALWAYS looking for better. Even if shes paired up with a guy slightly above her or she's single. You assume all blackpillers are lazy homer simpson looking slob losers beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:34 PM
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I am happy for you. Normally I wouldnt even reply but for the sake of this debate, that is you having a bad experience. Other people won't have to stop being people and still have wonderful dating experiences just due to how they were born.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:02 PM
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Just having a gf and wife doesnt mean they desire you like they would people without those traits, will miss you if you broke up, or wouldn't easily move on. Not all but most are doomed to fail and be replaced without a second chance due to her desire for him being low. In comparrsion to how she would act for who she's actually attracted to. Also the blackpill argues many qualities, not just height, if you have a combination of a lack of these things it is truly over. It also is actually decentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:59 PM
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How is it cruel, they can look at life differently, proceed more confidently and actually be with men they desire or at least desire more than me and be truly happy. Im not saying you can't I'm saying the reason is usually out of desperation. Bad experiences, no one picking you or showing interest. Its the same for most mgtow who pretend they were of value to the dating market. Most people wouldnt have the need to decenter romantic relationships on thier priority list unless things are on extrem…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:47 PM
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Blackpill is more realistic than the redpill. That man an flail against everything set up against himvand really feed and suffer that Main Character syndrome. Or he can enjoy life no shackled to the need to have female approval which most of the red pill is still controlled by. Hope is what causes people the most suffering it means they will still try and not find a different solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:16 PM
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Its just as important for men to look great as it is for women but it is understated buried beneath blue pill advice like "be yourself" "try and find the right girl" that even many mens parents give them. I feel the numbers you gave are even higher than reported as women also emphasize, not wanting to appear insecure or not confident as they actually compete with eachother and tear eachother down more than many care to admit. In the same vein men are told silently that thier worth lies in what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:13 PM
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If you see love as how someone treats you, consideration is a way to treat people and show love, you weren't on thier radar because they didnt find you handsome enough to be on thier radar and get to know you, especially if you tried to be around this person and acknowledging they never would have been with you had they not been humbled by life, and likely this humbled version is not thier ideal version of themselves. Its like being inlove with that person as they work to become someone else. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:03 PM
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All of that because you are forced to. You know you wouldn't have a successful or fun time in dating so you had to find solice elsewhere. Others didnt HAVE to do that, others get to do both. My entire life revolves around helping and lifting people up, but someone refusing to realize reality is un-helpable. Masking yourself behind joy does not solve any of your actual problems. I don't care about dating as loyalty doesnt exist anymore. The only way I express love and get it out of my system is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:55 AM
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Tell that to a guy who looks like Danny Devito without the fame. Looks are only partially relative/subjective. Many quality women are repulsed by arrogance of flexing material goods and charisma does not guarantee a woman will want to be anythingmore but a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:38 AM
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Shallowness is also a part ofhumanity. You can't pick and choose good or bad then call it a whole, you must accept both. Looks can easily hold you back in life. You are either so delusional or so priviledged you have never witnessed the halo effect. Or been treated differently; negativelu simply due to how you look. Or if you have guess what? That is ALSO humanity at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:49 AM
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You can water it all you want doesn't mean others will think its any less shitty or up to par with other grass And yes you are exactly right the grass will always be greener somewhere else, so people will go somewhere else. Naturally in your attempt to be deep you ignore objectivity and set the bar so low for yourself you point about working hard to look better is completely moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:44 AM
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Women only date up. Either they fabricate parts of the dude they think are better thab you and THINK they're dating up or they actually date up and most of your memories together are lesser to her than her future with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:37 AM
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Not making up but they either have experienced or have seen enough experiences to be convinced that frustrating woman is thier future no matter how carefully they pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:20 AM
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Men desperately want to be wanted. An ex is just a reminder that you werent and maybe aren't deserving of another chance, men take thier status as thier worth and alot of men get so little attention from women they think they only have but 1 or a few chances. For women its hard for them to deny thier worth. What I mean is during issues of self esteem during a break up a man is almost sure of his negative worth a woman is second guessing herself. Add onto this how quickly one can actually get acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:18 AM
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Make up, women on average wear weight better than men as its ok for her to seem soft, reproducing is one of ultimate male goals that is extremely competitive, and remains so to this day, men have lower standards for sex and more desperation in general for intimacy as modern male friendship is more based on alot of other things but not intimacy. We dont need to know much about eachother to be friends, just so long as we haven't killed a baby as an example. Womens perogative is quality over quanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:11 AM
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Oh really? Why don't you morph your face to be better? Why dont you grow a bit taller? Just become a model and make easy money. Go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:02 AM
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6 packs but not handsome faces. You know features you cant actually change
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:57 AM
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It is shallow in comparrison to what women hide behind. Two different looking men could approach in the exact same way the more attractive one is the one actually getting the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:55 AM
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What you just said is insane, it ends the same way for men with physical short comings they can't make up for. If they get a woman she has minimal physical desire for him even if he tried to make up for it by being charismatic and positive too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:53 AM
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Yes but most men complaining are not moderately attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 01:45 AM
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I can admit that I am I am only on this subreddit trying not to be as insignifigant as I already am. Everyone is too scared to have flaws but to be perfect or flawless is to dehumanize yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:29 PM
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One of the funniest things about this is the internet spurred people onto not missing out on living life up. Most people only know that as sex, drugs, partying alchohol and expensive things. Missing out is the same as wanting to fit in. They clamored for it, they got it and now cannot quit it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:26 PM
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Men have to try thier options lest the end up alone
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:20 PM
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This is true. Anyone reading this just don't underestimate female libido. Most of the time she just hasnt met an attractive enough man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:18 PM
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The 1st is ridiculous but more so meant to show regret and emotional intention. The 2nd is not that unrealistic. All it takes is a husbands friend kept working out he didnt
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:11 PM
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Its not irrational, women care about the extreme ends of too big or too small and most crave whats in the middle to the higher end until they get experience of whatever gets them off consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:08 PM
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Its really not. Doing so completely dismisses that women ever physically cheat or fantasize about someone else in the act. I dont care that they do at the moment but that is exactly what those human moments end up as. Its a realistic situation i've honed in on that will happen to most people on this earth going both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 08:04 PM
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That is complete horse dukey, especially if those same women have slept with a man who had those characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:59 PM
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Unwanted ugly men be it they got dumped or never got picked is exactly what the red pill feeds on. It tells them if they just workout, work on being masculine, make money they can actually earn a womans attraction. The blue pill is the same way, but in a different flavor. If you have a great personality and be yourself you'll find the one. Or any parent that has told an ugly child they're not or that people will look deeper than surface level. Im not only talking about these spheres online, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:57 PM
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People are not that different from eachother especially when you get into the mix of friend groups. Sure when people do fall in love they fall for that complexity but you're going to tell me 90% of people or even 50% of people dating right now are in love with thier partner? Or that people can fall for you without any or minimal physical attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:51 PM
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Most women dont find body builder physiques attractive. Its too much and a walking inferiority complex along with It is also too far beyond appealing for most women. Also sure you may have your prefered body type but most of them will at least have a jawline and those men without jawlines will never be considered attractive. Like considering traits people cannot work on outside of surgery and must face the limits of that surgery is more than you know. What would you say to those people who posse…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:48 PM
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That is completely incorrect. Your subconscious is your kneejerk reaction, some emotions like guilt or your argument against said guilt are within your subconscious. Subsconscious thought isnt your personal beliefs but where you rely on those personal beliefs in your day to day activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:42 PM
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Thats my point. Ugly guys still think they have a chance/power in the relationship or aren't going to be constantly proving why she should stay with him and not someone close to him but more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:39 PM
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See at least you can be honest about it. Alot of women on dating advice sections of the internet cannot be honest about how needed it is to be handsome and physically attractive when pursuing any woman. I dont care that you have a bias. Its just willingess to admit the bias wouls save alot of men the effort and get them focused more on if what they want is actually attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:36 PM
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Im not applying it to my partner, I'm applying it to myself. I have had and seen too many experiences that imply someone is so dissatisfied by this secretly that they cheat or leave. I dont think I was mislead but I acknowledge many men probably interpreted the advice they recieve incorrectly because it isnt stated outright...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:21 PM
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It is common for women, they simply don't encounter many men that evoke that lust on a normal day to day basis. Its like the "phenomenon" of women crushing on celebrities, boy bands etc. They don't grow out of it its just someone different or if they don't have one in mind someone they haven't even met yet. Sure some women don't have those but that is still some, NOT most.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:16 PM
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No i actually agree but not on the extremity nor examples you have put forward. Its all in how those men that aren't "THE HERO" are treated, or observed by women around them in comparrison to other men. Sure being a hero may not exist, but being wanted by women damn sure do exist and sadly most of these ordinary men are damned to never be pursued like how they witnessed other men pursued. You may think thats only for celebrities but many men can recall in schooling alone how differently women ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 06:13 PM
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Alot of those same women will reject a guy with no muscles or money but end up giving the guy with those things coincidentally a chance? Also I notice you left out a handsome face.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:42 PM
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Thank you for a reasonable take, I'm just tired of people/dating advise under specifying the need to be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:40 PM
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Lust gives you chances to rekindle broken relationships, an easier time or more chances to find that deep connection with various other people versus not and never getting a chance or only having 1 or 2
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:38 PM
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Yeah sure but on a deeper level if given the chance now or back in the past how many would choose thier partner over a more handsome version of thier partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:35 PM
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Plenty of women, while they don't form lines, they certainly are willing to sleep with them and ask those questions later if they even care. Be it a one night stand or a relationship. Bullies, criminals, etc have no issue getting women and no not all of these women are awful people. Dating issues are usually an emotional issue but people just want the truth. Too many people understate the importance of being attractive and place the blame on the mans personality,ethics, hobbies etc. Men have alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:32 PM
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Finesse but not truth. Also no most men wish they were wrong. Most of those men that are aggressive have never heard the truth, discovered it too late or discovered it the hard way. Women care just as much about looks as men and the dynamic of who approaches who makes looks matter even more because they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:26 PM
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Then you are rare. That is why you felt the need to fit in back then because everyone else thinks that way. Because its rare, my question more so is supposed to make people aware that its an understated truth and shunned dating advice men don't recieve because most people view women as being able to be won over by personality and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:21 PM
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Good but its an understated fact for women or mens woes during dating. You have to be lusted after to get a date. Which is guaranteed if you are attractive yet this is the last thing people mention or recommend trying to accomplish.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:16 PM
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Exactly. But why is this not noteworthy with people who get rejected or have a personality good enough to be someones friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:14 PM
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Mostly but no and its fine if you aren't but too many people flip flop on this on a whim and sweep under the rug the physical aspect that brought them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:12 PM
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It is a sad fact but many guys are fine dating who likes them and most relationship insecurities revolve around if your partner actually likes you. It may not be universal but it increases your chances exponentially.Lets say everyone on this planet is guaranteed a generous 20% chance of someone dating them. Could be just for fun. Being attractive gives you low balling a 40% increase on someone wanting to date you, and for them to want something long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:10 PM
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No that will get you friendzoned.I barely believe in the friendzone but Just being funny, teasing her and having good body language does not mean shes attracted enough to go on a date. You have to have looks to have her view you that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:04 PM
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Im tired of it being an understated truth that most women are mainly influenced by the looks of thier partner just like men as though women look super deeply into a mans personality on especially a cold approach or first time meeting. This refusal for most women to admit the man who approaches or they're with must first be handsome and meet other physical criteria feeds that black and white thinking and it is understated in all dating advice. Even IF a woman is more open to body types or she onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:01 PM
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Its not it is simply an understated truth. In alot of topics people will pretend women just are incapable not considering a mans personality or that it isnt as frequent that they are motivated just like me by the looks of potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 04:53 PM
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And that is completely fine, thank you for not being self righteous like other people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 04:48 PM
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We cling to this because it is too understated but you gave a great reply. Most people redirect the issue to our personality that they gleemed through a few posts online. As if people wear the stuff they Anonymously post about on reddit on thier forehead or even that the questions and opinions are straight from the devil.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 04:46 PM
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Thought flairing blackpill was a ban?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:09 PM
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Based. Its well established men are effected by thier subconscious/instinct but the implications women are is shunned too much
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:06 PM
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Sure but that will get you a date at least a chance before the first interaction to show yourself. Unlike being middling or unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:00 PM
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Blue pill still puts the emphasis on being your best you. They lean more to the personality side than Red pill leans more to the masculinity side/built body side. In the end its all the same, both thinking you can change your standing. Im pragmatic so I believe the red pill side more but even that has delusions and is full of main character syndrome. That other qualities besides physical attractiveness matter
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:17 PM
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I have however Danny Devito is getting less yes's than Henry Cavil and most of the time a woman even gives you the time of day or interest to KNOW your personality is due to your face. This goes for cold or a warm approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:13 PM
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Its the blue pilled part of the red pill thinking everyman can earn a womans attraction by being masculine etc. It doesnt work that way and is just an idealized way to sell hope and courses to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:41 PM
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Her looking down on you comes much later if you're attractive and end up getting in a relationship with her. Most women assume men are dumb if they don't talk much but she won't mind for a time if he's attractive physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:39 PM
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Ok. The sample size is still way smaller than straight marriages so I dont think this gives the best arguement. I myself have never been partial to one side or the other. Id personally add in the amount same sex people break up as well not just marriage and divorce. Im also rather confused why you replied to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:18 PM
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Fourth
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:10 PM
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While I do find the lesbian divorce rate hilarious theres a lower nunber of them. Meaning the sample sizes aren't even. Meaning theres more room for error. Like thier 50% is maybe at most 100,000 people whilst the straight divorce rate 50% is millions of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 11:16 AM
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The only value I provide is I give good actual feasible advice of all sorts because I have had to and I still am micromanaging almost everything in my life. Most people think they know better or don't need it I can also have fun in almost any scenario and I don't nessecarily need a drink to do it. I also think I can fuck pretty good. The only positive attention I get from women is after that or we sexted to get things going.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 11:06 AM
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Eh relative sure but there are general things that are highly valued. Looks almost universally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:58 AM
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Its because OP either is or has seen too many men on the recieving end of breakups or hasnt been in a relationship where he has a say in it. Its very common for men to feel powerless or unvalued in relationships as they don't openly recieve female attention. So for many men they view it as thier one chance or one of the few chances they'll get of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:56 AM
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"High value men" along side other women are what dictate beauty standards for women. Women only care about the men they lust for+confirmation bias due to the halo effect. As stated several times you get treated better the better you look, however many women think men prefer women that get surgical enhancements BBL but can't name most of what a man actually is physically attracted to. (Its usually minimalist beauty, with as little make up as possible, a nice face a decent curves.) Women will perf…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:51 AM
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I have grown to fucking loathe people in general. Im so tired of hearing people say they're surprised by how funny I am. I believe every woman is chad only, I also view maximizing my chances as nothing but a looks based game, my personality was never bad but is now more openly becoming trash as I feel the contrast of how people treat me different because I look better. I usually try to be kind to strangers but to people I know I'm nice and funny, give life advice then ghost them or treat them li…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:41 AM
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You hear that boys get that time machine. This comment actually perfectly sums up why dudes even visit pages like this, most have been ejected from the dating pool and have to essentially apply for a job with 10 years experience when they have 1 or none.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:19 AM
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Im aware words have multiple meanings, I'm simply expanding on the actual application of hypergamy as it isnt as innocent as women want to date up especially since your argument against trad women is money centric. Most men don't have a mistress when they cheat, most cheat for more not better nor with the intention of replacing thier women. For most women finding a good enough replacement for thier current boyfriend or husband is the goal. Women usually won't cheat until they find someone better…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:05 AM
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Im saying women have no issue dating a man they're not attracted to. That doesn't mean they want him. A man having good to great human qualities barely matters, all that matters is if she finds you attractive. The good to great qualities with a below average face and an average to below average body will just put you in the friendzone, someone she can trust and rely on but not someone she lusts after at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:29 AM
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Its true mostly all around the board. Quiet unpopular people who are single usually have the biggest want for love. Hence the redpills obssession with "The Wall" as women dont begin to feel nearly as lonely as men until 30+
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:25 AM
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You are ignorant to how much women want now. They need you to be skilled enough at sex to get them off from the first encounter. If you have a one night stand and can accomplish that many women will chase after you. Ontop of this you need to be physically attractive, the funniest in the room, and have enough money to give her what she wants off social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:22 AM
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If its just women dating up it wouldnt need a term like Hypergamy, its her Dating up callously just looking for better. Usually cheating for it. Im not arguing its not cheating, Its not JUST CHEATING. The reason she cheated is linked to hypergamy as not all cheating inherently leads to a child. It is deeper than what you presented. You're just trying to minimize the point I made.Unless you think women want children from men they just want to fuck which goes against what you previously stated. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 07:41 PM
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You can rename it to cheating all you want. That child isnt the womans responsibility like it is a mans when a spouse steps out on you. The dial for female sexual scrutiny has been dialed back from 10'000 to 2500 whilst mens remained at 8000 but is now turned up to 10000 because feminists use statistics against fucking babies. What you want to punish at least the next 2 generations of men for something they didnt even partake in? There are so few traditional women your arguement is almost hypocr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 07:09 PM
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Many women in attempts to be better than nature intended for all of us, will attempt to be attracted to other qualities in a man than his face/body but those usually fall through and once they're done they're done, no hook ups no missing that physical intimacy. Let me correct you, women would rather be single than get ATTACHED to a man she isnt attracted to, adding to this,a woman can date easily without being attached to a man for fun. You also disregard how much women try to change the men the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:55 PM
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Some guys don't even get to experience that, some guys are surrounded by women who only want to have guys above them, or he works on his body but still has an ugly face so no woman is interested in him outside of being friends. Sometimes low selfesteem is right
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:44 PM
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Yes I dirty talk my partner about thier reactions while they watch and what they may like, an example a scene involving light choking or restraints while I start to do the same while we explore what works for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:37 PM
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Absence makes the heart grow fonder, hence loneliness. Simply because they may be bad at it or have little experience doesnt mean they don't love that person anyless and suggesting the opposite is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 06:29 PM
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Apologies Jaded said that not me. Having a man raise a kid he thinks is his but isnt should very much so be a crime despite it not being a recognized one. Its an evil tactic many women have gotten away with. Paternity fraud is a nearly completely onesided crime, the times it isnt is not due to the choices of the father. I'll state my point again, female sexuality is rarely scrutenized without reprecussion, male sexuality is openly. Why don't you admit you think every man is a violent frothing ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 03:46 AM
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No one equated women to animals, I'm simply saying they are more inclined to act on instinctthan men because of the sexual revolution of feminism and its not mainstream nor acceptabke to demonize female sexuality like it is men. They are different in thier honesty. That is a difference you are desperately trying to sweep under the rug. Without slut shaming thier sexuality still wouldnt be even in the same ball park of being shamed as mens. Instinct doesnt mean you don't think about what you do. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 02:45 AM
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You completely misunderstood what I said and also what? Im saying most men don't get to just pick a woman they want to be with, women pick who they date men have to sell themselves either passively or actively by trying game or approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:48 AM
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I don't I wish I was born an attractive man and didnt have to slave away in the gym
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:45 AM
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Nothing. I've used porn to get women off while in the act so I cant really damn them. I think porn causes most issues reguarding penis envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:44 AM
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Im serious, it also didnt help she was the type to act all odd then, get all bashful and "admit" the guys that walked by were cute when I asked what she was smiling about. I was dumb enough to think i was being secure and confident by not letting this openly phase me and talk myself out of these feelings in my head she just wanted me riled up and to have a chip on my shoulder in our sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:42 AM
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There is no picking other choices I said they wanted to be friends
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:08 AM
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Instinct but most men arent lying to themselves or others when they chase it, its a well known expectation that men are instintious pigs. Unlike women who hide it and refuse to admit how they pick is more shallow than they let on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:08 AM
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Taking things too literal, also doesnt mean she's attached to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:03 AM
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They have more capacity for it than women, due to not being desired and loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 12:02 AM
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You say that like they get a pick of the liter. If you ever have a chance with a woman is decided by 3 phrases Yes. No. I am seeing someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:09 PM
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Yes which is a fuck ton of men. Most men you meet or pass on the street get zero attention from women unless they constantly approach be it warm or cold. If the one girl he actually gets to agree to date is rotten that's all he's getting unless he cheats because of preseldction. I've had more than one, but the worst of which emasculated me to the core, back when I was ugly or uglier than current. She would openly watch thirst trap tiktoks, talk about exes and compare me to them both positively a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 08:08 PM
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I just passively exist and observe and make things fun. Most want to be friends/have me around it seems and I have met exceptions but those are exceptions not the majority nor is it the majority message put out online for women. I have never pursued a woman first in the relationships i've had. At first I was too ugly, now it just isnt worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:58 PM
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She likely was the only woman that gave him attention or a chance. Not that he isnt a pathetic fool but dating for alot of men is all or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:54 PM
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The more women I met the more they prove it without me even saying anything. You have clue how many women love sharing secrets with me. I judge them silently but I keep those secrets nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:53 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night, just remember how many women forget to mention thier boyfriend is 6ft+ has a 6 pack and then go on to describe his "personality" as if none of that was even a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:50 PM
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Some women are all of those things, most women are half of those things. Money branching then settle for a beta. Not all are money obsessed or only fuck chads in an attempt to be unique,different or better than other women. The issue is how easily a woman can want to be those things by the values around her or friends family etc. Irregardless of your bond with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:45 PM
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Eh most are or can be convinced to be that woman by social media, friends family and her own narrative and correction the men being picked love that. Half of men are completely invisible and a non competitor to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:43 PM
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Yeah, as I said i'm just explaining the thought proccess. However most maturity comes from mistakes your own or being able to learn from other peoples and actually listening to cautionary tales. Most people will not do the latter. Also being shallow means there AREN'T Other things you care about. We can be upset these women now want to use us for different things but its not shallow, its predictable and disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:40 PM
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Yes, if they were psychopaths they woukdn't struggle as much with women as they do lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:36 PM
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Theres evidence for those beliefs, I'm not angry but I resign it as just a womans perogative and nature to seek the best and these are the actions most take to find it. Being hypergamous, monkey branching, and not fucking anyone that she deems insulting to her caliber are all just actions a woman will take as she follows her feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:36 PM
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Yep and women love psychopaths because they have charisma and are exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:13 PM
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You're right they do because getting old is ALSO thier future, no matter how good a woman looks despite her age a younger woman has to try less to do so and has other benefits, so they need to "manifest" what they want as thier future. They will be those old women eventually and dont know if the men they have at that time will leave them. Most people who arent applicable to scrutenized behavior are not actually offended, they more so fear being percieved as that or it means they can't do somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:13 PM
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Easily. I'm red pill but I just think most "negative" actions a woman takes simply to be in her nature in pursuit of the best. Of course it can cause me frustration but I dont think thier actions are ever negative for the woman in question and I don't think its desrving of ire. I simply think men find a work around and adapt. If most women pick men who don't have to be decent to them by extention I dont encourage men to be decent to women. Its not a trait that is actually needed by a woman for h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 07:06 PM
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Thats why most young women avoid responsibility and take on the attitude of living up thier life. Because most men they truly lust for aren't the best for rhem interms of lifestyle. Even worse if they want kids in the future. Anyway there is evidence to back up that a bond can overcome lust but also vice-versa. Every relationship is a risk or probability based unless you can stay level headed and vet people which is what most dating debates ultimately come down to, how you should vet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:36 PM
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Also staying in a bad relationship isnt jsut staying in a bad relationship. The people usually entangled in it see hope of it getting better. You seem woefully naive of what actually goes down in good and bad relationships as most people involved never compartmentalize it too good and bad. Its just thier relationship and theres parts they like and dislike about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:34 PM
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Women are incapable of romantically loving men they aren't attracted to they also cannot love men who do nothing for them. Its not hateful its fact. Most men are stuck trying to convince women to take interest because he wasn't born attractive enough to catch her eye off from the get go. I find dating kind of pathetic and exacerbant for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:31 PM
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You're preaching to the Chior here, I'm simply explaining thier hope based and optimistic thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:28 PM
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Be picky and end up alone until you die or take what little interest and attention women give you even if you improve? Men don't pick bad situations in thier own mind. Loneliness makes them pick situationsto be in at all. You either have something or nothing in life as a man, especially if you end up looking like Danny Devito only famous and got kids because people enjoyed laughing at him. Men across the board are trying to inprove at the veey least if not thier personality which may be basic th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:26 PM
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There is a chance that your bond eclipses that lust especially if you yourself are atrractive enough physically to compete with those men. I dont buy it but thats the thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 06:11 PM
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Because women assume they all grow past lusting after attractive men and become less shallow
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:49 PM
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Its not wicked but it is comedically tragic if those men end up using, leaving cheating, or isnt what he shaped up to be. So her choices are funny, usually hypocritical and deserving of Ire. Most men here have seen a woman complain but not pick diifferent. Men pick different in terms of behavior, attitude mindset, put in the work and still get friendzoned most of the time or rejected they change edit, improve aspects of thier personality to be picked. Lots of men who put in these positive change…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:41 PM
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Contentment is happiness most people are just blinded pursuing an emotion that is always fleeting and always running. Most dont even know what happiness actually is. Its contentment, but they can't be content until they have the things society says they should want. It only varies amongst people based on what is reinforced or what is reflected in thier little bubble. Like most people who love rap and hip hop find some odd value on chains, cars, women while religious people don't. The person who …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:21 PM
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Ironically most men are met with the opposite. In large swaths on ANY other platform. Women imply theres something wrong with the man BECAUSE he didnt get picked (work on your personality, or various other implications of fault upon any man who dare complains about not being successful in dating). Most women feel this way as evidenced by the fact they prefer experience and demonstrate pre selection. Popularity didn't matter that much to men until it mattered to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:17 PM
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Apologies when OP says hostility my mind isnt just on the most extreme violent forms. Its also on the fact that women and other men damn ANY reaction a man has to being rejected. Be it him giving up, complaining online, or persistence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:09 PM
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Even if these men pursue these beautiful women doesnt mean they're getting selected for a date even before simping became popular. Most women didnt hold out for a 7+/10 man like they do now, they had to take chances on thier social cicle or form a new one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:05 PM
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It happens all the time in commercials, shows, social media, personal beliefs, feminism, any time a dad is stopped in a park thought to have kidnapped his own baby. Sure men majorily commit crime but most men are not criminals nor violent criminals yet we have people without reprocussion saying, we're rapists out the womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:00 PM
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Yes thats why the blackpill exists, is it worth it to hurt yourself over and over? Do you actually have the tools to succeed or should you give up romantically. The thing people dont get about the black pill is those who give up usually the want of romance and intimacy was a big want in thier life sometimes a need if they've never experienced it. Those offended by its beliefs also have love as a huge goal in thier life they're offended to the thought its unattainable for them and thier effort gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:52 PM
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Everyone is entitled to the human experience if the fallacy that we're all created equal is true. Which it isnt. Its the biggest lie anyone has ever told. Some people are simply born right and will be able to create memories they'll be able to cherish, while those born wrong must watch from the sidelines and be side characters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:48 PM
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If the rejection happens that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:46 PM
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Men aren't desired nor sought after by most women. You either manipulate (have gamel) to get what people simply born more desirable than you get or you get nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:45 PM
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You can't enable a civilization to charge you for food when you are starving and they have a monopoly on food. Tragically most men work on a what they can get mindset, thats the nature of rejection. Women rarely face rejection with the stakes being they never experience intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:44 PM
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Most women don't consider if a man is mentally stable or not lol and those that do will look past it if he's attractive enough or won't be able to tell from just that brief encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:40 PM
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Most men are suckers for them because of male desperation, because people refuse to be truthful with how vain women can be and until people stop spouting "just me nice to her" women will always have the edge because they're desired and most men are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:39 PM
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The entirety of mens lives is this The OP is struggling to comprehend this is already a thing but for relationships and only for the most desirable men. Most of what drives a womans actions towards men is actually far more lust filled than what people care to admit. The way a woman might act around Danny Devito or current day Brendan fraiser isn't the same way they'd react for Henry Cavil, Chris Hemsworth. Hell you can even compare him to somone less on the extremes of the ugly/desirable scale, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:37 PM
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Even for attractive men they still have to work for it/put on a show, most dont realize thier best bet is being as silent as possible and cutting to the chase/being direct because men as a whole second guess womens approach. Be that fear of being robbed, coming off as a creep or not having experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:32 PM
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Men majorily are not actively pursued. Women get offered, asked out and hit on, men rarely do. Most Men have to work to get any female attention. Most women are simply born with guaranteed getting male attention even if she has some undesirable traits. Men exhibit self control by working for intimacy or go his entire life without it, women have to sort through it to get the intimacy they desire for those women less blessed they are simply living as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:25 PM
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Most guys who put women in the friendzone have probably slept with them, women mostly dont though I dont thibk her asking you to be her friend rules you guys out from sleeping together. Unless its a legit friendship where money is mostly not involved women use and CAN use guy friends far more than men use women. Men who put girls in the friendzone are ironically usually in a relationship with said girls just with very little commitment or none.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:24 PM
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Black pill and possibly what you gather from the red pills teachings teaches some of that. The red pill feeds on main character syndrome where you can achieve anything if you just try hard enough. Im more pragmatic that the solutions and prescription it provides usually only provides the illusion of most of those things. I believe the only thing that matters is looks though I wish I was wrong. The red pill thinks you can make a woman jealous or regretful by leveling up, but she likely already ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:16 PM
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Sex is not the same for most men as it is for women. For men its an accomplishment as most arent sought after nor physically someone a woman fantasizes about. When men gain experience in sex they become closer to what a woman fantasizes about an experienced man. Women are inherently sought after and chased/wanted sexually, sexual experience as a woman simply isnt as needed to keep a partner satisfied. Theres less to be explored with an experienced woman, and the less special she inherently think…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 06:53 PM
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Barry Keoghan, Mac Miller,Tom Hiddleston, Travis Scott, Adam Levine, Adam driver, none of these are conventionally ugly men. If you tried to Argue current day Brendan fraiser (bless his soul), Danny Devito as examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 09:14 PM
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Its more so the issue of being liked by women actually gets you fuck all. Its being physically attractive that gets you dates. Tons of men are liked by women enough for the woman to want to be friends with them but the only thing that seperates a good friend from a boyfriend is attraction and looks . Ironically alot of male body standards are unrealistic and women don't care that it is unlike men.(most men are not going to go after a woman with fake body parts contrary to popular belief)Try to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:10 AM
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I more so want other red pill guys to realise how pointless this self improvement stuff is for most of us and stop being delusional that women spend all day fantasizing abiut "masculine frame" or that money can get you legitimate lust and love and I want women/ blue pillers to stop fronting like they majorily like anything other than physically attractive men, its like when a woman praises other aspects about her husband but he's the full package. Reasonably attractive, 6ft and up, makes middle …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 12:17 PM
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I adore helping people and paying them genuine thoughtful compliments. I see many people complain thier spouse is still insecure about x. I would remind them every day if they need it why thier insecurities don't matter in comparrison to the rest of them or why those insecuriities adds to them. I just like making my partner feel wanted, generally sexy etc. All that has gotten me was people that throw me out once they're done with the confidence boost. I don't overlook anyone in terms of physical…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 01:10 AM
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I dont want women to lower thier standards I just want them to stay consistent which won't happen but ah well. As for why it matters. It doesnt to anyone but me and the likely hood I wont experience what others get to just because I was born a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 08:40 PM
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Most people aren't actually struggling, its just when things suck they suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 04:06 PM
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Average and below because at a certain demagraphic a woman says youre good enough but she doesnt WANT you. As in you were not the type in her head when she thought about being with someone and that doesnt mean that ideal type goes away all of a sudden
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:42 PM
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Same to, life will humble you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:31 PM
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You can hide behind insecure all you want, being insecure doesnt invalidate habit and probability and that most people want the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:24 PM
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The proof is in the pudding. People do not take action without reasons sybconsciously and nothing is beyond understanding. You are arguing that these people are happy while not mentioning the amount of dignity and what they had to give up to get to the status of happy or the illusion of it or on the whim of the person that you're with doesnt change and its all for nothing. It is also a good indicator of what I MYSELF or even YOU will encounter or have to deal with because we are not special we a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:09 PM
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Thry do that to keep up the illusion easier for him.if that man she liked were to lose 90% of hid money and become working class what do you think she'd do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:06 PM
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Thats not betabuxxing. Thats called being fhe full package. As he is a handsome celebrity in which they are pursued out of principal not actual desire for that persons qualitues outside of being good-looking, having money, having status.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 03:02 PM
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All is fair in love and war. Honesty never got me much love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:55 PM
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He didnt have to start that way and isnt stuck doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:48 PM
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No she chooses the man most willing to spend money on her and pretends to like him or rather she chooses all of them and pretends to like them all. Im not delusional enough to think she doesn't like him at all. Its just a small bonus to getting access to thousands. A man having money isnt a true dating preference, guarantee she gave up her time to men not well off its a way for her to get free stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:37 PM
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Those husbands will never get that desire and lust from thier woman. They are simply there to fulfil the fantasy of family. Not to mention they may not have STARTED out that ugly. Don't even get me started on cuckolds, the divorce rate, female desperation after having a phase in thier youth, the amount of men desperate enough to marry a single mother. Too many factors to claim the woman overlooked thier ugliness and far too many more to say she's sexually attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:30 PM
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It only is for women because they only truly desire to date up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:58 PM
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Having a requirement means its the only reason you're dating in the first place. You approach a girl you dont meet her looks threshold she says no, the date/relationship doesnt happen. You really dont need more than money as its what got her to say yes and will continue to have her say yes so long as you don't kick puppies. The only reason you think you need to bring more to the table is because in her head money creates the illusion of a fun lifestyle, I bet most of what you would claim you bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:57 PM
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They like the guys BECAUSE they have money, and that guy would struggle to get/keep her attention like everyone else if he didnt have the money, you're fully immersed in your main character syndrome if you think theres more to the reason a woman hangs with these guys outside of experiences and gifts she otherwise wouldnt have. Most highly attractive women don't have money, too busy staying pretty, trying to get experiences through men or her friend group if she has one Most men don't have that l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:45 PM

If they were thier looks match the women would make things more obvious, but women only actually desire up never across or down in terms of looks. Some of these men have never had a chance at a relationship and choose to focus on hobbies/themselves because theyy recieve no female attention ironically like most bluepill or dating advice women give men and it never comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:39 PM
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I think ghosting everyone is acceptable but if you pick and choose who you ghost I think you are the physical embodiment of evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:34 PM
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"Niceness isnt attractive" is rare to hear outside of reddit/parents, most poeople believe personality matters when it doesnt. Most of the advice you listed is enstilled from a very young age for most men. Most young men hear in western countries "be nice to them" at a young age as an example. Most aren't so naive that at 22+ this is the first time they've heard this shitty advice that only applies if you're physically attractive. Most people are not being literal, they're just filled with blue …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:30 PM
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Some want revenge but a big part of it is actually how often women complain or bash men for not being good men and no I'm not talking about some manosphere podcast specifically designed to bring out random womens prejudice when plenty of men are willing to be/actively are good but get ignored
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:26 PM
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I completely agree, the only part left out is that insecurity rings true (is confirmed by actions during after and before the relationship) for most men and people in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:23 PM
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This is a comment grasping at straws. Those younger women are not viewing it as prince charming, they view it as how much money can I squeeze out of him while giving him the right amount of attention and they enjoy the lifestyle, not the man himself. The womem participating in those relationships are easy to please for him so long as he buys them status symbols, plenty of places to post on instagram, designer clothes, make-up and skincare products, and special vacations. But the fact remains she…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:19 PM
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Alot of the time its not the same men saying these things, betabuxxing for a woman is completely demeaning. It is the ultimate example of hoe undesirable you are to women as a whole whilst chad was just born right. It is the ultimate spit ib the face that effort can only get you an illusion of what you want. Love. You can work your brains out in the gym or at a job or even personality wise, but you will still do worse, look worse, gain charisma worse than a naturally born attractive man. Not to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:10 PM
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Observation of who they hang out with and whom they don't. This is for my friends and complete strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:58 PM
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Yes, all of them I've at least kissed. The ones I haven't we're on the level of we make banter and talk at work and nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:21 PM
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What I said isnt bitter its evidence based. Ill believe otherwise when I see it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:00 PM
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I would stop at unattractive but yes. If a woman is interested (which is just whatever type of man she built up in her head as her type; all of them are attractive to start with)then she will go for it or make opportunities irregardless . Its a simple not just japanese women but women as a whole are not motivated by the average males appearance anymore, more than ever due to social media exposure of pretty and prettier and richer men that show off a lifestyle most women crave. Beyond everyone be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:59 PM
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One of the best ways to get over a crush is to realize they're out of your league in the way they attracted you inherently because they're your crush. If they look good, they likely look better than you, if you crush on them because they're thoughtful they are likely too thoughtful for you
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:53 PM
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Sometimes fear makes you see things for what they are. Talking and landing the cute girl at a bar when you're maybe a 4/10 is completely unrealistic. Sometimes through experience you sinply know how things will go and fizzle out. Game doesnt matter, your looks do buttheres only but so much you can do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:51 PM
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Because women hate unattractive things. Even more if that thing thinks it has a chance with her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:48 PM
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I wish what you stated and believe was true but its not. I have no issues making friends dating however a woman has never shown any interest in me outside of my first girlfriend and deconstructing that its because I was conveinent and comforting not due to actual attraction and I'm not gonna walk up and try to convince someone in my social cirle or a complete random stranger to like me which is all game is unless the girl is already interested. Women act completely different around men they like…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 01:03 PM
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People very much so care what they're standing next to and what events you might look right doing with them, highschool never stops or stops much latter than you think maybr mid 30s where people are foced to be less shallow. Also fuck off with your gym selfrighteous bullshit. I dont like clubbing but I can at least acknowledge most young people my age are consumed and focused on clubbing/partying and tasting the influencer lifestyle due to social media. Simply because i'm aware of it doesnt make…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 12:20 PM
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There you go again. You just can't help yourself. It could be as simple as you mainly play video games and the people around you prefer clubbing/partying even as popular as gaming has become its not everyones hobby let alone goal to do like persay casual sex, having a party life, going to see artists. Its not that they dont want to talk to you its that due to your looks and hobbies people don't invite you to what they like because they dont think you mesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:52 AM
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Its WAY harder for women to end up completely alone because people change the most about themselves for dating women. Women are also sought after,men aren't unless they're pretty or pretty and funny and not annoying in terms of friendships. Women dont approach because they dont have to. Women often friendzone men if they crave friends and he is demonized if he doesnt accept the friendship. Beyond this I didnt make it about men vs women until you said something as stupid as this. You can say "i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:49 AM
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You're right its not rocket science all you need to do is change yourself almost core and fundementally for people to like you enough to maybe invite you to things or hang around you. Sometimes you're so out of place you have to do a complete 180 change to find some people. At that point are they your friends or are you THIER friend. Hope that doesnt go over anyones head
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:36 PM
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You're doing the exact thing that leads to people not trying to change it. You are priviledged enough to think eveey single problem can be fixed. You can try and look better but it will be more difficult for others to notice a difderence due to where you may majorily lose fat/weight. You can be funny but the typical crowd you encounter doesnt find you funny. Put a nerd in the ghetto let him crack jokes and see how far he gets. You can improve your personality to date but aren't attractive enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:22 PM
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No. At the end of the day women are the ones chased and who get to decide if the guy is enough to warrant her staying no matter what TrpTries to push lol. Most men are not handsome enough to have a woman chase them. Situationships are a result of men not wanting to come off as clingy or scare a woman off and women feeling out thier options or hoping for better even if those options aren't real yet. That and people dont like taking on a ton of stuff especially with the economy being the way it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:17 PM
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Never gonna happen. Women are ok being single so are men or some never had a chance at ever being intimate because dating is naturally harsh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 11:11 AM
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Oh Im not saying take them back, but If you want to bang a hot chick and the choice presents itself take it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:07 AM
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Most people sadly dont care because many male body dismorphia practices are seen as hardwork and dedication and it adds to the thought that women are actually surprisingly shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 10:41 PM
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I understand what you're saying and I see you're trying to lift my spirits but I dont think its working. We fundementally disagree so I'll explain my counter to that thought process and leave it there. You can't stay hot if you aren't already hot which comes down to that jawline as an example, I agree money gives you chemicals, supplements and treatments many people would never have access to, or even know about. At age 35 to 40 most people aren't going for looks anymore, but before hand if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 10:39 PM
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Kindness, intelligence, confidence. Confidence first is just hot air, intelligence first is just pramgatism and I'm pragmatic enough. A womanly touch of kindness and consideration sounds like heaven.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:06 PM
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My main concern is just desire and loyalty. Money CANNOT get you that no matter what TRP says. It just invites situational gold diggers. I'd rather have a woman cheat with me because I'm physically attractive than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:02 PM
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Dont put your guard up. Just me certain what you're gonna do IF it happens and do your best to take up her time. In situations like that. Just try and make them really hurt/change if it happens
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 09:00 PM
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