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That’s policed by other men not by women Bullshit, it's women that leave men that show emotions like crying. I got left for crying at my grandmother's funeral. Plenty of men have stories of girlfriends getting the "Ick" when they showed a non-anger negative emotion. Women absolutely enforce this by who they choose to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:48 AM
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You know what? I don’t care. Good for you. stop asking men to open up if you don't care. You are just asking them to sabotage themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:31 AM
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She hates you just because That wasn't the initial premise. You said that he had hate towards you, you never said why. So step one is to find out why. If the reason is "just because", then i'll try to find out if that's true or if something is underlying. If it really is just random blind hate, then i'll communicate that with them You just ditched the guy the moment he revealed the emotion (as per your story) instead of looking at why that emotion exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 07:09 AM
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I truly wish for you to date a woman (man? I don’t care) who will hate you and resent you and despise you. If she expresses it, then I'll do what I can to address those issues. They trusted me with that personal knowledge. If, despite my efforts, those issues can't be resolved, then i'll discuss ending the relationship. I wouldn't abandon them on the spot like you said you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 06:17 AM
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Ok, so ask her to sit down with you, discuss the future goal and what steps you can both implement to make it a reality Right, because women when complaining are famously very open to solution oriented conversation. “I don’t want a solution I just want to vent and be validated”. Sound familiar? People who are solution oriented come with a solution not just a complaint. If I’m her partner and not her parent, as the person with the grievance, she should be the one calmly asking to sit down and dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:30 AM
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Then work less or ask what can you do Then I have less money and she calls me a bum. Women never accept that the solutions to their complaints will have effects that they don’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:24 AM
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would have helped you not to feel so lonely Literally the same ones as what was given to women. Open spaces (like 2x) where a gender can rant and not get scrutiny. Male specific help, that is interested primarily in helping men's interests regardless of that of women. Male specific scholarships, job's fairs, networking events. You know, all things that women have access to. Men want to know that the groups that they go to for help are going to help them, not "help them so long as long as it does…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:15 AM
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There was so much hate and contempt towards me, anger, jealousy, envy etc, that i saw no other way than to just leave him be. Then you punished him for being honest with you and showing his emotions. That is what you taught him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:06 AM
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What do yall want? Treat the nice guy the same as Chad. If you give him "a chance" and leave at first "ick" while chad gets 17 different excuses as to why you should stick with him despite bad behavior, it's not a real chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:38 AM
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Lmao the account got suspended so... probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:35 AM
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When presenting this idea, men often push back on the suggestion that "financial abortion" should also involve severing access to the child Show me an example of that? The only resistance has been to automatic restraining orders, which are not the same thing. The child should be considered the same as any other child. Women who have a child have a financial and/or custodial obligation to their children, same as men. Not due to safe haven laws, which allow women to unilaterally abandon children t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:28 AM
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Let's be honest, that wouldn't change their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:26 AM
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I mean, yes. It's a huge issue with straight women too. I swear to god some women i've dated seemed to be all in for marriage in like 2 months. It's terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:07 PM
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800/month *12 = 9600 9600 *18 = 172800. Welp, I multiplied by 12 twice. You are right, it's worse. https://www.robinsonandhenry.com/blog/family-law/what-is-the-average-child-support-payment/ From a law firm "Nationally, the average monthly child support payment is around $721" That's where I'm getting my number. can round to 700 if you' like. Either way, 100k is 100k. They gotta take birth control seriously. ( Abstaining, condoms, sterilization. ) Again, since consent isn't a factor, abstaining …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:07 AM
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If it I'm the USA those number are incorrect but even so. Those are US numbers. Look them up. The control u have over the decision is to use a condom or get snipped that's the best u got. Again, I don't have that option, my consent to the sex is not relevant to the child support decision. If she sabotages my birth control, also not relevant, I still have to pay child support. Now for your underage rape victim child extreme rare case very fucked up. And yet 100% legal. Men have no options when it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:46 AM
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So men take getting married more seriously and only do it if they are sure? I mean, U-haul lesbians is a stereotype for a reason I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:40 AM
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a huge % of gay men are in open marriages. Which means that they aren't cheating. Why can't lesbians just do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:39 AM
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No not married. The vows sound insane to me so I'm probably not suited towards it. ( I don't think most ppl are compatible with marriage actually). Hey, if you don't want to get married, that's more than fine. Typically it's women more than men that demand marriage. If you don't want to get married, you are logically consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:31 AM
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Average child support is 800 per month. Or 9600 per year. That is 115,200 USD total. That is not minor. Imagine being an underage rape victim, and being told you have to pay your rapist 6 figures because she decided to keep the baby. How could that possibly be minor. Imagine if tomorrow, I showed up and told you that you had to pay me 120k over the next 20 years, due to a decision you had no control over. The man's consent is completely irrelevant to whether or not he has to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:16 AM
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if divorce is even possibility don't get married I personally think there should also be room carved for all sorts of abuse because living with constant financial, verbal, physical or emotional abuse can endanger whole family Yes, that is what "At fault" divorce is. If you want to leave the marriage because your are "bored" or "unhappy" but the other person hasn't done anything wrong, you should be penalized. If you can prove abuse, then the other person broke their vows and that should be penal…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 07:06 AM
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I've never cheated? barring clear failure to stick to the vows of marriage. I'm specifically having a carve out for cheaters. It's right there. Did you read? If someone cheats they should take a huge hit in the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:27 AM
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Probably but also women tend to put more effort into their appearance than men in general. The things that women find attractive in men are generally things men don't have control over. Height being a huge one. Additionally, I bet if you took just got out of bed naked women and just got out of bed naked men and did the study, the percentages wouldn't change much. Men just find more women attractive than vice versa. Women's standards are much stricter to find a man attractive. But if she decides …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:14 AM
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A lot more sexy women than sexy men. easily find women they are attracted to. easier orgasms rarely do men fuck and it ends at edging lot of sexy prostitutes Honestly a lot of this seems to come down to "women are just hard to please". Men have lower standards for women than women have for men. If you find most men unattractive, doesn't that say more about your standards than about men? if accidental pregnancy happens the biggest impact is that kids fucks up their finances That's a huge issue. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:52 AM
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Why are y'all so afraid of divorce Because it would cost me a huge amount of money, heartbreak, and cause my children to grow up in a broken home. I’d want my children to grow up in a home with 2 parents. Because if women are going to stand up in front of people they love in a huge ass ceremony and vow to stick together “in sickness and in health, in good and in bad”, I expect them to keep that vow. Women demand marriage and then turn around and throw it away. It’s infuriating. If divorce is eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:17 AM
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The point is that the court of public opinon was already brought in by her, so she deserves to be named and shamed. The other person did not do that, so he deserves anonymity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:32 AM
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Then you could both converse over your work experiences rather it be just the man. Why would I want to talk about work at home? Besides, in my experience, it's listening to her talk about problems at her work. If I try and share equally i'm "bringing the mood down". But of course, none of that is emotional labour. A wife that works doesn't actually bring me anything. Her money is her money and my money is our money after all. I genuinely gain next to nothing from having a wife that works, since …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:28 AM
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Plenty of women are willing to call out other women in private, but refuse to do so when in groups. That's the issue. They might agree (in private) that what the door dash girl did was wrong, but they'll never speak out if another woman says that she was right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:22 AM
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The court of public opinion should never be permited to have any power over individuals. She put his naked video on tik tok! She brought it into the court of public opinion. She should not be protected from it. You don't get to air dirty laundry and then get surprised when people react to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:09 AM
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I tend to get one week a month where i'm really horny and do have thoughts of "jumping" random men i see, Ooh, fun thought experiment. When you feel that way, it's likely because of increased testosterone in your system. At it's peak, your testosterone might increase 2-3x during the peak period. Now, men have approximately 10x that peak. All the time. Just imagine how men's "Horny" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:53 PM
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women often face discrimination As do men. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-66060490 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jul/23/top-ad-men-who-feared-obliteration-win-sex-discrimination-claim https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/mr-m-furlong-v-the-chief-constable-of-cheshire-police-2405577-2018 unequal pay Not when controlled for jobs and hours worked. Wage gap argument is weak. underrepresentation in politics and business leadership No shit? Men suffer from underrepresentation in Nurs…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:16 PM
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Fucking Thank you. A huge proportion of women view it the other way and it's infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:02 PM
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Is that what this is all about? The bear? It's about ALL the misandrist bullshit that has cropped up in the past decade. Shit that, if the genders were reversed, would be uncontroversial misogyny, but is defended by women as reasonable. When were women offered that understanding? When women were given individual choice. When it became socially unacceptable to say that a woman can't do x "Because she's a woman". Women were absolutely treated as individuals, and there was a huge push in society to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:56 PM
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Women were offered that understanding. They started tarring all men with the same brush first, so men are now doing the same. And now we’re back to 1900s gender relations. Men aren’t avoiding women because they’re afraid women will assault them, they’re usually avoiding women because they don’t want to deal with social fallout or discomfort. Those aren’t the same things. Ah yeah, the typical, men are stronger so anything women do is justified argument. Can you imagine that doesn’t sell well with…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 01:10 PM
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Most women aren’t walking around full of disgust or anger toward men. They’re reacting to the reality that the world can be unsafe, and they’re trying to protect themselves. That’s not hatred, it’s just caution, the same way anyone would be careful if they knew certain risks existed. When men do the same, it's considered misogyny. If a woman doesn't want to be in a 1:1 situation with a man because she doesn't feel safe, it's "caution". When a man wants the same, it's "misogyny". Men aren't allow…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:27 AM
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When you improve yourself for yourself, people will notice That's the bit people don't believe anymore. They believe that because they were born short/ugly, no amount of self improvement will be noticed by others. Meanwhile the tall and good looking guy literally has to do nothing and will get noticed over you. Experience on dating apps reinforces this line of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:21 AM
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Because women can dump the baby on the taxpayer unilaterally anyway due to medical privacy and safe haven laws. Women are already allowed to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:28 AM
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Cool, let’s ban abortion outside of rape then. If you don’t want to be pregnant don’t have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:40 AM
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“it takes WORK, you can’t just expect a good relationship to happen to you by making a profile on an app. And the point that they are making is that "WORK" doesn't make much of a difference in a post dating app world. They are arguing that the cost/benefit of putting in "work" isn't there anymore. Boomers say shit like "you gotta put on a suit, walk up to the hiring manager, look him in the eye and give him a firm handshake". That's not magic, that's advice they really think would work. They are…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:56 PM
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Why are you struggling if you know more than I do? Shouldn’t you be doing better? Isn't this how many boomers sound when they say "why are you having trouble buying a house/finding a job, just do what I did at your age!"? It ignores the possibility that things have changed and that what made you successful is not what works in the modern dating scene?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 04:45 PM
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We are calling these men “subhuman”. How do you hold these men, who we consider “subhuman” accountable? Women choose these men other men consider subhuman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:14 AM
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Cool beans, so we'll continue to make women uncomfortable and ignore you when you complain about it. I'm sure you'll agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:49 AM
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No you guys dont, because you wouldnt say shit like this: Why should anybody getting upset with these men That's precisely what you would say about something subhuman. I don't get upset at a tiger if it attacks someone. It's a fucking tiger. I warn people to stay away from tigers/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:46 AM
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a pregnancy happens and then the guy does one. Then you have an abortion. Without positive consent from the man that he wishes to be a father. Women shouldn't be having children unless they want to be a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:44 AM
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Not the blame, the agency. They aren’t doing it on purpose They are doing it by omission. They are omitting "this person seems like a reliable father" when deciding who to have sex with. They are choosing to prioritise "tingles" instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:43 AM
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Then your discomfort is not my problem. Your everything is not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:30 AM
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Social Circle as in people I'm close to? No. Do I know abusers, yes. They are typically pretty obvious to me (which is why I'm not their friend), and no amount of warning women about them will stop women from hooking up with them because they are hot. As for flags, in my experience the "flags" are things that women find attractive, so it's a waste of time to highlight them to women. I saw one case where a female friend of mine started dating a guy that was clearly just bullshitting her. Even aft…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:16 AM
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I am calm? I haven't shouted at you? I'm asking if that's enough examples or whether you'd like more. It's a debate sub. Do those examples show you that yes, major women's spaces were generally supportive of the dasher instead of the unconscious man getting filmed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:28 AM
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Unless you are incredibly hot, modern women are just less open to it. Online dating fulfils a need for women for sexual validation and attention. If they just want a hookup, they have literally the entire city on their phone. So unless you are a top tier looking guy, you just can't compete with the thousands of men on her phone when it comes to casual hookups. I've noticed the difference in just 10-15 years. I know how I dated in university, and I know how my younger cousins are viewing dating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:23 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1obht7k/what_are_your_thoughts_on_the_doordash_girl_story/ Twox, largest woman's space on reddit. Second highest response The only people outright excusing his actions are creeps, future creeps, people who don’t want to admit to themselves they’ve been victimized by flashers, and bots. https://np.reddit.com/r/RadicalFeminism/comments/1p0uv0t/on_the_doordash_girl/ radical feminism sub. https://np.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1oe2xda/doordash_driv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:17 AM
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Hell yeah, go for it, and then when you get abused and pumped and dumped, we'll all have a good laugh. As long as you make that clear, that is what you are doing, then we have no issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:07 AM
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Consent under deceptive premises is not consent. Woman wears make-up and a push up bra. Inherently deceptive. Therefore, all sex involved is rape. Yeah, somehow I don't think you'd agree. Remember, under the law, a woman can actively sabotage contraception, and men are still held liable for the resulting pregnancy. Hell, a woman can rape a man and still make him liable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:06 AM
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Um, there are regional and familial differences to rules about playing card games and you want a consistent rulebook on romantically connecting with an individual human person? When I don't know the house rules in monopoly and get them wrong, i'm not socially ostracised or put on fucking tik tok am I? And when people have house rules, they usually know it's a HOUSE RULE, and don't lose their fucking shit when you don't know it immediately. The difference is the consequences. If, 20 years ago, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:58 AM
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Is this a realistic fear Did you see the doordash case? The woman went into someone's home, and recorded him naked on the couch unconscious and posted it on social media, and STILL got support from women's spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:56 AM
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Stricter social norms regarding courting, which is what we had for centuries. It's not like social norms were "here is exactly how I want to be approached", it just gave everyone a rulebook that, as long as you followed it, society would view you as "normal" and "acceptable". That was their purpose, to ensure that even in a society of millions of individuals, there were clear ways to interact that avoided offense, because everyone was playing by the same social rules. The girl might reject you, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:53 AM
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well its not like the council of all womankind released a PR statement addressing their universal consensus about how they like to be approached. And this wouldn't be a problem, if we hadn't escalated the opinions and views of individual women to career ruining levels. If the crazy woman who lost her shit because some dude approached her was just seen as that, "Crazy woman", then people would be fine. The problem is that the opinion of individual women is not socially required to be treated as f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 05:51 AM
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. It's absurd that I had to iron my friend's boyfriend's shirt before a party because she was so busy cooking and he didn't feel like doing it. Nowhere in your statement did you say that he asked you to do it. And as for why? Why not? If you say no, no biggie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:48 AM
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Because they are in a relationship. My gf asks me to do stuff for her all the time. Even when (especially when) I’m busy with something else. Sometimes I do it, sometimes I tell her I’m busy with X. Same vice versa. Simple. So no, not strange at all. Standard relationship. And again, you didn’t have to do it, you chose to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 10:15 AM
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Then you didn’t have to do anything. You chose to do something, and then decided to had to do it because of how you felt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:40 AM
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He wanted it ironed AND didn't want to have to iron it dumb dumb Which doesn't explain why you did it. He wants something, he doesn't want to do it. That doesn't answer why you did it. If your friend was overworked, she can tell her boyfriend "no do it yourself". Done, problem solved. I want to fuck Jennifer Lawrence. That doesn't mean that she'll fuck me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:15 AM
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And how come y'all aren't embarassed Same reason women aren't embarrassed when they let men pay for them, or expect men to lead and other shit. Frankly, men who live alone did all their chores. Women just tend to create more chores than are necessary. You ironed your FRIEND'S BOYFRIEND'S shirt instead of just letting him wear an unironed shirt. That shit is not needed, not life or death, and the person was perfectly willing to go with an unironed shirt. LET THEM. Men manage to live alone just fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:08 AM
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It's absurd that I had to iron my friend's boyfriend's shirt before a party because she was so busy cooking and he didn't feel like doing it. The fuck? So you created a task for yourself, when your friend's boyfriend had no issue with the consequences of going with an unironed shirt. How the fuck is this HIS fault? You don't get to control how he dresses. If he wants to wear an unironed shirt to a party, let him, why do you have to iron it? You didn't HAVE to do anything, you CHOSE to do somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:59 AM
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big part of it, though, is the fact that it starts fights when we stop No shit, you changed something. Normal that creates a reaction. Don't do it in the first place and that way expectations are set properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:55 AM
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Thereby proving 80/20. At least then it'd be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:22 AM
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Literally 80/20. Amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:19 AM
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Yes they're finding me but they aren't rare. Hunters are relatively rare in modern society. But not if you are a deer. You are a deer, so you are going to run into hunters even if they are rare. Also crime statistics don't capture all of the crimes committed, nor are many, shitty, manipulative men criminals. Obviously not, but we have enough comparative data from crime rates worldwide to know that the vast majority of men are not criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:18 PM
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They are finding you, not quite the same. And obviously, the context was dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 06:06 PM
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Do you think that men who are shitty to women are actually going to be shitty to you In general? Yes. Not in the same way, but the hit rate on knowing whether my female friends were dating an asshole or not has been pretty consistent. .g. the random ass neighbor I had who tried to corner and grope me in the mailroom prob wouldn't do the same to you This is again an issue of exposure. That guy likely does that with more than just you. So many women will have experienced a negative experience with…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:19 PM
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What does being attractive have to do with being a rapist/abusive or not? Halo effect. An ugly guy who seems dangerous isn't going to get a chance, whereas a dangerous seeming good looking guy will constantly get women making excuses for him. Attractive, good men, are taken off the market incredibly quickly, so the "concentration" of attractive bad men is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:04 PM
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romantic, caring, protective That’s what women say they want. Who they pick says otherwise. Men with dark triad traits do far better with women in the picking phase. Stated vs revealed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:00 PM
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Actual interaction with men that isn’t influenced by attractiveness? Actual crime statistics showing that a tiny minority is generally responsible for a huge majority of crime/bad behavior? Women are speaking from the position of the victim of bad behavior. If one guy sends a hundred dick pics, 100 women will report being sent a dick pic, but far fewer men will have met/interacted with that guy. The average man does see the fuckboys, he just also sees the 19 other guys. Women will have a massive…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:58 PM
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How is that hypocrisy? That’s perfectly logically consistent when you believe that women are actively attracted to bad men. They aren’t easy to find, women just select them over all their other options because what they find hot correlates strongly with poor behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 12:01 PM
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Well yeah, women give us shit when we do, so we keep it to ourselves at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:36 AM
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If a short woman likes tall men is she hypocritical? What about a low earning woman liking high earning men? Fat woman liking fit men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:06 PM
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If the only reason something doesn't penalize you is because you can hide it, it's still something to be ashamed about because women clearly think less of you when they find out. .
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:06 PM
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And they frequently are called out, both online and in real life, more so online. By women? That's just not really the case. And especially not in real life. I agree that they should, but I rarely see it. Especially when the person is being insulted because he's saying something women don't like, in which case insulting his height or hair suddenly becomes instant fair game. I have personally called out such comments in the past. Look, I'm more or less handing you the rope to hang me here, but, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:02 PM
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wants a man who is notably above average height “Tall” implies above average height. Same with strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:24 AM
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So men being bothered by short women wanting tall men is also valid then right? What about weak women wanting strong men? Also valid to consider that a shit preference?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:23 AM
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Women literally do that all the time when they throw out their preferences though. Calling short men “not real men”. Implying that men that aren’t their type are “icky”. You don’t see other women calling the women who say that out. Pretty much ever. So clearly the problem is that shaming men who don’t meet women’s preferences is societally accepted, but the opposite is pushed back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:22 AM
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To a girlfriend? Not to my recollection. If anything my honesty with partners creates problems since a lot of women ask questions where they want me to lie to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:01 PM
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Plenty of men have risked or sacrificed their lives for women they love. That is fundamentally unconditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:03 AM
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but I specifically said I DONT hear women saying that Have you seen the stats on dating apps when women are allowed to set a dealbreaker height?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:38 AM
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That's basic survivor's bias. The fact that you can't see that is incredibly concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:37 AM
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Nope. If you cheat, that's it relationship over. You want to keep fucking? Sure, whatever. But there is 0 option for an LTR. You've shown yourself to be untrustworthy and willing to betray, so now anything is fair game when it comes to you. Cheaters deserve anything and everything bad that can happen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:35 AM
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And there is the difference. Men are willing to do that for women. Women aren't willing to do that back.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:28 AM
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Since we're being pedantic, Not quite. You are stating a minority of the men are having ALL of the sex. I stated, a minority of the men are having a majority of the sex. AKA, if 40% (a minority) of the men were having 60% (a majority) of the sex, my statement would be true. Obviously, I think that the numbers are closer to 20% of the men are having 80% of the pairings/hookups. Since in this case, having sex with the same woman 10 times is only one pairing from the perspective of "who women sleep…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:49 AM
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Probably more secure for women. Rates of IPV would be down for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 07:00 AM
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Lmao all the time. Women who transition regularly report how they notice that they get so much less sympathy and help when they pass as a man. You are just used to your privilege so you don't notice it until it goes away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:51 AM
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As far as good options; a lot of men have zero text game, or are just plain ol’ checked out. Understandable, given how awful the overall experience of online dating is. Do women think that they have any text game at all? because in my experience most of them just respond. They don't initiate at all. Men just don't need text game to be interested, so once again all the competence requirement is thrown on the men. Why put in the effort to think about what you write when 8/10 women won't respond ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:43 AM
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which works on a minority of screwed up women but repulses most others I mean the big thing here is that if the others are repulsed by you anyway, then appealing to the screwed up minority with something you can actually change is the rational choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 06:36 AM
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At a societal level, that has been shown to be true. In fact, when game theory experiments are done. You tend to consistently find that 20% of the population is inherently altruistic. 20% inherently malevolent, and 60% are driven by whatever the incentives/norms of the situation are. So for 80% of the population, external enforcement is the requirement. Is a fear of external enforcement the only thing keeping you from disrespecting people’s bodies and rights? Also, attempting to take a conversat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:38 AM
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Not sure I agree with minority I mean, you absolutely do... A minority of the men get the majority of the sex is just what happens when distribution is not equal. By mathematical definition, that is always going to be true. I've seen too many average pairings (casual and long-term) to think the 80/20 rule is realistic. Because what you see is visible pairings, not the sum total of sex distribution. OLD stats are actually good for that when we rarely get them. Hookups through OLD don't really go …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:33 AM
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It doesn't TAKE good will not to murder rape and enslave people or threaten them with violence. The entire history of humanity shows otherwise. Even chimps have been found to murder and rape. The baseline standard is murder and rape. Your belief doesn't line up with human history. People respecting the bodies and rights of others without external enforcement is the exception, not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:13 AM
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but a significant amount of guys are just not like this A significant amount of guys that women sleep with. A minority of men get most of the sex. It's not remotely equally distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:10 AM
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If you ask too many questions it will turn men off. OP It will turn men who don't want a relationship with you off. Correct. How is this any different than women insisting that men should be upfront about only wanting casual when they know it would heavily hamper the chances the guy gets sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:08 AM
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Where they go wrong is assuming it’s always about looks, or that all women will always have the same opinion of their looks. And women underplay looks every chance they get. When pretty much all research into revealed preferences show it matters just as much if not more for them. What men know, is that good looking men get a million excuses and chances, whereas they as the average guy never did. But claiming that “average” men always get cut off can’t be true when most average men are in relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:05 AM
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It seems more like you guys don’t like that women mature and learn from mistakes. Bullshit, when another 6ft+ hot guy comes up she'll use the exact same excuses. Second verse same as the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:22 AM
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But if a woman breaks it off over something like that, either she just wasn’t that into you That's what guys are saying though. Women give good looking looking men a lot of chances and the benefit of the doubt, but cut off the average guy over a fork. So if you are average, the only experience you have dating women is that they cut you off on the first error or flaw. Women take the experience that they have with many men, good looking and average, and assume that men have had that experience. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:20 AM
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Umm women with even "great men on paper" still end up as single moms I wonder what the relative rate of single motherhood is. It's like saying "even fit people have heart attacks", sure, but that doesn't mean it's not dangerous to be Obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 08:02 AM
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Not sexual with him. Marriage is a risk. If the guy thinks his sex life will die after marriage, then he won't risk it. Dishonest or can't admit fault. Being able to resolve issues while admitting fault is a huge benefit. Financially responsible. If you spend more than you earn, or seem like you can't be trusted with money, men aren't going to want to risk their finances with you. Basically, what matters is that you're reliable enough that a man is willing to risk chaining himself to you, and en…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:59 AM
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Yeah I guess my acquaintance from highschool should have definitely been accountable after her psychotic ex boyfriend chopped her up and stuffed her in a duffle bag. Well yeah, that's about as accountable as it gets really.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:53 AM
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Fights in reality aren't usually "Fair". One party is usually the aggressor, gets the drop on the other, or is armed. That decides the fight far more often than size. Equal fights only really happen in the ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:27 AM
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Men should also be afraid of meeting strangers But they generally aren't. Men have a way higher risk tolerance than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:58 AM
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I only said what I think, and that’s somehow not okay. Because it comes off like you are implying this isn't the case. Like that's not the predominant opinion. "I don't find you weird" isn't taken well when someone knows most people do. Saying "I agree that most women do, I don't however" would be taken much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:18 AM
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Why not being upfront about what is wanted Because that is less likely to lead to sex than not being upfront. That's literally it. If women didn't penalize men who were direct, then men would be direct, it's more in their nature. It's just that we know that directly asking for a hookup is more likely to get us no sex than acting like we don't want a hookup. I'm much more likely to sleep with a woman on the first night by being vague than being direct. It's stupid, but it's true. Look at how gay …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:26 PM
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If only 20% of men are getting any interest, that means 80% of women are staying single No, it means that 20% of men are getting a bunch of sex from 80% of women. Sex doesn't have to be monogamous nor equal. This is especially true with young men, which is why the population of sexless young men is dramatically higher than that of sexless young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:25 AM
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Why would you expect a man to approach you, not knowing if you check all his boxes? Because that is what you are saying here. Why can't you just approach men the way you expect men to approach you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:17 AM
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Women intentionally narrowing their own dating pool is not indication that all womens narrowed dating pools are exactly the same They don't have to be exactly the same. If only 2/100 men are attractive enough for each woman, then they could be very different individually while only resulting in 20% of men having interest from any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:15 AM
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Well it's also because women can have their sexual needs met when they want. That's a massive thing that friends don't do that partners do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:13 AM
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children are a huge net benefit to the state Children are. Children from single mothers, less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:04 AM
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Paying taxes doesn't require you to give up your bodily autonomy If I don't pay them, I go to jail. That is a violation of bodily autonomy. Could we make it a requirement that women who don't willingly have sex with single men (by their own choice, no violation of bodily autonomy) get sent to jail? Just to follow your analogy, women who are SAHM/Homeless are exempt, so you always have that option (compared to the NEET/live under a bridge).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:03 AM
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Yes by definition. You ask what men mean when they say standards are too high, that will naturally involve their personal opinion. In fact, that is what most definitions of "reasonable" imply. If someone says their height requirement is 5ft, that would almost universally be seen as more reasonable than 12ft, but it would still be a personal judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:50 AM
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I want women to stop having an attractiveness standard that is unreasonably high. Women already believe that attractiveness standards can change and be influenced by the environement (hence the pushes to change the fashion and advertising industry), so clearly they aren't an inbuilt, unchangeable thing. But the question is would you date someone unattractive No, but my definition of unattractive is more reasonable, as it encompasses a far smaller proportion of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:33 AM
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The issue still remains that men are not meeting the basic threshold of attractiveness. The basic one. And what i'm saying is that the "basic one" is arguably too high. The fact that you don't quantify what "the basic one" entails kind of shows that. If the majority of men don't meet your "Basic threshold" that threshold is too high. It means beauty standards for men have become too strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:07 AM
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there's isn't one that meets the threshold of attractive Then her threshold for attractive is too high. If a man said he couldn't find a girlfriend because he found any girl who isn't a victoria's secret model unattractive, people would blame that standard. All this says is that the beauty standard for men has gone out of control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:44 AM
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No shit, that is a VERY different filter if you find half the population attractive, or 1%. It's like the "be taller than me" filter. If you are a 6ft8 woman, that is a VERY different filter to the 5ft woman saying the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 05:42 AM
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Nope, even underage male rape victims have been held responsible for the babies their rapists conceived. Clearly consent or practicing safe sex is not sufficient to remove responsibility for a baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:05 AM
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Who do you think should be paying to feed your offspring if you walk out on your family The person who made the unilateral decision to have the baby. LPS is for unborn babies. So long as women have a unilateral decision on whether or not a baby is born, they should have unilateral responsibility to feed that baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:12 AM
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In that case, shouldn't we first look at the billionaire oligarchs who, instead of using even 10% of their wealth for making the world better, use it to just make EVEN MORE FUCKING MONEY at the expense of everyone else. Meh, I agree it's immoral that they don't use their wealth to make the world better. I also think it's immoral not to take the 10 million. Anyway, let's not tell people they are morally wrong for not doing something that is very likely to entirely fuck up their relationship when …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:43 PM
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What are male creators watched by women? Drew Gooden, Nick Diramio, Brad Mondo, Jack Edwards All have majority or near majority female audiences. matt rife too The alternative is women watching porn. Not sure why you are equating it to social media. Because women's experience on social media is very different to men's. They get magnitudes more attention and interaction than men do. Regardless, it's absolutely dating apps that are the bigger contributor. Women don't watch porn at nearly the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:03 PM
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I mean, go for it? The above solution doesn't hurt anyone, your version absolutely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:54 PM
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If a woman is ugly or fat, she cannot make up for it But she can change it. Any fat woman can change that. A short guy can't get taller, and that is a dealbreaker for a huge number of women. Even ugly, thin women, do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:53 PM
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It does both. Women have no problem with the idea that men watching too much porn can affect their sexual arousal. The alternative, women largely seeing good looking men in all their media would have an effect. Do you think women watch male creators? Maybe they watch some but I feel like they mostly watch female creators Correct, just like men largely watch male creators. What’s interesting is seeing what the guys look like that women do watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 11:04 AM
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Instagram and dating apps mostly. It’s that the average Instagram content creator is going to be significantly better looking than average, especially the men. It messes up the mind’s idea of normal. This isn’t exactly controversial. Women generally agree that seeing nothing but stick thin women in advertising and social media wasn’t great for the self image and mental state of young women. It stands to reason that only seeing incredibly good looking guys all day will do something similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:43 AM
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That’s a fair take but maybe it’s my own personal biases but I feel like there are more quality women than there are quality men. That's definitely in-group bias. Most people who actually date women (bi women especially) lose that when they actually experience dating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 10:02 AM
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Can you suggest a clear step by step proccess how a woman can make herelf attracted to someone she’s not attracted to? Social media detox is a great start. Your standards are very much influenced by what you see on a day to day basis. I guarantee you that a woman who grew up in rural alabama before the internet had a very different attraction floor than one who grows up with dating apps and social media. The hedonic treadmill is real. It's perfectly possible to unlearn certain things. Women have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:50 AM
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If a woman is crazy and not hot nobody will touch her. That's where it's different. The correct term is if a woman is crazy and not ugly. The average woman can still get plenty of touch purely on looks. Might not be from the absolute tip top of men, but a pretty good proportion. A man has to be hot to get away with being an asshole. Being average is not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 08:48 AM
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Why? I agreed to it. She’s doing it with my blessing for a life changing sum of money. Jealousy would be if she slept with the guy behind my back because she’s attracted to him. If she has to be the one to do it, I’d be proud of her for being willing to go through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:01 AM
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Frankly, anyone I would date and respect would be pissed if I didn’t take the offer. It’s 10 million. Even half that is permanent financial security for their whole family. Do I need the money? Not even close, but it’d be a catastrophic waste not to take it. Hell, even if I don’t need the money, it’s 10 million I’m depriving from a charity of choice. So no, the kind of people I date, who tend to be at least a little practical, would be more hurt if I refused.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:58 AM
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I’d call it arguably immoral not to. That’s 10 million that’s deprived from a charity or cause you care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:51 AM
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Where did I write that? I don’t much care who does it. If it wouldn’t bother her I’d volunteer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:46 AM
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I’m agreeing to it, why would I be jealous? I know she’s doing it for the money, and it’s a ton of money. I’d be jealous if she was doing it because she liked the other guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:40 AM
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Not necessarily, people can prioritize different things. He might care more about that than her, and she's aware of that. She might have different dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:29 PM
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Sorry let me rephrase I don't want the rest of ukraine looking like Bucha did, and i'm willing to stomach a conscription requirement to prevent it. I believe that conscription will help prevent that fate. You disagree, and that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:56 PM
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First of all, If I consent to it, it's not cheating. And if she's cool with it, fuck yeah. 10 million is 10 million. I'll do it if she prefers not to. We can donate half to charity to soothe the guilt if needed. My girlfriend cheating because she's into another dude is one thing. My girlfriend banging a dude for 10 million with my blessing? That's fine. Even if I don't need the money, why would I deprive a charity of my choice of 10 million dollars because of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:52 PM
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Wow. Okay, at least you're consistent. I heartily disagree with you on that subject. I don't want the rest of ukraine looking like Bucha did.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:51 PM
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But yeah I agree that for example pushing against equal custody is pushing against equal rights Great, I can find examples of feminist organizations opposing equality in those other areas too. In the end, I can't find an example of a feminist organization pushing for equality when women are the priveleged gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:44 PM
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forcing your citizens to fight = the country is not worth it to be defended Then the country gets taken over by a country that does force it's citizens to fight, and then the citizens are forced to fight anyway. Is that acceptable to you? Again, should Ukraine cancel conscription and surrender to Russia? I'd like you to answer that question directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:42 PM
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This whole conversation is about feminists, not women. Tomi Lahren is absolutely a woman and not a feminist. The 48% or so of women who voted Trump are unlikely to be modern feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:51 PM
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Yeah? That would be a pretty big part of it. Sadly in-group bias is strong here. The main requirement would be for major feminist organizations, to support one form of equality that doesn't benefit women and instead benefits men, just for the principle of equality. That would be a great benchmark. Supporting increasing the retirement age for women to be equal to men where they are not equal for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:14 AM
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id say they are no real feminists then No true scotsman fallacy. What matters is what people who call themselves feminists believe in reality. Otherwise it's the same as "well those aren't real communists anyway".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:06 AM
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As i remember the feminists fought for men to have a say in custody of a child instead of the woman Perhaps the first and second waves. In more recent times, for example in florida, feminist organizations were against equal custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:05 AM
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If you're not an asshole you're going to be a good ally because it's the right thing to do Feminists oppose equality when it doesn't benefit women. Why should men support equality when it doesn't benefit them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:05 AM
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Can you give some examples of when feminists oppose equal rights? So you agree that these are examples of feminists opposing equal rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:48 AM
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and I believe in no conscription That's nice, but the reality is that many countries do not have the privilege to avoid conscription. Without conscription, they would be taken over by their neighbour who DOES have conscription. You can look at ukraine as an example. What do you think should happen in those cases? Should the country stick to it's principles, not perform conscription, lose the war and then be conscripted anyway, or perform conscription to prevent getting taken over? The reality is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:47 AM
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I literally did above. Did you read my post? Feminism doesn't advocate for women being conscripted (in countries where conscription is mandatory and needed like korea or Singapore or Ukraine), it doesn't advocate for gender specific scholarships in subjects where men are underepresented. It doesn't advocate for equality of reproductive rights between men and women. It often pushes against equality in custody rights (such as when Florida tried to make 50/50 custody the default and the NOW opposed…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:26 AM
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I'd always rather be fetishised than demonized.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:09 AM
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But of course they should at least believe in equal rights for both genders. I believe in equal rights and I am a feminist. My point is that when equal rights come at women's detriment, they move to oppose those changes. Not that they are ambivalent or ignore, but that they actively oppose them. They don't do "what is right", they do "What benefits women". The test of morality is whether or not you do something when it's not beneficial or actively detrimental to you, not whether you do it when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:06 AM
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Feminists don't believe in equal rights, they believe in more rights for women. Feminism doesn't advocate for women being conscripted (in countries where conscription is mandatory and needed like korea or Singapore or Ukraine), it doesn't advocate for gender specific scholarships in subjects where men are underepresented. It doesn't advocate for equality of reproductive rights between men and women. It often pushes against equality in custody rights (such as when Florida tried to make 50/50 cust…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:48 AM
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Would they not be better suited for a women’s only club? They would, but again, those clubs don't have a functional economic model. Clubs make money from drink revenues or entrance fees. Women generally don't pay much for both, so the clubs tend to not be viable. The club could be full, but not be making enough money because women aren't spending enough. It's the same thing with women's sports (especially the WNBA), women want those sports to exist, but just don't spend the money attending games…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:34 AM
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but the implication is they should have seen it coming Depending on the situation. Yeah they absolutely should have. For an extreme case, If a woman dates a guy with a face tattoo, she gets no sympathy from me regardless of what happens. The dude literally put the sign on his face. Choose better is practically never thrown at women who date the vanilla accounting geek who turns out to be abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:31 AM
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Those women only clubs need to become more popular They collapse consistently because they can't get enough revenue from drinks. Women just don't spend enough money on drinks to sustain the club.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 02:24 AM
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We both know that data isn't released by the apps, so why ask for it? However, the data we do have seems to show a very clear 6ft minimum. For example, here is the bumble settings data. When women are asked what their dealbreaker minimum height is, well over 50% put 6ft. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fe7cgwu1snhe91.jpg However, typically people who ask questions like this don't really want the data. Supported by this article. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 11:39 AM
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Yep, though I’m not sure if there is any evidence that would actually convince you here. Anything that is posted would likely be considered an “unrepresentative sample”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:42 AM
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You don’t learn a skill without practice. Why would you expect most men to be skilled at this and not be in the learning phase where they fuck it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:37 AM
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Okay. So, swipe left on those women We are literally talking about the statement "tall is easy because men are taller than women". It's not about whether or not I would pick those women, it's about what percentage of women require 6ft+. Why move from a conversation about general trends, to a personal question? Those women are making it easy. They are telling you that you aren't compatible. Save y'all both time. I can still comment on "tall is easy" being bullshit, because women's definition of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:55 AM
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most women prefer medium ugly guys bc they are nicer to us Show me a single study showing that, because everything i've seen about spoken vs revealed preferences shows that women pick just as much if not more on looks than men. Men are just more open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:53 AM
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Tall is easy because men are taller than women Not when the standard for tall is pretty consistently 6ft. A far higher proportion of women more or less require that than there are men who meet that criteria (about 15% of men). If the requirement was just "taller than her" then sure, but even 5ft women seem to pretty consistently have "if you are under 6ft swipe left" on their dating profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:30 AM
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How is this different from women's standards Women will expect more from their men over the course of a relationship, and expect him and try to to change his behavior over time. Men rarely do this. An old quote: Women marry men hoping they will change. Men marry women hoping they will not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 04:48 PM
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Depends on my level of trust regarding finances and her financial decision-making. What I'd consider fair would be free access to the cash account but not unilateral access to the investment account. I don't hold too much of my liquid net worth in cash anyway, so even if she did go on a full gambling bender, it'd just be an expensive revelation about her. That way she can live like me (not worrying about money really) but big purchases would have to go through both of us and couldn't be unilater…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 04:31 PM
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So dudes here don't say touching more penises than he's comfortable with, going out to the club, having male friends or God forbid an ex, wearing makeup, having fake nails, wearing revealing clothing, having a large social media following, having a kid, being divorced, being a feminist, having dated a hotter guy than him before, having dated a guy with a bigger dick than him before, not sleeping with him as quickly as the fastest she ever slept with another guy, not doing every sex act that she …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 04:19 PM
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Men’s initial requirements list is significantly shorter. Men have a much shorter list of “icks”. If they are sexually attracted to you, it’ll be hard to change that. Men are generally content even if they don’t get all their requirements and wants in a relationship. They are less likely to attempt to change their partner’s behavior, but instead learn to accept it. Basically, with men, once you are in, outside of abhorrent shit, you are in. The expectations won’t generally change over time. With…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 02:48 PM
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And I find women being compared to a pet or a child disturbing. Bad analogy. Case in point that women find all analogies offensive. I don’t know why I wasted my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:38 PM
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me all through high school. Again, who was ostracising you? Other women or men? Because in my experience, male groups have WAY higher tolerance for "weirdness" than female ones. Most likely it was other women ostracising you, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:59 AM
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That's all you expect of a partner so, effectively, any woman who can meet the standards of attractive, agreeable, and horny is basically interchangeable with any other woman who can meet those standards. Just like most cats that I could have adopted would be a cat that I would have probably met the standards I needed for a cat. That wouldn't stop me from loving my cat any less? That doesn't make my cat interchangeable with any other cat. Love is built through shared experience and time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:29 AM
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Men won't do anything to get this done of their own volition, but will be quick to point fingers when the house reeks or guests complain. Typically it's women who point fingers. Modern men generally won't. They have a much higher tolerance for mess and dirt. Men won't do anything to get this done of their own volition, but will (hopefully) be pissed when their kids show clear signs of neglect. Again, unless the agreement is that she takes care of the kids, I don't know of any modern men that wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:24 AM
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Bullshit. The worst part is, I can't explain it without giving an analogy, and women will typically immediately ignore the point of an analogy to try and be offended. But let's try anyway. If I adopt a cat, I can start to love it. I'm not picky about the cat I adopt, hell, I might have found that cat on the street in a dumpster. But does that make that love I have for that cat any more real or genuine? I wasn't picky when I chose the cat, but I sure as hell love it a lot more than any other cat.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:18 AM
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genuine "weird girls" get ostracized anyway By who? All the guys I'm close to love it when a girl is weird. Typically the ostracisation I see is from other girls or the top 5% of hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 06:14 AM
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Just because I’m self sufficient doesn’t mean I can’t fall in love or get attached to someone A ton of men have never felt that a woman feels that way about them. For a lot of average men, the feeling in this dating app world is that women will leave for the next option immediately on the first "ick".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:29 AM
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who isn't on your level Because I don't care about "level", and income isn't a great sign of who is on my "level". Typically it's women who think like this. I'd rather date a low earning woman I actually enjoy being around than a high earning woman who believes that she's owed everything because she earns a lot. It's incredible how much happier the former makes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:27 AM
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Would men not care if their partner wasn’t really interested so long as he has sex at an adequate enough frequency???? Well the primary issue there is that the beta buxx doesn't get sex at an adequate enough frequency, especially after marriage. If beta buxx were getting all the sex they wanted, nobody would really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:11 AM
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Which is fine IRL, but not on dating apps where people are effectively anonymous, and you can't see how often a guy swipes right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 04:01 PM
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Game Theory, you have no way to know how choosy a man is. So a man who is choosier just gives up opportunities to the less choosy man. When the ones who take advantage are rewarded, people take advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:48 AM
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Yeah ok, that means she wasn’t right for you. So you meet a girl where YOUR balance matches what works with HER balance. Great, and that's the point, you don't "find a balance". There is no nuance, or middle ground. You either get it exactly right or she "icks" out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:41 PM
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If my husband wants to go to the strip club he is free to, he might just find I’m not home when he comes back When a similar statement is thrown at women, they often call it an ultimatum, and say that ultimatums are controlling and abusive. Frankly, I agree with you, but many women will turn around and argue that what you said there is pressuring and controlling when done to a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:11 PM
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I mean he’s allowed to have his feelings about it, but it doesn’t mean the other party has to give in Right, but in the moment women will argue that even expressing the preference is pressure and therefore controlling. This is the primary problem with “nuance”. It gives the aggrieved party infinite freedom to justify their feelings. Many men will argue that there is no middle ground that will satisfy many women, and instead the unacceptable parts of the spectrum overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:27 AM
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I won’t tell a woman what to wear, but I can make my personal feelings and preferences known But women will argue that by expressing his preference, he's pressuring her and therefore controlling her. The problem with nuance is that it assumes the other party will see it the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:12 AM
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I said find A balance Very hard to find a balance if women have no tolerance for finding out where that balance is with that particular women (AKA "icks"). Get it wrong once and boom, you're done.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:10 AM
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Wealth and age are correlated. Any rich guy under 30 is not going to be settling down with her specifically. It's much higher competition. I'm well off, and I have to be very careful to hide it where I live to avoid goldiggers. It's fucking crazy how some people's eyes light up the moment they realize you have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:45 AM
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The question is, would she have said yes at the time. Men want to be the Primal lust option, not the "emotionally safe" option. It's not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:00 AM
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Because he wants to be the "captain" in his relationship? Seems to make sense in an "ideal" partner. If he wants to lead in his relationship, then his ideal partner to submit to that leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:41 AM
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The job and responsibility of the leader is to keep their subordinates as happy as is reasonably possible. it always sounds like they want someone who they can ‘lead’ without caring for their happiness Sounds like you've worked for some really shitty bosses. I've had great luck with bosses and leaders, and in their mind, my happiness and success trumps even their own in prioritisation. That's what duty is. I do the same with my team. I expect them to follow my calls, even when they disagree, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:39 AM
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Divorce rate: dark triad is going to suffer here Nobody who can't get the former cares about the latter. If you are jobless, you only care about what will get you a job. You can work on keeping one after you get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 02:47 AM
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and as a student I haven't been staying in wealthy neighbourhoods But as a university student (I assume) you will inevitably be around more educated people day to day. Contributing to your impression of what people wear. Side note, my numbers are based on US polls. Didn’t bother checking Europe. Could be that Germany for example has seen a large drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:39 AM
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I suspect that is more of a reflection of your locality. Polls show make up use declines with education and wealth. So a richer, more educated area (anything university + is above average) will see less. Additionally, mimimal makeup still counts. Men will get judged for even minimal makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:29 AM
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While true, there hasn’t been a massive drop in make up use in polls either. A small one, but not so much that big make up brands are seeing losses in revenue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:23 AM
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In real life, do you see most women wearing makeup this often Yeah? All the time at work. Loads of women are wearing makeup every day as part of their morning routine. Depending on the survey, about 1 in 3 wear it every day, while 74% wear it at least occasionally. Imagine if 1 in 3 men wore lifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:58 AM
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Do women even wear makeup this often anymore? The revenue of the cosmetics industry continues to beat inflation year after year, so yeah, women buy and wear tons of makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 07:51 AM
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I’m married and HIV positive are very far away from each other. If he’s married, it’s the wife he’s really betraying, not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:20 AM
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Nobody cares that it’s shit when others are throwing it at us. Why should we care? Empathy gap in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:55 AM
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Just a coincidence that all the guys with the non-obvious signs tend to be better looking eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:51 AM
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We do? Don’t stick your dick in crazy has been a rule since time immemorial. This is literally choose better, and is societally acceptable. I’ve been stabbed by an ex before, I still think it’s partially my fault for choosing her. She didn't sleep with you after 3 dates? Why did you choose to have 3 dates with her? Because that’s the check to see if she’s into you? They aren’t complaining that the test did what it was supposed to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:47 AM
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Yeah I agree that it was an idiotic policy by a world leading idiot of a dictator. This is the genius that decided to build a canal to the black sea... No disagreement there. But it did increase TFR and dramatically, which is what the person I was replying to was saying wouldn't happen. You can dislike a policy without making up it's negative effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:40 AM
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And then fell lower than before abortion ban (with restriction still intact) Pre-abortion ban TFR in 1966 was 1.9 https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/rou/romania/fertility-rate The regime was overthrown and abortion reinstated in 1989. TFR that year? 2.2. It only dropped again below 1.9 after abortion was reinstated. Come on, these are easilly googleable numbers. Why didn't you just check before saying that? There was not a single year before 1990 where TFR was below 2. I suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:27 PM
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I don’t think these things are comparable in the first place Not the one who made the initial comparison. I was responding to the person who made that comparison in the context of the US. And rape even without a pregnancy is a violation of bodily autonomy as well. But not forced on her by the state, that is the major difference. Bodily autonomy violations will always happen. The important thing is that the state doesn't do it. I’ve met some men who were conscripted and had 2 year desk jobs in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:38 PM
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Great, but trying to compare it to rape camps to a very odd thing to do. It's the only equivalent example for the idea that women "have a duty to have children". Conscription can mean that the government can order a man to do something that will kill him. That is how fucked up conscription is. It's suspending the bodily autonomy of men because the state needs it. There is nothing that the state puts on modern women that equates to it. If men have a duty to defend the state, and women a duty to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:22 PM
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Sidestepping the fact that you want rape camps I don't? I want equality in conscription. Typical that you'd put words in my mouth though. Which is supported on the left I don't know about your country, but where I live, women support conscription but not conscription for themselves. And neither do women when sexual violence is a thing. And even when Romania banned abortion it still had a rape exception. Would you view banned abortion with a rape exception as not a violation of bodily autonomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 03:43 PM
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Women don't know a man lacks emotional maturity or integrity just bc he's attractive. People reveal who they are over time. And the average guy isn't given any time, he's dropped on the first ick. Meanwhile the attractive guy has all his red flags ignored. I've seen it countless times where women just ignore that the guy is clearly a lying playboy because he's hot. Men complain about women running when a dude shows his emotions but then when (as a woman) you try to counteract that and say no I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:53 PM
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Just to be pedantic, in places where there’s no abortion exception for rape So as long as there is an exception for rape, we agree than an abortion ban is not the same level of bodily autonomy violation as conscription. The example to give is Romania, where even Ceaușescu's idiotic abortion ban still had a rape exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:47 PM
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There seems to be consensus among men online that "Horse girls" are a red flag to be avoided. Similarly blue hair, nose rings, etc. Basically women can't do anything without being judged. Horse girls are largely just code for "expensive". Because horses are expensive. blue hair, nose rings. Basically women can't do anything without being judged. If a guy had those things, he'd be judged too. By women just as much as men. When it comes to writing fanfiction communities, No issue, though it does d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:42 PM
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We get shamed for expecting emotional maturity, consistency, integrity, and real partnership No, women who select for that consistently are not shamed. Women who sleep with good looking men and then expect that from the men they are in a relationship in are shamed. Big difference. Kindly find me an example of a man here shaming a woman because she's selecting for emotional maturity, consistency, integrity, and real partnership and again. When women leave toxic or abusive relationships, the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:30 PM
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You do understand that the equivalent of conscription for men would be requiring women to have X children before a certain age under threat of jail, not banning abortion. Even as someone who is rabidly pro-abortion (generously I might described as pro-incentivized choice), what the U.S. is doing is not the same kind of bodily autonomy violation as conscription. I can’t get out of conscription by abstaining from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 02:07 PM
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If forbidding abortion would help with birth rates it would be already forbidden. We know it does. Just studies show that it doesn't matter. What studies? Decree 770 in Romania increased the TFR from 1.9 to 3.7. We KNOW that banning abortion increases the TFR massively. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770 The crimerate bit is also accurate, but if you want to increase TFR. Nothing beats banning abortion, contraception, and women's education. Those are the top 3 methods of increasing it, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:03 AM
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No, they don't. Women have abortion options, that the government can easily outlaw. Women have access to contraception, that the government can easily outlaw. Governments try to incentivize women to give birth, they do not compel them to do so. That is the difference between women, who continue to have bodily autonomy, and men, who lose it during war when they are forced to put their bodies on the front line.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:51 AM
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too high of standards For looks not personality. Come on now, we both knew that is what is being said. No need to be dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:45 AM
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Most modern countries with male conscription don't try and force women into birth. If they wanted to do that, they absolutely could.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:34 AM
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It's also immoral in the sense that the state views women as a resource just as much; it's just a different kind of a resource, a self-producing one. While men are drafted when necessary, women are guarded to protect "the future of the nation". Except women aren't forced to do their part in this case. They are 100% volunteering. The state doesn't draft women to give birth. If the argument was that women are guarded to give birth, then women of childbearing age would be forced to have children th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:28 AM
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As I'm not American, I don't think that's much better. We can talk about other countries with conscription. South Korea, Singapore. Both require only men to serve. It is utterly immoral. Do you think equality means justice necessarily? Seemingly so, since women have been demanding equality in a bunch of things, under the argument of gender equality. Amazing that when it's something that men are disadvantaged by, suddenly equality isn't so important. And that is all countries with a draft. If men…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:56 AM
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Women being drafted? Equality? Solves their immediate manpower issues too. Israel can do it just fine, I see no reason why Ukraine shouldn't do it. If men are forced by the government to put their bodies on the line, I don't see why women shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:40 AM
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And what would you have them do with it? Massively and loudly support the draft for women so long as men are drafted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:31 AM
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Because they aren’t volunteering to fight in order to spare men the draft? If they were loyal, they wouldn’t be okay with only men being forced to fight to defend their nation. They would be demanding, en-masse, for equality in the draft so that they too could defend their nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:30 AM
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They might consolidate their finances, but the woman will make 85% of the purchasing decisions. https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/03/07/who-runs-the-world-women-control-85-of-purchases-29-of-stem-roles/ So consolidated finances are controlled by the woman anyway. Saying "our money goes into this pool that I control" is the same as "your money is our money".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:51 AM
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With regards to that comment yes. If you were referring to the other comment you could respond to that. Most men do not think that they'd be getting financial support from their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 06:29 AM
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Hence why I wrote "in my experience" and "i'm".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:48 AM
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And there you go. Entitlement. Nicely demonstrated
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:28 AM
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Unfalsifiable. If anyone says they tried what you suggest, you’ll counter that they didn’t try hard enough or just weren’t “amazing” enough to count.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:20 AM
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I’m not dating expecting to get anything from divorce, or to get divorced. And “pooled resources” assumes that women will actually pool their resources. In my experience the expectation is that my resources are “pooled” while her money is only spent on herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 03:17 AM
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Men don’t believe their partner would provide for them if they are injured of sick anyway. Only the most good looking of men have experienced women being willing to provide for them. They know that their options are to provide or be alone in most cases, so the woman’s ability to provide is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:36 AM
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I wasn’t talking about you? How does your example answer the question of whether or not a short or average height woman who wants a tall boyfriend is a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 11:07 AM
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Want a tall guy? Better be tall yourself. Is that fair too? Are average or short women who want tall guys hypocrites?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:18 AM
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It’s very divorced from actual reality And if that is the treatment the guy got in reality? Would you deny his experience is valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:03 AM
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Where the fuck are you finding $30 prostitutes? In this economy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:48 AM
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Why wouldn't you want someone who is as ambitious or as successful as you? Won't make a difference to me since women won't provide for me. It literally only increases the standards she expects from me while the general vibe is still "my money is my money, his money is our money". The moment I make less than her she's likely to leave too. So for what possible benefit would I want this? It raises the standards i'm held to, while giving me absolutely nothing in terms of benefit. Higher earning and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:41 AM
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In the eyes of men though, income is not a factor that matters. "His income is our income, my income is my income" That's generally how men think relationships are going to go, so the woman's income doesn't matter since he won't get a cent of it. Additionally, it increases pressure on the man to make more, since women are far less likely to be okay with being in the provider role.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:34 AM
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No its not By what metric? If the vast majority of jobs and vast majority of people can't reach it, how is it not a huge ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:21 AM
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Only 17% of households make over 6 figures. It's clearly a huge ask. I make well over that amount, but jesus christ people's income expectations are insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:15 AM
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Most women are fat. Most who are looking to date have children. Most women have already had sex by the time they leave high school or college. It’s not that different from her wanting to date a 6’0” tall guy when most single men around her aren’t that height. There is a fundamental difference. His examples are choices, your example is genetic. Women can choose to be thin, not have children, and abstain from sex. Men can't choose to get taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:13 AM
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So it'll be messy for a generation. Hardly a massive inconvenience. Plenty of women are still oppressed today, their suicide rate is not higher than the west. People adapt. It's not like women in kabul committed mass suicide
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 07:18 AM
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Most women won’t. History shows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 06:53 AM
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Partially your fault for putting yourself in that situation if you knew ahead of time, but absolutely her fault for going way over the top like that Oh yeah, 100%, I knew ahead of time. She absolutely suffered 0 consequences for it, but c'est la vie. Absolutely on my dumb ass for sleeping with her though. Interestingly my sister did recently show me a screenshot from a police bulletin out for her arrest, so that was funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:09 PM
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I do most of the approaching See that would be the solution, the more scared party should approach. But women refuse to do this in general. It's infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:49 PM
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I know the legal system is often awful but a lot of this applies to anyone accused of any crime Not really. If someone accuses me of stealing their car, it's pretty trivial for me to disprove it, and my friends won't believe it for a second. When it comes to sexual accusations, it's very different. Even people who know you will treat you differently. There is a big "where there is smoke there is fire" attitude about it. With regards to domestic violence, the duluth model means that there IS a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:45 PM
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If asking kills the vibe then those guys are screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:43 PM
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No, that phrase is warning men to not sleep with a girl just because she’s hot. Check that she’s not crazy too. Additionally, it puts the accountability on the man. If I sleep with a crazy chick and get stabbed, that is partially my fault (speaking from experience here) . Meanwhile women who sleep with crazy guys and get hit, often eschew all responsibility for their decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:27 PM
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Not really anymore. That’s changed a lot in the past 10 years
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:26 PM
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Let's say the government pays a reward for every rabbit corpse anyone provides Actually, we tested that IRL. The British in India offered a bounty on dead cobras to cull the cobra population. The number of cobras skyrocketed because breeding them created a way better income stream than just hunting them. Seeing as rabbits breed… like rabbits. The rabbit population would skyrocket. I get the point you were trying to make, but just a fun anecdote about how incentives don’t always go as you’d expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:22 PM
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The problem with that analogy is that in reality, they aren’t really surrounded by salt water. Young women are surrounded by options, but they insist on trying to drink out of the high risk cup that might be full of top shelf liquor, instead of just drinking water. There are plenty of average, boring guys who would make decent partners, but a lot of women, especially when young, are constantly looking for the top of the line, Ferrari of a guy. It’s not like these guys are obese neckbeards either…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:19 PM
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Don’t stick your dick in crazy takes accountability for the situation the person puts themselves in. If I stick my dick in crazy and get stabbed (speaking from experience) for my trouble, it’s partially my fault for doing the stupid thing. I accept that. Women are allergic to that kind of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:12 PM
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poof the love of my life dropped out of the sky. Literally survivorship bias
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:09 PM
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Getting their dicks wet so to speak is lower on maslow’s heirarchy of needs for them (and the actual heirarchy). They need it before they need the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:06 PM
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More sexually successful men are found to also need more misogynistic so yes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:57 PM
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And yet if you listen to women, those men are incredibly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:56 PM
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Is the girl you or an ex? Based on the 3 guys? They seem like the same model of midwesternish white guy. First photo is really hard since you barely see anything about him. But I’d call all of them “midwestern features, average to tall height”. Round features, facial hair. What I’d describe as a “teddy bear” look. So yeah, midwestern features, round faces and white. Even just that probably narrows you down to a small percentage of the male population. Additionally all of them have similar eyes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:32 PM
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Yea expecting women to respond in a technical manner when asked that question isn’t realistic, since most people don’t think like that Most women don't think like that. Press a guy, and he's far more likely to try and find a technical/mathematic answer to your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:59 AM
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can destroy existing attraction. which is irrelevant to men for whom there is none. I think it’s also easier to state traits like this because they are easy to describe I'm not so sure about that. There are words to describe them, women just tend to find those words uncomfortable and choose not to really use them. I'm sure if I looked at the 500 men I could find some pretty clear trends in the looks and describe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:56 AM
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We know it's fixable, the point is that it's pretty universally unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:54 AM
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Who cares? Women are insecure all the time and it’s tolerated. Men have 0 recourse if they are treated worse. They are right to be insecure about this
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:00 AM
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Man y’all must live in some safe neighborhoods Yeah, it’s called living in civil society instead of around fucking animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:29 AM
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To reduce sexual assault rates? Ignoring the difficulty of getting clear rates due to differences in reporting rates and definitions by country, you follow the example of developed countries (because undeveloped countries will likely have a very strict definition and lower reporting) with low rates. The best proxy that I can find is this index here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women,_Peace_and_Security_Index Strong rule of law is one. Much of the strength of rule of law is perceived as opposed…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:21 AM
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Education did something What evidence is there that it did something? As far as I can tell all it did was get men who weren’t predatory to stop approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:57 AM
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No, it’s simply ineffective. But since effective solutions require men to enforce them, women choose to believe that solutions that are ineffective work. It’s just delusions because the truth is harsh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:40 AM
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You started with the “Skyrim mods” whatabout. Why isn’t he okay to use the same tactic you did?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:19 AM
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Women need to believe “messaging and education” fixes everything because if you need to enforce anything, they invariably rely on men to do that at scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 04:18 AM
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Most dudes don’t have a 135 body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 03:55 AM
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I strongly suspect that a guy with a body count of 135 is good looking enough that he’ll probably still be reasonably attractive at 50. Not like George Clooney hit the wall at 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:06 PM
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If he doesn't want to commit, why would he have?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:02 AM
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But maybe if enough men start to confront it, then people will start to belive Men are still expected to compromise their bodily autonomy via the draft and conscription in much of the world. Society simply cares less about male victims of anything. The Empathy gap is huge. Men don't express this kind of stuff IRL because they have been trained that nobody will care, and women will be turned off, if they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:55 AM
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Meh, depends when they got into a relationship, and how good looking they are. If they are fucking gorgeous, their advice might suck since they are experiencing dating on "easy mode". Some of the people giving advice sound like boomers who's equivalent job advice is "go to the hiring manager and give him a firm handshake".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 05:34 AM
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The communication and skill gap is absolutely far more on women’s side. Let’s be honest. Far fewer women communicate what they want and actually do anything to get themselves off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:48 AM
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The primary reason is that women don’t communicate their needs and often don’t even know them. They also refuse to do anything but pillow princess a lot of the time. Only once that requirement is satisfied does responsibility fall on the man. In the end, as a guy, if I said I can’t orgasm through sex, I’ll get told it’s my fault anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:45 AM
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Because most women don’t communicate. They expect the guy to “just know”. They expect the man to do 100% of the work to get them off. It makes sex feel like a performance for the guy and she’s just judging. So each woman is personally responsible. If she fulfills her responsibility, then it falls on the guy. That’s how she’s always personally responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 02:37 AM
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Yeah? Most of them sabotage themselves by refusing to date any man shorter than them. Which means that they are competing with every other woman for the same tall guys. If taller women were generally fine with dating men shorter than them, it wouldn’t be an impediment. The percentage of men unwilling to date a woman taller than them is low.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:09 AM
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Women literally use virgin as an insult towards men all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:46 AM
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Horse… shit… Expanding the franchise doesn’t fly without the current holders of the franchise supporting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:32 AM
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When they agreed to give women the right to vote. That was 100% a dilution of their own political power to do what was right for women. From a purely self interested point of view, removing women’s right to vote would increase their political power.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:15 AM
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Yep there it is. Thank you for making it clear. Men need to stop acting like women will ever care about them as humans, and act in their own self interest only. Women’s opinions be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 01:09 AM
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Men listened because it was the right thing to do So they had empathy… Jesus Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:31 PM
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Men managed just fine for 6000 years without giving women formal political power in society. Seemingly having half the population hate you was fine. It obviously wasn’t that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:29 PM
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Women consistently say they don’t care about what is “fair”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:13 PM
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It’s like how most men say that they have a “crazy” ex too. It’s not like they’re seeking out crazy girls. Men have no problem admitting that it’s their fault they chose the crazy chick though. Women always act like it came out of nowhere. I got fucking stabbed by an ex, I think it’s safe to say she was crazy. If someone told me “you shouldn’t have stuck your dick in crazy”, i’d agree, looking back she was obviously crazy. Say the same thing to a woman and she’ll accuse you of victim blaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:58 PM
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could only ever possibly make a man truly and utterly miserable! I mean, he literally said that one couple was wholesome-wholesome. The problem is that most women tend to treat non-chad men terribly in relationships. The standards are way higher and the sex is scarce. Meanwhile chads can do what they like and their girlfriends will tolerate it. So you could make a man not miserable, it’s entirely within your control. Women usually choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:55 PM
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Women talk about their sex lives with other women in detail, and assume men do the same. They don’t. The most a guy will say is “I slept with her”. Meanwhile women seem to give details.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:49 PM
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Those men said empathy. Because it was the right thing to do. What now? Do you ever participate in this sub in good faith? All your comments are dismissing the comments of men in this sub and calling them assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:41 PM
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Men had no reason to give it...yeah, sure, shows what you think about women Go ahead then. What reason did men have to give it besides empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:39 PM
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Women got the vote because they fucking fought for it, but even if not, do you think this is something that shows empathy Men had no reason to give it. Women had 0 leverage. Women got it because when they complained, men listened and gave up political power. Prison sentence? Really? That's your example of men being empathetic to women?? No comment Yeah people tend to not have comments when they don’t have a rebuttal. It’s a pretty clear and measurable case of women receiving far more empathy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:31 PM
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Women got the vote, which was men agreeing to dilute their political power for 0 advantage. Clearly some men were empathetic enough to women to agree to dilute their political power for what was right. Women get incredibly lenient jail sentences compared to men. The gender sentencing gap is harsher than the racial one. What societal level examples of women’s empathy towards men can you give?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:59 AM
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And the well documented gender empathy gap shows that your empathy for a woman and your empathy for a man in the same situation will favour the woman dramatically. You are not special and immune to societal conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:55 AM
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Easy to say as the gender with easy access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:53 AM
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I love kittens It took me ages to parse that you were referring to my username. I was trying to figure out where my previous comment implied a lack of sympathy towards kittens for longer than I want to admit... so what sympathy do you think you need Really, the kind that creates change, instead of the type that acknowledges the problem but refuses to accept any difficulty to change it. As a specific example, women might be sympathetic to the fact that men have 0 reproductive rights post concepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:47 AM
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Yes, because he needs to be both. And if you are man failing at the looks stage. Your personality is irrelevant. So the only thing that will increase your chances is looks. That is what men are saying. Men who fail at the looks stage can have the best or worst personality, it doesn’t matter because the woman won’t even have a chance to see it. Men feel, based on their experience, that their major issue is failing at the looks stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:09 AM
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You want to have casual sex with women who don’t want to have casual No, men are happy to have casual sex with either. That is specifically what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:33 AM
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I mean anything based on OkCupid results is just not taken seriously by me, sorry Do you have any other studies where women rate men's attractiveness. Happy to see anything else. Not to mention, I don’t speak for those women, hence why I said that I can only speak for myself. That's nice, but I have no way of knowing that your definition of average isn't as skewed as what studies have shown. Do you have any evidence that your "Average" is actually "Average".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:29 AM
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And then you’re saying that’s not true I'm not saying that's not true. So basically truthful answer would be yes, you want these women. I want to have sex with these women... yes? Why wouldn't I? I'd rather have sex with a non-crazy woman, but seeing as I'm rarely in a position to have a choice between women, I'll take sex with the crazy one over nothing. So if you ask a guy "why do you want these women", the answer is "because the alternative is no sex at all".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:18 AM
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Men need sex. They prioritise sex to the point that they are historically willing to risk their lives for it. Whether they biologically will die without it is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:16 AM
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average looking dude When women rate men's looks, they rate 80% of men as "below average". Women don't rate men's looks on a bell curve, men tend to rate women's looks on a bell curve. So when men say "good looking", it's your definition of "average". So maybe you are both saying the same thing, but that your definition of average and above only encompasses 20% of men. https://www.stevestewartwilliams.com/p/how-men-and-women-rate-each-other
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:10 AM
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So you prefer relationship to casual sex Most men can't get casual sex. I prefer relationship to no sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:47 AM
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Raise. Your. Ambitions That's like telling an unemployed person to take no job over a job they don't like. That's the position of someone who is privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:46 AM
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Have you giving 18 year old women advice? They just ignore it. Tried it once with the younger sister of a friend of mine. Told her that the guy she was looking to date was obviously an asshole. My friend (Her older sister) agreed. She dated him anyway and got hit and assaulted within 3 weeks. Nobody called her out on ignoring the advice. Men have no control over young women, so they best thing they can do is make the best of a shit situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:37 AM
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So you agree that neanderthalcosmonaut is talking bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:32 AM
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Yeah you're not alone in your reaction to violence coming up. I always wonder- why do you have to go there? Seems like a desperate move. Doesn't make me afraid, angry but not afraid. Kills sympathy too. Many men don't feel like they get any sympathy anyway, not useful sympathy that actually changes their circumstances and outcomes anyway. Angry is better than indifference. Angry is better than sympathy that doesn't change practical realities. “The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:28 AM
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I've lost attraction to guys MANY times Which still requires you to be attracted to the guy first in order. to lose it. Most men fail at that first step.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:19 AM
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And you want these kind of women Compared to the nothing that many men get. Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:11 AM
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For having kids with? Yeah arguably. For sex? Nah. If women were having sex with but not marrying short men, men wouldn't complain much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:03 AM
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that mean thar when she starts to date she should make wait for a long time, tou know, to give her time to manoeuvre? Yeah absolutely. If it's her first relationship she should absolutely hold off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:21 AM
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If you don’t need that + social security (which is just a pension scheme from a European perspective) + public healthcare, then yeah, the birthrate issue isn’t a problem for you. Birthrates matter when people depend on government to fund their old age. If you can do it yourself, then it’s more or less irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:26 AM
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People who would need pensions and cheap healthcare to survive in their old age. People who need welfare and therefore need the tax base to support it. As someone who makes more than enough money to be fine long term, I notice that the people least concerned about the birthrate are often those who benefit most from and support social programs that rely a positive birthrate for their funding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:04 AM
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No? I do a job, they pay me money for it. It's a simple contract and both parties get precisely what they want out of it. Why would I hate it? I might not enjoy it but that's what the money is for. To give me a reason to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 09:00 AM
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women see a hot guy and look to see his profile is incompatible and don't Except chadfishing experiments showed that it's better to be an attractive admitted pedophile as a man than an average guy with a decent profile in terms of matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:38 AM
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Getting a match on a dating app is NOT the same as getting someone interested in dating you. It's the needed first step. A women with 10 matches and 5 "not interested" is still infinitely better off than a man with 0. But for a woman, most matches will either ghost you or only want sex if you are in the bottom 50% or so. So you are getting sex. Even if you aren't getting 100% of what you want, you are getting something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:36 AM
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the proportion of men they find attractive may be narrow but it certainly differs woman to woman. And men are arguing that it's differing less and less and is becoming narrower and narrower. Barring physical deformities or mental handicap, most men will lie somewhere in that attractiveness threshold for some number of women That was the case before. With the rise of OLD and the skyrocketing attractiveness standards women have of men due to the perception of more options available, that is changi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:33 AM
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take responsibility Responsibility? The Guy is killing himself. There is no responsibility left to take. He's taken 100% of it by offing himself and removing himself as a burden. Is your question who should prevent that situation from occurring? Wider society. You structure wider society to minimize such a situation. The suicide rate is increasing. Clearly there are societal models that have a lower suicide rate compared to the one we have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:29 AM
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because they talk about it constantly, daily on here, On the forum specifically about gender debate... It's like saying that you're being punished because people on a Knitting forum keep talking about common problems in knitting... And for all the talk about how unfair it is for women to judge new partners based on their past experiences with men, this is the exact same thing. And women are totally fine with it as long as it's women doing it. It's only men who call this behaivior out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:16 AM
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that I don't think suicide is a good thing I think suicide is neutral. I think the bad thing is creating a situation where someone feels like suicide is the only way out. And it is dramatic when outside, walking around, there seem to be plenty of ugly men and women happily married or coupled Because what you don't see are the invisible men who are alone and have no options. It's like saying the fact that people still go to baseball games means that the economy can't be that bad. The other thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:14 AM
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It’d make life a lot easier for everyone Depends on how harsh the "attractiveness barrier" is for most women. If that barrier got big enough, then assuming life would be easier for everyone is a stretch. More likely a bunch of unmarried young men with no chance for wives will respond the same way as that demographic has throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:09 AM
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well, I guess I'll just kms", I think I'll stick to not telling people they're too ugly for love lol That should be their right and their prerogative. People aren't entitled to other's contributions to society if society will exclude those people from love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 07:03 AM
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Well thats complex cause that would depend if you were actually baby trapped by a women Women can have unprotected sex, give birth to the baby and still unilaterally abandon them. How is that equal rights? I guess men need to keep records in birth control pills and just being mindful of keeping there condoms on them most of the time. I don’t think you understand how the laws work. Medical privacy means that he can’t do the former, and there is no exception for birth control sabotage. Hell there …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:06 AM
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No, that’s geopolitics. In your mind, if Russia refuses to back down, should the Ukrainians just let them in if they can’t beat them with entirely volunteer forces? What should they have done?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:37 AM
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And that depends are you good father according to the court and the women you was with? These cases require good evidence from either sides. You clearly don’t know what legal paternal surrender is… it has nothing to do with family court. Why are you talking so confidently about a concept that you don’t know about? Also no equal right does not give women "more rights" cause what more is there? Unilateral anonymous child abandonment post birth. Women are uniquely allowed, due to a mix of safe have…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:31 AM
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I don't really care about that. Yes, I figured “my basic ideology collapses when faced with competing ideologies and policies” is something you wouldn’t care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:29 AM
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“Equal rights” just means more rights for women. Did equal rights give men legal paternal surrender? No. Did it get rid of circumcision? No. Do women have to get conscripted? No. For these boys the practical implications of equal rights is “half of society has their treatment get better and I get nothing.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:20 AM
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Without the Ukrainian draft, Ukrainians would be drafted into the Russian army instead. The problem with feminists being anti war and anti military is that their ideology doesn’t stand up to any ideology that does believe in the military. The only result of suspending the draft in countries that need it is domination by a neighbor. If your system only works when nobody pushes back, it’s not a functional system.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 04:10 AM
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Which then leads to the point, you lost to that. The Republican Party are genuinely not very competent. And yet the left still managed to lose to it. How is that not a bigger indictment of left wing political acumen? They have literally never had an easier run at the presidency and they still managed to fuck it up. Do you think the Bill Clinton campaign would have fucked it up? The Obama campaign? Fuck no. They actually paid attention to the political winds and adjusted organically. Instead, lef…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:59 AM
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Okay, what would you need in terms of data to show that? Seriously, is there actual evidence you would accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:14 AM
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Australia is over 90% white. Kind of hard to see an attack against white men. It’ll be against men. As for Australian attacks against men. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888 Australia ran a study on gender blind hiring in an effort to hire more women. Turns out, men do better when their gender and name are left off their CVs, meaning that hiring managers are actually biased against them for their gender. Government resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:12 AM
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Isn’t that literally just Covid years? Where people couldn’t meet each other easily for hookups Literally the decade precovid has women getting more sex than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 11:41 AM
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There’s not a considerably large amount of women who like Jack Doherty, He's getting a hell of a lot more sex than 98% of men. They are not the same demographic of women as the ones who actually want a good partner. So? The average young man is getting next to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:26 AM
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They already do. It's just more normalised. It's why men are less likely to break-up marriages. Men are already more willing to be more unhappy in a relationship without blowing it up. In my experience if you removed the gender of the participants and described, objectively, how each person in a relationship talks and interacts with the other, women would be seen are less kind. If a woman slaps her boyfriend, it's usually seen as funny or justified. The opposite is considered domestic abuse. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:22 AM
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Yes, people who were under the previous regime don't get touched by the policy change. For example, changing the age to buy cigarettes from 18-21 might grandfather in 19 year olds. And in this case, it is still women demanding that their privilege be kept and that the country should be 58 BILLION to to allow them to keep it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:04 AM
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What happened to talking to some cute classmate That cute classmate will find you weird for trying to pick them up outside of a dating app. One side effect of covid isolation + dating apps is that the acceptable options for men to approach has effectively dropped to near 0. If she doesn't already find you really cute (in which case you could ask her out in the gym or the grocery store), she'll be FAR more guarded. I dated pre-2015 and post-2015, and women, including young women, are just FAR les…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:57 AM
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but the truth is virginity and sexlessness is rising for both men and women Far more for young men than young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:51 AM
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how can they care about sex so much Testosterone. Same reason men can't understand why women can't control their emotional displays consistently. Also we can't easily get it like women can. You'd care a lot more about getting food if you were starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:31 AM
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Some may complain that most women are only into looks while these men are unsuccessfully looking for supermodels themselves and have ignored non-models. You think if these average guys went on a dating app and right swiped on anyone they would get any average women as matches? Fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:25 AM
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Men usually do. Men are much more willing to admit that looks matter. "don't be fat" is so common that women complain about it and call it misogynistic to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:24 AM
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that the opposition was about the pension age not being grandfathered. Which is women complaining about their privilege (retiring early) being taken away. Women actively oppose equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:24 AM
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Do you think these men would be happy? Satisfied? Open to it? No, because it would not meaningfully improve his chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:13 AM
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That is the difference between red and black pill yes. No reason to conflate the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:10 AM
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https://waspi.co.uk/ WASPI women were a HUGE election issue during the Corbyn vs Johnson election in the UK. What are you on about? This is to the point that labour promised them an uncosted 58 BILLION dollars. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/23/labour-fifty-eight-billion-pound-pledge-women-pension-age-trap
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:54 AM
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being told that you are unlikely to get a relationship because of random chance and lack of advantages such as looks, socialization and wealth would normalise the lack of success and the sigma of being an unwanted male No it wouldn’t, because, as I said, young men will have their female peers to compare against. Those women will have no issue getting sex, which will cause jealousy and hate. It wouldn’t normalize it, it would just cause men to demand equality in that area, the same way wealth dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 06:36 AM
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The right doesn’t even need to solve them, they just don’t attack men. When your options are nothing or active hatred against you, you pick nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:54 AM
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It doesn’t have to do anything. It doesn’t have members who attack young men, and it competes against a party that does. Men have been warning for nearly a decade now that all the “white male” attacks would push away men. They were laughed at by left wingers. You can literally be the best politician in the world. If your side directly insults and attacks demographics, you won’t win that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:51 AM
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Meanwhile the other party at best ignored if not directly attacked them. When one side doesn’t even try to appeal to them at best and actively attacks them at worst, trump literally has to do nothing but say a couple words to be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 03:42 AM
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they are lucky if they get one .... that would do away with a lot of the aggravation failed young men have. No it wouldn’t. Young men would see their female peers have no issues getting relationships and sex if they want and would feel even angrier due to feeling lied to by their parents. Telling young men “just be happy without sex” will never work. It will make them angrier and go to people who offer them a way to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:55 AM
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Laws like these are what men’s rights folks should focus on because they’d get more support that way Not in Argentina, and not in the UK, where women were actively against equalizing the retirement age. Same in australia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 10:06 AM
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... Always? Talking to him is like talking to a brick wall. He's like a donkey in how stubborn he is. His punch is like a jackhammer. Managing these (male) programmers is like herding cats, you have to deal with their individual and incredibly specific needs. Choosing a personal trainer is like choosing a pair of shoes. A good fit, regardless of the sizing/rating, matters most. When doing an analogy with humans, your options for the analogy are inevitably going to be animals or inanimate objects…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:30 AM
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I find old men worthless like old horses. They just can’t be broken to the bit. Huh? Men compare themselves to old horses (more often old dogs) all the time. Why would we find that offensive? "can't teach an old dog new tricks" is a really common thing men say about themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:50 AM
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"You're a literal dog" would mean they never even value you as a human being to begin with Not understanding what an analogy is... once again. It's incredible how consistently women just... ignore analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:35 AM
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the guy doesn’t really want her to know more/the same about it, either. They want the woman who is just interested enough to make a good audience Because the man is often expected to be the entertainer. If women were actually attracted to men who were good audiences when they are young, then men might be less pressured to know more about a subject. I know plenty of young women who just refuse to actually research a topic or have in-depth knowledge about it. Meanwhile a young male friend could sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:29 AM
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If you want a flat stomach and that is your weight and height, you need to be building muscle. It means you are massively undermuscled if you have a bunch of belly fat at that weight. You are either overestimating your belly fat, or incredibly weak. Men get exactly the same response when in the same position you are by the way. They get called "skinnyfat". BMI is a pretty terrible fitness standard because it ignores muscle weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:20 AM
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If you are going to be a comedian, you're going to get criticism on your humour.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:15 AM
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With women's bar for "attractive" it obviously isn't. Women themselves will argue that most men aren't attractive to them. That they are only interested in a small proportion of men just due to a single genetic factor (height). It's only in conversations like these where women act like the "attractiveness" bar isn't sky high.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 01:15 AM
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He didn't ask for consent before checking you out, he assumed it. The fact that you are okay with him assuming consent because you would have said yes had he asked is not principled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:04 AM
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I mean it’s been years and nothing untoward has ever been alleged and we follow the child safety rules to a T. I drive and have never gotten into an accident, that doesn't make it not a risk. but if you follow the safety rules you will never be alone with a child without another adult Which are useful to reduce the chances. However, please do concede that if your husband failed to follow the rules and an allegation occured, he would be in far hotter water than you. You can both wear seat belts, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:25 PM
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And yet, no consequences for something that a guy would get suspended for if he openly did it to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:21 PM
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The sex is often mediocre Mediocre sex is better than no sex for men. Men take responsibility for their own orgasm after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:12 PM
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Which is wonderful until an incident occurs. A kid says something questionable about you and it'll be laughed off. A kid says something questionable about your husband and all bets are off. Having been in the scouts as a kid and having run boy scout camps, it's always been the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 01:04 PM
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They are the only way that is quantifiable, and they are the unfortunate plurality of how young people experience dating today. The venues for IRL dating have really died off. Remember like a quarter of couples met at work previously, something that is just far too high liability today.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 08:53 AM
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My suggestion would be for men to be a little less liberal with their right swipes That doesn't work though, because it's a prisoner's dilemma. Men who are less liberal just lose out to those who are, since women don't get to see the right swipe ratio. They also say that they are more likely to respond to someone who took the time to write something meaningful Men can't write something meaningful if they are left swiped on in the first place. I don't think you get how these apps work. The men li…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:46 PM
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Maybe they should make an effort to be better Why? Is your answer to increased wealth inequality, "maybe the poor should just be better"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:35 PM
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If men have to do more work than they did before to get a girlfriend, that is dating inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:24 PM
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Men can want to not compete against every other man in the city. Men can want a system that actually results in sex being at least somewhat more flatly distributed (the pre-dating app world).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:23 PM
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By definition, expanding an option set is almost always going to improve the options available.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:20 PM
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For example, if me and my 3 closest girlfriends were to look at a group of 100 dudes, there are probably 10 we're all attracted to, 10 no one picks and the other 80 with a mix of 1-3 of us are attracted to. That math probably doesnt work exactly, but thats kinda what I see when my ladies and I chat. Those numbers are almost definitely off. I’m willing to bet that if we ran that exact experiment blind by giving the 4 of you the same 100 men from a dating app and getting you to swipe naturally rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:11 PM
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Again, this assumes the father is informed about the pregnancy. How can he put himself on the registry, if she had no duty or intention to inform?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:34 AM
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If she gets pregnant, she can change her mind on the spot and boom, previous agreement is worthless. In my country, if you are married and she cheats and decides to have the baby. As the married spouse, you are the automatic father and paternity tests are illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:34 AM
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The guy “assuming it was romantic” in this case doesn’t feel genuine because that intention wasn’t stated. So platonic intentions have to be explicitly stated? Or do you get to have that as the “unspoken” default.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 03:33 AM
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Nope, they don’t. Find me one case of a woman being prosecuted for not informing the father before abandoning the child at a safe haven. Point me to the law that allows punishment for women who fail to inform the father before dropping off a baby at a safe haven.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:43 AM
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Paper abortions fuck over an already existing kid Not if done within the abortion window. Then there is, as you put it, no existing kid at the time. If a woman decides to go through with the pregnancy, she is the one fucking over the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:42 AM
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Men can challenge attempts to do so, even at safe havens Not if the woman doesn’t inform him of the birth, which medical privacy laws mean that she doesn’t have to. A man can’t challenge what isn’t disclosed to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:40 AM
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Because he might still not want children? Even after marriage? Does marriage give him more reproductive rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:38 AM
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If you don't want to be friends with someone bc they aren't interested in dating, just... stop hanging out with them. Then you get called an asshole by women. There is no winning. I’m literally doing that now to a woman and she’s losing her mind at me because she’s losing her “therapist”. A position she unilaterally put me in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:27 AM
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He ONLY wants to be her sexual partner. If he can't be her sexual partner, he doesn't want her at all. And she only wants to be his platonic partner. She doesn’t want him at all if there is any sexual component. That’s just as fucking hurtful. It tells the man that he’s just not attractive enough to be sexually desired. Especially if plenty of women want to be his “friend” but none want to be anything more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:16 AM
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When men insult a woman who rejects them. Women lose their minds in anger. Do other women just go “who cares”?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:14 AM
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Once they find someone they’re willing to deal with, they’re less likely to want to roll the dice with a new guy because of the risk, high barrier to entry, etc Modern women cheat as much as men. Additionally, women initiate 70-80% of divorces, and lesbian marriages divorce at 3x the rate of gay ones. Women absolutely just change partners quicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:08 AM
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Like you can stop being friends and cut contact if you want, but its still a dick move because you showed the other person your affection to them was conditional to it being romantic, when they were under the impression that it was entirely platonic and invested into that It’s not a dick move. The guy’s assumption was that it was romantic, her assumption was that it was platonic. Both were wrong. Women can’t both say that they prefer warm approaches and not expect men to attempt to befriend them…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:06 AM
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If a you want a relationship with someone and they don't want one with you, don't have that person in your life. It's truly that simple. Hah, women get furious and call you an asshole when you enforce this. I’m dealing with a girl losing her fucking mind at me right now, because I decided I no longer wish to play therapist for her. A position she unilaterally put me in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 01:00 AM
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Increased young male singledom and sexlessness. The traditional stepping stone before civil strife.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:19 AM
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They absolutely have. You can see it in young male singledom and sexlessness rates. Height standards have inflated the most. It’s not like the internet didn’t exist in 2007, we just didn’t see women write “men under 6ft shouldn’t exist” on their Facebook and MySpace walls.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:18 AM
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Discrimination by sex is absolutely illegal. What are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 07:16 AM
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Honestly, though I disagree with your groupings, they probably won't in America because Americans are stupid and will vote for all kinds of things that will make their lives worse I’m genuinely curious. Do you think older women will side with younger women here? Because then you have a much more charitable view than I do of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:20 AM
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If you can discriminate by gender, you can discriminate by race. Just have to show the same disproportionate harm. I love how quickly the discussion is shut down the moment the same logic is applied to a group that isn't men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:57 AM
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then men are evil Meh, calling them evil won't change anything. Plus women already think this. They choose the bear remember. We're well past the point where these moral arguments have much weight. Young men already feel demonised by society anyway. So then men are entitled They aren't entitled, they are fighting for what they want. People don't only fight for what they think they deserve (which is the definition of entitlement). I don't really think women are willing to "take the hit" of being …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:49 AM
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You're making the assumption that men need to be presented with a pussy in order to have "social investment." Why is their "investment" only through the womb of a woman? I don't require a dick to care about others Historically, that has been true. Rulers would go to long lengths to make sure young men had wives. Why would this change today? People are the same they have ever been. If young men can't get wives, they'll change society until they can. Government funded pensions are going to decreas…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:39 AM
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"Societal harm" is purely evaluated through a lens of men's ability to dump loads into women and us subsequently shitting children out. This framing also isn't "holy canon" No, it's viewed through a lens of social unrest and stability. You are making the assumption that a large number of single young men with no social investment has no negative effects. It's not "logic" to continue a fundamentally inane and pointless system It is if people don't accept functional alternatives. For example, in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:26 AM
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Appreciate that you acknowledge it's a possibility. That's rather exceptional. Just to elaborate a little, that's what men mean when they say that a lot of men are "invisible" to women. It's not that women are purposefully ignoring them, but rather that just by virtue of how social interactions and circles work, the least successful men are practically never interacting with women in a social manner. That causes many women to have a distorted "average" when it comes to men due to selection bias.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:23 AM
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or at the very least take it out on the women who have ACTUALLY rejected you Really? You'd be okay with men responding to rejection like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:01 AM
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What's it called when men say female attraction and standards are wrong; bad; and should be changed ("lowered," "adjusted," "reevaluated," "more realistic" and other euphemisms) because they're different than men's? Logical. Women (and men's) attraction standards changed dramatically even since the 90s and 00s. If those standards cause societal harm, it makes sense to change society to try and change them back. They aren't holy canon. What's it called when men clamor on and on and on about the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:59 AM
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you just said one group responds to emotional distress violently though Correct. Men are more likely to respond with violence in situations of high emotion. However, those situations are far rarer, than say, women crying. To illustrate, if your "emotional feeling bar" was between 0-100. An average woman might start crying at 40. An average man might show little to no emotional response at 40, but start fighting at 80/90. If men started fighting at the same level as women started crying, the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:54 AM
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How is it giving men less space Because women are still free to go on the mixed cars. It's no different to having a White only car car because black people were found to be more likely to commit harm on the subway. But it's the same number of people and cars. so it's not a problem right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:50 AM
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By that logic, should we have "White only" cars if it's shown that black people are disproportionately likely to commit harm on the subway?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:49 AM
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and leave when their wives get ill in droves Anyone still spreading this retracted study should really be temp banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:30 AM
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Doesn't that just tell you that you are in a social bubble? Logically, as a woman the men you would speak to tend to self sort already to be more likely to be socially successful. The guys who have trouble with women are less likely to be in your social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:10 AM
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They manage them differently. Arguably better. Just like how a child learns to stop crying every time they feel the urge to, guys learn earlier to control how they respond to emotion. There is a hormonal argument that women feel more emotion sometimes, but in general, men just generally control their response to most emotions more effectively due to longer practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 02:06 AM
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Most men don’t get hookups, so… yeah, no idea where you got the idea that men have seperate lines. We just do our best and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:29 PM
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Isn’t it means that a woman is a good maid Not really a consideration for wife material. We can hire maids. Seriously, i’ve never seen a woman clean well and thought she’d make a good wife. You could have at least gone with cooking. could be average, someone he hasn’t considered for hooking up Typical woman line of thought. Men would hook up with average attractiveness women. If we’ll marry you, we’ll hook up with you. Only women have a higher hookup bar. Or that he couldn’t actually lock down a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:24 PM
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Yeah, it's always interesting when most young men decide they don't like society. "may you live in interesting times" indeed. What's fun is that a lot of countries are having that problem at once too. India, China, the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:06 PM
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Wife material is not an insult largely because it instantly means hookup material too. It's a pure upgrade. It just means that they'd actually want to spend time with you and risk marrying you rather than just wanting to sleep with you. It's generally women who's husband material circle isn't completely in the hookup material one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:56 PM
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Honestly I think we're getting to that point where enough groups in society are starting to lose investment for various reasons. The green hatted plumber's popularity might just be a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:54 PM
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You somehow convince the government that you getting laid more helps them and I bet they come through. That's where the "burn the system down if they don't get what they want" part comes in. Governments will do anything they can to not piss off a large enough number of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:32 PM
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So it’s just looks, not “kindness”. Which is precisely what is being argued here. So women‘s advice about personality and kindness is bullshit, what makes the difference is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 11:40 AM
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The other forms of fairness also required that men had to do stuff against their will. Many men in the world are still required to put their bodies on the line against their will via conscription. So compromising bodily autonomy for the greater good is still considered acceptable when it comes to men. You can also just change society so that women have fewer options in who to date/sleep with. It's not like the drop in young male sexlessness and increase in singledom coincides with women's rights…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:38 AM
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Prime? As it, absolute top of their lives in looks? Typically 16-25. Some have a glow up between 25-30. Rare past there. Generally the drop in looks is pretty slow (very much depends on the girl of course) between 25 and 35, but then for many it drops dramatically past that point. I prefer "peak" as opposed to "prime" though. Describes the graph better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:32 AM
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And what you don’t understand is that you are one turn away from losing your rights too. As soon as you decide might makes right? That’s the day you’ve signed your life over to a stronger man to take every thing you own. All you libertarian testosterone fueled men think you’ll be at the top of the cock wall but then you get old and sick or ambushed. I think you miss that men are fine with that If the option is the current situation where many men have 0 chance with women due purely to genetics, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:24 AM
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Any guys with a sex drive is pretty desperate for sex and most guys are lonely too so women offer guys what they truly want and need. But these guys just drain a womens life. So basically, all women offer is sex. And we are surprised that men only consider sex to be an acceptable thing to confirm that women actually like us?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:11 AM
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3 or 4 depending on the timing. Typically they start as friends of friends. Then for some reason they confide in me and realize that they enjoy doing that. 3/4 call me their "therapist". I'm not, I literally just listen and respond normally, sometimes break down their questions. I'm not even particularly "nice" to them. Generally rather honest and direct with my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:54 AM
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so hard to accept Accept laying down? Because people generally don't accept that they will never have a chance at advancement purely by the lottery of birth. Women didn't just "Accept" it when their gender meant they couldn't work certain jobs, or do certain things. If men start to feel like society doesn't work for them and isn't worth investing in, they'll change it. As they have done throughout history. Historically, rulers used enforced monogamy, religion and social structure in order to put…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:29 AM
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and lame) Agreed. Hence why i'm trying to move out of that situation by no longer being kind to these women and listening. I'm sure they will be very accepting of this new boundary and not accuse me of being an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:24 AM
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There are plenty of men who women are happy to complain to and confide in but not happy to sleep with. It's exhausting because they think that I can be used like a free therapist because I bother to listen. And if I put down a boundary i'm the asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:46 AM
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Fyp- For you page - your social media algorithm that you train. I'm talking about women in real life that I interact with. They feel comfortable saying this shit in front of me for some reason. This isn't from social media, it's from women saying this shit in group settings and in private. Maybe it'd be better if u asked someone irl who can see you 1st let them know what are u looking for/desiring? So they know how to help u. Have you... tried doing that with women as a man? Generally they just …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:55 AM
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Add some happy women and couples to ur FYP? I rarely see all men are trash in my FYP like maybe 3 a year ? Bar is in hell does come across my FYP sometimes but it's usually funny and after the woman is mutually attracted to the guy. What is an FYP? sexier and cooler Sorry but answering "how do I look sexy" with "Look sexier" is making me laugh really fucking hard. workout Done bathe Done dress nice Kind of vague to be honest. seem safe The number of women who seem to trust me in what should be "…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:32 AM
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What is this obsession with fairness? Women demand fairness in tons of parts of life. Generally areas where they historically were on the losing end. Work, school. Why can't men demand fairness in areas they are disadvantaged in?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:13 AM
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Cool, then that is their choice, and society's failure to accomodate them. If they are willing to sacrifice their life to take revenge on a society that scorns them, I can't say I don't understand. If we are now admitting that we lie to these men. What happens when that lie unravels? As communication becomes more prevalent and more and more men realize the lies they've been fed, how does that not result in Elliot Rodger en masse?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:10 AM
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They’re not talking to you, so you don’t have to hear it They literally are. I have women calling me to complain about this shit. It's exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 05:03 AM
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But you can look to history at population collapses, like Ireland after the potato famine and Western Europe after the Black Death to show that society doesn’t just “collapse” because people stop having gaggles of kids. Population’s generally just stabilize around a new baseline. These places didn't have social support and pension systems that relied on a growing population in order to be funded and for the resources that support them to exist. That's the primary difference. The population colla…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:47 AM
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It's not a problem because there is no solution that doesn't involve coercion. We are fine with forcing men to compromise their bodily autonomy through coercion when it comes to conscription and selective service. Men in Ukraine are experiencing that right now. Because it's for the good of the nation. Why are women exempt?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:42 AM
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The real solution is creating an alternative economic system that doesn’t rely on perpetual population growth Changing that system would require dismantling existing pension and social support systems that rely on that model to function. Models exist that don't rely on that assumption (singapore's CPF with regards to pensions for example), but you'll be screwing over current retirees to do it. Retirees vote a lot so it's politically unfeasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:39 AM
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The majority of women - avg women- are in relationships with men they attracted to and are nice to them and they like. Not if you hear women talk about men. Most of it just complaining how "all men are trash", "The bar is in hell". Also another factor is this advice is given from the thought process of mutual attraction first then proceed with the goal of a relationship. And for men the problem is getting the attraction in the first place, so why do women keep giving the wrong advice for the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:34 AM
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Women sleep with men they find attractive Which means that personality has fuck all to do with it. So “be nice” is bullshit. Since the attractive unkind guy gets sex while the unattractive kind guy gets the complaints. Being kind won’t make a difference. but unless I think ur sexually repulsive/unattractive (short, fat,bald,ugly,smelly) I like how people here try to gaslight short men to think that their height isn’t the problem, but here it is, out in the open. At least your are honest. That’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:14 AM
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Men are picky, probably just as women really Swipe rates on dating apps show the opposite. Every speed dating event results show the opposite. There is practically no evidence that shows that men are as picky as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:09 AM
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send them down the wrong path Why would it be the wrong path for them? Why does society deserve their cooperation?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:08 AM
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The Advice to "be kind" is for the third category. An unattractive person has BETTER chances if they are at least kind. If you are in the right place & time, while a woman is in need of some kindness... You have a chance To be friendzoned. Women are perfectly happy to use a guy for emotional support, then go fuck the unkind and attractive guy. Then go back to the kind guy when the other guy is unkind to complain about him. Then if the kind guy expresses interest, she’s offended and “betrayed”. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:46 AM
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Also most men (young) look fine as in not like a toad so there is likely to be some woman who is attracted to you in ur environment Men have been hearing this all their lives. “Oh some woman would be interested in you but not me” . Meanwhile, they see the same men get to sleep with practically every woman. Somehow the argument of “oh someone will be attracted to you just not me” seems like a shitty platitude, maybe even a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:42 AM
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It’s a significantly lower standard. Attractive for men is basically just the woman being average and above. Almost entirely comes down to “don’t be fat” with a couple preferences here and there. Practically every woman can meet that bar. Women’s attractiveness bar is significantly higher and excludes a majority of men who can’t genetically reach it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:33 AM
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Studies have repeatedly shown where women are not shamed they are more open for sexual activity But not with who. That’s the part you’re ignoring. That more sex is happening, but only the top men are benefiting from it. A puritan society where women only sleep with their husbands (simplification), is going to end up with a much more equal sex distribution. If women having more sex meant most men were having more sex, that would be something, but what men are experiencing is that women having mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:21 AM
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Make sex less costly for women then. Don't call women sluts. Don't talk about n counts. Close the orgasm gap. Sex is less costly than it was historically. Despite this, the distribution of sex has only concentrated. There is very little evidence that making sex less costly for women won’t just end up with the top 20% of men just getting even more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:04 AM
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I equally dont know why its so hard for guys to just understand this implicitly, Because women often explicitly deny it when it's pointed out? Are we just meant to ignore what women say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:23 AM
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You guys say it as if most men dont pass that looks threshold. They do We literally have swipe data from dating apps showing that no, most guys don't. When given a free market, women will only consider 5-10% of men worth even giving a chance to talk to and evaluate their other characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:19 AM
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Which means that the problem for men who can't get any isn't personality as women usually say, it's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:18 AM
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Because men respond to emotional distress differently? If one group is more emotional, but only one group responds to emotional distress violently, you'd only see violence from one group. If men shot up schools as often as women broke down crying, there would be no school kids left.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:05 AM
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red pill content creators talking about women and accountability They are talking about their interpretation of those facts and their implications. Not the facts themselves. Most discussion on any topic about the interpretation of facts as opposed to discussing the facts themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:57 AM
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No. Literally no. I know this is a weird example but I am looking to buy a pink formal dress. I go to a site that has formal dresses I use a filter for color. But I also want it to be floor length, second filter. I don't like halters, asymmetrical shoulders or strapless dresses, third filter. This leaves me with still a handful of dresses to review that fit my criteria. I wouldn't pick ANY pink dress. Just like I wouldn't pick any man I was attracted to. A guy could be attractive but really into…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:44 AM
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I’m making this about “violence”. A boxer who knocks someone out with one punch is not more violent than someone who wails their arms pointlessly. He’s more competent. The statement I was contesting was that men were more “violent” in relationships. Don’t move the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:30 AM
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No, only sleep with people who you’d later not complain are “toxic” or “abusive”. Plenty of men who wouldn’t hurt a fly who get 0 action. Women just consider them “boring”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:28 AM
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. Caring about looks isn't shallow but only caring about looks probably is. Here’s the problem. If you are cutting out a massive proportion of men with your looks requirement, then you are selecting largely for looks. Any additional filters won’t really matter past that. And given the choice, women generally seem to filter incredibly harshly by looks first, far harsher than men. Men’s looks requirement is much lower, and largely attainable by most women, so men having a looks filter doesn’t chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:17 AM
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Literally “choose better”. Stop sleeping with men who you’ll later claim were “toxic” or “abusive”. If you sleep with someone, and it just doesn’t work out but they are good overall, no issue. In fact, talk about those men a little more, the negativity bias gives the impression you only sleep with assholes. To achieve this “choose better”: Prioritize personality over looks instead of having an incredibly high looks bar that most men can’t meet, and then having a personality bar that, as most wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 03:09 AM
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No, getting sex is “getting away with it” from the perspective of an average guy not getting sex. Just because he didn’t get the absolute best result, doesn’t mean that the result he got wasn’t better than what the average guy gets (nothing). Women don’t have any scarcity in sex, so they don’t view it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 02:07 AM
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“Average” if you prefer. I was using your terminology. but in most cases the kind caring quiet nice person wouldn't want those people in a viable relationship Literally your word. I’m saying the kind, caring person is still getting no sex in comparison to the asshole .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:27 AM
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However the unspoken side is that men are equally guilty of this. Every evil woman I've ever known has been in A relationship with a "good" who clearly knew what she was. It’s very spoken. If women asked men, “how do I get laid” how many would say “work on your personality”? Men would tell her to lose weight. Men’s advice to women is consistent with their actions, women’s advice isn’t. That’s the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:21 AM
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After sex typically. If the women are breaking up after sex these men are already doing better than nice men who get no sex. That is absolutely getting away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:18 AM
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So, again, for men getting nothing, these criminals would still get more sex than them from these mentally ill women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:16 AM
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Are you confident these brash asshole guys aren't also attracting brash asshole women themselves? Because I commonly see them flock together. You might consider this their rewards, since they get their date and sex, but in most cases the kind caring quiet nice person wouldn't want those people in a viable relationship Whatever the result, the assholes are getting sex and the nice ones are often getting nothing. That’s the incentive structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 01:13 AM
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I’m… perfectly fine in dating? Where did I say that I can’t get sex? Assholes get sex, average men get nothing. That means women treat assholes better than average men. This is not hard. Caring about women doesn’t get you sex. Looks do stop bullshitting. Misogynist, good looking assholes, get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 10:32 AM
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Maybe you are meaning it’s more difficult to have a second family based on the cost, but men are out there impregnating and leaving their kids (and their baby mama) to fend for themselves This isn’t the same as cheating though. This doesn’t result from cheating, it usually results from the relationship breaking down or the man not wanting to be a father. A man who abandons his child isn’t a cheater, he’s a deadbeat. Maybe you are meaning it’s more difficult to have a second family based on the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:41 AM
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Right so no woman has ever been in a comparable situation where her husband has fathered a secret child from an affair and is subsequently paying family resources for the upkeep of that child. "Family resources" you mean his resources? How would she not see that money is disappearing from the joint account otherwise? Also, that scenario is incredibly rare compared to paternity fraud which is up to 5% of the population. Much harder to hide a second family than the paternity of a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:16 AM
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They take this in and want to be about revenge. How people respond to facts doesn't invalidate the truth of those facts. If those men accept those truths and decide that they don't want to live in a society where those are the facts, that's perfectly valid. WE shouldn't be hiding truths just because people might respond to them poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:39 AM
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Literally contentless rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 08:25 AM
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So average women can get casual sex but average men can't. Got it. so they should accept their fate with grace Why? Why not just change society to be more equal in this regard? There is no reason why average men should just lay down and take an inequality like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:57 AM
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What do you expect women to do about it? Not call men who date younger women or aim for younger women pedophiles? That's a pretty common response. And it's not like "everyone else" has engaged in casual sex and you're the only one who missed out Most women had the option, he didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:54 AM
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is that men are more violent and that’s why women suffer more That's actually incorrect in terms of domestic violence. Men are more successfully violent. In that when they want to cause damage via violence, they do it more often. However, Half of domestic violence is reciprocal, and for the half that isn't, women are more often the only party being violent. The difference is in result. More women die and get seriously injured from domestic violence because men are stronger. If we both have pisto…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:44 AM
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What's happening to men in this scenario that's not happening to women exactly Paternity fraud. Practically impossible for a woman to experience that from a cheating husband. That is the thing that is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:41 AM
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Women are opting out more and more to engage with men. And it doesnt matter how hot they are Except that isn't true. Hot men still get plenty, hell, more sex than they ever did. The reality doesn't follow your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 07:36 AM
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With mindsets like these is it really that surprising that women reject men What we know is that mindsets like this are not a barrier for hot men. Hot men can actively hold these positions, and still get sex, so the reality is that the main barrier for men is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:49 AM
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There's a strong cultural/environmental component to male and female preferences, though In theory you absolutely could. And I do believe that a culturual/environmental situation could arise where women's preferences aren't so narrow that the majority of men are "unattractive". So the question is ultimately whether you can get a stable and thriving monogamy system with high pairing rates where both genders feel that the sacrifices made by each gender are roughly equal overall and 'fair'. I suppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 05:36 AM
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Which is why MEN are experiencing a loneliness "epidemic" and the birthrates are declining Yes, and your assumption that the loneliness epidemic won’t cause men to vote or otherwise fight to change a system that doesn’t suit them is optimistic at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:36 AM
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sides. If you better align mate competition incentives with pro-social behavior, does this end up requiring a much greater sexual sacrifice on the part of women than men? Sure, any change would be a sacrifice since currently “any limitation on their ability to mate completely freely without social backlash” would be a change. Can’t really get much better than “total freedom”. Men still have social duties that infringe on their bodily rights (conscription and selective service), so it’s hardly un…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 03:28 AM
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His specific profile wouldn’t get any likes either… so it obviously has nothing to do with being specific or generic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:44 AM
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Women do have a choice, and if they choose to sleep with men when they don’t disclose their intention that this will be casual sex, but do sleep with them when they don’t, they are teaching men not to disclose. Choices come with responsibility. If women choose to have casual sex, then men can respond to that choice too. You get the behavior you encourage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:39 AM
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99% of women will vanish (understandably) There is the problem, women punish honesty. Men are looking for a woman who doesn’t hate men and has a low count for a relationship. If casual sex wasn’t normalized, it wouldn’t be expected. Men now know that women are willing to have casual sex with men they are attracted with, so why would they settle for a woman who isn’t attracted (not willing to have casual sex). Previously, your reputation would cover this. If she didn’t have a casual sex reputatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:15 AM
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Men don’t have power in the dating market though. Just like someone with little experience and employable skills has no power in the job market. We don’t consider that “voting for dictators”. Women do have power in the dating market. Far more than men. That means that if the market is shit, it’s absolutely more their fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:50 PM
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“Good” is based on what society considered good. The issue is that men who do what women say “good men” do, aren’t rewarded. Women who did what men said “good women” did, were rewarded with marriage. Men were consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:43 PM
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Outsized power means outsized responsibility. Both employers and employees are to blame for the current dysfunctional job search market, but most blame is aimed at employers because they have outsized power over the people they hire. Men might have some say, but typically a man is picking between one woman or nothing, whereas women tend to have access to multiple suitors. No different than the employee/employer power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:36 PM
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Do you think that men make dating choices based on prosocial behavior and only good, well behaved women are selected by men? How come this bullshit only goes one way? Because women are the primary choosers in relationships. Not men. They have outsized power in the dating scene. I notice you ignored the eat the rich question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:31 PM
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So it is entirely men’s fault that women are graspy gold diggers and demand all sorts of money and expensive dates, right? Men who enable this are actively called simps and derided by other men, so yeah. But the reality is that women have outsized choosing power in modern romantic relationships. It’s like how you can blame employers more than employees for the current state of the job market and job search situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:30 PM
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Picket fence and good earning generally meant upper class historically. Upper class men tended to marry more carefully, and you had to fall into a very specific definition of “good woman” to really be a candidate. They’d fuck any class of woman. But marriage was more often reserved for “good” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:27 PM
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Cool, so anyone who says “eat the rich” is obviously a “jealous petty asshole” right? Can men be upset that women’s dating choices are creating an incentive structure that doesn’t reward pro social and good behavior and instead purely rewards men that won the genetic looks lottery regardless of their goodness? Thereby destroying an incentive for men to be pro social and good?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:56 PM
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Not really. Pretty, but known to not be “good” didn’t get you very far in proper society. You’d get sex but upper class men generally married carefully. Or manipulative I mean yeah, if you can convince people you’re a good woman. Then “good women” are being rewarded. Or rich, Or with a noble name. That was one of the criteria of being a “good woman” yes. We’re agreeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:47 PM
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There were tons of reasons for a man to marry. Sure there were. But if you wanted your “picket fence and good earning husband”. You typically needed to be a “good” woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:38 PM
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Getting bitter and angry that you don't have something others have shows you not a good person either. I can point you to millions of people who are angry at billionaires and trust fund kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:37 PM
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Societally it is. Sorry, just how it is. If women only slept with bald men. The number of shaved heads would skyrocket. Sex is absolutely a social reward mechanism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:34 PM
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like do guys "reward" good personality Historically they actually did. They’d only marry good women. Women who weren’t good were shunned for marriage. Then women called that shaming. But it was a pretty common thing for a lot of history. I’m sure you’ve heard the old timey phrase “no man would want to marry you if you act like x”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:32 PM
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Huh, I agree with you on something. Weird. Yeah, it should be. We’ve moved so far in the “everyone do what they want” that the fact that people still live in a society is ignored. Being a good citizen and person is not rewarded at all, and the societal incentives that current relationship culture gives men are… not great.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:25 PM
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I asked what you would think about this hypothetical scenario I told you, as a man, I have no way of knowing. All I know is that you are making me wait, so I have to assume that it's the more common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 02:35 PM
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. At 18 she was probably not looking for something serious and thus slept with the dude on the first date Sounds like guys should try and date younger women then. Since he won’t have to jump through hoops. I don’t see how women’s behavior (as an aggregate) doesn’t incentivize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:25 PM
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Practically never happens, and since the guy won’t know; it’s safer to assume the more common situation. The common existence of women who’ll hookup with a sufficiently hot guy immediately and make “relationship material” men wait means that the exceptions won’t get the benefit of the doubt. Just like you won’t give me the benefit of the doubt if I say or do something on the date that would cause you to question your safety (your primary concern typically). You might be misunderstanding, but you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 01:23 PM
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So again, the attractive guy got her 18 year old self on the first night with no requirements, whereas the less attractive guy has to wait and pass a bunch of shit tests. That’s exactly what red pillers say is happening. Basically, if she makes you wait, she’s not that into you, and will make your life harder for no benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:01 PM
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Because being honest won’t get them a hookup in any situation they otherwise wouldn’t. It’s entirely negative for a guy’s hookup chances to be honest about it. Even women who would have hooked up with him might not if he’s honest about it, meaning that women don’t want honesty based on their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 12:00 PM
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So if I show you dating app profiles that specifically require that, will you change your opinion? Or is it just because no woman has said it out loud to you unprompted?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 11:58 AM
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How could he possibly give an example of someone who isn't a celebrity? You aren't going to know about his acquaintance Tim who gets sex despite the fact that he's a known abuser and womanizer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 07:53 AM
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I think I heard he drugged his victims By Giving them a drugged drink, so these guys took a drink from a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:55 AM
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No I don't think they're severely underestimated If the number of rapes are underestimated, why wouldn't the number of false rape accusations be? Both are hard to prove with any certainty, and false rape accusations have to beat 2 hurdles in order to be considered valid. Both that the rape didn't happen and that the woman lied about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:54 AM
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How can women be rewarding behavior that hasn't happened yet Hasn't happened "To them". Many women will date a man who is an asshole to Everyone else. The woman only stops liking it when the guy starts being an asshole to her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:41 AM
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promise, I know so many women who are with shorter guys. Great, now try going on a dating app and see the difference in experience when you are 5'6 and 6'4. No changes to photos whatsoever. When I add one inch to my height (5'11 to 6ft) I quadruple my matches. The existence of exceptions to the rule doesn't change the brutal feedback guys under 6ft get on the most common form of dating. The fact that a woman might be willing to date someone her height assuming everything else is perfect, doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 06:05 AM
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Because he already passes the looks barrier by being 6'3.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:53 AM
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Women in my social circle dump assholes so fast you wouldn’t even believe Meh, half the time they got sex first, which is better than a lot of men. So even after being dumped they still are doing better than a big proportion of young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:43 AM
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Then, they should become a desirable man When all the actual feedback they get (from actions not words) is that they are just too short to get any visceral attraction. What the fuck do you want them to do? It's 100% out of their control, and unlike women with make-up, using anything to compensate for their genetic looks causes women to get pissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:40 AM
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Only if they are treated the same in the relationship as the attractive men. If women have sex with the attractive guy on the first date, but make the less attractive guy wait 3 months, then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:39 AM
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Ummm its extremely weird to prefer someone 10years younger than you No, it’s not weird, and men’s historical choices when choosing women shows it’s not weird. That is pretty standard for men. Just because women don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:15 PM
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but if one person should say plainly, “I want to keep improving our relationship as we go on,” the other should also say plainly, “I don’t want to do improvement work on our relationship, unless there is a specific problem we need to fix.” Except this conversation never happens at the start of a relationship. It’s always after people start investing that suddenly women insist the man change a bunch of stuff. So at that point, the guy is invested, and suddenly changes are required because otherwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 12:10 PM
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if my friend who I think is great never ever gets asked out, approached, has never been in a relationship or even had a chance at one, I notice that "asked someone out" isn't on that list. Because we both know that if she took the initiative and approached like men do she'd find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:33 AM
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great women In what way are these women great then? Because you haven't actually given any reasons besides "great job".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:28 AM
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Because people are seeing injustices and unfairness in other parts of society get righted all the time. Women get scholarships, women only career fairs, all sorts of things to deal with previous discrimination. Would it be okay to just tell a woman complaining about discrimination to “just get over it”?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:37 PM
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That is literally what men do when they want something. That seems totally natural to men. If they can’t be bothered to do that, they tolerate the situation instead of complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:33 PM
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There seems to be a perspective disconnect in a lot of these comments (not just yours): (some) men view these items as a maintenance checklist to keep the relationship running, and (some) women view them as initiatives to improve the relationship quality over time with no specific end point. Because many men prefer a relaxed peace vs constant kaizen style management. They don’t want their relationship to be “perfect” and constantly working on it and improving it. They want a stable, consistent, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 04:30 PM
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No, which is why I included social too. You know, in my one line response, which you obviously read and decided to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 02:27 PM
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Plenty of women say they do Really? Find me a couple if you don’t mind, that prefer short men to average and tall men. I’ve literally never seen it. Genuinely, I have never met a woman who prefers short men. The best you can get is ambivalence. I mean, I would genuinely suggest you try setting up a dating app profile as a guy and change nothing but your height to see the fundamental chasm in likes. In my case, increasing my height by a single inch 5’11 to 6ft quadruples my matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 10:38 AM
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he’d still have to find out how they feel about his looks Guys know what the vast majority of women think about their looks. Short guys know that there are effectively no women who prefer short men for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:55 AM
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It seems that women are much more careful about having a lot of compatibilities before committing to sex I mean, no, if the guy is hot enough then "compatibility" goes out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 08:09 AM
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That’s not what I said. I said women aren’t going to find men sexually attractive based on unrelated features Women, very often, argue that exact thing. That they find men sexy due to humour or cooking. I wouldn't mind if women out and out said that "well your only chance to be found attractive is looks, and if you don't meet these thresholds, you don't stand a chance". Then men can make informed choices as to whether they want to continue to participate and support a society where they have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 07:51 AM
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Correct I do not object to that at all. Like you said, same time constraints as women minus a couple weeks so she has time to choose if she wants to parent alone. Zero issue with that, don't know why anyone would have one Good lord you’re the first blue pill I’ve seen here with a consistent view on that topic. Fair enough, we actually align on that. I’d add a “X weeks from being informed and Y weeks from abortion date” as an aside, but yes, I think your solution is more than fair. Dude has to pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:27 AM
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But also, I think it doesn’t actually mean a girl will follow the stereotype, you know? Why would that change someone’s mate choice? It’s like dating someone with facial tattoos. Yeah they might not be batshit, but why take the risk? Why should someone take the risk of not assuming you are similar to all the other girls with daddy issues. Yes, you might be an exception, but they don’t know that. What about you makes you worth taking that risk? I’m not saying that to be mean, and yes, facial tatt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:21 AM
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Just like you should have 0 complaints about the compliants of disabled people, or racial minorities, right? Play the hand you were dealt after all. If others want to discriminate against you it’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:16 AM
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That's almost never the case Really? The woman regularly gets explicit consent from the man that he agrees to be a father? If that’s the case then there should be 0 objection to men being able to opt out from being financially responsible for a child before the abortion deadline right? After all, women aren’t forcing men into it. Next. Yes, the woman is taking care of her responsibility. But since the man dipped, the government has to cover his share If he didn’t explicitly consent to parenthood…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:14 AM
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What about men who bail the first opportunity they get? Did the woman get the man's consent to be a father? Did she marry him first? In over half of the cases, she didn't. If sex isn't consent to being a mother, it's not consent to being a father either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:34 AM
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Those women chose to have kids with those fathers. How often are they married before the child is born? Less than half. If you choose to have kids out of wedlock, that's on you. I have no sympathy unless you live in a state without abortion. It's just as unethical for women to force an unconsenting man into parenthood as it is for a man to force a woman into motherhood. Your body, your choice, your consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:32 AM
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How are we supposed to hold a woman accountable if she’s lying? We weren’t there. We don’t know if she’s telling the truth Good lord, the same way we put men in Jail when it's he said, she said. If there is a standard of evidence that we use to put men in jail for rape, that same standard of evidence can be used to convict a woman for lying. The punishment should be identical. For example, speaking from personal experience, i've had a false accusation where what saved me was the fact that I was …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 09:27 AM
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Provide whatever the man desires, usually children, household work and sex. They aren't expected to provide sex. There is 0 legal or social punishment for a woman who refuses sex to her husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:09 AM
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How does picking an unattractive man help women with anything Depends on what they prioritize. If your looks bar cuts out 80-90% of the male population off the top, then you aren't really selecting for personality at all. Men usually have a much lower looks bar, so applying it doesn't cut out nearly as many women and they can still add more filters for personality traits. Being looks agnostic is the point. Everyone wants perfect everything, but since you can't get that, you do have to prioritize…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:04 AM
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Women generally don’t understand why you think a woman wanting to spend time with you is such a horrible thing. Like, if you like someone enough to fuck them, why do you hate them outside of that? Because if I'm not getting sex at all, it's incredibly frustrating to be around someone that gets you horny and have no options. Women don't get that because they have far less testosterone and significantly more options for easy sex. If my sexual needs aren't being met, it's incredibly frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:42 PM
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Nope. Every woman who is wife material is hookup material. It's unquestionably an improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:39 PM
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If he's trying to have non-committal sex WITH HER that isn't okay. It's perfectly fine if he hasn't agreed to anything besides sex. Yes means yes right? Affirmative enthusiastic consent for things right? Don't just "Assume".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 02:35 PM
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If I walk around a bad neighborhood, flashing cash and expensive watches and get mugged, people will tell me not to do that. Is that blame? The mugger is still the criminal after all. The question comes down to, what do you consider “blame”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:14 AM
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Doing it wrong in another social interaction doesn’t come with social moral and potentially legal repercussions. There is a reason why we ritualized and formalized this shit historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 03:55 AM
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Then she can mind her own business. As long as he did!’t commit to a relationship. The sex doesn’t matter. Sex is either committal and can be judged or it isn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 01:50 AM
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Then women should not complain when they are judged due to their sexual past. Can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:55 PM
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No, he's highlighting that women make more of a fuss about it than men, even though the concerns are the same. If someone is saying "i'm being treated unfairly" and someone else says "no you are being treated the same as everyone else". The second person is not making a fuss, they are correcting the first person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:44 AM
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"making a massive fuss" and "fixing the problem" aren't the same thing. I understand that might be the case for you, where you think complaining and fixing are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 02:42 AM
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Cool, shall we keep babies away from women because they keep killing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:24 AM
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and it will be all your fault Not his fault. Sex is sex, she doesn't get to assume commitment. He consented to sex, not a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:21 AM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2174580/ When a young child is murdered, the most frequent perpetrator is a victim's parent or stepparent Maternal filicide is defined as child murder by the mother. Infanticide is child murder in the first year of life. The term neonaticide was coined by Resnick (9) to describe murder of an infant within the first 24 hours of life. Almost all neonaticides are committed by mothers. Yes, most babies are killed by their mothers. https://www.scmp.com/news/ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:13 AM
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"Well we're at risk too but not nearly as afraid so you should calm down" is an insane piece of advice coming from the gender that tends to die earlier lol Why? The world is a dangerous place. Men accept this and don't make a massive fuss about it. It's women who want special treatment and the right to treat entire demographics like criminals to deal with the danger that men also deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 01:06 AM
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I literally said what I do and believe. She get’s treated the same regardless of relative looks once I’m dating her. That’s only fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:11 AM
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Looks shouldn’t change treatment no. If I’m dating a girl, I’m not going to change how I treat her sexually based on her looks. She’s treated the same sexually and generally as previous dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:01 AM
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They specifically aren’t? The whole question is why they aren’t aiming for a subset of women and instead aiming at a larger percentage. Can you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 06:02 PM
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I don’t doubt it, hence why her argument that women aren’t offered dates and relationships is fucking hogwash.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:55 PM
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If I can be treated worse by an entire gender, due to due to factors I was born with, it stands to reason that it’s equally moral to treat that entire gender worse due to the fact they were born that gender. After all neither of us got to pick our gender or our height. Anyway, The premise is that I’m going to be dating this person. I don’t accept being treated worse that previous dates/hookups due to factors outside of my control.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:49 PM
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I'm not. Explain how I am contradicting myself. If women were equally sexual with all men they were willing to sleep with, there wouldn't be a issue. The fact that they aren't means that it's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:31 AM
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If you aren't fat, I could create a dating profile with your photos and get 7 dates in a week with not fat men. If you are fat, you have a simple clear, actionable plan to get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:21 AM
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Here is the thing - men here seem to expect that type of treatment before a relationship is built. Because women treat some men like that before a relationship is built. That's what women here don't seem to want to admit. Only the non-chad has to "build" a relationship to get that treatment. Chad gets it straight away regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:13 AM
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Because men will still sleep with women who aren't the hottest they ever met enthusiastically. Women less so. They will do more stuff with men they find hotter. I refuse to be in a sexless relationship, and that's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:11 AM
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Is not being treated like Chad = “scraps” and total lack of attraction? From the same person? Yes. If i'm going to marry that person, that's a huge fucking commitment. If she's not that into me, then fuck the hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:04 AM
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for men to improve themselves Depending on the standards being set, no amount of improvement would make a difference. Can't improve one's height for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:29 AM
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They just don’t realize that you are using the real definition of strange, which is an unknown person. Sorry, but in modern parlance, "Strange man" is derogatory. People will even say "Stranger" men if they mean unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:28 AM
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Now, increasingly there are quite a few women who are doing the asking. I'm always surprised that so many men here opine that that's what they'd prefer - because women doing the asking doesn't mean that the men here are more likely to be asked. Then they can't be blamed for not getting asked, and can respond to society with that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:26 AM
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What will women approaching even do? Let's say women are picker for 20 percent of men Not be that picky. Men don't only approach the top 20% of women even if they find those women attractive, because experience approaching makes them know that it's a bad move. Women can learn to do the same thing. Not approach the top 20% of men exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:21 AM
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Men are much more likely to desire sex with any given woman than women are to desire sex with any given man. However, a woman is 6x more likely to be separated or divorced soon after a diagnosis of cancer or multiple sclerosis than if a man in the relationship is the patient. This study was redacted. For the love of god stop spreading misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 06:56 AM
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And the vast majority dated pre dating app inflation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 12:36 AM
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Because the existence of exceptions to rules doesn't disprove the general rule itself? Did Obama becoming president mean that racism no longer existed in the US? That's the level of logic we're displaying here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:20 PM
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because in the wild if the top men tried to impregnate all the women they would be brutally killed by the 80% of men who remained Yeah that's what "enforced monogamy" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:12 AM
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That only works with enforced monogamy. With hookup culture. 10% of the men pair up, then the other 10% have situationships and hookups with the remaining 90% of the women, who would rather be in a situationship with a top 20% guy than an LTR with an 80% guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:56 AM
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Women’s choices on who to swipe on creates the environment. Women’s choices on things like height filters create the environment. Unlike historically, women have far more freedom of choice in dating than they ever have, but that freedom means that people can judge your choices too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:50 AM
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I strongly suspect that if you took 10 random men, your 20% is going to crossover a lot with 10 other women’s 20%. Practically no women express a preference for short men for example. Seriously, just look at the orders of magnitude of difference that good looking men get in the dating app world compared to average men. It’s like 100-1.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:44 AM
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The dating apps have massively increased the pickiness of women IRL too. When someone is in the mindset that there are 40 other options at all times, any slight becomes a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 04:43 AM
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as long as you meet their baseline level of attraction. Which these days, due to dating app inflation, is something 80% of men will generally not meet. Look at the number of women who filter out men under 6ft automatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:56 AM
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Because those “random” actions always seem to disadvantage one group of men over another. Namely, less good looking ones. Women aren’t “making mistakes” with the less attractive guys. So it seems pretty malicious when your experience always ends up the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 03:53 AM
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maybe you’re quite the catch Sadly not :'(. I just sell way better in a relationship than I do in a first impression. So it's a bit self selective. To quote my ex "you're the person who somehow has all his shit together despite not looking like it at all", which is true. But I think this attitude is VERY dependent on social circle. Many women who are generally around educated, liberal social circles won't see many of their friends hold the "kids at all costs" attitude, no matter how prevalent it…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:19 AM
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If you always on top of your fitness, wardrobe and game you’ll always be sharpened for when you run into a woman who’s looking for a FWB Unless you're short, in which case you still get overlooked in most cases regardless of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:12 AM
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no because a desperate guy will wait YEARS to have sex If he waits "years" to have sex with you and leaves you right after, he's not pumping and dumping you, he's leaving because something about the sex turned him off. Seriously, women automatically assume that they are all amazing at sex, when most kind of suck. Men are generally able to get themselves to orgasm even with bad sex, so women don't get much feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:07 AM
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It's significantly rarer. I've had 2 relationships break down because she decided she wanted kids and I didn't for example (and I made it clear I was childfree at the start of the relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 06:00 AM
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The pool for anyone of worth is actually narrow Depends how you narrow the pool at the start of the process. If you cut out a bunch of men at the start of the process over something like height, then no shit it would be narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:47 AM
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Yes, we realise that women consider men who need help as "beyond help". Even when the "help" is just basic honesty. Thank you for confirming that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 02:28 AM
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I don’t want the household to fall to shambles if I get hit by a bus Depends what you mean by shambles. Is "shambles" better or worse than the standards that the man you are living with lived in when he was alone? If "Shambles" is "anything lower than my standards", then by definition, you as the higher standard bearer will see a drop in standards if you get hit by a bus. If I didn’t insist on cleaning the house, we’d have bugs. Did your boyfriend have bugs in his home before you dated him?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:47 PM
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feel extremely pressured to present a clean and orderly home From freaking who? Why would you care if the pressure isn't coming from someone who lives in the home. Because in my experience the only people who notice or care about this kind of thing are other women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:34 PM
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we're trying to improve things By getting someone else to do the work. Sorry, but you don't get to decide the standard unilaterally. If I decide your cooking sucks and just nag you to get better constantly, you wouldn't want to cook.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:30 PM
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If someone got unreasonably pissy with me due to a chronic illness? Yeah I wouldn’t be particularly lenient. Additionally, women don’t get to argue that “being on our period doesn’t mean that we’re irrational” and also expect leniency for their actions while on their period. Can’t have it both ways. Either you are rational while you are on your period and taken seriously, or you aren’t and get leniency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:28 AM
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So what are you basing this assertion on Would me having been divorced provide any more data on this? You'd have considered it an anecdote and non-representative anyway so I'd like to know what the point of the question was.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 11:25 AM
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"hormones" are used dismissively because there is fuck all that can be done about it. You are expected to control how you react to your own hormones. If a guy is horny/angry because of high testosterone, we don't excuse the behavior, and he doesn't get to use it as an explanation or excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:39 AM
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Never?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 10:37 AM
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I mean, it’s like saying that someone didn’t die from being stabbed, they died from the blood loss. Both statements are accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:45 AM
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Male false assumption: woman is randomly angry at everything due to hormones. Female consensus: I'm in non stop pain for hours, feel nauseous, have cold shivers (even if it is +30 C), feeling like i'm gonna piss/shit at from any movement that requires me to move/lift my hips. I'm doing my best to contain it and not to lash out, but I have no more mental energy to endure other stuff/annoyances in addition to that, I mean, that basically is correct then. Mad because of hormones. You just elaborate…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 09:07 AM
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neither of you are complete slobs The problem is that the definition of "Complete slob" is usually "doesn't meet my standards exactly". I've yet to meet the person who considers their cleanliness standards "extra" and doesn't consider anyone under them a "slob".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:52 AM
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Women are being EXTREMELY logical and strategic in the logistics... but every time they tell their dude about the plan... he tells her to "calm down" and "stop over thinking this" and "you need to relax" ...but she literally can't relax because he is so short-sided the tactics are the only thing that is "real" to him. So she is alone in long term planning. So much for male leadership. OBVIOUSLY not all men. But until a (straight) guy is forced to be a single parent due to illness or divorce, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:46 AM
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I think kids do better when they have a fair bit of unstructured time - and time away from screens - to fuck around and find out. Though whenever I cite my making explosives as an example, people act seriously unconvinced. Funny... when I did get unstructured time that's precisely what I did too. I still have all my fingers... But for the love of god, this. It's genuinely incredible to hear that from a woman, because in my experience it's women who seem to think that they have to account for eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:37 AM
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Or, we could just not deal with sub par men and be happier Women will keep having babies with hot men and complaining that they aren't attentive fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:34 AM
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It's really not, I know just as many forced by their parents to go to activities. As someone who was forced into an extracurricular every day, I never actually got to hang out with my friends after school unless I just played truant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:33 AM
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having kids should prompt a new ‘normal' Then that normal should be agreed on between both parents before having a kid. Very often, the woman tries to impose her new normal, without discussion, after the kid is born. No surprise that it often doesn't stick or work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:30 AM
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That they have a lower bar for divorce? Yes. No reason, rarely, but men will have a higher bar for divorce than women tend to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:26 AM
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A great example is making the bed. If I make the bed before I shower, or after I shower, or even 4 hours before bed, it makes no practical difference. However, many women will get annoyed at just the sight of an unmade bed. Equally with disorder. If I'm willing to have a messy (not disgusting, just things mildly out of place) house, and organize once a day or even once every couple days, it makes no practical difference. Nobody is having any trouble finding anything, she just doesn't like the id…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:15 AM
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Not a gendered issue It often is. Women are, on average, more neurotic. Needing something done now regardless of actual time pressure. Plus children do benefit from having routines that are followed most of the time Depends on the child. Routine was absolutely terrible for me as a child. Many boys prefer the opposite of routine. There often are time-sensitive or scheduled actions/tasks/activities related to raising babies and children, like the examples in my post, as well as other examples like…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 07:09 AM
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Alternatively, you don’t need a system. Plenty of men survived without a grocery “system” even when living with roommates. Yeah sometimes it wouldn’t be perfect, but no stress, you dealt with it. Women on average seem way more neurotic and need everything to go right as as expected. When I lived with roommates, if we screwed up groceries, then we’d take what we had and improvise a meal. Nobody was stressed, it was fun, and we ended up with a bunch of novel ideas. Meanwhile women seem to be horri…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:14 AM
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Except women will put timelines on things that don’t need them, and take them just as seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:10 AM
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“Who” said you were a failure? Who specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 04:01 AM
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Typically yeah? Men generally find about 50% of women their age pass the attractiveness bar. When rating women’s attractiveness, men seem to rate on a bell curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:59 AM
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But to their point and what some men don’t understand; women also cant control who they’re attracted to and having sex with someone who you find ugly is a miserable experience As long as women are honest about what they are attracted to it’s fine. Then men can make an honest assessment of whether they think they’ll ever meet those requirements, and decide whether or not to invest effort in society if they won’t. If the collective decision of women is that a significant minority of young men have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:57 AM
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It only goes one way. Nobody makes sure I get home safe. “It’s part of society” is the excuse used every time a situation advantaged women. If a situation advantages men, then society must change.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:48 AM
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And yet I’m constantly expected to do this for near strangers on nights out, because apparently people think I’m “safe”. “Can you make sure she gets home safe”. The entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 02:43 AM
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If you stop someone from being murdered just so that they can slowly suffer and wither away and you had the resources to help them but chose not to then the only logical conclusion is that you are against murder but you do not actually care about life, which is exactly what I already said. What? No. It means that I saved them from murder. I don't have to then support them to care about "life". I saved their life. You are the one who has put the standard for caring about "life" as "must provide v…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:21 AM
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that they would just leave other people alone Why would they leave them alone instead of trying to take over? Like seriously, when has neglecting a population of young men to the point that they segregate from greater society and have nothing to lose ever resulted in something good?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:12 AM
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If abortion is illegal then yes? That's perfectly logical. Similarly, if abortion is legal, then men should have an equivalent opt-out from being a parent post conception. That's also logical and fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:11 AM
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They don't view those as murders, they view that as war. They won't be upset about civilians dying in gaza just like they aren't upset about german civilians dying during WW2, or Japanese civilians for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:10 AM
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That's perfectly logical. I can be against murder but not for providing for every person that isn't murdered. If I stop a murder, i'm not on morally on the hook to provide for the person I saved for the rest of their life. Shit, I'm for abortion, and I can still see that the above is logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 08:08 AM
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was she simply not feeling sleeping you as fast? If she isn't feeling sleeping with me as fast than her ex, then she's less attracted to me than her ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:59 AM
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This is incredibly common, there is a general expectation put on men that they make sure women are safe first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 07:52 AM
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The point is to tell people the truth That is not what a debate is… You might not want to be on a debate sub if you don’t want to spend time convincing people. It literally makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:56 AM
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If you aren't willing to provide data, why the hell are you on a debate sub? That defeats the purpose of debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:55 PM
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It literally doesn’t even bring consequences down on the perpetrator like a legal battle would It literally brings consequences down on people. If other people treat the people differently because of the slander. Slander is only slander if it’s not true and has a negative impact, And considering the app, it makes it impossible to report because the victim is actively prevented from accessing it. So they are being slandered with no chance of actually defending themselves or seeking justice. Just …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:18 PM
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“Reporting abusers” goes to the police, not the fucking unaccountable, infalsifiable app that specifically uses AI to prevent men from being able to defend themselves. If you downloaded this app and slandered a guy without evidence, you deserve to get it back. Live by the sword, die by it. When men complained about exactly this, women generally dismissed it and considered the innocents hurt as acceptable. Suddenly innocent women are being hit and it’s a problem. EVERY woman who used this app was…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:02 AM
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You seriously want me to believe that men, who's most important quality in a woman is how hot she is, are regularly dating women less attractive than them? Yes? some of my closest friends are in couples like that. I know why he married her (she's an incredible person), but he's definitely better looking. You just have a way lower standard for "attractive" for women than you do for men. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:40 AM
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would men want to date a woman who doesn't find him sexually attractive If women find the vast majority of men sexually unattractive, that means their looks standards are fucked up. If men only found the top 1% of women sexually attractive, women would scream from high heavens how the men are "porn brained". It's the same the other way around. This is what happens when dating apps and social media completely skew women's perceptions of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:33 AM
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Pedro Pascal is average Ladies and gentlemen. Case in fucking point. 80/20.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:30 AM
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I genuinely do not know a single couple where the man is more attractive. That just tells us that your definition of attractiveness is skewed between the genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:26 AM
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His comment was up for less than 2 minutes, though. I mean, that's about as good as it can possibly get on the internet. A woman here called me Seung-Hui Cho because I'm half asian and they didn't like what I said, that got removed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:16 AM
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even when a woman has one bad experience Depending on that bad experience, it's fair. Date a guy with a face tattoo? Yeah sorry, that's 100% on you. The fucking warning sign is on his face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:13 AM
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Once again, Point to where in my post I'm alleging that's happening. I'm saying that your logic doesn't fly. Additionally, what proof would actually convince you? Typically when this discussion comes up, there is no proof that would actually convince the other party
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:01 AM
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I didn't say they did in that post, I was demonstrating that your logic if it’s so common for women to be with bad men, isn’t it also common for men to be bad Doesn't follow. There is a perfectly reasonable circumstance where it's common for women to be with bad men, without bad men being equally common. Both statements can be true. Equally, a larger proportion of women can be sexually harassed than the proportion of men that are sexual harassers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 10:42 AM
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Not necessarily. Comes down to numbers and selection. Hypothetical math. If all women went after the same 10% of men for whatever reason (let's say looks). The "Good" men in that 10%, say 3/4s, get locked down rather quickly, so they are out of the dating pool. That means of that 10% of good looking men, the remaining 2.5% are going to disproportionately be bad men. Not because good looking men are more likely to be bad, but because good, good looking men, get locked down early. If women continu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 05:24 AM
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I mean shorter women should date shorter men But they don't. It makes no sense for a short woman to be with 6ft4 guy . Clearly it makes sense to them. The point is that just because you can justify your preference doesn't meant that others won't justify their own using different logic. One I heard is "well i'm short so the man has to make up for the height". In the end, it comes down to most women wanting abnormally tall men, and prioritising that over practically anything else. Interestingly, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 05:19 AM
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So the short woman needs a tall man and you as a tall woman neex a tall man. Therefore, all women need tall men? Because in my experience dating, shorter women are even more insistent that the man has to be 6ft+
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:22 AM
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If 80% of men are below average (read: unattractive) then women’s looks requirements are fundamentally broken. It’s fine to want to be attracted to your partner, men want the same, but the standard for “attractive” matters. If it’s unachievable by most men (for example requiring a height that is taller than 85% of men), then it’s a societal problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 04:00 AM
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men want a good woman but she has to be young first Everyone gets to be young, not everyone gets to be tall. It's not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 03:45 AM
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Nobody gets ghosted if women are only talking to one man at a time while not swiping. That's more or less how it worked pre-dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:56 AM
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Or women can just right swipe a few times on a larger proportion of men, and date one at a time. Not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 02:05 AM
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5% is women’s usual right swipe rate, so yeah, clearly only 5% of men clear the looks barrier to even get a conversation on the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:51 PM
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I will say it genuinely good people don't become bad when they don't get what they want. Okay, so you are one hundred percent on the genetics side of the genetics vs socialization debate. Interesting. I suppose you believe that if an abused child acts out, well it's 100% their fault because a "Good kid" wouldn't act out no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:06 PM
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Men don't want to date women they wouldn't have sex with, and expecting women to do so is crazy. If women are only attracted to 5% of men, then it's not good men that are rare, it's attractive men that are rare. Men want to have sex with a far higher proportion of women than women towards men, so the requirement is much lower for men than women. It'd be like if I complained that there are no good women, but only considered women who had FF cup breasts when considering "women". It's not the "Good…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:02 PM
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then men wpuldnt ban access to abortions nor would they be against prostitution Banning access to abortion is largely people who believe that it is murder. Legalize murder because it'll get you more sex isn't much of an argument. As for prostitution, it's generally women who are significantly more against prostitution legalization than men. https://www.vox.com/2016/3/11/11203740/prostitution-legal-men-women-poll This is aligned with the previous topic in this subreddit, where most women here sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:26 PM
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I would still rather be single. Single with sex as an option is very different to single without sex as an option. Additionally, men generally want sex far more, and therefore the option of "single without sex" is not one they will take. The point is that you can afford to have that dealbreaker and still get sex. Men can't. I'm asking you to at least acknowledge that by having this dealbreaker, most average men would forgo sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:02 PM
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One is a physical safety concern Women use this to justify practically any misbehavior as a universal get out of jail free card. Ghosting, treating random men poorly, being more careful around men than women. If a man did that specifically to women and not men, it’d be considered misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:56 AM
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It shows that, as you put it. if men ever “got serious” they could just forcibly take control Odds are, based on history, if men decide to regress society back to what it was before, they could absolutely succeed. That is the most likely scenario. There would be resistance, but history shows that it's most likely to be ineffectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:30 AM
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Women have always resisted, but their actions were erased, minimized, or reframed as weakness or betrayal Then they clearly lost, consistently, showing that their "resistance" was ineffectual at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:13 AM
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However, I would rather be alone forever than be in a relationship with someone who doesn't respect my time, consider my emotions, or value me as a person. Because you can find sex if you want to. Men can't. Still pursue casual sex if you want to This is WAY easier for women than men. Men often have the choice between relationship sex or celibacy. The option of casual sex just isn't on the table for average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:05 AM
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You can’t rule over half the population without consequences. Ask history how that tends to go. Most of history involves men being in a fundamentally more powerful social position than women. Women resist, organize, and fight Women sleep with the invaders and generally go along with what society dictates. It's the exceptions that are notable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:04 AM
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instead of talking to your partner Talk to your partner and you lose your partner because they lose attraction to you. Just how it is, too few women are able to deal with male emotions without losing attraction for it to be a viable dealbreaker for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 07:01 AM
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Do not cry. Accept and deal with women's emotions. Prioritise women's safety and comfort. Do not fight back if a woman strikes you. Just a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:59 AM
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I encourage you not to accept emotional immaturity from the women in your life If I don't, I don't get a relationship. And other women would call me immature and an asshole for breaking up with a woman for something like that. It sounds like you need to consider whether you want to be with someone who treats you like an emotional doormat. Between that and sexlessness and being alone, yeah it's an easy choice. Sorry, you might not be sex specific, but what is true is that if a woman applies that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:09 AM
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If you can claim this for a man, then you can easily claim this for women No you can't, because women aren't choosing between one choice or being alone, she's largely choosing across a bunch of choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:06 AM
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Maybe once in a blue moon for family deaths or something equally devastating Not even that, got broken up with because I cried at my grandmother's funeral. Women often have 0 "emotional bandwidth" when it comes to their male partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 06:00 AM
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One primary issue is that from men's perspective, women do this all the time, and aren't at all punished for it. I'm expected to be ready to receive my girlfriend's trauma or emotions at any time. If she wakes up crying at 3am because she had a dream about me cheating on her, and I ignore her because it's 3 fucking am, i'm considered an inconsiderate and poor partner. Women have infinitely more leeway when it comes to trauma dumping to men. Men don't get to say "no, I don't want to deal with thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:56 AM
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Dumping" is completely disregarding the other person's capacity to handle the information or established boundaries Considering women's capacity to handle men's negative emotions seems to be significantly lower than men's ability to deal with women's negative emotions, that is basically just saying "don't open up to women".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:50 AM
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I teared up at my grandma's funeral and got broken up with because of it. Apparently it caused her to "lose attraction". Glad his wife was one of the rare ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:48 AM
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Because that's not our priority. Men are willing to risk death historically for access to sex. There is a reason why it's at the bottom of maslow's hierarchy of needs. To a guy, it's like saying "why can't you seperate your lack of access to water from other subjects?". Because to most men, it's a similar priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:44 AM
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then it is men’s responsibility to realize that access to sex is not worth ruining their own lives by making a regressive society Men have been willing to risk death for a chance at sex historically. Expecting that to change is just not going to be realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:42 AM
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If feminists were right about men, women would never have gotten the right to vote. If enough men decide to violently impose their will, that is the way society will go.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 05:41 AM
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but this attitude doesn’t come from nowhere. When men have their guard up and change their behaviour around women due to previous experience, it's considered misogyny by a lot of women. Wouldn't acting different around men due to the actions of other men therefore not be considered misandry?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 03:17 AM
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And yet…those experiences made you think less of women, not the men who abused them He literally called the men horrible. The fact is, women chose them regardless of them being horrible. That says terrible things about them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:24 AM
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A pure untouched virgin who automatically becomes a nymphomaniac just for you is the “ideal”? Seriously? I genuinely want to know Why wouldn’t that be “ideal”? Unrealistic? Maybe. But I don’t see the downside in that. Guys say what they want and then pick something different. Or just take what they can get and then complain about it. An example of them picking something different to what they want? Average guys generally don’t get to “pick”, as you say, they take what they can get. Generally it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:20 PM
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Laws are part of society. But besides that, they have been. And people have been losing their minds now that men are voting more like an interest group than they have before.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:35 AM
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Many guys aren't going to like what the answer is for them in current society. They'd rather have the honest response so that they can decide whether or not they want to continue to participate and preserve the current society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:24 AM
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You have the most conservative administration in history which ended DEI They didn't end it, no more than the Obama admin ended racism or healthcare problems the minute he got in. Ending DEI would take time and enforcement. They are aiming to do so, but just like every major social change, you can't reverse a decade of corporate policy in months.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:21 AM
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I mean he wants it, he should have the common sense to go “Here’s how we can make it work. Man, I fucking WISH that was the standard we applied to women. Typically women are fine to just want things, and expect the other party to figure out how to make it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:18 AM
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So she had a chance and squandered it. The indian janitor never had the chance to be tall or white/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 02:39 AM
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But I have never seen a woman accuse a man of misogyny for not approaching women, it usually has to go hand in hand with some blanket bad opinion on women Women have accused men of being misogynistic for adhering to the pence rule, where he refuses to be in a 1 on 1 situation with a woman who isn’t his wife without witnesses. This is to prevent the possibility of being accused of impropriety. As someone who has been falsely accused (so brazenly that I was in the wrong country when the alleged in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:39 AM
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Just because it is the norm doesn't mean it is the only way to meet. You literally said that that 90%, people meet outside the app and women find men that they like based on their interaction And Again, the visible 10% doesn't mean the hidden 90% is the same I'm contradicting that. Are you agreeing that your 90% was bullshit? You gave that percentage twice. Only if there is little to no compatibility Again, you can only judge compatibility if you can talk to them, which is looks gated online.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:59 AM
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I'm not, she's the one saying that men shouldn't want the women who want to sleep with incarcerated men, and I'm saying that logic doesn't follow if you don't get any sex at all otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:39 AM
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In that 90%, people meet outside the app and women find men that they like based on their interaction. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fuwe4cchpfz5c1.png That's just incorrect. Over 50% of couples meet online. Your data is completely outdated. Online and dating app approaches are the norm these days. and some can overlook a man being shorter if they are compatible This is what I mean by women have narrower preferences. Yeah, if you are a millionaire you might have a cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:23 AM
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Height which is relative to theirs and a reflection of the fact men are usually taller than women Have you been on dating apps? The height of the woman has no relation to the minimum height she requires of matches. 5ft women still put 6ft minimums as much as 5ft8 women. Shorter women might be okay with a shorter man, but she won't generally prefer it outright Women's ideal guy is about the setting and the attitude. While men have diverse taste on how a woman looks like as visual beings, women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:02 AM
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For the life of me I'll never understand why can't we leave trans people alone We more or less did for decades. People made rude jokes about trans people, but generally the outright hate wasn't there. The hate comes from an increase in trans people demanding recognition and changes in behavior from others(such as making misgendering discrimination). So long as it was "I believe I'm a woman", people were more or less ambivalent or at worst mocking. Trans people were left alone. The moment it flip…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:55 AM
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That is what "social norms" and "etiquette" are for. Not everyone is comfortable with the same things, so having clear social rituals and actions that are considered socially appropriate is important. That way, everyone knows what they can and can't do. Step outside of the norms, and you are taking a risk. If someone feels uncomfortable despite the other person sticking to social norms, then that is on them. We've more or less given up on social norms in the west in favour for hyper individualis…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:47 AM
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like how men have an idealized version women They really don't though. Men's porn (which is effectively what erotica is) is WAY more varied in terms of women's looks. Breast size, hair color, height, and someone less so weight and age, all have huge niches on any site you'd visit. Women's "ideal" guy seems to be far more consistent. Especially with regards to immutable factors, namely height.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:22 AM
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Would you not be at least a little unnerved if you were pretty much alone at night with a man 3x your strength with a man who has already disregarded your boundaries and continues trying to romantically engage with you when you've asked him to stop? Literally had gay men do this to me. It wasn't really all that annoying or scary, and I was still more flattered than annoyed. But women, on average, tend to have significantly lower risk tolerances in general. Not just in this kind of situation, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:14 AM
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The challenge can come when you aren’t sure or are aware that she hasn’t really indicated interest in you as a romantic partner Which is harder for unattractive men because in most cases, they have never experienced a woman expressing this kind of interest, so they have fuck all experience to go off of. I don’t see a problem with a casual “hey, I was thinking of going to see <insert name of upcoming movie release> on Friday night. Wanna come with me?” You don't, some women do, and then will lamb…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:07 AM
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In actual nature there are a lot of "overwhelming norms" that we no longer accept. Why is the "nature" argument acceptable here and not in other cases?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:44 AM
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and think it's insulting for them to offer to pay for a date THEY request They are socially required to be the one to request. A guy who doesn't approach has virtually 0 chance of being approached unless he is top 1%. Expecting the one to approach to pay for the whole thing is just saying that guys should pay. Seeing as the big push for the past couple decades is gender equality, men are obviously not going to be okay with such a clear inequality. But as is typical, women only want equality wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:24 AM
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I'm not saying this is anything more than a minority of men. But one such experience can be enough to spook you and make you hesitant. I mean, wouldn't this logic work both ways? If a man has a negative experience with women, he'll start to treat other women worse and less openly because of the experience. When this is mentioned here, women immediately say "that's a minority of women" and call the guy a misogynist for treating all women differently due to the actions of a small few. It seems lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:20 AM
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The women sleeping with incarcerated men aren’t the women y’all are trying to sleep with/date Why not? I might not want to date them, but if I was getting no sex at all, why would I not want to sleep with them? Some sex is better than none. If the women I should want to sleep with aren't willing, why wouldn't men aim for different women to fulfil their need for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:12 AM
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What? No? It’d just result in the same world that we had for 6000 years where women’s sexuality is brutally controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 02:41 AM
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And I don’t know a single woman who actually says that. It’s a terminally online thing I don’t see any other women contradicting them. Hell, when I ask what women do owe men, the only response I get is “nothing”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:53 AM
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If you view relationships as business transactions then that’s also disgusting Failing to understand analogies isn't a plus... try engaging with the point at hand. Women regularly say they don't owe men anything. Why would women then hate that men are entirely self interested when it comes to relationships? You can hardly expect someone you owe nothing to, to have any consideration for your needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:28 AM
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I am not making an assertion one way or another, you are. As the person making the affirmative claim, you have to provide evidence for it. SOME WOMEN are like this. MOST are not Here is your affirmative claim. Do you have any evidence to back this up?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:14 AM
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Hence, the “casual sex” part. By getting casual sex, a guy can fulfill his sexual needs while looking for a healthy relationship that makes him happy. Since most women have higher standards for casual sex than relationships (attraction wise), a man doesn’t lose anything by focusing on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:34 AM
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I don’t understand what you wrote… But if I’m reading correctly, you can absolutely get casual sex while looking for a long term partner. If anything it’s easier since your immediate sexual needs are fulfilled, so you can be more selective without forgoing sexual intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:23 AM
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Red pill is partially about giving men the most options possible. If they want to date the less pretty girl because they like her more, that’s awesome for them. The point is that they got to choose. Additionally, male preferences for looks (especially with genetic factors) tend to be significantly wider and heterogenous than women’s. For example with height, women’s preferences are far more concentrated on tall men than men are on any genetic factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:16 AM
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If you are getting nothing, then it makes sense. Gotta learn how to cook basic pasta to feed yourself before learning how to make a beef Wellington. If a guy is getting nothing. Getting something as efficiently as possible becomes priority over getting something good. He can focus on the goal of a long term, stable relationship, once he’s fulfilled his immediate goal of getting some form of intimacy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:10 AM
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Finding women who aren't matured yet attractive is a choice ig. It's a reality. Men generally find young women physically more attractive. Problem is that these young men will have to lose these triad traits if they are to get into long term relationships, especially if they want kids If you can act in a certain way in order to get casual sex from young women, you can easily revert back to a more natural personality. It's no different than people putting on a slightly more "professional" persona…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:44 AM
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But it’s not all women and it’s almost certainly not most. Do you have any evidence one way or another that most women aren't influenced by the attractiveness of the speaker?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:40 AM
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SOME WOMEN are like this. MOST are not. It’s hateful to generalize all or most women most are not. What evidence do you have that most are not. Some are yes, some aren't. Do you have any actual evidence which group is larger?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:36 AM
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The average age of women in that study was 19.4 Meanwhile its well known that women lose this attraction to these traits as they mature So the women at the height of their desirability to men are attracted to dark triad traits? Sounds like if men want to get young attractive women, they should focus on dark triad traits. Additionally, if young men want to date their age group, they should do the same. This is not the counterargument that it sounds like. This means that men in their formative dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:33 AM
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And if that’s the goal no wonder most women hate it Why should they? Women constantly say "they don't owe men anything", so why would they hate that men are only acting in their own self interest? It would be the height of narcissism for a group to say they don't owe another group anything but expect the other group to take their interests or preferences into account. I don't hate my counterparty in a business negotiation for using whatever levers they have to get the best deal. Why would women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:27 AM
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No, it's just said in a different tone. No different than an angry person having reasonable grievances, but being less than capable of optimally expressing them. He's just explained those terms in ways that are less easy to dismiss. Being "business appropriate" isn't dishonest, it's just a manner of communication that emphasizes certain things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:24 AM
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They might work on some women, but they aren’t your tools to have a healthy relationship with a stable long-term partner The main thing is that a lot of men have more trouble securing casual vs long term relationships, so it might be good advice for them. For average men, the ability to secure casual sex automatically makes it easier for them to get long term relationships. It doesn't help the women that they are pursuing, but seeing as women view dating as an entirely self interested venture (I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:20 AM
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I mean if he’s standing up for himself, then that requires someone else was not being nice to him. That would be seen as normal. What? No? Women get pissed when guys they think are pushovers stand up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:24 AM
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Frankly, if they think it’ll help them, why wouldn’t they? Apparently nobody owes anyone anything after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 12:05 PM
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Average men get 0 casual sex and next to 0 attention from the opposite sex in general. Being an average man in dating sucks ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:09 AM
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and don't want those they're not attracted to to want them. Nah, women want that part. Even when gay men express attraction towards me, I feel happy and flattered as fuck. I have no issue with someone i'm not attracted to expressing attraction towards me, and I handle the situation as kindly and respectfully as I can, since they took a risk in even expressing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 09:07 AM
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I'm honestly, TRULY baffled by the amount of men in this subreddit CONVINCED women only date men over 6ft Might have something to do with changing your height from 5'11 to 6ft quadrupling your match rate on apps. That and the bumble height filter numbers showing what women actually seem to value as dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:58 PM
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for not seeing past the exact thing you refuse to work on How the fuck are men supposed to "Work on" their height. If a woman only finds 6ft+ tall men attractive, then no amount of work will make a difference. None of what you describe is more of a needle mover than height is in the dating market. You’re not entitled to be found attractive by the same people you’re into "Entitled" is such utter bullshit. By your logic, nobody is entitled to anything, therefore making the question of what one is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 11:23 AM
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If no country had a military, there wouldn't be a need for it. Until someone establishes a small milita group, and then we are back to where we started. what kind of pie in the sky bullshit is "if no country had a military". That would last all of 10 minutes before 2 people have an argument and factions start to form.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 11:17 AM
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If you are against a country having a military, what is your alternative solution to provide for natonal defense?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:48 AM
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So who protects the country against the military of other countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:54 AM
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biggest takeaway is that we haven’t found a way to legalize sex work without also inevitably seeing an uptick in human trafficking Only legalising sex work for locals would work just fine. Stricter enforcement of work passes for foreigners while encouraging local sex work (including and up to subsidy) would compete the illegal foreign prostitutes out of the market. That is usually not politically palatable, but it would work fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:52 AM
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I mean that is no different than any other illegal labour situation. The country can either try and ban an in demand product or service and create a black market, or actively legalize and regulate it. Trafficked women being used for sex work is a labour law issue in countries where sex work is legal. No different than using illegal immigrants for farm work and underpaying them. I have no issue with countries requiring legally regulated prostitutes to be locals (who will then enjoy a much less co…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:51 AM
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Because if "attraction" cuts out 90% of men due to immutable factors, then any advice besides "be more attractive" is fucking pointless. Them saying "I love a geek" is just completely misleading and incorrect if the actual discriminating factor (that cuts out 90% of men) is "I love a 6ft4+ tall man". But that's considered blackpill and therefore isn't allowed. Men find a much larger percentage of women attractive than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:32 AM
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I only see women blaming men for the experience being bad when the man makes no attempt to please her Then you aren't seeing a lot of the cases where the woman expects the guy to "just know" and refuses to communicate to him directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:46 AM
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there's alot of cruel and sick men out there who divorce their wives for aging. Women initiate 70% of divorces. What reasons that women give would you consider "cruel and sick"? If a woman divorced her husband because she "wasn't attracted to him anymore", would that make her "cruel and sick"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 01:41 AM
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Personality doesn't matter if you never get a chance to showcase it. With dating apps being the common way of getting a first date today, and swipe rates being what they are, unless you are at the top 5% of looks, you aren't even getting a right swipe to get to showcase your personality. If women are only swiping right on 5% of men, than 95% of men never get the chance to showcase their personality on the most accessible and common first date generator there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:02 AM
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A slight majority of my friends are women, so I clearly don’t believe “women are boring” But to make the argument. One thing that is generally true is that young women tend to be less spontaneously funny than men. That’s mostly a practice thing though. Men tend to learn to be funny if they aren’t incredibly good looking because they have to be if they want any attention. Meanwhile far more young women get attention by default even if they are boring, so it’s a less practiced “muscle”. The other …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 03:29 PM
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Which doesn’t make it immutable. the window of time women get to be young according to men is only 7 years Even assuming that’s true. That’s 7 years of desirability. That’s a huge window to find a partner. nothing is stoping her husband from cheating on her or leaving her for a younger woman. so what’s the point ? Nothing stops a woman from leaving her husband either. That is not gendered. Women absolutely have a massive advantage here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:16 PM
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Every woman gets to be young. It’s not a barrier for any woman who wants to get married provided she actually chooses to find a partner to marry young. No woman is born old. I wouldn’t call “youth” an immutable trait, as it is fundamentally changeable and changing at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:30 AM
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8s to them yes, and there is wide gulf between “respect” and “willing to marry”. Additionally, men’s preferences vary more than women’s looks wise. There is no single immutable trait that men are consistently attracted to unlike women with height. So practically any woman who isn’t fat is that attractive to some group of men. Tall, short, big boobs, small boobs, every hair color, each has a pretty good distribution of men who are specifically into that (and not just willing to tolerate it).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:27 AM
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What does the birthrate have to do with gender segregated clubs?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:55 AM
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Great. One example Plenty of examples of women demanding that men only clubs open up to women or girls. How many would you need before you agree that women actively push against male only clubs?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:53 AM
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If you think talking to an attractive woman for hours and never getting laid to be a failure that’s on you. I can’t help you with that I mean, if i'm not getting laid, her being attractive doesn't make a difference. I have friends for that. The reality is that there is a subset of guys who don't have the looks but do have the social skills, and just end up with a bunch of female friends who like spending time with them but no girlfriend. That solves the "Friend" need but doesn't do anything for …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:22 AM
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Men actually rate women on a bell curve, so no, sub 3 is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:51 AM
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Yep. If you treat one guy worse than another, (by giving one what he wants and not the other), then they have the right to be pissed at you for it. Freedom of choice is not freedom from consequence I think is the common refrain I hear. You have the right to sleep with a guy on the first date, you don’t have the right to not be judged for it by future dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:47 AM
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By not filtering out 85% of men off the top and filtering manually by profile instead of height. It’s a filter that women generally set to exclude 85% of men. If there was a boob size filter and I filtered by HH cups only while complaining that all the women I met were idiots/assholes, people would absolutely jump on my absurd boob size dealbreaker as a contributor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 11:49 AM
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and wouldn’t need to be so selective There is 0 reason to be selective by height outside of that being what women actually prefer. If women cared about personality more than height, they would filter by that, but the numbers show that height is a much stronger predictor of a left swipe than anything in the profile. I’d be willing to bet that with the same pictures, a 6’5 guy with “I beat my girlfriends” on their profile would get more likes than a 5’2 guy with a normal profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:06 AM
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What do I want from Marriage specifically? The legal, societal and practical benefits. There is no reason, religious or otherwise, that I wanted to sign that paper besides the 1200 laws codified into US law that protect myself and my partner if something were to happen to one of us. It was 100% about protecting each other in case of accident, injury or death. The party is fun, we spent like $10k feeding people and getting them drunk in the woods. My dress was $100. Our priest a friend. Very low …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:25 AM
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Calculated risks. After my first divorce, I wanted more kids. So planned accordingly. One thing I disagree with TRP is marriage being so detrimental, it’s not worth the risk. The issue being that most don’t have the means to rebuild post divorce. With enough foresight, that’s not an issue. The problem is that the marriage itself brings only heavy legal liability and very little benefit compared to a long term committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:21 AM
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Basically nothing I wouldn't get from a long term committed partner. In the end, marriage doesn't really add anything besides major legal liability and minor legal and tax benefits. So... Kind of what i'd want from a long term commited relationship, plus extra to make up for the liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:18 AM
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ENTJ Apparently I don't have many people who share that with me on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 03:15 AM
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I mean, the argument is that women don't seem to get analogies. The fact that you aren't getting it isn't really helping the case. the literal meaning of an analogy I'm not talking about the literal meaning, i'm talking about what the analogy is supposed to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:59 AM
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That’s like a rooster trying to fly, hitting its head on a tree, falling to the ground, and then claiming it can fly just as well as an eagle. The concussion has nothing to do with it, it's similar to someone who does something, fails, and acts like they did well. The analogy is in the action, not in the dramatis personae. Could make it a dog, a tiger, or a lion, in the end they are all less capable of flying than an eagle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 02:06 AM
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They don't though. 10 random men in a room. 10 random women. Ask the question of who each group would be willing to sleep with (privately) and the men will find a wider group of women attractive. Men rate women on a bell curve. Women rate 80% of men as below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:55 AM
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Either she's too dumb to understand or she's doing this on purpose maliciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:47 AM
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work out so you get toned / don't be too muscular This one isn't really contradictory, being toned (aka low body fat) but not high muscle mass is not contradictory at all. Most runners are like that. be skinny / guys like curves This one is absolutely taste. Men are super hetrogenous on this, and it even is influenced by ethnicity. It's like different men talking about about what hair color they prefer, it's always going to be inconsistent. I'm very much on the skinny/next to no curves side. My …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:41 AM
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Many men were sad Sad is fine, they would have probably felt worse without the sex is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:26 PM
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is common and women are just skipping over those guys because they’re 5’10”. That is literally what they are doing when they swipe left on them, or filter them out entirely via height filters. In those cases, the men's height is LITERALLY the only thing that mattered. If your personality is just bitterness and resentment, it’s not your height holding you back. I do absolutely great once I get to the first date. But getting that first date is absolutely horrendous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:19 PM
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You can groom better, fix your posture, upgrade your style, take care of your skin, hit the gym, grow facial hair (or shave it), get a proper haircut, smile more, wear better fitting clothes, etc. A lot of women aren’t asking for perfection, they just want a guy who looks like he put in some effort. Can and have. The fact that I know the below doesn't mean I think there is nothing you can do about it, just that the reality is sobering and harsh. And the reality is that none of that beats an inch…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 02:16 PM
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it was not worth sticking my neck out for this guy. Yes it was. You don't stick your neck out "for that guy", you stick your neck out for the other guys that are getting insulted because someone wanted to take a cheap shot at that guy they didn't like. https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/defending-speech-we-hate The ACLU defends speech it doesn't agree with all the time because that is the point of free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:23 AM
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Because it's still painful, just better than no sex at all. When your needs are met, you stop considering them as relevant to your current mood. Someone who has easy access to food might find plain bread "not great", but someone who is starving would find it delicious. The guys who this has happened to are already having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:07 AM
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They might not be enthused about it, but have them pick between sex and no relationship, and no sex and no relationship, and I bet I know which they'd pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:03 AM
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make the “fuck girls” far ABOVE the league of the types of women these men could date. Sounds brilliant. make sure to include these women are going to be flaky, non-communicative, not care about your sexual pleasure that much, and put other guys above you. So... no change from today. make sure they understand they’re not getting “gf benefits” or emotional labor from these women Also no change from today. So... what many men get today but including sex with hot women. Sounds like a categorical wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:59 AM
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Looks get you a first date For most men the difficulty is getting the first date. So telling them to improve their personality doesn't help them since they can't even get to the point to display that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:47 AM
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Why should she swipe right on someone who she isn't attracted to? Then the bar isn't in hell if the vast majorty of men can't beat the attractiveness bar, through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:45 AM
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More plausible than men online want to believe. He’s not perfect, he’s just emotionally mature and not exhausting to be around. That’s it. That’s the bar. And attractive, which 95% of men aren't to you, which makes that the actual bar. Seriously, if one of your requirements cuts out a much larger proportion of people than the others, that is the bar. A: He’s not common, but he exists. And the real question is: why are so many men more interested in proving he’s fiction than becoming someone like…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 03:43 AM
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Meh, better than no sex at all really. It’s all relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:09 AM
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Do you understand what a subset is? All women that a guy wants to marry he’d also want to casually fuck. This is not true for women. That means that the standards are higher for marriage than sex in the case for men. The standards appear different for casual vs LTR when women are choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:06 AM
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There's talk of women having too high standards or unrealistic expectations, but so what?? Men do too. Men have demonstrably lower expectations and standards than women. The percentage of women whose immutable factors meets men’s dealbreakers/requirements is massively larger than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 04:01 AM
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I never said other men shouldn’t have sex with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:25 AM
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Bombings, shootings, yep. All of that. Having a bunch of lonely young men with no chance of getting wives is the best way to start civil conflict. It’s a big reason polygamous societies tend to be less stable. You need young men who are invested in the system to preserve the system. The “young man’s veto” towards society always exists in the background.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:19 AM
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Again, ignoring the fact that women who do this will get sex, while men who do this won’t. I’m arguing that enforced gender norms. Stop making this about individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:14 AM
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Men have no issue with women not being attracted to fat men though. If a woman tells me I’m too fat for her, I understand and there is something I can do to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:13 AM
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Women literally get to do this daily and don’t suffer sexually for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:12 AM
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Which just means that guys you want to date have a harder time sleeping with you than guys who act in a way where you wouldn’t want to date them long term. Therefore, you are rewarding behavior you don’t like with easier sex. If you have slept with a guy on a first date before, but now won’t sleep with a guy you like because you like him, you are incentivizing men to act in a way you don’t like because it’s more likely to get them sex. like, if you sleep with a dude too quickly, he will assume y…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:11 AM
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If it feels like a “what goes around comes around” situation The problem is that kind of standard usually benefits women, since they will automatically get more empathy from both sexes. So if 2 people do the same thing, the woman will get more defense if she gets body shamed than if the man gets body shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:07 AM
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because she doesn't want to lose her chance with them Men don't get scared off by women sleeping with them. Seriously, that is a myth spread by women to explain why the men they are more attracted to (extremely good looking men with tons of options) aren't committing to them specifically and instead often pump and dump them. The average guy isn't running away from easy sex, they are holding on to that for dear life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:59 AM
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Nope. . Once again removing all accountability from women. Whatever it takes right? And again, if that was the case, she’s still fucking other men on the first date. Her actions are incentivizing men to act in ways she doesn’t “like”.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:57 AM
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Fat women have the option to not be fat. Short men don’t have recourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:51 AM
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“Why don’t men show their emotions?” Yeah, this is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:45 AM
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Yes yes, standard “be a man” enforcing gender norms when women don’t like what men complain about. Yeah, we know that we don’t get to voice our issues or feelings. We know that the moment our feelings become inconvenient to women we are shut down. None of this is a surprise, and it’s why men will continue to, and should, vote against women’s interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 12:08 PM
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Women had to do this in order to push back on stereotypical gender roles for femininity, and men can and should do likewise when they feel that these stereotypes do them harm or contribute to their life dissatisfaction. Women can do this and still get sex. Men can’t. So it won’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 11:00 AM
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Us guys are just as guilty of lacking self reflection and understanding as the ladies. I mean, no. Guys are pretty consistent in what they say they want and what they pick. Women aren’t. It's the same thing with guys that want a pure untouched virgin who will instantly turn into a depraved nymphomaniac for them and them alone I mean, are guys generally picking differently? Given the choice, are guys generally not aiming for that “ideal”? The difference is that what guys say that want and what th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 10:58 AM
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It's not at all, generally men who can get casual sex can get committed sex if they want it. Casual sex is what is difficult for men to get, so it's the best measure of sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:46 AM
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Women who makes men wait usually makes every guy wait Horseshit, I know plenty of women who have ONS and then say they make men "they like" wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:37 AM
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Why does this upset y'all? You've had sex quickly with Stacy, Lacey, and Macy. And they'd have sex quickly with you too. Equal treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:37 AM
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Are they the men that get the most casual sex? If so, they are the ones who are most sexually successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 07:32 AM
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Good lord no it’s not. A huge number of women have a height requirement of 6ft. That’s top 15% of men. How is the bar “in hell” when 85% can’t genetically reach even one common one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:19 AM
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80% would be unicorn level. Incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 01:15 AM
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I suspect it’s very different crowds. But then again, my mother worked super late most days (doctor) so maybe I’m biased
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:43 PM
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Ah yeah, all Muslim countries are uncivilized. Agreed agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 01:41 PM
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Men bring it up as a “gotcha” against women, because they are dismissed when bringing it up in any other context. Take the draft. If I demand for it to be gender equal outside of a gender conversation. The immediate assumption from most women is that I just hate women and want them to suffer in war. When I push for “boy only groups”, the only question I get is “why are you discriminating against girls”. You only see these points in these conversations because conversations on women’s issues actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:44 AM
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children. I don’t understand why more single mothers don’t just give their children to the father and skip town or something Suspect in many cases it’s hormonal. Many women get automatically attached to the baby they just spent 9 months gestating. Evolutionary advantage. So giving up their child is significantly harder since they have an automatic, chemical attatchment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:40 AM
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Yes because telling someone “no” and leaving them alone Which is literally not what was being discussed. But yes. If the only standard is “they are within their rights” then lying for sex is equally “within their rights”. All I’m doing in that case is “hurting their feelings”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:35 AM
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That said most women are nice about rejection for sure, I would say that depends dramatically on your looks. Ugly men get more harsh rejections than good looking men. I don't believe that, even with the same woman, the rejections to an ugly and good looking man are identical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:45 AM
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A woman tried to do that to do me at a social club I frequent. The only thing that saved me was that we had photo/video evidence that she was bullshitting. They were happy to take her on her word until that came out. But of course, when I relay this, people just say I'm making it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:39 AM
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Its okay if people hurt our feelings? Cool, so if I lie to a girl to sleep with her, no issue, it's okay right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:38 AM
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Yes? No issue. The problem is that isn't really the consistent response.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:37 AM
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isn't the other person perfectly within their rights to do that I'm perfectly within my rights to do a bunch of things women complain about on the daily. I can lie to them to sleep with them for example, and that is perfectly legal. Saying "it's within their rights" is the weakest argument for behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:36 AM
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but then they need to take no as a complete sentence Even men who do that get called creeps. So it's not insurance against that. And then you have the subset of women who then get pissed you didn't pursue them after the first no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:34 AM
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A 19yo is not going to be more mature than a 49yo I have met 19 year old men and women leagues more mature than other 49 year olds. A lot of people just don't mature at all, while others mature significantly earlier. Plenty of 49 year olds who act like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 02:30 AM
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Restrict what young people can do if you want to make it gender neutral. Ban dating apps under 25, Ban social media under 25. But in the end, yeah. These things aren’t good for people’s brains, and we shouldn’t be exposing people who are still developing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:12 PM
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The massive proportion of women demanding the top 15% of men in terms of height would be a great start.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:03 PM
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I’m not? A 35-40 year old woman might be less attractive than she was when she was 25, but still be objectively attractive. It’s like a billionaire losing 90% of his wealth and still being “rich”. In 90% of cases, a woman’s attractiveness declines as she ages, but that doesn’t mean she goes all the way to unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 11:26 AM
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No it's not? Lower value doesn't mean not attractive, just less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:45 AM
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Nice of you to assume all or even the majority of slave owners were intelligent I didn’t write that. But regardless, Jefferson was intelligent. Sally Hemings was not a particularly competent slave, so why would she get particularly good treatment? The logic doesn’t line up with what I said. What competencies did she have that would have merited that? Ever read how Cato the Elder said to treat slaves? Cato was a well known conservative even for his time. His views on keeping slaves was considered…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:48 PM
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Yep that’s 1am brain for you. My bad But go on, what unchangable factors about women are men typically picky about?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:40 PM
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They don’t ignore the rest. Do you honestly think if an average woman sent the first message she’s particularly likely to be ignored?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:34 PM
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Women ditch men who don’t play along at first opportunity. There is no reward or benefit for being honest. I trust men who tell me what I don’t want to hear more. There doesn’t seem to be that kind of response from women with regards to men. If you say something a woman doesn’t want to hear, the majority just ditch or get angry, regardless of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:33 PM
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But it definitly never even hinted that my 20% it's the same as your 20%, as 20% of all women Sorry but let’s honest, the 20% overlaps a hell of a lot more than most women are willing to admit. The distribution or right swipes on OLD show that very nicely. Similarly, bumble height filters showing 70-80% of women putting a height floor of 6ft shows that too. I mean, come on. Yes, there are minor differences in tastes. But you really haven’t heard many women say they prefer a short guy have you? .…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:29 PM
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What unchangeable factors are short men typically picky about? If women refused to date fat men for example, that’d be fine because men could actually do something about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:24 PM
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promise you sex, only for you to fix everything in my house, and then i just leave you because i got what i wanted, that's what men are for, why do you act surprised. Meh, women imply this shit all the time to get men to do stuff for them. It’s perfectly legal, and only fans basically commercialized it. Women generally seem to view dating and relationships as “women owe men nothing”, so why would men feel like they owe women even basic honesty? Women defend other women who lie (and typically mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:23 PM
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No, you’d of course expect both. Granted, the primary difference is that in this case, it’s generally women telling on themselves. They think they are in the right when they call a dude creepy for… I dunno wearing a hat. That implies some level of social acceptance. Very few people going on social media and advocating for say, chattel slavery to return. Probably because putting your face next to that is a great way to get fired. Same thing for dudes actively saying “I got a girl pregnant and dit…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:58 PM
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Which is reasonable, seeing as those are the ones they choose to highlight in a thread. If I asked in a thread for example, "what are your bad experiences on the bus" people will generally pick out their worst experiences, not their average ones. Just like a thread about "experiences approaching women" will likely involve a higher percentage of exceptional circumstances and stories as opposed to average ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 04:31 PM
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like. If they don't want to put in the effort then so be it and good riddance To be frank, that is the position of the person who is in the advantageous position in a market. I generally agree with you in theory, but as a matter of practice, that girl who is going with “Icks” will find it infinitely easier to find another date than the guy. It’s a lot easier to be okay with losing something suboptimal when you are reasonably sure you can find someone else easily. You’ll see people who have an ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:51 PM
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Well the fun part is that it’s next to impossible to prove either way eh? Except I’ve heard women use “creepy” on the most trivial shit. So I suspect that the amount of misuse greatly outpaces the amount of objectively creepy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:01 PM
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I didn’t? Go ahead and quote the compliment. And those people were still beaten if they if they even try to ask for the master to do something differently. I never said otherwise? What you are describing has fuck all to do with what I’m talking about, which is competent people management. Whether those people are soldiers, slaves, employees, or team members, the principles behind it remain the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:56 PM
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The “asking to stop asking” would be fine if modern dating didn’t feel like “one strike and I’m out”., That’s more or less what the “ick” phenomenon seems to push. One unattractive thing a guy does irredeemably makes him unattractive. Average Men feel kind of like they have to do absolutely everything right the first time or they get disqualified for the next guy on the first trivial thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:53 PM
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But if someone is the most good-looking person in the world, if they approached me and said all the weirdest, most wrong things, invaded my space, wiped their nose on their sleeve, touched me without permission... That's absolutely not going to be a 'yes' Right, in the most extreme cases, you probably won’t say yes. But as you very much admit, there is very obviously a huge grey area where an attractive person doesn’t get called creepy for doing X, and an unattractive one does. And the reality, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:11 PM
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How the fuck is that glorifying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:08 PM
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Even during slavery competent slaves were given significantly better treatment than average by intelligent owners. That’s just good people management. Publicly reward competence. Privately correct mistakes, publicly punish malfeasance. Management 101 be it an army, a workforce, or even a group of enslaved people. Slavery was normalized because there is nothing natural stopping one human being from owning another. It’s a purely moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 10:53 AM
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There's a range between not asking at all and "asking too much" That range varies woman to woman and often doesn't overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:08 AM
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, but also understand that "no means no." The problem is that many women are pushing "the lack of an explicit yes means no". There are even some who are arguing that an explicit yes can still mean know (the whole fawn response crowd)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:05 AM
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Don't be creepy AKA be attractive. If 2 people do the exact same thing, and one gets a yes and the other gets called creepy, the difference is attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:58 AM
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Only when the woman in question agrees with the statement, otherwise it's sexist to think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:56 AM
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Hilarious, this guy argues your point focused on history and you take it as an attack on your gender. Really shows how quickly women like you like to pull the “woman” card the moment someone contradicts you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:55 AM
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I sincerely doubt women will be saying "oh the reason is because I refuse to communicate".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:28 PM
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are usually only when This involves scale. This implies that what you described is the "primary" reason. The most common one. I'm arguing against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:27 PM
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Ugly doesn’t have social repercussions, getting a rep as an abuser does. I don’t mind if someone calls me ugly, it’s their opinion. Abuser is a question of fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:39 AM
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One guy hasn’t found a woman over 33 he found attractive yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:38 AM
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This is kind of the issue with these groups, they are just open witch hunting of guys. Imagine if similar groups existed about specific women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:59 AM
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Not true. I had a major glow up after I turned 30 Which means that alternative things besides your youth countered the reduction in sexual market value due to getting older. That's not a bad thing. A thin 30 year old will beat a fat 20 year old woman almost every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:58 AM
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zero men will find her attractive at 30 Because she's viewing "less attractive" as being the same as "not attractive".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:57 AM
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Peak value and only value aren't remotely the same thing. It's like saying that a stock is worthless because it's not at all time highs. That's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:55 AM
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imagine how stupid it'd be to listen to a specific woman about how to please that same specific woman It's not interesting to share how to please "you specifically" in a gender debate sub. What is interesting is how that specific experience/opinion connects to wider context. Men here aren't generally saying "no, that's not what gets you off", if anything it's "that doesn't seem representative of most women".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:53 AM
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But then when I did start becoming braver and speaking up, men didn’t like that either, they didn’t like when I had ideas, they felt that was their role. It can be hard to navigate what is required as a woman to be considered “good at sex”. Very different men. Typically more masculine presenting men will feel the need to “not take orders”. Since women tend to prefer more masculine presenting men, they may experience them more. Most of the men I know would love instructions. But personality wise …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:48 AM
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No need to COMPLAIN. Just communicate. “Hey baby I love it when you… “ hey baby squeeze my balls like that again. And also be giving too. When we tell women to do communicate the common answer is “I don’t want to” or “he should just know”. I have no sympathy for men who get instructions and don’t follow them, but i find it far more common that women refuse to give them. Men, generally, are more willing to give instruction in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:45 AM
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“Left unsatisfied” is not the point. Men feel that they can satisfy themselves during sex. They can’t be “left unsatisfied” because they are often doing the physical work to satisfy themselves. The exception are things like blowjobs, which is why men like them so much. Men who can’t come during sex are usually considered defective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:43 AM
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It’s a literal gender debate sub. If you expect people to take you at your word go to twox
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:41 AM
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Sorry, made an edit. And if that makes him “bad at sex” then how does you not doing what he finds pleasurable because you find it not fun not you being “bad at sex”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:40 AM
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they not fun anyway I don’t do them So there are things you don’t do that your partner would find pleasurable because they are not fun for you. So “being fun for you” is still a requirement. So it touching the clit is not fun for the guy, then under your logic he shouldn’t do it. And if that makes him “bad at sex” then how does you not doing what he finds pleasurable because you find it not fun not you being “bad at sex”?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:38 AM
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did not disappoint them because I never approached them as more than a friend. Women on average don’t approach romantically. You can only disappoint people when you don’t meet their expectations or you turn out to be someone that they didn’t expect. I did neither Why would you think that? Their expectations are clearly “this woman is way nicer to me than other women, she could be into me”. Why would the way you present yourself not create that expectation in them?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:36 AM
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generosity absolutely gets you laid No, it doesn’t, looks get you laid. A generous ugly guy gets no sex outside of the extreme cases with gold diggers. A selfish hot guy gets tons of sex from all kinds of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:34 AM
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Communication is just one part of a healthy relationship. if a person can't properly voice their sexual needs they probably need to do some work on themselves before they get into a relationship. Meh. Women don’t really need to work on their personality to get sexual validation, so it makes sense that there is dysfunction there. Men will more or less just deal with it. But appreciate the empathy here. A ton of women just say “that’s not true”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:33 AM
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I wouldn’t mind, but my risk tolerance for that kind of crazy is rather high. I’m much more concerned with getting left than someone coming in too strong. obsessed? Like she has a shrine dedicated to you with your hair, nail clipping, and used q-tips, with candles, and photos of you with everyone else clipped out? That’s a shit shrine. We can do better, and I expect better if someone is going to make a shrine dedicated to me. If you are going to do something you do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:30 AM
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They are allowed to cut you off. You aren’t entitled to their friendship, and you disappointed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:22 AM
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Because generosity doesn’t get you laid? There is practically 0 correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:10 AM
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The complaints and frustration are usually only when the man doesn't even attempt or doesn't listen to her guidance Lmao no. Tons of women say that if the partner doesn’t “just know” it’s not sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:08 AM
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I know what I like and I've never been shy about explaining it. You are very much in the minority of women. Many women would rather fucking die than just give feedback or instruction. It’s incredibly frustrating since I feel like i’m trying to wing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:05 AM
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On one end, it’s partially because women are significantly more heterogenous when it comes to what gets them off during sex. Men are, on average, more consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:04 AM
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Are men not expected to do stuff that they don’t find fun for their partner’s pleasure? Touching the clit for example does bugger all for the guy. You do it for your partner’s pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:01 AM
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Nope. Never happened. I've said no to intimacy before, but that's not "unwanted attention" in the creepy sense. I'm certainly not complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:33 AM
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It is what it is. I learned the important lesson that it’s never worth being vulnerable with a woman you are in any way sexually interested in. No better way to lose any attraction they may have for you. In the end, they have the options to be able to drop me like that. I don’t. So I understand that they won’t bother. Appreciate the sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:21 PM
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Yeah, no issue with you, you aren’t doing what most do and assume that if a woman decided I was no longer sexually attractive, I must have done something to deserve it or that I’m lying. The fact that you are empathetic at all is incredibly rare. It’s very appreciated
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 11:09 PM
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Doesn’t practically matter. They could get into another relationship in a month. I couldn’t. In the end, if I want to keep a relationship, I need to keep any tears to myself at all times. As they put it, “I can’t control what I’m attracted to”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 10:52 PM
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Yeah, decent people besides. It’s not an empathy issue. Just that they were no longer attracted to me even if they understood why I cried. They even agree with you that “it wasn’t right/fair” but, “I can’t control what attracted to”. So that was that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 10:37 PM
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Unlike a job, you don't really need a relationship If I want sex I do. Telling men, "just be single" has never really worked. and you'll be free for when the next person comes along Average men don't just have people "come along". They have to put a bunch of effort and rejection into getting even a date. It's just not the same experience. You're someone with a multitude of options talking to people who have next to none.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:07 PM
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.. drop her. You'll find better See? This is the position of someone who has options. It's like telling someone to quit their toxic job because "they'll find better". For many average men, another option could be years away, with tons of rejection, pain and sexlessness in between. Average men just don't have the options to risk their relationships on anything that isn't utterly essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:22 PM
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I would describe myself the same way but I know from experience that I don't react that way. And all the women I know have been through similar experiences with their partners without any issue. Please do remember that I sincerely doubt that the women who broke up with me for it actually told their friends the exact reason. If I had to guess it'd just be "incompatibility" at best. You might not know if these women had left previous partners for similar reasons. It's not like they were proud abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:18 PM
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2 personal examples. I cried at my grandmother's funeral. Nothing crazy, just tears. My girlfriend of 1.5 years "lost attraction" due to it and left me. I also cried when my pet died. Same result, different girl. Opening up in my case was the one time I dared cry in front of someone who was supposed to be my partner, and who, just like many people in this thread, advocated that men should be more "open emotionally". But when it actually comes to backing up their words, it's "I can't control what…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 06:08 PM
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FWIW, a lot of women are actually pretty good at this. Contrary to what inexperienced men write here, women don't all just resort to random crying and trauma dumping about childhood trauma. Many woman are emotionally stronger than many men even. I see a hell of a lot more women break down crying than men. A guy who stoically says "I don't have the best relationship with my parents. They kinda weren't there for me, and I had to figure a lot of stuff out on my own or with my friends" is being vuln…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:42 PM
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but it's worth doing I mean, I agree, but I really don't see it ever happening. In practice, whenever a dilemma between men's emotions and women's discomfort comes up, I've found that women will automatically argue for the option that reduces (other) women's discomfort. But hey, maybe i'm being too pessimistic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:33 PM
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Right, but there are no cultures where emotionally open men are considered more sexually attractive. It seems to be inbuilt in how women are attracted to men. We can actually moderate this with most social situations. But sexual relationships more often come down solely to what the woman gets turned on by (just due to higher average libido of men). To take an example, if I felt disgusted by seeing someone with a deformity and made that known, I'd be socially ostracized. However, a woman who "get…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:27 PM
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I mean, great? It's not that no women will stick with you if you show emotion, it's that the risk reward just isn't there. The reality is that men don't want to flip that coin. Risking blowing up a relationship because of it just isn't worth it, and men don't have the abundance of options women do when single.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:23 PM
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and that many women do need to learn how to sit with their discomfort to hold space for male vulnerability/feelings. The thing is, they don't really have to. Women, especially young women, are more or less encouraged to "go with their feelings" on things. Get the "ick" because your boyfriend cried at his grandma's funeral? Dump him, nobody will judge you for it. You can't control what you are attracted to after all. There isn't really any incentive for young women to try and "push through" disco…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:20 PM
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both women and men enforce it Sorry, but in this case, women enforcing it matters a hell of a lot more. I'm not, and have never lost a male friendship due to opening up. I have lost 2 separate relationships. If women were sleeping with emotionally open men more, you'd see men open up. Women's choices on who to sleep with and date directly enforce this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:13 PM
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'm sorry you had those experiences. Appreciate it Did they place a lot of emphasis on stereotypical gender roles? Not remotely. Both would call themselves feminists if you had asked them. but I honestly just cannot wrap my head around someone reacting like that. You know the funny part? Neither could they before they did. Both were 100% on the "men should open up" train. Then they get the "ick" (in the modern lingo) and boom, relationship over. Personally I could never do that, and if I got the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:09 PM
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But if we teach the children, both boys and girls about opening up (and not making fun of them for opening up), then when those children grow up they should not lose the attraction when the other opens up. Eh, i'm not sure how much of this is "social". As far as I can tell it's an innate, visceral reaction, not a learned or logical one. The women who broke up with me over it were straight up devastated by it, but to quote them "I can't control what turns me on". Women who wore pants weren't soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:04 PM
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Be a fat woman and then get back to me Being fat is a choice. If you choose to be fat, you are accepting the treatment that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:53 PM
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Men need to settle for the normal restaurant as well All women are able to provide the chad treatment. That is a choice. Men are physically unabe to "provide" the 10/10 treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:48 PM
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. People are generally bad with someone opening up to them. The removes the gender specific issue from the situation. Men, by and large, don't lose sexual attraction to women who open up to them emotionally. Women often do. Yes, this can happen. How common is it? No idea. I personally have never experienced or witnessed it. Blew up 2 separate relationships due to crying. Once at my grandmother's funeral, the other when my dog died. Both women said that it's unfair, but that they lost sexual attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:41 PM
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None of this really solves the issue that a man who opens up to his girlfriend is risking blowing up the relationship. So long as women can just "flip the switch" on sexual attraction at a whim and blow up a relationship, men won't risk it. The risk reward just isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:38 PM
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Yep, just like men have no incentive to be honest with women re:commitment. And since women have no issue with other women lying about their sexual past, there is no reason to be honest with them about anything regarding commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:53 AM
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Except for the occasional nutjob that any group has, rudeness is only in response to overstepped boundaries or harassment. If the definition of “overstepped boundaries or harassment” was socially consistent, then there wouldn’t be a problem. The problem is that since we have given up on “social norms” for “individual experience”, the number of people who have decided that any unpleasantness is harassment has skyrocketed. We can call them “nut jobs” all we like, but previously the nutjobs were so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:19 PM
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if I complain about being overwhelmed on dating apps, You literally control how many people you swipe on and talk to. If you are overwhelmed it's because you are swiping on too many people at once. Just swipe on a couple, enjoy a 50% match rate and talk to men one by one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:41 PM
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If that's how women are reacting, then those men need to work on their social skills with a trained professional. Men have never needed to do this before. Men's social skills haven't deteriorated, women's grace has just dropped off a cliff. You can't expect women to be subjected to unpleasant or offensive conversations and then get mad that they won't tolerate it. They're not practice dummies for you to train on. I'm subjected to those kinds of conversations from women ALL THE TIME. I deal with …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:28 PM
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It's also that even 20 years ago, women were generally raised to be polite. The modern concept is full on "girlboss", which usually just translates to ignoring everyone else's feelings and responding with hostility and rudeness to anything you don't immediately like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:23 PM
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A few guys here have mentioned women being overly rude for no reason Because they can be, and other women won't ever take the side of the guy. A lot of social norms and politeness are basically the lines that the rest of society tolerates. Young women can basically do whatever they want and suffer 0 societal consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:19 PM
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It's really weird for anyone to have that mindset imo but im asking what is the risk to you personally if a woman is offended by that basic interaction? At work? Get fired. At a club? Get banned. In a social group? Get ostracized. How many times have y'all come across a woman who took offense from you approaching and then did something to harm you just based off that? How many times have they successfully harmed you? 3 times, once successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:14 PM
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It's women's responses to poor social skills that make it incredibly daunting to learn. No shit men blame women when they are given zero grace and the choice of how a woman decides to respond to a situation can get them freaking fired or banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:11 PM
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He is able to do what he does due to his money and looks Thereby showing that men struggle with women because of money and looks, not personality. Men with bad personalities but money and looks get women, men with good personalities but without money and looks get none. And show me where I said women treating men badly is "perfectly acceptable"?? Sorry, but I have yet to see women on this website actually say that men deserve anything. Go to any thread where ghosting is discussed, and men are re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 02:00 PM
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Noone needs to sleep with anyone at this stage. It's called being a gentleman and being considerate of a woman who could be hurt by you Women regularly say that men deserve no explanations or anything from women. Women can ghost and receive 0 pushback from other women due to “safety concerns”. But now men are expected to do all of what you said, for someone that has 0 obligations towards them. Seems incredibly inbalanced. It’s perfectly acceptable for women to completely ignore men’s emotions an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:50 PM
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What’s your point? I never said that they respect bi men, I said that they’ll sleep with them and aren’t repulsed by them the way women are. My entire point is that there isn’t an aversion specifically towards bi people from men, only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:45 PM
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If someone laid out in the first few messages that they were looking for FWB most women would just immediately unmatched. Why does he have to make the call whether he wants FWB or a relationship on the spot? Are women expected to say whether they are going to fuck a guy before the date otherwise she’s wasting his time? Plenty of women I’d be fine with an FWB arrangement but wouldn’t want a relationship with. How am I supposed to know before the date if I want either?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 08:18 AM
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And since most unsuccessful men are being rejected for looks. That’s what they need to improve. Because their female friends aren’t interested in them because of looks, and they can’t get dates because of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:15 AM
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I think women have an issue with it. I find men are much less opposed to their girlfriends being bi. I find gay men will sleep with bi men. Straight men will sleep with Bi women. Men might be weird about bi women. But they won’t dislike them for it unless they are generally homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:25 PM
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Who’s paying for the paternity tests? The same people who pay for pap smears despite never getting one in their life? I pay for Plenty of medical procedures that I would NEVER benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:36 PM
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take the paternity test in secret and never speak about it Literally illegal in my country (France). The paternity test would have no weight. I'm not expecting a man to be happy if he finds out his wife thinks he'll turn around and abuse her after years of loving marriage. And yet plenty of women argue that men who are upset when they find out about a go-bag are just secretly abusers. I guess we agree that those women are idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:34 PM
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I'd prefer the paternity test to be standard at birth, but if women don't want that, then taking liability for any potential mistake in paternity is fine too. In the end, only the woman knows 100% if there is any chance that the man isn't the biological father.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:24 PM
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And you run those fathers dna tests through the crime database for any crimes he may have committed Meh, that's fine. I don't mind it since I haven't committed crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:03 PM
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Women seem to have no problem with other women having a "go bag" and separate financial accounts in case the man becomes abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 02:02 PM
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a paternity test can be done without her consent or knowledge Not in France, if you try it it's illegal and inadmissible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:58 PM
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What would you like women to do about it? Actively support paternity tests at birth? For women who aren't deceiving men, there is no real downside. Most women are against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:56 PM
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And how are you going to prove that she willingly lied to him? Don't need to. She just has to sign that he's the only man she has slept with in the past 9 months at point of birth. If she declines to, then a paternity test is automatic before paternity is assigned. Boom, done.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:54 PM
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No, I meant if you have some kind of roster of young hot supermodels who all want you He clearly never alleged that. Never even came close. Why do you think you needed to jump to something he never said?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 01:50 PM
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Just as the chad is rude that's why he gets chad treatment. The women that are rude and somewhat pretty also get princess treatment Men happily acknowledge that pretty women get treated better. It's just that it's also true that women get treated better full stop. The thing is, when you ask a man what he's looking for in a woman, he'll actively put looks as part of the requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:25 AM
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Meh, whatever, sounds fair if you are both about to have a fucking child. If you're going to give birth to my child, and that means you want to go through my devices to make sure before you make that call, i'm fully on board. Go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:05 AM
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truly average women (overweight ones) Remember, being overweight is something you can change. Short guys can't do shit about their height, and that is just as important as weight is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:06 PM
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but I don’t think average men are exactly struggling to get sex with overweight women Incorrect. Even overweight women can get easy sex and therefore have decently high standards for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:49 AM
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Because people are clearly willing to sell sexual access. If you want to ban it, go ahead, in which case let's stop with the "Sex work is real work" bullshit. Can't have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:50 PM
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If I'm doing the dishes against my will, I'm an adult. If I'm having sex against my will, I'm being raped. It's not against your will, you are being paid. If I am being paid to do a job, are my rights violated in any way?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:46 PM
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Then stop calling sex work "real work" and ban it. If it's so terrible, it shouldn't be allowed. If it's allowed, it shouldn't be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:45 PM
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Tone deaf The guy was upfront about his intentions. That is precisely what women insist on men doing. Suddenly when men are upfront it's also a problem. She was a virgin from a culture that as a rule doesn't have sex before marriage Well he was also from that culture and clearly wasn't a virgin. So there is clear homogeneity. How is he supposed to know she's a virgin, it was a first date. Do you really think their is a chance someone waiting for marriage would just agree to sex on the first date…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:42 PM
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That’s… incredibly common. Many Women very often make the assumption that any man that gets physically abused or attacked by a woman somehow deserved it. I appreciate that you view it that way. Please do understand that in my experience, you are a slight minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:37 PM
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from someone who does not have casual sex, How was he supposed to know she wouldn’t want to without asking? He asked. She answered. She got offended he even asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:35 PM
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Everyone's gotta learn somehow. Perfectly good question considering your position. Take care!.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:25 AM
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Ah okay, fair. complete opposite really. The more turned on a guy is the harder it is to forestall orgasm. It's very common for a guy's mind to be willing but his penis is just going "i'm tired boss".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:13 AM
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I say that "she's crazy" because "she stabbed me and laughed about it" is a little heavy for most conversations. Despite everything, i'm not interested in airing dirty laundry in detail, i'll just say "she's crazy". Besides, a bunch of women will then ask "what did you do to deserve getting stabbed", and that's a level of hypocrisy that i'm not interested in dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:49 AM
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If she's hot, shouldn't you last longer What? I’m genuinely curious as to what the logic is behind this. The more the guy is turned on the faster he orgasms. No different from a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 03:49 AM
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Not remotely. Women actively dare hot misogynists
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:25 AM
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I had a young women, a recent immigrant, and virgin tell me about her time on dating apps. She met with a guy from her own country (she came here alone) and he had the nerve to suggest they become FWBs the first time they met. Women tell men to be upfront about their intentions, and then are offended when they are. There is literally no winning. Guy was looking for casual sex and was honest about it instead of lying. Isn’t that what women are asking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 02:20 AM
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if there was society restriction to this then it would have been abolished because people want to break free, yet it seem to be what the people want. It’s not, no more than young men want to be conscripted and have to serve military service while women get to freely do as they wish. We are living in a time of unprecedented *women’s * freedom. Many unfair societal requirements that disadvantage men continue to exist. Men are forced into being the ones to approach due to nature, and women aren’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:31 PM
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btw i agree it's MUCH harder on men but also... that's how it always has been and how it is with most mammals.. A naturalist argument also makes the argument that men should lead and women should be required to take care of the kids. Saying “that’s how it always has been” is the same argument that can be used against things like women having a choice in husbands, or marital rape being legal. It’s not a great argument for why a state of affairs should continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:51 PM
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Because most people won’t see the issue with their logic unless the subject is a group they support. I’m not ignoring her logic, I’m just making sure she is okay with it being applied consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:44 PM
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Saying we should ignore that and accept redpill, leans on being the "no true scotsman" fallacy How is this massively different from women who say that the extreme feminists don't represent feminism and demand that men don't judge the movement based on the loud extremists?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:28 AM
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You'll likely miss "the one" if you overwhelm yourself with choices. Explore a couple options in detail, then if none of them work out, move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:25 AM
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all I am saying men are hypocrites. They hate sluts while wanting woemn to become sluts for them Where is the hypocrisy? Men want women to sleep with them. Not other men. That is literally it. There is no hypocrisy. Men are fine to sleep with a slut, they don't want to marry one, no hypocrisy either. Different actions have different requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:37 AM
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Since most women dgaf. Most men can also choose to dgaf when women are abused and mistreated by the suave guy. Or anything else really. Women spent decades arguing that men should take women’s issues seriously, only to flip and said “well we dgaf” when men are having issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:57 AM
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Promote this culture? I'm explaining why women get more backlash than men for it. Both sides are seen as disgusting for doing it, but men get the benefit of at least having it been seen as an achievement since it's genuinely difficult. I heard BB wants to fuck 2000 men in 24 hours. At that point, it's a straight up achievement, considering it goes from a sex problem to a straight up logistics operation. Anything, morally good or bad, can be considered impressive if it is difficult. Genghis khan …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:32 AM
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while a man’s value increases when he does the same This is determined by women not men. The value of something is based on the view of the “buyers” in the market. Considering that women use “virgin” and “can’t get girls” as an insult towards men they don’t like, it seems women are the ones who assign value to men who can attract and sleep with other women. The wedding ring effect is a great example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:33 AM
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But why are women shamed so harshly for it Because it’s easy for women to get sex. If a man managed to do what Bonnie blue did, it’d be an achievement, even if most people would think that he’s disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:29 AM
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Why not? The role of government is to ensure societal stability. A society where many young men are unhappy because they don’t meet the requirements for a relationship is usually unstable (as we historically saw in polygamous societies).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:24 AM
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Not unless a judge orders the test, which they usually won’t to protect “family stability”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:20 AM
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you want the government to influence perception to…make people want to date unattractive/undesirable people? The government and groups in society already influence what is considered attractive. They have done so for hundreds of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:54 PM
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Travel to a nearby country w your kid I don't think you get it, even if I did the test, I'd still be held responsible for the kid since it won't be admissible in court. Also, how well do you think it'll work to tell my wife I'm bringing our newborn child to another country without her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:13 PM
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Because asking for a test is telling her you believe there is a chance she cheated. No different than a woman having a "go-bag" in case her husband turns abusive. And reddit is generally pretty supportive of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:53 AM
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Men can already get dna tests Literally illegal in my country without a judge's order.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:52 AM
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Both people are taking vows That have 0 repercussions for being broken. No fault divorce means that even if one person ignores the vows completely and the other keeps to them strictly, both get equal shares of the marital assets at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:50 AM
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Illegal in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:47 AM
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But, guy quit his job and started working illegaly in different country. He doesn't have any reported income so he doesn't pay any child support. He is living with his new "girlfriend" and they had two kids. So the guy has to break the law in order to screw over the woman, whereas the woman can follow the law and screw over the man. This is the primary difference. Men can screw over their exes after a breakup, but it's almost always in an illegal fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:46 AM
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Huh, I hold precisely the same view on marriage as an institution. Yes, the cheater in the marriage suffers 0 additional consequences compared to the victim. That fact is why I'm not remotely interested in getting married, something that I clearly disclose with women I date, and even despite that i've had 2 cases where the woman agrees to it and then changes their mind and acts as if I deceived them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:44 AM
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Historically, at least the first one was absolutely the responsibility for a feminine wife. Even in Roman times, good Roman women were expected to manage both the household budget, and the slaves. They were also meant to keep their husband tempered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:14 PM
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Way more likely than a man killing a man solely because he is a man. Why? most men are socialized to not hurt women physically, so being a man does make it far more likely that another man will attack you vs being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:36 AM
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Men are told to be accountable for and to suffer the consequences of the actions of other men ALL THE TIME.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:16 AM
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Plenty of women will be happy to call a man who says that misogynistic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:18 AM
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asian tiger moms Asian tiger moms aren't considered "unfeminine". What are you talking about? Being strict with your kids and having high expectations around them isn't unfeminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:06 AM
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If all women decided tomorrow that from now on they only date red haired men, that's their prerogative. No, it really won't be. That would blow up the birthrate and probably end society due to demographic collapse. The only societies that survive will be those that remove choice from women at that level of stratification. Every other society would either become polygamous (and therefore unstable long term) or collapse. At an individual level, preferences are fine, and free association is fine. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:02 AM
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Difference in attractiveness standards. If my attractiveness standard can be met by most women given at least some effort (not fat), then it's fine. If it's impossible to reach for most women, (double H breasts a 2 inch waist and the ability to do a double standing backflip), then it's ridiculous. If you only find the top 1% of men attractive, then by definition your standard is very different from the guy who just wants "not fat". When men and women say the word "Attractive", the difference in …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:55 AM
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Isn’t it just the bare minimum Men have far fewer choices, we can't have too many standards without cutting out all of our options. Do we WANT more? Hell yes. And given options, we'd pick based on the more. But men have to cast a wide net.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:53 AM
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luckily it’s not the only way to date It's existence colors and influences the other ways to date. Women are going to give far less rope to men approaching them in real life if they have in the back of their head the option to conveniently pick from a shopping list of men on an app. You can see it already. Even dating IRL, people have been conditioned to more or less "next" a person at the first "ick" instead of giving things time. Whether or not you use dating apps, their omnipresence has effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:45 AM
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but saying someone is a virgin or is a fat cat woman or small penis'd cant exactly be equated to the societal and historical significance of calling someone a racial slur Why not? Even if it can't be fully "equated" the situations are similar. Simply saying "well it's not as bad" doesn't change the underlying logic. Just because you care less about it for your own reasons doesn't change the logic. If a Russian guy calls me, a white/asian guy the N word. Is he being racist? Or is he just using an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:42 AM
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but a lot of bad partners managed to get dates and relationships not because they're "bad in an attractive way", but rather because they do have some good qualities as well. Those “good qualities” tend to resolve down to “looks” or “excitement”. The excitement tends to come from the bad qualities. In my experience, the non-looks “good qualities” are rather common, and it’s a post hoc justification when the real deciding factor was, “he’s tall and hot”. ,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:20 AM
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In person yes, but due to the prevalence of dating apps and online sources. It’s so much harder for a man to get to the point where he can actually display it. Additionally, it only does so much. In the end, there is a looks bar you have to beat, and it has gotten incredibly high over the past 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:18 AM
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Ending the glass ceiling is what helps women. What helps men is ending the expectation that men have to earn more and be at least equally educated to date. If you end the first without the second, low earning men get left behind. Feminists are usually happy to do the first, but any discussion on having women change their preferences to include lower educated and lower earning men (which is what is needed to change the societal gender role) dies immediately. It’s the same with expecting men to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:11 AM
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They are all necessary, but looks can lower the social skills and confidence bar incredibly low. Low looks can put the social skills and confidence bar to impossible to reach levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:09 AM
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Social support for women having problems and rugged individualism for men having problems seems to be the running theme yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:08 AM
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Does that make them a misandrist? If I use a racial slur “because it works”, would I not still be a racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:06 AM
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Does that make them a misandrist? If I use a racial slur “because it works”, would I not still be a racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:06 AM
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It’s a matter of proportions. If say, 90% of young women are attracted to that kind of man. Then the 10% of exceptions don’t really factor in. In the end, as men have to approach, and most approaches fail, dating is much more of a numbers game. So if a certain personality type works with most young women, then that is what men should strive to project.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:03 AM
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You realize one can want both right? I like fish and chips. I haven’t eaten fish and chips in years now. Does that mean I don’t want and like fish and chips?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:05 AM
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some of them were just young and inexperienced with maybe some troubled childhood/teen years" Those young and inexperienced years are men’s formative experiences around what women want. And men absolutely want to date young women, especially when they themselves are young. Saying, “only young inexperienced women will like you” if you act in such a way is not a downside for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 01:03 AM
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I would say that the percentages would remain the same. The top 20-30% would be getting effectively ALL the "most compatible"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:33 PM
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This idea of women running off with millions after a divorce settlement is erroneous as all hell and often the result of extrapolating out from divorce settlements among the super rich. We are literally talking about gold diggers here. Those are the divorces that matter. Just because a woman ends up poorer than the man, doesn't mean that she didn't financially benefit from the arrangement. If I make 10x what a woman makes, and the alimony means that she makes twice what she otherwise would have,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:33 AM
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Gold digger that won’t leave is the point. Gold diggers in the west are often financially rewarded for marrying a dude and then leaving him. Plus they won’t even do anything during the marriage to compensate for being a gold digger. Less so in more conservative countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:47 AM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/10/03/american-household-income-top-50-percent/75322847007/ READ THE SOURCE LINKED. It is talking about HOUSEHOLDS not individuals. It literally fucking says household right above what you just quoted. Here is how much household income you would need to qualify for the top U.S. income brackets in 2023, according to a new Motley Fool analysis: I do not know how much simpler I can make this for you? This isn't individual income. Is reading really that hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:10 AM
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Also because people date within their socioeconomic status and education level anyway Men historically didn't. They were happy to date down socioeconomically. I consider that a good income but not a high income in 2025. The fuck? That's top 6% of income earners. 200k does not even get you into the top 10% right now. Of households. For individual income earners, that's top 6%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:55 AM
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for college educated people in USA is 77k "for college educated people". So you are already cutting out half the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:43 AM
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so tough luck buddy Cool, so when women complain about losing access to abortion. "tough luck buddy". When women complain about harassment "tough luck buddy", When women complain about fucking ANYTHING "tough luck buddy". If "this is unfair" is not a good reason to change a thing, then a lot of things women complain about and seek to change become "tough luck buddy"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:42 AM
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Why can't men do this? Because women view men who do this poorly. Men do not view women who do this poorly. That's it. Men appreciate women who are direct and upfront, because that is what men tend to respond best to. So it's better for the woman to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:40 AM
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says the one who does the asking pays the first date So long as social etiquette also says that a man has to be the one to approach and ask for a date, then the social expectation is that the man pays. There really isn’t a “should” here, you should find someone with compatible views to yourself and do what makes you feel best. Interesting. Women for decades have demanded that men change their more traditional views and accept women who deviate from traditional gender roles, but when the advantag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:38 AM
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Yes… my source is called going outside and meeting people. The plural of anecdote is not data. Sorry, but this is functionally no different than someone dismissing climate science by saying that “it’s snowing a lot where I am”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:36 AM
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Depending on your standard, it might not be “mothering”. If everything has to be clean and perfect all the time for you to be comfortable, then all you are doing is satisfying your own neuroses. You aren’t doing anything for the guy’s good. To take an extreme example, imagine dating someone who insisted that nothing be left in the laundry basket and all dirty clothes should be cleaned immediately. They took your used clothes and immediately throws them in the laundry one by one to be cleaned and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:12 AM
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I mean... could it be that they only find that percentage attractive but the parameters are different for every woman? Let’s be honest, they really aren’t. Put 10 random men in a room, and ten random women to pick who is the best looking guy there anonymously, and 2-3 will get all the votes. https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ Ok Cupid data showed that women rated the majority of men as below average. Another example https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:06 AM
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About one in two I’d say. The worst are tall girls. They seem supernaturally offended that a guy shorter than them would even try.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:41 PM
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Like if I tell you how to grill a steak better, you might still burn it. What? If that’s happening you gave shit advice or they didn’t follow it. Reverse sear a steak, use a thermometer, and sear it for a short time on either side and the end. Literally fucking foolproof if you follow the instructions. Good advice works when it’s followed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:36 PM
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Yeah, I was a little surprised since it looked like you typed that all at once on mobile.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:21 PM
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Wow… Well at least we know you suck at math. Like, you picked the numbers and it’s 80% ish at best. I won’t even argue that most of the men women have sex with probably suck at pleasing them. Since a tiny minority of men have most of the casual sex, the ones that get a ton of it don’t need to be good to get it and won’t care. Meanwhile the ones who get very little have very little opportunity to practice. Even then, women are significantly more heterogenous in what gets them off during sex than …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:12 PM
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I am so sorry that sharing my life story on Reddit aggravates you. Never understood you types I have no issue with long posts. I've written many myself. Read what I wrote. Paragraphs. If you are going to write something long. Break up your writing into paragraphs. Makes it far easier to follow the meaning and for others to respond. Each paragraph making a specific point. It literally costs nothing, and makes it infinitely better for everyone involved. Come on, we all went through high school eng…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:58 PM
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It’s easier for men to use the apps without getting violated with unwanted dick pics If you told men they could increase their success 2x but would get dick pics on the regular, they would happily take the dick pics. The dick pic thing just wouldn't be a concern for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:07 PM
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So... you want women to date men they don't find attractive I want things to change such that women's hedonic treadmill isn't so utterly fucked by age 21 that they only find 10-20% of men attractive. If you believe what people find attractive has NOTHING to do with the society they live in, then I have a bridge to sell you. If most women only found 6ft+ men attractive, then yes, they need to fucking fix that because that's as ridiculous of a standard as if men only found skinny women with DD bre…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:51 PM
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A. Not just "not fat", but "not fat" is one of them. B. Not fat is a trait literally anyone can have. Anyone who is fat is generally fat due to their own decisions. It's very different from an immutable trait. If your requirements are an immutable trait that the vast majority of men don't have, and that requirement is shared by many women, it's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:47 PM
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When women say they want a good man, the above paragraph is considered a given. When 80% of men are considered "unattractive", then men's personality doesn't seem to matter all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:43 PM
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are there actually any men out there that consider themselves a 'bad man' Loads. They usually do great with women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:42 PM
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Some women are height queens. Not all of them are My dating app match rate multiplies by 4-6x if I increase my height from 5'11 to 6'0. Sorry, but enough of them are. There is no unchangeable factor in a woman that is nearly as impactful as height is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:41 PM
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or they don’t meet their personal standard of compatibility Which just so happens to be damned similar to everyone else's "personal standard of compatibility". Look, let's be honest, women aren't special snowflakes when it comes to preferences. You put 10 random guys (same age) into a room and have 10 women decide which she is most "compatible" with anonymously, and you're going to end up with 2-3 guys getting all the "compatability".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:38 PM
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Personally, i dont like casual sex. So the idea of being a lamborghini doesnt matter to me. Right, but as a woman, you can get "lambo" amounts of casual sex anyway. So the fact that it doesn't interest you doesn't really matter. For you, casual sex is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:31 PM
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Holy paragraphs Batman. This is a mess to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 11:01 AM
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Most men value both. Casual and non-casual. Average person has to work 100 times harder to get what a rich person would get. And the person still wouldnt get what the millionaire gets. Life is unfair by design. Being jelaous for how some men look is just not a good way to approach life. And yet most on Reddit argue an inheritance tax and taxes on high incomes are moral. “Life isn’t fair” isn’t considered a reasonable or acceptable argument there. If you dont look like the man who got casual sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 10:58 AM
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I dont see why the more reliable car should be offended. Ofcourse theres an ego issue, a lamborghini isnt a Toyota. Because the reliable car has to work for sex and jump 50 different hurdles while the lambo gets it easy. Why wouldn't the reliable car be offended by that? All men dont value women like me. Some have even been offended I refuse to offee causal sex before any emotional connection. Because the assumption is that you've offered it to other men before. If that isn't true, then you're a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:55 AM
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When choosing a car for life you care more about the cost of upkeep, milage, safety and how much fuel it takes. When going for a joyride you really mostly care about looks and then perhaps safety. And no man wants to feel like a sedan. Hence, Alpha fucks, beta bucks. The good looking guy can get no commitment, easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:30 AM
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Looks and height matter less when youre looking for a life-partner Sorry, but most men spend their entire youth being told they aren't good looking enough and too short for sex, and then later on women can flip on a dime and say "well now I'm looking for a life partner and you're good enough". This is why "husband material" is seen as an insult to a lot of men. It implies "You aren't good looking enough for me to have sex with you absent of your personality/assets". This is also why men respect …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:28 AM
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I bet you think that includes you. Haven't cheated, not aggressive and yeah calm. Those aren't exactly rare traits, so I don't know why you think I wouldn't be included in that. But no, I was referring to other single men. I bet I could point out a lot of mature even tempered women and you’d ignore them for being too fat and too old. But I wouldn't say that "calm and even tempered" is what matters. I've literally put down my actual preferences and specifically say "not fat" which is under your c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:24 AM
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I wont claim anyone will be swimming in pussy if you get some standards, but at least your more likely to get a nice person rather than a user. Again, if you are getting nobody, then none of that actually matters does it? And yes, better a "user" than nothing. When you are someone who has always had a choice of options, it's hard to empathize with someone who literally had none.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:21 AM
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men destroys female self esteem and desire to date anyone Sounds like female self esteem is fragile as fuck then. Seeing as people expressing interest in you is enough to destroy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:20 AM
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And if I the only way I will ever get laid or have a date again is me walking up to men minding their own business and trying to strike up a convo, So... What men have to do? I'd rather just stay single than have to get 50 "why is this woman trying to talk to me looks" before one guy says yes Bullshit, assuming you aren't going for top 5% men you'll get a success within 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:19 AM
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physical argument actually works well even with your example. Women are more self-preservation focused So we agree. The difference is that if a woman chooses wrong, she might die. Right, so we agree that men would mind that less. This means women have to do their best to filter. I have trouble understanding how looks and height filters, that cut out the vast majority of men, have any actual bearing on whether or not a woman is going to get murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:17 AM
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There is no validation in sleeping with a guy who’d sleep with anyone I'm not even talking about sleeping with someone. I'm not exactly sleeping with gay men who hit on me. It's about having any sexual validation At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:37 AM
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no kids (I don't want any, I don't want to date dads) and no conservatives. Well, I'm on the same page with no kids, and i'm not conservative (not american conservative anyway) myself, so I understand, but you are cutting out something like 75% of the population of your age group alone with those two standards. Totally fair ones, but best to mention them, especially if you live in a conservative state. No idea how picky you are about the face, but that but i'm assuming that's another 50% cut out…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:05 AM
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Not one of my single 650+ FB friends (which is about 60% male) DMing me wanting to date or fuck Well for a start, practically nobody our age uses Facebook actively anymore, so you’re on the wrong platform. It’s like going to the local bingo tournament and being surprised there is nobody your age interested in you. Side note, you could always just approach men. You’d have an incredibly high success rate compared to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:54 AM
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Validation. Every suitor is unsuitable if your standards are sky high. It makes my week when a gay man hits on me. And he’s not even playing in the same ballpark. It’s hard to empathize with having literally 0 sexual validation unless you experience it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:52 AM
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If your standards literally are “healthy BMI, average salary” then yeah, you should have the pick of the litter. So either you live in a VERY unfortunate location, or you have additional standards that are missing there. Because that describes dozens of single men I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:50 AM
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I think that would absolutely make men happier. I get validation when I get approached by gay men and they aren’t even playing in the same ballpark. The difference between no validation and some validation is VAST, and since most women have never experienced no validation it’s hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:48 AM
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The physical danger argument doesn’t really work with men becuase they are much more risk accepting of physical danger in general. I will willingly do a backflip off a ski jump that could paralyze me for life and it’s still less scary than asking a woman I actually like out. So telling men,”we have more physical risk” doesn’t work because men are already more willing to take physical risks. Hell, I’ve had an ex literally stab me, and that was far less scary than the one batshit woman who went af…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:44 AM
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Date in a way that she’d have no issue telling a future relationship. In the end, it’s your choice, but by extension that means that people are free to judge the implications of that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:39 AM
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I mean, her male equivalent wouldn’t even be getting sex. It’s still easier for her, because at least she was getting something.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:36 AM
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There is such a heavy emphasis on getting a “woman” but not on whether the woman is a good fit. Just more evidence of scarcity. Since a huge number of men basically don’t have enough options to choose, getting the “right” fit is way less important than “any” fit. You’ll wear mismatched clothes if the alternative is being naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:33 AM
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calm even tempered faithful men are unicorns Depending on your environment, yeah. But in my experience, women who say that mean “calm, even tempered, faithful and ATTRACTIVE men” are unicorns. Because I can easily point out 5-6 men that we both know that fit the bill, but since she cuts out anyone she doesn’t find attractive out of consideration entirely, it’s pointless. And if women only find 10-20% of men their age attractive enough to date, then by definition adding a bunch of additional posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:31 AM
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This is one of the best and most level headed explanations I’ve seen in a long ass time in this sub. Please stay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:25 AM
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Over no market at all, which is the case for a lot of men, yeah. Only people with an abundance of choices can afford to be selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 03:08 AM
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For men who are often choosing between nothing and the first example. Many would prefer something. selecting for implies the ability to select. Most men would rather have bad food than starve in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:24 AM
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some sure. But it’s definitely not a minority that do suffer from those issues. Selling yourself as someone the “damaged” women are attracted to probably gets your a larger market than the “normal” women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:22 AM
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So, be a “red flag person”, something you can change and adapt, and get attention from some women. Or be a decent guy and get no attention because you don’t have the looks. The incentive structure here seems warped.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:21 AM
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Rituals that would include sacrificing or torturing something I bet Meh, if all we had to do to was sacrifice a chicken now and then to get people to reduce emissions. That’s a net good. Literally wrote that I’m an atheist. Literally got kicked out of Sunday school as a kid. You sound like someone whose historical and anthropological knowledge of religion basically comes down to “religion bad”. Religion is a useful tool for societies to get things done that is incredibly hard to replace. Secular…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:17 PM
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The biggest point of religion isn’t to get people not to do evil shit. Laws are enough for that. it’s to get people to do things without needing to understand the reason why. Secular systems SUCK at this. The best example I can give is climate change. The science on it is settled. It’s clear. Despite this, we are utterly failing at getting people to actually do things about it En masse. For each individual, not taking steps is more beneficial than to do so. If climate change was a religious issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 05:15 PM
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that's why I dislike religion, it forces everyone to be the same and shames diversity There is a reason why every successful society historically had religion. Getting people to do things following the same social norms has huge benefits for a society as a whole, even if it can be worse for individuals in the society. Most early priests and temples for example were more or less fancy grain silos. If you took 30 farmers and told them that they all had to put their grain in your building (that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 02:42 AM
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Random thoughts on whether historical war criminals were more or less likely to get married than average?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:42 PM
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Make up is socially accepted for regular use No reason why lifts shouldn't be. Things don't become accepted automatically, people start doing them and become normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:18 AM
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I don’t think the comparison to heels or make-up are fair. It’s not the same at all. In what way? Especially with regards to more subtle make up (like concealer), it's actively changing your appearance from what it is naturally. Maybe wearing colored contacts to make your eyes look blue is a fairer comparison I wouldn't mind that at all as a guy. Coloured contacts can be fun and i'd love if they were a more common choice. Wear freaking Sharingan Contacts if you like, it'll be a blast. Not sure i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:05 AM
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Maybe both are deceptive and shouldn’t be worn Without this context most women would say "her body her choice" when it comes to push up bras. "Deception" is only a problem when men are doing it apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:57 AM
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you don't mind if women lie to you about how many dudes they've been with then, right They already do and I'm not socially allowed to be annoyed by that. So since women insisted on this being the standard, let's follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:56 AM
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Bruh, no one is stopping you from styling your hair a certain way And nobody should stop men from wearing height enhancing platforms. but don’t expect people to respect you when they find out. Women would have a fit if men collectively decided to disrespect women who wore make-up, weaves, or push up bras.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:38 AM
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For starters, you can tell when someone is wearing makeup Women keep saying that men can't tell when women wear subtle make-up. If you feel deceived by makeup, that’s frankly on you. No different than a woman feeling decieved by height boosting shoes, that's on her. As for height enhancement stuff like platforms in shoes, you’re deliberately trying to lie about your height And women who straighten their hair are lying about their hair. Women who use skin lightening cream are lying about their sk…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:22 AM
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But makeup we do for ourselves Same for the height boosting shoes. Makes the guy feel more confident. Why is it wrong for him and not for you? If it just so happens to increase his dating chances, well that's no different from makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:19 AM
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Obviously. Still, being in enough of a position of power to commit historically notable war crimes is probably a plus when looking for a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:19 AM
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But I wound call it sad, pathetic and lacking in self confidence How is that any different than a woman using make up or a push up bra to exaggerate features?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:15 AM
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No different from make up, hair straightening, push up bras. If she's willing to lie about something as important as her natural appearance on the first date, then it should be a red flag. If women are going to have unattainable standards for an immutable factor (6ft is 15% of the male population), then men are just going to cheat on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:14 AM
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as you know most men who get women are former war criminals lol Most prominent war criminals were probably married. So being a prominent war criminal might actually correlate closely with having a wife...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:13 AM
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Youth matters more for women Everyone gets to be young. Youth is a 100% hitrate. Men here even like to claim that low n-count matters a lot more for the women and so on. Everyone gets to be low N-count at some point in their lives. Same deal. Men seem to get all the standards that are immutable factors while women get standards that practically any woman can meet at some point in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 05:13 PM
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Leads me to wonder what they're using for "not obese" and where they're pulling their stats 40% of the US is obese. you're just underestimating the level of obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 05:10 PM
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as it is well known high educated women struggle more to find long term relationships That's generally because they absolutely refuse to date down education or income wise. Men absolutely are willing to do that, so their dating pool doesn't shrink as their income rises. If your increase in education only reduces your viable option pool, then yeah. Seems sometimes like all men are taken, and the ones that aren’t turn out to be avoidant attached and not wanting to commit. More men than women are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 05:04 PM
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You realize I controlled by age right? Hence why I said top 8% of women HER AGE? Top 8% of her specified age group was the number I reached.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:58 PM
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I mean, you'll need to ask women that. It's not like men are disgusted when they see their partner cry. For some reason women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:47 PM
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It's an example. It was very commonly viewed as sexist. Let's not try and change history and imply this wasn't derided by feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:45 PM
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It's prejudice because she only does it around men. No different than it being prejudice if I only did it around asian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:26 PM
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Why would it trigger feelings of disgust? It doesn't matter why, it just does, and a bunch of men have had the experience of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:11 PM
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Are you repeatedly told to do these things as a man That I should be ready and able to defend myself against potential attackers? God yes. I've been told to defend myself since I was 8. Are you told if you're attacked by a Romanian that you should have taken steps to prevent it? Yeah? I have been mugged. The first conversation was about how to avoid it in future. And all of that is irrelevant because it's acceptable prejudice against men. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:04 PM
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If you decide to harass Greg over his perceived awfulness, however, is where it becomes an issue. Ah, well that's where the issue lies. If at work, a woman doesn't want to be alone 1:1 with me or another man in a meeting room, it's considered normal and reasonable. If I don't want to be in a room 1:1 with a woman, i'm excluding her from mentorship and being sexist. As per vox. https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/3/31/15132730/pence-women-alone-rule-graham-discrimination I don't have to harass …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:02 PM
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Depends what you mean by more careful I suppose Would rather walk on the other side of the road. Constantly checking behind them to make sure i'm not following them. Holding their keys in their fist. Things they wouldn't do if I was a woman. Meanwhile if I did that with any other demographic specifically it'd be considered prejudicial.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:58 PM
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Is it impossible for you to believe that a woman might be more careful around me because I’m a man vs if she was around a woman? That is prejudice. If I did the same around Romanians because Romanians are disproportionately criminals in my country, that would inevitably be considered unacceptable prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:10 PM
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Right, but let’s be honest, women treat men with caution. And it’s considered acceptable. It’s absolutely a socially accepted prejudice against men. One that wouldn’t really be acceptable for any other demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:07 PM
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If you also meet those requirements it’s reasonable. But far more women who don’t meet those requirements have those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:55 PM
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Makes more than 100k a year is top 20% of US households. That includes older people at their earning prime. 26-31 and 100k a year? Like I fill all those criteria but why would you imagine that is not incredibly rare? At 100k and 31 (the most generous interpretation), that’s the top 17% of income earners. Assuming equal distribution by height, that’s half of them gone (average height is 5’9) Would you classify yourself as the top 8% of women your age?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:54 PM
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I know you are just trying to gotcha me, but since you gave me clear skin, men in Prussia were expected to have scars. Men without scars were considered poor husband material and unmanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:46 PM
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Sure, and she thinks the same As a woman, she’s far more likely than me to get a yes asking out any random man. It’s just that women generally have a vastly lower tolerance for rejection than men. She obviously doesn’t think the same seeing as it’s incredibly likely she has not approached nearly as many men. There is a good chance that she’s never directly approached a man in the life, so “don’t see why I’m required to do it every time” can’t be going through her head.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:37 PM
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Yes, that’s putting the rejection in her mouth without asking her. If she was interested, she can approach me. Don’t see why I’m required to do it every single time. Plus tall women have previously seemed offended I even asked. As If I should know better. I knew not to ask based on experience, not what I was taught. The primary difference is I tried and it was the tall women in question that laughed and shit talked my height (I’m 5’11). They were not stoked I approached them. The rejections were…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:13 PM
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You wanna keep your girl long term? Be kind to her. Put in effort. That's it. That's the secret. Did that, got left. The consistent feedback is that I didn’t do anything wrong they just “fell out of love”. Even a year later they’ll say I was lovely and put in a bunch of effort. So yeah, not sure I believe that at this point. Better to just take what you can get since women will leave you on a dime.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:51 AM
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So it's not related to beauty, but to attractive traits like being wealthy, which is universally attractive What is considered a "signal of wealth" is incredibly cultural though, and can be conditioned into a population. The actual signals of wealth and the signals of wealth that the average person recognises are completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:31 AM
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but in Australia I would think the average height for a man is somewhere between 5'9-6'3. it's 5'9. That's the 50th percentile. At 188cm you are at the top 2% based on this chart of height at 18. http://insideoutinstitute.org.au/assets/boys%20percentile%20charts.pdf For reference, if you were the top 2% of income earners. You'd be making 250k a year. That is how exceptional your experience is. Crazy that 5'11 vs 6' does so much for you, im not saying i don't believe you but I am saying its crazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:32 AM
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I can understand being cautious around men, pretty sure most women have at least one unpleasant story of a guy being aggressive/following them/not taking no for an answer, and many of us have more than one of these experiences. If it's okay to be more cautious around a gender due to specific experiences around that gender, can that same response be considered acceptable in the case of race or nationality? If I was mugged by a Roma gypsy, would I be reasonable in being cautious around Roma gypsie…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:55 AM
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Is your height requirement for men (percentile of height for gender) significantly higher than your own height percentile (for your gender)? Possibly unreasonable. Is your income percentile requirement significantly higher than your own income percentile? Possibly unreasonable. Start combining these things and you are reaching the point of being "almost certainly unreasonable". Additionally, Standards that are entirely immutable are probably less reasonable than those that are mutable. Note that…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:50 AM
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I am 6'2. Brother, you are already the top 4% of height. That's an INCREDIBLE advantage that is entirely genetic. My match rate quadruples when I increase my height from 5'11 to 6ft. Literally nothing else I can possibly do will have that kind of effect. But my jaw is from being fit No man, your Jaw is Genetic. The fact that you are fit just means it's not wasted. A fit guy with a bad jawline doesn't look like you. No amount of fitness helps a weak jawline. https://zenithcosmeticclinics.co.uk/co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:29 AM
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And in my experience, the people who don't believe stupid, impossibly stupid shit like this outnumber the ones who do by at least 10k to one In my experience this shit is significantly more common than that. Especially something as crazy as 10k to 1. Tons of people believe stupid, impossibly stupid shit, otherwise a ton of things wouldn't have a market. The homeopathic medicine market is 10 billion a year
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:18 AM
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No it IS the bare minimum though It isn't the bare minimum to get laid because it's not even a requirement. How do you know who women are sleeping with Are we really going to go back into the argument over whether women sleep with good looking assholes? Because this always results in "well yes they sleep with good looking assholes but that's their choice".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:09 AM
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That’s just life though Many things are "just life". We allow people to complain about and demand changes to many things that were previously "just life".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:07 AM
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You don’t need to be in a relationship for sex though Average men don't get that option. You need a friends with benefits not a romantic partner Honestly if I was given that choice, I'd take it, but the reality is that average men usually don't get that option. So my only option for sex is a relationship. Women and good looking men don't need to be in a relationship to reliably get sex. Average men don't get that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:05 AM
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I am incredibly average looking Dude you are a white dude with a sculpted Jaw, good facial hair, and I'm willing to bet at least above average in height. That automatically makes you WELL above average in the dating market due to entirely genetic factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:03 AM
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https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/venus-figurines-theory-scn Seemingly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:53 AM
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venus figurines Supposedly there is some controversy as to whether those were "survival" symbols as opposed to "sex" symbols.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:50 AM
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Not quite. To quote the other person who responded to you. Less sexual freedom (ex. via banned abortion) = bigger focus on safe relationships = more men get laid in total (since more men qualify for relationships than for casual). The only increase in access in the pro-choice world is attractive men getting laid even more often than they originally would. But it's a lower number of men getting laid overall. By making sex a bigger commitment and risk, women are forced to only get sex in committed…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:48 AM
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They do. Men (technically) get more access to sex if abortion is legal and available They don't. More young men are sexless today than when abortion was more restricted. Access to abortion just means that the total amount of sex goes up. but the distribution is almost exclusively to the top % of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:33 AM
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I promise regular IRL interactions with people will allow you to instantly identify certain types of stupid shit online. So if you encounter this IRL, will you admit it's not "stupid shit online", or will you just ignore it as an outlier? I think this is dumb as bricks, but that kind of logic is evergreen. Ignoring data because your personal anecdotal experience doesn't line up with it isn't exactly what we want to encourage is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:25 AM
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Women shouldn’t care, they shouldn’t do anything. Agreed, and in the same way, men shouldn't care. See? We agree. Men shouldn't care about what women care about, women shouldn't care what men care about. They should just act in their own self interest. Neither owes the other anything. Equal. then what’s the point of having this conversation Many women seem to believe that women don't owe men anything, but when that is flipped around, have a problem with it. As long as people are consistent with …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:23 AM
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To be fair, the definition of "fat" would be "chubby" today. Not many truly morbidly obese women held up as beauty symbols even historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:20 AM
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Personality is simply just the bare minimum It's NOT THE BARE MINIMUM. If women are still sleeping with good looking assholes, it's not the bare minimum is it? Good looks are the bare minimum, everything else is a nice to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:16 AM
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I'm challenging your statement From what I've read, many are theoretically okay with these preferences as long as you don't put hard numbers on them Men are NOT theoretically okay with these preferences, when unreasonable, REGARDLESS of whether hard numbers are used. You are the one that asserted that HARD NUMBERS are what makes men bristle (then used that to attack men), when it's actually the reasonableness of the standard, hard or soft, that does it. You are the one asserting that a hard numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:13 AM
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There wouldn’t be a whole lot of women interested in the ‘average’ guy regardless of standards and metrics placed on him most women don’t want an ‘average’ man Thank you, most women on this sub will never actually admit that. Fully agree. Okay but that’s just unrealistic I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman say she want a man who’s 5’ im sure those women do exist but that’s definitely just not what’s desirable to most The point isn't what is realistic. The point is that it has nothing to do with…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:12 AM
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Why even be in a relationship if you feel so scorned though Because sex is fun? stop punishing women in your personal life for your pre conceived notions on the dynamics between men and women Are you acting like women here don't say "Women don't owe men anything"? And I'm not "punishing them" if they aren't owed anything. Just like women aren't "punishing men" they aren't interested in, because men aren't owed anything right? If you disagree, please do say precisely what you think women owe men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:08 AM
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From what I've read, many are theoretically okay with these preferences as long as you don't put hard numbers on them This was your assertion. So they'll say they're okay with "makes more than me" or" is taller than me" but you can't say things like must make six figures or must be 6 ft. Which is misleading, because men wouldn't have any issue with 5 figures or 5 feet, thereby implying that "putting hard numbers on it" is not the problem, the numbers you choose are. When called out, you wrote. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:05 AM
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Not sure why men think women's preferences need to include or qualify a specific threshold of men You misconstrue men’s position and when rebutted, move the goalposts to “well they shouldn’t matter anyway”. At least acknowledge that the issue isn’t “numbers” as you put it, but what those numbers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:25 AM
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That’s not about numbers, it’s about what is reasonable at a societal level. Most men are taller than most women. A universal “must be taller than me” standard still leaves a ton of women for the average guy. Meanwhile a 6ft standard cuts out 85% of men immediately. Same thing with income. Most men can see themselves out earning the average woman. Six figures on the other hand, might be out of reach. Additionally, comparing to yourself will always seem far more fair. “I’m fit, I want my partner …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:41 AM
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Beauty standards are absolutely societally influenced. People from cold countries often value tanned skin, people from the tropics tend to try and keep their skin as light as possible. The main cause is that both those things, in those countries, signal wealth. Same reason chubbier women were seen as desirable in some parts of history. Wealth signal when many suffer from malnutrition. Hell, the current 6ft craze is absolutely societally conditioned. Most women can’t tell the difference between 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:37 AM
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Agreed. So we agree that society takes child support obligations seriously and has mechanisms to punish men who ignore them if the mother wishes for it? Now, what mechanisms are there to punish women or men who break the obligations of marriage? If there are none, then how can marriage be seen as particularly valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:30 AM
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I’m sure there’s a crowd of people who defend men ghosting as well Kindly point me towards them? I’ve never seen men defending for out and out ghosting women. Well that’s just being butthurt they couldn’t play you Again, I’m going to be treated like an asshole whether I’m honest or not, and being honest I get way less sex. So based on the societal feedback from women, why would I be honest?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:27 AM
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getting what you contributed back. As a high earner, it’s very likely I’ll be receiving far less back than I contributed. It’s not like I’d expect my wife to contribute more than me to the household chores. So a 50/50 split screws me badly. Which isn’t necessarily wrong I’m just saying that from what I’ve seen people actually aren’t that strict about men not paying full child support. It’s literally one of VERY few debts the government can automatically garnish your wages for. If you are paying …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:22 AM
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Also people objectively view ghosting as immature and mean. People excuse women doing that all the time and then trot out the “safety” argument if you push them. Those women played themselves btw Of course they did. Won’t stop them from saying that I’m an asshole who can’t commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:09 AM
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you can also create a contract stating that if someone cheats in a marriage all assets go to the non offending party A prenup like that won’t be enforced in a bunch of states. California for example refuses to enforce infidelity clauses. Lastly there are a lot of men who do Break the law Sure yes. Guess what. If it’s pushed into court, those men are punished. The penalty is actually enforced. Unlike the penalty for cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:08 AM
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Which is fine as long as everyone is upfront about it. To be frank, why would he be? Women regularly say they owe men “nothing” Ghost a man? He isn’t owed an explanationx So why would a man owe you honesty? Look. I’m very upfront about my lack of intention to marry. I got nothing but scorn for it from women, including women who agreed to date me for years knowing my position. They still felt “betrayed” despite me being incredibly clear about my intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:03 AM
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Men earn more on average and therefore a larger proportion of marital assets likely came from him. Women are advantaged in custody battles, if not by law then in practice. And again, the fact that it isn’t gendered doesn’t change the reality that marriage means fuck all as a contract. No penalty for breaking the terms is a problem, and if that inconveniences cheating men then good.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:00 AM
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I mean dividing the assets you both contribute to makes sense even if someone did cheat. Why? If I cheat on any other contract there are penalty clauses. This is what I mean, marriage is serious until someone cheats, then it’s meaningless. We put 0 consequences to breaking the terms of marriage, so those terms are worthless. Also i could be wrong but aren’t most custody cases settled outside of court And? Most marriages ending aren’t due to cheating. Additionally, court is expensive, and since t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:57 AM
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Like genuinely why would someone do that it’s so cruel to me Because they want sex? Because it's expected? If a woman can agree to marriage oaths, cheat on the man, and suffer 0 negative consequences while getting out with half the assets and potentially child custody and support, why should men take marriage and promises of marriage seriously? Society doesn't give a fuck if women break the oaths of marriage, and won't take it into account when it comes to alimony, child support, custody, or ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:45 AM
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In my opinion a man who wouldn’t sign a piece of paper or give me the official and legal title of a wife but expects me to experience unimaginable things during pregnancy and to possibly risk my life doesn’t respect me enough. Or he thinks the institution of marriage is outdated and wrong? It's an incredibly messy document with very few tangible advantages for the man in a modern western country.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:43 AM
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We would, because your actions line up with your words in that case. In many other cases they don't. Not particularly hard
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:41 AM
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They’re not getting rejected, they just ignore women with certain earning potential preemptively Are they "ignoring" her in that they are actively saying no to their advances? Or are they "ignoring" her by not being the first to approach? I won't approach a girl taller than me even if I think she's beautiful and funny, because most girls want a taller man than themselves and therefore i'm going in massively disadvantaged. If a taller girl approached me i'd be stoked. The same way, I can imagine …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:31 AM
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I’m sorry, but most women I know are absolutely in careers that pay the bills, like nursing What percentage of women are in low ROI degrees? What percent of men? When you look at ROI by degree, do you think men or women will have a higher average ROI?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 02:28 AM
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