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They should add a question how many of those 35% identify as TERF, because whether or not those are feminists is a fun little discussion amongst Feminists. Waaaay more fun than the discussion whether men can be feminists, and whether men are even allowed to speak about feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 05:38 PM
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They should add a question how many of those 35% identify as TERF, because whether or not those are feminists is a fun little discussion amongst Feminists. Waaaay more fun than the discussion whether men can be feminists, and whether men are even allowed to speak about feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/25 05:38 PM
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Any movement which acknowledges that men can be victims of domestic abuse or violence will never get any support by conservatives or feminists. Though if we look at how both groups seem to view men and women in society.. They are exactly the same, it's just how they want to 'handle' it where it's different. Oh and some of these feminists try to sugar coat it a bit more instead of outright saying that all women are weak minded people (meant for making babies) while men are fully autonomous human …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 06:53 PM
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Well, isn't the UK government the same one that categorises male victims of domestic violence as women? That place is infested with sexists, there is a reason why TERFs have taken root there so much. TERFs are just slightly more misandrist feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 10:04 AM
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Makes me think back again how popular "Say her name" was during the BLM movement in 2020. According to the Washington Post database, in 2020 there were 249 black men killed by cops, and... 2 women. One of which was on December 28th. So most of the year they were giving the name of the only black woman killed by cops that year. I did not see any popular discussion however about the fact that there was an extreme gender split, and how black men were getting hit so incredibly hard. Makes me wonder …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 03:19 PM
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If you talk like that to women in a male dominated workplace you will have HR on your ass for discrimination... Ironically (or perhaps not so much irony) in my experience this kind of rabid sexism tends to come from people who call themselves feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 09:31 AM
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started counting suicide cases I'm guessing they don't count the same way for men - as they always do - because that would really screw up their statistics in pretty much any case. They might still complain about how men don't seek therapy because of gendered norms and kill them selves at the same time though. If they had any empathy left for men. As an aside, that's a very old post you reply to, how did it even pop up? I also had someone reply to a 3 year old post of mine just the other day...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 06:01 PM
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I wonder if that mentality isn't driven by some subconscious outdated idea of "chivalry". There is nothing subconscious about. It's all pretty overt "men need to work, women need to be helped". It is an unholy alliance of feminists and conservatives, although feminist have it slightly less deeply ingrained. But the idea that men and women are unequal and you cannot expect women to (be able to) do what men can and are expected to do is deeply ingrained in both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/23 06:32 AM
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So you are right that you will not get more men into These jobs if you dont pay them more. I don't know how much money is needed to make up for accusations of paedophilia, and being treated like a sexual predator. Or as someone commented on the main Dutch reddit: "I quite my education to become a primary school teacher, I do not want to be in fear my entire life for constant accusations." The more pay argument hides the enormous and much larger issue. More wage is nice, but not if it risks your …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/23 11:00 AM
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This is pretty much why people claim we should believe women, isn't it? Because if we also start trusting men then men might use it as a tool after they abuse someone. Totally ignoring the fact that women can and are using it as a tool, because feminists are as conservative as "the patriarchy" and believe only women must be protected.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/23 03:50 PM
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I'd be surprised at that honestly. I always figured they have a very explicit bias.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/23 05:19 PM
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VAWG groups still get away with blatantly misrepresenting it all If there is one thing that misogynists and feminists alike love to believe and talk about, it is that women are weak and mindless victims who are just stumbling through a violent world ruled by men, who hold all the power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/23 12:33 PM
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It is easy to claim people won't do what they cannot do. Typical gaslighter tactic. "Yes sure, women would do X if they are allowed, but society is stopping them or not allowing them to do it. If they could they totally would".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/23 07:45 PM
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The magic words they tend to use is "but it was almost only men" and "yes we always knew that, also when we said kill all men we only meant the patriarchy".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/23 07:38 AM
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It's a way to continue using the insult "virgin" while tripling down on using it as an insult, while claiming that it is actually more acceptable to use. Basically going from calling random women a "slut" to calling any girl who has sex before marriage something that equates to "cumdump tramp prostitute", and then claiming that it is all okay, because some random girl on Tiktok called herself as such.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/23 09:15 AM
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The normal motte and bailey argument is that the patriarchy benefits a small minority of men in power, while the way it is most often used by feminists is that it benefits all men. Which is the way they operate too, everything for the benefit of women, and then sometimes argue that it benefits men too. Not uncommonly in a ridiculously convoluted way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/23 03:25 PM
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How did this get so twisted online?? For me the disconnect with what I am told, and with what I see occurred in life. I'm in a field where we are constantly told we have to be inclusive, then you go to a talk about it, and a female feminist talks about how young men should not be hired, have all the privilege and then calls you a boy. Next you go to a talk about how society treated women a couple of hundred years ago and you get similar stuff, mostly women attending, and then you get singled out…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/23 06:55 PM
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It's like a men's movement for womens liberation in the 50's where they focus on better washing machines instead of education. Idk if that makes sense. That's a very refreshing explanation at this time of the day. Gave me a good chuckle, thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 08:15 PM
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From what I've seen it seems to be all about larping about the patriarchy, blaming things on men, thinly veiled misandry and talking about women. That seems pretty on par with what they want to do on the mainsub, just less focus on men and more openly misandric. I believe they call it "venting". But if you don't consider women as having as much agency as men, that "venting" isn't misandry but just normal talk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 07:03 PM
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rarely see comments from women and usually they aren't really engaged with or heavily upvoted. Must be different from a couple of years ago. Back then a post starting with "I am a woman but (...)" was a surefire way to get upvoted most, and one of the only ways to say anything even remotely critical of feminism. That and just citing women with a certain viewpoint even mildly critical of their branch of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 05:56 PM
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Yeah, but the type of male feminist who admins that sub is the same type of person who posts to that kind of subs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 05:54 PM
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this is what intersectional feminism is for: they make male issues into other things that are caused by the patriarchy and therefore are female issues. I'd estimate intersectional feminism is about 40% for privileged women to be able to still put themselves in the victimhood racket, 40% to deflect any problem of men caused by being a man on anything other than them being a man, and 20% other reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 05:53 PM
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mostly lesbian sexual predators Who then ironically don't get taken seriously by the police, because feminists and conservatives together try to convince the public that female sexual predators do not exists. And that just keeps the wheel spinning round and round.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 06:36 PM
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The reason there is so much talk about Terfs in the UK is just because they have a lot of feminists, and a lot of them are radical feminists. With people like that it becomes a lot harder to make reasonable, genderneutral laws. The conservatives and feminists line up pretty well in how they thing women should be treated by law, because at the bottom line both think women should be held responsible less and are incapable of doing crime - just for mildly different reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 04:53 PM
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The thing is, no discussion on that can be had with Feminists. If you ask them "why are black women included" they will point out that black women are indeed at more risk than white women. They need to include black women, because otherwise they have to include white men, and if they have to explain why not all men need to be protected they have to start talking about how men are more violent and criminal, and start parroting white supremacist talk, just with men/women swapped in for black/white…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/23 04:41 PM
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The Washington Post police shooting database has 8127 registered cases registered where a person got shot to death by the police in the USA. Out of these 8127, 361 were women, or 4.4%, on the other hand 95.6% are men. For every woman who gets shot and dies by police in the USA, 21.5 men get shot and die by police. Now, there was a huge - and deserved - movement in the USA about police shooting and killing black people in the USA. Did you notice how gender was used in it? Why was this you may ask…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 06:49 PM
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PSP women Well, that's a bit of a throwback. It was like that back then too huh? Well, they predate the Scum manifesto, so I guess not so different, and that was in a different time I suppose?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 05:14 PM
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I find the hyper/hypoagency to be a big part of gender rolls and biases. It's just assumed that men are super capable and invulnerable, while women are ineffective as anything but absorbers of consequences. As a joke I usually tell myself that I am unable to be a feminist because I'm unable to think about men and women in a feminist way (i.e. women as ineffective absorbers of consequence who cannot do anything on their own). I'm never sure how much of that is actually a joke, and how much is rea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/23 05:50 PM
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Women being abusive and employing men to do the foul work for them, or doing it themselves is as old as time immemorial. This seems to be a case of domestic violence to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/23 07:03 PM
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The participants in the deprivation condition were told that their disposable income was 73.82% lower than the average for people with a similar background, while those in the control condition were told that their disposable income was 6.21% higher than the average for people with a similar background. “In other words, men can utilize hostile sexism as a way to compensate for individual inadequacy when women are not the source of their feeling of deprivation. Are they deciding here that having …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/23 06:15 PM
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Eh, it is not so hard. Just think of one of those ultra conservative mindsets that women have zero mental agency and need a man to guide them (like in Saudi Arabia). If you think women don't have their own agency and are just following what men teach them a lot of it suddenly makes sense. It also suddenly looks even more sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/23 09:28 PM
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Just the other day I saw one of these ghastly claims about how all domestic murders are femicide. Apparently there is about a 24:4 ratio in intimate partner violence, so a bunch of feminists call it "femicide", because it only happens to women. Meanwhile in 2020, during BLM the same "all lives matter" feminists claimed that black women should also be included, even though in that year 2 women (on an average year it's about 12 I believe?) were killed by police in the USA, and 240 men. So when som…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/23 06:17 PM
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If you look even vaguely - but without having sexist stereotypes of women and men - you can notice that feminism uses a lot of what they sometimes call "outdated social stereotypes". This goes from "women are better leaders", to "men can do everything themselves", to "men have to solve all our problems, we cannot depend on women". The whole discussion is filled with contradictions, which are nowadays sometimes claimed as "intersectional issues", which is just a fancy word of claiming "what I say…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/23 09:00 AM
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Ironically a lot of those "gender equality" measures define it as gender equality if women live X years longer than men. The default is women living longer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/23 04:34 PM
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Once a group decides that their way is the only way, it is an easy progression to vilifying anyone who doesn’t agree with them. And once someone has been demonized, has been characterized as opposing the good, killing him becomes a virtue. It is a relatively easy progression, and you need something of an open mind to avoid it. But it is easier if you claim and believe you are fighting for a better world, and have the only way that can bring it. Politics, religion, having found the solution for u…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 09:34 PM
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Oh I have seen it as a self-identifier, but to me it seems by people who hate the position they are in and who desperately need actual help and lash out. Instead of getting actual help, they get pulled in worse situations by the right, and pile driven into an even worse situation by many people who describe themselves as being on the left. And yes. That dodge is the worst thing ever. The people who use that seem full of it on top of their mighty horses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 09:30 PM
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I always find it hilarious when I look at all these feminist "sciences", and see that they are filled with mostly women, with a couple of men sprinkled between. Especially among the students. Then those people go to the STEM fields, and tell them they have to work harder at accepting women in their fields, and that they must be hostile and have an anti-women mentality, otherwise they would have had more women working there. My usual conclusion is that it is all projection: the feminist fields ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 05:09 PM
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Is this one of those types of women are the first to claim men should believe women unconditionally? Feminists always forget how the patriarchal justice system was and is setup to protect women, just look at the fact that men get much longer jail sentences for the same crime.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 06:51 AM
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The conservative nonsense all comes out of the closet with a lot of feminists once men are victims. So many things the things they talk about for what is also rape, psychological force, no means no, really anything except for violent physical overpowering, and apparently even that gets excused. "The person liked it because X", "the person should feel honoured." Don't fall for the propaganda. It is not your fault.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/23 06:27 AM
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This is like positive femininity, which never gets talked about, so I guess this means that none of femininity is actually positive... right? To put it without sarcasm: I am quite suspicious about people who talk about this, because it is often used as "just be a good little ally" by people who profit a ton from various masculine traits while not acknowledging that at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/23 03:29 PM
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I.. was not aware of the scheduled executions, and have not followed the protests so I was looking around for a tiny bit of context. This article of date december 21th 2022 states 506 civilians killed. There is also a Wikipedia page, which lists 417 (!) with name, age (if known), location and a source. It does not list how many of those 417 are men or women, but just scrolling through it I see a lot of Ali's, Abduls and Mohammads, which I believe are men's names. Curiously it does not list how m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/23 06:59 PM
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It is interesting that people who get pressed by a gang into prostitution are seen as victims, while men who get pressed into gangs are not seen as victims. Sure the first one is a very physically intimate job and all, but the second one gets people killed at absurd rates - quite physically intimate in another way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/23 05:10 PM
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I always heard this kind of rants from women who were working in a female dominated profession. Usually it was accompanied with a very derogatory treatment of me (a man) which would have been considered harassment if the sexes were swapped. I consider that it did give me some insights, namely that condescendingly treating people of a different sex is wrong, and the people who shout hardest about it are among the worst offenders. I also always found it ironic that these women were working in the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/23 09:40 AM
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Oh yeah, they aren't. Especially the women who keep complaining that all men are terrible because they keep dating assholes. Although that might also be their own character which ruins everything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/23 08:23 AM
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Genuine support? Yes, that is desired. From an egalitarian standpoint it is moral to try and improve the situation of people. Non-genuine support, the type we see a lot where people claim "Yes, but we are also for men's issues", well usually that is not support, but a way to critique and push their own issues and demand men solve it, while claiming it will make things better for men. How can women help? I have no idea honestly, I'm not really sure for any problems how to solve them. Feminists se…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/23 04:56 PM
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That actually isn't that crazy of a theory. MacKinnon was previously engaged to a man, a "repentant womanizer" who supposedly bedded (or by her definition "raped") 1,000 women. Why does it always seem that a lot of the "All men are terrible" people are just projecting their own experience of being attracted to terrible people. This sounds like straight out of a parody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/23 07:33 PM
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It is always... surprising to see how sexists and misogynistic radical feminists can be, especially about people who disagree with them. Their misandry is usually a given, especially for radfems, but the misogyny is quite telling too. I have not read this, but I would say if women have so few agency and capacity to make decisions, why do we allow them to write pieces like this or even work? This seems to come straight out of a "women are children" kind of mindset.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/23 09:06 AM
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I'm wondering how much it is viewing women as sex objects, and viewing women as a judge of character in a way. I have always thought part of the subtext is "No women judged you acceptable enough to have sex with, therefore you must be scum". Which is a bizarre idea with the Ted Bundies in the world, but yet it seems to be there. There are a lot of bizarre and seemingly inconsistent things like that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/22 10:48 PM
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It is very ironic that the most mentally healthy reaction to this is to stick to the good old male gender norms, and just block out all the noise and do what you like. Does it make the world better? Not more or less than most of the "activism" of "activists". If you want to have a laugh over it you can try and laugh these people in the face about their gendernorms which are closer to the White Feather girls in 1916 than what they claim is progressive, but this will go over a lot of heads and cos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/22 10:11 PM
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The sad thing is that if you critique this, that is often seen as sexist. It seems the only way people vaguely acknowledge this is if you point out we are treating women as having no agency compared to men here. I.e. describe it as abuse of women instead of the obvious misandry it is... Just another reminder of how "the patriarchy" helps women, and how a lot of "feminism" abuses it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/22 08:25 AM
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I'm not really active in such spaces, but I just don't see much talk about transmen in general. They are a bit of a footnote, most of the discourse seems to be about transwomen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/22 08:54 PM
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Specifically around how women, including feminists, perpetuate the patriarchy through unclear messaging to men. Acknowledgments of how women build, perpetuate and expand patriarchal structures is going to be a hard sell within feminist groups. Exploitation of patriarchal concepts, like the female victimhood and helplessness you mentioned, is one of the most potent forces in the public relations arsenal of feminism. I would say that the patriarchy is a cornerstone of feminism. But that is a whole…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/22 09:16 PM
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The fun thing about this nonsense: those who take this all seriously, and internalise it, those who become incredibly cautious around women, will be those who are then least likely to get a date with these women. Because society is barely changing with demanding that women pick up the slack that they forbid om men. So they get inundated by those who ignore all the noise. Anyway, society and feminism was never about equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/22 06:13 PM
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Calling men "Allies" is just a hidden way of stating "You are not allowed in our group". It is much easier than just outright saying "men cannot be feminists" because if you say that silent part out loud, you look more of a crook once you start claiming you are defending men too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/22 04:13 PM
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I remember what happened to Believe Women when Joe Biden was suddenly accused. I would say he needs a trial on that, but according to the title IX rules that his administration proposes. We'll see how things suddenly change then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/22 02:26 PM
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To avoid translation issues that would not make answers comparable, the survey was only designed in English and posted in English-speaking online communities. This is not what I meant. What I meant is not to provide the survey in other languages, but that it might have been useful to ask if people were answering in their native language. Many people operate in English-speaking online communities without having English as a native language.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/22 05:20 PM
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Anyone who took their biology courses in a non-English language might trip much more easily on English terminology. I had probably been advisable to include a question on the language background of participants? I never took any course on Biology in English. Things can be inferred, but it takes a bit of more digging in the brain and a bit of guessing. I'm also a bit bummed I cannot get a more detailed response as to which of the questions I had wrong, or which categories. Is the 75-85% a default…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/22 03:37 PM
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In my experience feminists are among the biggest, if not the biggest group who reinfoce the stereotype that men are violend and abusive. Especially the more radical feminist types. This typically also results in an absolute lack of empathy for boys, where they are taught in school that their safety is less important than girls. As they teach it: "Hitting a girl is never right.", "Always ask a girl for consent." All of these feminist type teachings are teaching is that girls need to be empathised…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/22 05:57 PM
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Thing with Ukraine is that it closed the borders to all males, and that currently it is still mostly men serving in the military. The women who do serve are commended - but in general they are seen as more oddballs than the men? As in: it is seen as normal that men serve in the army, but for the women it is still a bit of an oddity. Not sure what I want to point at with this, but a big part is that it is seen as fundamentally normal for men to offer up their lives to their nations, which is some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/22 09:10 AM
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I initially thought that we could put this discrepancy down to males being more susceptible to violence from gangs and organised crime (although that wouldn’t dismiss the deaths), I'm kind of thinking about this, and it makes me wonder. This feels similar to "Men are wearing short skirts, if they don't want to be killed, they should dress more modest." arguments. What makes it different? The only thing I can come up with is optics: women must be protected, men are to blame themselves for wearing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 09:57 AM
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Violence against women and girls is against women and girls. And against gay guys who we consider to be women and girls, which of you is the girl in the relationship? It's just so tiring all of this propaganda. Yes if you define something as only against women, you will find it is only against women. The only thing that is surprising is how many sexists are willing to go along with the charade, but perhaps that just speaks about the institutional soft power of feminists, and the sexism of thinki…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 07:58 AM
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Well, at the least this provides us a list of organisations who support domestic abusers who admit using domestic violence on tape and have been arrested for domestic abuse of their girlfriend. If you write it like that, the same people would assume it is about a man, instead of an equal opportunity woman. In our opinion, the Depp v. Heard verdict and continued discourse around it indicate a fundamental misunderstanding of intimate partner and sexual violence and how survivors respond to it. Wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/22 05:30 PM
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There is no point arguing with people who are bigoted and refuse to change their mind. If they refuse at all to change their view or come to a common understanding, end the discussion and either avoid the subject or the person. Alternately if you enjoy it you can start arguing in the same way about how women are "X", where you talk about "bad women' and not "all women". As for other situations: If it is practical, you can always exploit the modern nonsense, state you identify as a nonbinary/tran…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/22 05:01 PM
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One key fact we should not overlook here is that apparently it is happening to white women too: Sixteen percent of hiring managers surveyed say they have been told to deprioritize white men when evaluating candidates, and 14% have been told to deprioritize hiring white women. This is a consistent finding with past reports of “reverse discrimination”. Apparently 16% have been told to stop hiring white men, and 14% have been told to stop hiring white women. So this might get a turn around, or it t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/22 02:10 PM
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First video I thought about. "We aren't here to talk, we want to shut down a talk that is promoting the patriarchy." The fact that they react to Warren Farrell like that just teaches me about how unhinged they are, and makes me doubt any claim about misogyny and whatnot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/22 04:30 PM
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One could ask if they hold themselves responsible for what the policies of women like Thatcher, May, Truss, LePen, Miloni, or any of the anti abortion women. But they'll probably claim women have no agency and cannot influence things. Sometimes I think it is just better not to argue with people like that. It is line arguing with pigs, they drag you into the mud and win by experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/22 09:07 PM
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Yeah, I checked and it is still up. I guess it went on private back then to clean up a bit of the stuff that gets banned, and just continued with the other misandry and whatnot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 10:55 AM
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(Also one post on FDS where they "debunk" but as a sane person I did not read it beyond the first few lines) Didn't they ban that godforgotten place? I thought it was swiped up in one of the recent banwaves. Well, apparently I was wrong, no surprises there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 10:16 AM
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There are some nice posts /r/Menaregood/ It's basically a meme channel though, not overly active.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/22 04:35 PM
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Apparently they have 25 million eligible men before they have to start sending in women. It will be a very cold winter before they start drafting women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/22 03:31 PM
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God, just reminds me how much I hate these people who go "They can just fuck each other". As if what people actually lack is sex, or gay sex at that. If that was the case the simple solution would be to hire a hooker. If you see how much society gets turned around to accept some special interest groups, and how much gets blamed om other groups I am just baffled all the time how these people work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/22 03:29 PM
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Something that used to be (or so it's claimed) the sole purview of the Right. The left has been doing it for quite some time too. Besides, I have seen a lot of leftists arguing about how this is the fault of nato, and there seem to be a bunch of people - which I consider tankies - who drone on and on about how Ukraine has to give up because NATO is imperialist and invading the sphere of influence of Russia. I've seen people who claim to be marxist/leninist (something in that direction) drone on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/22 03:07 PM
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PS: the video is a shit show of bad arguments that makes my blood boil. Honestly, I'm too afraid to watch this shit because I expect it to be full of victim blaming and whatnot. Expecting one of these woke or woke-aligned people to understand these situations is like expecting bootstrap bill to understand why a poor person is envious of billionaires, they claim that the person should just pull himself up his bootstraps and become succesfull. Their entire understanding of the situation usually fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/22 03:00 PM
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Maybe it's probably similar to anorexia? But I have to admit, I have no idea how people get into the really thin-close-to-dying part of that...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/22 02:50 PM
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Reminds me about when women complain about beauty standards, and complain about how they have to buy a new dress every time or whatnot. As if the average man will remember what dress they wore last time or even cares... Though, tf you want to get into the really nasty parts of where women are (co)championing oppression you get into fields like FGM where it is often women who perform the procedures...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/22 02:53 PM
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Now now, I was told only the on in Italy is a fascist. The one in the UK is a neoliberal who believes in trickle down economics. That's a different brand of stupid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/22 08:18 PM
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More women than men vote in the USA, so clearly they were more responsible for voting in Trump than men were. I can say dumb shit too. It even assigns quite a lot of agency to women. Do people forget women in positions of power can be terrible too and that there's many women who are right-wing? Nonsense, look at the UK and Italy... oh right. Anyway, again, the people saying things like this are just propagating old sexist stereotypes of women being caring and more working with people. Same type …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/22 07:26 PM
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I do not care about that argument. It is insulting to virgins who do not identify as an incel, because it implies something is wrong with them because they are a virgin. And even worse, it implies they will become toxic and try to blow up people and whatnot, because they are virgins. You are defending the thing you are claiming to be against.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:57 PM
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Because I consider it a "oh it is okay, these are toxic people, but we like calling them incels because contrary to the term 'toxic' with this we can also attack their failed masculinity".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:47 PM
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So why not just call those people toxic instead of using the thinly veiled attack on masculinity by adding the involuntary celibate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:42 PM
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It literally means involuntary celibate. It do not think it can be divorced from virgin shaming. (Young) people will see it, notice the "ah so you need to have sex in order not to be a failure" link. Sure, there is a bunch of "yeah but we really don't mean that part, promise", but personally I don't believe anything of it. It's just one extra of those 'toxic masculinity' and 'internalized patriarchy' enforcements coming from 'progressive' circles. Same as what you complain about in this post. Li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:36 PM
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I stole this from another sub, but I think it's a relevant perspective, not entirely correct, but close enough: Society's response to Islamic Terrorism: You have to understand the political instability in The Middle East that causes young men to join terrorist organizations. They need societal reform. Society's response to Cartel Violence: You have to understand the political instability in Latin America that causes young men to join drug cartels. They need societal reform. Society's response to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:26 PM
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Otherwise the sentence would be "Well your argument is just invalid because you cannot have sex so you are a virgin". Personally I would interpret it more as "You are so socially incapable that you cannot even have sex" with the undertone that having sex makes you somehow better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 04:22 PM
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It is commonly used as "Well your argument is just invalid because you cannot have sex so you are an incel". It is used as virgin shaming, which rather unsurprising for a term that literally comes from "involuntary celibate".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/22 02:52 PM
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As someone operating in a tech job I still find the idea baffling that women wouldn't be hired. There is a good chance that people don't do as they say, but what people are saying is "I want to hire women" and "I think women get discriminated, so I will give them an advantage". That said, I'm not in a position to hire people, so who knows those people might operate differently. I have some doubts though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/22 03:07 PM
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From what I remember there was a man just one or two years ago who became a woman just in order to have a pension a year earlier. If material benefits like these exists that is hardly surprising...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/22 04:39 AM
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A feminist accusing a man of having "fragile masculinity" is just a clear admittance that she (or possibly he) wants to exploit men with the gendernorms she claims to eschew. But they use a lot of concepts like that. They claim how much sex you have is not important, and then start shaming people directly/indirectly for not having sex. Or the looks of people, they also love talking about how men they don't like are ugly. Or when they shit on men who are not successful or who do not fit the stand…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 03:40 PM
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Is her femininity so fragile that she can only talk about women while in Ukraine and Russia tens of thousands of men are forced to fight and die? Last time I checked Russia is not conscripting any women, and the Ukrainians dying for their country are mostly men too. I can do a whataboutism too...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 10:21 AM
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Aka: we assumed women are oppressed, and from this axiom we derived that women are oppressed. We are surprised by our findings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 04:48 AM
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There was a huge chance on the influence of how masculinity is viewed in society, and how those effects are enforced for black/Hispanic males in USA-society with the whole BLM matter. Instead the propagation of stereotypical masculinity by society was ignored, and everything was blamed on racism. The fact that men are treated differently, that men are portrayed as violent rapists - something which is done even more for black men, and so on was ignored. I suspect because a lot of the people who w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/22 03:09 PM
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Im still baffled that people have come up with the term femicide, yet there is no similar term when it happens to men. I always think back to what happened in Srebrenica, where eight thousand men were systematically killed for being a man, yet there is no word for that. I have yet to come across a similar case of "femicide". My point being: if something happens to women, it is defined as gendered violence. If something happens to men, it is seen as normal. No shocker that 99% or "gender based" v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/22 07:13 PM
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Due to a very intense lobby of Jews and Muslims. They tried to ban it in Iceland and that sparked the predictable outrage of people who found it their religious entitlement to mutilate their children.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 05:34 PM
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Extra five bucks if they ban you. Probably a ghost ban, where anything you post becomes invisible or needs approval of a mod first. Iirc that is their way of work. As for this post: I suspect it would get removed with a message "we are a feminist community, wrongthink is not allowed to be posted"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 08:58 AM
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This reminds me of the Times Higher Education Gender Equality ranking. In 2021 it proudly lists the "Princess Nourah bint Abdulrahman University" on the top of their list. Apparently they rank based on: "This table on SDG 5 – gender equality measures universities’ research on the study of gender equality, their policies on gender equality, and their commitment to recruiting and promoting women.". A woman's university - thus with only women, in a place that thinks that it is immoral to have a man…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/11/21 04:03 PM
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I'm in the tech (STEM) sector. I have seen a bit of discrimination against women that is bad for them, and quite a bit of discrimination that is good for them. Currently just being a woman gives you a lot of bonus points in getting hired, and I know of various people and positions where being a woman is seen as a huge bonus - including someone who was told they would only hire a woman for the position. As far as I can see most men are happy to have women in these fields (or perhaps I'm projectin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/21 06:37 PM
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A similar response would be saying that the majority of women getting attacked is not a girl who gets randomly attacked on the street, but women who get attacked by their partners whom they chose themselves. So it's two shitheads fighting eachother. But then it is suddenly bad for the women. So why do you not care about male victims, but do you care about women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/21 06:29 AM
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Diversity councils are almost exclusively made up of panels which are staffed by women. Mostly feminists. Sometimes there is a diversity hire - a minority male. As it is staffed exclusively by feminists, they will follow the feminist axiom that women are oppressed most, and therefore should be centred in any solution. Ultimately they don't follow their own preaches of "we need (gender) diversity", and ignore and exclude men - both in participation, and as a victim, which leads to these kind of f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/21 08:12 AM
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It's very funny in the "If I weren't laughing I would be crying", or perhaps bawling, sense. I'm pretty certain if you'd make that comparison on MensLib you'd be out on the streets as a racist. It's funny how the reverse doesn't work either to these people, where they go on about police shootings, and if you then remind them that it's black men who are victimized, not black women, it's suddenly problematic. If you remind them it's men and not women, you are even more problematic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/21 07:18 AM
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I just wonder if there are different warnings for the big scary black men, contrary to tiny and innocent looking Asian men? Also: should a big strong woman warn if she passes a smaller man, or is it just men who have to excuse their passage to women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 05:40 PM
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"Men are violent pigs.". "No no, these people are now identified women, so you cannot hate them anymore". It breaks the brain that these people either don't realise or refuse to acknowledge that it is in a large part their misandry that directly leads to all this trans-hate. Misandry and TERF are essentially two sides of the same coin.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 07:33 AM
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If someone threatens you on Reddit you have to be a woman or a POC for that threat to be taken seriously? From what I have seen, trans is fine too. White transmale is probably borderline and tough considering all that male privilege.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:43 PM
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Too idiotic to comment on. He obviously never went to the feminist side of Reddit and seen their toxicity and hatred, and the likes of FDS. He might have, but these feminists typically think "oh they are just venting" oh, it's just women saying it, it's not a problem etcetera. Feminism really looks down on women and regards them like children, so if they do something, it's not so significant, like a toddler doing a doody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 05:20 PM
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I fully suspect that all those feminists in the Australian government go full mental over this, insisting that DV is a gendered crime, and that the assumption that men can be victims too is deeply dangerous to female victims. That's also essentially the critique the Netherlands got for having a gender neutral approach (still with a big female skew but hey).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 08:51 AM
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I vaguely remember that if you look at modern CDC statistics, and then look at not lifetime rape statistics (so including 'made to penetrate'), but just over the previous 12 months there isn't really a difference between men and women (also mentioned here). It has always led me to believe that either men forget about it, because society tells them it never happened, or that female on male rape has become endemic, or that male on female rape isn't common anymore but used to be a big thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 02:00 PM
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The one-sided framing of feminism is fascinating in a lot of aspects. Even if you go to the lukewarmest variant where it is "patriarchy makes sure that those in power are men" (which is different from "all men are powerful"), it gives the immediate conclusion that all of the advances that we have made as a human society are due to male leaders. I.e. it is an implicit claim, that all of the achievements that we have made, all of the technological marvel, the fact that we are sustaining at 7 billi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 02:31 PM
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here exist famous, real-world examples of staggeringly brilliant chess grandchampions, but we didn't get one of their stories. Instead we got fiction... because that way they could tell the story of a woman (not to mention, a woman putting those pig-headed men in their place ). The great thing about the Queen's Gambit is the fact that it is not about a woman putting men in their place, although I have no doubt that a lot of feminists see it that way. It shows a brilliant woman, but it is also ab…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 11:42 AM
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Well look at that, transman is accepted as a man, and because he's now considered as a man, many routes of support are closed due to his gender, and he looks around and finds: Every book he opened on sexual violence considered only that women were victimized by men, and it seemed also like children were victimized only by adults. Yep, welcome to feminism and the modern world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/21 09:31 AM
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Is there a higher rate on one end of black men or women? Sure there is a viewable difference but there into one side facing it. In 2020 there were 239 black men who were shot and killed in the USA by police. There were 2 black women who were shot and killed in the USA by police in 2020 (which is below average, usually it's about 8). There were 432 white men shot and killed and 25 white women in 2021. Men are at much higher risks from the police than black women - regardless of their skin, the fa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 08:52 PM
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I suspect many don't even realise. There are not a lot of men in the movement, and they don't seem to consider men too much. As an example: I once went to a talk, and one of the people who spoke was an intersectional feminist, pursuing a PhD. She explained that she realised feminist language can hurt men, after her boyfriend walked behind her, and she asked why. His response was that otherwise people might think the is pulling her along and seeing himself as above her, this was probably due to t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 06:30 PM
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i.e. drag races When did drag races become a gay thing (again?). If you'd ask me it's pretty regressive to assume that drag races have anything to do with sexuality. It all feeds in this idea that gay people have hyper feminized voices, wear makeup, and try to look like a girl, instead of being just some other random dude who happens to like dudes instead of men. Well, but that's perhaps my opinion, I don't understand the whole concept of "gay culture", as if gay people are somehow living in a d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 09:26 AM
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Reminds me of the response to "#AllMen": Even George Floyd? However, it is unlikely that a feminist will acknowledge that the disposability of men's lives is what also got him killed, they will only acknowledge his race. Hence why they put so much focus on black women killed by the police, even though black men are almost 30 times as likely to be shot to death by the police in the USA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 09:09 AM
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These "AllMen" people will only respond with "Yes, but they are victims of men, which just proves our point!". It's not about protecting all victims (suggesting that will get you a "We are talking about women now!"), it is about acknowledging unreasonably high fears of women, and blaming men. Which is why they jump onto extreme cases like the recent murder: those cases are incredibly rare, but by equating that to much more common every-day occurrences, they can raise the fear factor of the every…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 08:41 AM
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Oh this is clearly a radical feminist headline. This is the same kind of people and complaints as those who complain about too many "coloureds" in their neighbourhoods.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 08:32 AM
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But only to men who will be attacked. The attackers don't get that John-Wick bonus and will therefore be vanquished.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/21 08:31 AM
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I agree. If we are going to take the Wikipedia page for it, we see that OP is technically wrong. Men are most likely to get murdered in most countries, but in a couple the ratio is pretty much 1:1. In the UK, where the current wave of outrage is focussed on, women account for about 30% of homicide victims. So men are about twice as likely to get murdered there. As a general statement "men are more likely to be murdered than women" is valid for most countries, but not all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/21 11:06 AM
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With regards to the suicide: someone who has committed suicide has perished forever and cannot be helped. A failed suicide attempt can be noticed, and the underlying conditions can be improved. I would say the second is much preferable to the first, although ideally neither of them would occur.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/21 09:18 AM
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Especially Black men are going to be hit by this discourse more in the USA. The discourse that men are responsible for a large part of the reported crime is very close to the discourse of the racists talking about Black crime statistics. These "AllMen" feminists are just legitimising the discourse that it is okay to be afraid of Black people when they walk by, and that Black people should change themselves in order to not have other people afraid of them. Victimblaming is popular too, "Yes well,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/21 08:53 AM
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Except most violent crimes of men are not against women. Your logic doesn't follow. Which is why I'm always annoyed when people say that women are victims of violence in the streets, and everything is so terrible. The fact that men are more likely to be victims is never talked about, and if it is they say things like "yes, but by women". It's never about victims of violence, it is about female victims of violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/21 03:42 PM
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Well, I haven't seen the full reaction, but I can see how someone considers themselves to be the minor victim of a situation if they are held co-responsible for something they had and have no influence over whatsoever purely based on their sex/gender. I agree that the men are not the main victims, that's similar to the "primary victims of war" sentiment, but all those who are now seen as somehow co-responsible without having any responsibility have some victimization. To whatever degree that is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 01:55 PM
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My opinion is not set in stone, but personally I keep wondering why all this hatred is somehow okay, while if it were a Muslim terrorist who killed someone, it would not be okay - or maybe the people who think this find that okay too, in that case I have a clearer answer. E.g.: "Their perception of us [Muslims] is not our fault. It’s due to a combination of media frenzy and psychotic paranoia" in response to a human being kidnapped and murdered by a Muslim terrorist. That's perfectly fine is it?…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 01:26 PM
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It varies from feminist to feminist, but I have actually asked this a feminist. Essentially it boils down to the fact that they consider themselves to be egalitarians/humanists, but it roughly boils down to that they think there is an oppression that is unique for women, that is not felt by men, and therefore it should be female oriented. Fascinatingly, this was after visiting a talk about historical gender roles and the economical situation of women, during which I was singled with some friends…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/21 09:43 AM
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Panels with only men are called 'manpanels', and people complain about it and say men should refuse to partake in them. The only conclusion is that women should reject joining a 'fempanel', especially for subjects from women-dominated fields like feminism. That said, these women who joined this 'fempanel' might have no problems with 'manpanels'
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 04:59 PM
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That is not an argument. If it is supposed to be an argument of "this incredibly generalised group has it worse than the other", you can always point out that there are women in repressive regimes who have it better. For them the same argument would apply, so according to this 'argument' the women in developed countries can be ignored because those in <oppressive regime> have it worse..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/21 11:53 AM
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I never understand how people can look at statistics like this, and maintain that boys always have it better than girls. Why would boys be killing themselves if life is so great for all of them, while girls don't and life is shit for all of those?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/21 02:52 PM
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This happens everywhere, the last quota I have seen suggested were only for pushing out men, and when the suggestion was that in some fields women are becoming a majority, the excuse was "well, we'll see once there are no men left". I'm not sure if this is a thing where they think that women are such weaklings that having a single man creates a socially equal situation, or that they just don't give a shit about men. I suspect it is a combination.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/21 11:20 AM
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It's probably the highest for women between 15-19 year old ever, and simultaneously lower than the lowest for men between 15-19 ever. However putting that second part in there takes up too much valuable words, especially since nobody cares about "privileged" men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/21 08:19 AM
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Wasn't that a self-imposed quarantine? I think they just went on lockdown mode, probably because at that moment TERF-culture was particularly hated and FDS is rife with it because they see transwomen as men who are trying to steal their victimhood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 10:29 AM
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I wonder if these same people are also talking about women's quota. Because there it is very typical behaviour: "we have a group that is 80% men, so we need quota to get more women because it's not diverse", and then "we have a group that is only women, can we allow a man because he won't increase diversity". Same goes for manpanels or womanpanels. They drone on and on about manpanels, and then whenever it is about diversity you get a group of only women like this one. Working in a male dominate…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/21 10:24 AM
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There are a lot of very attractive women who believe in patriarchal theory, including a lot of very famous and very well paid actresses. Think of the type like Emma Watson, or Maisie Williams. Perhaps it's a bit of a coping mechanism, or a way to say all is right, or just a way to get more jobs. Who knows. Note the argument for attractive/unattractive women can go in two ways: they can be angry because of how unfair the world treats them, or they can recognize female privilege from seeing what a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/21 10:53 AM
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I have seen people claim that incel is fine as an insult and totally different from slut shaming because it isn't virgin shaming because sex had nothing to do with insults. I was mostly thinking get you head out of your ass in response. But you can't do anything with that kind of person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/21 08:57 AM
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I feel like "Silence is violence" only works if you believe in a child version of morality, or live in an incredibly privileged world where you can actually know and talk about all the problems that currently exist. Well, either that or it is a lie, and it only applies to what you consider important yourself. Nobody who says "Silence is violence" actually speaks out against all the evils in the world, because that is impossible. It is just woke-double talk to shame other people into joining your…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/21 05:41 PM
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Ah yes, I mix up the terms sometimes it seems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 05:52 PM
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Whenever I see people defending misogyny because "she had a bad experience with a man" or "look at all the crimes that men commit". I think about people who are racist because "black people are overrepresented in crime statistics" and "a black man once looked scarily at me".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 05:27 PM
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Menslib: Men should have a place in left wing discourse and be able to discuss their issues without judgement or reprisal Are you sure they even claim that? Their exact schtick is about these minimum standards: it has to be without blaming feminism, in a feminist frameset and through positivity, inclusiveness, and solutions-building. Whatever that means. Furthermore, I think that Comment removed by moderator5 hours ago has received a very good response which said Comment removed by moderator3 ho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/21 10:20 AM
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Ah Ted Bundy. Who was apparently an attractive, college-educated and charismatic man. Is there any talk about the fact that whenever people talk about "killers" and "rapists" their description is not one of a killer/rapist but of someone who looks ugly and is socially awkward?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/21 10:43 AM
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Phyllis Schlafly's STOP (Stop Taking Our Privileges). I hadn't heard about that slogan before, but I'll remember it. It's an ironic fact considering the current talk about male privilege which seems to ignore all female privileges.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/21 10:40 AM
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Oh that is definitely true. But the same thing is about crime against women. It's not typically because "I hate women" either, yet some consider every crime against a woman as such. I'd put those two views on equal grounds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/21 08:55 AM
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But we can't hit them because of gender... Yes it's a bit that there is a certain protection to women that men don't have which puts them in a different position and outcome, but it's a complicated process, and the end result gets only men killed. I guess one could say that it's one of those privileges that women have, and that men have not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 10:18 PM
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Ah, I think this subject can actually be discussed in places MensLib. However, what is important is to put it in the correct context. You have to acknowledge the fault of men in all of this, and most importantly how patriarchy makes men think they have to be violent, and that the perpetrators are also men. Also stress how women naturally have it much harder, but don't state it in their obvious frame that women are fragile flowers who are much more precious and fragile. Essentially: put it in fem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 04:47 PM
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Maybe its because the men aren't being targeted because of the simple fact they are men No, actually they are. If they would be random victims that are just randomly sampled from the population, the murder rates would be at gender parity. The fact that this kind of shit is normalized in society such that nobody cares does not mean it doesn't specifically hurts and targets men. Even fucking "patriarchy theory' will say that this is specifically targeted at men because of their role in "patriarchy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 08:49 AM
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There are multiple examples of systemic violence against women in India, Saudi Arabia, many nations in Africa, so on and so forth. You fucking pigs are a disgrace to leftists I'm certain that the women in those places are very thankful that PR is going to ensure that stops by giving exactly 0 fucks for them, and doing exactly nothing about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 08:47 AM
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They can't even put it in their own damn definition: But now is the time to intentionally address men as a gender – aim their frustration toward the things actually oppressing them: patriarchy and the ruthless form of capitalism it supports. By Khin Myint and Kate Davis ‘Patriarchy’ describes a social system that continues to disadvantage women and LGBTQIA+ communities through cultural norms, discriminatory laws and cyclical economic dysfunction. They lead with "Patriarchy oppresses men", and th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/21 11:47 AM
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Are our problems not worth solving for our own sake? I want men‘s rights for the wellbeing of men, not as a means to an end. Once you have firmly established female victimship, it is hard to start to argue that men have victimstatus too. Therefore it is much easier to argue that a problem needs to help the real victim to be worthy of attention. It takes a fundamental change in thinking for many feminist to consider a man a victim on his own right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/21 11:43 AM
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Sometimes I understand why people want to accelerate to a state where only transgender-black-bisexual-gay leaning-woman are allowed to be part of LGBT+ societies, because they are the only ones who are oppresssed and do not have a history of misogyny, transphobia and racism. Perhaps when everyone is excluded, it will be truly inclusive, and the people who believe this now will realize how incredibly sexist and exclusionary it all is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/21 10:48 AM
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I must first admit I haven't read the article fully, but the exploitation of claims of sexual abuse by black men as a tool to abuse black men is historic. I looked at a list of lunchings the other day, and half of the claims seem to be "flirted with white woman", "had relationship with white woman", or "accused of rape/improper sexual conduct of/by white woman". This is clearly an abuse of the dangerous and sexist assumption that feminists and others push that all men are rapists and violent, wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 11:56 PM
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Men don't get body shamed as often as women, because if it's done to them, it's called a preference, and if it's done to women it is body shaming. It's "funny" also how with men it seems to be immutable features really?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 11:21 PM
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if society is forcing them to choose between siding with white supremacists or black supremacists, they sure aren't going to side against themselves. Oh that's a nice one. Also extends to other politics, we have a politician here who thinks we should vote for her because she is a woman, so she had it hard in life or something like that. That same woman talks about how choosing from multiple prestigious universities was one of those tough choices, and sounds like she wants to be a queen. Come to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 08:23 AM
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That, I agree with. What worries me is how this is actually what pushes people towards white supremacy. Currently there is a huge push to identify with a racial group - so for white people it means they are expected identify with white people, and see themselves as a different group than non-whites. This sets up white people as a separate group. Next you get a situation where someone is white and suffering, and you see a government which only gives help to non-whites. It's easy to then blame tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 01:10 PM
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The whole concept of "privilege" should not be used really, but as it is used it seems to fit in. It's used as advantages that a group gets, and the fact that women do not get murdered in general is a clear advantage they have. There are only a few sub categories where women are more likely to be murdered, and those are constantly paraded around by certain groups to talk about how oppressed women are and how privileged men are - seems like all those other groups of victims should prove the oppos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/21 11:19 AM
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I have seen this before and do not see how it can be implemented in law. They just released other legislation that actually limits discrimination based in gender identity in schools, so how that is compatible with this? I have no idea. If they actually try this nonsense by law, the solution is probably to just start identifying as a woman, or someone should take it to court.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/21 11:28 PM
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Her: Because men generalize all the time and we want to show them how it feels. "I feel slighted, therefore I will slight you!" And thus the world keeps turning, and the fires keep burning. It's amazing always how much hate is stoked by feminism, all in the interest of "equality".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/21 09:19 AM
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Their assumption derives from men being better positioned equal at everything by default so only helping women is the definition of actual and full equality to them Putting equal only works there if you use the meaning "equal" as in "some animals are more equal than others". Although I would add some nuance: there is also a bit of talk about how "the patriarchy" hurts men. But the solution for that is usually helping women to "kill patriarchy" which is supposed to help men. Trickle down equality…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 10:01 AM
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Well, it's good to know that the 'slib mobs also acknowledge that Feminism is about women and only women, and not about men. Now we just need general acknowledgement by feminists that feminism is for women and by women, that would be an improvement over the current lies that it is for equality for all. It might make people realize that it's a woman's empowerment movement, and not a gender equality movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 09:17 AM
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You should hear about STEM. And don't get me wrong, there are still those who think girls don't belong in stem (or boys in care) - but there is also a huge push and pull for women in STEM, and I see a lot of opportunities which seem to be made for girls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 08:42 AM
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If the opposite happened women would be "This is proof the system is sexist and works against women, we must change this" It would also cue all the stories and anecdotes about how teachers are stricter on girls, and give higher grades to boys. Which is as far as I know not consistent with research, which has found that girls get better grades for the same work. But alas, victimhood is a not a male privilege.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/21 10:34 PM
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Males constituted 52 per cent (124) of offenders and females 48 per cent (114). Well what do you know, equal chances. I'll bet a tenner that the average feminists will tell you that it's essentially only men who do this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/21 08:14 AM
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It's MensLib, where defending women's rights are so important that the mere suggestion that men have a right to bodily autonomy is seen as someone trying to suggest that women don't have a right to bodily autonomy. In that place I fully expect them to suggest that men have to sacrifice themselves to make up for hundreds of years of oppressing women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/21 09:50 AM
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Well, colour me not surprised. Regarding your 18 women/3 men on that website: that's a journalism website. It's not really a surprise that (scientific) journalism is filled with women nowadays. It's one of those people-talking-writing studies, and as such it's no surprise that it is filled with women. What is a surprise, is that group that did the research is a behavioural group that is mostly men. I'd have expected mostly women, maybe that's why these results weren't tanked before publishing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/21 09:43 AM
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I don't see how this defines men as a monolith? But regardless of that it's a dumb as nails cartoon. Toss in a feminist on the right, and you get a "How could you be such a bigot, this the patriarchy, this is why we need feminism, #killallmen", except for the last one which gets a "Haha". And that is pretty much the level bullshit applied here. It's a dumb cartoon, and it once again cements the fact it comes from some dumb meme sub, it has no place here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/21 11:20 PM
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Including a black trans man who, despite being born black, didn't quite understand the severity of the black lives matter problem until he had transitioned and found his own life in danger. It's easy not to acknowledge that statistically Black women are much safer than white men, who are apparently the most privileged group to exist. Getting killed (by police) in the USA is more of a white male problem than a black woman problem, and more of a black men problem than a white men problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/21 02:48 PM
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That is some excellent design. On the mobile app it looks like a single very wide image. It's beautifully done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/21 11:39 PM
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One of the funniest things is that feminists often turn that around and say that it actually discriminates women because it results in them receiving lower pensions. If people start to discuss like that, the only logical conclusion is that women's pensions should be lower than men's pensions because they are expected to benefit longer off them... Assuming women and men live equally long strongly benefits women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/21 10:19 PM
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The focus of dual cutting blades is always on the victim side of women, and on the winner or perpetrating side of men. The focus is on the men who become a CEO, not on the much larger group of men who are on the streets. A focus is on the men who make a lot of money, not on the men who die at their job. A focus is on the higher salaries of men, not on the fact that they cannot spend time with their family and die young. The same goes for dating, a focus is on how women have it hard getting haras…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 08:42 PM
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"Patriarchy" ends for feminism as soon as women have to give up their patriarchal position of advantage. It has a humongous blindspot for advantages that women have in society, and I suspect a big reason for this is the lack of diversity in the movement, i.e. there are no men in feminism. Feminism will explain to you at length why not having women will lead to bad results, because it breeds ignorance of problems that women face. But no men in feminism? No problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 08:31 PM
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They do break it down, don't they? For the "% of men/women saying that being able to support a family financially is very important for". For "A man to be a good husband/partner" 72% of men agree, and 71% of women. For "A woman to be a good wife/partner", 25% of men agree, and 39% of women. So women and men agree that for men it is important to be a provider, men don't expect much from women, and women expect a bit from women. It's one of the first graphs. Now if we go for historic data, in 1980…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 08:29 PM
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Looks like the demands aren't really very different, except for the role as a provider, that one is huge. It's not surprising if everyone and their mother expects men to make more money, that men actually fold to that expectation. And unsurprisingly, it's not just men who think they have to fold to it, it's women who expect men to fold to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/20 01:41 PM
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I expect a lot of people to argue that this is fine and all, because women are literally beaten and raped in India, so some good things for them like being maintained by men, and having sexist marital laws in their advantage is okay. There seems to be a lot of sexism going on there, but you only need to watch that fragment where a woman in a TV show starts antagonizing a man, then hitting him, and once he does a tiny thing back a whole group of men starts beating him down. Sexism rotten to the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/20 11:09 PM
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Interestingly the journal which published this uses Altmetric, which gives a list of who tweeted about it, and some other social media. Including Reddit. It was featured on that sub 4 months ago, and while it obviously did not get 55k upvotes (instead it got 506, 87% positive), the responses aren't exactly what you might expect. Not sure what all the jeeted comments say though. Link to the post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 04:25 PM
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I'm pretty sure the original article has been linked here before (ok, it was), because when I saw that link I was thinking "another one?", but the scientific article itself is from June. But yeah it's a pretty interesting one. Does anyone know what kind of journal this was published in? Is it something kind of easy to get into like Nature Communications, or is it something which is a lot more strict with its peer review?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 04:22 PM
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You know the deal of how their lingo works. It's internalized misogyny, which is because of the patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/20 01:26 PM
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in the 80's? That's from before my time, but it hasn't stopped since.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/20 01:13 PM
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I believe about 10% of what these grievance studies people produce. I have no idea how to clean up those fields from the rampant politics, but that's how it is. Perhaps they would fare with some quota. As far as I have seen that kind of field has essentially zero men, often them being worse than most of the STEM fields. Fempanels where you have panels with only women seem to be the default setting. Let's just start with taking their own advice, and setting a 40% minimum of male representation in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/20 12:02 PM
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Why a supposed scholar of masculinity is reading Holmes as an explicitly, even traditionally masculine character is completely beyond me. It's a very popular character, he's got a penis, she needs something to write about. That's pretty much enough. These people do this kind of thing as a profession, so one needs to draw from various sources to try to remain relevant I suppose. They see a character on tv, so they write a little blob about it in the language they are familiar with. I don't think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/20 11:49 AM
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Yeah
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/20 07:31 AM
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I've seen a couple of news posts about this, including a video of a boy who was almost kidnapped, but saved. His dad was very happy he was bad, but mentioned they couldn't really celebrate until the other kids were returned. Honestly though, I wouldn't be surprised if between now and that group of girls that was kidnapped half a dozen other schools have been raided and ignored by Western media. It's far away, and doesn't have real impact on our life/politics here, so most of whatever happens the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/20 11:07 PM
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With shit like this I always have to think about right wing racists, who (correctly) proclaim that black people commit more violence. Their conclusion is that black people are violent and bad. According to this feminists standard of "men must hold other men responsible" it is the responsibility of black men to hold other black men responsible for their crimes. and according to their standard black men are violent and bad too. They just don't utter it out loud because then you realize how utterly…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 07:57 AM
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And the "good feminists" ignore that it is being misappropriated and insist on continuing to use it, frankly because they probably don't actually have any sympathy for the plight of men. I've seen a lot of signs that silence is violence. Which is a dumb standard, but anyone who carries a sign like that without speaking against this kind of double standard is according to their own standards an misandrist and responsible for the oppression of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 07:53 AM
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The first thing many, many boys in the USA learn is that their bodily autonomy is not their own to rule, as they are circumcised before they are even fully aware. Something which is often pushed by mothers, or because otherwise girls might think they are werid, and which is something that cannot be discussed in some places. Having said that, the top commenter does have the correct idea: We're constantly and consistently told that we're not entitled to bodily autonomy or integrity because we're n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/20 10:29 PM
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As ever the main problem I have with feminism is their exclusion of male voices, their inability to see victims as a victim if they are male, and their continuous view of women as victims, even if that means actively denying that women are co-responsible for a lot of societal and mens problems. It's ironic how strong this in my opinion misogynistic and misandric mindset is. "The women are weak and must be protected by the men who are strong and must help them".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/20 03:21 PM
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You can argue about how it affects men and what issues women have because of it, but you would be hard pressed to argue toxic masculinity is not leading to heightened suicide rates and depression among men. The problem with the term "toxic masculinity" is mostly that it puts the responsibility and blame fully on men, and in a large part on the behaviour of individual men. This way a societal problem (e.g. the expectation that men do not express their emotions, men being used as a wallet instead …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/20 08:19 AM
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Next up in the research, which is the more insecure gender? Oh I am definitely insecure about my height. Wouldn't be a problem as a woman. I guess the only ones somewhat comparable in getting shit on are really tall women (say 2m+). But then again, that is essentially the beauty ideal for models and they are seen as strong and such...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 03:22 PM
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Height is a 'fun' one. I have seen reports of a height wage gap as large as 7%, which is more than the gender wagegap if one corrects for things such as working hours, work experience and education. Haven't heard a single feminist talk about it any day. Talking about people who are fat and can essentially just eat less? There are hordes of anti-fatshamers. Well, apparently it's the same for short people because they can just break their legs and stretch them. Typical answer to people who complai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 03:21 PM
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an article in the Times titled "Cheney accused by rivals of draft dodging" another say "Donald Trump is a draft-dodging coward" Funny thing is that Biden is a draft-dodger who did sports before he was said to be incapable of going to Vietnam, just like Trump. It seems like whether it matters or not is more of a question of politics than actual matter. Reporting on oppression of women is quite similar, although to me a much more striking example is all the boys who were victim of Boko Haram and i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 02:43 PM
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Perhaps it's more.. nuanced? The problem with a lot of feminists is that they are just unable to see men as a victim in any situation, but very easily as perpetrator. So while they promote people outside of their group (black men perhaps), it is almost always due to victimhood that is derived from outside of their maleness. I think it is this inability to see men as a victim, combined with a popular framing men as criminals and sexual deviants, plus an overcreditation of agency to men which crea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 09:21 PM
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Yes, it is very frustrating. It is even worse because it seems very popular to use with a negative connotation by so called "liberals" who are very very trigger happy whenever someone is slutshaming. Somehow it is okay to talk shit about how many people men have sex with, but not with women. What's even worse is that according to the theory of these same people you are not allowed to "punch down". So in the same breath they'll call male virgins losers, and complain about 'the patriarchy' and how…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 04:05 PM
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A first look at the second article actually sounds pretty.. good. The URL is "why we underestimate women as violence commitors". She also talks about "if we talk about treating people the same, we have to also take women serious in their potential to be aggressive. I do not think that women are so different in that from men. But we tend to systematically underestimate the danger of women, especially with psychologically sick criminals (where criminals is specifically female gendered).". That's e…
/r/MensRights03/12/20 11:41 AM
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You have to sort of click on the link in the edit mode and then it gives an option 'change'. There you can change the url and text independently. Or you go to markdown mode, and there change the text between the [].
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 08:32 AM
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male suicide epidemic. Actually, women try to commit suicide more often, and therefore suicide is a womens problem that should be solved first. I'm really not unhappy about the fact that a shout for attention by people so distraught they try to commit suicide is not ignored. I am unhappy it is ignored from the men who die from it. The
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 08:29 AM
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Just as a sidenote, you did not actually change the link, you only changed the linktext. If you click it, it still points you to the www version.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 08:20 AM
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In my experience they're typically going to ignore both regardless. In my experience they are going to be strengthened in their opinion because of the relentless attacks. All these "Yes All Men" articles are a stronger alt-right push than any pull factor you could create. Well, they amplify the pull-factor of a group that seemingly does accept and want these men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 10:34 PM
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This seems like an excellent study about how working class men are hit by the evaporation of jobs, and how it leads to various deaths by suicide and drugs. As it considers men, ánd the economic situation of these men, it seems especially suited for this community. I would like to put some attention to the thread over at r/science which has a lot of men who talk about how men and everyone is hurting from the economic situation. It's not really a.. positive read, but it highlights a lot of real cu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 10:29 PM
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Par for the course, I've seen people at universities argue that a womensquotum was needed (40%) and that they might consider a genderquotum once the last man was gone at a social science field. Considering women the same as men is not something "diversity" minded people tend to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 07:46 AM
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This is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors to appeal to their voterbase and appear diverse and woke. It's not new, they are just demeaning the group by focusing on their gender. We have just had a long list of women in the press team of the White House. The Trump administration has had a long row of female press secretaries. People like Hope Hicks and Sarah Sanders. So what is new exactly, except for the fact that the new administration thinks their gender is more important than the current one?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/12/20 07:44 AM
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It's funny how female privileges is never really acknowledged. The fact that women are accepted as spokespersons if it relates to gender issues is not much different from how men are accepted to know something about tech more easily. I never really see anyone talking about checking female privilege though. Even though they always claim that "having privilege does not automatically mean you have it easier". It's a cynical stand but there is something to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/20 05:02 PM
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I'm always surprised how truly a lot of feminists actually seem to believe that women are weak ass victims. A lot of their talks and ideas really seems to boil down to the idea that women are weak. It's so strange compared to what I always thought feminism was historically: the idea that women are just as capable as men, and don't need to be chaperoned about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/20 08:53 AM
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Ah, that name even vaguely rung a bell. A short search points at Mary Koss being one of those rape apologists who thinks that men cannot be raped. Even worse, apparently she actively pushes for legislation that keeps it legal for women to rape men. Apparently it is so bad that even over at AskFeminists they consider her to be a rape apologist. Seems like she is knee deep into rape culture, actively trying to normalize rape of men. I wonder if feminists are also trying to cancel her...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 01:18 PM
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It is two sides of the same coin really. Women get the fawning over, the glorification of beauty, but on the other hand also abuse and stalkers. Men are thought to be more do-ers, and leaders, but on the other hand the men who aren't leading get screwed over and ignored. It is important to look at both sides of this coin. Most feminists have only 1 coin to look at: the bad side of the women, and the good side of the men. A lot of MRA will also have only one coin to look at: the good side for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 09:39 PM
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Honestly, it seems like calculating GDP is for some part eyeballing it. There are different rules used by different countries in how to calculate GDP. In Europe it now seems to be the rule that sex work is included, which gave interesting articles like this one. More interestingly (illegal) drug sales are included, which gives the interesting task of estimating the size of said market.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 04:22 PM
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Income from OF is taxable income and should be claimed with the IRA. Same goes for influencer sponsorships obviously. But it is part of the Gig economy, and such most of the people on OF don't actually make a lot of money from it. Wage inequality is very evident in OF, which has an estimated Gini Index of 0.83. The top 1% of accounts takes in 33% of the revenue, the top 10% takes 73% of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 04:16 PM
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Ah, yes. Naturally you get a set of womens organization who thing rape is only rape if physical force is involved. According to most feminists I see on Reddit, that would make them rape apologists. Well, if applied to women at least, but apparently women aren't equal to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 06:58 PM
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The earliest versions I saw also wanted to introduce the concept of rape of men. As in: currently if a woman rapes a man, she can only be convicted of sexual assault, and the new law was supposed to make that rape too (because it obviously is..). Barely ever reported in the media of course, because the fact that rape of men is only criminalized as rape in 2020 is apparently not newsworthy. I wonder how it turns out... The law might actually be accidentally more gender neutral than people think. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 02:37 PM
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It's a day to be 'manly', which according to these people does not mean men taking care of their own (mental) health, but taking care of women's health. Apparently they think we have to go back to 1950 when we still had manly men who took care of women, instead of these 'sissies' that think about their own mental health. It's amazing how their thoughts about men are stuck in 1950 while they can think about women in a 2020 mindset.
/r/MensRights21/11/20 02:23 PM
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Seriously, these are the kind of people that make people vote for idiots like Trump. If the choice would be between someone like that and Trump I would be really hard pressed on whom to vote for. The one who thinks that I am a total piece of shit, but might be less of a disaster for the country, or someone like Trump. I'm happy I live in a place with a diversity of parties, but ID politics and feminism give me a hard no on a party. I have no problem voting for a party that is not in my direct in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 09:21 PM
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Because men are made to be able to take a pounding or something? Yes. I believe the general thought is that women are weaklings and men are macho men, so women can never hurt a man, and it never happens anyway. Some shit like that. Fucking insufferable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 09:18 PM
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Yeah, typical feminism. Women are super weak because of the patriarchy, and their words carry no meaning and strength because they are mere women - in other words they are less than a man. Oh, but they are also more caring and in touch with their emotions, I guess that is why they like to issue death wishes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 02:54 PM
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The USA and the Soviet Union were allies during the second world war. They were not during the cold war. Hawaii was not an ally during the second world war, and not a state, yet the States came to it's aid. Hawaii is now an integral part of the USA. You call people an ally because they are outsiders, it is an explicit way of excluding men from feminism, while they can still gaslight that it is a movement for everyone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 02:48 PM
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also black men more likely to be found guilty Entirely to the surprise of nobody. Black men getting falsely accused of rape and receiving a witch hunt or lynching instead of a fair trail is a tradition as American as apple pie.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 11:10 AM
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It's important to know where these differences come from. Is it because some demographies are more often overweight, or because healthcare is less efficient, or because their diet on average is less. Because once you know that, you can specifically target that source. I always wonder though why nobody has a problem with men dying earlier, and still claiming healthcare works better for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/20 10:37 AM
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Almost every society in human history collapses into personal rule, a system where one man at the apex orders what happens everywhere, and nobody below him has any role but to carry out his orders. I see, now I don't believe in the existence of such a dictatorship. A dictator needs people below them to delegate tasks to, and those need to have power to operate. Rules for rulers concept essentially. Note it's funny how in the USA power keeps collapsing towards the president, while many European c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 10:31 PM
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Alright, that does broaden the scope significantly, because in that case years of slavery, separate but equal, colonialism and more is included. So the definition does not include freedom for all subjects, in other words, freedom of speech is not a guarantee for human rights for all I suppose? Anyway, I guess my point being here is that there is plenty of awful shit that's been done, so of that free speech actually goes back that far it's obviously not a panacea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 09:38 PM
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Let me rephrase that question: do you consider the USA the be a "democracy" right now? do you consider the USA to be a democracy from its start (at let's say 1789, adoption of the constitution), and if not, what year would you pick?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 09:24 PM
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All were dictatorships within living memory. And enthusiastic ones. The local civilians eagerly adapted to Nazi rule and happily delivered innocents to the Nazis. Same with the commies for the eastern ones. I'm not sure if I need to cry or laugh at this level of knowledge of European history. But I'm wondering now, since when do you consider the USA a "democracy"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 09:16 PM
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So your argument has no validity because the USA also jails people for contempt. That was indeed a stab at the USA for jailing people for contempt. But if your standard for free speech is "whatever the USA does now" then obviously Europe is going to have a different standard. It wasn't clear to me yet. Then I suppose the USA is number one at the standard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 09:01 PM
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So you are considering Sweden, Finland, Switzerland and Ireland. What discredits the Benelux countries, Norway or Denmark? I guess Iceland is too far away so you don't consider it western Europe? Liechtenstein I suppose is a princedom, where the prince has too much power for your taste? The rest of Europe had a period of being a pupet-state to the USSR or even part of it which disqualifies them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 08:58 PM
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Like jailing people for contempt of court? Do you have some kind of reference where you get information from on societies who jail people for that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 08:52 PM
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since the invention of liberal democracy in the 18th century In that case I am baffled how you consider only 3 countries in western Europe to not have had a dictatorship. Do you include WW2 or what?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 04:38 PM
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among the freest societies in Europe in terms of speech, Could you quantify that in any way, or give a source, because they have a famously shitty freedom of press ranking, not just because they mostly have shit resembling fox news, but also because of their use of gag orders and such. I could cite the world press freedom Ranking, but I guess that's not what you are thinking about (UK placed 35, USA placed 45).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 04:36 PM
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The USA and UK (plus Canada and Australian and New Zealand), which are completely unique in never having had a dictatorship, are demonstrably better. I guess you are one of those Americans who thinks the world started in 1778, or are you starting from a different timeframe which you still have to quantify? The UK used to be an absolute monarchy, until somewhere in the 16-hundreds. Just like most other European used to be (absolute) monarchies for that matter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 04:17 PM
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You said 27 minutes ago: I already cited the UK as immune to dictatorship because of their significant commitment to freedom of opinion. So are they immune to dictatorship because of their significant commitment to freedom of opinion, or is it on the path of destruction and more vulnerable to dictatorship with every year that passes?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 04:00 PM
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I already cited the UK as immune to dictatorship because of their significant commitment to freedom of opinion. Lol the UK is actually one of the countries with a shitty record on that, where people do actually get arrested for saying shit. It's a preposterous place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 03:46 PM
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You probably do not realize, but there are 27 EU members alone the fact that you think that only those three didn't have a dictatorship is hilarious. Not to mention the timeframe which is unclear. But if we are going 1900+, you might want to remember the fact the USA used to jail people for wrongthink (i.e. joining a communist party).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/20 03:42 PM
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Look, I'm in a private sub with somewhat random hardcore redditors. Recent poll was done on voting (anonymous): 99 participants, 2 Trump votes, 96 Biden votes. It's all about race, racism. If that's not why people vote for Trump, it is not going to win you the elections. If you are going to poll USAians why they vote Trump, I doubt the list will start with "because he hates black people", it's going to be something like "it's economically better for me now", "Biden is a socialist" (the irony her…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/20 03:41 PM
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It isn't because the right has done anything to advocate for male equality. They're not devoting any time or effort to it at all. Their position in actionable terms is neutral at best. IDpol wil talk a lot about how the patriarchs of the Reps are trying to control women. Somehow forgetting that opinions on abortion aren't a gendered issue, and that the latest female member of the supreme court is most likely pro-life...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/20 03:38 PM
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Similar behaviour happens on TwoX, these subs are breeding grounds for divisiveness and hate against men. Typically it's explained by "They were just venting". I'm pretty sure the opposite happens in some male-centered subs, but those aren't so.. mainstream.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/20 11:44 AM
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After seeing high-profile women like Ratajkowski and Sharon Osbourne showing a disgusting lack of empathy for men despite having husbands and sons Perhaps there is some overlap between these people and those who complain? There are the people for whom it is natural that women and men are equal, so specifically saying "I have a" is weird, because it implies you need those to appreciate a certain group. Then there is the other (much smaller group) which has a "X", but still hates those, so for the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/20 10:30 AM
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What is wrong with the word ally though? Imagine there is a war. You and your neighbours are both citizens of the same county. You join in the army and fight, not as allies, but as fellow citizens. Now imagine there is some dude from another country who joins you. That guy will be your ally, you did not include him in your country, or party, as you will. You just let him join in your battles, but he is not like you, you don't owe him the same as you owe your fellow citizen - and the reverse hold…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/20 10:30 AM
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It is interesting seeing these article written in more mainstream media It's interesting seeing it in the Guardian. That's the type of publication I associate with terms like "white privilege" and "toxic masculinity". Love the Center for Reasearch in Race and Education woman: "it ignores evidence that other people are disadvantaged, oh and white working class groups are not the most disadvantaged, they are like the fourth after Gypsy, Roma and Traveller groups". Can't do a thing with those kind …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/20 07:55 AM
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Abc news in 2000: Disenfranchised black males account for 35 percent of all Americans now barred from voting because of felony convictions. Two percent of all Americans, or 3.9 million, have lost the right to vote, compared with 13 percent of adult black men. State Policies Vary Seems like it increased by a little over 1 million in 20 years. ​ Anyway, the complete disregard to voting rights is just another example of why I don't like the political system in the USA. There are countries with voti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/20 09:48 PM
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Exactly. The saying "14/50" (aka: 14% of the population commit 50% of the crimes) is very popular among racists: black people commit 50% of the crimes. The "kill all men"-type of feminist approach is essentially the same, but they just blame it on men. The only reason they don't adopt a 7/50%-type of approach (because most of the black perpetrators are men) is because they cannot get away with that type of overt racism and sexism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/20 11:04 AM
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This article was just about white dudes, though, not black dudes. There are other articles about black men. I know there are other articles about black men. The thing is that the ones that are written in the same vein are mostly found in either racist places, or articles like "heterosexual black men are the white men of black people". ​ And white men have been struggling with a long period of enormous economic dislocation that has turned them into a surplus labor force. If Donald Trump loses in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/20 07:51 AM
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It's a demographic fact that young, unmarried, jobless men are insurgency timebombs From the statistics I know that the male group least likely to have a job in the USA is young black men. Much more so than white men. And from what I know of the USA what they did in the past (well, still do actually) is mass incarceration, and the provision of zero economic outlook, and a lot of racism and negative programs. I think the lesson we can learn from that is that maybe it's bette to lift up and help p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/20 10:31 PM
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The focus of BLM is purely race based and ignores the huge factor of gender. If it would also acknowledge gender, then men of any race would not only be the natural allies of black men, but fellow victims. The racism amplifies their victimization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/20 04:03 PM
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I have talked to some of these "leftists" in the context of how the democrats are pushing away poor (white) voters by shitting on them, and calling them "deplorable". The explanation that they gave was of the sense "Well, if they don't want to be called deplorable, they should not vote for people with deplorable policies". They firmly believe that hating men is fine, because the "good ones" know that they are not talking about them. Which is pretty ironic, or perhaps perverse is a better word, c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/20 09:42 AM
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Most often, these are single mothers trying to make it on their own, unfortunately. Which again, is linked to the fact that black men get thrown in jail due to various reasons. And other various economical factors due to which black men are poorer. But essentially I guess it boils down to a lot of class, racial and gender based discrimination. Its my contention that most social justice issues could be resolved if we were able to address the fatherlessness problem many young boys and girls face t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/20 02:18 PM
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I think the BLM movement is of enormous importance for anyone who wants to protect men. The black men that get shot by police are shot at such enormous rates not just because they are black, but also for a large part because they are men. While non-black men might not get shot at the rate of black men, they still are far more likely to get shot than women of any race. Or in other words, it's because of their race and their gender - being a black man - that they get shot so often. Black women too…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/20 01:49 PM
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The reason that white women became the front runner of it for so long was because of their population size. They're the majority of the population, they have the power to dictate certain narratives. White women dominate movements and change it. White middle and upper class women had the most time and resources to push for change. Men of any class had to work. Poor women had to work. By and large upper and middle-class women did not have to provide for themselves, because their husband did. This …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/20 10:03 PM
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Oh or how about: "It was men who send them to war". It's similar to "the USA had a black president so racism is gone". One can only sigh at people with such privilege that they assume a man in office won't do things that are bad for men. Or however it makes sense to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 09:13 PM
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If a man would talk like she does, but about women, he would be considered dangerous. People would call him an incel (which as an insult is a whole other level of virgin shaming), and would imply that he would be likely to actually kill someone. The feminist analysis of this would be that we consider women to be too incapable to murder someone, or that we consider so utterly incompetent to actually do something bad. Or, to put it in the concepts of the identity politics people: she has so much p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 02:30 PM
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Casual racism is a hell of a drug.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 02:24 PM
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My biggest peeve with feminism is that many feminists can only understand the world as "women are oppressed victims and the patriarchy (which is usually a dogwistle for men) is their oppressor". There is such a lack of respect for women that stems from this view, that women are somehow so much more incompetent than men, in any given situation, and it holds back equality so much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 11:51 AM
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The other day a picture was making the rounds on Twitter, about which group was least likely to go to university in the UK. As a complete non-shocker it turned out to be white boys from poor families, followed by white girls from poor families. As a complete non-shocker, there were people arguing that these poor white boys had different alternatives, so them not going to university is a luxury. It's amazing really how the whole identity politics can be used to say that even if there is a group w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/20 09:34 AM
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It’s a special kind of female supremacy to look at a woman who opposes everything you believe in and still ultimately blame men for her shortcomings. It can also be seen as a form of disrespect, like the TERFs who talk about trans-men as their "sisters" because they don't respect their decisions. Deciding that a woman who does not follow your viewpoints does that because she is easily influenced while you are all above that to me seems condescending.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/20 08:49 PM
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In the Guardian they like to say how she smashed the glass ceiling and pulled up the ladder behind her. "Thatcher was no feminist". "What did Thatcher do for women." Then again, there are also people who argue that she is a feminist icon. From the second link of above: She was the most terrifying prospect for a young and relatively inexperienced interviewer and I was, frankly, physically sick at the thought of turning up at Downing Street and trying to engage her in the kind of issues that were …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/20 07:57 PM
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I'm actually quite shocked that the menslib mods allowed this to stand. My working theory is that they would not allow this to be posted anymore in the current time. But that's an impossible theory to test, unless someone delves through the archive of deleted posts and finds one that is essentially the same. It makes women partially responsible for men's issues. Indeed, imagine thinking women are part of the problem, instead of blaming everything on white heterosexual men and the patriarchy (*on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/20 09:23 PM
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If you are a man, then I am glad such is your lived experience. If you are a woman, I am unhappy to inform you that such is not the experience of many men. As an outsider there are many aspects that might be seen as empowering, but actually living it is more depressing than empowering, and you are expected to solve it yourself, by yourself and without complaining. Because you are a man. Life is diverse, anyone who tells you that either gender role is happy dandy and without problems is trying to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/20 02:34 PM
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​ But this deceptively simple case illustrated the vices of sex stereotypes: Aggressive men (and boys) drink and drive, women (and girls) are demure passengers. And those stereotypes affected everyone’s behavior, including the enforcement decisions of police officers. If only this would be realized more in modern times. Today it is still "men are aggressive and violent who deserve to be put in jail, and women are their demure victims". It's like some of the modern feminist movements in the UK wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/20 02:24 PM
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From this article from Time.com it seems that she has argued various cases in favour of mens rights - in the 1970s! These were cases like men not having a right to social security as a widower, while women have it - because men are presumed to be making money and women don't have to. Or a case where women could buy liquor at 18, but men at 21. So it seems she has done a lot for men's rights. From what I understand she was also against the sexist standard in selective service (the draft). But as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/20 02:18 PM
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This is why feminism will never solve these problems; the movement is more interested in tormenting men. Maybe I am pedantic, but I would not agree to this statement. I think it is more of a total lack of understanding of how the world is for the average man. There are huge representation problems in feminism, and the lack of male representation is just one of them, although I think that is one which is done purposefully. It's why I think it's important to keep listening to women, and make sure …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 07:52 PM
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I have been at a gender-diversity lecture in STEM, where a university representative was discussing what solutions they had introduced to get more female scientists. One of the solutions was providing better daycare for children, and parental leave - both only for women. Then one of the women in the audience asked why they only provided that for the female parents. As a man I was wondering the same - but in situations like that it is nowadays socially unacceptable as a man to speak up against th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 02:10 PM
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If that is true, feminists won't like it. My main gripe with feminism is that it is utterly incapable of viewing men as victims on a similar level to women. And if at any rate something is acknowledged, it seems that it is always still the fault of "the patriarchy" and thus men only, even if women propagate the concept at equal or larger rates than men. I'm really convinced that a lot of feminists see women as lesser than men in a lot of ways - which seems utterly moronic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 01:23 PM
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From what I have been told it historically meant something that is done to men. Now it is used as if men have an aura of toxicity around them. There is just an extreme lack of empathy for men, if they have it bad they are told they are at fault. It feels if something happens to a woman, people jump on the bandwagon to tell how it wasn't her fault, society socialized her that way, how society is biased against women. If something happens to a man, people ask why didn't he fight back, how could he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 01:10 PM
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It's funny how from a first look one cannot be sure if it's a conservative Christian (not saying this one is, I did not check!) who wants to protect their little princesses, or from a progressive feminist who thinks men do not respect women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/20 08:57 AM
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to acknowledge/condemn weak men and their contribution to the war against masculinity. You have a problem with "weak men"? What is that supposed to mean? If anything it is weak to drop down to the level of feminism and use gendered insults and tell people they shouldn't live how they want to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/20 09:23 AM
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If only we would look at problems and try to fight them with empathy and help. Instead we have people on the right who essentially think that black/poor/men people are inherently violent and bad, who should get any transgressions punished out of them, and on the left there are the exact same type of people, but for them it applies to men. I wonder at what point the woke-crowd will realize that black men are victims of both racial and gender issues. It will definitely take some time, and their in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/20 10:17 AM
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If you start with different expectations from different genders a lot of sexist behaviour is suddenly doesn't look like sexism anymore. It doesn't change the behaviour, but it does change how it is interpreted. It's why there is some weird overlap between some conservative viewpoints and some feminist viewpoints.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/20 12:21 PM
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One way to consider statements like this not sexist is to think of women as less capable than men, and needing more support than men to achieve the same. Once you look at them like that these statements don't look that bad anymore. I am not sure that's a good steelmanning of feminists though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/20 06:42 AM
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On r/science this was posted with the headline: Research in which men do slightly better than women is considered less important, less plausible, less well executed, more surprising, hurtful, harmful, disruptive and sexist than research showing the same benefit for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/20 07:45 PM
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I wonder if they prefer the axioma of patriarchy. In a lot of senses patriarchy is something that means whatever they want it to mean. If resources have to be blocked from going to battered men, you say "patriarchy means that men already get help, himpathy!", if someone asks why nobody helps battered men and why they only find MRA/MGTOW resources if they search for resources for battered men, you say "the patriarchy makes it such that society does not acknowledge violence against men, but we do"…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/20 11:19 AM
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To me one of the main problems of identity politics is that it has the habit of seeing things too strongly through the lens of identity. If someone says something, it cannot be just a person who says something on subject X. It is a <x-race> of <y gender> with <z migrational status> and <l sexuality> who says something on subject X. It's not just "Oh that's an American saying something on the subject of how to eat cookies", but "Oh that's someone who moved here from Somalia who says something abo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/20 01:16 PM
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Abstract: Informed by moral typecasting theory, we predicted a gender bias in harm evaluation, such that women are more easily categorized as victims and men as perpetrators. Study 1 participants assumed a harmed target was female (versus male), but especially when labeled ‘victim’. Study 2 participants perceived animated shapes perpetuating harm as male and victimized shapes as female. Study 3 participants assumed a female employee claiming harassment was more of a victim than a male employee m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 03:03 PM
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Saw this pass by on Twitter: Gender bias in harm perception: Across 6 studies (N>3k), we find people more readily stereotype women as victims and men as perpetrators of harm. This bias suggests it's more challenging to detect and respond compassionately to male suffering. I haven't had time read the study yet, but from what I see from the abstract and the notes by the author it seems to conclude what most here already realized: women are stereotyped as victims, and men are stereotyped as perpetr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 02:57 PM
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It baffles me how that organisation is co-opting the fact that black men are getting assassinated on the street, and then fully disregards it in their mission statement. It's a default feminist tactic, which also makes it surprising that they don't mention feminism anywhere - except for lots of feminist concepts: men dying women most affected, create spaces that don't center men (if they could do that for all the murder, would be great but that's not what they mean), lots of talk about all sexua…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 06:54 AM
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I think there are two types of BLM. There is the BLM how it is used in the common language: stop shooting black people and stop discriminating black people. There is also the more 'official' BLM. If you look at their "What we believe" page, you wil see that it is not about men at all. Seriously. They don't even mention people getting shot by police, or the fact that that is almost always black men. Instead it says things like: We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/20 06:43 AM
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without attacking women or feminism Yeah, that's MensLib alright. They talk about societal and internal struggles which men face, but above that and all else, make sure that women and feminism are protected. If only it centered their discussion about men's issues instead of feminism, it could be such a good space.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/20 11:14 PM
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That's not a very diverse committee and public now is it. I only see women. Don't they gave gender quota there?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/20 06:10 AM
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Oh these kind or reports don't run on donations. These reports are made by professionals with a paid job. Same goes for all the feminists and gender studies academics. A lot of it is directly run by government money. And don't get me wrong, there should be money for gendered issues from the government. But the spending should not be so single-gendered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 03:04 PM
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I think most of the people who make these kind of indexes are fully convinced that a man could ever have a negative consequence because of their gender. They will have some exceptions, and those are usually blamed on the patriarchy, which then is another argument for gender inequality, because patriarchy=men (unless nuance forced). Well either that, or there is some political gain to this. That's probably also the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 03:00 PM
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My interpretation would be that at heart the gripe is with people who follow or promote (destructive) gender roles. One of those is stereotyping him as dangerous and abusive, because he's a tall black man. Another one is that because of that he is somehow not allowed to be an artist. The gripe with feminism is that it claims to be breaking these kind of gender stereotypes, but in practice there is little to none they do to help him out, and there are quite a lot of feminism that actually helps a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/20 11:58 AM
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Oh my lord that original thread is Brilliant. Are we allowed to be feminists or are we relegated to just allies? Regardless, you can't expect your allies to stick around if you treat them like garbage. 98 upvotes. And I expect allies to know the difference between venting about our oppression and hating all men. This bit deeper down still got 34 upvotes though. I guess I can stop all my nuance and just vent shit like "YesAllWomen". Although I think only women are accepted to vent, because only t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 02:02 PM
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To this day I wonder why people do not say that feminism/BLM has co-opted the brutal police violence against (black) men. Murder by police bullets is incredibly one sided as per gender. Everywhere. I mean, yeah, the only reason it is seen as acceptable is because there is a deep racist component there. Black people receive a ton of discrimination, and end up killed, impoverished and jailed. Yet still, look who is at the bottom of all statistics: black men. However that's the thing, isn't it? Mur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 01:28 PM
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Isn't this reinforcing the idea that what it takes to be a man is to be ready to give your life to someone else? Am I wrong to think that there's something really wrong in seeing a "man" in a child, due to the fact that he was willing to give his life for his sister? Personally I see it as an acknowledgement of the role of men in society, it is an acknowledgement of the disposability of men. Even at that young age that boy is expected to potentially give up his life for his sister. Not because h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 01:13 PM
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Yes I agree but do you think they will actually focus on the right things? I think they will drag their feet, first only see "Oh hey it is black men", then they will include other categories "Oh hey, it is also gay men". Maybe one day it will be also for poor men, or well I guess for men from poor families. But ultimately the big problem is that feminism is 'feminism' and not egalitarianism because feminists accept the fundamental tenet of seeing men as perpetrators and women as victims. Fixing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/20 01:07 PM
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A lot of criminalization could be avoided by not punishing when someone derails, but by making sure people never end up in the criminal system. More attention should be given to poor families, and it is important that boys (and girls) from poor families the same chances as anyone else, and naturally that poor does not mean destitute. There will always be a poorest person in a country, but this does not mean that person has to be destitute. Note that finally some feminists realize this, be it onl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/20 04:24 PM
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It's a problem that is present in all of these male/female comparisons that I have seen. Commonly they don't actually measure equality, they just measure something that can be loosely seen as women's privileges/rights. For example in education, if only 40% of higher education diploma's go to women, that is seen as inequality. If only 40% go to men, that is seen as an equal society. I mean, what does it say about a society if men cannot be legally raped by women, or if they do not receive protect…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/20 10:04 AM
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You should consider getting text to speech software, according to a friend who uses it they are pretty good nowadays.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/20 08:29 AM
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Your message is close to impossible to read. I would advise to use some sort of spelling correction, which is available for most browsers nowadays, and stick to English words instead of abbreviations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 03:45 PM
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Feminist scholars talk a lot about diversity, talk a lot of crap about how women are not welcome in STEM fields and claim how diverse they are. Take one look at the typical gender sciences department, and count the number of men - they are barely there. So where are the demands for gender quota in their own fields, because more diversity is better for the science? Which scientific fields work their asses off for diversity, and which fields are saying "oh we are so smart, we can just imagine what…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 08:18 AM
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higher education Don't mix up activism like Feminist studies, woman's sciences and genderstudies with real higher education programs like the STEM fields. Most people who go to university try to learn something productive for society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/20 10:29 PM
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Most women aren't even feminists. Women are feminists, men are allies of feminism. But that post was way too critical of women for MensLib. Something of that stick might be allowed to be up for a little bit, if you dress it the way they think. So you should not say "Women are responsible", because women are never responsible. You have to say something like "The patriarchy also makes mothers instil toxic gender roles in their sons", they will read it as "Men make their women give boys toxic roles…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/20 10:24 PM
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It seems that that article has been posted there before, about 1 2 year ago. Got a good 500 upvotes. The top comment is deleted - but it seems by the user. They probably scrubbed their account. I'm kind of wondering if all those comments would still fly now, because they seem pretty... critical of society in a lot of places. Heck there is even a comment in response to the (deleted?) statement "women are now allowed inside the masculine box, but men are still limited to the masculine stereotype" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/20 10:11 PM
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If menslib would consider men's feelings as fragile as they consider feminism, and men as fragile as women, it would be a much better place. Or, you know, the other way around. If they would consider their brand of feminism so strong that it would stand up to some tiny bits of scrutiny, but the last thing is not the case, as is seen in many highly upvoted comments. The readers of that sub are much less loving of feminism than the subs, in the end it just contributes to the alt-right pipeline by …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/20 10:03 PM
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I'd say this is an example that companies might put all sorts of social justice, feminism or other slogans on their posters, but in the end the only thing they care about is pushing a product. In this case one that quite literally can kill you. It's something to remember when companies give (empty) promises on gender or racial equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/20 08:41 PM
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Women who agree with them get a lot of exposure, women who do not agree with them are blamed on "internalised misogyny" which is something they are not at fault for. It's super intriguing how simultaneously women are strong and capable of anything, yet at the same time easily influenced by the patriarchy. I always wonder how these people consider women like Margaret Thatcher, who wasn't know for her... socialist ideals or extreme aversion of violence/war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/20 10:38 AM
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As always when these pass by I'd like to mention that tiny-girl hands were probably equally high in demand (and badly paid) in the mills to operate the looms. And they probably did not have PPE in any of those places back then.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/20 09:38 AM
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I'd expect them to say it is due to the patriarchy, and then to grudgingly admit that women are co-responsible for upholding that patriarchy. TM is yet another one of those terms that is TM, just like the term patriarchy. It holds the implication that it is the fault of men, and I firmly believe that is just how feminists like to talk about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/20 09:28 AM
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and maybe especially in the Netherlands Interestingly a minister from a Christian party has recently started modernizing the law regarding rape and sexual abuse, including the ground breaking new concept that forcing a man to have sex with you is rape, instead of sexual assault, thereby finally acknowledging female rapists. This seems to be glossed over by most media though. So after acknowledging marital rape in 1991, we might start acknowledging male rape in 2020-ish.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/20 06:51 PM
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I'm always puzzled when I personally think feminists are right, but they themselves don't believe what they preach. One example is diversity in representation. For example in academia it is very popular that there should be a certain minimum representation of women in STEM, because women have different ideas, bring something else to the table, if there are not many the culture changes and so on. Not once have I seen a feminist claim that the same should be true. Feminist sciences are one of the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 07:30 AM
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I've seen the same thing happen at a university. Couple of people propose to create a 40% minimum woman-quotum, they call it a gender quotum, and then they explicitly state "yeah, we have some positions with less than 40% men, but that's not in the most senior positions. Well just ignore it, and if it becomes 100% female we might need to look at it". Really, these feminists and social scientists are shouting how inclusivity is important, and then in their own fields they don't do a thing for div…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/20 07:30 PM
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TheFairerSex got banned, apparently after going private.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/20 10:33 AM
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human trafficking I remember reading an article about human trafficking and how at some point suddenly there were many more men who were getting victims of human trafficking. Turns out they just didn't track them before. Can't find it back, but here are also some interesting statistics on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/20 01:15 PM
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I think what they mean by patriarchy is traditional gender roles and sexist stereotypes Sounds like they are wilfully trying to poison the conversation, by insinuating that it is men who are solely responsible for traditional gender roles and sexist stereotypes. Which is typical for a lot of feminists, who tend to have trouble acknowledging that women can hold any power in a society. A view which has leaked through to general society by the way, even if women are pushing for certain terrible thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/20 10:40 AM
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All that feminism does regarding to men is claim that issues men face are also feminist issues. They try to co-opt them for clout, without actually understanding them, trying to understand them or fundamentally change them. You have to look at what they do, not what they claim. As I was told by a feminist on an event about the historical position of women that I visited (hardly any men present, and the few that were there were singled out and ridiculed): feminism is for women, and by women. The …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/20 10:31 AM
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Who care what model the feminist organizations embrace ? who care what they say ? Well those woman studies groups might show up in force and protest you. Feminism is literally an industry by now, and there are tons of people who devote their studies to it. Most men study something to actually improve society, or something that can actually get them a job.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/20 07:16 AM
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We need to change our way of thinking before changing the society. This cannot be seen separately from society. The lack of compassion for other men is not an inherent genetic trait of men, it is ingrained in them by society. Yes it is (powerful) men who keep those stereotypes alive, but it is not just men. They are allied in that with the radical feminists, the tradcons and just the general feeling in society that ingrains in men this lack of compassion. The whole idea that men and particularly…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/20 08:39 AM
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Look if you come in here with the claim that "women are as emotionally repressed as men" you cannot be surprised that people push back on that. Then you start about toxic masculinity (TM). Because you are a woman and a radical feminist you do not understand what toxic masculinity means to men. Toxic masculinity does not have a well defined definition, which means that different meanings are applied. The short version from wikipedia is "certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to soci…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/20 03:34 PM
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To me it seems like it's not just about police accountability, many people seem to consider the racism part to be more important than police brutality and accountability. At least, that's how I explain the fact that black women getting killed is talked about, while the much higher rate of shooting (unarmed) white men is not. More unarmed men get killed than the total number of killed women, armed or not. But if it would only be about what they say, all men would be included, but if you suggest t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 10:14 AM
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The current method of telling people to get a girlfriend seems to be mainly to say "bet better at getting a girlfriend". Then people are shamed if they don't follow the unwritten rules. It comes to no surprise to me that this combined with the expectation that men take all initiative leads to men tripping up and doing stupid things. Of course less men are cat called than women if the social role of women in current courtship is one of passivity, men are expected to take initiative. I think a lar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 09:30 AM
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Read the 8th point. Apparently, the dude's a TERF. Oh, then he's not even allowed in most feminist spaces because even they recognize he's an idiot. The overall intellect shining through does shout out TERF. [Edit] Number 19 is typically seen as pretty terfy too. ​ Also, number 33 is a hoot: Any random woman, or perpetuated stereotype thereof, can be made into a feminist at my convenience. This exemplar can then be used to call attention to the supposed hypocrisy of feminism, by pretending that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 07:51 AM
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Before I read this because it is probably an exercise in futility. Are these carefully thought out ways of how straw-MRAs are wrong? ​ After reading the first 4 points: the person writing this is delusional and their bullshit is leaking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/20 07:44 AM
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Put the damn nsfw flare on if you post stuff like this. It's not that damn hard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/20 04:16 PM
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Is that guy why I suddenly see stories everywhere about 14-year-old girls with 'relationships' with 20+-year-olds? Because that is quite a different situation. Regarding the reversal of gender: I don't see why one would be worse than the other, especially because women always seem to claim that they age faster than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/20 12:12 PM
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Argh. I know that there are many, many male victims of DV, but when we're talking about higher-level stuff (eg murder), it is overwhelmingly female victims. DV is absolutely gendered. The thing that buzzes me about this, is that this is the typically response that a feminist would give - and not just feminists, general society. However if we look at other issues for example racism and police murders in the USA, the amount of police murders is much more gendered than DV, yet the gendered nature o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 01:00 PM
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I would love to know how the answers to those four questions are. I'd also love how the general population answers these questions Many women have a quality of purity that few men possess. Women should be protected and cherished by men. Both of these points are very popular among both the tradcons and feminists. It is how and why we get all these bullshit newslines about "women leaders more competent" and so on. Feminism just can't agree with itself wether women are equal or whether they are hol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/20 07:07 AM
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SRS cabal Noticed the term somewhere else, couldn't find the meaning. What is SRS?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 07:55 PM
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It's notable that also for very traditional men, putting their child first is also considered to be the correct choice. Ofcourse this is also often positioned as working in order to be able to support the child and mother - and many men have worked themselves to (early) death doing so. But caring for a child and taking responsibility for it are values that are very broadly accepted as very manly. I love that he puts it with a lot of emotions here, and also focusing on emotion - and not just for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 07:51 PM
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"Mackenzie Bezos is contributing to a $30 million" She has a net worth of 51 billion USD. This is pocket change. The median net worth of a us household is 93k USD. Het net worth is about 500.000 times as high, so this is something like the equivalent of 60 dollars for the median household - and that isn't even her personal share, if she pays half of it, it's the equivalent of 30 dollar for a normal family! An Amazon wage kind of equality is pissing in the margins. Amazon paying good living wages…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 07:39 PM
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I think there definitely was/is discrimination. As a man it's hard to imagine how this is for women, but as a man we all know what would happen if we decided we wanted to work in childcare: many would doubt our qualifications, parents would say "but is he qualified", society will tell us "men who want to take care of little children are creeps/rapists" - and any time there is a reported scandal somewhere we would be seen as possible co-abusers. I imagine for STEM the women were never called rapi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 04:06 PM
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The thing that pisses me off about these kind of programs is that it is often a sins of the father story. There is an underrepresentation of women in certain fields, so the position is that there was a historical discrimination, and that this is wrong. Then instead of trying to solve the discrimination, it is decided that men should be discriminated against in order to fix the imbalance as fast as possible. The question I always have is, if it was wrong then what makes it right now? Those people…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/20 01:20 PM
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"But muh unpaid labor!!!" Claiming unpaid labour while spending most of the household budget is always a weird combination to me. I saw someone recently who called a family the perfect communist model: the money comes in and is then spend by the family, not by the one who makes the money. It's interesting that the fact that people now guard their own part of the household money is a development that was strongly triggered by feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 08:27 AM
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One of the "great" (actually totally fucked up things) of the incel terminology is that it creates another layer of stigmatisation for people (mostly men) who don't have sex. Now people who don't have sex not just get looked down upon for not fulfilling societal expectations, but they are also said to be violent. Feminists will claim "yeah but that is what they call themselves" - then turn around and use that term for people who do not identify as incel. I see "Incel" as yet another term where f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/20 08:23 AM
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Someone recently linked to an interview with Erin Pizzey (founder of first shelter in the UK). From what I understand of her there is a lot of intergenerational violence. Children learn from their parents and continue the cycle. I think to really break the cycle it is important to intervene before the next generation picks this up, or to intervene well.. at any point. But it is important to start acknowledging that women are very capable of (sexual) violence, domestic abuse, and are committing b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/20 10:22 PM
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According to the federal statistical office, in the private sector the total gender pay gap was 19.6% in 2016. Of this 43% was unexplained, which leaves an actual gender pay gap of 8.4%. In the public sector the gender pay gap is 16.7%, of which 34.8% is unexplained, which gives an actual gender pay gap of 5.8%. The article on the Guardian claims they are protesting against a 20% pay gap, so the solution to closing most of that seems to be to start working more and harder. Now I'm convinced ther…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/20 09:14 PM
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I'm gonna make a bet that the fields where they try to include more women are the ones where there's a great need for workers. Over here there is a lack of primary school teachers and nurses. I have yet to find the huge programs that exist for men in stem for people in those positions. Same goes for academia, those are not positions with a great need for workers, and quota only exist for male dominated fields, not for female dominated fields like Gender Sciences and other social things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/20 12:06 PM
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I think it's somewhat ironic that I got mentioned for a post that I wrote out of frustration, and had planned on deleting. I guess I'm not the only one with said frustrations. Anyway, it's an interesting feature, I'll check later if I missed something interesting...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 11:38 PM
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Exactly why do you think there are not a lot of women in STEM and other technical fields?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 01:45 PM
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Men do get put down by women. Men are said to be less caring, less social and less nurturing - we are essentially said to have no feelings. Not just that, but men are also said to be predatory and violent. Pushing back against stereotypes that women can't do stem while not pushing against harmful stereotypes that men have no feelings is bad, but it happens everywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 12:41 PM
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I'm still afraid for the USA that they might reelect Trump. His first election was quite a surprise so I wouldn't be surprised if they do it all again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 07:28 AM
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Is this person stating that canceling a talk in 2020 is good because of something someone wrote/said in 1970 but never published? It even seems to be more of a research piece than an opinion piece. I'm not an Farrell expert, so what does the guy have to say about it in 2020? What he is going to say in 2020 is relevant, not what he once said in 1970. Also note that the 1970s was the time of the free love movement, which did plenty of things that would now be illegal. Was that a good idea? Well ob…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 07:09 AM
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It's interesting how feminists in the USA talk about how women's bodily integrity is violated in various ways, and at the same time essentially ignore that the first thing done to a baby boy in the USA is to violate their bodily integrity and lob off a part of their penis. They realise bodily integrity is important for women, and then for boys go 'meh'. Oh and the USA even exports that shit to other countries. They are circumscizing men in Africa because apparently it helps against HIV. Not sure…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 11:30 PM
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Please make this nsfw. The picture shows up in the app, and while I don't take offense I'd still rather not look at it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 11:24 PM
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It's actually interesting how Erin does not identify as a feminist, and left the movement because she disagreed where it was going to, yet the starting of these shelters by Erin is now used as a great example how feminists started the domestic shelter system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 02:07 PM
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I think it is a bit more than that. Most people don't realise that men have problems and the main message that is propagated is that feminism is the only group that is fighting for gender equality. The only thing that gets published regularly in the media is things like "women have it bad in X", "Women have is bad in Y", "1 out of 4 homeless people is a woman, this is terrible" - men suffering gets acknowledged much much less often. We just get peppered with messages that life is hell for women …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 01:57 PM
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What's going on with these few self loathing posts lately? There is not a lot of positive attention for men and boys nowadays, but we get bombarded by feminist messages that tell us all men are (which is "not all men, but You Know Who It Is") complicit in the oppression of women. Men are also expected to do things and if we don't succeed it's because we 'couldn't even exploit our privileges'. I think it's easy to internalize a feeling of failure to oneself if one feels lost and without support. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 07:31 AM
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It definitely is, but it is also always the case. Regulations like this are introduced, then a few years later society wonders about how men are committing suicide more often and somehow don't go and get treatment for anxiety. These woman's groups want to write the discrimination into the damn laws nowadays.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/06/20 06:37 AM
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I agree. Modern Feminism though only looks at the corporate class. The one good thing they might be able to bringing to those positions though is a bit of the concept of work-life balance. For women it is considered less acceptable to work an ungodly amount of hours per week, and only see your family on Sundays and bank holidays - even by feminists. So more of a work-life balance is introduced, which trickles down to men. Although often women have to remind the feminists that men want to be able…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/20 05:19 PM
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What I dispute is that men in the corporate class are more privileged compared to women in the class. In the end which one of them is most privileged seems pretty irrelevant too. Any working class man or woman would trade their position for that of a corporate class man or woman. If a gender equality movement is more concerned about the corporate class than the working class it's better to throw that movement out of the window altogether anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/20 05:09 PM
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Beyond that, the wife of the CEO is as privileged as the CEO, but has to do less work and can threaten divorce over him. Meanwhile, good luck finding a female CEO who marries down. So I even disagree with the notion that men in any capacity are economically privileged. Some of these people lose 10 billion of their net worth because they divorce, but are still the richest person on earth. Besides, these people don't work for their money. Their money works for them. But besides that, I think this …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/20 04:53 PM
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Yes, and as Erin Pizzey said, the men who were/are funding the womens shelters aren't going to be giving money to the mens shelters. If people actually believe that men have it good because high ranked men make the rules, they should try to live under a civilization that was made by Margaret Thatcher. The last people I expect to empathize for poor men is billionaire CEOs who pay their workers minimum wage and lobby the government for lower taxes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/20 03:13 PM
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All of this doesn't matter, because feminism is dogmatically unable to see men as victims in any situation. Even just suggesting this will get you laughed at in your face. They pretend that intersectional feminism cares about discriminated and disenfranchised black or minority men, but the only reason they care for them is because of their skin colour, despite the fact that they are men. All these points can be whatabouted away: Men falling behind economically? That is preposterous, look at the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/20 02:47 PM
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As this is for the USA: school financing. The USA has a messed up system where the amount of funding that a school gets depends on wealth of the neighbourhood it resides in. Now in itself this is not bad - schools in poor neighbourhoods should receive more money because the children in general have less support from home. However the reverse happens: Poor people go to poor and thus bad schools, while rich people go to well funded schools. The cycle continues at university levels where the rich b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/20 07:17 AM
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I don't think she was actually convicted of domestic abuse. As I understand, she was being prosecuted for domestic abuse. There is obviously a huge difference there. But I also think there is a large difference between how men who are prosecuted for cases like this are treated, and how women are treated. At the same time the fact that she is in the public eye gives it a different treatment. It is important to realize that before someone is actually convicted - or acquitted of a DV crime, they en…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/20 10:45 AM
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Courts create a false equivalency between protective mothers and abusive fathers. Certainly there are exceptions, and it is possible you found one or two in your story, but overwhelmingly DV is a gendered crime. There is a long history of society allowing husbands to control, discipline and assault their wives. There is no equivalent tolerance of wives abusing husbands. Wives controlling their husbands is indeed not tolerated. It is accepted. This whole article seems to revolve around how good w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/20 06:12 AM
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It's part of the intersectional ideology that believes in categorizing the world into axes of privilege. I have never seen an intersectional feminist note female privileges on any of their axes of privilege. Maybe I just haven't looked well enough, but I haven't seen it. The best I have seen was the acknowledgement that some minority-men lack certain 'male privilege'. I think the concept that there are many different types of privileges, oppression and gender expectations is true. The dangerous …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/20 04:52 PM
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A couple of terms is a poor choices. Many terms makes a pattern, and if at the same time terms like manspreading, mantears, manpathy and more pop up I consider it systemic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/20 07:03 AM
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I'm not gay, so don't have personal experience, but culturally there is this weird idea that gay men are (often) effeminate. And vice versa, men who don't fit the "strong manly man with deep voice" image are said to be gay and girly - with the consideration that this is a bad thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/20 10:42 PM
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I don't think you're necessarily wrong. At least one black researcher has found that race has no effect on the likelihood of police to use violent force, though he did find that: Was this the one where they found something like if there is a police encounter, the chances of violence are the same, but black people have more police encounters because of racial profiling and other types of racism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/20 06:17 PM
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I think a problem with twoX is not just that women can't hear what men don't say. It is also "women don't hear if they don't listen". There is a mob mentality popping up there every now and then. Someone tells a story of how they were beaten by their ex-boyfriend, and then people in the comments go "#AllMen" and the likes, to which the mods respond "Well yes it is natural if people want to vent in this context". I don't blame feminism as such. I do blame feminism. Feminists have no problem to st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/20 09:01 AM
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Are those numbers swapped? Because per capita black men are killed more than twice as often as white men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 10:11 PM
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There were numerous responses arguing it was not, or only slightly related to race. It's a discussion, people exchange idea's. Yes, I see people wondered "well isn't it more X than a race matter", and that guy also stated "yes racism is an issue in the USA". If that is what you call "white supremacy", sure man. I haven't seen anyone claim/think they are better/worse than others by virtue of their skin colour, but if I see those I'll tell them they are idiots. ​ If there weren't racial motives be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 10:05 PM
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Support for and against abortion is split 50/50 gender wise. Yeah, but somehow a lot of feminists argue that the women who are against abortion have been brainwashed and do not count. Now that might be correct, but in that case I do not see how the same logic does not apply to men, especially since I would guess it is easier to convince men because they are less physically involved. In the end blaming men more than women takes agency from women, and attributes extra agency to men...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 09:50 PM
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Someone even posted a ridiculously ignorant post this week that police brutality is not actually a race issue. Are you referring to the post where every response with more than 1 upvote said that it's not just gender but that race is an important factor to the fact that it is black men who get killed by police? Unless you think that "yes it's race, class and gender" doesn't acknowledge race we have read a different thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 06:05 PM
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Absolutely, it's just refreshing to see people say that women can do anything politically, instead of essentially saying that men control everything and are to blame for everything.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 07:05 AM
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I doubt they question the fact that feminists typically ignore any agency and role of women in raising children. But your post is more of an 'I need to vent my frustrations' and less of a "let's have this discussion and not let ourselves be driven by our frustrations". The first part is something you have to do every now and then for your mental health. But acknowledging that it's a vent is not the same as questioning the message. Now as to convincing feminists: if you do it by venting they are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 06:51 AM
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53% of white women voted for Trump. This might be an acknowledgement of that, which is better than all the "patriarchy and men did it" that is usually done. A lot of the abortion discourse is also usually hockum like "men want to control women's bodies", while support for pro-life is not gender dependent. Heck there was a female governor who pushed through some hefty pro-life legislation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/20 06:41 AM
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Nah, it's more of an outrage thing about something that happened half a year ago: Kristen Michelle Rimes filed a police report on November 26, 2019, with the City Of Columbia Police Department, claiming that she was attacked by a black man wearing a hoodie in a Walmart parking lot. A recent case would that Karen who called the police on an "African American man" who told her to leash her dog a couple of days ago. But from the article posted: The police investigated and realized that she was not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 08:05 PM
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Girls are said to be more mature faster in the social aspect. However there seems to be a stark disconnect in how society treats boys when they do something wrong. 17 Year old boys who did a crime - or were victim of a crime will be reported and treated as young men, while if it were 17 year old girls they will be treated more as girls instead of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 07:57 PM
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Hmm, that's true, the police has an organisational structure and actually hires (and fires) people. "Feminism" for that part does not really have that. I guess the thing that comes closest is people who work in fields like Feminist studies, gender sciences and other academics, but it's slightly different as they aren't necessarily hired to be a feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 07:56 AM
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I'm kind of wondering how this same argument works for Feminism and it's hatemongers like Clementine Ford/TERFs/radical feminists, or for the other part hatemongerers among MRA. I always feel like feminists claim "not all feminists" for the first one, while paddling "everyone who is for men's rights and not a feminist is a hatemongerer".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/20 06:25 AM
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Well, if Americans don't even know standard political terms such as "political left" and "political right" that apply universally in English, but butcher them with some weird American interpretation, someone has to educate them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 09:22 PM
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It's also black men who are getting killed by the police in the USA, not black women. According to the Washington Post database (for just 2019!), at least 1004 people were shot and killed by police in the USA. Of those 1004 people shot and killed, 961 were men, 43 were women. If you look at race, there were 235 black people killed, 6 of which where women, the rest were men. The same thing occurs for white people: 370 people shot and killed, 25 of which were women. Now according to wikipedia abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 09:07 PM
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What if we can change their minds? Yes, but I think for that we need some boundaries and stick to them. The difficulty is in setting the boundary between people who are trying to argue in good faith, and people who are just here to shitpost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 08:46 PM
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I cannot retrieve the full message, I should have saved it before quoting it, that's my fault. How I read the comment was "no leftist is critical of feminism" and not "there are not enough and there should be more". Which gave more of a "you all should not be leftists, because leftism doesn't allow criticizing feminists" and less of a "I'm a leftist and it's sad that critique where feminism fails to be egalitarian is not more common".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 06:56 PM
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If I was an SJW style person, I'd be calling you nasty things right now, but I choose civility. What you just said is tantamount to pissing on the graves of the innocent enslaved men who saved the world from Nazism. You forgot to remove "What you just said is tantamount to pissing on the graves of the innocent enslaved men who saved the world from Nazism.". Most people I know don't consider it nasty and not civil to say that someone is "tantamount to pissing on the graves of the innocent enslave…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 06:37 PM
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Since you are the intellectual heavyweight, and I'm just a lazy person, I'm going to let you name the logical fallacy that I wrongly think it is. If you claim that sexism is in some way better than racism you are part of the cancer that's breaking society. That's a straw man "claim that sexism is in some way better" combined with another one for the "you are part of the cancer that's breaking society. I hope you learn to apply logic some day if you fail to grasp this absolute fact. I guess it's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 06:30 PM
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Is this supposed to be some kind of clever joke based on extreme SJWs who argue that if you disagree with them you are literally Hitler? All the logical fallacies make it sound like satire.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 05:39 PM
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Considering the kind of stuff that keeps popping up lately I'd rather see some bans fall than to devolve in a crosspost channel of MensRights. People who crosspost here and say shit like: "And you will struggle to find anyone on the left critical of feminism.. after all feminsm, marxism, SJWS, is all leftist". This sub is literally called LeftWingMaleAdvocates, and has as a rule: We welcome and indeed encourage criticism of feminist ideology, wherever feminism fails to be egalitarian and/or fail…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 05:29 PM
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Democrats are not above this, and it takes an exceptional level of delusion to believe the Democrats now, don't act like slaveowners in the 1860s. Want proof? Just examine how they treat black Republicans. I'm going to quote this just as a reminder that you claim current Democrats behave like slave owners in the 1860s. ​ Surely if the Democrat party was as progressive as most idiots would lead you to believe You need to stop listening to idiots, and start listen to reasonable people. I personall…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 02:44 PM
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This sounds like Fox News level delusion, and that is absolutely not a compliment. Your argument is literally "Look, people from this party in 1945 voted to do this or that, so the party is bad". I guess if you cannot criticise a party for its politics you just have to come up with things done by politicians who are mostly dead. My whole point is that politics and political views change, that is a good thing, you have to keep up with the times, not be stale in your conservative views "because th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 02:23 PM
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I literally had to explain to a an American today that Left/Right wing has nothing to do with historical Democratic politics. The guy was claiming that "the idea that people of different ethnicities, sexes, etc should receive equal treatment by the law" is not left wing ideology, then linked some podcast that seems to talk about how the democratic party supported slavery at its inception (somewhere around 1840).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 12:40 PM
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men get killed at more than double the rate Incorrect if you refer the the USA. It is actually four times over there. Except by intimate partners. The people who are killed by an intimate partner, are much more often women (about 2.5 times the homicide victimization rate according to this report). So yes, intimate partner violence is a larger problem for women, but getting killed is not. Now back to the victimization of men, this is in a large part because men are more involved with crime. Which…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 12:35 PM
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But world politics may have changed a bit since the 1790 French Parliament ruled the world. So do I, as a European, have to explain to you that the democratic party has shifted its focus since it's inception and that while it was pro small government and slavery) in it's early years, that is not what defines it now? Even I know that, and that's politics from a different continent. It's not the foundational principles of Left and Right that have changed, but the orientation of the political parti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 12:05 PM
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Error code 16 This request was blocked by the security rules But the link seems to imply some of the standard American rhetoric of "Democrats were the racists" which has nothing to do with left and right wing politics. Left or right is not defined by "republican party" and "democratic party". If you want to give a historical argument, then we are actually going to use a historical argument, which I'm going to lazily copy off wikipedia: The political terms ’Left’ and ’Right’ were first used durin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 11:40 AM
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Because women, including feminists, realise that they can use sex to control men. Porn and sex toys for men takes that power away from them so they are opposed to it. It's as simple as that. This seems to be the FDS approach to this. They seem to consider sex as a transaction, and if other women 'give it away for free' they cannot use it as effectively to control men. Not sure if FDS identifies as feminists, maybe radical feminists?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 09:10 AM
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mate, rape survivors will tell you this isn't true and that their rapists were actively defended by the community Yes, and there are even political movements which have subgroups that defend rapists or try to change the definition of rape such that it only applies to one sex. "They got a physical response so they consented" is also a pretty popular among rape apologists. Hell, rape is even played for laughs in popular tv and children shows. Well, for that last one if incarcerated men are victims…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 09:03 AM
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I saw extremely few (if any) rich white women defending Central Park Karen. Where did you actually see this claim being made? I might be too obtuse to realize where the claim is made, but you seem to be claiming a bold statement was made that I fail to find.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 08:54 AM
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Yeah, the actual report this image is taken from would be enlightening. Without the option to look at the context it feels too much like the default approach of "just out something in the abstract that fulfills the premise we want and put the nuances in the actual report that nobody reads". That's how you end up with headlines that day "men make more" and somewhere in the report it says "men still have the societal expectation put on them to be the provider".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/20 05:50 PM
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This is just one of the common tactics that feminists have to use because they live in a one dimensional world. If your model of the world relies on an oppressor class and an oppressed class, it is impossible to accept that some (or all) oppressors face problems - or worse, even problems that the oppressed class is directly responsible for, or takes an active part in. In their minds, if someone says "Circumcision is mutilation and should also be fought against", they twist these words around and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/20 10:11 AM
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Sorry but this post feels like a bunch of fearmongering. A presumption of innocence in the USA is thought to follow from the constitution (not literally defined in there though interestingly). While I'm not a big fan for Biden, I don't expect him to turn the courts in even more of a circus than it has already turned into. Kangaroo court in universities is something that is entirely different than kangaroo court in actual court. ​ Because he will have an obedient Congress, he will be able to impo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/20 10:18 AM
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Men talk about this stuff all the time and women casually dismiss it. "I get send unwanted dickpicks and guy send me shitty responses." There is a lot of I got it worse so your problems don't matter happening, and it is promoted by a lot of the popular feminist channels. It's essentially the same as domestic abuse of men ("Yes, but women are getting murdered" with the silent implication so what happens to men is less bad and therefore doesn't matter). It's one big outrage train of who has it wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/20 09:46 AM
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I like Rutger Bregman (rcbregman, he is "the Davos guy"), he celebrates people, humanity, and as far as I have read he does not subscribe to identity politics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 02:38 PM
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That link is broken. This one does work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 10:18 AM
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It seems she was even playing Tinder on easy. The dude looked great, she had 75+ likes on that profile. Most people I know get maybe 1 or 2 matches a day? I mean, on the flip side I've seen some of the ridiculous messages that women get on Tinder, but for the average man it's a grind that destroys your self worth and your mental state.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/20 10:15 AM
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These are feminists who live in the magical world where all women hate violence or are too frail for it and don't do things out of pettyness or anger. I guess the best recent example against this is mentioning Margaret Thatcher. She was the first female PM of the UK and straight up ordered the sinking of the Belgrano ship by a British attack submarine (this was also the first nuclear submarine that fired at a ship in anger, 323 people died). Well and she responded pretty heavily against the Arge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/20 07:46 AM
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I'm not sure what definition of "Leftist" you are operating on, but these principles have been historically considered to be progressive and in that sense "leftist". Unless your definition of Leftist=SJW, but that's a Fox News type of classification that I vehemently reject.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 03:16 PM
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As I stated: This means that men are the under-represented group, and that would lead me to conclude that if equal representation is actually the goal, we would need more scholarships to entice men to go and study instead of the other way around. Fields with a female majority of students are ignored in most measures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 02:41 PM
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If you read my reply you would notice that I think it is unfair and a travesty that both there are no scholarships for men in fields where they are under-represented and for academia as a whole. One of the biggest reasons I think having few women in STEM is an issue, is because it is how society treats people in STEM and as such pushes women out of the field. Painted with a large brush they are seen in a negative way as somewhere between nerds and a bunch of anti-social autistic people. I've tal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 12:04 PM
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As a subnote, does anyone know where I can find the full list of all 319 schools with the number of scholarships? I'd like to check a couple of institutes, and wonder if Furman university among others is on the list.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 11:03 AM
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The structure of this post made me sigh and think "another low effort post, with one of those statistics I have seen very often already". However, these are actually numbers I had not seen collected together before, which is why it peeked my interest. Still looks like a low effort, though so lets at least put some thought behind it. What I would like to know, is in what fields these scholarships are. It is well known that women are under-represented in STEM, and men are under-represented in fiel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 10:59 AM
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I don't have a problem with acknowledgement of a racial dimension. It exists and should be acknowledged. The problem is that some people see oppression everywhere, until it's a white man with problems and then the book switches to "patriarchy", "fragile masculinity", "privileged", "women have it worse", "men should just solve the problems themselves", "men cannot ask women to help them" etcetera. Same applies essentially to non-white men, but then they at least get some sympathy for their race. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 10:24 AM
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Ideological straitjackets are idiotic. Agree. Things are not black and white, while some points are good, other points are bad. Leftists are anti civil rights, which is why I won't support them and why no one should. Are you sure you are supposed to be posting in a sub that says "Left" if you believe in what sounds like Fox news level ideas? What 'civil rights' are 'Leftists' against?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/20 10:18 AM
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kangaroo courts I'm kind of worried about the kangaroo court that the administration seems to run in the white house. Or the fact that a significant fraction of the staff has ended up on the wrong side of the bench in court. Or the fact that he introduced massive tax cuts for rich people. But, luckily for me the choice of whom to vote for is easy - I'm not a US citizen. For all of ya Americans, good luck on choosing between a Douche and a Turd. As a subnote on the article, I think that any discu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 07:16 PM
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Of course it is more or less conservative, I'm not sure how much it is actually. Doesn't it only imply that in order to take down an old (social) structure, you first have to understand why that structure is there? I think for progressive politics that is also very important to understand, because if you break down one oppressive structure, you might miss a different underlying process. Or, if an organisational structure is non-inclusive then you first need to understand it in order to replace i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 07:06 PM
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You say this more elegantly than I could. Take that updoot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 09:12 AM
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Yes, and that is why you have to preface every discussion with things that 'they' actually do understand. You first have to place yourself in their mind-category "deserves care" or less cynically "has understanding of oppression of women". Leading with some of the problems women face makes people take you more seriously because otherwide they'll just write you off as "another MRA who thinks women are the worst and have aaalll the privileges". In the end it's the same position you will always hav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 06:51 AM
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There are ironically a lot of similarities between feminist "we are helping girls" and conservatives/chivalry where men have to sacrifice themselves for women. I blame it on the fact that these feminists don't interact with or listen to men, and that there are almost zero men in the academic field. Even though it's the feminists who push very hard for women in STEM, those also seem to think that men in Feminist fields is not needed because of their professionalism that makes them "understand men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 06:22 AM
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Yep, if the average person thinks that everything is great for men, you first have to convince them that there might actually be problems that men face.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/20 06:09 AM
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I think it is very progressive (or I guess what you would call leftist) to argue that someone else is not actually progressive. So in that sense I guess you are progressive... Now as of "transgender ideology", I'm not sure what you mean with that. I'm going to preface this with that I haven't looked deeply into what people consider trans. Personally my approach is essentially that I do not care if people decide to call themselves a man or a woman, I see no impact on me so why should I care what …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 06:12 PM
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I'm looking forward to the day that it is vogue again for the left to consider equal attendance of university normal. If I see at the push for getting women into STEM, which goes as far as starting to only hire female staff, I really wonder why the same people think it's not a problem if almost 60% of university students are women. Social fields like psychology can hit 80% women. I have yet to see the first event specifically marketed at attracting men to these fields - contrary to all the women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 05:56 PM
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Interestingly, intersectional feminism was sold to me as the type of feminism that acknowledges that there are different avenues of privilege and oppression, and that it is not a one dimensional model. If you then muddle in the MensLib interpretation of intersectional feminism it's falls to often to something like "women always most oppressed on the 1D-scale" or "men have so many privileges that they are always more privileged than women". The reason I hate these 'oh god look at how common misan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 01:07 PM
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Though a man maturely expressing his feelings and concerns is not the problem, rather they are criticizing how some men's inability to communicate their feelings creates more work. What I would consider a feminist-approach to this (if genders were swapped) would be that this is because of how society is failing in learning men how to deal with their emotions, and how women react to men expressing them. I have seen many men complain about the fact that when they expressed their emotions, their wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/20 11:05 AM
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So they make a point that might be valid - in developing countries after a crisis it is the girls who drop out. Might very well be true. The talk about the case in Australia is needlessly gendered though, unless they imply that boys don't have social networks. In that case I guess it would be women who are falling victim to their own success. But (in this form) this post doesn't belong here. It's posted without any discussion starter, it has a terrible title that has emojis, and for some reason …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/20 08:18 PM
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That's an overly broad statement that is defied by the experience of men who have been raped and then told they weren't. Actual victimisation is not unique to a gender. Rape and sexual assault is happening to both men and women, and if research is to be believed at similar annual rates.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 10:08 PM
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Isn't that still sexist though? Still feeds into the whole "women are victims" and it ignores the victims that are even less likely to be believed...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 10:03 PM
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It's now once again legal and achievable for a college to badger or frustrate a victim into giving up. Didn't that entirely depend on the person who was handling the complaints? If said person systematically ignores male victims, or female victims by focussing on one side of the complaints it also allows colleges to badger and frustrate victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/20 03:17 AM
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Until I see what these reforms actually are I am going to be cynical. The Trump administration might not subscribe to the ID-politics approach of "all men are abusers so believe all women", but they are likely to subscribe to the tradcon approach of "women need to be protected from male abusers". As an added bonus I would like to note that to my knowledge title IX is supposed to be gender neutral, but from what I have been reading it is essentially implemented by universities as "BelieveAllWomen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 07:48 PM
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Oh, I must have missed it, I didn't look too well for it, sorry for that. I'm still going to leave it up because it's such a damn good story - your story to how eye opening it was is enough positivity for that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 07:33 AM
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So I just went back again at the head mods declaration, and reading that thread is pretty funny. Cicceros states that having sex is consenting to the risk of parenthood, and women should have an out because of bodily autonomy. There is some arguing and he essentially gets voted down while the people explaining it's not just about that get the upvotes. He is getting destroyed there, it's hilarious. I understand why it's absolutely banned, and why it is done in such a hushed up way. Link.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 07:25 AM
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From what I read Biden does have the presumption of innocence for himself already. It's very telling to see people do an 180 because "one of ours" is accused, and "BelieveWomen" suddenly is "take accusers seriously and listen to their story".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 06:36 AM
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The Netherlands has started including women in the conscription this year. Ofcourse it's a bit of an empty gesture too because we don't have an active conscription, but the point remains.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/20 06:31 AM
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No we can't. The thing is that skin colour or whatever adult you fancy should not be the prime thing that determines us. Character and morals are independent of that and are more important, ID politics to me seems to think the reverse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 10:06 PM
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Leftwingmensrights believes all women oppressions are feminist propaganda and history is a conspiracy theory Oh lordy. Now that's something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 10:00 PM
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Oh sure, it's not that different people don't have different problems, but I think that poor black and white people have more in common with each other than with the 0.1%. I'm not a big fan of memes in discussions like this, but because I find how the message can be interpreted peak irony, I'm going to go to link an explanation by Tucker Carlson (oh and I don't want to look at the context he says it in, it's probably shit considering who is saying it).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 09:08 PM
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I think identity politics is destroying the left, because it detracts focus on whether people are poor or not, and more on whether they are in a special focus group that is considered to deserve/need uplifting, creating a ladder of oppression. Instead of uniting the left in what binds them, it divides between ethnicity, gender, religion etcetera. (Which is ironic to state in a sub that is specifically named "Male Advocates", I try to also get views and be open for other views.") It was probably …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 08:16 PM
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I actually just noticed that, yes. I'm glad they talk about it there, and unsure if I am surprised they do. I think a lot of them should realize this. I'm much less surprised to see one of the mods largely brush it off. ​ As a sub note: (it's worth noting that men-as-a-class are much more likely to vote for political parties that say "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, idiot") I'd say that is exactly what society tells men that they should do. If men get told that they should just solve their …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 05:37 PM
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I haven't yet figured out yet how to explain that to feminists, I think it is going to be very hard to get it across against the "men are the privileged" thoughts. Oh well, no worries with social distancing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 05:16 PM
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Sentencing should be explicitly gender neutral, while keeping in mind the circumstances of the person who committed the crime. So yes, it should be corrected. I'd also note that incarceration should never be a goal, but has an important place as a tool to protect society, and should be focused on rehabilitation and reintegration as much as possible. Massively locking up poor (mostly male) people for not paying fines does not protect society, but the revenue of privatized prisons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 04:10 PM
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I think many of you will have already seen this - it has been going around on twitter and was one of the best read articles on the Guardian, it is the story of six boys who are shipwrecked, and they bond together and survive by cooperation. I think this is a very nice story because it tells what actually happens, contrary to the story told in Lord of the Flies, which is fictional but paints a much harder field. As of the relevance of Rutger Bregman to this sub. He is definitely a Left Wing perso…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 04:02 PM
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Good rule of thumb: if it would help men you can't discuss it. I disagree, that is disingenuous to say about them. It's more like "if it would help men, but might hurt/contradict the position of our idea of feminism in any way, you can't discuss it".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:33 PM
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Ok, apparently it is mentioned at the bottom of their rules as a moratorium. I probably glanced over that. Good to know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:30 PM
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One of the largest problems I see that men face is that they are seen as perpetual perpetrators. Men are always seen as in control of their actions and perpetrators, while women are easily seen as frail or victims. This whole mindset is how men from poor backgrounds with nowhere to go get locked up after they are driven to crime and then demonised and laughed at. The school-to-prison pipeline in the USA speaks volumes for this. Or the cry by some in the UK to stop sentencing women to jail, even …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:28 PM
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Under what part of the side bar does it fall? Because the only way I figured out they ban it was after I saw a locked/deleted post/message where one of the mods referred to some old topic from their inception. I always found the fact that they put that rule so far hidden quite typical to them, but if that is not the case I shall revise my opinion on them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:21 PM
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legal paternal surrender This is a known taboo subject on that particular place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 03:15 PM
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Alright, as a quick blanket statement without looking well at the details I think none of the points above are going to help you in any way there. Those people are firmly entrenched in the conviction that feminism is for equality, and likely don't realize that there are problems that men face too. I don't have time to search for something more helpful right now, but I remember there was a discussion a bit ago of "how do you convince people that feminism is not for equality" or something in that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 12:53 PM
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I cannot point you to sources, yet I can still help you. The first point is to structure your post better. Typically a story starts with an introduction, that makes clear what it is about, then there is the main subject, and then there might be a conclusion. Your post seems to be missing the introduction that defines the subject, so I have no idea why you are posting this here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 12:11 PM
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Ah, yes. I am not in a position to argue that well about the position of women through the times. My main knowledge about it was from attending a talk by a historian who researched it. That was mostly about the situation of women in 1600-ish. From what I remember it was more nuanced than some feminists claim - marriage age was about 27 male / 26 female pretty consistently, women could remain unmarried and be gainfully employed. These unmarried women didn't appear to be poorer than the married fa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 08:38 AM
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Please elaborate, because I do not understand your question. Where are you arguing the last 2000 years of history, and how is it relevant?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 08:19 AM
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This is just Afghanistan I'm pretty sure most people who comment on this sub do it from a western point of view and situation unless specified. While the situation in a lot of these countries is tragic, I do not see how it is relevant for the western world?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 08:12 AM
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Oh I consider paid medical leave a right for all. Edit: as some context, where I am from it is considered normal that you stay home if you are sick, and still get paid, I'm not from the USA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 07:39 AM
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There is a lot of discussion to be had about this, but I think the easiest thing is to point out that it is much easier to physically recuperate with a helping partner than with a working partner. As for the fathers the current regime robs them of the emotional connection with their child and firmly places them in the "you provide the money, and the mother provides the love".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 07:34 AM
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Why not focus on men’s issues instead of how privileged women supposedly are. I agree it is more important to discuss men's issues, but some issues are due to women's privileges, just as some women's issues are due to men's privileges. If one doesn't share these male privileges, while it's easy to notice women's privileges then I guess that leads to talking a lot about it. I'd like to emphasize that I don't believe that being a man does not bring privileges, but I believe being a woman brings th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 07:30 AM
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Eh, there has been a recent influx of people who just post these "who has it worst" things. I am not a fan of these "meme" posts, or with the who had it worst. I think it is partially a reaction to common feminist tropes that seem to state "men have it great in life, and no problems, therefore we don't need to put any resources to their improvement, because women in a different continent get treated like X". They are also very popular on all these twoXX boards and what not, usually accompanied w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/20 07:18 AM
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I personally don't believe that a UBI would be currently implementable without enormous changes to our economical system, and I don't really like the concept that much. But a good social safety net is very important and currently possible. Note that this would also be needed with a UBI, because many (well, actually it is relatively just a few) people need more money to survive, for example people like Richard Dawkins.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 10:21 PM
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Who do you figure should pay that, and how is being able to spend the household money not getting paid? The main difference to me seems that there is not a second run of taxation that would happen if you suggest the non domestic labourer essentially employs the other one. And then we also have to start assigning a salary to mowing the grass, painting the house, repairing the car etcetera.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 09:41 PM
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I like this approach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 08:09 PM
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I've actually been to a talk about this, and from what I remember it was pretty much standard that everyone worked, at least in the lower classes - if we go back like 200+ years or so. Apparently those little girl' hands worked just as well (until they got chopped off...) in the weaving mills as the little boys hands sweeping in the chimneys. And women's hands also worked a lot in those weaving mills... Then again, if we go to the ideal 1960s (?) model, I guess yes, then it was more like "women …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 07:52 PM
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No, the working spouse receives a salary, and this is then spend on the family unit instead of on only the working spouse. But even considering that point, your premise is incorrect. Apparently married men get paid more on average than single men. If I interpret the graph correctly they vastly out earn any other group, and single men make approximately as much as single or married women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 07:44 PM
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Yes, this is a big problem with the old school model, where men are expected to work towards a heart attack to fund the family, and women can get left without sufficient income after a divorce. The solution for me is that both men and women work equal times without working themselves to death. But in order to achieve this we have to get around the societal standard that men are supposed to take (financial) care of women, even to their own detriment. Or how populist feminists would word it - if t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 02:12 PM
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It's a bit unclear to me what you are getting at, but after a divorce there is alimony, where the person who had a higher income pays the other one. Also typically financial assets are split, and not based on how much income each partner had.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/20 11:34 AM
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Yes that is exactly how the GDP works, as I stated. You seemed to claim that if it was mowing the gras instead of taking care of children it would be different, with the implication this was a choice made because work by men is valued more than women. That is an incorrect claim to my knowledge.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 09:55 PM
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Your link is behind a paywall and the part I can read does not actually contradict my claim? If you hire a nanny to take care of your children that is included in the GDP, unless you try to defraud the tax agency?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 09:45 PM
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Hasn't it been practice in the upper class to outsource any and all of the work that women do? Even breastfeeding used to be outsourced. I have never seen any GDP estimate that includes people working in their own backyard, that is part of the informal economy just like tasks like cleaning and cooking in the house. If you actually do outsource it, it becomes part of the GDP. GDP counts things that people pay for, no more and no less. Trying to include people cleaning their home or doing work in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 09:36 PM
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I don't agree with using the feminist label because you're just perpetuating the myth that "feminism is just about gender equality", albeit at a small scale. That is why you just honestly tell you would identify as a feminist if it it is about gender equality for all, however due to a set of reasons you cannot identify as such. For example: I identify as someone who is for equal rights for men and women, but due to being a man I have a better insight in the unique problems that men face in socie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 04:04 PM
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I think it is important to acknowledge there is work that the homemakers of people living together perform. However calling it "unpaid" is unfair in the classical family model. If we assume a family of 2 parents then in the classical family model one of them is working in a money making job, and the other one performs the homemaking. Most money is spend by/on the family unit, not by and exclusively for the one with a paid job. The homemaker might not get an hourly wage (who should pay them exact…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/20 03:48 PM
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I remember there was a man who posted here (or in MensLib and was surprisingly allowed) who documented his problems with article IX. Apparently he had complained about behaviour by a woman, who somehow managed to turn the scales and it ended up with him the accused and her getting support by the university. As the pesimist I am, I don't think this that uncommon, because big part of US society seems to think that article IX exists to only protect women against sexual misconduct instead of all stu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 05:34 PM
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The biggest problem I have with feminism is the inherent sexist assumption that men are fully responsible for what they do, and women are not. Male problems are too often seen as their own fault or something they should fix themselves, while similar problems occuring to women are correctly seen as a societal injustice to women. Part of this seems to be because "if I admit other people have it bad too, my problems might seem less important". Ultimately ignoring people of others, be it women's pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/20 01:37 PM
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Requiring people to write a couple of paragraphs on why they link to a certain article or why they crosspost, or some thoughts on the subjects would actually require people to talk. I consider that more of free speech then just spamming crosspost and ignoring any discussion. If people cannot say why they post something here, and talk about how it fits the goals of the sub I do not see how that speech is relevant to the sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 03:27 PM
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I remember this sub as interesting and not mentally tiring. Now it is getting flooded by rage bait and things that honestly make me think of just unsubbing because it is too mentally draining. We might just have to talk to the person itself, I hoped they might just stumble upon this thread and read it, but it is very possible they just spam this sub with posts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 10:59 AM
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I don't really think karma changes anything to ones Reddit experience? To my knowledge it doesn't give you more upvotes or posting ability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/20 10:50 AM
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The video I looked through was about a man who talks about getting raped in prison and about how fucked up society is that we joke about men getting raped in prison. I would say it is about the fact that society has realized that it is unacceptable to make these jokes about women, but somehow can't wrap its head around how it is unacceptable for men. How is that about oppressing women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 01:30 PM
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I take issue with the title of this post. What are you trying to imply, and what is your point with it? I also disagree with the idea that the "moneyed elite only care about this". They hardly seem to care, men are still locked up in large numbers. The chance for a young black man in the USA to go to prison in their life is about 30%. And in the dynamic that drives that, the fact that they are men plays a huge role - all the negative stereotypes of men combined with the other racial factors seen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/20 01:23 PM
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It's a typical feminist response that women who are killed in domestic situations is a problem of society, because this happens because they are women (and I agree this is a problem, let's be clear on that). However, the fact that droves of men get murdered, because of societal expectations of men, and societal pressure it somehow is not a societal problem. It gets excused with things like "it is men who kill men", or "they put themselves into that situation" - the men get extra agency, as if th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 11:41 AM
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They accept and recognise exceptions. That is why LGBTQ+ men are sort of accepted, but it seems that for some feminists, in order to accept them, they have to be placed outside of the realm of "heterosexual cisgender men". They think an average heterosexual cisgender man has more in common with Donald Trump than with their neighbors who are two other average guys who are married. Birth properties become more important than things one can change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 10:40 AM
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Intersectional feminists operate on the assumption that men are a privileged group. It seems to be more of a system to explain to them why some men are disadvantaged in society. Instead of blaming it on their gender, they can blame it on other factors that also influence it. E.g. black mens problems are not explained by the fact that they are men and black, but just because they are black. The whole system works terribly because a lot of feminists simply refuse to accept that men have a unique s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/20 06:21 AM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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