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Anti-MRMAlternative-Cloud414/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:38 PM
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"Socialists typically oppose capitalism because their economic system fails in the face of capitalist efficiency," literally one of the most laughable things ive ever heard. capitalism is a terrible economic model. ex: Africa " Kulaks. They were low class peasant farmers," also this is a lie, a kulak first of all was someone who was apart of the old land owning elite before the ussr. and then afterwards tried to resist collectivized farming so they could keep a profit. they were basically the eq…
/r/MensRights16/06/24 02:31 PM
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you keep giving me what marxist feminism is but thats not my argument. my arguement is that marxist feminism is rare and blaming it for the daily struggles of men isnt correct. and my second claim is that WLM is not marxist. everything outside the scope of this isnt necessary for this disscussion. I will finally make a last arguement though, that marxist feminism is oxymoronic since under marxism the primary contradiction is class not sex.
/r/MensRights15/06/24 08:06 PM
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"t. You must know there is a very different ideology between the people that believed Hitler and Hitler’s himself right?" Did I not say this? the "national socialism" bit was just to attract some fringe leftist workers early in the partys history. national and socialism are oxymoronic because the primary contradiction in socialism is class and nation doesnt mean anything.
/r/MensRights15/06/24 08:03 PM
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thats another difference socialism isnt occupied with nation just class. there isnt a us vs them mentality in socialism outside of class
/r/MensRights15/06/24 08:01 PM
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" the victor writes history" narrative doesnt work here. socialism and communism have hard line definitions. The Nazis were Explicitly anti communist the entire time. there were the obvious pruges of communists and socialists the day the nazis took power and then there were the anti-slavic beliefs held by the party towards "communist slavs" and finally the cultural bolshivism/cultural marxism narrative is that communism/socialism is a jewish conspiracy to undermine western culture. finally hitle…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:30 PM
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"This claim was never made; this is a straw man." this claim is your entire point. if you want to draw correlations between marxist feminists and WLM you have to show how they want to regulate capitalism and are actually marxist as well. otherwise why bring them up in this? "I'm not conflating anything. I made clear in my last post that Marxist Feminist's point to economic oppression, Radical Feminist'spoint to patriarchal oppression, and the two combine to form Socialist Feminism. I never even …
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:21 PM
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"Well we don’t call the US a plutocracy, we call it what almost people think it is - a democracy. The nazis believed they were socialists and much of Hitler’s early rhetoric featured a twisted version of socialism. That means they were socialists" most people dont think this though, most people get nazi germany right that they were a nationalist/fascistic regime. only people who want to spread misinfo call them anything else. Ive never heard anyone say that the nazis were socialist without tryin…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:13 PM
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the number one is that they arent looking at the same thing. socialism looks at class as the primary contradiction while nationalism looks at race/ethnicity as the primary contradiction. all nationalist nations tend to be very capitalist, privatizing industries and illegalizing trade unions. https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/nazi-persecution/political-opponents-and-trade-unionists/ https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA238644484&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkacce…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 10:03 PM
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okay yeah this is defo a right wing psyop. the nazis never passed any socialist regulations in fact they privatized huge sections of the economy, outlawed trade unions and finally the first group they came for were communists and socialists. 3 million german citizens died in nazi germany for being a suspected cumminist/socialist.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:56 PM
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good point
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:52 PM
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|That's the long March.| thats not what the long march is. the long march is the period from which communist militants transitioned from the south of china to the north under the leadership of mao ze dong. its completely unrealted to feminism. this reveals your biases on this considering that nothing you've said has made any sense in reality. your current feminists who are in power dont want to look at capitalism or c;lass distinctions they also look at gender as the primary contradiction and no…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:51 PM
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I didnt try and seperate terms or create a no scots mans fallacy i pointed out that most feminists are liberal feminists and that the weird amount of bot accounts saying marxist feminist rather than any other term is 100% a psyop
/r/MensRights08/06/24 09:44 PM
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Im unfortuantly a rape victim myself, that's why im a mra in the first place. I knew mine personally so I knew the factors behind what she did. torturing her wont undo what she did to me nor would it honestly even make me happy. what would make me happy is knowing she and others like her wont ever do it again. if you really dont want this stuff look at actual ways to stop it from happening in the first place than some weak post op justification of taking your anger out on the morally weak
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:58 PM
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I still disagree even in this hypothetical as the point of castration historically was to make sure it never happens again but now we have prisons. same reason I don't think thieves should get their hands cut off. and punishment creates a low trust society that breed more of the same behavior anyways. in reality you cant build a system that gets it correct every time and the reason we falsely imprison people now is because we think they are guilty until its obvious they aren't. You cant correct …
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:51 PM
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okay but how can you make sure that every single person youre mutilating is a child molestor/rapist? and further more do you really trust the american system to do it right and especcially more the state of lousiana to get this right? what happens when its a white woman falsely accusing a black man? 1/10 people on death row are innocent btw
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:42 PM
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it would be more accuratly a removal of the ovaries or a hysterectomy
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:40 PM
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you remove the overies. or in this case youd use chemicals to dissolve their overies
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:39 PM
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this is chemical castration it still effects the penis
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:38 PM
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this is louisana theyd just claim your a man
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:38 PM
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ooh so close thats one type of surgical castration. lousiana is doing chemical castration which basically will overtime make the body stop producing testostrone. it shrinks bioth the penish and balls and eventually makes them unsuable. it is not reversible
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:37 PM
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I get the emotional appeal but seriously you cant ever make 100% sure you didnt just convict a innocent person.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:36 PM
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well yeah my point isnt to defend feminism my point is that the weird conflation of marxism and feminism here lately is wrong
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:32 PM
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cultural marxism is literally just a rewrtite of cultural bolshivism im good on listening to nazis for anything that good for society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism the truth is virtually all feminists in america are some flavor of liberal or fascist and it bores out in what they talk and write about
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:21 PM
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Im seeing this more and more
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:18 PM
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marxist feminists are the least sexist in my expierence but they still have alot opf misandriust undertones on how men are supposedly the "oppressor" of women and that capitalism doesnt effect men in a unique way
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:18 PM
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how does the family unit help men at all?
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:17 PM
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literally never seen it before
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:15 PM
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put me corrected. i think most men here though have never met one as their exceptionally rare and defiently arent the majority of feminists so talking about m,arxist feminism as if liberal feminism is totally fine is just stupid
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:15 PM
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WLM doesnt want to control or regulate capitalism at all though. thats what makes them liberal feminists they just want women at the top not any disengagem,ent from capitalism youre conflating marxist feminists and liberal feminists. there hasnt been any regulations in any western countries that would regulate capitalism in favor of women at the detriment of men. instead virtually all feminists and all feminists in power want to rewrite the primary contradiction to be one of sex and rewrite our …
/r/MensRights08/06/24 08:13 PM
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Again Im a Marxist myself critical theory is mainly found on a control vs rent dicatomy not a oppressor vs oppressive dicatomy. this is why he also supports things like the dictatorship of the proletariat etc. Ive already read the wiki. Marxist feminism holds that women are uniquely hurt by capitalism. You then sent me quotes from a liberal feminist group WLM. they don't want to dismantle capitalism at all. they want to rewrite the gender dynamics to have a matriarchy. Simply put they want women…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 02:42 AM
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yeah but i saw another few today and got worried ig
/r/MensRights08/06/24 02:32 AM
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Some feminism is in fact perfectly liberal and modernist rather than postmodernist and illiberal. But is rather rare at the philosophical level nowadays.| I disagree on it being rare but i agree with everything else, its just really random to go on rants about "marxist feminism" when thats not whose in charge. most feminism is primarily liberal in nature and then extreme misandry leaks in through echo chambers and just a backing of historical cultural misandry (IE: all rapists are men)
/r/MensRights08/06/24 02:31 AM
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how so?
/r/MensRights08/06/24 02:27 AM
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I just dont know how that makes it marxist. intersectionality isnt exactly a feminist standpoint most dont even follow marxist principals or theyd admit that white women are the second most priviledged group according to their own standards
/r/MensRights08/06/24 12:31 AM
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what does this actually apply too?
/r/MensRights08/06/24 12:29 AM
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Im afraid this mind set is coming to the united states too. so many men now are obsessed with destroying their own rights to protect muh wamens and hurt those "evil men" and ofc misandrists are so ready to help that
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:51 PM
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ok?
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:48 PM
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its a fusion of marxism and feminism. the theory made sense when it was first created and there were notable economic differences between men and women and women were taking the shorter end of the stick. but today it doesnt make as much sense and is generally only followed by extremely fringe leftist groups. for the most part youre going to be dealing with liberal/neoliberal feminists. though I will say out of all of the groups marxist feminists are the least sexist and most open to mens issues …
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:47 PM
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bro is legit tweaking
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:43 PM
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perfectly said
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:42 PM
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if youre in the west marxism feminism is not effecting your life sorry but youve dealt with liberal feminism
/r/MensRights07/06/24 11:41 PM
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pregnancy is still pretty hard on women because of the way we go about it as a society.
/r/MensRights06/06/24 05:23 PM
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thats not what socialism means.. socialism is the practice of controlling corporations
/r/MensRights01/06/24 02:09 AM
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I guess if you wanna look at it that way. but how is Pfizer a corporation that makes money socialist?
/r/MensRights01/06/24 02:08 AM
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I read the whole thing, Im criticizing your idea that a draft is moot just because its not actively happening, nothing you said in the second paragraph changes that.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 09:22 PM
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"in a socialist system" how do you people even manage? you literally cant not bring up socialism for nine seconds. also socialism doesnt "reward failure" thats one of the most ahistorical claims ive ever heard.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 09:18 PM
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Also people tend to forget that women are already in the military we have the strongest military on earth
/r/MensRights31/05/24 09:17 PM
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"the draft is moot" another end of history guy huh? yeah because there will never be any draft ever again no matter what. also theres women already in combat roles they are fine
/r/MensRights31/05/24 09:16 PM
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a more accurate discription would be the removale of the uterus and vagina
/r/MensRights31/05/24 09:13 PM
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dont call me adorable you creep, and this also disproves nothing i said
/r/MensRights31/05/24 03:36 PM
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I didn't spam him....... I made one comment on why that term isn't a accurate term and is bad for the movement. Not only does it isolate Marxist men's rights activists like myself (which is 20% of mras btw) it also gives reactionary groups ways to shoot it down.
/r/MensRights28/05/24 10:04 PM
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Marxist feminism just isn't a term that makes any sense here and its pretty obviously a psyop. Unless you're in China or dealing with a very fringe feminist you'll only encounter a liberal feminist and all taking away of rights has been from liberal feminists. There are some critics of Marxist feminism I have some particularly under the USSR and PRC but this isn't what any European or Americans are dealing with. its this complete disregard for evidence, history and political understanding that g…
/r/MensRights27/05/24 05:25 AM
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or even more historically the ones actually fighting for marxism. historically anti marxist have been older men with families and women
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:58 PM
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marxism in the united nations makes no sense at all. the united nations has historically and is currently extremely anti marxist they condemn all marxist nations like cuba and laos all the time. instead the united nations is a neo liberal organization and is just point blank sexist
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:57 PM
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thatrs all we gotta do
/r/MensRights12/05/24 05:07 PM
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this isnt a very good explanation. theres not alot of geniune disagreement on policies by gender outside of sex related issues.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 08:04 PM
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I think we should be more welcoming to dudes like him considering he's an abuse victim. his heart is in the right place but his brain isn't
/r/MensRights08/05/24 07:49 PM
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this study isn't saying that "only mother" is single mother households its saying that only the mother abused her child regardless of if a father is in the house or not. please learn to read data
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:34 PM
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I suppose one is more derogatory as you're saying someone is a domestic abuser. but all of em are nasty
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:29 PM
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I've mostly heard them referred to as tank tops(probably from ww2). I'm from the southern us
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:28 PM
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there may actually also be an increase in sexual assault too. but it would be minor in comparison to just people paying attention more.
/r/MensRights07/05/24 03:46 AM
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youre contridicting your other comment here. if its not about the probability and instead about the worst they can do then why are you now saying its more probable that the man youre stuck with is a sexual predator? you're making no sense anymore I guess the sexism in your brain is clouding your judgment?
/r/MensRights07/05/24 03:27 AM
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you seem awfully mad that men don't like being compared to dangerous animals and then being told their worse. particularly when women do the same things youre thinking all the time. if you look in this sub there was a case of a boy being gang raped by his female classmates. yes youre part of the problem and yes youre a sexist
/r/MensRights07/05/24 03:25 AM
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right because men are so prviledged with our dependent voting "rights" and not being considered rape victims when groomed by adult women
/r/MensRights17/04/24 01:15 AM
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ITs just saying shit like this makes it harder for us to get anywhere in improving
/r/MensRights13/04/24 01:15 AM
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as a rape survivor please shut up. being falsely accused is much worse especcially if you were raped and then falsely accused
/r/MensRights12/04/24 02:27 AM
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as a rape victim please shut the fuck up
/r/MensRights12/04/24 02:27 AM
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yes poor and black household and especially male households are over policed I agree with you. but can you show me evidence that poor or black households are overwhelmingly headed by women? In fact theres evidence to show that fathers are more likely to experience police violence compared to any other group which could correlate with over policing
/r/MensRights06/04/24 02:02 AM
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single mothers make the same amount of money as married women do. its just that its counted as a single income household vs a multiple household income. there also isnt any evidence that single mothers are disproportionately policed for single fathers or married couples.
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:44 PM
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exactly the biological perspective fails tom understand human biology. we are cooperative not competitive
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:40 PM
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hi, I understand you were downvoted so ill give you a few ways for a good start (and a little boasting) this is a paper I wrote dealing with exactly this topic. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZQcJ2meWo36LrhkgKEwMT6ZN9NF3y7oXxFT8lUYFWns/edit?usp=sharing now other things include men cannot be considered rape victims in all countries except Iceland mens domestic violence shelters are often targeted for protests and violent threats men are given longer sentences for the same crime there is a ve…
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:39 PM
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its not really leftist its just feminist im a leftist im also a mra. infa ct mra is a leftist perspective
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:34 PM
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this isnt a good analysis the biological perspectice is pretty disproven by lacking a biological componet. for example if its tesostrone well theres no evidence. if its male brains than why dont we see trans men who have similar brains commiting more violence than cis women?. if its mens strength then why dont strong women commit more crime than weak women?
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:27 PM
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theres some other really importnat reasons aswell I wrote a paper on it if you want to look https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZQcJ2meWo36LrhkgKEwMT6ZN9NF3y7oXxFT8lUYFWns/edit?usp=sharing
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:25 PM
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I actually wrote a paper for my composition class for this exact problem, I recieved a 91/100. here is my paper in case you're curious. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZQcJ2meWo36LrhkgKEwMT6ZN9NF3y7oXxFT8lUYFWns/edit?usp=sharing
/r/MensRights04/04/24 08:23 PM
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the 38% marker for rape victims is also pretty low
/r/MensRights18/03/24 11:56 PM
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actually sexed rape laws were created and maintained by a woman named mary p koss. the closing of multiple mens shelters is also the result of women protesting and even commiting acts of terrorism against them
/r/MensRights18/03/24 11:35 PM
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the age expectancy gap mostly stems from working conditions. of the diseases men die from they tend to be work related. things like lung cancer or heart disease. this is also the reason that the age expectancy difference is not only closing in parallel to when osha was implemented but also widened during covid.
/r/MensRights18/03/24 11:09 PM
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most diseases associated with men are correlated to diseases from working. things like lung cancer or heart disease. thjats why the life expectancy gap has shrank some sense osha was implimented
/r/MensRights18/03/24 11:07 PM
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I geniuenly am starting to think that generalizing aginst a group should result in execution
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 04:53 PM
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they pretty directly avoid them. i cant remember the last time i saw them talking about female on male rape on that sub
/r/MensRights19/12/23 04:50 PM
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honestly as terrible as the left and more commonly feminists are towards men they are still leaps and bounds ahead of conservatives. for example leftists want to decriminalize weed. something that indirectly helps overwhelmingly men since men are disproportionately imprisoned for drug charges. another example is that only democrat states have laws to protect male rape victims. its a lesser of two evils for me ​ theres also just the economic policy part.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 07:30 PM
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economic outcomes than the men who commit crimes and overall commit less crimes. i must have missed this, where did it say that? nd I didn’t see anywhere where it said middle class women commit more crime than middle class men??? my last two links how women are affected worse by x, y, z in every single one of those papers. idk if you managed to read a paper wrong but that isnt what any of these papers talked about. they went over how poverty is linked to crime not how gender effects this ​ my fi…
/r/MensRights13/10/23 03:27 PM
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Honestly its probably the opposite. any time you here of a person wishing for the death penalty or castration or anything its a woman.
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:56 PM
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fuck off with that toxic bs
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:56 PM
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its probably just socialization, Iv'e never heard a good reason why nature would make a out group bias for men.
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:53 PM
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nah feminists and conservatives. look at r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:26 PM
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it got obliterated by basically every other greek state because it was so hyper misandrist that it couldnt properly defend itself. also contrary to popular belief those "super soldiers" they made were ass and terrible
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:25 PM
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https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf ​ https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence ​ ehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/322568-violence-is-a-symptom-of-poverty-not-a-cause/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304387821001218 ​ https://www.childinthecity.org/2018/11/02/study-links-childhood-poverty-to-violent-crime-and-self-harm/ ​ poverty doesnt just mean your family is poor it almost always means your community is poor too. poor people live with p…
/r/MensRights13/10/23 02:17 PM
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then why is violent crime commited overwhelmingly by the poor? and why are middle class and upper class men less likely to commit crime than their female counter parts?
/r/MensRights11/10/23 04:48 PM
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93% of violence commited by men in the united states is commited by men who live below poverty ​ only 47% of women who commit violent crime live below poverty. the real question is why are women so violent even with good standards of living
/r/MensRights10/10/23 04:59 PM
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how is this illogical. men are more violent thats just a fact. instead you can look at why they are more violent
/r/MensRights10/10/23 04:52 PM
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feminism and leftism arent even similar
/r/MensRights10/10/23 04:47 PM
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