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i was telling people how i was a victim of sexual violence from my older sister in my childhood. she was five years older than me and physically abused me in a number of ways, holding me down, choking me, tying me up in a pillow case and throwing me around or dragging me on carpet, banging my head on walls, etc all within the view of our parents. as a toddler she once fed me a cigarette. but most of all she would strike me in my testicles with any means available to her, daily, multiple times a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/25 06:31 PM
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the egalitarianism in this subreddit is in friction with this idea but i think men are more often contributors to culture. thats how i was raised anyways. pressured to create things and admire creatives that came before me. i hate the pursuit of money its surface level and i live with more abstract goals in mind
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/25 09:03 AM
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“ohhhh i finally get it. damn u right when u right. sorry ladies ill stop the raping now.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/25 02:03 PM
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correlation is not causation rapists don’t rape because they are men fixing the problem with men doesn’t fix the problem with rape ad hoc ergo propter hoc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/25 02:01 PM
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grasping at straws
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 06:23 PM
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its all about exclusion. they are taught to filter out the baddies because of the higher cost of commitment. men are taught the opposite, how can you change your perspective enough to include as many woman as you can in the available pool. but contraceptive practices kind of make this a mute point. i think the real danger here is that many women feel justified in totally excommunicating these excluded groups of men, and treat them as second class and like they are inherently corrupting to societ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/25 06:35 AM
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tendency for interpersonal victimhood tends to effect women considerably more often than men. they just identify with victims more often, even without being one themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/25 10:51 PM
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D.A.R.V.O.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 12:07 PM
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i do believe children are more important than adults in the scope of war and morality but women are not more important than men i have become increasingly peeved by this verbage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 06:38 PM
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we really need to get the anti circumcision movement up on its legs. it seems like the flagship cause of most mens rights activists. i think it might be our best chance of breaking into mainstream acceptance of male advocacy; it shows we have legitimate concerns anyways sorry you got ostracized i am very familiar with the feeling. i too feel like there isn’t a very obvious path forward; been at standstill for a while.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/25 06:35 AM
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ya that battle of the somme was a real rough one for all those mothers who never saw their sons again. now stop being cowards boys or we’ll tar and feather you. 16 is old enough to die.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 09:52 PM
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i just got a migraine from the irony
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/25 09:51 PM
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argument from ignorance
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 03:11 PM
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the only thing stopping an independent / unaffiliated from winning an election is people like you insisting that it is impossible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 02:47 PM
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the party system has almost nothing to do with the government at all, much less elections. there is not one word of legislation that dictates party affiliation or even a history of political occupation as a requisite for presidency. the party system and the primaries etc are 100% fabricated outside the boundaries of government and is essentially unnecessary. a non affiliated candidate requires no affiliation to campaign or win the presidency. neither party has acted on the will of the people. a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 01:41 PM
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boom exactly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/25 06:51 AM
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i feel similarly about people who ignorantly and vaingloriously wade into logical fallacies —that have already been stated no less than twice— out of hubris. you literally just described a false dichotomy. maybe read a book or something, pick up some rhetoric before you disseminate your nonsense in public forums. “thank you for arguing” is a good introduction to rhetoric.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 09:00 PM
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doesn’t mean it’s the best choice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 08:58 PM
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you mean imagine myself in someone else’s perspective????!??!!!!!??!?? how dare you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 06:15 AM
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the republicans are bad news. doesnt mean the democrats are the goodies, they have their own issues. the demonizing of a third option is absolutely elemental to the burning of rome we are all witnessing helplessly. fuck red team, for sure, but fuck blue team to. fuck them dead. fuck them twice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 06:08 AM
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well the democratic party is essentially the status quo. there are no “good billionaires”. they represent an oligarchy and are not especially democratic, and essentially have never been, even though they campaign on things like diversity and “bleeding heart” motives. people are abandoning them because there is a left wing grass roots movement in this country largely pioneered by bernie and aoc. they are the real democratic party and they have been kept under the thumb of the status quo. the crux…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 06:03 AM
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hmm well i think theres a nugget of truth in there but relatability and empathy arent mutually exclusive imo. perhaps its something to do with prospective threat? like you say they arent likely to be killed in war so the prospective threat doesn’t register. you dont have to experience abuse or criminality in order to empathize with it, even if the empathy is inaccurate, but the prospective threat might make one more likely to endorse empathy to that topic, based on this feeling of “that could’ve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 05:22 AM
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edgar allen poe did say something like the death of a beautiful woman is the most poetic topic in the world. you know i like watching war films and its always out of sympathy for the young men depicted in the films and the ghastly horrors they are forced to endure… i notice that war films are largely appreciated by men rather than woman. do you think it is out of a lack of empathy?? do they think the object of war films is to enjoy the carnage??
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 08:45 PM
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gendering criminality. what’s interesting to me is although feminism espouses egalitarianism they made large efforts to gender laws concerning domestic abuse and the like. its interesting beca they could have removed gender from legislation but instead they chose to protect women and vilify men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 08:40 PM
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instant karma
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 02:08 PM
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i mean theres a whole genre of tv shows that are basically about men from the female perspective, even more so for feminist centric tv (more prevalent between 2016-2020) i agree somewhat but its also just a feel good show and my rub was that it was a show about “rich apologism” like you shouldnt feel bad about being rich etc, it also seems to glorify alcohol a lot ultimately its corporate funded television, selling products is the main goal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/25 07:33 AM
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thats fair but it is kind of essential
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/25 11:59 AM
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many states in the US also a lot of the language in the legislation only recognizes female victims in cases of domestic violence. men in these places who are victims of domestic violence are essentially categorized as women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/25 11:48 AM
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one thing i’ve been thinking about lately is how my older sister sexually abused me with frequency as a kid. lot of castration humor and penis envy. my parents laughed it off. she would strike me in my genitals and laugh. one time i kicked her between the legs in return and she had a complete meltdown and my mother took her out of school for the day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/25 09:04 PM
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never ever unless forever
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/25 07:27 PM
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last thing i would tell a doctor is that i attempted suicide. that can only do me harm.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/25 09:46 AM
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you make a thoroughly convincing argument
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/25 10:29 PM
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im sure that feels like an intellectually superior perspective, i imagine you come from a highly individualistic background. but language in itself is about commonality. there isn’t much use in expressing the idea that individuality is supreme, you are describing solipsism which is pretty juvenile in the scope of moral philosophy. there are objective truths in this world beyond your personal anecdotes. there are commonalities between men and that is worth expressing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 09:43 PM
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ive brought this up a lot but the traditional chinese view of masculinity resonated with me (the military service aspect does NOT go over well within this comminuty with the whole draft sexism = disposability of men thing being hollowed ground here) but the other aspect is cultural contributions which is the part that resonated most with me. i think men are the primary contributors to culture, and since a child my main goal in life was to CREATE something artistic, in whichever medium. literatur…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 08:06 PM
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my cousin was abused by his wife. she continually assaulted him as he called the police and wait for them to arrive. he did not protect himself or harm her in any way but he walked away with a stab wound on his arm and many cuts / scratches / bite marks and a bruised rib. he knew if he laid a finger on her people might assume he was the abuser. the police arrived and still presumed he was the aggressor and it wasnt until they got to court that any of the paperwork even mentioned that he was the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 12:40 AM
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it still bothers me how many women equate feminism with egalitarianism. its like— no, fighting for womens rights is not the same thing as fighting for mens rights. there is no system or communal interest within feminism to solve any of mens problems, if they can even acknowledge they exist. the patriarchy argument as the big bad is an even more pathetic narrative. it seems the vast majority of feminists still operate under the belief that women are the primary victims of violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 07:20 PM
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i do my darndest to not be mysoginistic but just hearing that these boys (8 years old wtf who is an 8 year old going to terrorize?) got persecuted for the things they say on the internet would be enough to radicalize me if i were in their position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/25 03:02 AM
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i hate the manosphere branding so fucking much. i tell people i want them to take their grimy hands off of newborns foreskins and somehow they automatically think by association that i want to gargle andrew tate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 02:41 PM
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no true scottsman argument from absurdity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/25 05:27 PM
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kant is very cool i appreciate that. utilitarianism is just the easiest to work with in discussion if i don’t know what moral philosophy is common knowledge. that question is kind of a non sequitor, i provided an example of exceptions i take, but that has nothing to do with using utilitarianism to subvert egalitarianism, which i never even said. i did not pit utilitarianism against egalitarianism anywhere in my statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 08:11 AM
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heres my angle. i dont believe in strict egalitarianism. this sub does subscribe to strict egalitarianism and i respect that. sexual dimorphism and biology in general provide at leeast some reason for how equal treatment is not equitable treatment. for instance in medicine. there are some illnesses that effect men and women differently, and sometimes the treatments also effect men and women differently. outside of these kinds of things i do believe in strict egalitarianism, and moreover i believ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 03:18 PM
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in england the suffragette movement villainized capitalism in the 50s and 60s and it wasnt until they organized with american feminists that they changed capitalism for patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 11:25 PM
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there is a social isolation epidemic facing everyone and the physiological damage is incalculable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 07:02 AM
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goob nation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/25 12:52 AM
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“men should be responsible for making their own spaces and shelters and for helping other men.” “no not like that.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 06:00 PM
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thats just deflecting guilt, and worse they are parroting each other. unfortunately moral philosophy really only boils down to “what do we actually owe each other”.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/25 05:59 PM
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ye old gendered morality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 08:24 PM
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women love to hate men for consuming porn they consume just as much if not more SMUT they dont understand the commonality in that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 06:33 PM
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its an apex fallacy among other things guilty by association
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 11:34 PM
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i just want to recognize real anatomical and psychological differences between men and women. it is shortsighted to believe that every single person is exchangeable for anyone else. i do believe in egalitarianism up until the point where it exceeds equity. but the law and the language therein should large and by be ungendered. its things like medicine where those anatomical differences mean the most. a lot of people here disagree with me and purist egalitarianism is literally coded into the rule…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 04:10 AM
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but thats been debunked see heres a buzzfeed article about it /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/25 05:56 PM
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word. i mean feminism shuts down dissenting opinions of anything so convincing them of anything seems difficult. i was more just trying to get at the underlying morality of the topic. i think this is the crux of many of our gender issues; and i do believe in egalitarianism large and by. but take for instance medicine; we used to do medical studies almost entirely on men and have learned the hard way that there are steep consequences for not acknowledging the anatomical differences between men an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 09:45 PM
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true lol. whats the ethics behind taking the dna of conscripted soldiers and making ivf babies from them to ensure the continuation of their genetics even in desth, do you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 08:46 PM
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they want to eat their cake. and then they want to have it too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 08:44 PM
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so i acknowledge im an outlier within this community in that i support egalitarianism but i also am also against women in combat for a handful of reasons utilitarianism is at the center of my logic, greatest good for the greatest number of people, etc following that line of thought; i am against conscription unless the absence of it is literally costing more lives and more suffering, not even sure how you could calculate that. theres plenty of duties that women are capable of doing within a mili…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 08:43 PM
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the isolation epidemic effects everyone of all walks of life
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/25 06:29 PM
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theyre comparing men to animals to dehumanize them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 02:40 PM
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so im gonna be murdered by a billion different men? thats some crazy organizing skills
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/25 02:39 PM
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i disagree i think all people need other people, there is only the illusion of independence through wealth and property
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 07:45 PM
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thanks for joining the conversation and i hope the best for your boys its not a popular sentiment here but i am a big supporter of the idea that there is a masculine urge to controbute to society and culture one of the most influential things in my life was a little booklet my mom got me as a young child, it was called “100 men who changed the world” it was full of famous names of artists and scientists like walt disney and albert einstein. i knew my goal was to have my name in a book like that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/03/25 07:43 PM
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why do they think tate defines masculine advocacy like honestly they are so obsessed with associating us with tate that they may inadvertently convince those curious of male advocacy to look at tate’s content for advice i really doubt that his viewers are not by majority hateful of him and his ragebait
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/25 12:12 PM
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there is a mandate within feminism to act in bad faith of the system and to forfeit nothing if you give them an inch they will take a mile, if there is an opportunity to give favor to women over men it is their duty to do so, they see it as off balancing a system designed to oppress women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/25 07:03 AM
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shutgun argument
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/25 10:50 PM
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the only people who gatekeep and banish dissenting opinions like feminists do, are conservatives they are both very similar in terms of echo chamber
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 09:54 AM
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ya hasty generalizations are bad. but note that i never said women do x and men do x, i pointed out two albeit unrelated but factual statements about chimpanzees and bonobos, and implied they are at least somewhat related to human behavior. i caveated my statement appropriately, point blank. next question please.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 09:25 AM
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i actually agree but i feel that i appropriately caveated my statement as being “hugely reductive”. to add yet another caveat, its a false dichotomy as well. but i feel there is a truth somewhere in it and truth is a essential part of moving the dialogue further, so i disagree with you there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 08:40 AM
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thanks for the thoughtful response. i follow you on the second paragraph although i think it has more to do with qualities women have that are negative, and i have to be careful about that as i dont want to take the opportunity to shit on women. its a huge reduction but i sometimes compare matriarchy / patriarchy with bonobos and chimpanzees, our closest relatives that we share more in common with than we like to think. chimpanzees build armies and war with each other to fight over resources and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 07:47 AM
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can you talk a little about idk what you value about men? what do you see in men that you like?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 03:39 AM
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logic???? lmfao as though that was ever a factor at play anytime i quote a logical fallacy to a feminist they just say shit like “you need to tap into emotional intelligence if you dont want to sound like a sociopath”, or “oh do you have a tab open at thesaurus.com so you can sound smart?” they do not see the irony within their own rhetoric
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 11:38 PM
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gotta love absurdly rich white women claiming to be oppressed oppressively obtuse more like
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/03/25 07:56 PM
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any victim should be listened to and helped until you can investigate and prove otherwise
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/25 08:13 PM
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i think the thing standing in the way of men becoming communal agents with each other is actually the nuclear family structure. i think the answer is multi family homes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 09:38 PM
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i dont know about always but uh its not looking good team
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 11:45 PM
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seems like the simulation is just spitting back george orwell on repeat. more of an aldous huxley guy personally.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 11:43 PM
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its an invisible hand argument, it's just "out there, somewhere"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/25 09:15 AM
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the mods said “150 incels reported this. take a shower and have a cry about it”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/25 01:18 AM
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gender for me but not for thee
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 09:00 PM
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i feel that i sufficiently caveated my statement. i am not pushing these ideas on other people and i did not imply that it is a superior philosophy. i also recognize the fallacious potential of the ideology, and the potential for me to misinterpret it altogether. but i do find it helps me visualize masculinity, or at least a facet of it, and at this stage of my life. and where else but a mens advocate group to encourage people to rethink their masculinity, or what is worth celebrating about it. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 07:51 AM
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(to my vague understanding) the east asian idea of masculinity being comprised of military service and cultural contributions kind of resonated with me. its helped me conceptualize masculinity a little bit better. it’s not a complete picture but it is a profound perspective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 06:23 AM
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when reading about okinawan culture something that really stuck with me was their social structure/ maoi i think it is called. when a kid turns 5 they get assigned a group of other kids their age, and they MUST gather together for a meal at least once a day, for the rest of their lives. if they dont show up the whole group goes to their house to check and make sure they are okay. if their house is damaged they all pitch in to help repair it. these people live to be 120 years old and its not beca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/25 06:18 AM
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if you are too young to consent you are too young to be held accountable for the consequences of consent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 10:05 AM
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because we live in an oligarchy. you dont get money and power for having a penis. i am unaware of any invisible hand that gives people a systematic advantage for being a man. i believe their are chauvinists who are misogynistic but not a patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/24 01:51 PM
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what i have found is that they are interested in a revenge. they perceived themselves as second class citizens, and would have that done to us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/24 10:33 PM
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my mother just assumed i would be alright. she never even taught me how to cook a meal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 05:25 AM
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look for starters, generalizations aren’t going to help anybody in this conversation. i encourage you to purge your mind of the “tate bro” stuff. as far as i am aware andrew tate does not have influence within the mens rights movement, but i understand that he does make for an easy target. “getting back to traditionalism” is not remotely what the mens movement is about. “i cant find a girlfriend” is not remotely what the mens movement is about. complaining about “promiscuous women” is not what t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/24 09:48 PM
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“As a man, you get to feel safe, but you don’t get to be a nurturer or nurtured. You can speak up whenever you want, but not about your emotions, fears, or grief. You have the freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want, as long as that doesn’t involve anything feminine, which turns out to be many incredible things, like emotions, intentional parenting, grooming, baking, and so many other activities I’ve learned are too feminine.” this is incredibly reductive, if it is even at all accurate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 03:11 AM
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my cousin was being physically abused by his spouse. luckily he didnt have to convince anyone of it. she would start hitting him clawing him, cutting him with a knife, hitting him with a frying pan etc. he would just call the cops and sit their and take it until they arrived, at which point the police would have to physically remove her from him. it also doesnt have to be in a relationship i was physically and sexually abused by my older sister growing up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 08:22 PM
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i am so sick of solipsism and individualism. it seems the primary argument from most feminists stem from bodily autonomy which rolled into individualism and their own self satisfaction. “if i want to do something that means it is the right thing to do.” you dont exist in a vaccuum your choices effect other people, we cannot get by just thinking “i got mine fuck you”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 08:56 PM
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idk what it is but many women seem compelled to insult their husbands intelligence or secure a sense of mental superiority
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/24 04:51 PM
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ok so if you can change it its morally conscionable to harass people for it? just because it isn’t immutable doesn’t mean ethics do not apply. i think this mindset requires a certain level of obsessive grooming, madison avenue is somewhere in all of this
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:29 PM
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i appreciate that, i wish there were more.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:09 PM
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it wouldnt matter if you found a thousand i highly recommend you learn the basic tenents of rhetoric before you go spewing your nonsense in online forums
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 09:00 PM
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do you not know what anecdotal evidence is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:59 PM
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1) tu quoque; accusing someone else does not absolve you of anything. your actions still have ethical consequences. 2) you quote ONE person, and then attribute that to billions of people. i mean i dont think i have ever encountered a more egregious case of over generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:58 PM
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even if you found 13 people who said the same shit verbatim it does not prove your argument in the slightest. “here i found a man who said this online, we can blame all men for this right?” believe that is called an apex fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:54 PM
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there is nothing about obesity that is unique for women. except maybe the plethora of bbw porn. women mock fat men. women mock chubby men. when you tell them that it’s hostile and aggressive to mock men for their weight. the argument universally held by all women is “well they can lose the weight so its within their control. its their fault they are overweight therefore they deserve to be insulted.” one woman made a remark that can be applied to the entire gender that one person belongs to. obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:50 PM
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“just as men say” ye old strawman argument and over generaization combo. i have never heard anyone describe losing weight as “piss easy”. and if they did it would be a huge false equivalence to compare being overweight to having a “neckbeard”. your philosophy on how neckbeards are different from “full grown beards” shows your lack of comprehension of facial hair. neckbeards are not some transformative phase of facial hair it is literally just a genetic predisposition to grow facial hair on your …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 08:09 PM
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and yet “neckbeard” is still on the table
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/24 07:46 PM
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NO WAR BUT A CLASS WAR
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 07:17 PM
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sorry did that TRIGGER YOU
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 07:15 PM
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i was injured on the job at 23 while trying to pay for college, and have been out of work since, and i dont think many women are sympathetic to that. i dont think many women are sympathetic to that at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 07:10 PM
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gendered language with negative connotations isnt really a good ide
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/24 01:45 AM
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white knighting has imploded since the election
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:18 AM
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excluding the “bad men” or “creeps” from their social circles, thats kind of the entire angle. its a no true scottsman argument i suppose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/24 05:15 AM
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no true scottsman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 08:39 PM
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“no true scottsman would vote for jill stein”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:38 PM
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can we please stop treating independent options as impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:27 PM
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hell no if anything its gonna get worse
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:26 PM
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hell no
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:25 PM
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“creepy behavior”. that phrasing is a bit dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 10:35 PM
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that hand in the sky argument is just too convenient
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/24 12:18 AM
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pretty sure most guys arent bothered by modesty
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 10:57 PM
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no men do not need sex for any anatomical sense of survival, but social development is a very high priority psychologically as well as esteem among your peers. maslows heirarchy of needs is a rudimentary example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:31 PM
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damn g i tried posting this same exact thing and was told it “seemed too red pill” by the mods. like ya its shoeonhead this isnt an enlightening source of information but the argument has some solid truth to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 05:24 PM
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nature vs nurture isnt as distinct as you might think, and “brain chemistry” — assuming you mean neurotransmitters — isnt the full picture. the fact is that men and women have dramtically different DNA. theres really no simple way to objectively separate your personal anecdotal experiences from genetic determinism. this is important for a lot of reasons, think about medicine and health care, for a long time we didnt really distinguish men and women in medical research, 90%+ was based on how it e…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:40 PM
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based on what i know i imagine we are fundamentally different but that doesnt mean we dont deserve equal treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 03:20 PM
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loving myself just sounds like narcissism and im just not all that self obsessed
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:29 PM
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no its more like double standards are bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:05 AM
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i find that women are significantly more susceptible to false beauty standards
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 05:14 PM
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what in the hell are you even talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:04 PM
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or vice versa why cant women have fair standards
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 11:58 PM
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jokes on you im into that shit
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 11:57 PM
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“but patriarchy lifts men out of their uselessness so they can keep running things” or some bs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 03:31 PM
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true not familiar with this phrasing but works for me. i personally felt it was an ad hoc ergo propter hoc, the result isnt proof of the cause. majority of ceo’s are men, doesnt mean that them being men is the cause of being ceo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/24 07:37 PM
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sometimes they say patriarchy benefits men but also there is like a schrodingers oppression that effects men while also not effecting them. its a very convenient scapegoat, “hand in the sky” argument. they think because the majority of world leaders and ceo’s are men therefore we live in a patriarchy, but those men didnt attain those positions of power just by checking their gender at the door. tbh we live in an oligarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 04:59 PM
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okay so first off i never said the word "easy" but there you go misquoting me, now let me explain to you how statistics work. sex workers having a higher mortality rate than loggers does not mean women suffer more danger in the workplace. as much as you might try to recontextualize that situation, there is simply nothing that woman can do to balance out the sacrifices men have made, have always made, and probably will always make. The usual argument from men in this sub is that men deserve great…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:03 PM
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i dont think anyone believed prostitution would be a harmless job. but it is relatively low entry point and low effort for the income earned. they wouldnt be doing it otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:13 AM
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popular vote isnt the electoral college.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 04:01 AM
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its beyond hope on the palestinian v israel subreddits its just bullshit after bullshit with those people. they are worse than conservatives and feminists alike where it comes to ignoring or dismissing dissenting opinions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 02:37 PM
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no idea what in the hell you are talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 05:37 PM
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women do not have the capacity to comprehend why men are deterred from excessively promiscuous behavior. same reason men dont comprehend the fear of birth
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 02:50 PM
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i mean the entire public education system in the US was designed to prepare kids to work in factories, there is a LOT wrong with education and the culture of the students CAN be very destructive when it encourages them to dislike their education. we know there are schools where the drop out rate snowballs and further discourages students from their education, and it all has a ripple effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:11 PM
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what bothers me is when people try to rationalize this stuff on the basis of their own personal agency and self satisfaction. “i can do what i want”. basically without a concern for the bigger picture or general morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 08:05 PM
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my issue is women are seemingly unaware of steroids and their influence on men and boys who choose to use them. many women have told me that i “dont look like i work out” because they think if ur not as ripped as arnold swarzenegger ur must not lift
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 05:04 PM
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theres an theory in criminal psychology that criminality is a response to a shortcoming in society
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 09:39 PM
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woman have hightened sense of in group bias. women defend other women on the merit that they are women out of a sense of solidarity. men do not have this same behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 04:54 PM
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it has more to do with social conditioning than your personal psyche
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 06:55 AM
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you say should know but they often don't. i hear people quote anecdotes as evidence pretty much cconstantly,
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/24 05:54 PM
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both the boys and girls are prey to false beauty standards and the idea that a healthy body lies behind the gym door. if we have learned anything from the blue zones where people have the longest life spans on the planet, none of them work out. none of them go to a gym. they exercise simply by doing chores around the house, or through their work. its a shame i think when i see a lot of the girls who think they have to have washboard abs and stick out their asses to be normal. i feel like it's ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:17 PM
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there is also a theory that resonates with me, that criminality can be more readily attributable to a failure in society than to the actions of any one individual.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 09:45 PM
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dude the insanity happening over steroids has made me lose a lot of faith in humanity. i met so many people in my life who didn't think i worked out because i didn't look like arnold swarzenegger. i'm sure it's only gotten worse with time so i feel bad for the younger fellas. i had a friend growing up who turned to steroids, he wasn't feeling confident in the gym, of course girls were fawning over him all the time anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:27 AM
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i dont know if you needed to hear this or not, but movies are not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:26 AM
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wonder if that leads to a kind of pygmalion effect
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/24 07:48 PM
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is it authored by a woman?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/24 07:47 PM
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i mean it is the guardian. consider the intended audience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/24 12:42 PM
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im not entirely sure that i follow, but what i understand is that women are attracted to men with a higher income, but not so much the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:17 PM
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idk maybe its an exposure issue. in the same way that never being around crippled folk can make you behave inappropriately with them, never being around men can make you inappropriately cast judgement at face value. its not a perfect understanding or explanation, but i do think that is a contributing factor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/24 04:26 PM
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its not good i was seriously injured at work at the age of 23. now im 28. i was going places with my career but thats all over with. i tried working in IT but found that typing is one of the biggest triggers for my pain (cervical stenosis) next to driving. i cant use my arms for jack shit anymore. its a really emasculating thing to not be able to work to support yourself. i had problems with suicidal ideation and social isolation BEFORE i was injured. im sure you can imagine how that has progres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 08:11 PM
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I would have a horrible life as a man without the sexual revolution. this is a case of mistaken time period. you are referring to the first sexual revolution, when it is pretty clear we are talking about the women's sexual liberation movement, part of second wave feminism. that would not be about premarital sex i am afraid. luckily, not everything is about you or who you choose to stick your dick in. a positive view of sex and fun that they usually didn't have in the 1950s. this is poorly inform…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 03:41 AM
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it doesn't really matter if the argument is sensible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 03:24 AM
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So in other words he thinks promiscuity is bad lol. as a matter of fact no, that would be a reduction, so not "in other words", paraphrasing, or otherwise. I don't have to make any responses and yet you do. since you decide to orate in a public discussion, it would be a whole lot more helpful if you would try to use some basic rhetoric. Because this is someone's lifestyle well being a murdering psychopath is also a lifestyle that has nothing to do with me or you or anyone other the specific peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 03:23 AM
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Judging from the title, and seeing the words sexual revolution. Is giving me bad vibes, even if the title could potentially just be click bait or a hook. "don't judge a book by its cover" I don't give a fuck about women being promiscuous this doesn't respond to why the video claims promiscuity is bad, you're just saying that you don't think promiscuity is bad. They can do whatever they want. i feel like you made it about 5 seconds into the video before you stopped watching, the whole video is de…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 02:03 AM
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you seem to be someone who thinks in terms of anecdotes. anecdotes are not a source of evidence. you can't do any evidenced based thinking on anecdotes. you also seem to be, as your goal, trying to logic your way to proving someone is racist or homophobic, but that is an ad hominem fallacy. a person's identity is not evidence, it is proof of nothing, even if you can successfully prove that someone is a homophobe or racist you can't do anything with that information. you're talking about things y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/24 11:56 PM
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mens standards are insanely low. but they do exist. by comparison to womens standards they might as well not though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 04:58 PM
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“why are you with the person” switching costs. men cant just drop someone and go on to the next thing quite as easily as the ladies can. in fact yall use this against us regularly while in relationships, which is why women get away with pushing the envelope so far. i know a girl who specifically targets heterosexual men and then tells them she will date them if they let her peg them. she specifically tagets men who dont want to be pegged, if they want it, she isnt interested. it has to be agains…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:54 PM
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no most men are attracted to most women. (not willing to fuck, attracted) pretty sure theres data on that somewhere. then you have the guys that will look for a quick lay and hope no one sees who he is with. @gravel_roads unfortunately caring about the other person or taking interest in their pleasure has nothing to do with attraction in fact you can be attracted to them WITHOUT fucking theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:40 PM
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this is not very solid info, logic isnt a dichotomy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:38 PM
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men : humans are naturally hypergamous or there wouldnt be pronounced sexual dimorphisms women : men are just enraged we dont think they are sexy i dont think enrage is it at all “oh no, nobody finds me attractive! time to go mass murder everyone i guess.”, more so it simply breaks the social contract we were all raised on. if you’re going to exclude all of us from your communities and families we will become very disinterested in bleeding for you. if you want to play the game where everyone tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:36 PM
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i hate when women use the word “creepy” like its criminal to be off-putting, what they are really insinuating is perversion without any overtly perverse act. its so dehumanizing to look at people through that lens. its as though they believe there is a lower caste that doesn’t deserve to live r breathe the same air as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 08:26 AM
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women will never understand this as long as they live
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 08:23 AM
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simple you can only trust the stats that you can reproduce. thats what science says anyways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 08:21 AM
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ive been severed from groups (plural) specifically for “making the girls in the group feel bad for being female”. mind you this was long before i was a male advocate, certainly wasn’t anti feminist yet. was never political with them in any way. in one of those groups one of my friends told me it was just an excuse to get rid of me because they “just didn’t like me”. many other similar experiences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 08:19 AM
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i have never met anyone who gatekeeps as thoroughly as feminists. i have never liked people who gatekeep very much. you’re spot on about the religion thing i wouldnt doubt there are people out there specifically trying to prove the dogma through science and throw out anything that disproves it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 08:14 AM
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instigated isn’t a great word for determining fault. i think provoked is better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 01:59 AM
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bull fucking shit women are just impossible trust me the ugly ones get attention too they just dont get attention they want. women are spoilt by the distance and convenience of social media and online dating, they dont have to deal with the consequences of being in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:41 PM
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i mean. having offspring is kind of important if you want to look at humans from a biological or zoological perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:04 PM
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in the 1960s 90% of the population in the US was married
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:00 PM
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the last reason anyone should be circumcising their babies genitals is because women are more used to seeing it that way in porn. my nephew was born two weeks ago and i tried my best to convince my sister not to circumcise them or at least do some research into it. she snapped back and told me she wasnt going to let her son of a smelly unhygienic penis. i was already on poor terms with her seeing as she repeatedly sexually abused me as a child as she was many years older than i was and could ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 04:46 AM
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its not the rotation that is the appeal. they probably just imagine it doesnt exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 02:38 PM
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yeah my dad did this my older sister figured it out and left me holding the bag but i spent like a good 10 years trying to protect my dad from the loneliness and anger from the divorce. he was far more interested in my attention then performing any kind of child rearing or emotional acknowledgement for me. i sacrificed a lot of my childhood trying to make him feel better instead of trying to become a person. my mother in the meanwhile has told me then and now that her career was far more importa…
/r/MensRights25/07/24 12:05 AM
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not everything is outside of your control and you are responsible for where you do have the control. something isn’t morally conscionable BECAUSE it is too complicated to determine the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 04:32 AM
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what about if he acts in a way that then causes the girl to then go out and hurt people, or make them have trust issues or abandonment issues. i feel like these things ripple outwards in many unexpected ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:59 AM
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this isn't a good look for you. my recommendation would be to wait until you are committed before having sex, it sounds lame and chastizing but hookups do not exist in a vacuum, you influence other peoples lives not just by hooking up, but by fascilitating an environment for hooking up. the choices you make effect other people. you do not exist in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 12:56 AM
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i did not complain about any “dregs” but you hear what you want to hear. people are the most valuable natural resource in the world, the average highschool dropout included. worth far more than what they cost to keep alive and well. we do not live in a zero sum society, we are surrounded by natural renewing resources, its like monopoly where every time you pass go you get some money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:50 PM
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Is it a "human constant?" Or is male disposability and the enforcement of damaging norms on them the effective constant? you're not reading for comprehension. when something happens in all cultures globally, it can safely be presumed to not be a cultural phenomenon. https://www.amacad.org/publication/human-universals#:~:text=In%20the%20cultural%20realm%2C%20human,the%20frequency%20of%20use%20and i am not hostile to the idea of male disposability, i think that it is a complex subject and that the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:54 PM
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i can't even talk about my thoughts and feelings around them period, certainly not in any female or feminism oriented subreddits. they literally don't allow for dissenting opinions of any kind. saw a rule earlier on /askfeminists saying they only allow "good faith participation", if you don't believe in their cause, then i guess you aren't allowed to ask them. i 100% blame the internet and the BLOCK BUTTON features on social media websites. i think womens natural proclivity to exclude people fro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:39 PM
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thanks for this read, it's hard to find good perspectives on this topic. gotta say this shit is making me depressed tho haha. ED, failure to aim or put the seat in the "correct" position, emotionally unconnected, poor grooming, neckbeards, mismatched fashion choices, grey back syndrome, inability to hit the g spot or not caring about her pleasure. Failure to launch… can't believe a therapist would ever say some shit like this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:29 PM
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i had a female therapist that i was court ordered to for getting caught with pot at school. saw her every week for 6 months. i recall talking to myself pretty much the whole time and her just being like "uh huh ya". thinking back i had some pretty poignant insights for a teenager, the only thing memorable that she said was that self isolation is a slippery slope, which okay, like, ya. it did nothing for me whatsoever but make me feel patronized, playcated, and pacified.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:21 PM
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mmm i dont know about the school shooters, maybe mass shooters but kids only go into therapy if their parents want them to essentially.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:17 PM
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i would bet that this ratio is consistent in all cultures around the world, meaning it would be a human constant, and probably not the result of culture. i think the ratio will always tip to the disadvantage of men when it comes to early deaths and suicide, but i think what we can do is get those numbers as low as possible, but right now they are just climbing and climbing and it's just getting worse. i think the number 1 thing we can really fix and get rid of is the level of social isolation, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:08 PM
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socratic method. in this case i would avoid loaded questions as much as possible, because it feels like she is gearing up for one. "how dare you categorize me by giving me a diagnosis based on peer reviewed research"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:04 PM
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it's 100% male disposability, "they didn't seek help so it's their own fault". it almost seems like the huge amounts of suicides from men maybe actually means something to them and indicates within themselves a hint of fault or some subconscious level of guilt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:03 PM
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yeah i can't see how trying to build a grand narrative between these two data points, that men don't seek therapy as much and kill themselves more, could be required for anything other then a loaded question.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 08:00 PM
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a NEWS source? do you mean like a reference? and no most people who commit suicide they do try to reach out to someone at some point. i want to be perfectly clear that the human body is a resilient thing. people go off to war get their legs blown off and come back and live to be 98 years old. it isn't EASY to kill yourself. it takes a lot of WORK. you don't just take a bullet to the head and its like a lightbulb goes out. there are an exceptionally liminal quantity of quick and painless deaths. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 07:38 PM
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yep i reported it for breaking rule 8 of the subreddit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 07:29 PM
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nobody identifies as a nice guy, it is an accusation made at men for thinking they deserve attraction based on merit and not their physical attributes. nice try making the equivocation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:18 AM
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women have demonized men at length for focusing on physical attraction instead of merit, especially in the past 20-30 years, claiming that men by and large objectify women, and that such an attitude is disgusting and dehumanizing. op is saying that it is hypocritical to make that claim while simoultaneously accusing "nice guys" for thinking they deserve attraction based on merit and not their physical attributes. u/Sharp_Engineering379 ya men are way less picky about women's physical appearance …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 02:11 AM
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you are arguing against data with anecdotal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:06 PM
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the people who have the most children make less than 10,000 a year, making more than that and suddenly you stop having children, this is what the data shows us. wealth inequality is a big issue but it doesnt have anything to do with raising children. children are far less expensive then people make them out to be, mostly because we live in the most wasteful society to ever walk the earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:40 PM
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women have always been the target of consumerism and america turned up consumerism to the maximum, edward bernays literally used feminism in america to support capitalism, anything that women werent allowed to have, for instance cigarettes, he used feminism as a ways of moralizing those purchases. if you can attach a product to a persons identity and then stoke there narcissism you can convince them to buy just about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:36 PM
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um its not really a matter of manipulation unfortunately men are just considered less attractive and women have carried over their sense of caution to avoid unwanted pregnancy despite living in a world where we are swimming in contraceptives. men used to have a role of providing for the family and egalitarianism has stolen that from us. we dont have a purpose anymore. people make the mistake of thinking that their individualism matters and it doesn’t. you do not exist in a vacuum, humans are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:39 AM
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this has happened to me, i was telling someone that i had been groped while i was in seattle walking down broadway in capitol hill and a trans woman / crossdresser put their hand in my pants and grabbed my dick, i went home and showered for an hour. they made it out to seem like i was blaming trans people or that i had fabricated the story altogether.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/24 06:28 AM
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I honestly believe the "women are wonderful" affect palys in a huge role here, outside soceity taking women agency away. Because this perpetuates a toxic idea that women have this special ability to change any man and make any man good. you lost me here. i don't understand the sequence of logic. i'm not sure thats what the women are wonderful effect means. Now switch the genders. Have two female characters fight over a male love interest. i'm not familiar with this trope
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/24 06:18 AM
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i learned a long time ago not to take advice on facial hair from people who don’t have any
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 12:04 AM
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i think damaged goods sounds just about right. thats what trauma does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 11:30 PM
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youre still creating this false dichotomy of good and bad makeup. there are many stylizations of cosmetics and going for a “natural” look is only one, and there are different ways to achieve that outcome even. i work in theater and there are many different applications for makeup in that arena and its not just about augmenting beauty a lot of the time. “its not their fault they just dont know” is not a helpful argument to make when the opposite side is saying pretty much the same thing. i can te…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 05:39 PM
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i do also hear the argument a lot that men are deceived by minimal or natural looking makeup, which kind of is the whole point. that and the idea that cosmetics are meant to be deceptive when done correctly (just now writing this phrase out it sounds like a “no true scottsman” argument). so ya deceptive makeup i believe can look good, an instance comes to mind, naomi watts usually appears with somewhat minimalistic makeup in many films, and she looks a bit better with it on in a way, mostly just…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 06:03 AM
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this is some kind of mutated strawman argument “they actually dont know what they are saying, they really meant this other thing”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:23 AM
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you think men have a perception issue. men think women have a perception issue. funny how that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:22 AM
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nope we’re not theres literally studies done on this, which you probably wouldnt care to research since the truth is scary to you. women literally wont shut up about how long it takes them to get ready in the morning compared to men, they have been complaining about that for years. men literally joke about how long women take to get ready and how obsessed they are with grooming themselves. the problem is makeup is malignant grooming. bathing and brushing your hair are examples of effective groom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:17 AM
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women are very attached to self grooming, the part of the brain that is active during self grooming is larger in women. i think telling women they look better without makeup to them sounds like you are saying their efforts to groom themselves are ineffective. they want the self grooming to be effective. and most times it is, but makeup is largely ineffective most guys dont like it. this is the crux of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:16 AM
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well i think its an overestimation to say that our gov runs on fear. i think thats more an issue of the media particularly 24hour news. our democratic structure was designed to function on narcissism. which yknow it clearly worked but maybe a bit too well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 02:34 PM
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Having kids and being married isn’t all that I have to offer the world. well ya socially it is acceptable for women to be single. single men however, not so much. men aren't allowed to be single really, not without judgement anyways. it's a sign that something is wrong. it would be an ad hoc ergo propter hoc also; that doesn't mean that kids and marriage are not worthwhile pursuits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:59 AM
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the superslayers are ruining the concept of monogamy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:31 AM
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so you agree women have very high standards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 06:24 AM
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the presidency isn't determined by a gender test so, no. it's a classic ad hoc ergo propter hoc. correlation does not equal causation. the people who are in power are there because they were voted for, but realistically, we can only vote for people who have an insane amount of financial support, so the winner is always decided by just having oodles of donation money. donations decide the presidency. a charitocracy, if you will.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:43 AM
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we don't live in a patriarchy we live in an oligarchy pretending to be a democracy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 05:39 AM
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i mean there are literally statistics showing that in recent years a significant number of young women have come to prefer older men. its not most but its a significant fraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 04:33 PM
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more accurately it is misattributing an argument to your opposition. an argument used by an individual is not the same thing as an argument used by an entire class, furthermore neatly categorize people as sexually unsuccessful and claim they all support the same argument is absurd. might as well tack on ad hominem fallCy while you are at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 12:13 AM
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your own confirmation bias is showing ironically. hasty generalizations and strawman arguments are extremely low brow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 08:42 PM
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surgeon general of the US has published a report displaying the science on why belonging is a fundamental human need and a dramatically high number of people in the US report not belonging anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 12:00 AM
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people need more than parents to belong. community has been completely lost to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:58 PM
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its not love its belonging. human beings have a fundamental need to belong and that is evidenced by the science, not just my opinion or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:57 PM
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that doesnt mean the ramping up of social isolation isn’t indicative of a problem. people complaining about social isolation are being perfectly reasonable just from a flat statistics perspective. inventing an obviously fallacious claim and then attributing it to your opposition is called a STRAWMAN argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:54 PM
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sex is not a fundamental human need, however belonging is. if anyone thinks that social isolation isnt a widespread epidemic and doesnt dramatically influence your physiology i recommend you read the informational report by the surgeon general of the united states on the loneliness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:48 PM
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yep its crazy how common this is, pretty sure some states in the US dont recognize that men can be the victims of domestic abuse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 11:36 PM
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you hear what you want to hear. literally gave every caveat possible to dispell this argument and you and your high and mighty perspective failed to perceive that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:43 AM
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i suppose one should try to take criticisms to heart from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:21 PM
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sure thats cool. but we have to understand that humans are animals and not only do women wear less clothing and put themselves out more when they are ovulating, men are also visually drawn to women who wear more revealing clothes. not a justification by any means, rather a natural phenomenon that is worth noting on the topic. it is not your responsibility to avoid rape, but if you dont want to attract the wrong kind of attention there are steps you can take.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:04 PM
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i have yet to see that sentiment expressed, rather it sounds like you are artificially creating an obviously fallacious argument and then attributing it to your opposition. aka straw man argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 06:46 PM
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women are increasingly legally advantaged while claiming to be oppressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 12:36 PM
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yes its all on me. community of 1.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/24 05:40 AM
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ya rejection means theyres nothing wrong with them. got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:53 AM
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estrogen also just makes people happy seemingly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 12:37 AM
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thats the thing tho is this whole life thing doesn’t work if everyone is single i think thats the caveat. people need to belong tho and building local communities for men needds to happen. i live in a pretty big city and theres basically nothing in the way of mens peer support groups, at least as far as i know. i genuinely dont know what to do to find a community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/24 12:36 AM
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they dudnt say dat they said they wouldnt have sex with someone who refused to perform oral. but you hear what you want to hear. furthermore you arent realizing your own hypocrisy. some how my argument is at fault because i belong to the male category? get real. tu quoque.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 05:03 AM
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your perspective is extremely myopic. telling someone to get on their knees or they will be rejected is fundamentally manipulative. with how often people want to toot their horn about coercive sex, performing oral when you dont want to because you were given an ultimatum is called COERCION. preferring a partner who is open to performing oral, or even enthusiastic about it, is not being manipulative. see the difference. and no, you do not need to perform 69s and “increasingly complex oral” to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:57 AM
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thats not a preference its an ultimatum
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:50 AM
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thats not what they said. they said they wouldnt have sex with a man if he refuses to perform oral. your interpretation reveals your confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 04:49 AM
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that is NOT a boundary, you have it just the opposite. if someone doesnt want to perform oral you cant use that to manipulate them. sounds like you dont understand why coercion in the bedroom is morally unconscionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:09 AM
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that seems a bit manipulative. imagine if a guy said “i just wouldnt have sex with a woman who refused to perform oral” , do you think thats an appropriate way to interact with people?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:00 AM
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this is a case of selective hearing and confirmation bias. you see what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:44 AM
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ya my sister gives birth to a boy in a week and not too long ago she laughed in my face when i compared circumcision to genital mutilation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/24 01:40 AM
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can you be more specific
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:30 AM
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except nobody is saying scarlet johanson is mid, and there is simply not a consensus among men in ppd. hypergamy is built into human genetics i dont see what is so hard to believe about that. its very simple : any mammals with sexually dimorphic features are natively hypergamous. with mammals that are monogamous, the male and female look very similar if not the same. humans are hypergamous and theres no use in arguing over it when the research is available at the click of a button.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 10:02 PM
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i mean i need a family a community and or a partner, and without those things i will rot and die. sex isn't on my agenda, but i find human interactions very compelling, although extremely difficult to access at this point in my life. humans need to belong somewhere and i have never belonged anywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/24 02:46 PM
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concern-troll is just a funny way to dismiss someones argument. you are suggesting that dissenting opinions are proof of poor character, because somehow you think thats meaningful. you're on a sub dedicated to gender and dating debates, what did you think you were going to find here exactly? a big circlejerk?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:37 PM
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no its really more of the fact that many women say they want one thing and then their behavior shows another thing, in addition to just generally being in their own way. and thats not just conjecture there is data behind that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:34 PM
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im just at the point where i believe the double standards are a feature, not a bug
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/24 12:47 AM
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i feel like you inadvertently supported my claim while debating the evidence. the left wing right wing dynamic is probably the most prime example of a false dichotomy. i understand that liberals aren’t especially liberal anymore, and conservatives aren’t really conservative. but its still as much of a false dilemma as it ever was. corporate interests are also an issue among liberal politicians, primarily congressmen and senators; its not a uniquely conservative issue. just to become a politician…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/24 01:59 AM
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correlary : is there a good reason for men to put as much importance on women as they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 01:07 AM
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im deep into the z axis, the left right dichotomy is false inherently and its trapping us in dangerously rigid beliefs. i am definitely alienated by the left increasingly more every day. im sick of the neo liberal inside trader bullshit and democrat politicians bending the knee to monied interests. doesn't mean i like republican politicians. i will probably agree with some issues on both sides of the aisle. one of the only youtubers that has poignant insights into mens issues imo is gerbert john…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 12:26 AM
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oh absolutely i saw this at my job working in stage production. people would bring in their girlfriends to work and they would stand around and look pretty while they barked at the guys to do their share of the work. they were treated as more competent and intelligent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 03:02 PM
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i think he is referring to “alt girls” or girls who brand themselves as into video games and anime or whatever. /shrug
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 04:25 AM
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i suppose that loss of childhood is probably one of the biggest fundamental losses to a trans person and probably a great source of grief. unfortunately some trans men have used their identity as proof that mens issues "really don't matter after all", and i suspect that many of those people are either experiencing a confirmation bias or simply haven't experienced the common complaints. one of the biggest mens issues on my agenda personally is default circumcision aka forced genital mutilation, a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 12:41 AM
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you are completely forgetting the point of your argument was to negate the idea that women seek hypergamous relationships with an analogy for using dates for free food. men and women are not interchangeably hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:09 AM
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did you even read my statement. literally the first sentence is "acknowledging the problem doesn't demand a solution". why would anyone suggest something as ridiculous as mandated attention. this is a pathetic attempt at a straw man argument where you improvise an obviously fallacious argument and attribute it to your opposition, without even a basic accounting for literacy. you have the intelligence of a parrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 08:38 PM
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i mean honestly i feel like if anyone should be euthanized it should be me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 03:19 PM
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won't be first choice? bro we won't be any choice. we don't get a choice. there are no options. we're not first pick, and we're not even the last pick. trying to logic women into being attracted to them. more like get them to realize they are in their own way and blaming it on us. if they want hypergamy thats fine with me but they say one thing and do another which is just making the majority of an entire gender seem like entitled pricks given to double standards. in addition to that, many of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 01:32 PM
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yeah it does suck especially if you feel like you've been strung along. but there seems to be a double standard a lot of the time. it seems many women are very okay with disconnecting, disengaging, blocking contact, or otherwise excommunicating men, pretty much on a dime. i think it started with facebook and cell phones making it really easy to block contact from people with just the click of a button. it's not just a right that women have, to exclude men from their social pool, it is their biol…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 12:50 PM
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a lot of guys just don't want to be simps yfm. as an average guy you regularly experience being attracted to a girl but knowing it will probably not be reciprocated, and maybe he's done the "nice guy" act just to end up being the butt of a joke. but aagain its not about being kind, it means being gulllible and simple "oh haha no we don't have to be boyfriend and girlfriend, haha , i just wanted to be friends too, thats what i was thinking too, but uh, we can hang out or whatever. i'm just a nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:44 AM
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i think tho this is a connotation vs notation thing. yes abviously it is good to be kind to your neighbours that is the decent thing to do, but "nice guys" is also a pejorative with a very negative connotation, referring to easily manipulated men who are average looking or worse and think just because they bend over backwards for a girl that they are the superior choice to "chad and tyrone".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:39 AM
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i think theres definitely a nugget of truth in there. abused people end up becoming abusers most of the time. have you ever taken a dog home from the pound that was clearly traumatized or abused? sometimes there's just no fixing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:29 AM
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"lol men complain about foodie calls but they still pay for dinner with women who pretend to be interested, clearly they LOVE manipulative women" true but this analogy ignores the fact that some people are more attractive than others. it seems that a lot of women don't understand the idea that men seem to have known for a while : the more attractive they are the more traffic they get, regardless of how they treat you. women think "oh he's nice he must be serious about me" and don't take it farth…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:21 AM
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theres videos all over youtube of "chad tinder experiments". once you reach a certain threshhold in attractiveness, women will stomach more abuse from them then any simp ever will. you can literally type nonsense words in the text box and they wont care they will still be down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:07 AM
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acknowledging the problem doesnt demand a solution. and it isnt just a matter of “focusing too hard on their failed attempts at dating”. there is a social isolation epidemic (words of the US surgeon general not mine) and it disproportionately effects men, but it effects people all around the world from all walks of life. that doesnt mean women should be “forced into relationships with men” that is just a straw man argument where you improvise an obviously fallacious statement and attribute it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 05:24 AM
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ya you arent going to deprogram the anti socialism code thats been beaten into our brains. might as well just call it something new.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/24 04:01 AM
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you don't get to decide it wasn't consensual after the fact, you don't get to create your own terms and conditions for sex that if you don't follow through makes it somehow non-consensual. there's nothing about ethics or morality that says you have to be emotionaly attached or monogamous with someone before you are allowed to have sex. you sound like a religious evangelical demanding people get married before they hanky panky. Is it consensual when it's all a con and had he been up front from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 03:26 AM
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i think the rhetoric is highly questionable in addition to being hypocritical. you tell us it doesnt matter how hard you gatekeep, men are just waiting to fuck and then they leave. okay so gatekeeping isnt working, the issue is orobably that you are aiming for guys who are out of your league, have you tried aiming lower? do you have any idea how many guys have little to no experience with women and are desperate for what little crumbs of affection they can find? it is a disturbingly high number.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:23 PM
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and what does that have to do with the guy? he clearly wasnt interested. you cant force people to be your boyfriend, regardless of how long you put off having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:21 PM
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you think ghosting is uniquely a female experience? dont make me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:18 PM
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why do you care so much? it boggles my mind. nobody owes her a boyfriend, nothing about consensual sex demands loyalty or fidelity. it would be manipulative to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:18 PM
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nobody owed you a boyfriend, theyre allowed to have consensual sex and decide you arent for them. theres no rule that says youre only allowed to have sex if you stay with them forever. maybe the whole thing was a front which idk what you plan to do with that information other than decide to be paranoid of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 10:15 PM
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just finished watching this, the last episode really fucked me up. the part where he walks her back to her apartment was really sad as well. the actress nailed this part. i am sure the story is a bit larger than life but this sounds very much like something her character would do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/06/24 06:39 AM
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Gender essentialism falls afoul this same fallacy. Gender is a fictive sort of thing, it is made up, performed rather than there being something in essence to it. The category itself being a fictive structure, a kind of cultural tale we tell each other so i followed you up to here. i do not subscribe to sex-gender distinction nor the ideals of john money or robert stoller. john money was diddling infants and stoller has been criticized for trying to find the cause of transgender identities with …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 09:12 PM
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they should be ashamed of themselves and the growing incapability of people all around the world to discuss these topics in any kind of meaningful way, instead they just want to bully and force their beliefs on other people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 08:29 PM
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yes i get into arguments with people because they define feminism as egalitarianism. so don't call it feminism call it egalitarianism. it is not a coincidence that to them the good guys are feminists and the bad guys are the patriarchy, they literally think reality is like star wars, rebels vs the empire. feminism has a very clear definition, it is just activism for womens rights. very straightforward. they can't claim they are also activists for mens rights when they actively villainize anyone …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 05:34 PM
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even if that were true it doesn't prove your argument or disprove mine. tu quoque start familiarizing yourself with rhetoric if you want to orate in a public forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:19 PM
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yes i try to get people away from gendered language like that, and it's a huge problem feminists have. i don't know what it is, maybe i'm misreading something but it seems like girls and women are more inclined to use abbreviated words and improvised compound word, kind of like "cutesy" language, and that is displayed by the gendered language that they toss at men. language like "mansplaining" or "manspreading" for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:55 PM
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what is that behavior though? what are the hallmarks of the diagnosis?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:51 PM
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wait what was the original definition of toxic masculinity?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:50 PM
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Do you know how many women take some basic "women's self defence" course and then think they're suddenly able to defend themselves from someone who is twice as big and three times as strong? i was physically and sexually abused by my older sister when i was very young as she was 5 years older than me, she was just bigger and stronger than me up until i was like 9 or 10 years old. that shit quit as soon as i was bigger and stronger than her, but even after that she would go on and on about how sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:47 PM
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i think maybe you and OP don't share the same meaning of the word "tough"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:41 PM
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I have talk to many men who think if a man ever try to rape them. They think they can just f*ck that man up. sounds very scientific. thats what i call quality peer reviewed research. to much alpha male red pill content dude bro type of feminism vibe. alpha male or hyper masculine type men bad men weak little nerdy cowards athletes, soldiers, police officers, or hardcore gang members i think you should be careful not to categorize people like this, a lot of this is ad hominem arguments where you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 02:38 PM
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ok we agree then, why the condescending attitude? you clearly know i am aware of the words OP used.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:23 PM
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i think you have a confirmation bias with the way you define words. you probably wrongly assume other people share your definitions. what you are talking about is purely anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:50 PM
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you aren't really using the contextual definition of connection. you are saying that connection = just simply meeting someone. the intended use was instead to mean, making a connection with someone, or making a genuine connection with someone, feeling a connection, etc. specifically, the original comment was referring to the title "why do women say they can't find a good guy" so i guess the circular reasoning would be more like why can't they find a good guy? it's because they aren't compatible.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:37 PM
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it is a major factor that influences that does influence the gene pool. if people met on a dating app they probably would not have met and matched irl. i don't know if you realize this but when two people love each other very much they share some chromosomes and pop out a genetically spliced human. so if they met on a dating app, and they have a kid, that means the dating app has an influence on the gene pool. but ya "control" and "monopoly" are pretty strong words, match group doesn't own the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:34 PM
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what do you mean they own apps, and people are dumping 30$ or more a month into it. they are making bank. they have virtually no costs. Match Group’s annual revenue has been increasing steadily over the years, with a significant growth rate. In 2022, the company’s revenue was $3.189 billion, a 6.89% increase from 2021. In the first quarter of 2024, the company’s total revenue was around $859 million, the third-highest quarterly revenue ever reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:25 PM
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the fact that dating apps exist is absolutely wild to me in that you have a direct link between capitalism and corporatization and the human gene pool. we're talking like the last time something this big influenced human genetics was probably WW2. i don't know how its been allowed, or how there is nothing sacred anymore. i don't mean religion, but we did not think to apply any importance to maintaining the homeostasis of our genetics, we instead gave all the power to sexual liberation, that you …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 01:21 PM
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thats a very fluffy word. it kind of creates a circular reasoning, "why are people having trouble connecting? because they weren't compatible. why were they not compatible? because they were having trouble connecting."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:23 PM
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right, people dont even need a bad relationship they could have just had parents who abandoned them or what have you. attachment theory is growing in popularity but i think anyone pursuing a relationship should learn how they are being insecure or manipulative, and what a secure attachment looks like. hypervigilance and picking people apart for negative attributes are just different symptoms of insecurity. i think theres also an echo chamber effect, especially when you look at how many feminist …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:19 PM
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god i hate that false dichotomy though, many people assume you must belong to the left or the right and adhere to their philosophies, but even here we defy many left wing stereotypes on this sub. i think theres room to say we should treat boys and men with dignity and respect and we can take the time to hear out their concerns and allow, at all times, for dissenting opinions, no matter the topic or who is oppressed by who. well to them its not just taking airtime away from women, but in addition…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 03:34 AM
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i believe women rely more on internal factors while men often need external change. it wasn't until i was repeatedly rejected that i was even aware that my appearance was poor, because i didn't base that on what i saw in the mirror, the only thing i was sensitive to was how people treated me. a lot of people say this is the reason that cognitive behavioral therapy 'works better for women than men'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 02:38 PM
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he picked a really poor example, the conversation was kind of derailed by that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:23 AM
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do u really believe that it was more acceptable to fat shame men? ive never noticed this before as a person who has been overweight for most of my life. i endured a lot of fat shaming and like i really dont care about the comments or anything but the shame in my body prevents me from pursuing intimacy. i feel like it would just be cope to pretend i wasn't bothered by it. i did lose a lot of weight through keto and was at a reasonably healthy weight for a while, now im on a medication that has ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:21 AM
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i dont like that OP specified penis size as being an immutable trait, there are better examples and i think it led the conversation down the path of "penis size doesnt matter"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:09 AM
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these people ended up killing themselves most of the time unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 11:07 AM
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well its a false dilemma, just claiming its absurd isnt enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 08:29 AM
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i think you misread my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 04:02 AM
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ya this is actually why a native american girl i was dating decided to break up with me. didn't really matter to her that i wasn't from money. all people are different people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 03:26 AM
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i think abusive relationship is putting it lightly. that financial abuse is a feature that isn't brought up enough imo. colonizer, shitty white man, mediocre white man, once tried slitting my throat and screaming that Marx wanted the subalterns to kill the parasites, meaning whites, meaning me i fucking hate this rhetoric. first of all origin fallacy, there is no logic therein to claim that white men inheret fault from european settlers. second we have here a false eqvivalence, equating whites w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 03:16 AM
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idk if its a problem unique to this sub, honestly a lot of people are more persuaded by pathos than logos.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 03:05 AM
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this isnt how deduction works at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:02 AM
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you mistake curtness for laziness. victim complex, etc etc, self fulfilling prophesy, etc etc you just restated the defining qualities of the just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:31 PM
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transmen are our brothers, and i definitely stand in solidarity with transmen. although i do wish there was some space for a caveat. there are trans men who actively deny the problems that men face and use their identity as proof. i do not think that transmen can be perfect representatives of cismen and our experiences are not always entirely aligned, but i choose to focus on where we are aligned. i do believe many transmen suffer from bias and discrimination in many of the same ways as cismen, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 10:12 PM
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so water is wet basically.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 07:17 AM
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just world fallacy, etc etc, confirmation bias, etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:13 AM
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dating throughout human history up until like 100 years ago was almost always arranged marriage / matchmaking through friends and family, which honestly takes a lot of stress off the whole thing, and a lot of people think that it's such a miserable thing 'you're being shackled to a stranger for the rest of your life and you have to pretend to like them", while neglecting that as a couple they will most likely already have an established place in a community. this whole thing where we do a cold a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 07:12 AM
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circumcision aka systematic genital mutilation is one of the topics i believe should be at the forefront of info we need people to learn about and be called to action from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 11:41 PM
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men are afraid of being labeled a creep because its dehumanizing and almost all women believe they belong to a lower caste of men that must be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:39 PM
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its a cataclysmic change and highlights the gynocentric view of our so called “patriarchal” society
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:53 PM
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and in the 1960s 90% of young adults were married
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:49 PM
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we appreciate your solidarity with us cissy boys
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/24 04:59 PM
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you could say the opposite as well, not every ugly person is getting in a relationship. you are also simplifying poor genetics into ugliness which is just one feature. what used to be considered extremely valuable was immunity to disease, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:02 PM
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this isnt true there is a known history of human tribes that required the alpha to pass on their genes for the survival of the tribe. adaptive selection was very much so an important part of humans evolutionary biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 09:59 PM
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your argument relies on fallacy after fallacy. read a book on rhetoric before you waste peoples time with this shotgun argumentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 05:31 PM
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see i don't think that people are apathetic about those things they just don't have a way to interact or change those systems in a representative government that ignores public opinion. for instance you can be concerned about the over use of solitary confinement and feel compelled to help those people but not have a way to do so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/24 04:43 PM
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and just to add, the likely reason that people on average have less empathy for men and boys is due to an amalgamation of maternal bonding and male intimidation, people are more likely to have a stronger connection with their mother then their father, and more likely to be intimidated by a man then a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/24 04:38 PM
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Most likely they have other interpersonal issues this is assuming again that they are at fault. we've gone this far in the conversation without even mentioning genetic determinism, probably the most influential aspect of someones social market value, which they have 0 control over. they might just have unappealing genetics and no matter the social skill, how much they put themselves out there, or how much they work on themselves. This is why I strongly think a lot of the guys here need to just g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 04:01 PM
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ya this is a fun straw man argument, you get to improvise an obviously fallacious argument and attribute it to your opposition and pretend like they said it. pretty classic. where are these fabled people who think they should get whatever they want whenever they want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:29 PM
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right so heres the thing tho, people complain asking what they are supposed to do to be successful at dating, and people then give them advice on what to do to change it, and like you said they can only give you advice on variables you can control. but then many people make the mistake of thinking well the advice must be full proof so if they aren't successful in dating it is because they didn't follow the advice. it neglects that there are variables outside of your control and that there are tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:22 PM
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this is absolutely true, however, just because people think something doesn't make it true, rational, or morally correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:13 PM
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there are plenty of guys who have hit the gym, lost the weight, got the job, followed the advice, and built a foundation and yet they are still romantically unsuccessful. the just world fallacy is strong with this one. there's nothing all that complicated about "its more difficult to meet people in public then it used to be", and it's not exactly a theory seeing as there is plenty of data confirming that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:10 PM
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correllation =/= causation, thats a common misconception
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:06 PM
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it's honestly just that people think more fondly of women then they do men, it could be maternal bonding or male intimidation in general who knows. women good men bad that is the surface narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 03:04 PM
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there are so many women who will bend over backwards to fuck the top tier men. they will take all kinds of abuse for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:33 PM
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okay so you agree with me then, huge swaths of men don't have any standards at all beyond have two x chromosomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:29 PM
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this is an ad hoc ergo propter hoc, "its a rationale, therefore they must have a hidden motive." if you want to prove they have a hidden motive then fucking prove it then, don't pussyfoot around like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:24 PM
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nah i think theyre just mad about the gender war / dating scene bullshit. this is one of the ways that the extreme end act out. they want to ban porn, to keep people from masturbating, but its ultimately in the hopes that it would improve their perceived issues with men, gender war, dating scene, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:11 PM
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Not sure why it is always so depressing to learn how objectifying men's sexuality is excuse me what about my sexuality did you glean from a fucking music video, and what makes you think you can extrapolate that onto other people? get out of here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 01:03 PM
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yep, she started by committing adultery with another guy from her work, then i think as he started to find out she divorced him. i was 2 when the divorce was final (my sister was 6), she took custody, they sold the house, and split ways. i asked my mother many times why she thought it was appropriate to have a child with the man she was planning to divorce. i was never really allowed to have an opinion on the divorce i was just told it was for the best by my mom, and when i would see my dad he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:58 PM
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when i was in the second grade i recall one of the boys in the class, at recess, found a washed up magazine page blowing around in the wind. it was from a porno mag. we didn't really know what we were looking at. we definitely did not LIKE what we were looking at. but we knew that what we were looking at was naughty or wrong, which made it funny for some reason. so we kept it hidden under the jungle gym, and would show it to newcomers so we could all laugh at it all over again. we were all just …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:16 PM
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its not control its more like they have some reason to be angry at men and they think porn is the cause. maybe it is in some cases but personally doesnt resonate with me,.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:07 PM
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Secondly for most guys in the bottom 30% is meaningless effort, some wont get out of the bottom more like the bottom 60%. thanks OP this resonates with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 12:03 PM
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this is why 50 year old obese women with kids still have men lining up for them, you can watch youtube videos of it all day long.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:24 AM
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i don't think you understand the raw amount of dehumanization that men receive for those exact words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:22 AM
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thats the thing tho is women are more inclined to believe college is necessary for a fulfilling life, which is exactly why there are more women than men in college. they see a man without education and they assume (possibly correctly i dont know) that they will be the breadwinner. my parents were in this situation, mother was educated and became the breadwinner, decided my dad was dead weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:10 AM
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the ironic bit is that research into this very topic has found that "tingles" typically lead women into less fulfilling, and less long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:08 AM
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its a white womans instagram
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:00 AM
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it kinda does mean that tho, seeing as them not being available, and yet you keep choosing them anyways. thats just settings yourself up for failure. keep choosing unavailable men by all means. women always complain about men not being emotionally available and every time its their own fault. same with waiting for sparks or butterflies and judging the merits of a relationship on the absence of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 02:21 AM
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just world fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 11:24 AM
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honestly the right infrastructure to accept autistic people into the fold could help a lot, i'm sure theres a way for society to condone and facilitate dating with autistic people,
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:47 AM
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yes autistic men and women are 10x more likely to date each other than a neurotypical person
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 10:40 AM
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youre a fucking idiot, get off the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 07:40 AM
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natural selection specifically refers to death limiting specific traits in the gene pool. sexual selection is different because since early deaths are not wiping out specific traits within the gene pool, they can only be filtered out through not reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:48 AM
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humans are not really beholden to natural selection, we are sexually selective instead. let’s just keep doing whatever has been working so far what you don't understand is that we haven't been doing just one continuous method of selection. "it is what it is" "whatever happens is what is supposed to happen" "it happened so therefore it is justified"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:31 AM
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choose better usually means don't choose the same man that 10 other women are currently pursuing and he isn't paying attention to you. so its quite the opposite of what you are insinuating. the better phrase is "get out of your own way"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:22 AM
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I prefer to continue doing what has worked so far, even if I don’t understand what that is this sentence is priceless
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:17 AM
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"it happens so therefore its justified"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:15 AM
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except that has nothing to do with what im saying. for what reason is it justified to dehumanize and categorize people in such a way, just because you find them suspicious or want them to go away?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 04:09 AM
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can you not read mfer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:25 PM
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i understand that its important for them to be sexually selective, but that doesn't mean it's okay to dehumanize us or believe that we are some how lower or less than. there are no such thing as "creeps" they are human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 08:11 PM
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big doubt. what so acknowledging that testosterone makes you easily aroused and that men are more inclined to pursue sex is a humble brag? men are clearly capable of self control and restraint and i very highly doubt you have seen a man brag about not having restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:12 PM
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theres a very simple reason that men are hardwired to avoid promiscuity, its called paternal fraud. women who are sleeping around a lot could land you with a kid that isnt theres. there is a statistic, not sure how reliable it is, but as many as 30% of fathers dont know that they are raising another mans child. the marry vs fuck thing is also not a standard of male sexuality or our selection process. another thing is that women tend to avoid men who are only interested in their looks the same wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 04:05 PM
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autistic men are human too. we aren't demanding girlfriends, we just want you to stop treating us like a lower caste of human, like we are 'creeps' who belong to be lumped in with all the kinds of unsavory people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:26 PM
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The term has such flexibility it's often said that the only requirement in believing in legal and/or social equality for women, which is a mainstream position, seemingly inducting the majority of people into 'feminism', in the same way we are apparently all inducted into patriarchal ways of thinking by socialisation in a 'patriarchal' culture. what is this sentence even.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 05:29 AM
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i gotta thank you guys for delivering A+ content, just back to back to back. this is really great content. i always try to remind people the surgeon general of the US has labeled the loneliness epidemic his primary health concern for all americans, and i do not think that enough people have taken that seriously enough.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 05:25 AM
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there is no gendered labor thats adorable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 05:21 AM
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reminds me of how they were trying to use assault statistics vs bear attack statistics to justify the man vs bear thingie we all enjoy so much. they just didn't comprehend that people encounter men way more then they encounter bears. they have a big issue with confirmation bias with statistics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 05:17 AM
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as they say, on the internet i have never understood this argument or how one falls for this type of logic. as though real life and the internet are mutually exclusive from each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:08 AM
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What current feminism lacks is the ability to admit the mistakes and to hold a more nuances discussion i have found this to be absolutely correct in my experience. dissenting opinions are very often not allowed. there is groupthink and a dogma that requires adherence and conformity. this is inherently problematic. its also important to remember that just because someone is a feminist or argues a typical feminist talking point doesn't mean that they are necessarily incorrect. and thats the point,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 03:07 AM
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patriarchy is an invisible hand argument. "somewhere there is a club of boys controlling the world through gender conformity". and then you say well most of the world leaders are men, most of the politicians are men, most of the CEO's are men, therefore we are governed by a patriarchy. what this fails to understand is that these people are not in power because they have a penis. they are in power because they have money or represent the interests of moneyed people. we live in an oligarchy that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 02:49 AM
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my problem is when feminism chooses to make patriarchy their villain, creating a very clear paradigm of men vs women, and often results in mens voices being silenced so that womens voices can be amplified, particularly in higher education and politics. i believe egalitarianism and feminism are inherently incompatible for this reason. if egalitarianism is your goal than dont attribute it to womens rights activism, call it egalitarianism. i could just as soon say that patriarchy is congruent with …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 01:26 AM
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i agree that homogeneity just keeps things simple, its easier to belong among people who are similar to you. diversity is great and there are many intellectual advantages to diversity, and intellectually people really can be whoever they want to be. but human culture has run into a very damaging thing where we make the mistake of thinking we are not beholden to the natural world, that we are not animals, and that our biology does not rule us. i think something desperately missing in our culture …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 10:29 PM
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yes, it is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. "no real man would ever X". i think this is very related, somehow, to the sexual selection process that women use to sort out the best possible mates. the rest become "creeps", "bad men", and their hair trigger assessments are justified by their egg cells being finite and requiring significantly more investment. women do not just have the right to excommunicate men, they have a biological imperative to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 10:16 PM
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at least she gets that men don't want to be seen as success objects. i can agree with that the paradigm of sex objects / success objects should be avoided. i think feminism villainizing patriarchy created a paradigm where women with a voice = good and men with a voice = bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 10:13 PM
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and based on what do you assume thatnot being lovable has to do with "lacking something"? if the definition changes from person to person that would render your original statement useless, pointless, and obsolete.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:51 PM
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your rhetoric is deeply, deeply flawed. "they quoted X statistic therefore they can be objectively categorized as Y" , thats just a reverse ad hominem dumbass. It's not, at all. this isn't even a complete sentence, come back to me when you can articulate an actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:45 PM
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ya i'm not using the word hypergamy incorrectly, you are just making yourself look like a dumbass. furthermore it is not my 'belief' that culture is not an indicator of evolutionary biology, it is that it is impossible to draw any conclusions on human evolutionary biology from cultural factoids. they are non-adjacent concepts. sexual dimorphism is very high among chimpanzees and bonobos, and moderate among gorillas, so your statement that humans are different due to sexual dimorphism is not base…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:39 PM
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"dudes here" i am one person, my opinions are not representative of any group or class of people, and neither are yours. btw its called evolutionary biology, which humans are, surprise, not exempt from
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:24 PM
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i mean its fairly simple, better genes = better survival. hypergamy is just a function of egg cells being very finite and pregnancy + child birth are very big investments and potentially very lethal, vs sperm cells being extremely available and requiring minimal investment and child birth won't kill them. According to evolutionary psychologists, it was important for early humans to pass on alpha male genes because they provided an evolutionary advantage. Alpha males, characterized by their physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 07:51 AM
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worldly cultures and recorded history are not indicative of our evolutionary biology, not even close. evolution takes extremely long periods of time. we are still running on cave people software, and there are objectively known qualities about our evolutionary biology that we can identify through the scientific method. one of those known qualities is that humans are natively hypergamous. just like most other species of mammals, including the great apes, it is of the utmost importance that the “a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 11:09 PM
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genetic determinism is very misunderstood in the dating debate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 11:01 PM
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if you think that hypergamy is not the natural state of human sexuality then you are ignorant of fundamental human biology. in the human genome, only 1 man has reproduced for every 17 women. this is not necessarily a bad thing it just is incongruent with monogamy which most people still claim they desire in todays world. edit : since u/theautismpill is going to reply to me and block me so i cannot reply to them : women's choice to flock to 'high value men' you are incorporating the arguments you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:48 PM
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what do you need to learn to be lovable?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:42 PM
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so this is the thing tho is people still say they want monogamy, but then 80% of women are fighting over 20% of guys. we are naturally hypergamous but we either need to decide to go one way or the other, because trying to do this forced hybrid thing is fucking awful. personally im just more used to the world where 90% of the population was married than the world where only 1 in 17 men pass on their genes. and even in a hypergamous society everyone still has an important place in the community, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:27 PM
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ya its not very complicated. i think what the research had found a correlation in was that “exciting” relationships were much more volatile then “boring” relationships. ive known a lot of girls who just start trouble in the relationship to make it more interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:03 PM
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yep. the “icks” and “spark” or “butterflies” are all feelings that wont necessarily lead you to the person you should be with. these assessments often mislead people from healthy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:23 PM
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nah pearl is just an opportunistic idiot
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:59 AM
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its also just how they expect you to act, not even necessarily how u actually behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:56 AM
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nobody married rich for survival im sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 05:53 AM
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seeing a sentiment repeated doesnt make it any more or less valid. i think there is some truth in that a pot of women are not always forthcoming or even necessarily know what they want
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 01:02 AM
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gotta love rich white women shedding their white guilt by telling everyone they are oppressed for being a woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 08:15 PM
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yes the “default” genital mutilation of men in the US boggles my mind, you would have to be utterly insane to look into this issue and come out thinking its okay and should continue, regardless of your creed or religion. i feel like a literal part of me was brutally hacked off for basically no reason, it reduces the chance of UTIs supposedly?????? i have said for a while tho that approaching it as a “mens rights issue” makes you seem bigoted automatically to them. we have to start using language…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/24 07:26 PM
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the one that caught me off guard was laziness. that might be my weakness. damn i guess im just a media brained shill.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/24 04:45 PM
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in a way lying is very much so a part of human nature. there's a belief in japanese culture that the truth is the only way to progress forward, and i think that is poignant. avoiding the truth stalls progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 10:03 PM
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i think you would be surprised how much honor and integrity are prized elements of masculinity. my father instilled in me that the most important thing above all else is the truth. OP is also incorrect in so far that women *report* that having a strong sense of moral character is one of the leading attractive traits in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:09 PM
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ethos pathos logos
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:36 PM
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i think its dangerous to assume only other people shut off their minds. it's a normal behavior that throughout the day your mind is having to decide what is worth thinking about and what isn't worth thinking about. what is worth remembering. people have a way of avoiding sources of information that can threaten their worldview, whether it is positive or negatively effecting it. for instance, im a big movie nerd, and i will specifically avoid watching a movie i know will be good because i need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:35 PM
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ethos pathos logos. emotions and logic are not congruent with each other. a lot of argument in the gender war tends to make appeals to emotion rather than appeals to logic, probably because it is a lot more effective. it requires active discrimination to think logically and dispassionately.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:29 PM
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i always try to view it from a biological point of view rather than a cultural one. being concerned of paternal fraud is built into mens genetics. we don't get the benefit of pushing out a child ourselves, it is much more difficult for a women to mistake someone elses child for their own. we essentially have had to rely on the integrity of the mother, and her reputation for promiscuity, to determine whether a child is ours. i think thats why promiscuity is repulsive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:23 PM
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egalitarian feminist is based feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 02:56 AM
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ya man i barely have enough time to eat i can't fucking have a hobby of digging up dead bodies so i can fuck them in the night i don't have the energy for that shit. probably about as enjoyable as fucking an armchair. i think something like 40% of the population of both men and women have paraphilias that would be illegal to act out, but few of them ever actually do. it's like saying women with rape fantasies would want to get raped.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/24 04:58 AM
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on god
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:13 AM
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disagree with us? jail, immediately
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:12 AM
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r/conservative and the feminist subreddits like r/AskFeminists r/TwoXChromosomes etc are the only subreddits that routinely block anyone with a dissenting opinion or without flairs, and for the latter they will straight up delete your comments if aren't a women and aren't explicitly feminist. they think that they can just block and ignore half the globe and pretend like that is the righteous path, moreover that the people they are blocking and ignoring should be eradicated and are morally bankru…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:08 AM
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advice to women : just be yourself advice to men : be better, you need to change
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 06:02 AM
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i do believe that there is either a cultural or genetic phenomenon that makes it easier to accept the death and disposability of men, particular young men 18-35. i am certain that there is evidence that people take the death of women more seriously, and evidence of a genetic hard wiring to protect women and keep them from dying, especially fertile women. its as simple as egg cells are much more valuable and require much more investment than sperm cells. its why we have never had a draft for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:58 AM
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its not that women become ugly and useless at 35, its that past the age of 35 pregnancies are at a much higher risk, and some even consider it irresponsible to knowingly have children who will not only have greater health risks as a fetus, but as a newborn and through adulthood. fertility starts dropping dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:40 AM
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the avoidant people are the most difficult for me because they often deny their neglectful childhoods and are verbally disconnected from their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:26 PM
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well developed personality is just another way to say bloated ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:58 PM
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i think its a mixed bag. some support sex workers, some consider it oppressive, some consider it immoral. i think the “get a prostitute” advice is mostly to loser nobody’s who cant pull anybody and “aren’t owed sex”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:18 AM
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" It sucks that so many women are so passive and just coast through life"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:59 AM
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well not just desirable, but the secure partners are the first to leave the dating pool. half of the population makes secure attachments, the remainder have insecure attachment styles. secure partners can make insecure people into secure partners. so once u start getting older there wll be fewer and fewer secure partners in the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:55 AM
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because women consider the bottom 80% of men below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:47 AM
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i can't tell if its subtle, but lets not pretend we haven't seen women without makeup on and know whether we are attracted to it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:53 PM
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men literally could give a shit about eyebrows as long as they're not bricks of fur
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:49 PM
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is it really that hard for you to understand that we dont like makeup, even on girls who aren't models
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:44 PM
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"you're not allowed to just exist, you gotta make our shareholders more money!"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:23 PM
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men have all opportunity in this regard? what regard are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:23 PM
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that is a non sequitor
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:20 PM
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ya capital gains and investments are real. private ownership, wage labor, and the market economy are all coded into law, individual liberties, property rights, and limited government are some of the fundamental reasons we have a constitution and bill of rights in the first place. you can argue that it is a social construct but it is represented in law, it is an overt practice lauded by our economy and government alike, it is explicitly consequential to our daily lives in tangible ways through mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 11:11 PM
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you're giving men a bad look here, can you at least pretend to espouse an ideology for intellectual reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:22 PM
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your language is wildly rude and presumptuous, as always. why assume that her husband was to blame for the "contention", why choose to be insulting and tell her that by disagreeing with you she is "giving in" to the red pill? it's clear that you made this post just to harass people and be divisive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:20 PM
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this is an appeal to commonality. this type of rhetoric is unhelpful regardless of what team ur on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:14 PM
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im not sure why people seem to think the [Blue Pill] is gospel, why it is the "objective reality" of the world. it's not hard to take it with a grain of salt when your experiences actively challenge this belief. see how unhelpful this rhetoric is. you ask them why they believe what they do and instead of responding to why they adhere to an ideology, you just call them stupid for endorsing it. it makes 0 sense. why are you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:11 PM
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you're being intentionally reductive. how many times a day do you rely on straw man arguments. "no theyre clearly lying, their true beliefs must be that they support (insert incredibly offensive thing)"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 07:04 PM
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i think you don't understand the point of ideology, you seem to conflate it with parroting and virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:57 PM
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what makes you justify this kind of behavior aside from the internet affording you anonymity. talk like this to people face to face and there might be social repercussions, much less any social rewards. the whole point of argument is to seek a consensus, you are here just to create more polarization.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:53 PM
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so you are here arguing out of bad faith clearly. you aren't interested in why someone would disagree with you, you'd rather just throw ad hominem insults at people and feel proud of yourself. how vainglorious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:51 PM
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"the way things are" no one here is the arbiter of the truth, you are not enlightened with some higher knowledge. it is an important rhetorical lesson that the only way to confirm the truth of a claim is to first refute it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:47 PM
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this is neither here nor there. a persons character cannot be used as evidence for a claim, whether that persons character is deduced from their actions, or their words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 06:44 PM
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well, so heres the thing. there's traditional gender roles. and then theres hypergamy that is hardwired in our dna. in the human genome we know that historically, for every man that reproduced, so did 17 other women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 06:31 PM
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"none of them fall for the WAWE" this is a fundamental misunderstanding, women have a in group bias, we have the research that very clearly shows this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 06:27 PM
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to be fair its a subconscious bias, although they could do better to police themselves i dont think its any individuals fault. they probably justify hating men by thinking of men as 'the patriarchy'. they create this boogeyman that makes it so however well theyre doing as a person they would be doing so much better if not for that darn patriarchy. of course the patriarchy isn't anything tangible or obvious that you can point to. they can't name the members or the caste or any real world event th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 06:22 PM
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it's also just a false dichotomy plain and simple. false dilemma also works.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:34 AM
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stalking laws actually do make it illegal to humiliate or cause emotional harm to someone. although secretly its only supposed to be used in the defense of women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:32 AM
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yea the rhetoric has been largely unhelpful i think. i think there were a lot of progressive men who were there to support women in their moment and have since been turned off or turned away due to this harmful rhetoric. ithink maybe its cathartic for some of these women to have these irrational frustrations, i see the same thing with the radicals on team men. theyve been hurt and neglected, god knows we all have, but they decided to let this irrational anger come out to soothe themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:27 AM
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you're wrinkling my brain
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:10 AM
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mans got the fax machine working over here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:09 AM
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looks like a terf and sounds like a terf.... it might be a terf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:08 AM
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"what, support men? does not compute. she must have ment trans women. there i fixed it."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:06 AM
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it is discouraging to me that the hateful voices don't seem to be dismantled from within, they are mainstream within the movement. it would be different if they were the silent minority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:03 AM
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I mention to a cis feminist friend that I don’t think it’s cool to use “neckbeard” as a pejorative. this is something i've waited a long time to see. i've always hated this double standard that it always has to be ad hominem attacks, attacking physical traits you cannot control no less. thank you for taking the time and diligence to make this post this was a much needed reprieve.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 02:00 AM
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that was in excess of their first and foremost rule, don't be a man, so don't take it too seriously. just remember that they say these things because they don't like you but it would be to direct and simple to just say that so they have to be obscure and confusing instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 01:21 AM
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i was on a date last year where the entire time she kept commenting on how i was probably a serial killer or that i stalk women, or my friends are waiting in a van around the corner waiting to kidnap her etc etc and like im cool with meeting you in a public space in a well lit area and all that no problem with me, but this treatment honestly just kinda hurt. i didnt even know how to respond to this shit. wish there was a movement or a subreddit where men and women came together in solidarity wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 01:19 AM
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thats the thing tho is that their headspace is so fucked up and backwards that they are self aware but play dumb. they know theyre being irrational and they dont care, the only person they care about is themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 01:05 AM
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iwas thinking they were just answering it whatever way would piss off men the most. trying to 1 up men in the gender war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 01:02 AM
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soon as i heard that accent i knew it was about to be real
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 01:01 AM
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this is really great evidence of how important reading comprehension is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:56 PM
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i like how u weaponize a literal biological trait that women have, the part of their brain for socializing is literally just bigger, that would be like saying female athletes arent as disciplined or determined because they dont perform as well as male athletes. you dont seem to have a strong grasp on how statistics work: correlation is not causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:29 AM
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youre arguing with a straw man, im over here. i think youd be surprised how much genocide and exploitation of the working class has to do with the inversion of the age pyramid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 11:12 PM
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true. thanks for the tl;dr.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 11:05 PM
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no kidding
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 02:22 PM
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i also want to read the methodology cause id like to see if its considered that a lot of men dont go to the doctor as often and try to deal with things themselves. if they are basing the numbers based on how many people seek care it could be slanted. i also felt like their synopsis was a misrepresentation of the data on the chart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 07:36 AM
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i like how they break the scale down into 3 subsections. the first symptom of male supremacy is disagreeing with them. the second somehow blames men for infidelity committed by women. and the third is a gross reduction of what is largely true based on what we know about the human genome itself, that humans are naturally hypergamous. i don't understand what any of this actually has to do with male supremacy. i would say thinking women are inferior, incompetent, or unintelligent and such would be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 05:43 PM
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it seems to be one of their primary hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 03:23 PM
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look its all about paternity fraud. men are hard wired to avoid promiscuous women specifically to avoid paternal fraud. you do not know who your kid is you dont get the privilege to push it out yourself amd you just have to trust the words of another person, until you get a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:37 PM
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i dont think u necessarily have a strong grasp of the male condition. for starters many men will refuse to pay for sex myself included. ur analogy with a bank robber in jail is about as much as a false equivalence as one could make. you act as tho uve discovered this equation for male behavior but it is pathetically off mark. desiring multiple partners or group sex is a common sexual FANTASY for both men and women alike. statistically women cheat more in long term relationships while men are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:10 PM
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jesus, the men who are cheating on u are the ones you are chasing after because everyone else is also chasing after them, so they can afford to not care about u or give u their undivided attention, much less monogamy. if monogamy is what you want boring people make the best partners, and im not just making conjecture, that is what the science tells us. dont chase the spark, get out of your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:54 AM
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not just the bystander effect, the first thing i think of when i see a women getting trouble from a guy is that its a setup for them to rob me. i try to do my best to be a good samaritan.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 04:59 AM
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right like you kind of suggested and , what Rudman / Goodwin suggest is that it may have to do with maternal bonding which is a little more intimate i assume then parenting past infancy. i also think that it's possible feminism and general "girl power" attitudes can make one feel a sense of duty to or solidarity with ones gender, and that contributes i think in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:16 AM
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well they responded they way they did because they are presumably biased. but that is one specific study that marked the change to the previously accepted belief that there was a gender bias against women. the "women are wonderful" effect is also not really the main discourse, the more frequently used term is in-group-bias. there are a multitude of studies with data suggesting that women have an in group bias, and these aren't just surveys that directly ask their opinion outright. this is from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 02:02 AM
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its not a matter of conjecture, there is data to support this. wdym random? im not sure what to think personally. i've heard one of the reasons that men have a bias in favor of women is that men are competitive, or are more likely to see men as a threat. i think it isn't coincidence that women self report to be more happy in general then men, and trans women also note an improvement in their mood during hormone therapy. maybe we associate women with happiness more than we do men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:36 AM
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one of the causes is that women have an in group bias, and i've at least heard it explained that the reason for that is women are more likely to believe the statement "what is good for all women is good for me", not sure how true that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 01:33 AM
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whatever you gotta do to sleep at night
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:44 AM
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ya and i know, because you are a human, that you do actually care about how you appear to other people. clearly just lying to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 12:41 AM
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you as an individual, all you have are anecdotes. we know people are effected by the opinions of strangers on the internet or teenage girls wouldn't be killing themselves in such large quantities all of a sudden.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:38 PM
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saying u dont care how you appear to others is fundamentally a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:32 PM
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theres less marriage because people aren't adherent to religious philosophies anymore, less babies (in specific countries) for a number of reasons, maybe because of industrialization, maybe because of feminism, we really ultimately don't know. in the human gene pool 1 man reproduced for every 17 women. in science we know when animals are dimorphic, meaning male and female have polarized features, it indicates that the animal is naturally hypergamous. we know that prehistoric humans, which is wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:03 PM
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ya this is *not* true. but keep believing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:52 PM
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fun fact : you didn't. do you honestly think they were checking ur gender every time you cashed a check? do you think the women in the workforce were unpaid?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:40 PM
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it was because of religion mandating monogamy and villainizing sex before marriage. women made up 60% of the new jobs made in the 60s, and unmarried women often lived with families or in houses with other women. they were not economically or socially dependent on men regardless of the current feminist narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:34 PM
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90% of the population was married in the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:00 PM
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its also just not a good tactic to approach people, pretty much for anything. you also shouldnt be thinking that random strangers might make good partners. be in a place where u are in proximity with women thats all u gotta do. unfortunately if u are like me than that still wont be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:27 PM
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i actually prefer the word isolated. lonely sounds easily dismissable, or not a big deal. i feel socially isolated not just romantically but from my family, from my job, from my community, from government. really at every level. one thing i've learned is it's easy to socialize with other men in specific scenarios like with a given task or if theres a competition. team v team games act as an easy icebreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:39 AM
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we salute you for your service
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/24 01:29 AM
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its incredibly validating to hear people say this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/24 01:28 AM
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very much so a false comparison, you would probably have a more intersting discussion if your argument wasnt so foolhardy. we're not even entirely sure if porn and gaming are inherently harmful to minors. discussing how they might be harmful would get you a lot further.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 12:34 AM
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feminism is out here pushing movements like 4B in south korea and then turning around and trying to claim they are the cure all for any gender related issues including men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 07:05 PM
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99% of men masturbate. thats not 100%. that remaining 1% is notorious for having some kind of mental illness. also worth mentioning anti-masturbation movements like "nofap" are on the rise again. there was a period between like 2010-2020 where there was a lot of messaging to both men and women that it was totally okay to masturbate and that it was messed up for religion to manipulate and abuse people for exploring their bodies or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:52 AM
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women have a huge in group bias, this has been proven beyond reasonable doubt. they even believe other women are more competent and intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:51 AM
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you are making a lot of leaps in your narrative, and still blaming men for their own complaints. just world fallacy strikes again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:21 AM
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i feel like the primary element making it a shit show is the inversion of the age pyramid. old people shouldnt be outnumbering everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:28 AM
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ya never have paid for sex, keep up the mental gymnastics tho im sure youll take gold at regionals 🤸‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:25 AM
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you should ask a psychologist how healthy they think the men are who have never seen porn in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:17 AM
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exactly, it doesnt define a gender
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:14 AM
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its crazy how there are 4 billion men on the planet and ur struggling to comprehend that the male condition isn’t predefined.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:12 AM
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as a cis man i am very interested in what trans men have to offer the conversation. i try to be inclusive as much as i can
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 02:06 AM
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i feel like being easily upset by someones opinion is a character flaw
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 02:02 AM
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trans men have been very helpful for my outlook on the gender war.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 01:44 AM
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such a cope. you should see the huge quantities of apathetic men who dont engage in either video games or porn especially because people like you keep insisting to them that their issues are self inflicted and not a product of their environment. you sound like a psychologist from the 80s tryna tell people video games are making kids violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:39 AM
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that is neither here nor there. just because one statement is true, doesn't mean the reverse of the statement is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 08:05 AM
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i think the way you ask this question is going to mean a lot of different things to different people. thats the problem with categorical thinking like this. it's also not a dichotomy between MRA and gynocentrism. one is a concept first of all and the other is an activist group (or hate group depending on who you ask). there are going to be people who are involved in a masculine lifestyle and may be concerned with male issues who aren't MRA's, if only because MRA's are social pariahs or that they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/24 11:51 AM
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what u aren't connecting here is that the women showing me interest which is few and far in between mind you, have not been interested in monogamy. thats not to say that most women aren't interested in monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:45 AM
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what do you think i was trying to do. i didn't mention my method. besides common interests is actually a bad way, unfortunately you just have to take it where you can get it at this point. active pursuit and cold approaches do not work and really never have. i understand tha tyou just have to be in proximity and then you can hit it off. and im pretty good at flirting. i've successfully pulled women that were interested in hooking up but nobody wants to date or be monogamous. i dont care about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:58 AM
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i think this comes from this false belief that one is a part of a community of tens of thousands, or millions of people, which is fundamentally not how humans work, but thats essentially what modernity is forcing on to people. you now are forced to "meet" more people then you ever would have in your lifetime in the past, but those people aren't part of your community, theyre on a screen, or drive into the store you work at. they dont actually matter to you and will be gone in a few moments never…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:51 AM
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you want to elaborate on why thats good? or do you just enjoy making polarizing statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:41 AM
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te percentage of people meeting through friends and family has been on the decline for a long time. the fact is most people meet through online dating. but you misread my statement. the material of my statement was about the fear of social repercussions not that online dating was popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:38 AM
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see how you make it about identity. how would you possibly ever prove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:33 AM
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i think its interesting that you look at it through the lense of labor and industries. my first thought is biological, how will the physiology and psychology of men be effected by the disappearence of all women. i think cataclysmic is the right word to describe that. and as much as women say they are perfectly content being completely alone for the rest of their lives (give or take an all female freind group) i doubt very much so that they would not be cataclysmically effected by the disappearen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 09:15 AM
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women and men cannot survive without each other end of story. remember biology class? if all female dogs disappeared do you think dogs would be fine? tip top homeostasis? no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 08:56 AM
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im not sure theres conclusive data on “men not pulling their own weight”. i dont have a mind to do this but its similar to how men are expected to make more than their SO, its a traditional value that cant exist in modernity but we still expect it culturally. we still expect women to clean and cook and raise the kids despite that they are working full time. so if u dont like this double standard for women, i highly encourage you to also dislike the double standard for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:16 PM
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pretty sure theres a data point that men much prefer OLD to avoid the social repercussions of approaching a girl who doesnt want to be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:02 PM
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50% of women 25-45 will be single and childless by 2030
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:33 PM
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i want to help people who are in solitary confinement
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/24 08:13 PM
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yes we are literally okay with female equivalent of us, i’d be thrilled. its the women who arent okay with the male equivalent of them. i have lowered my standards to ground level ill date ugly chicks disabled chicks fat chicks whatever, i dont have the lixury of making a “safe bet”. women will not debase themselves ever. yes we are aware that women have an extreme advantage. i would assume that she could leave at any moment she decides she isnt satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:53 PM
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selective equality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/24 07:36 PM
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see i thought i was an above average guy, im tall, i have relatively pleasant facial features, have a decent job, i try to be a decent human being, i feel i am socially adept enough and can be funny and interesting. i dont even get a second glance from women. i even have isolated myself to only pursue ugly or overweight women, which i am perfectly fine with, nothing would make me happier then loving someone for their insecurities, or to calm their insecurities. i have been dramatically unsuccess…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:29 PM
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father had his own issues but my mother fought for full custody. she was also the one to initiate the divorce which he begrudgingly accepted. i dont say these things to defend him, he was a real piece of eexlll
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 02:37 PM
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i am decidedly not. my mother was the primary breadwinner in my house which drove my parents apart and is the primary reason i dealt with abandonment. she would work all day and sit me down in front of the tv before she would go to work as a toddler. i have a lot of memories of just not watching the tv or whatever movie she put on and i would enter a “collapsed” state to dissociate as much as possible to avoid the pain of abandonment. we keep trying to assume we are the masters of our own biolog…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:07 PM
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bruh beards. ur gonna disqualify anyone with a beard? ffs
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:00 PM
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who talks like this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:00 PM
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that seems like such an inconsequential thing. superficial if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 02:58 PM
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intelligence is also a feature that is valued in men, as well as male chimpanzees and gorillas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 05:49 PM
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u know ideology is fundamentally separate from identity
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:47 PM
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below average for men just means the bottom 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:43 PM
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or that women gave answers to “what is attractive in men” specifically designed to manipulate young men into behavior that improves wimens stature in the socual ladder. i bought into the “be soft and sensitive and in touch with yourself” thing just because of how ubiquitous the lesson was throughout the culture. i am still deprogramming myself and feel kind of devoid of masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:42 PM
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we need a reason for why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:38 PM
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i already specified the book, have fun reading back for that. you are making ad hominem attacks against the author instead of arguing against their claim which is substantiated by peer reviewed research. i highly recommend sitting in on a 4th grade class where you can learn about the scientific process.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:24 PM
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you can read the sources i gave a book to look up by a psychotherapist which is pulling from a series of research, sources contained. author is lori gotlieb. you can determine how sound the methodology is for yourself. the argument you dont know you are trying to make is saying this source is incredulous, or possibly that i am cherry picking evidence (texas sharpshooter fallacy) when there is a body of opposing evidence being neglected. in either case there isn't any logic or wholesome rhetoric …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:00 AM
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yep. i feel like the only possible argument here is that men and women are significantly different biologically so there is a bit of a false equivalence potentially. one of the types of dystopian writing i like are when u take an issue and push it to an extreme to see if it changes someones opinions? want to be pro life? heres a novel about people being forced to have frankenstein babies and dying at birth from the deformities of the skull.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:55 AM
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ur whole appeal is centered around describing the behavior of “blue pill men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:48 PM
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to avoid shame? i engage in tactics you might consider “toxicly masculine” and i may think its rational, but what you are doing here is making hasty generalizations that even if true are just an ad hominem attack on a persons character which isnt evidence of anything. ur just locking people in a kafka trap by claiming that they are purposefully machiavellian and ingenuous or arguing in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:32 PM
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ur right i did confuse that i dont even know how i did that. thanks for correcting me. the us surgeon general is who i was referring to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 02:23 PM
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its mostly just a synesthesia that is being falsely associated with “true” love and affection. the emotions described are most likely excitement, nervousness, or novelty. at least neurologically we think of oxytocin being the love neurotransmitter, which isnt typically associated with excitement or nervousness. what the author i am quoting said is that excitement is inversely proportionate to satisfaction and longevity of long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:17 PM
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thats the thing about science is its not “true” its just repeatable and demonstrable, and can eventually be proven false. if u want to read about what i am paraphrasing theres a great book called mr good enough which is written by a prolific couples therapist that talks about this, you may have heard of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:11 PM
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have fun being atomized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:06 AM
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yeah theres this thing called peer reviewed research ever heard of it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:05 AM
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well he is the US surgeon general and this isnt something new for him he has done a lot on this subject and i applaud his efforts unfortunately people just dont give a fuck. he has been very explicit that the social isolation epidemic is the most damaging prospect for the future of americans health, much worse than obesity, cancer, and fentanyl combined.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 09:59 AM
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i just read this as “mfers made their bed and now are sleeping in it”. fr tho all the discourse on whether male isolation is an issue and meanwhile the attorney general is making it his primary concern. not obesity, not substance abuse or fentanyl, nationwide social isolation is his primary concern for the physiological health of americans.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 09:56 AM
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sounds extraordinarily superficial. i would be kinda disgusted by the whole interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 09:53 AM
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i like ugly girls and fat girls because they are typically not trying to manipulate me or at least as much. i also have a strong desire to calm someones insecurities and that matters a lot to me. dating competitively is repulsive behavior imo. p.s. theres a significant amount of data suggesting waiting for “butterflies” or a “spark” or “tingles” leads to poor quality and unhealthy relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 09:50 AM
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solipsism, individualism, narcissism, yay
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 08:08 AM
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this is conjecture
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 07:50 AM
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the science is clear : the relationships with the most butterflies and “tingles” are very unsuccessful and unsatisfactory
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 07:32 AM
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see how u still are making hasty generalizations and ad hominem attacks “#notallmen yokels”. what kind of rhetoric is that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 06:57 AM
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yep i typically try to be as specific as possible and to avoid making statements that are hasty generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 06:55 AM
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not tryna speak for all men but i feel like this is a false conception. i do not believe there is a correlation between being younger and being uninterested in dating. hasty generalizations like this are very dangerous and harmful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:37 PM
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but u hear the hyperbole right
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:35 PM
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thats not the logical conclusion not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:00 PM
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what do you mean by centered
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:46 PM
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the crazy thing about this is in the 1960’s 90% of the population was married. we all remember this world where it was just expected of u to get married and have kids, and it was recent enough that we remember seeing it, where nearly everyone found a special someone. we accomplished that within the structure of religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:41 PM
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80% of young men wont approach women in public anymore for fear of possibly being seen as “creepy”, or maybe its to avoid being treated like you are disgusting. i dont know if anyone else has experienced this but i went on a date recently where not only did we have to stay in crowded, well lit areas, which im fine with. but she was constantly remarking on how i was probably going to kidnap her, or that i wanted to go over here so my friends would be waiting around the corner to grab her etc. lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:35 PM
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depends on the person but ive seen it happen. i think we all lose scope tho, its hard to take something like domestic abuse and talk about it in umbrella terms and large numbers. some cases are worse then others, a lot of cases are mutual, many cases dont come forward at all. supposedly just slamming the door or being violent with an inanimate object is considered abuse, and i dont object to that. but we have to refrain from the mental image of a big drunk burly man whaling on a little helpless …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:23 PM
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approximately half of all domestic abuse is mutual . theres also a disturbingly high correlation where women that are victims of abuse, who have children, end up abusing the kids. nothing about this is hopeful or helpful :(.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 08:10 PM
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last time they dropped the numbers 63% of men 18-35 are currently single and have been for at least a year. its not a perception issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:46 PM
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make slut shaming great again
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 07:42 PM
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the economy prospers with women in the workplace is just code for the oligarch overlords prosper with twice the workers at half the pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:52 PM
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it doesnt have to be malicious hypocrisy if its just a lack of self awareness, or self control. i think its just extreme narcissism and myopia.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:50 PM
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huge contributing factor. not to mention testosterone rates have been dropping dramatically across the population for decades. unfortunately at the end of the day women pursuing big career goals ultimately harms their ability to find a compatible partner. or you know, in the human gene pool for every man that reproduced, so did 17 women. so maybe we are just going back to our roots where 17 women share 1 ultra alpha male. fr tho its a conundrum, both men and women alike much prefer the man in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:41 PM
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i mean if you look over time men were becoming increasingly liberal from 1990 to 2010, before turning downwards, and that tracks for me for the most part, it wasn't until 2015 that feminism felt like it was in my face constantly. i actually dont think it is attributable to the ideologies but rather a polarization of groups across the board.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/24 05:12 AM
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man you like to put a whole lot of words in my mouth. never said anything about women needing to "cater to men". men decide when their choice becomes “narcissistic”, “against society”, and “without the consideration of others”. Do men and society now just magically know what’s best for women? i mean you pulled this one straight out of your ass. this is all an especially undignified choice of words and alludes to how much you are trying to intentionally misinterperet me. you even said "not societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 07:24 PM
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this is the thing tho, “women going for the men they want” is justified under self agency, the almighty individual is more important then the whole, be that family, community, or society at large. but its really just narcissism and solipsism to protect the private property of the rich, what u are saying is “individuals should be allowed to do whatever they want, regardless of how it effects other people.” this all goes back to edward bernays, charging people with self interest to “make them bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 06:51 AM
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another false equivocation. the probpem with this perspective is solipsism. the unit of measurement is not in individuals. individuals are not the building block of society, families are. as soon as women didnt need men anymore, society started collapsing, because the family structure has collapsed. this wasnt by mistake bernaysian capitalism was all about justifying greed on the terms that it made people better citizens, they designed people of all demographics to be as narcissistic and self gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 06:38 AM
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this is such a false equivocation
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 06:34 AM
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i never use the word lonely because it sounds absurd and childish, i use phrases like social isolation because people know even a week inside of an isolation tank is enough to traumatize someone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 07:56 AM
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i highly recommend learning about edward bernays, theres a really great documentary called “century for the self”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 04:39 AM
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wildly inaccurate many times women dont even know who the father is, men dont push out the child ourselves so we have always been beholden to the mother for the truth. and thats why the alpha male in a tribe was the only one allowed to pass on his genes and would control when that would happen and pick 5 females to get pregnant because the odds were that 4/5 would die. there are some communities in africa where there is “communal” parenting but that isnt at all how humans lived by and large. if …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 12:46 AM
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feminism sells itself as egalitarianism but thats egalitarianism. feminism is feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 10:31 PM
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boys are quirky is misandrist many of them openly admit to it, their whole thing is taking revenge on memes that might even slightly elevate me over women. they basically make fun of men for making fun of women and fail to see the irony.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 10:30 PM
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weirdly specific, interesting that i already described the accepted science on the matter but u still wanna make ad hominem arguments targeted at my personal character. there is no evidence recognized by behavioral science that men have a stronger libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 04:22 PM
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or maybe humans are hardwired to fuck and have kids and am just reacting normally to the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:03 PM
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why are u quoting a pew research study from 2014 when there are more accurate modern models. your conclusion is ill derived. also u are cherry picking the stat, its 45% of women 25-45 will be single and childless. to put that in persoective in the 60s 90% of the population was married and most all of them had kids. take what you want from it butt the trends are undeniable, the entire population is becoming increasingly atomized and isolated, and its not a good thing, there is a problem, and it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:55 PM
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ad hominem for days. who said i was lonely? in my comment i literally said nothing about myself. literally havent said anything about controlling women. sounds like ur the sick one for trying to win an argument by condemning someones personal character. open a book. read about rhetoric. but please god dont speak up again until you can orate responsibly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:48 PM
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i know man i struggle with it too, im angry and frustrated and i am fighting for people to hear us. people really just dont get it and want to be oppositional about every damned thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 02:29 PM
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this is maximum cope. the trends are 60 years old we have no reason to believe they will change in the next 60. just world fallacy is some type of way pretty much everyone with the exception of a small minority have been bred and raised to couple with someone and get married and have kids, the polls say that most people intend to marry and have kids, now suddenly most people arent or having kids. if u think there arent any issues in dating good for u, would u mind keeping it to urself tho cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:58 PM
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gee look how easy it is to disregard an argument through complete conjecture and nothing else, what a fun way to abuse my ability to orate on a public forum. ill take from ur hostility that you are shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:44 PM
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oh is that what it is, that makes more sense
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:44 PM
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so tired of hearing this misconception, according to the psychology men do not have a stronger libido, rather they are ready for sex at any time. women are primed for sex during ovulation only. this is almost ubiquitous throughout the mammalian kingdom. the data on the subject is very clear, casual sex does not make people less isolated, women who are chronically alone suffer health consequences comparable to smoking a pack a day. humans need other humans regardless of gender, when did people fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:42 PM
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despite what you may have heard the science suggests that women who are alone suffer health consequences similar to smoking a pack a day. when women say they dont need men and are happy single its 100% cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:36 PM
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ya ur not thinking through the machine at all, u just want to attack my statement to protect your own ego. so let me spell it out for u. 50% of men in relationships with a women who out earn them have erectile disorder. women are hardwired to seek a “provider”, and the stats show that no matter how much money they are making, they want a partner with more money then them. men also want to have more money then their partner. so if one is going to argue about issues in dating and what solutions th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:32 PM
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why should young men take advice from feminists who loathe them you realize redpill isnt about hating women its about mens rights n shit, obviously redpillwomen is just women who agree that men suffer from systematic issues that we have the ability to adress. theres nothing to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:10 PM
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yes men bad, women good. are you starting to understand?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 12:41 PM
2

sexlessness in marriages is wildly unhealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:30 PM
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men will always care about promiscuity its literally in our genes its not some individual case or cultural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:28 PM
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its literally hard wired into men to avoid promiscuous women. two words : paternal fraud. 30% of fathers dont know the kid they are raising isnt theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:25 PM
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women say the same thing about guys
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:23 PM
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the whole “he isnt holding up his half of the house work” stat about sexless marriages only accounts for a very small minority, it is far from being even a main cause of sexless marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:22 PM
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the evidence 100% points to women being their own source of misery
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:20 PM
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nah women are the ones with dark violent thoughts during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:20 PM
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we either need to decide that women shouldnt pursue careers or women need to be able to value men for something other than money. the latter will never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:56 AM
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no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:51 AM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:51 AM
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ya we either need to decide women shouldnt be breadwinners or that men dont have a responsibility to be providers. unfortunately the human genome will never allow for the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:50 AM
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people are really quick to judge when this is a phenomenon that is happening on a scale of tens or hundreds of millions of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:46 AM
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thats called a hasty generalization btw. so then why are women becoming increasingly isolated also? the loneliness epidemic disproportionately effects young men, but its a problem for everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:42 AM
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but the loneliness epidemic is effecting them too. by 2030 45% of women aged 25-45 will be single and childless. in the 60s 90% of the population was married. to pin this on fat loser manchildren and walk away from it is kinda a gross misjudgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:41 AM
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its not just a male loneliness epidemic tho it just disproportionately effects men. everyone can see the trends. by 2030 45% of women 25-45 will be single and childless. the surgeon general has made statements that this epidemic is his primary concern for the HEALTH of american citizens. to shrug it off is very short sighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:38 AM
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right the people who are hiding in safe spaces are the people who are critical of feminism, makes a lot of sense
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:30 AM
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men who are involuntarily celibate have a rate of autism 30x higher then avg. im sorry but the phrasing of it tends to blame people for not being socially adept, i mean women literally have a brain that is better designed to socialize. but the whole women have energy and men need women to suck it away from… complete bullshit. anyone who thinks that women dont need men or men dont need women just take economic prosperity for granted and are dissociated from the natural world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:24 AM
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in the 60’s 90% of the population was married. this is a problem that disproportionately effects men, but the numbers still dont look good for women. by 2030 45% of women will be single and childless. for nearly every sexless 25 year old man who has put in the work but still cant seem to find someone, there will be a single childless women 20 years down the line. just based in the numbers alone it isnt an incompatibility issue, there are people out there who are compatible but remain single due …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:11 AM
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ya the message is pretty clear, yall dont need men. you dont need me thats fine, im gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:57 AM
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well any rape story is a blemish on all men by certain groups. unfortunately we are finding that rapists may have a genetic predisposition determining their behavior, or at least there is a correlation. wouldnt be surprising as rape fantasy is also very common among women, its possible that this fantasy is genetic considering thats how early humans copulated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 08:51 AM
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ad hominem arguments are when someone tries to use your personal character to prove a point. if they call you an incel then u can at least know that what they are saying isnt reasonable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 08:50 AM
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ya thats the past place i would want to take someone home from too
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:18 AM
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hard pass
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:16 AM
1

ya gendered language is some bullshit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/24 02:21 PM
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its a little bit more intense tho i mean its fairly dystopian this no no no no thing
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:37 AM
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lets watch the world burn then, i call their bluff
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:36 AM
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men are supposed to be the providers, and women are supposed to make this whole thing worthwhile. we are now witnessing as the contract isnt being fulfilled on both ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 10:42 AM
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male contraceptives are just a way of putting another burden on the pack mule. “if u dont microwave ur scrote are you even egalitarian????”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 09:57 AM
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most vasectomies arent easily reversible
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 09:56 AM
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jesus christ the double standards keep adding up
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 09:55 AM
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yerp. i think a small cohort of women, maybe 15-20% fear codependency with men and are fearful/dismissive avoidant. it would explain why they are so dismissive and traumatized, they then infect sympathetic women with a tendency for interpersonal victimhood
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/24 04:33 AM
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i think it had something to do with all of these activist movements converging on feminism as a cure all for society. they don't see how they specifically poise women as the heroes and men (the patriarchy) as the villains. and this is aligned in all of their values. overweight women who are 50 years old still get infinite attention on dating apps while attractive men with good jobs get maybe 3 or 4 matches over multiple months of use. i think women just don't actually need men anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 10:02 PM
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jesus thats rough
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 09:56 PM
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i understand the cold approach doesn't work but you have to agree its getting increasingly more difficult to just "be around women" long enough to jive together. working from home, the high cost of just being out in public, the increasing economic stress. at my work there are no women available, it is mostly men and a few of their girlfriends. do i gotta join a yoga class where i will more than likely not even get an opportunity to talk with other people there?? everywhere you go people arre jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:20 PM
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but u gotta agree that large and by the recommendation most men get when they are single for a long time and are like "what gives" people tell them to get money get fit get better. not even the double standard but the hypergamy is real too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:13 PM
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its a pretty crazy time to be alive when men have been alone for so long that it has gone from its cause they are ugly and live with their mom to they must be a porn addict. lol. no personally i empathize with your situation, i am really not a porn guy, when i watch it its just vanilla crap and it is ultimately not very satisfying. but it took me a very long time to end up in a relationship and i quickly discovered that i was conditioned to watching porn more so than having sex, and thats not be…
/r/RedPillWomen22/03/24 02:56 PM
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nailed it.
/r/RedPillWomen22/03/24 02:52 PM
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yes! this is a great book. love her and the things she has to say. basically by trying too hard to weed out people, you are going to weed out all the people that would have been better relationships further down the line.
/r/RedPillWomen22/03/24 02:49 PM
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communicating outside of real life is going to miss a lot of important things. theres this neuroscientist that was talking about this it isn't just body language, when you are in proximity of a person your neurotransmitters are being exchanged, anything that is in your blood is also likely to be in your sweat, and particles of neurotransmitters in your sweat are basically covering your body and are just wafting in the air around us constantly. anyways what im tryna say is don't try to read into …
/r/RedPillWomen22/03/24 02:47 PM
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you are insinuating tho that women have to "find themselves" or "sort out their trauma" or whatever which is exactly the same mesaging : be more yourself. human relationships happen mostly by automatic and really don't require all this agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:41 PM
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i am a big promoter of being yourself in men. i think having self agency is far more important than being a high achieving person thats on the grind. men throughout history didn't try to improve themselves for women they just went to work, which was their gym, so they can eat. as a man in the past doing the bare minimum was all you needed. you see a lot of modern men minimizing and thats actually healthy, from a historical lense, the problem is the modern environment. working to survive doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:39 PM
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i am also highly skeptical of polygamy. as a guy i've seen other men try to maximize their options but its extremely rare. most guys i know are seeking monogamy i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:34 PM
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no of course women dont have viable options especially with the options they choose, the avg man has less than half the testosterone then men from 60 years ago, competing for higher pay is significantly more difficult in a workforce with more educated women than men. women are all pursuing the same men and when the men with a roster of girls dont want to be monogamous they think all men are emotionally unavailable. sexual selection is going crazy on all of us tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:20 PM
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not sure how "creating opportunities" works. 80% of men are worried of seeming creepy if they approach women. both men and women want the man to make more money in the relationship, we either need to decide that women should pursue less money or that we need to learn to be okay with men making less . i think that s where a lot of this gender war is actually coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:14 PM
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both men and women want the man to make more money in the relationship, we either need to decide that women should pursue less money or that we need to learn to be okay with men making less
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:12 PM
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hasty generalizations are always bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 12:32 PM
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everyone always goes towards introspection to answer this question “can i survive alone”. and sure you can point to hermits and shut ins and people satisfied with sexless lives. the mistake would be assuming that because you are alive you are maintaining homeostasis. living a life where you do not end up having children is not homeostasis. living a life where you have children but those children are incapacitated from continuing their genes, that is not homeostasis. the science is very clear on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/24 06:32 AM
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bold of you to assume the avg reddit user knows occams razor
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/24 10:25 AM
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ya i always suspected i was a little autistic but this made me even more convinced. maybe not idk
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:46 AM
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this is an interesting take
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:45 AM
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i've been excommunicated from a couple different friend groups because i made the girls in the group "uncomfortable" apparently. so now i have no friends and am disconnected from people i knew growing up my whole life. it doesn't sound as serious as losing your job but it caused some emotional turmoil. justin roiland (the voice of rick and morty) was accused of sexual assault, was immediately deplatformed and fired from multiple shows that he created. he was found not guilty, that there was no e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:41 AM
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this is because the avg person doesn't know the difference between connotation and notation. theres the literal definition of a word, and then theres the cultural tinge deciding if its socially acceptable or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:24 AM
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thats an extremely reductive analysis and in bad faith. it is an analogy for feeling alienated obviously. his father yells at him "if only you could understand what it is like for me"
/r/MensRights16/03/24 03:02 AM
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some women dont care if they are immoral or wrong so long as it doesn't effect them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:37 AM
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yes of course it is. people can hate you because you are a man, that absolutely happens. so does misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:35 AM
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women can murder too, and they are a whole lot worse in domestic abuse then people think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:34 AM
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im genuinely concerned by this, if something could be seens as potentially misogynistic thats grounds for a RAID on your HOME? that is a wildly disproportionate response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:33 AM
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what in the actual fuck. i would sue if this happened in america. freedom of speech bitch, right to assembly too
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:31 AM
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women have stronger in group bias, as in, whats good for all women is good for me. on the contrary men are more competitive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:29 AM
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we live in an oligarchy not a patriarchy. the people in power were not given the power because they are men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:27 AM
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it is technically important for medicine to study men and women differently, and for a long time we didn't , and often still don't. medications effect men and women differently, we have different anatomies. but ya this is just virtue signaling like always.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:26 AM
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its really a shame that its so easy to dispose of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:19 AM
2

gerbert johnson is better
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:17 AM
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i agree. legion is scuffed. i like gerbert johnssons videos tho
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/24 05:17 AM
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libel and slander are extremely serious. many women have equated the "i should be selective over who i decide to be my mate" to "i can disregard and diminish any man i wish".
/r/MensRights01/03/24 08:25 PM
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men may have the leadership positions and are the ceo's, doesn't mean that those people are in those positions because they are men.
/r/MensRights01/03/24 08:21 PM
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basically its a big long tale of nobody gives a fuck, and thats where the real loneliness comes from
/r/MensRights29/02/24 11:09 AM
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i guess u can always imagine that ur actually better than average but treated like below average.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 11:06 AM
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i think we’re all pretty much there. saw a video of gerbert johnson making a tinder account with granny photos, targeted young men and they got 100s of matches, and 90% of them agreed to give granny head. young men be desperate out here
/r/MensRights29/02/24 11:04 AM
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calling urself an empath has to be a surefire way to be narcissistic
/r/MensRights29/02/24 12:52 AM
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i dont get it
/r/MensRights29/02/24 12:50 AM
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same, im sure most of us have. main reason why i support mens rights but dont consider myself an MRA or any of the calling cards that have negative connotations because people might assume my beliefs. if we keep using these forbidden titles no one is going to listen to us.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 12:44 AM
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exactly. having to use pejoratives to slander your opponent is a great red flag that you might be a shitty person and not have any good evidence to support your claims.
/r/MensRights29/02/24 12:40 AM
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people are quick to condemn others especially when they dont think alike
/r/MensRights29/02/24 12:35 AM
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exactly. the person’s identity has nothing to do with the ideals they espouse.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:58 AM
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do women get infantry or other high mortality roles in the US military? i know like 15 years ago they definitely didnt.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:57 AM
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saw a video where gerbert johnson made a tinder account with grandma photos and asks for head, got oodles of matches with young men and basically none of them had the self respect to say no. we live in dark times.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:43 AM
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ong
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:39 AM
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if the crime is serious then accusing someone of the crime is just as serious. eye for an eye.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:39 AM
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lmao
/r/MensRights28/02/24 07:38 AM
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in group bias, what is good for all women is good for the individual. if they defend the uglies then they have solidarity.
/r/MensRights28/02/24 06:31 AM
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its in their genes to wear revealing clothing. the rape argument doesnt work imo but i do think that women should be embarassed by promiscuity. if ur going out wearing revealing clothing you are just going to repulse men. keep that shit in the bedroom.
/r/MensRights22/02/24 09:56 PM
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i think thats the thing, that women feel they are supposed to be covert in pursuing someone, and want to be treated as though you are oblivious to their intentions. they want you to help them maintain their illusion of grandiosity. men want to be direct and no bullshit but they want women to help them maintain their illusion of grandiosity as well.
/r/MensRights22/02/24 09:09 PM
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nobody simps for women more then other women tho, the in group bias is real real
/r/MensRights22/02/24 05:48 AM
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yes i totally agree in the theory that a smaller pool of socialization leads to less competition in general, for a long time actually meeting people through your family and friends was the most common way to get hitched, lots of cultures with arranged marriages for this reason. i think by trying to transcend the nature of our species we, unintentionally, dissociated oureselves from our human nature.
/r/MensRights22/02/24 05:46 AM
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eye contact=/ = i want to date you. its usually the polite thing to do when talking to someone.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 12:45 PM
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men are so desperate that it annoys women into dehumanizing them. they got a dopamine hit the first thousand times a stranger on the internet confessed their love to her and now it just feels intrusive. i saw a video where a literal grandma was asking young men to “give her head” on tinder and not a single match said no :(((( these young men are just utterly dejected, you think they are going to work hard and support their country? fuck no they hate everybody.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 12:40 PM
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yeah i had many female teachers treat me very poorly, one of them explicitly because i was a white boy. i remember the first male teacher i had had a huge impression on me
/r/MensRights19/02/24 04:09 PM
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i heard once that men have a difficult time fraternizing without being in a team environment where they compete with other teams, or something similar. something with a primary cause where socializing is secondary. that resonated with me.
/r/MensRights19/02/24 04:07 PM
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the republican women arent exactly a plus even tho theyre not feminist they are still kinda tarded
/r/MensRights16/02/24 05:53 AM
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i injured my back at work, women havent treated me the same since
/r/MensRights15/02/24 05:45 PM
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in the majority of cases abuse is mutual. not to mention mothers who are beaten by their husbands have a much higher chance of abusing their children then if they werent abused by their husband. one of the first things they do in womens shelters is separate them from their children because more likely than not she is abusing them.
/r/MensRights03/02/24 04:26 PM
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read kafka’s metamorphosis and tell me if you are okay with this fate.
/r/MensRights23/01/24 08:13 PM
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being male means people assume you are potentially dangerous and violent, that is the main impression you will give off to people. being female the main impression is that you are nice and soft. women have a higher in group bias and men are very conpetitive with each other. men can climb the social ladder by being clever or outright overpowering another man while women climb the social ladder by using alliances with other people, both with their in group (other women) and any partners she attrac…
/r/MensRights23/01/24 08:11 PM
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men are opting out for more reasons then just toxic feminism. toxic capitalism is a good reason at least here in the US
/r/MensRights20/01/24 03:42 AM
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its their in group bias
/r/MensRights20/01/24 03:25 AM
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nah not for me man. very obnoxious character and doesn’t use employ any kind of logical rhetoric. all she does is use rage bait.
/r/MensRights20/01/24 02:49 AM
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those arent rights tho you understand what im saying, public opinion and sociological phenomenon arent legal issues. it isnt coded into law that men or women have different rights besides when there is gendered language.
/r/MensRights19/01/24 01:47 PM
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i like this as a rebranding of mens rights, avoids the negative connotations
/r/MensRights18/01/24 01:08 PM
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if you say it enough it will become true. they called wolf
/r/MensRights18/01/24 01:06 PM
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um social isolation is not just about not having friends and being single. thats not all life is and teaching men this has been a huge mistake for society as a whole. more importantly social isolation is neglect from their community, neglect from their employer, neglect from their family, or neglect from the institutions of society. people are not obsessed with an isolated phenomenon, this is effecting the majority of young men. thats why we are all talking about it. most of us arent trying to b…
/r/MensRights18/01/24 01:05 PM
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ya i cringe every time i hear womens rights (as well as mens rights i think we are long overdue for rebranding). theres domestic abuse laws that are gendered in favor of women but thats the extent of the rights issues for men as far as im aware.
/r/MensRights18/01/24 12:09 PM
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this is the classic absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, with a dash of anecdotal evidence. all of these questions ask you for anecdotes and relies on them as evidence. one could perhaps make the argument it is a texas shapshooter fallacy, which is basically just cherry picking evidence and avoiding the evidence to the contrary.
/r/MensRights18/01/24 12:06 PM
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castration jokes are a red flag for me
/r/MensRights18/01/24 10:16 AM
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it all stems from people assuming men have a tendency for violence
/r/MensRights15/01/24 12:45 PM
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i usually hear something about red pill or andrew tate. heres the thing one should never give oneself over in whole to an ideology.
/r/MensRights10/01/24 04:20 PM
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i was pulled away from class without my parents knowledge to a mandatory 30 min anger management consultation, because i was being bullied by a richer kid who essentially couldnt get in trouble (it was a catholic school and they encourage you to make donations in excess of tuition) so they had to blame somebody and they blamed me. 20 years later i learned there was some kind of secret trial where they basically asked a handful of kids to watch and determine if i was a victim or instigator. their…
/r/MensRights08/01/24 07:42 PM
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defamation lawsuits are coming back into style i heard
/r/MensRights08/01/24 04:46 PM
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yea so did this guy get his job and literal intellectual properties back?
/r/MensRights08/01/24 04:45 PM
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all i think when i see this misandrist bs is damn they must have just got pumped and dumped by tyrone
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:57 AM
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slander is a word that goes in one ear and out the other. i say “less then 1% of men” or “being rich and powerful is not defined by being male, there is no patriarchy”. i try to direct the villainy towards capitalism.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:52 AM
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our government is an oligarchy not a patriarchy. villainize capitalism not men. besides WOMEN voted for these people too.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:49 AM
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less then 1% of men works for me
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:48 AM
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i prefer less then 1% of men because it stays in the same cadence as these stats made to villainize men.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:47 AM
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being a man is not the identifying feature of being rich and pwerful, being rich and powerful is.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 05:46 AM
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i once had a woman (stranger) accosted me in a busy downtown street, i was carrying groceries home. she was screaming her head off that she was a hooker and that i fucked her and rrefused to pay. she keeps following me down the street, now the narrative had switched to i had physically assaulted her, and finally that i raped her. i was very lucky that nobody took her seriously or pursued me. in some cases thats all it would take.
/r/MensRights16/12/23 10:12 AM
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can u elaborate on that oh one wise in testosterone
/r/MensRights13/12/23 02:22 PM
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no one ever became stoic without the fear of humiliation and alienation embedded in them
/r/MensRights12/12/23 12:19 AM
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its not rape its paternal deception which should be about as serious as kidnapping
/r/MensRights12/12/23 12:13 AM
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this is such an insane phrase i hate that this is what it has come to
/r/MensRights12/12/23 12:12 AM
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im not remotely in the same place financially, but i have given up on dating just because i end up feeling taken advantage of every single time. and the general culture at large celebrates women while serving to humiliate men.
/r/MensRights10/12/23 11:53 PM
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no u dont understand, men cannot squeeze out a child of their own, thats why men have always and will always be supremely invested in the authenticity of their offspring. historically this has been done through demanding monogamy, jealously defending your spouse, and the nifty little thing called the paternity test. there is nothing more important to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:24 AM
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yes that would be the demographic with the most investment in this topic so, congrats
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:16 AM
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im gonna walk u through some biology. the uterus has an expiration date somewhere around 35 years old. all the men that found older women attractive couldnt have children, only the younger women could.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:07 AM
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i dont think thats true, think maybe thats just ur own expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:00 AM
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clearly the topic here isnt referring to rape victims but rather women in general treating all men like potential predators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:53 AM
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this trauma changes the way you process information thing seems to be used as a way to dissolve responsibility for your behavior. lots of people experience trauma but are still responsible for their words and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:50 AM
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yep. been on dates where the girl is constantly looking over her shoulder, wont go anywhere that isnt highly populated, well lit, tell me some shit like she’s worried that i have friends waiting around the corner waiting to kidnap her. idk who convinced her she was so valuable as to warrant such paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:45 AM
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white people are 59% of the population
/r/MensRights14/11/23 04:59 PM
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makes sense
/r/MensRights09/11/23 03:54 PM
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all of this is accurate but we never ask what are the pressures that made women want to overwork themselves and made men want to achieve less? what does that say about what we want? are men giving up? it would seem that women should stop trying so hard but to secure their future they would rather sustain their hypergamous fantasy then adapt to the state of society (centuries of cutthroat capitalist bullshit). in the same situation men are burnt out of trying to impress women. it would seem women…
/r/MensRights08/11/23 03:30 PM
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ya its all classic bernays, societies problem is wants are more important than needs.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 04:47 PM
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nobody ever considers that people are the problem
/r/MensRights07/11/23 04:41 PM
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tinder is actively destroying the human genome
/r/MensRights01/11/23 04:09 AM
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opiates
/r/MensRights23/10/23 11:31 AM
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yes they were raised being told they could do wrong over and over again. its like their ego is just propped up by the lies their daddy told them. “you’re perfect just the way you are” “you could never do wrong” “you are the most important thing in the world”
/r/MensRights16/10/23 06:43 AM
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i dont see why we dont rebrand, MRA is a recognized pejorative at this point. gonna be very hard to even talk to people. i think the movement against circumcision might be a good banner to rally behind.
/r/MensRights11/10/23 02:51 PM
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they fear us because they dont know us
/r/MensRights11/10/23 02:44 PM
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so fucking enlightened
/r/MensRights23/09/23 05:42 PM
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oligarchy is more appropriate, capitalism is just a mode of economics
/r/MensRights11/09/23 04:34 PM
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you cant just claim something is illogical you have to show how it is illogical. looking at elected politicians and saying oh most people in power around the world are male, ergo we live in a patrarchy is fallacious BECAUSE it is an ad hoc ergo propter hoc. yes most politicians are male but that doesnt mean they ARE politicians because they are male. the defining feature that makes you a politician is a) having money and b) winning an election. you can have power in gov as a federal employee whi…
/r/MensRights02/09/23 10:57 PM
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we live in an oligarchy not a patriarchy. you dont have power just for being a man. but if you have money you have political influence immediately.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 10:51 PM
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no true scottsman dislikes barbie
/r/MensRights01/09/23 06:12 AM
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“sacred” i dont like putting it like that, sounds superstitious. if you and your SO plan on having children however sleeping around with other men at anytime around the time of the conception is a big problem, and this is the crux that woman will never understand: men dont get the certainty of authenticity by pushing out the child themselves. all we have to secure our lineage, our biological imperative, is the WORD of the women we trust. children NEED both a mother and a father, not just 1. it w…
/r/MensRights28/08/23 02:45 PM
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far too many woman suffer from alexithymia where they get frustrated because they dont have the vocabulary to express their feelings, and then at the end of the day think that its a problem with you.
/r/MensRights28/08/23 02:37 PM
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they dint realize theyre making life shittier for everyone by being pathetic symps
/r/MensRights27/08/23 07:40 PM
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an absolute fuck ton of men and women are deciding unanimously that dating isnt worth it. had a similar experience last christmas was approached by a girl and we went on a couple dates, she was way below my standards but i had just gotten out of a relationship with someone above my batting avg and they had taken advantage of me, so someone “easier” felt like it was worth it especially if it was just a fling. thats when she started hitting me with the “i love being single” and “i dont need a man”…
/r/MensRights27/08/23 07:33 PM
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ive discovered that women dont care about the truth. its all superficiality for them
/r/MensRights23/08/23 12:51 AM
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its crazy its like woman have 0 clue what its like to experience paternity deception.
/r/MensRights09/08/23 07:16 PM
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that was also my first thought, i try to play both lanes tho and give them the benefit of the doubt
/r/MensRights09/08/23 07:14 PM
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look, aside from the other answers you will get here, you have to understand that its built into male genes to protect our lineage, but we dont get the privilege of physically pushing out the baby, so without a paternity test it’s really down to what you tell him is the truth. so unfortunately lying to him about how many people you have been sleeping with is a breach of that trust. it really is that sacred of a thing to us. imagine you as a woman if you were pregnant with another woman’s child, …
/r/MensRights09/08/23 07:12 PM
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see but that absolute code of “ignore at all costs” is exactly the problem in the first place. even tho pleading with them may not work you have to be able to test your mettle and be prepared to be wrong. let avoiding sources of information that threaten our world view be their mistake.
/r/MensRights07/08/23 09:18 PM
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ya the whole thing is a perspective fallacy, which is a form of ad hominem : i am me so therefore i know about this better than you. many women make the mistake of thinking they understand more about gender than men do.
/r/MensRights07/08/23 09:12 PM
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that might be a hasty generalization. i think its mostly just an industry designed to make money.
/r/MensRights06/08/23 07:58 PM
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women rarely guess at what it’s like to have absolutely no control over your own sexual or parental destiny. everyones like “but when woman have sex recklessly they have to take care of the child” but dont realize contraceptives exist and young women are hyperaware and cautious of that danger and basically have all the sex they want before they decide to have children. which is all well and good until they start banging on about the myth of the patriarchy and play the victim. almost all women be…
/r/MensRights19/07/23 03:50 AM
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i was talking to my boss who was a woman who was so mad because the guys kept bringing their girlfriends into the company, and they just sit around and watch us do the work. she explicitly told me we’re looking for workers but please don’t bring your gf on.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 12:01 PM
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this video was kind of insulting. i got injured at work just before the pandemic, multiple herniated discs. applied for disability twice and rejected. i have no income and im fixing on spending the last i have on a gun to put in my mouth.
/r/MensRights14/04/23 01:03 AM
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i support the sentiment but you’re revealing your bias. controlling our image is just as important as consolidating our message. dont be the stereotypes that people want to see in us. personal anecdotes will only verify the oppositions anecdotes about mens rights activists.
/r/MensRights07/04/23 08:53 AM
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after feminists got the right to vote in the US they changed their antagonist from capitalism to patriarchy. i understand why so many people believe there is a patriarchy considering how many ceo’s and world leaders are male, but that would be a fallacy of composition. just because the people who own companies and run for elections are disproportionately male is not proof that men on principle of being male control the government and the economy. there are also other common features among these …
/r/MensRights04/04/23 07:49 PM
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you assume the victim is innocent until proven guilty, same as the other side. more importantly understand the difference between appeals to emotion and appeals to logic
/r/MensRights27/03/23 03:26 AM
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ur actually right in a way, fallacy of composition.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 09:32 PM
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most families are matriarchal, have been for a long time.
/r/MensRights25/02/23 09:29 PM
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i think most people live in matriarchal families. they weren't always matriarchal but since like the 80s or 90s, mothers have had supreme authority over their family. i think there's an argument to be had that peoples personal relationships are fundamentally matriarchal.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 03:17 PM
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if elected officials are mostly men, but are elected by equal representation of male and female voters, is that definitive proof that we all live in a patriarchal society? what about federal employees, like in the Department of Energy of the US? i'm sure that women are equally represented among the demographics of federal employees. Where exactly is the line that defines our government as strictly patriarchal?
/r/MensRights11/02/23 03:13 PM
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bernays' american propaganda phenomenon was based entirely on using media to bulk up a persons ego, and associating consumer products as central to peoples identities. manipulating people to be good citizens through their own sense of narcissism. they want you to think of yourself as a happiness machine. take anyones favorite tv shows and music. people decide on what media they like based on how relatable it is to them as well as what would be ideal to embellish their identity when showing other…
/r/MensRights11/02/23 02:56 PM
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my cousin had an abusive cokehead wife, she stabbed him n shit. i felt similarly after watching that video that was circulating a couple weeks ago of the girl stabbing her boyfriend multiple times in the car and then he has to jump out of the car while its moving.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 02:42 PM
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or a previous relationship, fearful attachment
/r/MensRights11/02/23 02:31 PM
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it's protest behavior, an extremely common form of manipulation used by insecure people
/r/MensRights11/02/23 02:28 PM
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i work free lance as an a/v tech, used to be every once in a while i'd get called in to help this one small company when they needed some extra hands. the company is run by these 3 ladies who have a little office where they take calls make the schedule etc, with a little bathroom down the hall. then across the street they had this shitty little storage / workshop area where all the men do the actual work and fill the orders, aren't even lights, definitely no bathroom. then when we ship all the s…
/r/MensRights11/02/23 02:17 PM
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there was this video of a cia isis interrogator where she talked about how pretty much everyone has this inner narrative where they're like the rebels from star wars, and they anthropomorphize their enemies or obstacles in life as the empire. they could kill or even use explosives and its justified because they are fighting the good fight, they are fighting against oppression. no matter what kind of horrible things they do, people have to rationalize it if they are going to get sleep at night.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 01:49 PM
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almost half the time
/r/MensRights11/02/23 01:40 PM
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i still can't wrap my head around why young women use online dating as a self esteem boost by specifically not pursuing relationships and are fine with feigning interest just long enough to get an admittance from you. manipulating people is fundemantally abusive.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 01:39 PM
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